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[00:22:06] <Knoedel2> can nobody help me ? have deactivated policyd and policyd-weight
[00:22:10] <Knoedel2> same...
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[01:09:16] <Blue_Mousey> If i have 2 servers, set with the same MX count they will both handle mail right?
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[01:10:04] <Blue_Mousey> I want to have 2 master mail servers, that both handle mail and 1 relay incase both masters are unavailable
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[02:22:47] <manofwar> h
[02:23:03] <manofwar> ...hello postfix'ers
[02:25:36] <dragonheart> gm
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[02:37:32] <bobnormal> hey i'm currently forwarding almost all of my traffic to other sites, with 1 or 2 local addresses.  i now want to add some addresses that forward to a script that can analyse them and discard / place in mysql with certain parameters (language, etc.).  whats the postfix way to do this?
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[03:09:44] <bobnormal> hey i'm currently forwarding almost all of my traffic to other sites, with 1 or 2 local addresses.  i now want to add some addresses that forward to a script that can analyse them and discard / place in mysql with certain parameters (language, etc.).  whats the postfix way to do this?  i want these addresses to be virtual (currentl using mysql for definitions), and avoid creating a unix account
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[03:40:26] <Chicago> Where do I set the maximum timeout postfix will use after the HELO to wait to send mail? It seems mail I send to servers at GoDaddy (smtp.secureserver.net) seems to disconnect while waiting.
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[03:43:07] <dpala1> Hey does anyone here know Python?
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[03:49:09] <bobnormal> dpalal: no but its pretty easy to understand, what do you need to do?
[03:49:35] <Chicago> bobnormal: He left moments after the question was posted.
[03:49:42] <bobnormal> oh yeah :) nice one
[03:49:54] <bobnormal> well if someone could respond to mine, that'd be great ;)
[03:49:58] <Chicago> Can you help me with my question ^^?
[03:50:06] <Chicago> What is your question I came in after you posted it.
[03:50:13] <bobnormal> hey i'm currently forwarding almost all of my traffic to other sites, with 1 or 2 local addresses.  i now want to add some addresses that forward to a script that can analyse them and discard / place in mysql with certain parameters (language, etc.).  whats the postfix way to do this?  i want these addresses to be virtual (currentl using mysql for definitions), and avoid creating a unix account
[03:50:50] <Chicago> bobnormal: So do you already have the virtual mail aliases setup in MySQL?
[03:50:57] <bobnormal> chicago: yep
[03:51:21] <bobnormal> chicago: but i dont know how to redirect them to non-unix accounts -- i want them to go straight to a script instead
[03:51:43] <bobnormal> chicago: aside from making another 'proxy' smtpd that acts as a gateway on the local interface, i cant figure it out
[03:51:51] <Chicago> bobnormal: I am thinking that if you take a look at Mailman's aliases definitions, you'll see how the aliases can forward to a shell script.
[03:52:00] <bobnormal> chicago: thanks :)
[03:52:31] <Chicago> bobnormal: Can you answer my question?
[03:53:31] <bobnormal> chicago: just looking .. i think, if your issue is related to outgoing mails, its probably something to do with their config .. maybe temporarily overloaded.  if it's been going on for a long time, they might be timing out on address verification (if they do that) - check to see if your mailserver receives an incoming connection from theirs to check the sender-address.  maybe it's firewalled from their ip range or something.
[03:54:23] <Chicago> The receiving end gives some reasons such as perhaps my PIX firewall discards the IP fragmentation bit or that they can't do MTU path discovery after the HELO.
[03:55:08] <bobnormal> chicago: not familiar with PIX but it could be related to that
[03:55:23] <Chicago> bobnormal: I think I need to find someone to describe how they setup their smtpd_policy_service_timeout and smtpd_policy_service_max_idle while relaying mail to GoDaddy hosted domains.
[03:55:54] <bobnormal> chicago: i will send a test message if you send me an example address, see if it works from my box
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[03:56:29] <Chicago> bobnormal: ty, but this is a mailing list server sending lots of mail through their server... the small messages get through fine.
[03:57:10] <Chicago> bobnormal: Occasionally the timeouts happen and then eventually the mail is delivered later. I am going to read SMTPD_POLICY_README and see if that makes good sense to me. :O  Plus, I shouldn't be doing this on a Friday/weekend.
[03:57:15] <Chicago> bobnormal: Oh well.
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[03:57:23] <Chicago> I guess I am still going to try and figure it out.
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[03:59:42] <bobnormal> Chicago: maybe try some of these, though defaults look generous already: smtp_data_done_timeout / smtp_data_init_timeout / smtp_data_xfer_timeout / smtp_helo_timeout / smtp_mail_timeout / smtp_quit_timeout / smtp_rcpt_timeout / smtp_rset_timeout / smtp_starttls_timeout
[04:00:24] <Chicago> bobnormal: Thanks. :) I will check it out and let you know how it works for me.
[04:00:37] <bobnormal> chicago: you could also try: tcpdump -s0 -w outfile.log 'host godaddysmtp.server and protocol tcp and port 25' ... then download the logfile and analyse with wireshark for the full conversation
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[04:01:23] <Chicago> I have a feeling I will do that too... if the IP fragmentation bit is being discarded and MTU path discovery is failing, there are a few things I should be able to do about that on my end.
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[04:02:30] <bobnormal> chicago: good luck
[04:02:37] <Chicago> ty
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[04:21:50] <bobnormal> chicago: got it working, format is |script but can't do it in virtual aliases, only other tables.  cheers for that
[04:22:10] <Chicago> cool :)
[04:28:12] <Chicago> bobnormal: For the virtual aliases, there is a way mailman handles it with postfix. Do you need to do it with virtual aliases?
[04:30:44] <bobnormal> it'd be better than redirecting to another account then redirecting to a pipe
[04:33:33] <rob0> that's how I do it. The mailman domains are virtual_alias_domains, the virtual_alias_maps point to local(8) aliases(5).
[04:34:25] <bobnormal> i think it might be an achitectural requirement of postfix
[04:34:28] <bobnormal> doesnt bother me though
[04:34:33] <bobnormal> efficiency died in the 80s
[04:34:35] <bobnormal> :)
[04:34:43] <Chicago> lol
[04:38:17] <rob0> Well, the point is that you have to be a real Unix user with a real shell if you want to run commands.
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[05:20:01] <bobnormal> rob0: apparently not, i can run commands from mail_local_aliases for a non-existant user
[05:22:03] <rob0> sigh
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[05:34:38] <bobnormal> whats so sigh about that? :)  i think its running with postfix credentials
[05:35:03] <bobnormal> which isnt the most secure, but its only running a regex or 10, accessing mysql then dying happily
[05:36:44] <bobnormal> maybe i should make 1 account that is all redirectors are aliased to, and have it regex out for the address it was originally sent to to determine which queue it should be processing for
[05:36:52] <bobnormal> that way its not processing under postfix's credentials
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[07:55:27] <iKs> Hi all !
[07:55:42] <iKs> could someone please telnet ekupa.net 25 and tell me if the server responds ?
[07:55:53] <iKs> I'm not at home and I'm trying to configure postfix_dovecot correctly
[07:56:05] <iKs> and I suspect AT&T is blocking port 25
[07:56:28] <iKs> which is why I've spent an hour trying to understand why I can't get to connect to port 25 :D
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[08:03:11] <dragonheart> iKs: works here - 220 trinity.ekupa.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
[08:07:51] <rob0> AT&T does block outbound 25.
[08:10:05] <iKs> Yep, I got someone else test the port also
[08:10:30] <iKs> Now I'm trying to find out what's the best solution so I can and other people that might use an ISP blocking port 25 can use the server to send mails..
[08:10:43] <iKs> Use another port I suppose, but which one ?
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[08:11:03] <iKs> Is there another one that's the de facto standard for that kind of hack ?
[08:11:37] <rob0> submission (587), commented example in master.cf
[08:14:02] <iKs> rob0: thanks, googling about that to understand it :)
[08:14:08] <iKs> seems to be the perfect solution indeed
[08:14:36] <rob0> !google
[08:14:37] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[08:15:38] <iKs> rob0: first solution :)
[08:15:50] <rob0> :)
[08:16:07] <iKs> rob0: just so that I understand master.cf a bit more : the first part, service, is really the port ?
[08:16:17] <rob0> yes
[08:16:21] <iKs> OK.
[08:16:21] <rob0> if it's inet
[08:16:30] <rob0> names in /etc/services
[08:16:37] <iKs> So the same smtpd (right part) but on another port (left part)
[08:16:44] <rob0> yup
[08:17:02] <iKs> rob0: is it possible to have two completely separate main.cf, or better smtp.cf and submission.cf ?
[08:17:12] <iKs> I guess there has to be an option to specify a conf file
[08:17:23] <iKs> hum..
[08:17:24] <iKs> man.
[08:18:25] <rob0> nope
[08:18:52] <rob0> but you can override some global main.cf settings with -o options in master.cf
[08:18:56] <iKs> Yep, I can't find it
[08:19:13] <iKs> OK, I'll stick to one conf file and no -o in master.cf
[08:19:18] <iKs> I don't really need it..
[08:19:38] <rob0> well, your submission port should ONLY allow auth'ed users
[08:20:07] <iKs> why can't it allow other servers trying to send mail to $mydestination ?
[08:20:10] <rob0> thus an -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
[08:20:22] <iKs> I mean.. it's not a security problem is it ?
[08:20:32] <iKs> It's not standard I guess though but.. right ?
[08:20:46] <rob0> well probably not, it COULD be, but no real MTA will send on anything but 25
[08:21:00] <iKs> so I don't really care
[08:21:08] <rob0> heck you could just redirect the port 587 to 25
[08:21:15] <rob0> a firewall fix
[08:21:23] <iKs> I could.
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[08:21:33] <iKs> Hum, let me think
[08:22:12] <rob0> AUTH only is the "right" way, but I agree, you're not likely to be exploited by spammers. Yet.
[08:22:34] <iKs> How could the exploit anything anyway, my anti-spammers rules will still apply
[08:22:38] <rob0> if juicy targets become widely available, spammers will find them
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[08:22:47] <iKs> but I'll use you're technique, only I'll overide client-restrictions
[08:22:56] <iKs> since I didn't put anything in it
[08:23:12] <iKs> I don't want to override other *restriction since they enforce RFCs, etc.
[08:23:21] <iKs> And I want clients to respect those to :D
[08:23:50] <rob0> okay, have fun, I'm out for the night.
[08:23:52] <iKs> rob0: if I reject in _client_restriction, postfix won't care about next restrictions right ? It will just reject the client ?
[08:24:15] <rob0> a reject in ANY stage means the mail is rejected, yes
[08:25:02] <rob0> each stage has to end up in a permit or "dunno" result.
[08:26:55] <iKs> Right, thanks a lot !
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[09:35:38] <weedar> Is it possible to have postfix listen on both port 25 and 587, but only allow certain specified users and/or hosts to use 587?
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[10:23:31] <dragonheart> weedar: yes. if fact its quite common. add -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject to the smtpd 587 command line in master.cf
[10:24:20] <weedar> dragonheart: thank you very much :)
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[10:54:05] <stou> hi, any ideas why some DKIM reflectors report a pass some a fail when it comes to my messages?
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[16:24:32] <hacker_112> My ISP blocks outgoing port 25, except for their own SMTP-server, can I configure postfix so that the e-mails go through the ISP:s STMP-server?
[16:24:57] <vice-versa> !relayhost
[16:24:58] <knoba> vice-versa: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[16:27:48] <vice-versa> if your isp requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid
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[16:30:02] <hacker_112> vice-versa: But would this be the same as if I would send my mail directly from my mail-program? from the ISP:s serve's point of view? or is there any difference?
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[16:31:27] <vice-versa> yes, it's basically the same in principle
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[16:33:27] <hacker_112> vice-versa: ok, then I will try it with my e-mail app and see if I can find the error, thanks for the help
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[16:42:42] <lennard> hacker_112: usually postfix will log more informative warnings than your MUA will report
[16:43:12] <hacker_112> lennard: where can I find these logs?
[16:43:21] <vice-versa> !logs
[16:43:21] <knoba> vice-versa: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[16:45:47] <hacker_112> Yup I got a lot of Warnings that says: defer service failure
[16:46:09] <rob0> !basic
[16:46:10] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[16:47:09] <vice-versa> !obvious
[16:47:10] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
[16:47:23] <vice-versa> !fish
[16:47:23] <knoba> vice-versa: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for a life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !smtpd!=smtp
[16:47:39] <rob0> !vice-versa
[16:47:39] <knoba> rob0: "vice-versa" : adv : with the order reversed; on the contrary; on opposite sides. eg: 'rob0 loathes cpm and vice-versa'
[16:47:46] <vice-versa> !rob0
[16:47:46] <knoba> vice-versa: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[16:47:52] <rob0> :)
[16:47:55] <rob0> !afk
[16:47:55] <knoba> rob0: Error: "afk" is not a valid command.
[16:48:56] <hacker_112> ^^
[16:49:29] <Signum> rob0: you suck :)
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[17:03:10] <vice-versa> !mung
[17:03:11] <knoba> vice-versa: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.
[17:03:14] <hacker_112> vice-versa: seems like I found the error, if I tried to send mails without an Sender, that is why they never reached their destination.
[17:04:47] <vice-versa> sounds plausible, depends on your configuration, regardless sending mail with invalid sender addresses is never a good idea imo
[17:08:51] <hacker_112> vice-versa: at least PHP:s mail-function, seem to skip the sender as standard
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[17:12:55] <vice-versa> hacker_112: that's because you didn't take the time to read and or fully comprehend the PHP mail function and sendmail emulation binary documentation
[17:19:16] <hacker_112> vice-versa: yes, probably. And also because it has worked before, when I had another ISP. But I have always had a FROM in the mails, but that is probably not the same as the SENDER, am I right?
[17:20:46] <vice-versa> yes, envelope and header are not the same thing
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[17:30:34] <Lethargik> hey guys, in my postfix conf mynetworks is defined as 127.0.0.0/8. My question is, what can I change that to so my local ip's (192.168.1.*) can be defines as mynetwork?
[17:31:28] <vice-versa> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.1.0/24
[17:32:13] <Lethargik> ahh, thanx
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[20:35:57] <seekwill> What do you guys do for RBL hits? Not accept the connection, or immediately 5xx them?
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[20:36:55] <vice-versa> default_rbl_reply
[20:39:22] <seekwill> ah, so you tell them why
[20:39:32] <rob0> default_rbl_reply per recipient
[20:39:58] <seekwill> Per recipient?
[20:41:28] <vice-versa> I doubt the bots are taking the time to review the reply, however a potential legit delivery that was inadvertently blocked might ;)
[20:41:46] <seekwill> yeah
[20:41:57] <rob0> it's not just a matter of taking time ... they don't even have that capability
[20:42:12] <rob0> and spammers wouldn't care
[20:42:18] <vice-versa> Ha! I knew rob0 was a spammer!
[20:42:22] <vice-versa> ;)
[20:42:30] <rob0> vice-versa
[20:43:18] <seekwill> You have to think like a spammer...
[20:45:12] <rob0> well, you can't play around in the sewer without getting some excrement on you
[20:45:47] <seekwill> eww
[20:46:08] <vice-versa> hehe
[20:48:00] <vice-versa> well I can attest to this, of the hundreds of millions positive hits on our DNSBLs we've only ever seen a handful of queries performed on the supplied URI
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[20:50:34] <vice-versa> rob0: fwiw, I've made two new mung related channel factoids, !mung and !have2mung
[20:51:00] <rob0> nice
[20:51:03] <rob0> !mung
[20:51:04] <knoba> rob0: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.
[20:51:14] <rob0> !have2mung
[20:51:14] <knoba> rob0: "have2mung" : if you absolutely have to mung details try to do so in a minimal, consistent and meaningful way. Keep in mind that this is our first look at your particular configuration and or log details and we do not have the benefit you posses about your existing configuration.
[20:52:10] <vice-versa> acceptable?
[20:52:19] <rob0> yeah, thanks
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[21:20:18] <xming_> anyone here familiar with dkim milter? verification seems to work (have Authentication-Results: dkim=paas) but signing is not working got this in the log "Aug 23 20:47:46 mail01 dkim-filter[24046]: 298192003A: no signature data", nothing more
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[23:01:33] <Ericccc> hi
[23:01:42] <vice-versa> lo
[23:01:48] <Ericccc> i installed postfix, but nmap show me that port 110 is not listenning
[23:02:00] <vice-versa> proper
[23:02:37] <shasta> postfix doesn't serve as a pop3 daemon
[23:03:35] * vice-versa hisses at shasta
[23:03:50] <vice-versa> my mouse ;)
[23:05:40] <Ericccc> ok, what is my pop3 daemon ? i installed sophos pureMessage
[23:06:53] <vice-versa> what's the package documentation say
[23:07:14] <shasta> maintaining a mailserver requires a fair amount of network-related knowledge
[23:09:19] <Ericccc> http://pminfo.sophos.com/pminfo/docs/PureMessage/5.4/pmdocs/pmdocs/concepts/GSGQuickRefMailServers.html
[23:09:40] <vice-versa> O.o
[23:09:45] <Ericccc> postfix or sendmail
[23:09:55] <Ericccc> is sendmail a pop3 server ?
[23:09:58] <shasta> no
[23:11:04] <Ericccc> wow
[23:11:10] <Ericccc> then im stuck
[23:11:28] <vice-versa> so it seems
[23:11:29] <Ericccc> when will they do a AllinOne Mail Server ?
[23:11:46] <vice-versa> never hopefully
[23:11:55] <Ericccc> I thought buying Sophos Mail Server would be easy, but it's not
[23:13:04] <Ericccc> it says "all in one" ready to use, but they don't talk about pop : http://pminfo.sophos.com/pminfo/docs/PureMessage/5.4/pmdocs/pmdocs/
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[23:13:31] <shasta> we so don't care ;-)
[23:14:27] <Ericccc> how can i read a postgre base ?
[23:14:44] <shasta> record by record
[23:14:58] <shasta> Eric, this is not a linux/unix newbie support channel
[23:15:10] <Ericccc> can you give me some pop3 server name ?
[23:15:23] <Ericccc> beleive it or not, i've been using linux for 10 years
[23:15:57] <shasta> i choose not to if i can, thanks (;
[23:16:10] <Ericccc> im just bored of qmail, and i try postfix and all his frends (sendmail/squirlmail/spamAss/amavisd)
[23:16:15] <shasta> courier-imap and dovecot are popular imap4/pop3 daemons
[23:16:22] <Ericccc> ok thanks
[23:16:31] <shasta> sendmail is postfix's friend?
[23:16:48] <shasta> sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail are all different MTAs
[23:16:57] <shasta> qmail being more different than the others
[23:17:24] <shasta> squirrelmail is a webmail, requiring imap4 access to mailboxes, doesn't give a shit what mta you use
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[23:17:55] <shasta> spamassassin is another standalone software that can be integrated with many MTAs, many different ways
[23:18:12] <shasta> so is amavis, basically
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[23:18:48] <Ericccc> yea, i have a server running with like 5 or 6 software only to deliver some mails
[23:18:58] <shasta> doh
[23:19:04] <Ericccc> it sounds crazy too me to have so many soft for only email, but it's working
[23:19:17] <shasta> whatever
[23:19:38] <Mazon> postfix + clamav + postgrey + spamassassin + roundcube + dovecot + maildrop - works like a charm :)
[23:19:53] <Ericccc> you got 7 :)
[23:20:07] <Mazon> well, could also add freshclam and clamsmtp ;)
[23:20:19] <Ericccc> how can you get email without pop3 ?
[23:20:27] <shasta> sigh
[23:20:28] <Ericccc> is LDAP a mail protocol ?
[23:20:45] <shasta> Ericccc, is google banned in your country or something?
[23:20:51] <shasta> no, ldap is not a mail protocol.
[23:21:06] <Ericccc> is there any mail server called " /.emailServer start      with a nice web admin panel ?
[23:21:14] <shasta> ROTFL
[23:21:22] <Ericccc> i want to create it
[23:21:38] <Ericccc> a one only file, running a web server, just like Shoutcast :)
[23:21:39] <vice-versa> yeah good luck with that
[23:22:00] <Ericccc> or just like a ftp server
[23:22:11] <Ericccc> storing passwords and conf in a file, and emails in dirs
[23:22:39] <xming> M$ Excahnge does all this in one package, very neat ;)
[23:22:45] <Ericccc> email server seems to be the most diffucult part to install on my server
[23:22:56] <Ericccc> yea, windows..
[23:23:30] <shasta> that's what you want - point and click, no?
[23:23:46] <xming> it's pop/imap/mapi/smtp/nntp/... all-in-one
[23:23:59] <Ericccc> no i want a 1 process only mail server
[23:24:09] <Ericccc> on linux :)
[23:24:18] <xming> 1 process w/o forking nor threading server FTW :D
[23:24:39] <Ericccc> just like shoutcast handles 1500 users in 1 only process
[23:24:56] <shasta> right
[23:25:00] <Ericccc> 2 files, 1 process :)
[23:25:18] <shasta> no problems, go read some rfcs and write your own, good luck
[23:25:49] <Ericccc> actually i got 250 files running postfix and his friends, and it is slow, and it looks like it do mails one by one
[23:26:28] <xming> I agree, postfix is slow, when I had 250K mail in the incoming queue due to spamming, postfix is dog slow
[23:26:41] <xming> exim is a lot better at that
[23:26:45] <Ericccc> why postfix doesn't handle pop3 ?
[23:27:05] <shasta> oh my
[23:27:08] <xming> why doesn't the bakery sell meat?
[23:27:23] <nerbie69> germs?
[23:27:30] * nerbie69 ducks.
[23:27:53] <xming> exactly, we don't want postfix with virii :)
[23:28:13] <xming> handling POP3 mean archiving virii/worms
[23:28:32] * xming is having fun
[23:28:38] <vice-versa> because it would cease to be a bakery and become a deli
[23:29:00] <Ericccc> what is the use of postfix ALONE ?
[23:29:06] <xming> or vice-versa
[23:29:09] <vice-versa> MTA
[23:29:23] <nerbie69> well i have an easy one.  i have one VPS account, so it will house both apache and postfix for email.  since i'm going to host 2 domains, in postfix terms am i setting up a virtual alias?
[23:29:23] <xming> Meat Transporting Acid
[23:29:45] <xming> or was iut Meat TRansmitting Acid?
[23:30:06] <vice-versa> Meat Teleporting Agent
[23:30:15] <Ericccc> postfix without pop3, means receiving emails but nobody can't get theym ?
[23:30:25] <Ericccc> i don't understand
[23:30:31] <vice-versa> clearly
[23:30:32] <shasta> we can see, Ericccc
[23:30:37] <xming> nerbie69: depends, both can be local too
[23:31:04] <xming> I us postcat /var/spool/postfix/* to read mails
[23:31:14] <Ericccc> waht can i do with postfix ALONE ? (with no other soft) ?
[23:31:32] <shasta> exactly what MTAs are supposed to do
[23:31:32] <xming> Ericccc: receive and send mails
[23:31:38] <shasta> TRANSPORTING emails
[23:31:56] <xming> TELEPORTING emails?
[23:32:25] <xming> Ericccc: do MTA/MDA/MUA say anything to you?
[23:32:41] <Ericccc> but how the human user can open and look his emails from postfix alone ?
[23:32:51] <Ericccc> yes MTA
[23:32:58] <xming> Ericccc: postcat <queue file>
[23:33:11] <vice-versa> mutt
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[23:33:24] <Ericccc> ok, so it means it store email, and i can read theym in linux command ?
[23:34:01] <xming> Eyou need MTA + MDA + MUA for reading and sending mails ala outlook/thunderbird/....
[23:34:07] <xming> Ericccc: you need MTA + MDA + MUA for reading and sending mails ala outlook/thunderbird/....
[23:34:37] <Ericccc> yea, thats makes MailServer complex
[23:34:46] <vice-versa> see less(1)
[23:34:58] <xming> mail server is sooooo simple till you get spamed to death
[23:35:05] <Ericccc> hopefully, web(apache), ftp, mysql are standalone working
[23:35:14] <Ericccc> only mail needs multiple softs
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[23:35:38] <xming> I don't see you compaing that hhtp and ftp are 2 softs
[23:35:45] <xming> ISS do that with one :D
[23:35:48] <Ericccc> xming : you mean the spam made MailServers complex ?
[23:36:27] <nerbie69> xming: if i want info at example1 dot com to be seperate from info at example2 dot com then i should use virtual right?
[23:36:35] <xming> Ericccc: wait till you have spam and you have 250K mails in the queue and you don't know what's spam and what's ham :D
[23:37:00] <shasta> ye, like he knows what a queue is...
[23:37:03] <xming> nerbie69: yes, but I never use virtual
[23:38:22] <xming> nerbie69: I use dbamil for pop/imap, so I use transport map to deliver them, to postfix, it's just relaying
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[23:40:01] <nerbie69> xming: mind if i check my understanding.  i have a rails app that needs to send signup authentication emails.  I'll also want to have info at example1 dot com and info at example2 dot com  It sounds like i may need something else to go along with postfix eh?
[23:40:46] <xming> nerbie69: for sending or receiving?
[23:41:50] <nerbie69> both i guess.  sorry to be simplistic, but i'll send and recieve from thunderbird, through this new server.  sorry to be noobish
[23:42:37] <vice-versa> !tell nerbie69 basic
[23:43:47] <xming> nerbie69: well you need MTA + MDA + MUA :)
[23:44:19] <xming> nerbie69: MTA for sending, MTA + MDA + MUA for receiving
[23:44:30] <nerbie69> thanks vice-versa and thanks xming once i saw you giving it to that last guy, i thought shoot, i'm gonna be him next. :_)
[23:44:34] <nerbie69> :-) even
[23:45:06] <xming> :)
[23:47:11] <vice-versa> nothing like a good ASCII pummelling to idle away the afternoon
[23:50:56] <Ericccc> ok, so is it normal that postfix alone can not receive, neither send email ?
[23:51:20] <shasta> no, by default it can both receive and send emails
[23:51:28] <vice-versa> wtf, that's it's primary task
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