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[00:37:55] <uid00> ello again folks
[00:38:06] <uid00> question this time regarding TLS
[00:38:12] <uid00> it's all set up, don't worry :)
[00:38:24] <adaptr> we're waiting
[00:38:36] <uid00> i have a formmailer that auth to it, the error points towards the server though..
[00:38:46] <adaptr> logs
[00:38:56] <uid00> getting them now :)
[00:41:17] <uid00> http://pastebin.com/d5f175a54
[00:41:19] <uid00> alas here they are
[00:41:26] <uid00> now the formmailer, is phpmailer
[00:41:31] <uid00> and i am using smtp
[00:41:34] <uid00> and the user is set up
[00:41:49] <uid00> and there is no issue using the account via outlook or webmail
[00:42:00] <uid00> so it's either formmailer or smtpd/postfix
[00:43:12] <uid00> curiously i cannot telnet to the server on 465
[00:43:14] <uid00> hmm
[00:43:38] <adaptr> it's pretty fucking obvious, wouldn't you say ?
[00:43:48] <adaptr> did you actually READ those logs ?
[00:43:48] <vice-versa> which makes sense if you think about it
[00:43:53] <uid00> well now, yes...but
[00:44:06] <uid00> i don't see that error when i do it from another client
[00:44:16] <Dominian> er
[00:44:19] <Dominian> that's pretty obvious
[00:44:27] <adaptr> and that tells you...?
[00:44:31] <uid00> throw me a bone, it's well established in these parts that i'm n00b :)
[00:44:49] <uid00> i was thinking it was the mailler
[00:45:02] <adaptr> you are starved for brain ?
[00:45:07] <uid00> perhaps
[00:45:11] <uid00> i have been up for 20hrs
[00:45:12] <adaptr> you just SAID it only happens from one client
[00:45:13] <Dominian> If you require clients to use TLS/SSL.. and the mailer doesn't do TLS/SSL.. what does that tell you?
[00:45:41] <uid00> jeebus, i know but...i'm trying to get a workaround on that, by first making sure it is just the client :)
[00:46:13] <uid00> is there a way to config smtpd to allow non-ssl auth for one user?
[00:46:43] <adaptr> you want a ..workaround... to connect non-TLS to a TLS-only server ?
[00:46:45] <adaptr> fuck me
[00:46:58] <adaptr> go sleep, rest brain
[00:46:59] * vice-versa biffs a brontosaurus femur at uid00
[00:47:04] <vice-versa> so easy a caveman can do it
[00:47:04] <adaptr> start thinking tomorrow
[00:47:36] <uid00> i wanted to know if that was possibli b/c i don't want to rewrite this fekkin script
[00:47:44] <adaptr> uid00: which part of "TLS ONLY" are you having problems with ?
[00:47:51] <uid00> *sigh* i know
[00:47:55] <uid00> i was just checkin' man
[00:47:59] <adaptr> I'm guessing it's the space in between
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[00:51:39] <rob0> I know a workaround ...
[00:52:06] <rob0> ... DNAT for that client only to a non-TLS smtpd
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[00:55:22] <uid00> then shoot myself in the face with a rocket
[00:55:24] <uid00> got it
[00:55:31] <uid00> either case, win win
[00:55:37] <uid00> i hate being so n00b
[00:55:41] <uid00> one day
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[01:56:21] <pulse00> hi there. quick question: should postfix by default use /var/log/mail.log as logfile ?
[01:56:46] <rob0> !logs
[01:56:47] <knoba> rob0: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[02:00:05] <pulse00> rob0, the first command shows mail.*   -/var/log/mail.log, i assume that means logging should go there. there is no mail.log in /var/log though. i've already created one and set the permissions properly but nothing is written to it
[02:00:23] <rob0> !no_logs
[02:00:24] <knoba> rob0: "no_logs" : Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[02:00:54] <pulse00> thx
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[03:08:47] <RingtailedFox> hiya... my friend and i are having a rather annoying issue with postfix... when we try to tell it to use a certain SMTP server, it times out with this error:
[03:08:47] <RingtailedFox> Aug 31 20:02:06 myobu postfix/error[5322]: 5AD6515653F: to=<metaleopard at gmail dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.08, delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[209.85.201.114]:25: Connection timed out)
[03:10:58] * vice-versa releases the hounds
[03:11:40] <RingtailedFox> eep
[03:11:59] <vindex> is there anyway to limit the amount of information sent in postfix error delivery replies?
[03:12:55] <vice-versa> RingtailedFox: when you say 'we try to tell it to use a certain SMTP' are you doing this via a transport map?
[03:14:02] <RingtailedFox> it's a program using postfix from PHP
[03:14:21] <RingtailedFox> using a local smtp server
[03:15:55] <vice-versa> can you relay to other hosts?
[03:17:02] <RingtailedFox> we have no other hosts to relay to. the commercial servers seem to be refusing it... does it need to be done through SSL or something similar?
[03:17:44] <vice-versa> no, sounds like port 25 might be blocked
[03:18:10] <vice-versa> can you telnet to 74.125.79.114 on 25?
[03:18:14] <RingtailedFox> my pal's checking if port 25's blocked
[03:18:21] <vice-versa> telnet 74.125.79.114 25
[03:18:27] <RingtailedFox> what server is that?
[03:18:39] <RingtailedFox> he's on ubuntu server 8.04. would putty suffice/
[03:19:14] <vice-versa> that's the one from your log excerpts you pasted into the channel
[03:19:43] <RingtailedFox> that's a bit n-o on connecting via port 25
[03:19:45] <RingtailedFox> ok.
[03:20:24] * vice-versa tries to translate
[03:20:33] <RingtailedFox> hmm?
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[03:20:48] <RingtailedFox> is it possible to change which port postfix operates on? such as to port 2345?
[03:20:57] <vice-versa> so you're saying it's a No Go on the telnet to 74.125.79.114 on 25?
[03:21:00] <RingtailedFox> yah
[03:21:24] <vice-versa> I take it the is on a residential broadband service
[03:21:33] <RingtailedFox> yes.
[03:21:40] <vice-versa> !relayhost
[03:21:41] <knoba> vice-versa: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[03:22:04] <vice-versa> set that to your ISPs smtp server
[03:22:20] <RingtailedFox> he's doing that now
[03:23:12] <RingtailedFox> !saslclient
[03:23:13] <knoba> RingtailedFox: "saslclient" : See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl when you need client-side SASL authentication to deliver mail to another server
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[03:35:36] <RingtailedFox> testing to see if that works...
[03:37:08] <vice-versa> you may have to delete or requeue the previous attempts that are still sitting in your deferred queue
[03:37:49] <vice-versa> either way, it's done using postsuper
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[04:09:49] <RingtailedFox> brb
[04:11:54] <RingtailedFox> back
[04:12:19] <vice-versa> any joy?
[04:13:27] <xpoint> postfix will try it self even if no fool is behind the root login :-)
[04:20:09] <RingtailedFox> lol
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[04:35:03] <Haris> Can we add/remove headers with postfix?
[04:36:48] <vice-versa> yup
[04:37:57] <rob0> Can we remove headers that haven't been added yet?
[04:38:54] <vice-versa> depends on how much pixie dust you're willing to part with
[04:43:05] <vindex> thats something i wanted to know too
[04:43:17] <vindex> i want to remove the mail agent header of all outgoing mail
[04:43:45] <vice-versa> is it really that embarrassing?
[04:44:17] <vice-versa> anyhow, see IGNORE & PREPEND in http://postfix.org/header_checks.5.html
[04:45:05] <vindex> yeah, I use Pine all way around
[04:45:17] <vindex> so embarrassing i considered moving to mutt
[04:45:30] <vice-versa> ahh, makes sense now ;)
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[04:52:17] <srdan_> Hi, I'm getting a lot of backscatter email on my account, how can I be sure that these are replies to forged emails coming from other servers and that it wasn't my server sending the mail? Or that it isn't a compramised server on my local network?
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[05:11:42] <vice-versa> srdan_: by examining the headers
[05:12:47] <vice-versa> !backscatter
[05:12:47] <knoba> vice-versa: "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
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[05:57:39] <uid00> howdy folks
[05:57:44] <uid00> i wonder if anyone is still up :)
[05:57:50] <uid00> still have some problems here
[05:57:58] <uid00> so i had, what I thought, was a newly working mail serv
[05:58:07] <uid00> i go to test out another user account
[05:58:15] <uid00> using their login/uid - cannot send :<
[05:58:17] <uid00> now what
[05:58:37] <uid00> says ssl connections not supported..
[05:58:48] <uid00> i did not get this error on the previous account
[05:59:37] <ek> uid00: What port are you trying to send mail through?
[05:59:44] * vice-versa rolls over, vents some gas and goes back to sleep
[05:59:49] <uid00> hehe
[05:59:50] <ek> uid00: Also, are you sure you're connecting to the same server?
[05:59:53] <uid00> yeah
[06:00:03] <uid00> i was trying to go to 465
[06:00:11] <uid00> i just took that off and it went out smoothly over 25
[06:00:18] <uid00> so, that reallyd oes say ssl is not on/on right
[06:00:20] <ek> uid00: What does your Postfix's master.cf file have for port 465?
[06:00:29] <uid00> but i swears, it was doing it fine on 465 for my other account
[06:00:30] <uid00> wtf
[06:00:54] <ek> uid00: Keeping 465 enabled will not interfere with 25.
[06:00:59] <ek> You can leave them both enabled.
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[06:01:06] <uid00> i don't know what's going on then
[06:01:13] <uid00> this shit was working fine for my other account :(
[06:01:21] <uid00> i just was testing with another user then this
[06:01:25] <ek> uid00: Is it still working fine for the other account now?
[06:01:26] <uid00> jeez, i hate this so much
[06:01:30] <uid00> i'm going to try that now
[06:03:45] <uid00> yeah, no f'n issue with the other account over 465
[06:03:48] <uid00> wtfff!!
[06:04:11] <uid00> i thought i was home free.
[06:04:13] <uid00> good god
[06:04:50] <uid00> on another note
[06:05:33] <uid00> while my mail.domain.com now points to a server...if i just use domain.com as the mail(smtp) to connect to, it connects me to older server
[06:05:38] <uid00> that's even more messed up
[06:05:42] <uid00> *sigh*
[06:07:52] <uid00> has to just be propagation issue
[06:07:54] <uid00> has to
[06:07:58] <uid00> but christ this is frustrating
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[06:10:31] * vice-versa guesses mail.domain.com and domain.com have different A records
[06:11:36] <uid00> yes
[06:12:03] <vice-versa> makes perfect sense then
[06:12:45] <uid00> not following ya
[06:13:24] <ek> uid00: You need to adjust the MX record for domain.com.
[06:13:38] <ek> Otherwise, the default MX will point to the respecting A's.
[06:13:40] <uid00> in what way? it already has ip of new mail serv
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[06:13:51] <uid00> i mean, this was supposedly simple
[06:13:57] <ek> uid00: It is.
[06:14:04] <uid00> i have mail.server.com, server.com --> same IP
[06:14:09] <uid00> now i have mail.server.com --> new IP
[06:14:13] <uid00> that's what's been done :)
[06:14:14] <ek> Right.
[06:14:19] <ek> Oh. Propagation issue then.
[06:14:21] <uid00> it was done last friday
[06:14:25] <ek> Whoa!
[06:14:29] <ek> Wait... 2 days ago?
[06:14:31] <uid00> yeah
[06:14:34] <ek> Ah.
[06:14:38] <ek> Somewhat normal then.
[06:14:45] <uid00> ok, that's what I wanted to hear :)
[06:14:49] <ek> Any more than 3 days I would extremely worried though.
[06:14:53] <vice-versa> what's the domain?
[06:14:55] <ek> I'd be somewhat worried now.
[06:14:59] <uid00> one-planet.net
[06:15:02] <uid00> mail.one-planet.net
[06:15:27] <ek> I get different replies for both.
[06:15:35] <uid00> btw, i logged back in as the user, no smtp issue this time..
[06:15:39] <uid00> it should be different ip's
[06:15:44] <ek> Yeah. Different.
[06:15:45] <uid00> mail.server.com --> is at a new server now
[06:15:55] <uid00> server.com is the original
[06:15:56] <ek> Makes sense.
[06:16:01] <uid00> cool
[06:16:04] <uid00> alrighty
[06:16:09] <ek> Did you set up the MX record to use the new one before the old one?
[06:16:21] <uid00> not sure what you mean
[06:16:25] <uid00> i just moved them when I was ready
[06:17:34] <ek> Not using the old one for anything then?
[06:17:41] <ek> Just moving the mail server from one location to the other?
[06:18:03] <uid00> as it turns out, no
[06:18:16] <uid00> the mailer script on the old system i cannot update
[06:18:19] <uid00> to use smtp
[06:18:45] <uid00> so long story short, i am using a different domain to point to OLD system, keeping the old server online for a few more days while i get it fixed
[06:19:01] <uid00> mail.server.com --> new system, mail.server.us, to old system
[06:19:03] <uid00> god i hope
[06:19:05] <ek> Makes sense.
[06:19:21] <ek> Yeah. There are no MX records for the domain at all.
[06:19:29] <uid00> which domain?
[06:19:35] <uid00> .net has them
[06:20:08] <ek> Wait. Yes there is.
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[06:20:20] <ek> mai.one-planet.net is the only MX.
[06:20:27] <ek> Sorry. Was using one-planet.com... DUH.
[06:20:56] <ek> However, mail.one-planet.net doesn't have an MX. :)
[06:21:06] <uid00> well duh :)
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[06:21:52] <uid00> so, i'm off to move some files around, hopefully no more running in hear with my hair on fire
[06:21:56] <uid00> thx again guys
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[09:40:02] <Haris1> Hello guys
[09:40:07] <Haris1> I lost the answer, so I'm asking again
[09:40:17] <Haris1> Can postfix manipulate headers for incomming/outgoing emails?
[09:40:31] <Haris1> add, remove, change values in mail headers ?
[09:41:39] <xpoint> yes
[09:42:24] <xpoint> yes
[09:42:34] <xpoint> 2 ? then 2 yes :=)
[09:43:03] <Haris1> great. This is for a bulk mailing server I want to setup for someone
[09:43:26] <xpoint> bulk not spam ?
[09:44:24] <xpoint> more or less should run with mailman then
[09:44:58] <xpoint> that way user can get of the bulk olso
[09:45:32] <xpoint> but then its not possible to make personal buik mails
[09:46:00] <xpoint> unless its a maillist pr user :)
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[09:52:05] <Haris1> not spam
[09:52:52] <Haris1> its an inhouse mail server. One user will have multiple domains, with a list of email addresses he wants to send mail to. This server will do the job
[09:53:06] <Haris1> I'm looking for a decent web based bulk email solution to setup with the mail server
[09:53:50] <Haris1> in which email addresses can be input via excel files
[09:54:46] <xpoint> mailman
[09:55:30] <Haris1> I'm thinking of postfix + mysql + bulk email solution + bounce management
[09:55:34] <Haris1> I'll look into mailman
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[09:56:28] <Haris1> Can postfix throw 20K mails in 1 hr ?
[09:56:45] <sysmonk> hell yes :)
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[09:57:41] <sysmonk> if resources are good, and connectivity is good, and remote servers are reachable and functioning normally - it can deliver that in a few minutes
[09:58:51] <Haris1> on PIII, 80 GB SCSI 10K hard drive, 1 GB RAM
[09:59:21] <sysmonk> in 1h - sure, if your connectivity is good and remote servers are responding normally
[09:59:40] <sysmonk> some servers like yahoo can throttle you, so the mails will stay in the queue for some time
[09:59:49] <sysmonk> but that's not a postfix issue
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[10:02:53] * vindex confiscates Haris1's assets for spam@fbi.gov
[10:04:11] <Haris1> average connectivity to US 280ms
[10:05:18] <Haris1> incomming can be clustered. Can outgoing be clustered?
[10:06:48] <f3ew> by domain, yes
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[10:44:51] <Haris1> in bulk mail sending scenario, how would I have for example 5 computers divide the email queue between them for sending out?
[10:45:53] <f3ew> transport_maps?
[11:01:53] <_ruben> add a loadbalancer?
[11:02:47] <sysmonk> f3ew: how about relayhost with a host which has 5 equall weight mx records
[11:03:24] <f3ew> sysmonk or that
[11:03:46] <f3ew> since it's just 20000 messages/hr, he could just use one host and a faster network
[11:03:54] <sysmonk> yeah
[11:04:05] <sysmonk> i did tell him postfix can handle 20k msg / hr just fine
[11:04:14] <sysmonk> but it's all about his network connectivity in this case
[11:04:18] <Roobarb> or nor send them, and save my relays some rejection cycles :)
[11:04:26] <sysmonk> haha
[11:05:12] <Roobarb> toying with adding SPF checks to them today
[11:12:16] * sysmonk toying with cache-poisoning Roobarb dns servers and giving false SPF records for ebay, paypal and so on
[11:12:44] <f3ew> why?
[11:12:46] <f3ew> change the MX
[11:12:53] <f3ew> or the A record
[11:13:28] <Roobarb> sysmonk: you need ot know where my dns servers are, do do that...
[11:15:01] <sysmonk> like, sending you an email and sniffing the dns requests to see which server looked at my ptr record?
[11:15:53] <Roobarb> you need to know my email address to do that ;)
[11:16:24] <sysmonk> Roobarb: hey, i have some great naked pics, gimme your email i'll send em to you :P
[11:16:57] <Roobarb> sure, its billgates at microsoft dot com
[11:17:07] <sysmonk> Roobarb: liar! that's my email
[11:17:12] <Roobarb> rumbled
[11:18:31] <Roobarb> either way, I don't run bind on my relays, so your attacks will be useless ;)
[11:18:56] <sysmonk> Roobarb: FYI, that wasn't bind issue, most dns servers are affected
[11:19:39] <Roobarb> true
[11:19:52] <sysmonk> anyway, back to work
[11:19:58] <sysmonk> drive failed after 8 years of serving
[11:20:00] <sysmonk> ;/
[11:20:02] <Roobarb> ack
[11:20:06] <Roobarb> enjoy
[11:20:06] <sysmonk> er, didn't fail YET
[11:20:11] <sysmonk> but it's in the process of failing :)
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[11:20:34] <sysmonk> and no, there is no raid there ;P
[11:20:36] <Roobarb> new drive + restore from backup?
[11:20:59] <sysmonk> CPU: Intel Pentium III (746.15-MHz 686-class CPU)
[11:21:08] <sysmonk> don't think so
[11:21:28] <sysmonk> it'll be cheaper to buy a new server (electricity wise)
[11:21:39] <mjauu> hi guys, I don't understand what this means; will I break postfix if I uncomment this? #mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail
[11:21:40] <sysmonk> but i'm migrating it to a jail on another server
[11:21:50] <f3ew> !mailbox_command
[11:21:52] <knoba> f3ew: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[11:22:22] <mjauu> oh dear.. this world of mail is completely new to me I guess
[11:22:45] <mjauu> so right now, the LDA is postfix.
[11:22:48] <mjauu> right?
[11:23:08] <sysmonk> lda is postfix's local(8)
[11:23:12] <sysmonk> or virtual(8)
[11:23:24] <mjauu> so if I change to using procmail instead, what do I need to config?
[11:23:32] <mjauu> s/config/configure/
[11:23:37] <sysmonk> (but virtual(8) doesn't use mailbox_command, so if you're using it - it won't change anything)
[11:23:43] <mjauu> oh
[11:23:56] <sysmonk> by default it uses local(8)
[11:24:11] <mjauu> but if I'm using /etc/postfix/virtual, am I using virtual?
[11:24:36] <mjauu> (or are those two separate? I might've read that they are somewhere..)
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[11:27:11] <razym> hello, #postfix
[11:27:34] <razym> i have officially installed postfix from ports for freebsd 7.1 pre-release
[11:27:39] <razym> is there anything i should know?
[11:28:00] <Roobarb> yeah,   this:   -->       <--      isn't 6 inches
[11:28:05] <Roobarb> (sorry)
[11:28:20] * Roobarb feeling bored
[11:28:25] <mjauu> ...
[11:28:26] <mjauu> :>
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[11:28:45] <Roobarb> razym: in what context?
[11:29:04] <razym> security advisories, tips, anything in the like
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[11:29:25] <mjauu> oh well, here goes, if things break I'll blame all you guys :>>
[11:29:27] <razym> oh, when generating an SMTP ssl certificate, does common name have to match the hostname or the domain name?
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[11:32:02] <sysmonk> razym: it has to match the hostname to which your clients will be connecting
[11:32:13] <razym> meaning the domain name in apache
[11:32:14] <sysmonk> razym: nothing really to know, just update your ports
[11:32:27] <razym> www.domain.com in that case
[11:33:23] <mjauu> sysmonk: sorry, don't want to nag you, but.. do you think they're separate, or does the fact that I'm using /etc/postfix/virtual mean I'm using virtual(8)?
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[11:33:46] <sysmonk> nope
[11:33:55] <sysmonk> you can have virtual domains delivering to local users
[11:34:10] <mjauu> sysmonk: ok, thanks :>
[11:34:14] <sysmonk> if you use virtual_mailbox_{domains,maps) then you're using virtual(8)
[11:35:13] <mjauu> ah, I see
[11:35:24] <mjauu> ok, I'm not.
[11:35:32] <mjauu> stand back everyone, I'm going to try science!
[11:35:33] <mjauu> :D
[11:36:33] <razym> stand back
[11:36:37] <razym> i know regular expressions
[11:37:32] <mjauu> hehe
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[11:38:29] <razym> in other news
[11:38:37] <razym> anyone know where i can find a good freebsd guide for postfix?
[11:38:41] <razym> or a generic guide
[11:39:02] <razym> after 3 restless nights of compiling, glueing code together, and keeping my dedi up with duct tape
[11:39:05] <razym> i gave up on sendmail
[11:39:13] <razym> i was hoping postfix could help
[11:39:40] <mjauu> well
[11:39:48] <mjauu> giving up on sendmail was probably a good idea
[11:40:04] <mjauu> but that's about all I can tell you, except from asking google
[11:40:08] <razym> what gave you that idea?
[11:40:15] <mjauu> basically
[11:40:17] <razym> is it that it uses a codebase from 15 years ago? :p
[11:40:31] <mjauu> the 80's called, they want their mail program back :>
[11:40:35] <razym> lol
[11:40:45] <razym> i also had a choice of using that other mta
[11:40:47] <razym> epix?
[11:40:48] <razym> ...no
[11:40:51] <razym> forgot the name
[11:40:56] <mjauu> e-somehting
[11:41:02] <razym> it will remain unnamed?
[11:41:06] <mjauu> packaged with debian
[11:41:11] <mjauu> exim
[11:41:12] <mjauu> that's it
[11:41:19] <razym> OH GOD
[11:41:25] <mjauu> haha, what?
[11:41:32] <mjauu> giant spiders everywhere?
[11:41:33] <mjauu> :>
[11:43:17] <razym> everywhere.
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[12:46:25] <Haris1> looks like people just came back from watching Starship troopers
[12:46:33] <Haris1> s|ck!
[12:46:35] <Haris1> movie
[12:47:28] <f3ew> So have you earned your citizenship yet?
[12:53:19] <razym> cant find a good postfix guide
[12:53:20] <razym> sigh.
[12:53:46] <sysmonk> razym: guide for what?
[12:55:20] <razym> setting up postfix on freebsd
[12:56:57] <f3ew> razym with what requirements?
[12:56:59] <f3ew> !basic
[12:57:00] <knoba> f3ew: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[12:57:01] <f3ew> !standard
[12:57:02] <knoba> f3ew: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[12:57:07] <razym> requirements... hm
[12:57:28] <razym> plug and play configuration would be awesome :p
[12:57:41] <razym> tbh, just to send registration emails via phpmail()
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[12:59:18] <f3ew> See the first link
[12:59:32] <f3ew> It _is_ pretty much plug and play
[12:59:33] <strummula> hello
[12:59:39] <strummula> need an hint: a dude is trying to send me a mail. My postfix reply to him "550 no rdns entry for 111.222.111.111"
[12:59:40] <f3ew> you don't _NEED_ a howto :P
[12:59:42] <razym> no way.
[12:59:44] <razym> awesome.
[12:59:49] <f3ew> wai!
[13:00:33] <strummula> how can i disable reverse dns lookup to let the mail pass through?
[13:00:45] <f3ew> strummula, reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname triggers it, the dude setting up rDNS would work
[13:00:53] <f3ew> Use check_client_access
[13:01:11] <shasta> how did you enable it in the first place? :-P
[13:01:16] <f3ew> See man 5 access for the syntax, put the statement before the reject_unknown ...
[13:01:37] <strummula> f3ew: thanks
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[13:04:09] <randra> anyone one here know where i can find a best way to make a perfect mail-server with postfix, using some 'addons' mailwatch, policed, spf, vacation,quota, spamassassin, mysql
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[13:05:13] <shasta> in the docs
[13:06:31] <randra> fantastic answer shasta
[13:06:40] <dragonheart> by defining your requirements and meeting them
[13:07:08] <randra> these steps follow a order?
[13:07:19] <randra> actualli i`m using qmail
[13:07:52] <dragonheart> good luck getting lots of features there
[13:08:25] <strummula> f3ew i don't have reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname row
[13:09:11] <shasta> "550 no rdns entry for ..." doesn't look like a standard postfix reply
[13:09:19] <randra> dragonheart tks
[13:10:06] <f3ew> randra there is no single BEST way
[13:10:50] <xming> my way is the bet way :D
[13:10:57] <xming> s/bet/best
[13:12:24] <sysmonk> f3ew: there's also no such thing as PERFECT :)
[13:12:48] <sysmonk> i'd offer hare_krishna for randra
[13:13:02] <dragonheart> there is - you just need low expectations
[13:13:21] <f3ew> postfix stop
[13:13:27] <sysmonk> dragonheart: tell that to my customers :)
[13:13:34] <sysmonk> they're all expecting something unreal
[13:13:42] <f3ew> the solution to all email problems
[13:13:44] <f3ew> poweroff
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[13:13:54] <f3ew> the perfect solution to all computer problems
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[13:14:17] <sysmonk> except a problem when you can't power on the computer ;(
[13:14:31] <dragonheart> damn customers
[13:14:33] <sysmonk> like... my laptop died last friday :(
[13:15:49] <f3ew> poweroff <====
[13:15:53] <f3ew> sysmonk damn
[13:16:03] <f3ew> dragonheart, all users suck
[13:16:23] <sysmonk> but  you love some of female-users who suck...
[13:16:24] <sysmonk> ;)
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[13:33:29] <f3ew> sysmonk, not mine
[13:33:37] <f3ew> Some just suck less
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[13:47:07] <randra> xming ur way is best way? hehe
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[13:48:34] <xming> randra: of course, I never disagree with myself, and find my way the best way for me :D
[13:50:20] <Broken|work> guys, I have an incoming mail server that takes like a 1000 concurrent connections , how much memory would postfix need for such setup ?
[13:51:09] <Broken|work> I am using rbl, rhsbl and postfix-policyd
[13:52:00] <Roobarb> "some"
[13:52:07] <Roobarb> how much ram do you have?
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[13:58:21] <Broken|work> Roobarb: currently, 1GB , but it's vm, I can add  more memory, I just need to figure out how much
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[13:59:06] <f3ew> Broken|work, you will block on disk
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[14:00:24] <f3ew> but basically
[14:00:25] <f3ew> [root at jaundiced-outlook dot mailhostingserver.com ~]# free -m
[14:00:25] <f3ew>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[14:00:25] <f3ew> Mem:          2007       1782        225          0         69        526
[14:00:25] <f3ew> Swap:         1992        109       1883
[14:00:36] <f3ew> 700 concurrent connections and a nameserver
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[14:01:15] <sysmonk> aha! mailhostingserver.com :)
[14:01:25] <Broken|work> f3ew: actually, i/o is fine, but I am seeing a huge memory usage and heavy swaping
[14:01:46] <f3ew> yes
[14:01:58] <f3ew> What do you need@ sysmonk ?
[14:02:23] <sysmonk> nah, noffin
[14:02:24] <Broken|work> is there a speacial configurations for this type of setups ?
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[14:04:00] <mjauu> Broken|work: did you try increasing the amount of memory available to the VM?
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[14:04:36] <f3ew> Broken|work top is your friend
[14:04:39] <f3ew> sort by memorty
[14:05:16] <Broken|work> mjauu: I went up to 2 gigs, more then this I would need a new host , so I need to know how much ram should I ask for
[14:06:02] <Broken|work> f3ew: htop is more friendly, most memory is taken by smtpd processes
[14:06:30] <f3ew> Broken|work, do you have a bunch of regexp checks?
[14:06:34] <f3ew> or large maps?
[14:06:42] <f3ew> (maps are shared)
[14:07:23] <mjauu> f3ew: why would one do regexp checks on mail? also, what's a map? (curious, that's all =)
[14:07:34] * mjauu is kind of new to the mail world..
[14:07:40] <Broken|work> f3ew: nop, one small regex
[14:07:48] <sysmonk> Broken|work: on what?
[14:09:27] <f3ew> mjauu, spam checking?
[14:09:31] <mjauu> ah
[14:09:56] <mjauu> wouldn't that be very resource intensive to do spam checking with?
[14:09:56] <f3ew> mjauu a map is Postfix terminology for a lookup table.
[14:10:14] <mjauu> f3ew: ah, like the /etc/postfix/virtual table?
[14:11:04] <f3ew> mjauu, used correctly, not too bad
[14:11:08] <f3ew> mjauu right
[14:11:12] <mjauu> =)
[14:11:14] <mjauu> cheers
[14:11:25] <f3ew> Postfix uses two types of lookup things
[14:11:54] * mjauu is all ears
[14:12:04] <mjauu> (or eyes.. =)
[14:12:08] <f3ew> a list (see mydestination or mynetworks or virtual_mailbox_domains, etc), and maps, which are key = value pairs
[14:12:25] <f3ew> Some lists are constrained to be single valued, like myhostname
[14:12:55] <Broken|work> sysmonk: mydestination = regexp:/etc/postfix/open.cf
[14:13:01] <f3ew> If what you are looking at is a list, the existence of the key is checked
[14:13:03] <sysmonk> o_o
[14:13:18] <f3ew> If it is a table, then the stuff on the right hand side is important
[14:13:30] <sysmonk> Broken|work: can i ask why you've got that one?
[14:14:29] <sysmonk> and what regexp is inside
[14:14:31] <f3ew> This is important when you move from flat files to databases
[14:16:18] <mjauu> f3ew: what would a flat file be?
[14:16:19] <Broken|work> sysmonk: I have a custom transport_maps daemon that returns a transport map based on the user name, this is just an open regex /.*/    Ok , for some reason I things didn't work correctly without it
[14:16:43] <mjauu> f3ew: like /etc/postfix/virtual again?
[14:18:01] <f3ew> yes
[14:18:23] <mjauu> :>
[14:21:40] <mjauu> would anyone in here be able to recommend a book of some sort? I mean, like a general introduction to the email protocol?
[14:21:57] <f3ew> mjauu, RFC2821
[14:22:09] <f3ew> There isn't a book yet
[14:22:24] <mjauu> hm, I see
[14:22:29] <mjauu> I should write one then :>
[14:22:37] <f3ew> heh
[14:22:47] <f3ew> There's a reason I said _yet_ :P
[14:23:01] <mjauu> :>
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[14:35:49] <sega01> i have postfix working nicely with SPF and dovecot for authentication
[14:36:12] <sega01> however, a nonauthenticated user can send email as user@$mydomain to anotheruser@$mydomain via the server
[14:36:20] <sega01> any suggestions on how to change this?
[14:36:36] <sega01> my other idea is to restrict users to only send from the account that they authenticated as
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[14:36:52] <sega01> so that sega01@$mydomain cannot send as root@$mydomain; only sega01@$mydomain
[14:37:01] <dragonheart> good idea
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[14:52:57] <jstrom> im trying to set smtpd_client_restrictions via master.conf, but i want to have the option 'check_client_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/access-servers', but then it complains on spaces.. how would i get around this?
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[14:55:16] <jstrom> oh , worked fine :)
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[14:55:48] <f3ew> s/ /,/
[14:58:22] <jstrom> yeay
[14:58:23] <jstrom> yeah
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[16:06:19] <puttyk> gentlemen, I am using sqlgrey to greylist and I was wondering if I can exclude some addresses on a domain from being greylisted, so those recipients do not experience delays ?
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[16:07:03] <sysmonk> puttyk: check out it's tables
[16:07:12] <sysmonk> there are 2 tables for whitelisting afair
[16:07:15] <sysmonk> just don't remember which
[16:08:50] <puttyk> yes, one is the sender addy with the IP, the other is the sender domain with the IP, neither helps me whitelist based on my local recipients
[16:09:27] <puttyk> I was thinking maybe I can solve this with access restrictions but I seem unable to wrap my head around it
[16:09:39] <puttyk> :)
[16:10:27] <sysmonk> sure you can. you can use restriction classes for this
[16:10:33] <rob0> check_recipient_access
[16:13:21] <puttyk> ahh right
[16:13:39] <puttyk> ok I got it, I just needed a little nudge
[16:14:38] <puttyk> I made two restriction classes called greylisting and nogreylisting, and it seems to work like a charm
[16:14:48] <puttyk> thank you both
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[17:10:38] <sup3rfly> hi
[17:11:24] <sup3rfly> why is the smtp_helo_name not showing up on the 250 response to a client?  it's showing my server's hostname, which I do not want broadcasted
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[17:19:34] <f3ew> that's because smtpD uses the value of myhostname
[17:19:43] <f3ew> (which it is supposed to do, from the RFC)
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[17:47:53] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd
[17:47:53] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
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[17:57:12] <Zonei> Hi. I need some help, I'm wondering if I can configure the period of master daemon issuing mail pickups?
[17:59:13] <f3ew> !master
[17:59:14] <knoba> f3ew: "master" : http://www.postfix.org/master.5.html
[17:59:23] <f3ew> see that
[18:00:02] <rob0> or master.8.html ? Or maybe even pickup.8.html ?
[18:00:52] <rob0> If it's pickup(8), I don't think there is an interval, it just checks for activity in the maildrop directory.
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[18:01:34] <sysmonk> rob0: what about wakeup param in master.cf ?
[18:01:50] <Zonei> rob0: yes but that activity is logged every minute and along with all other processes trying to log stuff makes the disc spinning all the time, and I'm on a witch hunt to kill all redundant stuff... :)
[18:02:23] <rob0> ahhh, so you think this is your answer?
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[18:03:18] <Zonei> rob0: well at least I'll spread out the logs :)
[18:03:30] <sysmonk> i don't remember pickup loging anything
[18:03:34] <sysmonk> each minute, atleast
[18:03:51] <sysmonk> it does log when you have mails, but not when it doesn't have anything to do
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[18:04:04] <sysmonk> maybe you've got some debugging turned on ?
[18:04:30] <rob0> Verbose logging is rarely needed, usually just noise.
[18:04:44] <sysmonk> yeah
[18:04:47] <Zonei> sysmonk: well, checking the /proc/sys/vm/block_dump has this on log once a minute:     master(2747): dirtied inode 487713 (pickup) on sda5
[18:04:57] <rob0> yup, verbose.
[18:05:18] <Zonei> yeah, my fault, it's not a log attempt but disc activity (majority of which is logging, so that's why I mentioned logging).
[18:05:26] * sysmonk doesn't use lunix, i don't know what /proc/sys/vm/block_dump is
[18:05:44] <sysmonk> i thought /proc isn't 'disk' based ?
[18:05:46] <rob0> I do, but I don't know either.
[18:05:55] <Zonei> anyways it is followed by several kjournald writes which makes the whole thing annoying. Every little write calls several journaling threads to do their work.
[18:05:59] <rob0> right, it's the in-kernel virtual filesystem
[18:06:01] <sysmonk> that is, it's everything in teh memory
[18:07:16] <sysmonk> Zonei: what is inode 487713 ?
[18:07:33] <sysmonk> is it pickup - teh binary, or pickup - the socket, or what?
[18:07:37] <Zonei> sysmonk: it's disk inode where pickup files are, basically irrelevant for this problem.
[18:08:17] <sysmonk> Zonei: i'm asking if it's a socket, a binary, or something else
[18:08:25] <Zonei> sysmonk: I don't know, I think a binary
[18:08:51] <sysmonk> find / -inode ... :)
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[18:09:41] <sysmonk> Zonei: anyway, you've been given a hint - master.cf
[18:10:22] <Zonei> yes, thanks, looking through all of it and man pages.... thought perhaps you guys knew it right away :)
[18:10:50] <sysmonk> i've already told the answer
[18:10:58] <sysmonk> you just didn't have teh brains to read it :)
[18:11:09] <Zonei> agreed, this is all relatively new to me.
[18:11:27] <sysmonk> i've even told what and where to change
[18:11:46] <Zonei> sysmonk: master.cf config file, right?
[18:12:14] <Zonei> sysmonk: btw the inode is a named pipe
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[18:12:53] <Zonei> sysmonk: ok so I increase the wakeup for pickup from 60 to desired number of seconds, correct?
[18:13:19] <sysmonk> yes
[18:13:55] <Zonei> restart postfix? or some other service?
[18:14:38] <rob0> Verbose logging is indicated with -v as an argument to a daemon process.
[18:15:00] <rob0> I figured you knew that, since you had to manually add those.
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[18:16:18] <sysmonk> Zonei: restart postfix, but not 'reload' :)
[18:16:29] <sysmonk> rob0: i think it's some internal lunix thing which logs disk activity
[18:16:35] <sysmonk> and not postfix verbose logging
[18:16:59] <Zonei> sysmonk: much obliged, I believe this solved my problem (regarding the pickup at least) :)
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[18:48:38] <sup3rfly> hrm
[18:48:45] <sup3rfly> can i change the smtpD_helo_name then?
[18:49:39] <vice-versa> !myhostname
[18:49:40] <knoba> vice-versa: "myhostname" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet hostname of this mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.
[18:49:47] <vice-versa> !smtpd_banner
[18:49:48] <knoba> vice-versa: "smtpd_banner" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The text that follows the 220 status code in the SMTP greeting banner. Some people like to see the mail version advertised. By default, Postfix shows no version.
[18:50:45] <sup3rfly> i want to change the 250 status code
[18:50:59] <vice-versa> why?
[18:51:01] <sup3rfly> 220 ace.triplecrowncasinos.com SMTP Proxy
[18:51:01] <sup3rfly> helo bob.com
[18:51:01] <sup3rfly> 250 mr0-fw1.triplecrowncasinos.com
[18:51:08] <sup3rfly> because it shows an internal name of the firewall
[18:51:19] <sup3rfly> i'd like it to be ace.triplecrowncasinos.com, which is my public hostname
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[18:53:06] <JP_> hi folks maybesome one know solution to my prob
[18:53:34] <JP_> i searched all day in google and couldnt fount out
[18:54:50] <JP_> i wanna use postif like reley server and spam filltre in dmz i have couple exchange servers
[18:55:25] <JP_> and how to make when one is down its turn to second
[18:55:42] <sup3rfly> JP_, check out the endian firewall
[18:56:01] <sup3rfly> it uses postfix as a proxy server to do spam/virus scanning and then forwards the clean mail to your internal mail servers
[18:56:14] <sup3rfly> all setup out of the box using a web GUI
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[18:56:41] <shasta> sup3rfly, paste the output of: postconf myhostname
[19:01:55] <sup3rfly> root@mr0-fw1:/etc/postfix # postconf myhostname
[19:01:55] <sup3rfly> myhostname = mr0-fw1.triplecrowncasinos.com
[19:02:02] <sup3rfly> must be some place to change this
[19:02:23] <shasta> like all the other configuration directives, in main.cf
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[19:02:42] <shasta> vice-versa already told you
[19:04:28] <sup3rfly> ok got it
[19:04:36] <sup3rfly> myhostname = ace.triplecrowncasinos.com
[19:04:38] <sup3rfly> that fixed it
[19:04:52] <sup3rfly> thanx
[19:06:33] <sup3rfly> JP_, ENDIAN is the way to go for a SMTP proxy.  Been using for a few weeks, works great.  Beats having 25 going direclty to your Exchange server
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[19:07:55] <sysmonk> what's ENDIAN ?
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[19:12:51] <sup3rfly> sysmonk, linux firewall....like smoothwall, ipcop, pfsense
[19:12:55] <sup3rfly> works great
[19:13:21] <sup3rfly> built in vpn (openvpn), content filtering (dansguardian), smtp/http proxy with virus/spam detection, etc, etc
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[19:13:38] <sup3rfly> we use it for about 100 computers
[19:13:42] <sup3rfly> (on old server hardware)
[19:14:01] <sysmonk> never saw anything like that runing on GOOD hardware ;P
[19:14:04] <sup3rfly> free, easy to use, and does everything a comercial product would
[19:14:06] <sup3rfly> ha
[19:14:08] <sysmonk> people always run that stuff on old hardware :)
[19:14:14] <sup3rfly> yeah, for home
[19:14:19] <sysmonk> not always
[19:14:28] <sup3rfly> if it's for a business, my as well use something decent.
[19:14:32] <sysmonk> we have some clients runing pfsense in their office
[19:14:34] <sup3rfly> server hardware that is 4 years old
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[19:14:43] <Justiceiro_df> good afternoon
[19:14:50] <sup3rfly> just need raid, only thing i'm worried about is the drives dieing
[19:14:57] <Justiceiro_df> can someone helps me?
[19:15:23] <vice-versa> !ask
[19:15:24] <knoba> vice-versa: "ask" : If you have a question, just ask. Precise questions lead to precise answers. Vague descriptions of your problem will get you nowhere. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[19:16:20] <Justiceiro_df> I need to put postfix with wda patch to work with trash quota
[19:17:55] <vice-versa> what's wda?
[19:18:00] <sysmonk> !vda
[19:18:00] <knoba> sysmonk: "vda" : a patch for Postfix that adds quota functionality (see http://vda.sf.net)
[19:18:07] <vindex> anyone with experience setting up mailman+postfix on gentoo?
[19:18:15] <Justiceiro_df> yes
[19:18:23] <Justiceiro_df> sorry about the mistake...
[19:18:39] <vindex> it's bouncing my messages saying the mailman-* addresses dont exist
[19:18:45] <vindex> and i have the proper virtual_maps etc
[19:19:22] <vindex> anyone can help?
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[19:20:58] <Justiceiro_df> can someone guide me?
[19:22:39] <vice-versa> vindex: show us something of substance, postconf -n and relevant log excerpts, preferably in a pastebin
[19:22:42] <vice-versa> !pastebin
[19:22:43] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[19:23:29] <vindex> vice-versa: ok, gimme a sec to do so mate
[19:23:38] <vindex> vice-versa: and thanks for rpelying already heh
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[19:26:42] <earlmred>  How would I go about setting up postfix to only send mail for certain domains?
[19:28:41] <shasta> check_recipient_access, man access
[19:28:47] <shasta> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[19:28:48] <knoba> shasta: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[19:29:02] <vindex> vice-versa: http://rafb.net/p/gIXMxG50.html
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[19:33:46] <Justiceiro_df> none???
[19:33:49] <vindex> vice-versa: http://rafb.net/p/eQtxNg16.html
[19:33:54] <vindex> the error message
[19:34:02] <vindex> if anyone can help i would appreciate it
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[19:36:29] <madduck> why would i have hundreds of entries in my mailq with "alias database unavailable"
[19:36:41] <madduck> when /etc/aliases{,.db} exist with mode 644 and have the right contents?
[19:37:22] <vindex> does it say anything else besides that?
[19:37:27] <madduck> nope
[19:37:29] * madduck checks logs
[19:37:44] <vindex> are you running out of open file descriptors or something?
[19:37:53] <madduck> ah, ouch
[19:37:54] <madduck> Sep  1 18:35:46 lapse postfix/local[29904]: warning: lookup madduck+crontab, NIS do
[19:37:57] <madduck> main rw.madduck.net, map mail.aliases: internal yp server or client error
[19:38:01] <madduck> frickin' NIS
[19:38:06] <madduck> I can't believe it still tries that by default
[19:38:35] <madduck> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[19:38:36] <madduck> fixed it
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[19:39:36] <vice-versa> vindex: where's the requested "relevant log excerpts", NDRs are not generally very useful
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[19:46:10] <Justiceiro_df> how get trashquota to work???
[19:47:29] <vindex> vice-versa: http://rafb.net/p/OV63oN20.html
[19:47:35] <vindex> Justiceiro_df: isnt that dovecot stuff man?
[19:48:28] <Justiceiro_df> accordin this how-to, a patch have to do it
[19:49:01] <Justiceiro_df> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch
[19:49:08] <Justiceiro_df> using vda patch
[19:49:18] <Justiceiro_df> all is work fine, but
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[19:49:49] <Justiceiro_df> when I send a mail to trash, it isn't count in quota..
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[19:57:13] <vindex> vice-versa: now you have the stuff :)
[19:57:20] <vindex> it seems to do virtual transport for that
[19:57:24] <vice-versa> vindex: as far as I can tell mailman-owner is a local alias not virtual and it's the virtual transport that's trying to deliver the message hence the unknown user
[19:57:55] <vindex> so i need manual aliases
[19:58:02] <vindex> set to the commands then?
[19:58:13] <vindex> problem is mailman sets this stuff itself
[19:58:19] <vindex> and the gentoo howto even explicitly mentions it
[19:58:25] <vindex> is there any way around it?
[19:59:27] <vice-versa> guess you could try creating a virtual alias for mailman-owner at foo dot com that points to mailman-owner@localhost
[19:59:31] <vice-versa> !virtual2local
[19:59:33] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual2local" : virtual(8) to local(8) aliases(5) : Create a local alias as usual, name: value1, value2, ... then add the virtual alias as, user at domain dot tld name@localhost (localhost can be substituted for any domain listed in mydestination)
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[20:03:58] <vindex> ack
[20:04:04] <vindex> lemme check
[20:07:18] <vindex> vice-versa: hum maybe that wont work
[20:07:27] <vindex> vice-versa: i had lists. listed in mydestination once
[20:07:27] <vice-versa> maybe
[20:07:30] <vindex> testing to solve it
[20:07:33] <vindex> and it didnt work to me
[20:08:47] <vindex> vice-versa: can virtual alises be assigned as commands?
[20:09:10] <vice-versa> no
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[20:10:25] <vice-versa> vindex: I've not worked with mailman myself, but should it be aliasing mailman-owner at lists dot foo.com to mailman-owner at foo dot com in the first place?
[20:13:50] <vindex> foo.com is managed by virtual as the config says man
[20:13:55] <vindex> mail.foo.com is the host
[20:14:53] <vice-versa> foo.com != lists.foo.com
[20:14:56] <vice-versa> man
[20:15:08] <vindex> sure, foo.com IS VIRTUAL
[20:15:10] <vindex> wont work
[20:15:23] <vindex> thats the whole point of having those aliases
[20:15:27] <vindex> did you read the config?
[20:15:37] <vindex> mailman-owner at lists dot foo.com is part of virtual alias maps
[20:15:39] <vindex> ...
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[20:17:21] <vice-versa> yes I did read the config, so you're saying lists.foo.org is supposed to be a virtual domain?
[20:17:21] <vindex> it should NOT alias the virtual to another virtual
[20:17:23] <vindex> lol
[20:20:36] <vindex> vice-versa: huh indeed
[20:21:01] <vindex> seems like a line from /etc/postfix/virtual_domains_maps  was cut in rafb
[20:21:13] <vice-versa> indeed
[20:21:47] <vindex> so i grant you that, sorry
[20:21:49] <vindex> but yeah man
[20:21:52] <vindex> it's frustrating
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[20:23:25] <vice-versa> no doubt, and I'm trying to assist as much as I can, albeit with limited knowledge of mailman
[20:24:20] <vice-versa> did you follow a guide or was this derived from the mailman docs?
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[20:29:09] <vindex> both actually, gentoo's guide
[20:29:16] <vindex> and then the mailman docs on virtual mail settings
[20:29:19] <vindex> lemme find the link
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[20:29:40] <vindex> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_install_Gnu_Mailman and http://gentoo-wiki.com/Mailman
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[20:31:22] <vindex> same doc
[20:34:10] <vindex> vice-versa: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml
[20:34:13] <vindex> thats the gentoo doc
[20:35:56] <vindex> !virtual_domain_maps
[20:35:56] <knoba> vindex: Error: "virtual_domain_maps" is not a valid command.
[20:36:55] <vindex> !virtual_mailbox_domains
[20:36:56] <knoba> vindex: "virtual_mailbox_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that are by default delivered via the $virtual_transport mail delivery transport. This list uses the same syntax as the mydestination configuration parameter.
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[20:40:12] <vice-versa> vindex: just glancing at it, seems to me that mailman requires local(8) due to command piping, mailman-owner at lists dot foo.com  is being aliased to mailman-owner at foo dot com which are both virtual domains
[20:40:28] <vindex> vice-versa: the localhost trick worked though
[20:40:40] <vindex> aye
[20:41:04] <vindex> i still want a non hackish solution so i cna let mailman manage the aliases hash files and avoid updating the copies by hand
[20:41:07] <vice-versa> yeah, because it's in mydestination
[20:41:07] <vindex> how can i do it?
[20:42:46] <vice-versa> dunno, maybe lists.foo.com should actually be a local domain in mydestination
[20:44:31] <vice-versa> might be worth a try, add it to mydestionation and locate and quash the lists.foo.com to foo.com alias expansion
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[20:45:29] <vindex> well, im gonna leave it this way atm, thanks for the help mate
[20:45:34] <vice-versa> lists.foo.com will have to be removed from virtual as well
[20:45:36] <vindex> i will check on a VM some config
[20:45:37] <vice-versa> ok, np
[20:45:39] <vindex> yeah
[20:45:46] <vindex> will try that config on a VM
[20:45:53] <vindex> so i dont interrupt service on that host
[20:45:59] <vindex> im just really new postfix
[20:46:02] <vindex> liking it so far
[20:46:06] <vindex> qmail feels ancient
[20:46:12] <vice-versa> :)
[20:46:36] <vindex> also it was about 5 minutes before dovecot peeps managed to get me to think about writing a plugin
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[20:46:45] <vindex> i was discussing some privacy addons
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[20:46:47] <sysmonk> vindex: if qmail is ancient...
[20:46:51] <vindex> for example auto shredding email
[20:46:52] <sysmonk> then... what's sendmail?
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[20:46:57] <vindex> sysmonk: prehistoric
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[20:47:02] <sysmonk> oh. right.
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[20:47:17] <vice-versa> vindex: well just keep in mind that local and virtual are two totally different delivery transport agents as that seems to cause a lot of confusion for new comers
[20:47:29] <vindex> if i wanted to runa  good honeypot i would install a default sendmail config
[20:47:34] <vindex> and let the good times roll
[20:47:45] <sysmonk> vindex: you know how to code?!!!
[20:48:05] <sysmonk> or will you search the web for the default sendmail config? :)
[20:50:27] <cheetahw26> how can i uninstall postfix after installing it from source...
[20:50:32] <cheetahw26> there is no make uninstall
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[20:52:42] <sysmonk> sadly, but i never uninstalled it so i don't know ;/
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[21:00:08] <vindex> sysmonk: who knows, could be
[21:00:16] <vindex> sysmonk: i know to finger
[21:00:28] * vindex chuckles
[21:02:35] <vindex> sysmonk: that said, i think LUA language config files could be serious rock n' roll
[21:02:55] <vindex> sysmonk: sendmail used a language that is as ancient as the MTA itself
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[21:17:12] <rob0> Sendmail may be older than qmail, indeed, but at least it's maintained.
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[21:18:13] <sysmonk> true
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[21:18:19] <vice-versa> indeed, when's the last time anything was updated with qmail other than patches, late nighties?
[21:18:26] <sysmonk> btw, how's qmail living after dj giving it to public?
[21:18:47] <sysmonk> didn't he change the license of qmail recently?
[21:18:54] <vice-versa> yup
[21:19:08] <vice-versa> all his code actually
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[21:20:47] <sysmonk> what happened to him ?
[21:20:51] <sysmonk> did he find a chick atlast?
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[21:25:10] <vice-versa> he gave into pressure about his restrictive licensing policy, major 360'ed and released it into the public domain iirc
[21:26:43] <vice-versa> so I guess if one of the entities complaining was female I guess you can be partially right sysmonk ;)
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[21:36:56] <vindex> i doubt dj has had much sex lately to be honest
[21:37:04] <vindex> but who knows
[21:37:11] <vindex> with money you can buy plenty of it
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[21:37:52] <vindex> the idea of nerds having no sex seems flawed. i could see poor nerds being sex  starved. but if they are rich or welathy.... no matter how overweight, no matter how ugly and physically repulsive they are, they get to hack panties
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[21:39:34] <vice-versa> assuming that's what they're into of course
[21:41:05] <vindex> hahaha
[21:41:07] <vindex> exactly
[21:41:08] <vindex> lol
[21:41:49] <vindex> oh well, panties is rather tolerant to 'side options'
[21:41:59] <vindex> let's not stress the mnorities tho!
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[23:59:04] <kempo> hello there





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