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[00:24:46] <savagephp> !receive_override_options
[00:24:47] <knoba> savagephp: "receive_override_options" : (default: empty) - Enable or disable recipient validation, built-in content filtering, or address mapping. Typically, these are specified in master.cf as arguments for the smtpd(8), qmqpd(8) or pickup(8) daemons. See: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#receive_override_options
[00:25:14] <shasta> savagephp, not really, sorry, kinda busy
[00:25:23] <shasta> be patient, there are some postfix gurus here
[00:25:23] <savagephp> no worries
[00:26:01] <savagephp> It's just a little frustrating because the log file doesn't even tell me which test it's failing to reject the mail.
[00:28:06] <vice-versa> I had a quick look, nothing obvious jumped out at me, well not directly related to your problem at least
[00:28:46] <vice-versa> what happens if you send a msg externally too reciever at domain dot com, is it delivered?
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[00:29:51] <savagephp> Yes it is delivered.
[00:30:23] <savagephp> It's something to do with the alias expansion...like you were saying earlier
[00:31:15] <vice-versa> yes that's what I suspect too
[00:31:39] <vice-versa> there was an hour and a half between your failed and successful deliveries according to the log time stamps, did anything change in the mean time?
[00:32:08] <savagephp> No...that was just the failed example I chose to paste
[00:32:16] <savagephp> I'm still running tests and it's still failing
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[00:32:55] <savagephp> I didn't know exactly where a successful one was in the log, so I sent an e-mail to make a successful log entry
[00:34:56] <vice-versa> well what I found odd about the failed attempt was it appears to me like it used the local transport delivery agent
[00:36:27] <savagephp> hmm
[00:36:36] <vice-versa> hmm, now that I look again, I'm not sure wtf it used
[00:37:26] <vice-versa> because it lacks a table identifier
[00:38:29] <vice-versa> and show_user_unknown_table_name does not apper to be set to no in your posted config
[00:38:50] <vice-versa> postconf show_user_unknown_table_name
[00:38:55] <savagephp> What's the proper directive to use for telling postfix where to find the virtual alias map?
[00:39:32] <savagephp> root@mail:/userdata# postconf show_user_unknown_table_name
[00:39:33] <savagephp> show_user_unknown_table_name = yes
[00:39:40] <vice-versa> you're barking up the wrong tree, you already proved virtual alias expansion works
[00:40:03] <savagephp> I know...I'm just going back over steps now...see if I missed something
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[00:41:19] <vice-versa> check over your transport_maps to see if there's anything odd in there
[00:41:30] <rob0> Virtual alias expansion can be complicated, when expanding to another virtual alias, or to a name in virtual_alias_domains.
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[00:42:34] <vice-versa> hmm, unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450
[00:43:20] <vice-versa> surely it wan't local that issued the reject as it was 550
[00:44:16] * vice-versa eyeballs Postfilter
[00:45:18] <savagephp> Yes...I do have postfilter installed
[00:45:34] <savagephp> But I think it's getting killed before it hits postfilter...I could be wrong though
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[00:51:52] <vice-versa> well we could discuss the likelihood of its possible role in the this all night ... or you could remove it temporarily, postfix reload and try again
[00:52:11] <savagephp> I'm working on that right now
[01:00:49] <savagephp> Well...postfilter is the culprit
[01:00:54] <savagephp> Damn
[01:01:16] <vice-versa> Do I get a star?
[01:01:36] <vice-versa> also, what version of postfix is this?
[01:01:44] <vice-versa> postconf mail_version
[01:02:19] <savagephp> 2.2.5
[01:02:28] <savagephp> Probably old by now
[01:03:34] <savagephp> Well, I know how to work around this postfilter issue
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[01:04:03] <savagephp> I need to add the somepeople at domain dot com as a virtual user as well as define it in the virtual alias table
[01:04:32] <vice-versa> do you know why you're using hash_queue_names?
[01:05:21] <vice-versa> or is it a cut&paste from some tutorial?
[01:05:24] <savagephp> Nope...that was there from the beginning and I didn't touch it
[01:06:11] <vice-versa> distro added I guess
[01:07:02] <savagephp> Alright...well I think I got it worked out now. Thank you vice-versa
[01:07:25] <vice-versa> one other thing...
[01:07:34] <savagephp> Yes?
[01:08:08] <vice-versa> 123.123.123.0/24 in you my networks, I take it that's a forward facing subnet hence the munging?
[01:08:39] <savagephp> No...the guy that set up this network (I've taken over) set up the private network that way.
[01:09:08] <savagephp> I just haven't changed it yet because of the hassle involved.
[01:09:19] <vice-versa> O.0
[01:09:30] <savagephp> I'm working on it...give me some time
[01:09:33] <savagephp> ;-)
[01:10:09] <savagephp> That was the least of my worries when I got here.
[01:10:17] <savagephp> But anyway...
[01:10:20] <vice-versa> wtf would someone do something as stupid as that
[01:10:36] <savagephp> *shrug*
[01:10:40] <savagephp> I don't know
[01:10:55] <vice-versa> well you better hope a bot from the REAL 123.123.123.0/24 doen't find you mail server in the mean time
[01:12:08] <savagephp> Indeed
[01:12:21] <vice-versa> seeing as it's Chinese IP address space I would think it would take too long
[01:12:33] <vice-versa> *wouldn't
[01:12:35] <savagephp> *wouldn't* maybe
[01:12:37] <savagephp> heh
[01:12:53] <savagephp> I know...I'll get it soon
[01:13:13] <savagephp> Thanks again vice-versa
[01:13:22] <vice-versa> np
[01:13:27] <vice-versa> unreal, I've seen this twice in as many days
[01:13:27] * savagephp hands vice-versa a start
[01:13:39] <vice-versa> *star* maybe ;0
[01:13:41] <savagephp> and a star
[01:13:44] <savagephp> gah
[01:13:45] <vice-versa> :)
[01:13:54] <savagephp> Alright...I'm out
[01:14:02] <savagephp> later
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[02:31:44] <joren> hi, I have a postfix setup with virtual users and virtual aliases. Currently, if I have a virtual alias with the same name as a virtual user, it only delivers mail to the virtual alias. Is it possible to have postfix deliver them to both?
[02:34:58] <rob0> Sure, "man 5 virtual", alias it to both addresses.
[02:35:29] <joren> I would alias the account to itself?
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[02:40:48] <joren> oh wow, thank you so much rob0 :)  I figured that would create some sort of endless loop or something
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[05:48:09] <keanne> my ingress bandwidth is being consumed by incoming emails from our email hub in Japan, since they have a very big pipe (100Mb) and i have a very small bandwidth (768Kbps x 2), my incoming bandwidth is being congested by mostly email deliveries. Is there a way for postfix to limit it's process for a certain host? since my email is being delivered by a single mail hub? limiting smtpd processes will also affect my LAN, thus i only want to limit smtpd process
[05:48:09] <keanne> for only this mail hub
[05:48:53] <magyar> what happem to robtex, I used to be able to find info??
[05:49:03] <keanne> or is there a better way to slow down things down
[05:50:13] <magyar> move the mailserver on a batter badwith, or figure out what up with japan
[05:50:20] <magyar> better
[05:51:05] <keanne> magyar, not possible im afraid. that's about it, my 768Kbx2 is all i got.
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[05:51:41] <magyar> keanne: what are you... an email gateway?
[05:52:36] <keanne> magyar, no, just accepting emails from an email gateway.
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[05:53:22] <magyar> keanne: legit email? or general junk?
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[05:53:57] <magyar> pickcoder: make up your mind !
[05:54:12] <keanne> legit of course.
[05:54:46] <magyar> hmm. I am sure you have two choices:
[05:55:09] <magyar> a: limit bandwith by traffic shaping
[05:55:46] <magyar> b: do a grey list on hosts from Japan????
[05:56:03] <magyar> I am guessing with "b"
[05:56:31] <magyar> o.)h, or set up another MX
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[05:58:14] <magyar> keanne: that is a biatch... only 768 for an email gateway
[05:58:23] <magyar> I have a gateway with 10G
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[05:59:03] <keanne> magyar, i can only shape (Qos) outgoing smtp
[05:59:23] <magyar> keanne: why not incomming ?
[05:59:41] <magyar> incoming
[06:00:38] <keanne> magyar, I can't, unless I put up a bandwidth shaper in Japan side, then incoming smtp can be shaped. shaping incoming smtp on my side will just make things worst because data are already on the wire.
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[06:01:56] <magyar> keanne: no shit, what happen to Japan realizing a slower "transport" ?
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[06:04:37] <magyar> keanne: one other thing, postfix has a lot of limit derivatives. Do a  "postconf|grep limit" and see what they can do for you
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[06:08:38] <magyar> also, pop by during more busy time on this channel, and more "postfix perficient" guys are around that might give you better advice. I am not ax expert :(
[06:09:01] <magyar> s/ax/an
[06:09:06] <magyar> fudge!!
[06:09:19] <magyar> am out, too tired
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[06:23:14] <lunaphyte> keanne: adjust maxproc for smtpd in master.cf
[06:23:42] <lunaphyte> you'll probably have to experiment a bit to see how the sending side handles the limitation.
[06:24:49] <lunaphyte> also, make sure you are being efficient when running smtp.  there is often room for improvement in restriction ordering.  or, if the source is trustworthy enough, possibly removal of many restrictions that are otherwise being processed.
[06:25:54] <lunaphyte> lastly, look into anvil(8)
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[06:53:21] <Snewp1> maybe someone may help me here, since 3 hour, i try to find on google etc.... my postfix told me : User unknown in virtual alias table when I try to sent a mail
[06:53:47] <Snewp1> I have configured virtuadmin + dovocot + mysql +  postfix
[06:54:11] <vice-versa> !unknown_virtual
[06:54:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
[06:55:28] <Snewp1> It a mail box, any idea how I may fix it?
[06:58:16] <vice-versa> french canadian?
[07:02:30] <Snewp1> yeh :/
[07:02:59] <vice-versa> bonjour
[07:04:10] <vice-versa> I guess you should start with a postmap query to confirm the address in question
[07:04:19] <vice-versa> !postmapq
[07:04:20] <knoba> vice-versa: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined "transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" you may check this mapping by running "postmap -q domain.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" and see if it works.
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[07:08:19] <keanne> lunaphyte, yes, that's what i did first. but maxproc also effects LAN smtp sessions (outgoing smtp), unless I have 2 separate smtp for incoming and outgoing, maxproc is the way to go. i'll check anvil, thanks.
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[07:10:31] <agross> anybody here to talk to?  :)
[07:10:36] <sysmonk> nope
[07:10:44] <agross> sysmonk, how the hell are you?
[07:10:56] <sysmonk> still living
[07:11:16] <agross> same here.  haha
[07:11:48] <sysmonk> going to latvia in rand(1,15) minutes
[07:11:53] <agross> do you do the ebook thing?
[07:11:53] <sysmonk> waiting for the car
[07:12:19] <agross> is going to latvia good news or bad news?  (hopefully good!)
[07:12:29] <sysmonk> dunno yet :P
[07:12:36] <sysmonk> never been there, don't know what we're going there
[07:12:40] <sysmonk> for*
[07:12:46] <vice-versa> keanne: might be able to use check_client_access and hand them a sleep x
[07:13:11] <agross> sysmonk: is it a bigger city than where you live?  if so, it'll definitely be FUN
[07:13:16] <keanne> vice-versa, that's a good thought :) i'll check it out. thanks!
[07:13:27] <sysmonk> agross: latvia is a country...
[07:13:33] <sysmonk> just FYI :)
[07:13:39] <agross> <--- geography major.  rofl
[07:14:05] <sysmonk> dunno, haven't looked into it
[07:14:09] <sysmonk> i don't really care
[07:14:10] <agross> sorry...  just so many countries...
[07:14:21] <sysmonk> didn't find anyone responding in irc to 'anyone from latvia?'
[07:14:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[07:14:28] <agross> hehe
[07:15:08] <sysmonk> how's your new/old job?
[07:15:17] <sysmonk> what are ya working/for/on/etc?
[07:15:39] <agross> new job is going good...  I got on with Accenture
[07:15:57] <sysmonk> don't know what that is
[07:16:00] <agross> hindsight, I should've kept the old job...  it was 100% work from home.  could've done them both.
[07:16:22] <sysmonk> nice
[07:16:36] <sysmonk> i'm looking (unsuccessfully yet) for a remote part-time job
[07:17:18] <agross> check out careers.accenture.com  if you find anything that fits, send all your info to adam.gross at accenture dot com  an employee reference guarantees a first interview.
[07:17:46] <agross> do you do microsoft exchange at all?  there are a few remote exchange jobs open the last time I checked.
[07:20:21] <sysmonk> i don't do microsoft at all
[07:20:35] <agross> sysmonk:  in fact, are you a database/nix guy at all?
[07:20:46] <sysmonk> that fits me more
[07:20:57] <agross> THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!
[07:21:04] <agross> we're looking for that on MY team.
[07:21:12] <sysmonk> hehe
[07:21:14] <agross> send your resume/CV to adam.gross at accenture dot com
[07:21:33] <sysmonk> agross: better pm me, cause i'm living for latvia soonish
[07:21:45] <agross> what's your email addy?  I'll send you a reminder.
[07:22:17] <sysmonk> k, sent
[07:22:31] <sysmonk> can you also send me your job 'proposition' to make sure if i fit in?
[07:22:37] <agross> my team desperately needs a database/unix guy'
[07:22:38] <vice-versa> not to mention a good anti-uce guy now that Mr. Gross's email has been mentioned on irc ;)
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[07:22:50] <sysmonk> :)))))
[07:22:59] <keanne> hehe
[07:23:03] <agross> <--- not worried.  maybe I'm an asshole?  lol
[07:23:24] <sysmonk> nooooo, nooo... /topic
[07:23:31] <sysmonk> a bit of channel logging here
[07:23:31] <sysmonk> ;P
[07:23:47] <sysmonk> bots also like crawling those stuff
[07:24:00] <sysmonk> and not only send spam to those emails, but also use irc logs as their 'blogs'
[07:24:00] <vice-versa> indeed
[07:24:05] <sysmonk> so people would hit em
[07:24:12] <sysmonk> for, i.e. searching for 'gross'
[07:24:19] * vice-versa has planted a few seeds
[07:24:35] <sysmonk> they could find you talking here, so they'd know your nick, email, name/last name, your company name
[07:24:37] <agross> my biggest fear is the united states government.
[07:24:41] <sysmonk> hey, isn't that already enough?;)
[07:24:57] <sysmonk> agross: sure, they can know your nick from here to :P
[07:25:26] <agross> Accenture is very big on finding the best of the best, no matter where they happen to live.  I might get a recruiting bonus.  hehe
[07:25:52] <sysmonk> oh THAT's what you want
[07:25:52] <sysmonk> ;)))
[07:25:58] <agross> haha
[07:33:06] <Snewp1> Whats the option in main.cf may block me to sent email?
[07:33:53] <xpoint_dell> sent mail ?
[07:33:59] <sysmonk> Snewp1: lots of them :)
[07:34:07] <sysmonk> k, have a nice weekend, /me goes to latvia
[07:34:23] <xpoint_dell> some goes to mars :)
[07:35:12] <vice-versa> Snewp1: you still working on the same issue?
[07:36:07] <agross> snewp1:  I don't know the answer to your question, but there's a book about everything postix (http://www.amazon.com/Book-Postfix-State-Art-Transport/dp/1593270011/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220679352&sr=8-1) and IT IS AWESOME
[07:37:36] <Snewp1> vice-versa yop mate, I fixed the get mail part, but now cant sent
[07:38:43] <vice-versa> agross: first you're a hr pimp, now book whoring? ;)
[07:39:51] <vice-versa> Snewp1: pastebin the output of postconf -n and some relevant log excerpts
[07:39:54] <vice-versa> !pastebin
[07:39:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
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[07:40:20] <ribasushi> hi
[07:40:28] <ribasushi> I am looking at EXTERNAL COMMAND DELIVERY in http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html
[07:40:41] <ribasushi> and I can't figure out what determines which user is used to invoke the command
[07:40:47] <ribasushi> (currently it is nobody)
[07:41:25] <Snewp1> vice-versa http://rafb.net/p/LUK7J612.html
[07:41:33] <agross> vice-versa: on the hr pimp thing...  Accenture is an amazing company to work for.  on the book thing...  although I haven't read it cover to cover, the book has helped me greatly.
[07:42:07] <vice-versa> sure, was only j/k wit ya
[07:42:30] <agross> vice-versa: I figured as much, but explained just the same.  hehe
[07:42:40] <vice-versa> :)
[07:43:33] <agross> vice-versa: I still use spamassassin and mailscanner (for now) but I am slowly learning how to do it all with postfix.
[07:43:40] <ribasushi> deliver to command anyone?
[07:45:28] <keanne> vice-versa, thanks. im testing it now, and see if it will do wonder for my ingress traffic :)
[07:45:55] <vice-versa> yeah, should be interesting, keep us posted
[07:46:15] <keanne> vice-versa, i have set a 30 sec sleep
[07:46:52] <keanne> i think no one will even notice that lag
[07:47:24] <vice-versa> I would have started a tad lower and brought it up as need, you only want to delay them as little as possible
[07:47:55] <vice-versa> s/need/needed/
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[07:48:02] <rob0> local(8) normally delivers (and runs commands as) the user to whom the mail goes.
[07:49:09] <ribasushi> rob0: it's an alias-only
[07:49:22] <ribasushi> address:   aliased_email, |command
[07:49:41] <keanne> vice-versa, ok, but im pretty desperate right now, ingress traffic is at 98% and trafshow shows it's from our mail hub. i'll tune down later on, but now, i need the bandwidth for my other apps as well :)
[07:49:51] <ribasushi> so in this case it will always be nobody then, as there is no user to be determined
[07:50:06] <ribasushi> crapz
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[07:51:42] <vice-versa> keanne: so it's not having an affect, or to early to tell?
[07:52:38] <agross> any cigar smokers here?
[07:53:30] <keanne> vice-versa, im hoping too early to tell yet
[07:54:01] * vice-versa raises his hand
[07:54:13] <vice-versa> agross: now how you gonna get one to me? ;)
[07:55:00] <Snewp1> vice-versa u see something wrong in my .cnf
[07:55:24] <vice-versa> Snewp1: still waiting for the relevant log bits
[07:55:49] * vice-versa wanders off for tea
[07:56:27] <agross> vice-versa: probably not easily.  I tried to send a book to sysmonk recently and the shipping alone was $250US.
[07:57:49] <Snewp1> oh vice-versa, for sent mail I need to use "My server use an auth"
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[08:00:12] <vice-versa> Snewp1: so you're having sasl auth issues?
[08:08:41] <vice-versa> agross: yeah shipping can be pricey, we found a smoking deal on some new Dell servers awhile back from a colo that was liquidated but the shipping, customs and broker fees made it a show stopper
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[08:11:19] <agross> shipping from the US to just about any eastern hemisphere country is absolutely insane.
[08:12:54] <ribasushi> agross: there is no such thing as eastern hemisphere :D
[08:14:31] <agross> ribasushi: I guess it is all perspective after all, isn't it?
[08:15:15] <ribasushi> yes but I do not know what you meant: east of Greenwich or east as in east europe and beyond?
[08:15:32] <vice-versa> there is an eastern hemisphere
[08:15:46] <ribasushi> because let me assure you - shoipping US->Germany or the other way is insane too as far as I am concerned
[08:16:50] <agross> from my point of view...  east of north/south american = eastern hemisphere
[08:17:04] <agross> I thought that was "the standard" but I guess it's based on where you be.
[08:17:08] <vice-versa> umm, it's east of the prime meridian
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[08:18:10] <agross> thanks vv
[08:18:47] <agross> that has been what I've considered the eastern hemisphere so long as I can remember.
[08:19:00] <vice-versa> yup
[08:20:24] <agross> anyone here know how to take an ESXi snapshot and create it as a second VM?  :D
[08:21:50] <agross> our dns started off as mx1=mail1, and mx2=mail2.  mx1 priority 10, mx2 priority 10.
[08:22:12] <agross> I changed mx2 to priority 20 so I could take it down and "experiment"
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[08:23:06] <agross> in the course of my "experiment" I have discovered that apparently I can't create an mta/mailscanner on anything but ubuntu.
[08:23:48] <agross> I'd love to know the basic install difference between ubuntu and centos or debian.
[08:24:22] <agross> I'm far better at troubleshooting/fixing linux apps than installing them...  what gives?
[08:24:54] <agross> if it once worked and now is broken I can fix it.  if it never worked and doesn't work, I'm screwed.
[08:25:02] <agross> that makes no sense to me.
[08:25:47] <Motoko-chan> Hm
[08:25:57] <agross> exactly
[08:26:13] <Motoko-chan> Commercial with all these Apple computers. They're showing Windows.
[08:26:39] <Motoko-chan> Then they show a Dell with a really crappy "Loading" box.
[08:26:55] <agross> most recently I blew away mx2 to try and set it up on debian.  postfix/spamassassin/mailscanner install a-ok but that box for some reason can't process mail.
[08:27:17] <vice-versa> how so?
[08:27:20] <Motoko-chan> Because Debian uses ultra-old versions of stuff
[08:27:34] <agross> I'm using all testing sources for things...
[08:27:39] <agross> which are current.
[08:29:07] <vice-versa> why testing?
[08:29:42] <vice-versa> have you tried with stable releases of everything involved?
[08:29:53] <agross> because debian stable everything is OLD.  debian testing is stable for ubuntu and centos
[08:30:32] <agross> well, technically it doesn't matter.  I've downloaded source and compiled postfix, mailscanner, spamassassin, and clamav.
[08:31:47] <agross> the limited linux skills I have taught me that compiling from source is always better than installing from a package.
[08:32:24] <agross> my install steps...  if I do them on ubuntu everything works.  centos or debian, it doesn't.  that's totally weird to me.
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[08:33:41] <vice-versa> dependency issues maybe
[08:33:41] <Motoko-chan> Slackware > all
[08:33:58] <Motoko-chan> Don't forget to monitor logs.
[08:34:13] <Motoko-chan> Simple things can cause issues.
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[08:34:38] <agross> everything in the logs on ms2 is "normal" versus mx1...
[08:35:49] <agross> whatever I'm doing wrong doesn't make sense from where I sit...  PEBCAC I guess.
[08:37:03] <vice-versa> you haven't actually stated what's wrong other than "doesn't work", which is pretty vague
[08:37:08] * vice-versa wipes the dust off the crystal ball
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[08:37:51] <agross> vice-versa: I know what you're saying, except for that I have a well documented install procedure...  I follow those same steps in Ubuntu, everything works.  any other distro I've tried, fail.
[08:39:29] <vice-versa> well I've got some magic mx dust I'm letting go cheap, but the shipping is a bitch ;)
[08:40:07] <agross> tell me about it.  rofl
[08:40:42] <agross> I bought a FreeBSD book for sysmonk for less than $10US.  shipping was $250US.  I promised to send it to him and felt like a bastard when I had to tell him the shipping was FUCK NO pricing.
[08:41:26] <Motoko-chan> $250?
[08:41:40] <Motoko-chan> Where was it being sent to? Antarctica?
[08:41:44] <agross> well...  it was $236...  but close enough I say $250
[08:42:02] <agross> from USA to Lithuania
[08:42:07] <Motoko-chan> Ah.
[08:42:14] <Motoko-chan> Did you check all the major carriers?
[08:42:29] <agross> $236 was the cheapest.
[08:42:38] <agross> United States Postal Service
[08:42:53] <Motoko-chan> Hm
[08:42:53] <agross> checked also with UPS, FedEx, and DSL.
[08:42:55] <agross> DHL
[08:42:56] <agross> *
[08:43:00] <Motoko-chan> TNT?
[08:43:13] <agross> I don't think we have them in the USA.
[08:43:21] <rob0> scan it and email
[08:43:22] <Motoko-chan> We do.
[08:43:24] <agross> USPS is *always* the cheapest
[08:43:32] <Motoko-chan> I had someone from China ship me something via them.
[08:43:39] <agross> that's why I offered him my ebook collection earlier.
[08:44:05] <agross> I have 18gb of ebooks...  should be able to make it up to him, ya know?
[08:44:17] <Motoko-chan> http://www.tnt.com/country/en_us.html
[08:46:04] <vice-versa> maybe I'm just old school, but I prefer real books
[08:46:30] <Motoko-chan> I like dead paper too.
[08:46:31] <agross> There are no rates available. Please contact your local TNT Customer Services to  discuss your requirements
[08:46:33] <Motoko-chan> Um.
[08:46:35] <Motoko-chan> Dead trees.
[08:46:45] <vice-versa> that and dragging the workstation into the shitter is a major PITA
[08:47:14] <Motoko-chan> Laptops are great for that
[08:47:25] <Motoko-chan> Then you can IRC from there too
[08:47:27] <agross> in any case...  it's nearly 3am here.  I'm finally ready for bed, so to bed I shall go.
[08:47:45] <vice-versa> gnight
[08:47:57] <agross> gnight all
[08:48:05] <rob0> Priority Mail int'l, to Lithuania, 5lb. pkg $34.5
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[08:50:02] <agross> rob0:  I'm still going to bed, but thank you.  I'll get up with sysmonk to get his address again.  I'll definitely send it for that price.
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[08:51:50] <vice-versa> wtf, he sleeps with sysmonk?
[08:51:57] <vice-versa> :)
[08:52:26] <Motoko-chan> Sounds like it
[08:52:35] * Motoko-chan knows a few girls that would find it hot
[08:54:06] <vice-versa> gah, that's a mental picture I could have done without
[08:54:37] <Motoko-chan> Girls finding it hot?
[08:55:15] <vice-versa> all of it
[08:55:28] * Motoko-chan lols
[08:55:44] <Motoko-chan> The thought of two guys kissing disturbs you?
[08:55:53] <vice-versa> indeed
[08:56:12] <Motoko-chan> What about ripping out someone's heart?
[08:56:19] <Motoko-chan> Like physical violence stuff
[08:56:50] <vice-versa> naw, that doesn't do anything for me either
[08:57:18] <Motoko-chan> I'm confused.
[08:57:27] <Motoko-chan> I'm not asking if it gets you off, but if it bothers you.
[08:59:47] <vice-versa> I think having to watch a fellow human have their heart torn from their chest would disturb 99.9999% of the people
[09:03:49] <rob0> I think perhaps agross is trying to buy support with promises of gratuities.
[09:04:15] <vice-versa> hehe
[09:08:30] <cite> agross: There are a lot of excellent sources for backports, including my own repository. You can have state-of-the-art mailsystems on Debian/etch, that is not a real proble :-P
[09:09:34] <vice-versa> cite: he's long gone mate
[09:09:39] <cite> Ah damn. He'S already gone :-(
[09:13:26] <cite> I'd really like to continue some whining about how impossible it is to do real before queue content filtering with the current state of SMTP.
[09:13:38] <cite> OTOH, there are things more broken in SMTP :-P
[09:19:08] <vice-versa> if we didn't have the "current state of SMTP", we wouldn't need before or after queue content filtering
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[10:03:35] <F6F> mon
[10:03:36] <F6F> moin
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[10:05:46] <sirio> hej there
[10:06:40] <sirio> i've got a problem with my mailq.... some mails are stuck inside. and it seems this is caused by amavis/clamd, which postfix is still trying to connect to before delivery
[10:07:22] <sirio> has anyone got some hint for me how delivery can be forced withoud using amavisd-new/clamav
[10:08:11] <vice-versa> postsuper
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[10:15:13] <sirio> vice-versa: great. thanks. exactly what i was looking for
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[13:24:41] <night_wish> hi all please can someone help me to resove this problem
[13:24:49] <night_wish> here's the error message when i start my postfix
[13:25:09] <night_wish> postfix/master[10367]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 67: bad transport type: user=virtual
[13:26:58] <shasta> man 5 master
[13:27:04] <shasta> "A logical line starts with non-whitespace text. A line that starts with whitespace continues a logical line."
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[14:16:28] <Swat2> Can anyone explain to me why, when I'm using Postfix+Spamassassin+amavis as a gateway to my exchange server, I keep getting "To: undisclosed-recipients:;" in my "To" box in Exchange?
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[15:02:09] <xpoint_dell> Swat2, ask the sender
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[15:35:01] <Snewp1> my poatfix request me an auth for send mail,  Any idea how I may turn this auth off
[15:41:26] <shasta> if you connect always from the same IP, add it to mynetworks
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[16:02:49] <kexman> hello
[16:07:21] <night_wish> hi someone can tell me why i receive mail failure devlivery when i try to send a message to one of my webmail user
[16:07:31] <night_wish> here's the message i got in the hotmail box
[16:08:01] <night_wish> The mail system <anizuka at talyon dot org>: unknown user: "anizuka"
[16:08:24] <night_wish> in telnet, when i do ABC login anizuka at talyon dot org password ( LOGIN OK )
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[16:13:37] <shasta> first of all, why did you get a bounce? your postfix should reject the email in the SMTP session if "anizuka" is an unknown user
[16:13:57] <night_wish> but i have no smtp
[16:14:04] <night_wish> i'am using imap ( courier-imap )
[16:14:07] <night_wish> in my servr
[16:14:31] <shasta> oh my...
[16:15:12] <night_wish> ?
[16:15:26] <night_wish> shasta there's something wrong with my configuration ?
[16:15:47] <shasta> this is #postfix, Postfix MTA support channel
[16:16:10] <night_wish> have a look on the attached file
[16:16:18] <night_wish> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "anizuka"
[16:16:20] <shasta> but if you have no smtp, I'm afraid we cannot help you (and by the way, you can't receive emails)
[16:16:39] <shasta> postfix *is* something dealing with the SMTP protocol
[16:16:58] <night_wish> but i read in many tutorial that i can use postfix with imap
[16:17:53] <shasta> you shouldn't run a mailserver without some basic network/protocols/system knowledge, that's a sad true
[16:18:11] <night_wish> and the SMTP is for send message from server to client ! i'am using fuction send mail ( php ) instead of smtp server
[16:18:25] <night_wish> shasta i got some basic i know what smtp server is
[16:18:30] <night_wish> and what its function
[16:18:49] <night_wish> and i know that webmail can send message without smtp server, just by using function mail php
[16:18:56] <night_wish> and that works fine in my server !
[16:19:17] <cyr-> night_wish: no it cant
[16:19:54] <night_wish> so cyr- how it's possible that i'am sending right now a message from my webmail to any other mail without getting any error ?
[16:19:55] <cyr-> php function mail() uses smtp server
[16:20:29] <shasta> we have a nice suitable factoid here
[16:20:31] <shasta> !tutorial
[16:20:32] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[16:21:04] <cyr-> night_wish: your php.ini has a smtp server chosen, or you are running an smtp on localhost
[16:21:37] <night_wish> my smtp in my localhost is 'localhost'
[16:21:45] <night_wish> in my php.ini i mean
[16:22:33] <night_wish> and sending mail from my webmail to anyone else works ! i test it more than one time, what does not work, is the reverse way, sending from client to webmail
[16:25:30] <night_wish> ok thanks in anyway
[16:26:18] <shasta> I'm sorry, I cannot help you. I have no teaching skills
[16:26:48] <shasta> (and you definitely need to be taught about email basics)
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[16:29:20] <night_wish> as long as i remember stmp is handling sending mail et pop receiving mail, et the problem is the receiving mail ! not sending !
[16:31:51] <shasta> you don't remember well then
[16:32:25] <shasta> pop/imap is for *fetching* an already received email
[16:32:44] <shasta> smtp is for sending and receiving emails
[16:33:48] <night_wish> send transfer protocole is for send and receiving have you any documentation about that ?
[16:34:30] <shasta> "send transfer protocole"? what's that?
[16:34:36] <night_wish> smtp !
[16:34:41] <night_wish> send mail transfert protocole
[16:34:44] <shasta> bullshit
[16:34:47] <night_wish> lol
[16:35:03] <shasta> SMTP = Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
[16:35:30] <spreeuw> suck mail transvestite peniscontrol
[16:35:34] <night_wish> lol
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[16:51:22] <night_wish> shasta i found the error :)
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[16:59:08] <shasta> good for you
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[18:00:22] <rob0> !learn verbose as You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) master.cf, then "postfix reload" after that.
[18:00:32] <rob0> !verbose
[18:00:33] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) master.cf, then postfix reload after that.
[18:00:57] <rob0> !forget verbose
[18:01:45] <rob0> !learn verbose as You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then '"postfix reload"' after that.
[18:01:50] <rob0> !verbose
[18:01:50] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then '"postfix reload"' after that.
[18:02:00] <rob0> !forget verbose
[18:02:21] <rob0> !learn verbose as You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
[18:02:25] <rob0> !verbose
[18:02:25] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
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[18:15:42] <xpoint_dell> rob0, changes in master.cf needs stop and start not just reload
[18:16:11] <devdas> xpoint_dell: no
[18:16:22] <xpoint_dell> sure ?
[18:16:37] <devdas> yes
[18:17:09] <xpoint_dell> all versions of postfix do this ?
[18:17:31] <devdas> yes
[18:17:52] <devdas> listening to a new IP needs a restart, changing protocols needs a restart
[18:17:57] <devdas> that's IPv4 to v6
[18:19:24] <xpoint_dell> so the -v just need reload ok
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[18:33:01] <Aron> Hi everyone, I am trying to setup a debian / postfix / dovecot combination, but I must be making some silly mistake. I've got everything configured right now, but I cannot send mail to root@localhost
[18:33:11] <Aron> it seems to map to root@mymailname
[18:38:08] <devdas> sounds normal
[18:39:15] <spreeuw> Aron: I saw debian uses /etc/mailname
[18:39:53] <spreeuw> debian tears up all configs I dunno if I liek it very much
[18:40:02] <rhett_> hey, I tried to run an email server in the past, and I ran into delivery problems with AOL, hotmail, etc., like this
[18:40:03] <rhett_> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=588049&page=2
[18:40:08] <spreeuw> also got some weird defaults for other software
[18:40:19] <rhett_> I was wondering if anyone knows a guide to set up an email server that avoids those problems?
[18:40:36] <spreeuw> rhett_: get reverse dns working
[18:40:44] <spreeuw> and use a business IP
[18:40:54] <rhett_> yes, I did those things
[18:41:04] <rhett_> i think reverse dns was not correct at first
[18:41:05] <spreeuw> so why did they block you then?
[18:41:08] <rhett_> who knows
[18:41:09] <spreeuw> ah
[18:41:14] <spreeuw> you should know
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[18:41:23] <spreeuw> AOL tells you the exact reason
[18:41:23] <rhett_> no, they don't even know, that's the point of the thread
[18:41:52] <devdas> mail their postmaster/abuse desks
[18:41:58] <devdas> I know AOL responds
[18:42:07] <rhett_> ok, this was years ago
[18:42:12] <Aron> spreeuw: correct, but that's a matter of opinion :) Still does not solve my problem :)
[18:42:12] <spreeuw> they have a very good mailsystem I think
[18:42:17] <spreeuw> out of necessity hehe
[18:42:36] <Aron> I doubt this problem is debian related, it's probably just me being dumb
[18:42:37] <spreeuw> Aron: /etc/mailname determines that value
[18:42:42] <rhett_> i was wondering if there is a guide somewhere for me to set up my own mail server and do everything right?
[18:42:57] <Aron> spreeuw: afaik mailname has to be my FQDN
[18:43:19] <spreeuw> Aron: so your mail arrives
[18:43:23] <spreeuw> what is the problem?
[18:43:37] <spreeuw> that it rewrites inbound?
[18:43:51] <Aron> Not really; if I send mail locally to root@localhost, mail.log says it's being sent to root@mailname and it maps back to itself
[18:44:04] <Aron> And it seems to be saved in /var/mail/nobody
[18:44:14] <spreeuw> normally you would mail to "root"
[18:44:23] <Aron> Tried that too
[18:44:25] <spreeuw> what happens then?
[18:44:49] <spreeuw> oh yes but root doesnt recieve mail often
[18:44:59] <spreeuw> check your aliasses
[18:45:14] <spreeuw> they reroute root
[18:45:28] <Aron> root is not being rerouted for as far as I can see
[18:45:49] <spreeuw> is it on a new debian install?
[18:45:53] <spreeuw> with internet cfg?
[18:45:53] <Aron> yep
[18:46:06] <spreeuw> ok lemme check I have one here now too
[18:46:18] <Aron> Fresh install, followed the postfix + dovecot ispstyle emailserver tutorial
[18:46:26] <Aron> (on workaround.org)
[18:46:32] <shasta> !tutorial
[18:46:33] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[18:46:52] <spreeuw> # See man 5 aliases for format
[18:46:52] <spreeuw> postmaster:    root
[18:46:56] <spreeuw> hmm ;p
[18:47:07] <spreeuw> so it's not rerouted on debian I guess
[18:47:17] <Aron> shasta: no need to patronize; I do read documentation and this is not my first help line
[18:47:25] <spreeuw> maybe in virtusers
[18:47:39] <shasta> Aron, like always: pastebin unmunged postconf -n, master.cf and relevant log lines
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[18:48:08] <devdas> myorigin is $mailname, and he is sending to "root" instead of root@localhost
[18:48:54] <shasta> and appent_at_myorigin is yes? :)
[18:48:57] <shasta> append even
[18:49:36] <spreeuw> default it's no
[18:49:43] <spreeuw> on debian
[18:49:58] <spreeuw> # appending .domain is the MUA's job.
[18:49:59] <spreeuw> append_dot_mydomain = no
[18:50:06] <spreeuw> or is it another one?
[18:50:29] <Aron> It's yes here.... Could be the culprit
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[18:51:42] <shasta> spreeuw, append_dot_mydomain != append_at_myorigin
[18:53:25] <spreeuw> ok
[18:57:42] <Aron> From reading info on that parameter, it seems logical that it's the cause of this; postfix docs ask not to disable it though. So most likely another silly question: how do I send email to local users then?
[19:00:00] <devdas> aron: just make sure myorigin is in mydestination
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[19:10:50] <Aron> devdas: thanks, I am no longer getting the loop error. The mail still is being sent to the user "nobody" though :/
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[19:19:32] <shasta> Aron, pastebin logs
[19:20:42] <devdas> don't read mail as root
[19:20:48] <devdas> alias root to a normal user
[19:22:03] <Aron> shasta: at it, one moment please
[19:22:48] <Aron> main.cf: http://pastebin.com/d1d1981aa
[19:23:11] <Aron> log lines: http://pastebin.com/d639a5064
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[19:33:17] <Aron> devdas: any particular reason for that besides security? (when I forward mail from root to an external address it does work, btw)
[19:34:36] <devdas> aron: security not good enough?
[19:35:09] <Aron> devdas: it is, but I thought you mentioned it in relation with the current problem. As said, it works when I follow that suggestion, though
[19:35:24] <Aron> but still leaves me with the problem that local user mail does not seem to work
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[19:36:49] <devdas> mail to a local, non-root user
[19:37:56] <Aron> hmm that works fine. weird.
[19:38:11] <olinux> i have a couple servers on my network can i set them all to send mail thru one of the servers?
[19:38:34] <olinux> prob is i have one public ip and reverse dns check fails when the "other" machines send mail
[19:38:59] <devdas> aron: no
[19:39:10] <devdas> read up on Postfix's security model
[19:39:26] <devdas> !relayhost
[19:39:27] <knoba> devdas: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
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[19:48:28] <Aron> devdas: thanks for your help. fixed it now
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[20:01:19] <echelon> hi, how do i integrate postfix with an existing user table in a DB?
[20:02:56] <shasta> let me get my glass orb, just a second
[20:03:07] <echelon> :)
[20:03:15] <shasta> shit! i dropped it and now it's broken!
[20:03:24] <echelon> now i'll never know! :(
[20:03:26] <shasta> can't help you now, sorry
[20:03:39] <shasta> unless you provide some SPECIFIC DETAILS
[20:03:50] <echelon> it's a mysql database
[20:04:10] <echelon> and i want postfix to do all authentications based on it
[20:04:23] <shasta> define "authentications"
[20:04:41] <echelon> checking for passwords against a user?
[20:04:55] <shasta> you mean SASL authentication?
[20:05:08] <echelon> if that's what you call it
[20:05:25] <shasta> argh
[20:05:59] <shasta> once again, what kind of authentication you mean?
[20:06:01] <echelon> in other words, i don't want postfix to use the system shell accounts
[20:06:13] <shasta> now we're getting somewhere
[20:06:33] <shasta> echelon, http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[20:06:46] <echelon> just the list of users in a predefined mysql db
[20:06:55] <shasta> also http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[20:07:09] <shasta> enjoy reading :)
[20:07:17] <echelon> thanks! :)
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[20:51:17] <ivoks> hello everybody
[20:52:15] <ivoks> i have a silly question; is it possible to have both ldap and mysql backends for virtual_mailbox_maps; something like virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/foo/bar, ldap:/bar/foo
[20:52:30] <lunaphyte> certainly.
[20:53:03] <ivoks> hm...
[20:53:17] <lunaphyte> you can submit an application for additional maps, and once approved, they are available for the low price of 11.99 each.
[20:53:44] <ivoks> :)
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[21:00:40] <shasta> ivoks, sure, but first match wins
[21:01:09] <lunaphyte> unless you have your computer upside down.
[21:03:27] <ivoks> shasta: right, that's fine :)
[21:08:37] <Signum> Does anyone have an opinion on spamassassin versus dspam? I currently seem to drown in spam even though I feed spamassassin properly every day.
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[21:14:36] <lunaphyte> it's been a while, but as i recall, dspam turned me off because of the way it interfaced with postfix.
[21:15:11] <Signum> lunaphyte: all their examples seem to deal with local delivery only. but another debian developers swears it has a much better and faster detection.
[21:16:06] <Signum> lunaphyte: I just wonder what else to do. I train spamassassin. But none of the spam mails that get through would trigger any RBL I found. address verification succeeds all the time. greylisting in effect.
[21:17:13] <lunaphyte> hmm.  i know what you mean about SA.  i don't necessarily have any disparaging comments against it, but i've sort of had the sentiment that for some time now, for me at least, it seems that it isn't really doing much beyond what the basic restrictions are already doing.
[21:17:38] <Signum> Exactly. The bayesian filtering seems to be failing slowly.
[21:17:52] <Signum> Perhaps I should just buy viagra so they stop nagging me.
[21:17:59] <lunaphyte> haha
[21:18:05] <Signum> Might be a little too much for my wife though.
[21:18:19] <lunaphyte> that will just cause them to nag you more, once you admit their ads worked :p
[21:18:23] <Signum> :)
[21:18:44] <Signum> Reply... "Come on, spammer. Watch me on youporn. Do you still think I need your products?"
[21:19:02] <lunaphyte> :O
[21:20:06] <Signum> I wonder if thunderbird's spam filters would be a nice addition to the server-based spamassassin. I'm running on kmail currently that relies entirely on my x-spam-status.
[21:22:50] <lunaphyte> i'd say it's worth investigation, sure.
[21:23:29] * Signum finds out he forgot to install razor
[21:23:50] <lunaphyte> there's pyzor too, and dcc.
[21:27:05] <ivoks> fwiw, claws's bogofilter works perfectly; i haven't seen spam in inbox for months
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[23:25:13] <_evangelion> hi all
[23:25:23] <_evangelion> can someone have a look on this log error plz ?
[23:25:53] <_evangelion> http://pastebin.com/m55c14b9e
[23:28:15] <lennard> I'm guessing you're using the courier-supplied maildrop as a transport, which is (implicitly?) configured to connect to courier-authdaemond, which isnt running
[23:28:26] <lennard> you're not providing a whole lot to go on though ;)
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[23:28:52] <_evangelion> yes i'am using courrier mail drop, and courier autho deamon is running :;)
[23:29:32] <_evangelion> root 14036 0.0 0.0 4376 1028 ? S 13:58 0:00 /usr/lib/courier/courier-authlib/authdaemond
[23:30:06] <lennard> guess you may want to check permissions on the authdaemond-socket then (can the user maildrop runs as connect?), or maybe check authdaemond-logs
[23:30:40] <_evangelion> i don't know where's the auth logs
[23:30:52] <lennard> I'm not sure they even exist ;)
[23:31:08] <_evangelion> i already looked in google about auth log
[23:31:27] <lennard> really though, check the socket permissions :)
[23:31:46] <lennard> (and its parent directorie(s)
[23:33:08] <_evangelion> msqyl.sock ?
[23:33:11] <_evangelion> mysql.sock ?
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[23:34:37] <_evangelion> lennard i didn't understand what you mean by socket permission ?
[23:34:52] <lennard> authdaemond has a socket somewhere
[23:34:54] <lennard> not sure where
[23:35:39] <lennard> /var/lib/courier/authdaemon/ perhasp
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[23:40:29] <_evangelion> i found it :)
[23:41:36] <_evangelion> lennard i correct the permission
[23:41:39] <_evangelion> now i got another error
[23:41:41] <_evangelion> here is it
[23:41:44] <_evangelion> temporary failure. Command output: maildrop: Missing ', ", or `. .mailfilter(2): Syntax error.
[23:42:17] <lennard> sounds like you should check the syntax of your filter-file, or google the error
[23:42:23] <lennard> or both :)
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[23:48:06] <_evangelion> lennard ", or `. .mailfilter(2): Syntax error. mean i got to take a look on line 2 ?
[23:48:36] <_evangelion> i think it's the man page ^^
[23:48:44] <lennard> I'd guess manpage as well
[23:49:03] <lennard> although I don't think its complaining about an error in the manpage :P
[23:49:28] <_evangelion> i've take a look in my mailfilter file i didn't find the error :(
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