August 27, 2008 
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(:[04:11:06] <shasta> this question is for #amavis, not #postfix, tho[04:12:37] *** Kapaneus has joined #postfix[04:12:44] <Kapaneus> is anyone awake :)[04:12:58] <Kapaneus> ello?[04:13:16] <Kapaneus> u know why even host this shit if it's as useless as bulltits, seriously[04:13:40] <magyar> shasta: it is[04:13:51] <Kapaneus> why advertise this 'help' when most of the time it's just a circle jerk of nerds who happen to be friends, wasting their time here talkinga bout how cool they are[04:14:20] *** internat1 has quit IRC[04:14:26] <Kapaneus> people just congregate here, say something pithy and fall asleep, not helping no one?[04:14:27] <magyar> shasta: i get messages tagged but some get no tags at all[04:14:38] *** Internat has joined #postfix[04:14:48] <Kapaneus> this is making me sick[04:15:04] <Kapaneus> DIAF, all of you[04:15:07] *** Kapaneus has left #postfix[04:15:36] <magyar> what was that?[04:15:55] <pickcoder> impatience[04:16:10] <pickcoder> immaturity?[04:16:17] <pickcoder> <insert favorable term>[04:16:27] <magyar> that sounds like me[04:17:33] <rob0> oh that was fun, sorry I missed it[04:18:09] <magyar> anyhow, anyone had this type of issues with amavis, where some mail just gets no score?[04:18:28] <magyar> I've been racking my brains for days with this[04:18:37] <pickcoder> whitelist?[04:18:54] <pickcoder> did you check the amavis startup log to see what's loading[04:18:59] *** slurpee_ has joined #postfix[04:19:12] <shasta> magyar, sa_tag_level_deflt?[04:21:50] <magyar> shasta: undef;[04:22:06] <magyar> pickcoder: it loads a ton of goodies[04:24:32] <rob0> !sweet[04:24:33] <knoba> rob0: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/[04:24:41] <rob0> http://sweet.nodns4.us/Kapaneus.html[04:25:05] <rob0> I'm keeping a losers' gallery[04:25:59] <lunaphyte> fun![04:26:03] <lunaphyte> where's my page?[04:26:41] <pickcoder> 2 minutes.. what a patient person[04:32:53] <rob0> he came in with a nasty attitude ... worse than mine![04:33:24] <rob0> I have an excuse for mine. I hang around here helping idiots like him, without compensation.[04:37:31] <rob0> hmmm, he must have been in here using tor or a cloak, I don't see any history in my scrollback buffer.[04:38:40] <vice-versa> Kapaneus?[04:39:05] <pickcoder> what do you want?[04:39:32] <rob0> yeah, do you know him?[04:39:57] <rob0> I was going to add whatever history to the Web page.[04:40:34] <pickcoder> I just joined...[04:40:35] <vice-versa> nope, just seen ya yapping so I scrolled up to see what was up[04:41:11] <rob0> http://sweet.nodns4.us/Kapaneus.html[04:42:07] <vice-versa> looks like trolling to me[04:42:33] <rob0> Clearly a very troubled individual. I'm just sorry that I failed to help. (Help add to his troubles.)[04:42:43] <pickcoder> someone without a clue was in a bind because they had to fix something they didn't know how to[04:43:28] <pickcoder> speaking of fixing.. I had a SyncMaster 940BX lose it's marbles today[04:43:38] <pickcoder> not even 10 months[04:43:38] <vice-versa> lol, yeah probably their BIOS, needed a Post Fix[04:44:03] <pickcoder> 1/8 is not a good track record[04:44:14] <pickcoder> I may go back to Dell LCDs[04:45:19] <pickcoder> (I have another one that has a loose power socket)[04:45:28] <pickcoder> but I digress[04:45:36] <vice-versa> bunch of 940BW's here, never had any issues[04:45:42] <rob0> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=D.I.A.F. that one was new to me[04:46:59] <pickcoder> vice-versa: and no one I talked to had problems with the Dimension XPS/4100 series either until a year after half of my drives toasted themselves[04:47:12] <pickcoder> crappy venting setup[04:47:18] <pickcoder> + no cleaning[05:05:37] *** nphase_ has joined #postfix[05:09:51] *** sparkleytone has joined #postfix[05:19:33] *** goldfischli has joined #postfix[05:32:20] *** nphase_ has quit IRC[05:36:31] *** goldfisc1li has quit IRC[05:38:40] *** githogori has joined #postfix[05:48:08] * pickcoder heads to be[05:48:11] <pickcoder> bed[05:48:18] * pickcoder obviously needs sleep[05:48:33] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[06:03:13] *** Alumin has quit IRC[06:08:57] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:09:34] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:21:44] *** EasilyOdd has quit IRC[06:31:57] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:40:24] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[06:43:23] *** munichlinux has joined #postfix[06:44:22] <munichlinux> is it possible to store the incoming mail to mysql db using postfix, has someone tried this?[06:47:37] *** boink__ has joined #postfix[06:50:08] <will_> Check out dbmail[06:50:10] <will_> nite![06:50:11] *** will_ has quit IRC[06:59:45] *** raz has quit IRC[06:59:45] *** boink__ is now known as raz[07:10:59] *** Haris_ has joined #postfix[07:11:13] *** FuRom has joined #postfix[07:11:48] <FuRom> How do I change postfix's port from port 25? I can't find anything about this. =/[07:12:17] <f3ew> FuRom, edit master.cf[07:12:18] <f3ew> firs column[07:13:16] <FuRom> f3ew, first column?[07:13:26] <FuRom> Ummm, I don't see nothing about ports in here.[07:14:08] <f3ew> s/smtp/port number/[07:15:30] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[07:16:41] <FuRom> Ah, replace "inet" with localhost:port?[07:18:12] <FuRom> T_T This has to be the single most confusing config file eve.[07:18:14] <FuRom> ever*[07:21:11] <FuRom> Ah! I see now, thanks f3ew. ^_^[07:26:24] *** FuRom has left #postfix[07:33:55] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[07:40:04] *** Siegfried has joined #postfix[07:40:21] <Siegfried> hi[07:41:11] <Siegfried> is it possible to use postfix + tls to auth with a mysql db with encrypt() passwords with a constant salt?[07:44:10] <Siegfried> can't find how to specify the salt[07:48:00] <Siegfried> postfix + sasl*[07:52:51] <f3ew> Siegfried, that should be part of your query][07:53:11] <Siegfried> i see[08:02:17] *** hesco has left #postfix[08:09:26] *** Kako has joined #postfix[08:30:37] *** gabbernaster has quit IRC[08:31:58] *** boink__ has joined #postfix[08:33:25] *** gabbernaster has joined #postfix[08:35:39] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[08:39:19] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:39:24] *** shoonya has quit IRC[08:40:56] *** Kako has quit IRC[08:42:26] *** Kako has joined #postfix[08:43:35] *** raz has quit IRC[08:43:35] *** boink__ is now known as raz[08:44:12] *** Knoedel2 has joined #postfix[08:44:14] <Knoedel2> hi all[08:47:03] *** sbaragnaus has joined #postfix[08:48:04] <Knoedel2> has someone a link to a page where i can read something about, set dynamic rules for every email account antivirus: on/off , greylisting: on/off, etc. ?[08:49:54] <sbaragnaus> why all incoming message to unknown local user are redirected to root mail box??? ... I prefer these messages should be rejected .. ! How can I do this???[08:56:08] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[09:02:29] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[09:02:59] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[09:04:47] *** Siegfried has quit IRC[09:11:09] *** drindt has joined #postfix[09:14:29] <sbaragnaus> no help fome me??[09:17:03] <Knoedel2> me helps also noone ;)[09:17:43] <drindt> and me? :D[09:17:58] <sbaragnaus> please help beginners ..![09:18:24] <f3ew> Knoedel2 amavisd?[09:18:37] <f3ew> !debug[09:18:37] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .[09:18:41] <f3ew> sbaragnaus see that[09:18:59] <f3ew> drindt, you haven't asked a question yet[09:19:51] <drindt> f3ew: yesterday yes :)[09:20:37] <f3ew> not in my scrollback[09:22:55] *** denis__ has joined #postfix[09:24:17] *** sbaragnaus has left #postfix[09:26:29] *** boink__ has joined #postfix[09:30:00] *** slurpee_ has quit IRC[09:38:44] *** raz has quit IRC[09:38:44] *** boink__ is now known as raz[09:40:49] *** sypher has joined #postfix[09:44:38] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|zzz[09:45:55] *** denis__ has quit IRC[09:50:55] *** denis__ has joined #postfix[09:50:57] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[09:51:52] *** F6F has joined #postfix[09:58:49] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[10:01:05] *** mhymn has joined #postfix[10:05:53] <drindt> f3ew: i followed the recommended document form yesterday and setup a basic postfix configuration. i want simply fetch a mail and store them into a maildir. so i try the /etc/postfix/virtual for doing so but postfix told me when i send email to the server that this user not exist in virtual :( some suggestions?[10:06:47] <f3ew> !debug[10:06:48] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .[10:09:23] *** julian__ has joined #postfix[10:19:59] *** boink__ has joined #postfix[10:22:04] *** jssa has joined #postfix[10:23:07] <jssa> What is the best way to prevent that my users' viruses-infected PCs send mails through my server?[10:23:20] <jssa> I'm using SASL authentication (without trusted_networks)[10:23:37] <jssa> but some viruses steal the login info from the users' mail clients.[10:28:39] <drindt> jssa: i think there is no way to avoid the stealing of the credentials, i think a way is to install clamav for filtering the content[10:28:43] <brancaleone> jssa: do antispam/antivirus outbound check[10:29:11] <drindt> f3ew: my setup now works, you can tell me how i can setup now that postfix uses the maildir format?[10:29:15] <jssa> I'm using spamassassin and clamav, but clamav doesn't detect anything[10:29:23] <jssa> and spamassassin just tag the mails as spam...[10:30:22] <brancaleone> change your setup to not deliver spams then, no ?[10:30:31] <jduggan> drindt: maildir is down to your lda[10:30:46] <jduggan> need to consult #dovecot or #courier or whatever youre using :)[10:31:04] <drindt> jduggan: lda?[10:31:13] <jduggan> local delivery agent[10:31:30] <drindt> jduggan: ok i prefer courier[10:31:35] <soren> jduggan: Erm... Postfix can act as lda as well.[10:31:38] <soren> and does so by default.[10:31:43] *** raz has quit IRC[10:31:43] *** boink__ is now known as raz[10:31:45] <soren> and can deliver to Maildirs[10:31:54] <jduggan> soren: sure, he already said he prefers courier[10:32:08] <jssa> drop spam-tagged messages is not a solution for me, brancaleone :([10:33:55] <soren> jduggan: That doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't want postfix to do his local delivery.[10:39:11] *** julian__ has quit IRC[10:42:16] *** jssa has quit IRC[10:47:25] *** blackflag has quit IRC[10:54:09] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[10:58:00] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[11:05:23] <f3ew> drindt Postfix will deliver to maildir if you add a / at the end of your mailbox path[11:05:39] <drindt> f3ew: yeah i had already many thanks[11:06:04] <f3ew> sorry, I had to go take an interview[11:10:01] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[11:11:54] *** bhagat has quit IRC[11:12:59] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[11:17:00] *** HNSZ has joined #postfix[11:17:04] *** HNSZ has left #postfix[11:22:09] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has joined #postfix[11:22:17] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> hello[11:27:51] <drindt> f3ew: i want sending via smtp emails and get this entrys by using smtpd -v "Aug 27 11:20:32 lx11 postfix/smtpd[8989]: reject_unauth_destination: dr at brot-und-spiele dot de[11:27:51] <drindt> Aug 27 11:20:32 lx11 postfix/smtpd[8989]: permit_auth_destination: dr at brot-und-spiele dot de[11:27:51] <drindt> " the wron network is allowed?[11:31:03] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[11:32:33] <drindt> f3ew: i get additional "generic_checks: name=reject_unauth_destination status=2"[11:37:33] *** blackflag has quit IRC[11:40:11] *** mark-use has joined #postfix[11:42:06] *** Tinozaure is now known as _Tino[11:42:16] *** _Tino is now known as Tinozaure[11:43:56] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[11:51:14] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[11:57:40] *** pitakill has quit IRC[12:01:25] *** xming has quit IRC[12:05:04] *** bboschman has joined #postfix[12:05:18] <bboschman> Hi[12:05:29] <drindt> hi[12:05:30] *** munichlinux has left #postfix[12:05:54] <bboschman> how can I rewrite sender-address for outgoing mails which are already in queue?[12:07:30] *** redduck666 has joined #postfix[12:14:59] *** xming has joined #postfix[12:18:30] *** xming has quit IRC[12:22:15] *** mirrorcolor has quit IRC[12:24:35] *** xming has joined #postfix[12:28:37] *** cpm has joined #postfix[12:30:45] <bboschman> hm[12:31:13] <bboschman> I tried using sender_canonical root at wrong dot host root at correct dot host[12:31:24] <bboschman> and used postsuper -r <queueid>[12:31:34] <bboschman> but the sender does not get rewritten?[12:33:05] *** enzo has left #postfix[12:35:21] <bboschman> ah[12:35:23] <bboschman> it worked now[12:36:18] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[12:43:24] *** troythetechguy has quit IRC[12:56:30] *** denis__ has quit IRC[12:56:48] *** gypsym has joined #postfix[12:56:50] <gypsym> hi[12:57:20] <gypsym> I've a problem with maildrop and postfix if I run postqueue -p I c a lot of mail with (temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Unable to create a dot-lock.)[12:57:24] <gypsym> why that?[13:08:32] *** Kako has quit IRC[13:13:30] <cpm> it would usually say "Unable to create a dot-lock at /some/path/[13:13:41] <cpm> is that not what it says?[13:14:58] <cpm> anyway, sounds like a bad path descriptor.[13:15:17] <cpm> as if in your maildrop.rc you have a path set to deliver to /some/path[13:15:31] <cpm> when it should be deliver to "/some/path?[13:15:34] <cpm> when it should be deliver to "/some/path" rather[13:15:47] <cpm> But this is a courier question, not a postfix question.[13:15:49] <cpm> try #courier[13:19:31] <sysmonk> isn't courier a part of postfix?![13:19:58] <f3ew> no[13:20:25] <redduck666> f3ew: ummm, sure it is[13:20:27] <redduck666> :-)[13:21:28] *** bhagat has quit IRC[13:23:12] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[13:24:58] <sysmonk> f3ew: your lame, you don't know what you're talking about[13:25:31] <sysmonk> go learn postfix! then we'll let you talk![13:36:08] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[13:38:46] *** goibhniu has joined #postfix[13:39:26] *** julian___ has joined #postfix[13:42:07] <goibhniu> hi, this is my first time configuring postfix (so I'm probably doing something silly) ... when I try to send a mail with telnet to my gmail address I get: Relay access denied; postconf -n: http://rafb.net/p/BL7Kw490.html[13:43:05] <bboschman> anyone aware of this smtp error? 421 Thread limit exceeded g_thread_max 296/290 consult Netwin before changing[13:43:28] <goibhniu> the objective is to get mailman running (which gives the same error at the moment), I also have postgrey on this server .. it seems to be possible to send mail using a mail client .. any ideas?[13:44:10] <bboschman> goibhniu, do you try to send the mail from another host?[13:44:50] <goibhniu> I'll try .. I think I have done so via telnet, with the same result[13:45:39] <cpm> !basic[13:45:40] <knoba> cpm: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[13:45:45] <cpm> !tell goibhniu basic[13:45:47] <bboschman> goibhniu, your postfix is configure only to accept mail from localhost, or mails destinated to mail.mydomain.org[13:45:47] <bboschman> , example.local, localhost, localhost.localdomain, localhost, mail.mydomain.org[13:47:20] <bboschman> cpm, you know anything about 421 thread limit?[13:47:36] <goibhniu> hmm ... thanks, I'll have a read through the README[13:47:57] <bboschman> for me it sounds like remote server error[13:49:14] <cpm> http://www.netwinsite.com/ftp/surgemail/doc/surgemail.pdf[13:49:22] <cpm> bboschman, ^^^^[13:49:27] <cpm> it's on the far side.[13:50:34] * goibhniu tries removing relay_hosts and restarting ... but gets the same error[13:51:08] <bboschman> ah[13:51:14] <bboschman> some spamsoftware...[13:51:17] <bboschman> thnx cp[13:51:20] <bboschman> cpm[13:51:21] * goibhniu meant "relay_domains" :)[13:51:46] <bboschman> goibhniu, your issue will not be solved be removing something...[13:52:09] *** cy_ has joined #postfix[13:52:10] <cy_> hello[13:52:13] <goibhniu> hmm .. I don't understand, do I need to add all possible domains?[13:52:28] <rob0> !relay_domains[13:52:28] <knoba> rob0: "relay_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter.[13:52:34] <rob0> !address_classes[13:52:35] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.[13:52:52] <goibhniu> thanks[13:52:59] <cpm> sounds like a really good time to read the documentation.[13:53:02] <cpm> it is.[13:54:06] <rob0> relay_domains means the MX you are but the final destination you are not.[13:54:43] <rob0> i.e., hosted elsewhere your mailboxes are[13:55:48] <cy_> i have a problem using sieve.. when i enter a simple reply script it works, but when i want to use the vacation function it does not reply.. i *guess* it somehow see's the mail 2x when it enters but i have no idea how to debug the issue.. log -> http://pastebin.ca/1186246 .. anyone might know how to do that?[13:56:07] <cy_> s/enters/arrives/[13:57:29] <goibhniu> sorry, I must be stupid. The way I read it, it sounds like I need to specify domains that postfix is allowed to send email to, but that doesn't make sense to me. Surely I should be able to send email to any random address?[13:58:22] <rob0> Answered that already, I have.[13:59:04] <goibhniu> ok, thanks for you help .. I'll read on[13:59:11] <rob0> !forget relay_domains[14:00:16] *** madrescher has quit IRC[14:00:38] <rob0> !learn relay_domains as A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes[14:00:50] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[14:01:01] <rob0> clearer that is?[14:01:03] *** Bagualas has joined #postfix[14:01:35] <vice-versa> talk like Yoda day this is?[14:02:01] <cpm> up the shut fsck[14:03:17] <goibhniu> hmm .. to me that sounds like you need to explicitly specify the destination domains/subdomains which postfix can (relay?) send mail to .. which doesn't really make sense to me :/[14:03:29] <rob0> 11:54 < rob0> relay_domains means the MX you are but the final destination you are not.[14:04:08] <rob0> Reread that you must, until arrives understanding.[14:04:18] * goibhniu chants[14:09:11] <PaSzCzUs> hello[14:09:19] <PaSzCzUs> anybody here using postfix with ldap and gnarwl ?[14:09:25] <PaSzCzUs> i have a problem with vacation (autoresponder)[14:13:07] *** xming has quit IRC[14:13:10] *** xming has joined #postfix[14:13:55] *** xming has quit IRC[14:16:18] *** xming has joined #postfix[14:16:43] *** xming has left #postfix[14:17:10] *** xming has joined #postfix[14:19:27] *** higuita has joined #postfix[14:22:35] <cy_> PaSzCzUs, me having problem with sieve :/[14:25:38] *** Masterkiller has joined #postfix[14:26:02] *** ribasushi_ has joined #postfix[14:26:06] <Masterkiller> hey i am migrating from one server to another, i did a postconf and output it to a file. Is it ok to use this file as my master.cf on the new server?[14:26:58] <vice-versa> nope[14:28:03] <Masterkiller> oops meant main.cf[14:28:52] <vice-versa> better, but postconf -n might be a better choice for output though[14:30:07] <Masterkiller> vice-versa, thanks ;)[14:30:33] *** internat1 has joined #postfix[14:31:14] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC[14:31:32] *** Internat has quit IRC[14:38:36] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[14:39:04] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[14:39:26] *** havvg has joined #postfix[14:40:09] *** Plouj has joined #postfix[14:40:11] *** Plouj has left #postfix[14:42:26] *** ribasushi has quit IRC[14:43:11] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[14:44:55] *** boink__ has joined #postfix[14:46:59] *** Plouj has joined #postfix[14:52:26] *** f3ew has quit IRC[14:57:00] *** raz has quit IRC[14:57:00] *** boink__ is now known as raz[15:01:01] <piksi> can someone give me an advice with my dns zone file to be used with a simple mail server?[15:02:03] <Signum> piksi: what is your specific question?[15:02:47] * cpm specifically zones Signum[15:03:28] <piksi> Signum: i'm not completely familiar with the dns zone notation, i know the bare basics and i'm wondering if i should add a CNAME or similar to mail.mydomain.net as so many example dns files and point all domain info in main.cf to mail.mydomain.net ?[15:03:53] <piksi> someone suggested me that but i'm not sure if i understood it (and if it has any benefits whatsoever)[15:04:17] <piksi> i have only one server with the domain, no separate mail server so no need for fancy MX records[15:07:41] <Signum> piksi: CNAMEs are a very bad idea as I had to experience myself.[15:07:51] <piksi> oh[15:07:51] <rob0> Eventually MX might become a requirement. It doesn't hurt to do things right. There's no good argument against setting an MX value for any domain that wants to receive mail.[15:07:53] <Signum> piksi: Either you need an A entry for the domain or an MX entry.[15:08:14] <sysmonk> Signum: wee, tell us your experience with cname's :)[15:08:16] <Signum> Seconded. MX records aren't that fancy.[15:08:32] <rob0> You sound like the DNS provider is charging you per record, or per query![15:08:39] <Signum> sysmonk: In the process the domain name of the envelope recipient got rewritten.[15:08:46] <piksi> http://pastebin.ca/1186295 <-- this is my current dns zone file[15:09:03] <sysmonk> Signum: o_O what has cname to do with that?[15:09:12] <piksi> forked from the gandi example file[15:09:20] <Signum> sysmonk: e.g. I had mentors.debian.net with a CNAME to lonestar.workaround.org. So all emails to support at mentors dot debian.net came rewritten to support at lonestar dot workaround.org[15:09:28] <piksi> i'm wondering if i should change/add something in that zonefile[15:09:40] <Signum> sysmonk: According to f3ew that's the documented behavior. CNAME rewrite envelope recipients. I didn't know that either.[15:09:53] <rob0> You need SOA and NS. Otherwise fine.[15:09:58] <sysmonk> uh[15:10:05] <sysmonk> Signum: which software does that? postfix?![15:10:39] <sysmonk> never heard of that 'functionality'[15:10:40] <Signum> sysmonk: MTAs in between. That happened for some mails - not for all. At least mails from yahoo were rewritten.[15:10:47] <Signum> sysmonk: Took a while to find out what's going wrong.[15:10:53] <sysmonk> yeah i believe[15:10:55] <Signum> sysmonk: I'll never use CNAMEs for email domains again.[15:10:58] <piksi> rob0: what should i set as their values? i've never had a SOA nor NS in my zonefiles in the past[15:11:05] <sysmonk> i know cname's are bad for emails, but never knew why[15:11:34] <Signum> sysmonk: try it :)[15:11:45] <sysmonk> Signum: already on my todo list :P[15:12:05] *** denis_ has joined #postfix[15:13:26] <Signum> sysmonk: http://paste.debian.net/15716/[15:14:37] <Signum> sysmonk: Never saw that RFC'd or documented elsewhere. But I somehow believe f3ew because his lies usually sound so convincing. :)[15:15:35] <sysmonk> hehe[15:15:38] <sysmonk> and sendmail[15:16:33] <sysmonk> i'd be interested if fe3w could supply with a referrence to that information ( rfc, sendmail manual, whatever )[15:16:39] <sysmonk> although rfc would be best[15:18:36] <cpm> CNAMES are not allowed for MX records[15:18:55] <sysmonk> cpm: yes, but the functionality of rewritting the recipient isn't known to me[15:18:59] <sysmonk> wasn't until now atleast[15:21:21] <cpm> RFC 1123 section 5.2.2[15:21:40] * cpm goes back to sleep, dreaming of kicking f3ew for not writing the book[15:22:15] <cpm> RFC-821 Section 3.1[15:22:40] <cpm> they must be fully-qualified principal names or domain literals, not nicknames or domain abbreviations. A canonicalized name either identifies a host directly or is an MX name; it cannot be a CNAME.[15:23:06] <cpm> that's pretty darned specific, when specific isn't usually the case in RFCs[15:30:21] *** Plouj has left #postfix[15:34:59] <Signum> RFCs tend to be totally complete. Just that you don't find most of the information you need.[15:35:40] <Signum> We once had an apprentice who didn't know much about network monitoring. And another coworker (who himself is stupid as bread) sent him the RFC for SNMP. Like that was of any use...[15:38:52] *** Haris_________ has joined #postfix[15:39:56] <cpm> SNMP!!! nooooooo![15:40:00] * cpm 's head implodes[15:43:38] *** x-spec-t has joined #postfix[15:44:27] *** Spec has quit IRC[15:44:33] *** x-spec-t is now known as Spec[15:44:33] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[15:44:54] <Signum> cpm: hey, it's *S*imple, remember?[15:45:13] <f3ew> SNMP?[15:45:26] <Signum> f3ew: yes, it's a network monitoring protocol ;)[15:45:52] <Signum> f3ew: We were just talking about CNAMEs in DNS zones and how some MTAs use them to rewrite envelope recipients. You helped me with that a while ago.[15:46:06] <Signum> f3ew: And sysmonk didn't believe me and was asking for the holy RFC.[15:46:18] <Signum> f3ew: That lead is to questioning the usefulness of RFCs.[15:51:40] <sysmonk> Signum: i didn't say i don't believe you! i was just interested to know where was that documented so i could refer to it later[15:55:20] <Signum> sysmonk: I usually just refer everybody to f3ew and bill them afterwards.[15:55:47] <sysmonk> oh, great! :)[15:56:45] *** Haris_ has quit IRC[15:58:00] <cpm> heh[15:58:14] * cpm keeps wondering what's so 'S' about snmp.[15:58:30] <f3ew> sysmonk, it's n the "why not to use CNAMEs for MX records" document[15:58:36] <f3ew> the name[15:58:37] <sysmonk> sexy network managment protocol ?[15:58:52] <Signum> snmp is the worst and most complicated protocol I've ever seen[15:59:15] <cpm> it's actually not complicated, it really is simple. It's the MIBs! the MIBs! aaaaieeeee![15:59:16] * f3ew introduces Signum to LDAP[15:59:21] * cpm runs screaming from MIBs[15:59:34] <cpm> noooooooo![15:59:38] <Signum> f3ew: ldap is pretty similar indeed. schemas instead of MIBs etc.[15:59:40] *** Masterkiller has left #postfix[15:59:41] * cpm runs screaming from ldap[15:59:52] <f3ew> An unholy marriage of OSI and OIDs[16:00:31] <cpm> it's one of those things that points out those big gaping holes in my moth eaten skill sets[16:00:54] <cpm> there is something about the logic approach to both schemas and mibs (oids) that I just don't grok[16:01:01] <cpm> s/logic/logical[16:01:20] <cpm> it's also reflected in my extreme distaste for xml[16:02:22] <cpm> whereas I think I was born to write dhcpd/innd/bind config files[16:03:24] <bboschman> cpm, I wonder about L in LDAP :)[16:05:21] <cpm> bboschman, indeed[16:06:58] *** drindt has quit IRC[16:07:07] <cpm> I actually bought, carried around, and read cover to cover H,S&G's Understanding and Deploying LDAP directory services. good book too, I might add.[16:07:21] <cpm> for all the good it did.[16:07:32] <f3ew> bboschman compared to X.500[16:07:50] <f3ew> cpm I suggest the ORA book "LDAP System Administration"[16:08:04] <sysmonk> hmm[16:08:28] <sysmonk> i want to try out ldap a bit this year, i was wondering what good book to read[16:08:38] <cpm> f3ew, I have it. but what I need I think, is to play jr admin in a shop that already has it deployed for a while.[16:09:19] * sysmonk notes the book names[16:09:21] <cpm> my busy-box-ish experiments have just ended in tears.[16:09:36] <f3ew> sysmonk, that's the only good book[16:09:38] <f3ew> sadly[16:10:07] <cpm> Hey, the H,S&G (Howes, Smith and Good) is a good book.[16:10:13] * sysmonk looks in his book archive[16:10:23] <cpm> and you can use it to stun a water buffalo if attacked[16:10:35] <sysmonk> 1. O'Reilly-Ldap System Administration.chm [1.11 MB] (10.45%) [view][16:10:37] <sysmonk> tis one?[16:10:44] *** goibhniu has left #postfix[16:11:27] <lunaphyte_> The ABCs of LDAP is also a decent book, imo.[16:13:27] *** Haris1 has joined #postfix[16:15:09] <f3ew> yes[16:17:23] *** standel has joined #postfix[16:17:58] <lunaphyte_> ldap was/is one of the most challenging topics i've had the pleasure of dealing with.[16:21:39] *** julian___ has quit IRC[16:24:04] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[16:25:16] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[16:25:44] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[16:26:20] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[16:27:29] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[16:27:57] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[16:28:38] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[16:28:45] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[16:30:35] *** Internat has joined #postfix[16:31:38] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[16:31:58] *** _xous has joined #postfix[16:32:25] <Knoedel2> !transport_map[16:32:26] <knoba> Knoedel2: Error: "transport_map" is not a valid command.[16:33:20] <Knoedel2> !transport_maps[16:33:21] <knoba> Knoedel2: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.[16:34:09] <Knoedel2> !relay_transport[16:34:10] <knoba> Knoedel2: "relay_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport and next-hop information for domains that match the $relay_domains parameter value. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.[16:34:40] <Knoedel2> hm what to use of bith ?[16:34:42] <Knoedel2> both[16:35:23] <Knoedel2> !relay_domains[16:35:23] <knoba> Knoedel2: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes[16:37:09] *** felix-da-catz_zz is now known as felix-da-catz[16:38:41] <xming> transport info and smarhost, 2 different things[16:42:06] *** githogori has quit IRC[16:42:11] *** xous has quit IRC[16:44:47] <Knoedel2> so a smarthost is a mail-relay server[16:44:57] <cpm> kinda, yeah.[16:45:06] <Knoedel2> and for what then i need transport_maps ?[16:45:10] <cpm> an intelligent one, rather than a blind one.[16:47:31] *** internat1 has quit IRC[16:54:44] *** Knoedel2 has quit IRC[16:58:16] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[16:59:28] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[17:04:44] *** Draecos_ has joined #postfix[17:08:07] *** standel has quit IRC[17:13:31] *** Draecos has quit IRC[17:16:38] *** Internat has quit IRC[17:17:04] *** Internat has joined #postfix[17:29:15] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[17:32:31] *** j_s has joined #postfix[17:34:50] *** havvg has quit IRC[17:35:40] *** shasta has quit IRC[17:36:50] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has quit IRC[17:37:11] *** gypsym has quit IRC[17:43:31] *** denis_ has quit IRC[17:44:37] *** LordDicranius has joined #postfix[17:44:43] *** lambda has quit IRC[17:48:49] *** habnabit_ has left #postfix[17:55:26] *** xming has quit IRC[18:04:52] *** sypher has quit IRC[18:12:53] *** zooko has joined #postfix[18:13:01] <zooko> Greetings, people of #postfix![18:14:46] <jelly> Greetings hu-mon.[18:15:22] *** githogori has joined #postfix[18:15:53] <sysmonk> mon-hu[18:22:26] <cpm> what does the hu-mon, , , errr, the zooko want?[18:22:58] <sysmonk> blood. fresh blood.[18:23:23] <zooko> Well, eventually I want to figure out how to configure my mail to send all * at zooko dot com to me.[18:23:32] <zooko> But I intend to try reading the fine manual before asking you. :-)[18:23:40] <sysmonk> your... what?[18:24:28] <sysmonk> i still think that earthling wants blood...[18:24:35] <zooko> You know, configure my internet pipes.[18:25:01] <cpm> ah, hu-mon intarwebs[18:25:07] <sysmonk> yah[18:25:10] <sysmonk> zookowebs[18:26:12] <sysmonk> i think you have to hack all routers on teh third planet from sun and do traffic analsys on them, and if mail is sent to/from zooweb/zooko/whatever - direct them to your server[18:26:16] <sysmonk> or just create an MX entry[18:26:40] <sysmonk> analisis*, not anal sys ...[18:27:02] <sysmonk> damn, analysis even[18:27:54] * sysmonk looks for a spellchecking-capable board with buttons[18:28:43] *** sophokles has quit IRC[18:30:31] <cpm> sysmonk, actually,[18:30:50] *** netcrash has joined #postfix[18:30:55] *** REdOG has quit IRC[18:31:25] <cpm> http://cs.unm.edu/~karlinjf/papers/pgbgp_icnp.pdf[18:31:30] <cpm> bgp redirect[18:31:53] *** stefan-f has joined #postfix[18:35:09] *** REdOG has joined #postfix[18:35:22] *** Tykling has left #postfix[18:36:16] <jelly> zooko: * at zooko dot com? once upon a time, people thought catchall aliases were nifty. Then bruteforcing spammers came.[18:36:53] <magyar_> need help with a maidroprc issue. Is there a way to test for a folder existence?[18:37:18] <sysmonk> jelly: doh, i didn't see the *@ :)[18:37:37] <sysmonk> catch-all's are evil.[18:38:02] <zooko> jelly: well, okay maybe I'll just learn how to add the ones I want.[18:38:10] <zooko> Right now I want to add zooko-pycryptopp at zooko dot com[18:38:30] <sysmonk> zooko: extensions are useful for that stuff[18:38:55] <jelly> zooko: you could have all the zooko-* at zooko dot com work, that's slightly less evil[18:39:18] <sysmonk> jelly: less evil? unevil at all ;P[18:39:51] <zooko> jelly: yeah, that sounds good.[18:39:56] <jelly> sysmonk: "less evil" includes unevil in my book, hrm[18:40:20] <sysmonk> might be so[18:42:21] *** noneo has quit IRC[18:44:47] *** blackflag has quit IRC[18:46:18] *** mark-use has quit IRC[18:48:21] *** raz has quit IRC[18:48:37] *** raz has joined #postfix[18:49:47] <jelly> !recipient_delimiter[18:49:47] <knoba> jelly: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[18:50:11] *** standel has joined #postfix[18:50:45] <jelly> knoba: what are you[18:55:28] *** shoonya has quit IRC[18:55:49] *** stefan-f has quit IRC[18:56:07] *** jonez_ has joined #postfix[18:56:18] *** raz has quit IRC[18:56:29] *** raz has joined #postfix[18:58:48] *** nakeee has joined #postfix[18:58:52] *** jonez has quit IRC[18:59:00] *** jonez_ is now known as jonez[19:02:00] *** TornadoChas3r has joined #postfix[19:02:03] <TornadoChas3r> Hello[19:02:09] <nakeee> if I integrate mailman with postfix using virtual maps do I need to give postfix both the regular alias and the virtual one?[19:02:13] *** LordDicranius has quit IRC[19:02:22] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[19:02:27] <MrWax> how can I see where postfix is putting mail it receives?[19:02:42] <TornadoChas3r> I need Help With postfix .. It wont Send out Mail without Error I have sat wild a blank stare on my head on how to fix it can anyone help me[19:03:16] <TornadoChas3r> I have done everything i know to try getting it to work it just wont send out[19:03:23] <TornadoChas3r> But i can recieve mail[19:04:40] <seekwill> Where are you sending to ,and what error do you get[19:05:45] *** raz has quit IRC[19:05:56] *** raz has joined #postfix[19:06:08] <TornadoChas3r> I am Trying to make a small email Server. When i try to send mail wout with webmin nothing happens it sits in the queue But if i try to set it up with Outlook or anyother email client I get an error it said it could not connect Even Tho I set it up the the right ports an everything[19:06:22] <TornadoChas3r> Let me go check what the Error Said for sure[19:06:47] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[19:06:52] <zooko> Hm. It kind of looks like zooko+* at zooko dot com already works, as if it were turned on by default.[19:06:56] *** _Driver_ has joined #postfix[19:07:31] <seekwill> TornadoChas3r: Who are you trying to send mail to? Because if you're trying to test by sending to yahoo or another large ISP, you might have troubles[19:07:50] <seekwill> ... that is not your fault[19:08:00] <TornadoChas3r> That might be I send it out to Next Zero then i tried Gmail[19:08:06] <TornadoChas3r> I should try a local user on server[19:08:07] <TornadoChas3r> lol[19:08:21] <seekwill> Gmail should be good...[19:09:09] <TornadoChas3r> seekwill: But i still cant outlook or an email client to conect to it I always get an error The server responded with an error. Account: 'tornadochas3r.biz', Server: 'tornadochas3r.biz', Protocol: POP3, Server Response: '-ERR Cannot connect to POP server 66.41.184.214 (66.41.184.214:110), connect error 10061', Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: 0x800CCC90[19:09:32] <TornadoChas3r> both One says pop3 one says stmp[19:09:45] <TornadoChas3r> error[19:10:03] <seekwill> Let's just deal with SMTP first...[19:10:05] <cpm> the hu-mon does not understand that postfix != pop[19:10:25] <TornadoChas3r> seekwill:kk[19:10:46] <TornadoChas3r> seekwill What i did i tried to send out to a local user account on my servernext i will try like gmail[19:11:00] <seekwill> TornadoChas3r: Do you know how to talk smtp?[19:11:21] <TornadoChas3r> Most likely not[19:11:28] <TornadoChas3r> lol i am a noob at postfix[19:11:34] <TornadoChas3r> i tried it once a long time ago i gave up[19:11:59] <TornadoChas3r> Wait it wokred when i sent it to a local inbox on server now lets try gmail[19:12:40] <TornadoChas3r> seekwill: Now when i send it to a outside email account i get this[19:12:41] <TornadoChas3r> The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'adrianstech at gmail dot com'. Subject 'test', Account: 'tornadochas3r.biz', Server: 'tornadochas3r.biz', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '554 5.7.1 <adrianstech at gmail dot com>: Relay access denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 554, Error Number: 0x800CCC79[19:13:05] <TornadoChas3r> it always denies it lol[19:13:08] *** stefan-f has joined #postfix[19:13:14] <seekwill> I don't know this bot well enough to tell you how to allow relaying[19:13:50] <zooko> I see that my postfix came with recipient_delimiter = +[19:14:03] <zooko> But I don't seem to be receiving mail to zooko+anyrandomthing at zooko dot com.[19:14:10] <zooko> Somebody want to send me some mail to test it? :-)[19:14:22] <TornadoChas3r> sure i Want to try out sending to a smaller email server[19:14:32] <TornadoChas3r> Whats ur email[19:14:36] <TornadoChas3r> o[19:14:41] <seekwill> This isn't a problem with gmail[19:14:51] <zooko> zooko+testrecipdelim at zooko dot com[19:15:34] <TornadoChas3r> once again i have the same problem[19:15:35] <TornadoChas3r> The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'zooko+testrecipdelim at zooko dot com'. Subject 'TEST MESSAGE', Account: 'tornadochas3r.biz', Server: 'tornadochas3r.biz', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '554 5.7.1 <zooko+testrecipdelim at zooko dot com>: Relay access denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 554, Error Number: 0x800CCC79[19:16:03] <seekwill> It's your server now allowing you to relay[19:16:22] <TornadoChas3r> seekwill: I am not sure can you help me find out?[19:16:39] <TornadoChas3r> I am using webmin[19:16:46] <TornadoChas3r> to configure[19:16:52] <seekwill> Good luck with that.[19:16:52] *** leyoda has joined #postfix[19:16:57] <seekwill> I only use main.cf[19:17:06] *** leyoda has left #postfix[19:17:24] *** TornadoChas3r has quit IRC[19:17:43] *** TornadoChas3r has joined #postfix[19:17:57] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[19:18:04] <TornadoChas3r> sorry my connection sucsk[19:20:16] *** cilly has quit IRC[19:20:28] <seekwill> TornadoChas3r: I suggest you get a good postfix book[19:20:41] <seekwill> The Book of Postfix[19:20:44] <seekwill> Awesome book[19:20:45] <TornadoChas3r> lol i told u i was a idiot at this lol[19:20:55] <seekwill> That's why you need a book[19:21:04] <TornadoChas3r> lol[19:21:21] <seekwill> It's not something to laugh about[19:22:56] *** pulsar has quit IRC[19:24:21] <TornadoChas3r> Hey it WORKED[19:24:27] <seekwill> WOW[19:24:31] <TornadoChas3r> well From sending mail out form the webmin interface[19:24:35] <seekwill> You aren't an idiot after all[19:24:35] <jelly> zooko: indeed, + is the default delimiter; however if you're only beginning to use it, - might be a better idea because many poor-written forms all over the web refuse to accept a mail address containing a + sign.[19:24:39] <zooko> So, now can you try to send to my +?[19:24:45] <zooko> jelly: ok.[19:24:46] <TornadoChas3r> But now hwo do i geet it to work it oulook or other email cleints[19:24:47] <TornadoChas3r> lol[19:25:05] <TornadoChas3r> that seems to be the only problem i have not[19:25:06] <TornadoChas3r> now[19:25:18] <zooko> Okay I changed the delimited to -[19:25:24] <seekwill> TornadoChas3r: Get the book[19:25:34] <TornadoChas3r> figures[19:25:45] <seekwill> You are going to need to learn about SASL[19:26:47] *** blackflag has quit IRC[19:27:48] <jelly> zooko: your lucky number is ... D0F2686796; look for it everywhere[19:27:59] <jelly> ... or in mail.log, at least[19:28:01] <zooko> jelly: thanks![19:29:15] * jelly mostly uses the delimiter thingy to register with unique addresses at various sites; then the address leaks to spammers can be somewhat tracked[19:29:58] <jelly> it's also nice to filter automated mail[19:30:20] <jelly> To: jelly+backup-logs@[censored][19:32:05] <zooko> Hm, I don't have a separate mail.log. It all goes into syslog. I'd like to change that...[19:33:37] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[19:38:38] *** cilly has joined #postfix[19:39:41] <zooko> jelly: I see a message from you in my syslog, but not in my inbox.[19:39:49] <zooko> Could you please send another one and I'll see if it got spam-filtered?[19:40:03] <jelly> zooko: find out what happened to it from the syslog.[19:40:22] <jelly> you have the queue id to grep[19:41:51] *** ribasushi_ has quit IRC[19:42:13] *** ribasushi_ has joined #postfix[19:43:12] <jelly> zooko: there goes another one[19:44:59] *** stefan-f has quit IRC[19:48:28] *** VivekVC has joined #postfix[19:52:25] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[19:52:47] <zooko> jelly: thanks.[19:53:27] <zooko> Yay! I received it! Thanks![19:53:57] <jelly> great[19:55:56] <MrWax> Does anyone know where I can find the postfix log file?[19:57:09] <sysmonk> where you syslog puts it![19:57:10] <sysmonk> ;)[19:58:48] *** standel has quit IRC[20:04:49] <vice-versa> !tell MrWax logs[20:06:18] *** lumpek has joined #postfix[20:07:53] *** cy_ has quit IRC[20:08:19] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[20:13:05] *** tundra has joined #postfix[20:16:21] *** DarienWork_ has joined #postfix[20:16:59] <tundra> Hello, does anyone know if it's possible that when an email is sent, postfix calls a script?[20:17:35] *** DarienWork_ is now known as DarienWork[20:18:25] *** lawnchair has quit IRC[20:19:33] *** lawnchair has joined #postfix[20:19:37] *** zooko has left #postfix[20:24:25] *** boink__ has joined #postfix[20:24:57] *** loompek has quit IRC[20:36:06] *** raz has quit IRC[20:36:06] *** boink__ is now known as raz[20:43:19] <piksi> my postfix is working otherwise great and it has default master.cf conf file but when i add postgrey socket to it, maillog complains about smtpd getting permission denied from postgrey socket[20:43:37] <piksi> i have followed this tutorial: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/postgrey[20:45:48] <MrWax> For some reason I think, postfix isn't delivering mail that is sent, when I try to receive mail with mutt through courier-imap[20:45:55] <MrWax> what are ways I can analyse this?[20:48:30] *** _Driver_ has quit IRC[20:51:21] <ftp3> hi.. all the sudden, i am getting 10000 messages containing this as the error:http://www.pastebin.ca/1186632 any idea what i can do to figure out whats up?[20:53:01] <sysmonk> ftp3: mysql down or something like that, check the logs[20:59:30] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[21:01:49] <ftp3> sysmonk, thanks![21:07:07] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[21:08:04] <vice-versa> piksi: check the permissions for the socket[21:09:58] *** nakee has joined #postfix[21:10:25] <nakee> I'm trying to get mailman and postfix to work together[21:10:40] <nakee> but it seems I'm doing something wrong because I get user unknown on the mailists[21:10:54] <nakee> any idea as to what might the problem be?[21:11:49] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[21:11:51] <xpoint> missing alias[21:12:27] <nakee> I have alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman[21:12:39] <nakee> when I do postconf -n[21:12:55] <xpoint> this should be virtual in postfix not just alias[21:13:21] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep virtual | grep alias[21:13:39] <MrWax> For some reason I think, postfix isn't delivering mail that is sent, when I try to receive mail with mutt through courier-imap[21:13:43] <MrWax> what are ways I can analyse this?[21:13:45] <MrWax> anyone?[21:14:10] <nakee> how many lines is it allowed to paste?[21:14:31] <vice-versa> 1[21:14:34] <xpoint> nakee, you need one alias for virtual mailman, and another for piped to mailman[21:14:54] <xpoint> vice-versa, with 50000 chars :)[21:15:44] <nakee> I have virtual_alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/virtual[21:16:45] <nakee> xpoint: pointing the to alias file is not enough?[21:16:57] <vice-versa> MrWax: "isn't delivering mail that is sent" sounds somewhat contradictory[21:17:39] <xpoint> nakee, if you dont setup mailman with virtual domain, then one alias for the pipe lines is enough[21:18:10] <nakee> xpoint: I did set mailman with virtual domains[21:18:15] <xpoint> nakee, but you showed me the virtual in wroung place above[21:18:24] <nakee> is it?[21:18:29] <nakee> wrong in what way?[21:18:49] <xpoint> alias_maps is for local user not virtual[21:19:43] <nakee> xpoint: at first I put it with the virtual_alias_maps and it didn't work, then I read in google that the alias_maps is how postfix recognizes users[21:19:51] *** standel has joined #postfix[21:19:58] <MrWax> vice-versa: I mean, it should receive mail[21:20:13] <MrWax> postfix mta that is[21:20:57] <xpoint> nakee, yes mailman uses 2 alias files when configured with virtual domains[21:21:26] <nakee> xpoint: so I need to add virtual-mailman to both?[21:21:40] <xpoint> nakee, 1: alias to be used with alias_maps 2: another to be used from virtual_alias_maps[21:22:18] <xpoint> alias maps with no @ is local user[21:22:37] <xpoint> all other is virtual[21:23:07] <xpoint> nakee, nope, read what i writed one more time[21:24:44] <nakee> so the local alias should be something like dns-ah: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post dns-ah" ?[21:25:19] <xpoint> nakee, yes mailman makes it for you so why do you ask ?[21:26:21] *** DarienWork has quit IRC[21:26:37] <nakee> xpoint: mailman creates them for me:) but I'm trying to understand how to configure postfix to use them[21:26:43] <xpoint> this file is for the local alias_maps[21:27:20] <xpoint> nakee, 1: alias to be used with alias_maps 2: another to be used from virtual_alias_maps[21:28:56] <xpoint> dont mix files to maps[21:29:25] * nakee checks if he got it right[21:29:45] <xpoint> show me postconf -n when you are done on pastebin[21:31:50] *** Haris_________ is now known as Haris[21:32:01] <vice-versa> MrWax: still not very clear, are you saying mail sent to your domain is not arriving at your server?[21:32:37] <MrWax> vice-versa: Well, I just set up postfix/courier-imap courier-imap-ssl for the very first time, so few things could be that I interpret it wrong:[21:32:41] <MrWax> what happens is this:[21:33:04] <piksi> vice-versa: you mean check the permissions of the socket file?[21:33:12] <vice-versa> piksi: yes[21:33:21] <MrWax> vice-versa: With my normal hotmail or gmail account, or whatever, I sent a mail, to my server, I kinda know for sure that postfix is set up okay[21:33:33] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[21:33:46] <MrWax> and actually, I think it arrives on my server, since I get no error messages back on those hotmail and gmail accounts[21:33:59] <vice-versa> what do your logs say[21:34:05] <nakee> xpoint: http://www.nopaste.com/p/akC9zTlndb[21:34:07] <MrWax> vice-versa: which logs should I check?[21:34:11] <vice-versa> !logs[21:34:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.[21:35:22] *** Haris1 has quit IRC[21:35:24] <MrWax> vice-versa: 2331 Aug 27 21:39:30 midegro postfix/cleanup[23601]: warning: 28243108024D: virtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for mr.de.Groot at xs4all dot nl[21:35:28] <MrWax> 2332 Aug 27 21:39:30 midegro postfix/pickup[23576]: 28690108024D: uid=1000 from=<waxboy>[21:35:39] <MrWax> (Mr.de.Groot at xs4all dot nl is the address I'm sending a test email from)[21:35:44] <xpoint> nakee, yes now should mailman work, but default alias is now missing[21:36:13] <nakee> Aug 27 19:21:35 whitestar postfix/smtpd[45517]: fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases"[21:36:14] <xpoint> nakee, to fix: postconf -d | grep alias_maps[21:36:16] <nakee> I get this in the log now[21:36:23] <vice-versa> !tell MrWax obvious[21:37:05] <xpoint> nakee, yes fix it[21:37:51] <xpoint> nakee, missing type before the alias file[21:38:27] <xpoint> nakee, remember to postmap it[21:39:30] <MrWax> vice-versa: should I paste bin all what happens?[21:39:34] <MrWax> when I start mutt?[21:42:01] *** pulsar has joined #postfix[21:42:27] <MrWax> vice-versa: http://www.pastebin.ca/1186682[21:44:34] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:45:11] <vice-versa> MrWax: looks to me like you have multiple configuration issues that are more tutorial/howto related than postfix specific[21:45:43] *** goldfisc1li has joined #postfix[21:47:17] *** danbeck has joined #postfix[21:47:48] <MrWax> vice-versa: not sure[21:47:50] <MrWax> it used to work[21:48:37] *** xming has joined #postfix[21:48:52] <nakee> relay=local, delay=0.62, delays=0.22/0.02/0/0.39, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post botnets)[21:48:57] <nakee> that means it worked right?[21:50:25] <jelly> nakee: yes, it means postfix did its part there[21:50:42] <MrWax> vice-versa: what is a basic way to check the mail arrives?[21:50:56] <nakee> ok[21:51:22] <MrWax> vice-versa: Postfix MTA is an agent that sents/receives, courier-pop is the one that stores it, right?[21:51:27] <nakee> now I just need to figure out how to check if it sent it to everyone[21:51:40] <MrWax> imap is the mechanism to retrieve it from the pop box[21:53:46] *** lambda has joined #postfix[21:56:19] <vice-versa> MrWax: yes postfix is an MTA, courier could be your MDA, depends on your configuration, courier has both IMAP and POP for MUA message retrieval[21:56:53] *** snes_rocks has joined #postfix[21:57:04] <snes_rocks> Hello![21:57:12] <MrWax> vice-versa: I use imap[21:57:19] <MrWax> so, where does courier-imap connect to ?[21:57:21] <MrWax> where is that defined?[21:57:36] <vice-versa> !pop[21:57:36] <knoba> vice-versa: "pop" : postfix is not an imap or pop server[21:57:44] <MrWax> ok o k[21:58:30] <snes_rocks> I'm trying to set up my postfix server to connect to an exchange server to relay mail[21:58:40] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[21:58:41] *** danbeck_ has joined #postfix[21:58:50] <nakee> xpoint: thanks for all the help[21:59:09] <xpoint> nakee, np[21:59:34] *** goldfischli has quit IRC[22:00:29] <snes_rocks> The authentication appears to work, and I set up postfix to rewrite the From headers to be the authenticating user, but I still get the error "454 5.7.3 Client does not have permission to Send As this sender"[22:00:52] *** nakee has left #postfix[22:02:14] <snes_rocks> I've read that the probably stems from the AUTH=<> in "MAIL FROM:email at domain dot tld> SIZE=313 AUTH=<>"[22:02:24] <snes_rocks> is there a way to fill in that AUTH=<> field?[22:04:15] <xpoint> From: have nothing to do with smtp auth or not[22:04:42] *** mhymn has left #postfix[22:04:44] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[22:04:53] <snes_rocks> ok[22:04:57] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[22:04:59] <rob0> ??[22:05:22] <snes_rocks> i've heard that it works without AUTH=<>, is there a way to tell postfix to remove it, or should i just patch the code?[22:05:40] *** cilly has quit IRC[22:06:06] <rob0> Sounds like you need to auth as a different user.[22:07:08] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[22:07:23] *** acidchild has joined #postfix[22:07:30] <acidchild> whats the best way of install DKIM on postfix?[22:07:41] <acidchild> i'm trying with dkimproxy but when i try and start dkimproxy i get this error.[22:07:52] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[22:08:03] <acidchild> Starting inbound DKIM-proxy (dkimproxy.in).../usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Crypt/OpenSSL/Bignum/Bignum.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tsta ck_sp_ptr[22:09:44] *** cilly has joined #postfix[22:12:20] *** danbeck has quit IRC[22:12:46] *** pirho has joined #postfix[22:15:23] <vice-versa> acidchild: seems more a Perl related issue than a postfix one[22:15:37] <acidchild> yeah i agree my friend.[22:16:00] <vice-versa> #perl is doors down on the right ;)[22:16:19] <vice-versa> s/doors/two doors/[22:19:37] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[22:20:57] *** standel has quit IRC[22:26:32] *** pirho_ has joined #postfix[22:27:02] *** pirho has quit IRC[22:28:13] *** CosMiC_Touch has quit IRC[22:31:55] <snes_rocks> hacking the postfix sourcecode to supply AUTH=<username> instead of just AUTH=<> works perfectly[22:32:06] <snes_rocks> i guess i won't be updating postfix for a while[22:39:32] <snes_rocks> and i see from the sourcecode that there's no option for it, so oh well[22:39:33] <snes_rocks> bybyes[22:39:33] *** snes_rocks has quit IRC[22:41:47] *** _Driver_ has joined #postfix[22:42:37] *** xnixan has quit IRC[22:48:57] *** dusty_ has quit IRC[22:59:27] *** danbeck_ has quit IRC[22:59:51] *** dusty has joined #postfix[23:01:10] *** dusty has quit IRC[23:02:03] *** dusty has joined #postfix[23:02:32] *** j_s has quit IRC[23:06:40] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[23:07:28] *** xnixan has joined #postfix[23:08:19] *** batphone has joined #postfix[23:21:07] <seekwill> I'VE BEEN WHITELISTED ON YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![23:21:11] * seekwill dances[23:21:29] <jeev> wow.[23:21:30] <jeev> how ?[23:21:36] <seekwill> Email them[23:21:41] <jeev> i have[23:21:44] <jeev> i've gotten a local retard[23:21:45] <jeev> answering me[23:21:50] <jeev> with absolutely no clue about life[23:21:51] <seekwill> Did you fill out their form?[23:21:56] <jeev> yes sir[23:22:02] <seekwill> And are you properly configured?[23:22:03] <seekwill> DK?[23:22:17] <seekwill> rdns[23:22:18] <seekwill> etc[23:22:33] <seekwill> And who did you email?[23:22:36] <jeev> yes sir[23:22:38] <seekwill> Which email address?[23:22:43] <jeev> that link that always would gryelist me[23:22:45] <jeev> from my qmail[23:22:51] <jeev> i hvaen't tried for my postfix server, i will later i guess[23:23:09] <seekwill> mail-abuse-bulk at cc dot yahoo-inc.com[23:23:17] <seekwill> Ask them for a whitelist application[23:23:24] <jeev> ok cool, i will.. thanks[23:23:37] <seekwill> Tell them you're not a bulk sender, just a corporate/personal email server. They'll give you a bunch of questions to answer[23:23:39] <jeev> i'm gona set up my new mx on these servers here at the office, i have to take it to the datacenter then i will begin[23:23:49] <seekwill> It'll help you get past the greylist, but not past spam filters[23:23:54] <jeev> ah[23:23:55] <jeev> k[23:23:56] <seekwill> okie[23:24:03] <seekwill> I'm SOOOO happy[23:24:14] <jeev> i could tell ol[23:24:15] <jeev> lol[23:24:25] <seekwill> Yahoo is the only isp to give me troubles[23:24:26] <sysmonk> seekwill: somebody on my ignore list again?[23:24:29] *** pitakill has quit IRC[23:24:37] <seekwill> sysmonk: Don't ignore me :([23:24:40] <jeev> seekwill, sysmonk is a lamer[23:24:46] <sysmonk> seekwill: not you, somebody you're talking to[23:24:46] <jeev> he put me on ignore cause he's a dumb shit with a 13" monitor[23:25:04] <seekwill> lol[23:25:09] <seekwill> sysmonk: jeev :)[23:25:14] <jeev> disregard him like i disregard the last little turd when pushing[23:25:19] <seekwill> oh[23:25:21] <jeev> i let it hang out for next time[23:25:34] <seekwill> jeev: just FYI, sysmonk is my brother...[23:25:42] <jeev> uh huh[23:25:46] <sysmonk> he must have said something bad, right? :)))[23:25:52] <seekwill> :)[23:26:01] <seekwill> sysmonk: You can see my logs when you get home[23:26:01] <sysmonk> yeah, i see everything in your dirty smile![23:26:02] <sysmonk> ;)[23:26:04] <jeev> i hope yahoo filters him from life![23:26:17] <sysmonk> seekwill: doh, i can just ssh to your box[23:26:24] <sysmonk> unless you've killed mine[23:26:30] <sysmonk> have you been to my room today?![23:27:17] <seekwill> sysmonk: Of course not. Work has been busy[23:27:44] <jeev> die[23:27:59] <seekwill> Hey, I'm not ignoring you[23:28:00] <sysmonk> seekwill: if you've had - i'll tell mom!!![23:28:26] <acidchild> selector1._domainkey IN TXT "k=rsa; t=s; p=$key" is that exaclly how you put it in DNS for a TXT record for DKIM? i didn't know you could have ._'s in a subdomain.. how does the mailserver know to check... for TXT on selector1._domainkey subdomain? anyone running DKIM i can dig your DNS to see how you've done it?[23:28:56] <seekwill> acidchild: stitchdkim._domainkey.digitaldev.com[23:29:13] <Dominian> heh[23:29:22] <Dominian> acidchild: punk.. following me around ;)[23:29:33] <acidchild> *DoS attacks* you fell down[23:29:36] <Dominian> heh[23:29:40] <acidchild> >:P[23:29:42] <acidchild> seekwill: thanks.[23:29:44] <seekwill> np[23:30:18] <seekwill> acidchild: stitchdk._ for..DK[23:31:28] <acidchild> stich?[23:31:34] <seekwill> stitch[23:31:40] <seekwill> Lilo and Stitch![23:31:40] *** F6F has quit IRC[23:31:48] <acidchild> selector1._domainkey isn't fine for me?[23:32:03] <acidchild> this DKIM is very comfuseing :([23:32:03] <seekwill> Use whatever selector you configured dkim-milter to use[23:32:18] <acidchild> i'm useing dkimproxy? should i use milter?[23:32:29] <acidchild> i just have pages of docs not really understanding whats the best tools to use[23:32:50] <seekwill> oh[23:32:53] <seekwill> I don't know[23:32:55] <acidchild> :([23:32:58] <xpoint> if it works it can work better[23:33:01] <acidchild> i've got selector1[23:33:04] <seekwill> That's fine[23:33:08] <xpoint> can't even[23:33:11] <seekwill> You use selector1, I use stitchdk[23:33:13] <seekwill> You use selector1, I use stitchdkim[23:33:14] <acidchild> in the config.[23:33:20] <acidchild> kk thanks mang.[23:35:49] *** netcrash has quit IRC[23:43:03] <xpoint> acidchild, i use amavisd to make dkim sign[23:44:12] <xpoint> olso a nice amavisd thing is use policy banks pr dkim sender[23:46:46] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[23:48:54] <pickcoder> all that talk yesterday about hardware failure jinxed me[23:49:49] <pickcoder> my mailgate croaked a few hours ago[23:50:03] <rob0> mailcroak[23:50:06] <rob0> postcroak[23:50:14] <rob0> frogmail[23:50:16] <pickcoder> enermax silent PS[23:50:36] <pickcoder> I guess the ATX power function decided to tap a long-term nap[23:50:37] <rob0> went a little TOO silent?[23:50:46] <pickcoder> it's barely 2 years old[23:51:11] <pickcoder> what's odd is the MB got power but it wouldn't turn on[23:51:22] *** CosMiC_Touch has joined #postfix[23:51:33] <pickcoder> luckily I had a spare case with a 350W ATX+12V source that would run it[23:52:38] <rob0> Case closed. <gavel>[23:52:39] <pickcoder> I'm not going without a spare PS in the shop anymore.. BB is like 30mins away.[23:52:56] <pickcoder> (during rush hour no less)[23:55:07] * pickcoder looked everywhere for an RS-232 board with no luck[23:57:02] *** felix-da-catz is now known as felix-da-catz_zz[23:57:54] *** Bagualas has quit IRC[23:58:17] <seekwill> rob0: lol[23:58:42] <seekwill> pickcoder: How about a spare server?[23:59:04] <pickcoder> I will probably grab an ancient desktop around here and make a band-aid[23:59:06] <seekwill> What if the RAM or MB fails?[23:59:44] <pickcoder> most of the machines I've built have lasted longer than they were able to be used[23:59:46] <pickcoder> they got upgraded[23:59:48] <pickcoder> and replaced[23:59:59] <pickcoder> I've never needed a full replacement box