August 15, 2008 
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August 15, 2008 [00:06:48] *** McJerry has quit IRC[00:14:44] *** xpoint has quit IRC[00:15:47] *** Bagualas has quit IRC[00:25:44] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[00:26:54] *** roe_ has quit IRC[00:26:56] *** bimbomio has joined #postfix[00:27:45] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[00:29:18] *** gcleric has quit IRC[00:30:42] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[00:32:22] *** gcleric has quit IRC[00:32:32] *** Draecos has quit IRC[00:36:31] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[00:37:22] *** gcleric has quit IRC[00:38:39] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[00:38:47] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[00:39:16] *** gcleric has quit IRC[00:40:32] *** JoeWulf has quit IRC[00:40:36] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[00:47:51] *** gcleric has quit IRC[00:48:57] *** roe_ has quit IRC[00:51:23] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[00:51:25] *** Tykling has left #postfix[00:51:31] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[00:52:23] *** gbr has joined #postfix[00:52:39] <gbr> Is there any way to see if your mailserver is hacked and sends spam?[00:53:00] <gbr> Aug 15 00:51:34 quad postfix/smtp[25166]: 780BDA1A18F: to=<psychl at badpidgeon dot com>, relay=none, delay=109477, delays=109327/0.01/150/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mx5.badpidgeon.com[64.34.183.83]:25: Connection timed out)[00:53:04] <gbr> I have that in my log and I haven't sent that mail.[00:58:52] *** car_watt has quit IRC[01:03:55] <jeev> maybe it was a bounce[01:04:27] *** cilly has quit IRC[01:06:05] <vice-versa> gbr: if it's still in your deferred queue, postcat the queue id and check it out[01:07:26] <vice-versa> grep the queue id in your logs as well[01:07:57] *** gcleric has quit IRC[01:08:02] <gbr> hmm[01:08:19] <gbr> seems like its false alarm[01:08:25] <gbr> its just incoming mails..[01:08:46] <gbr> incoming spammails[01:20:02] *** cipherz has quit IRC[01:21:17] *** cipherz has joined #postfix[01:25:15] *** cipherz has quit IRC[01:25:27] *** cipherz has joined #postfix[01:27:40] *** cipherz has quit IRC[01:27:50] *** cipherz has joined #postfix[01:28:05] *** magyar has joined #postfix[01:28:54] *** war9407 has quit IRC[01:31:59] *** bimbomio has quit IRC[01:49:24] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[01:51:46] *** gbr has quit IRC[01:56:58] *** garbage has joined #postfix[01:58:50] *** cipherz has quit IRC[01:58:59] *** garbage has left #postfix[02:03:27] *** pirho has quit IRC[02:04:28] *** GoGi has quit IRC[02:15:56] *** adaptr_work has quit IRC[02:16:09] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[02:23:24] *** hever has quit IRC[02:38:42] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[02:49:42] *** felix-da-catz_zz is now known as felix-da-catz[02:55:04] <piksi> argh, what am i doign wrong - i used well working my old configs for postfix + amavisd-new + spamassassin and now postfix complains at startup "master.cf maildrop bad transport type user=vmail"[02:55:14] <piksi> i can't even remember if my old system had such user at all[02:55:50] <piksi> is it safe to run maildrop as suid (the only proposition i've seen for that problem.......) ?[02:59:15] *** githogori has quit IRC[03:10:56] *** JoeWulf has joined #postfix[03:15:48] *** jamesdean44 has joined #postfix[03:17:02] *** F6F has quit IRC[03:17:50] *** F6F has joined #postfix[03:17:57] <jamesdean44> Hi, can anyone look at my master.cf http://pastebin.com/d4852d053, my outgoing mail is being rescaned, how can I turn off scanning of outgoing mail ?[03:36:20] *** darknighter has joined #postfix[03:57:43] *** jamesdean44 has left #postfix[03:58:37] *** mavrick61 has quit IRC[03:59:43] *** mavrick61 has joined #postfix[04:00:14] *** haboot has joined #postfix[04:12:00] <idle-boy> !sender_bcc_maps[04:12:00] <knoba> idle-boy: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.[04:13:59] <idle-boy> !always_bcc[04:14:00] <knoba> idle-boy: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.[04:15:36] <magyar> hi, what is the difference between 550 and 554 ?[04:15:46] *** felix-da-catz is now known as felix-da-catz_zz[04:16:42] <magyar> hmm, i mean in reject code language[04:17:33] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|bbl[04:17:40] <magyar> from what i know is 55x is a permenant reject[04:17:47] <rob0> 5xx[04:18:17] <magyar> k, so they mean same thing[04:18:19] <magyar> ?[04:18:23] <magyar> 550 and 554[04:19:50] <rob0> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2821#section-4.2[04:24:24] *** felix-da-catz_zz is now known as felix-da-catz[04:44:49] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[04:46:01] *** gonewestcoast has quit IRC[04:54:42] *** haboot has quit IRC[05:01:36] <magyar> rob0: is it prefered to make changes to default reject codes in postfix?[05:11:29] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[05:16:08] *** felix-da-catz is now known as felix-da-catz_zz[05:16:29] *** goldfischli has joined #postfix[05:21:05] *** gonewestcoast has joined #postfix[05:26:32] *** patbam has joined #postfix[05:27:52] <patbam> hello. is it possible add a line like "foo at example dot com bar+baz at qux dot com" to /etc/postfix/virtual ? it seems that +baz is being deleted for me (but the mail gets to bar at qux dot com)[05:32:38] *** goldfisc1li has quit IRC[05:38:00] <patbam> propagate_unmatched_extensions ahah.[05:39:25] *** gonewestcoast has quit IRC[05:51:14] *** daemoen has quit IRC[06:03:59] *** gonewestcoast has joined #postfix[06:04:42] *** Zelest has quit IRC[06:09:43] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[06:18:32] *** subq has quit IRC[06:33:12] *** felix-da-catz_zz has quit IRC[06:40:09] *** githogori has joined #postfix[06:41:16] *** gonewestcoast has quit IRC[06:46:20] *** igorw has joined #postfix[06:51:38] <igorw> hey guys, i am looking for a local delivery agent that can communicate with ldap.. i've tried courier maildrop with a major failure[06:53:55] *** patbam has left #postfix[06:55:16] <pickcoder> igorw: how does ldap fit into the delivery agent?[06:58:01] <igorw> gets the name of the local recipient[06:59:43] <igorw> the postfix is set up to get the name of local recipient from ldap, but i am not sure how to pass it to local delivery agent[07:00:29] <pickcoder> I don't understand what the local delivery agent has to do with LDAP though[07:00:44] <pickcoder> the local delivery agent gets it from postfix[07:00:46] <pickcoder> !local[07:00:47] <knoba> pickcoder: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.[07:01:05] <pickcoder> !mailbox_command[07:01:05] <knoba> pickcoder: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.[07:02:36] <igorw> basically we've got all emails and aliases stored on ldap (that is the plan), so there is no users in /etc/passwd[07:03:22] <igorw> !local_transport[07:03:23] <knoba> igorw: "local_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport for local destinations. A recipient address is local when its domain matches $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.[07:05:24] <igorw> how'd lda get it from postfix? is it set up in master.cf??[07:06:47] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[07:17:13] *** echelog has joined #postfix[07:21:53] *** AllenJB_ has joined #postfix[07:33:39] *** AllenJB has quit IRC[07:44:41] *** tengulre has joined #postfix[07:46:10] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[07:52:07] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[08:00:35] *** darknighter has quit IRC[08:03:59] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:05:24] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC[08:07:58] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[08:07:58] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[08:11:46] *** felix-da-catz_zz has joined #postfix[08:15:55] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:16:27] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:16:43] *** skor has quit IRC[08:16:46] *** skor_ has joined #postfix[08:19:39] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:27:37] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[08:39:34] *** ^shark_ has joined #postfix[08:39:41] <^shark_> i use postfix so want to limit sme users to send mail of specific size while others have unlimited[08:47:04] *** gonewestcoast has joined #postfix[08:48:35] *** cilly has joined #postfix[08:48:55] *** gonewestcoast has quit IRC[08:55:58] *** j_s has joined #postfix[09:08:06] *** Spec has quit IRC[09:09:19] <f3ew> ^shark_ policy daemon[09:09:30] *** F6F has quit IRC[09:09:43] *** F6F has joined #postfix[09:10:40] <^shark_> ok let me read about this then revert[09:14:31] *** AllenJB_ is now known as AllenJB[09:22:39] <^shark_> f3ew: I found "ACL Policy Daemon for Postfix" at http://www.apolicy.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi and seems to fit my requirement, thanks[09:28:56] *** Niemi has quit IRC[09:30:11] *** amrit|bbl is now known as amrit|zzz[09:38:15] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:43:19] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[09:57:18] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[10:02:46] *** jeffspeff has quit IRC[10:21:15] *** Draecos has quit IRC[10:22:30] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[10:34:38] *** pitakill has quit IRC[10:41:42] *** jonez has quit IRC[10:51:11] *** AdvoWork has joined #postfix[10:51:24] <AdvoWork> Hi there, has anyone ever come across this problem before? 550-Unrouteable address 550 Sender verify failed ?[10:58:15] *** madrescher has quit IRC[11:01:13] <Roobarb> AdvoWork: can't say I have[11:01:25] <Roobarb> AdvoWork: whats the address?[11:01:58] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[11:02:56] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[11:03:10] <AdvoWork> its going to an email address that i know works as ive manually sent one to it aswell :s[11:03:32] <Roobarb> what doe the resrt of the logs for that message say?[11:03:35] <Roobarb> *rest[11:03:41] <AdvoWork> it seems its just from my php(mail() function) heres the complete error:[11:03:42] <AdvoWork> Aug 15 09:46:55 router postfix/smtp[5594]: 1A10E50A408D: to=<test.test at test dot com>, relay=mail.borble.com[79.170.40.27]:25, delay=0.58, delays=0.04/0.01/0.39/0.14, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mail.test.com[IP] said: 550-Verification failed for <www-data@mydomain> 550-Unrouteable address 550 Sender verify failed (in reply to RCPT TO command))[11:04:46] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[11:07:09] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[11:12:56] <Roobarb> AdvoWork: do you run mail.test.com ? The one listed in the ()[11:15:54] *** bimbomio has joined #postfix[11:18:10] <AdvoWork> no, thats the server of the emailaddy im sending to, if you get me?[11:24:37] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[11:25:22] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[11:26:57] *** YuLin has joined #postfix[11:27:16] <YuLin> hello[11:27:17] <YuLin> :)[11:27:31] *** gcleric has quit IRC[11:27:44] <YuLin> could someone give me an example of command line to send a mail using postfix sendmail?[11:28:44] <xpoint> sendmail -h[11:28:52] <xpoint> man sendmail[11:28:55] <philip_> sendmail big at boss dot com[11:29:00] <philip_> type your text[11:29:03] <philip_> hit ctrl-d[11:29:12] <philip_> on a single empty line, that is[11:29:20] <xpoint> sendmail -f root root < msg[11:29:22] <philip_> sendmail big at boss dot com < file[11:29:26] <philip_> works too[11:29:30] <philip_> xpoint :)[11:30:02] *** ^shark_ has quit IRC[11:30:03] *** tshine has quit IRC[11:32:39] *** bsh has joined #postfix[11:32:58] <bsh> hello[11:37:53] <YuLin> ok thanx[11:38:36] <bsh> i have this error when restarting postfix: http://pastebin.com/d42f995f2[11:38:58] <bsh> can anyone tell me what's wrong with that line please? i'm on ubuntu 7.04-i386[11:41:54] <Roobarb> bsh: that line should be in master.cf, not main.cf[11:42:13] <bsh> it's in master cf too[11:42:23] <Roobarb> well take it out of main.cf[11:42:28] <bsh> ok[11:42:39] <Roobarb> bsh: that line should ONLY be in master.cf, not main.cf[11:42:45] <bsh> ok[11:42:47] <bsh> i take it out[11:42:57] <bsh> i made this following a howto :([11:45:34] <bsh> oh cool :)[11:45:38] <bsh> that was easy :)[11:45:43] <bsh> thanks a lot[11:50:00] *** cpm has joined #postfix[11:54:51] *** YuLin has quit IRC[12:02:52] <bsh> bye[12:02:59] *** bsh has left #postfix[12:10:37] <AdvoWork> anyone know anything about tender verification?[12:13:30] *** Haris1 has joined #postfix[12:15:19] <AdvoWork> t/s[12:18:09] <AdvoWork> im sending emails with php, and setting the FROM address, yet it still seems to be using the normal one, which is www-data at mydomain dot com (this doesnt exist) and it says localhost. Where is the setting to change that?[12:22:54] *** tengulre has quit IRC[12:24:41] <cite> AdvoWork: In php.ini, set your sendmail to something like sendmail -f <virtualhost@your-server>, redirect mails for virtualhost@your-server to the person managing that virtual host.[12:28:46] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[12:30:40] *** g0rd0n has joined #postfix[12:34:09] *** Kako has joined #postfix[12:34:14] *** rootsvr_ has joined #postfix[12:34:48] <g0rd0n> hi! i'm having pretty big delays in mail delivery, even if the load is very low[12:34:53] <g0rd0n> messages take about 10 minutes[12:35:02] <g0rd0n> delay=588 <- from mail.info logfile[12:35:10] <g0rd0n> what could be the problem?[12:47:56] <cpm> dns issues perhaps?[12:50:47] <f3ew> http://studentsfororwell.org/shirt/sos_shirt.png @ cpm[12:51:15] <cpm> f3ew, very nice.[12:51:38] <f3ew> I like that one best amongst the submissions[12:52:29] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[12:59:52] <cpm> Yeah, well, that's because it is the best one.[12:59:53] <cpm> :)[12:59:59] *** songyun has joined #postfix[13:00:46] <songyun> Hi, I manually delete all the lines under /var/log/mail mail.info mail.err, I just want to clean the log files. but after this action, sendmail will not write any logs to /var/log/mail etc. I even tried to service postfix restart/reload etc.. will not fix this problem. any ideas?[13:03:45] *** rootsvr_ has quit IRC[13:06:56] <cpm> restart syslogd[13:07:15] <cpm> postfix != sendmail, , btw[13:07:53] <songyun> cpm, thank you very much for the answer. it works.[13:08:03] <cpm> yw[13:09:00] <songyun> cpm, Is sendmail the sending mail commandline for postfix daemon? no?[13:09:21] <cpm> no.[13:09:44] <cpm> postfix provides a sendmail binary. But this should not be running as a daemon.[13:09:55] <cpm> if you have a sendmail daemon running, , you have issues.[13:10:12] <songyun> cpm, I don't have sendmail service at all.[13:10:26] <songyun> cpm, i just use sendmail command to send mails via command line..[13:10:46] <cpm> k[13:11:53] <cpm> f3ew, the ingsoc now one isn't bad, but the 'shirt is white' is the beset[13:13:45] <songyun> cpm, by the way, I have a stupid problem in sending emails now. hope I can ask you questions if you have time. I run postfix daemon inside my company's NAT. I can use sendmail commandline to send emails to any other global mail addresses. but I can not send email to my company's email. it seems that my company doesn't setup the domain mx records something like that properly internally. so that when I send mail, it try to connect local IP (resolved by l[13:13:45] <songyun> ocal dns domain) which is a local DNS server with its 25 port. the dns server doesn't have 25 port opened. thus it's failed with connection refused. how to fix this problem?[13:14:09] <f3ew> yup[13:14:33] <songyun> I hope I am clear...[13:16:03] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[13:16:16] <cpm> songyun, if there is no MX record for the delivery domain, (to the right of the @-sign) mail will attempt to deliver to the A record of the domain.[13:16:21] <cpm> that's how it works.[13:16:54] <cpm> so, if there is no MX, and the A record for the domain is the dns server, which isn't running smtpd, then it will fail.[13:17:43] <songyun> cpm, I am new to this area. Righ now, in the log files, i can see error message like (connect to 172.16.0.131:25, connection refused). the ip 172.16.0.131 is actually DNS server. and it's the domain name ip address.[13:20:01] <songyun> cpm, the workaround that I can think it's asked the postfix daemon /sendmail command to use another gloabl DNS server instead of the local one configured under /etc/resolv.conf. is this one of solutions? if so, how can I configure this?[13:20:19] *** Aron has joined #postfix[13:21:07] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[13:22:58] <piksi> can anyone tell me an understandable reason why my ubuntu server postfix confs work perfectly but when i installed same on centos i get: master.cf: maildrop bad transport type user=vmail[13:23:23] <piksi> iirc i didn't have any vmail users or such added in my old installation either, and i'm not sure if i should have[13:23:39] <piksi> googling didn't yield anything i could grasp onto[13:23:48] <Aron> I created a virtual domain / user setup with MySQL support, but can't seem to get my mail transports to work. I want to create a single noreply e-mailaddress, but simply cannot get it to work[13:24:12] <Aron> Any ideas how to get started on setting up a noreply / bounce via the transport?[13:28:56] *** miobimbo has joined #postfix[13:31:21] *** jwit has quit IRC[13:31:40] <vice-versa> !tell piksi vmail[13:32:03] *** jwit has joined #postfix[13:32:31] <Aron> Does anyone know how I bounce e-mail for a single e-mailadress? IE. noreply at mydomain dot com[13:32:38] *** bimbomio has quit IRC[13:34:33] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[13:34:41] *** Muppet-Boy has joined #postfix[13:35:08] <vice-versa> piksi: the maildrop/vmail you're seeing mentioned in master.cf is usually commented out, see http://www.postfix.org/MAILDROP_README.html for what this is used for[13:36:31] <Muppet-Boy> heya.. suggestions needed please, an email showing in mail.log as received and delivered into my maildir, isnt showing in my inbox... any ideas what has gone wrong? other emails are fine[13:40:52] <cpm> Aron, bounce?[13:41:47] *** PcPixel has joined #postfix[13:42:29] <Aron> cpm: ?[13:42:42] <Aron> cpm: I read something about a bounce service, but simply can't figure it out[13:43:11] <Aron> My best bet was to add noreply@domain to the transport table with bounce as a transport[13:43:35] <PcPixel> morning all! :)[13:43:37] <Aron> Also, I have a @domain catch-all on this domain; so all e-mail, including the noreply is still being send to me[13:43:48] <Aron> (which is not supposed to happen)[13:43:53] <Aron> Morning, PcPixel[13:44:16] <Muppet-Boy> hey PcPixel[13:44:24] <PcPixel> my new main.cf is kicking ass :)[13:44:36] <Muppet-Boy> kool[13:45:02] <piksi> vice-versa: ah ok, thanks for clarification on the subject[13:45:16] <cpm> Aron, why do you want to generate a bounce?[13:45:45] <Aron> cpm: I've got a webapplication that sends automated message to clients with the emailadress noreply@domain[13:46:02] <Aron> obviously, this is a send-only e-mailadress, and clients are not supposed to respond to it[13:46:06] <PcPixel> vice-cersa: thank you for all the help. im going to monitor for a few days & ultimately remove those 3 "spammers" checks my boss had.[13:46:41] <cpm> right, and if you accept mail to it, then bounce the mail, then you allow others to use that address to generate joe-job spam backscatter. Bad idea.[13:46:41] <f3ew> Aron just use a check_recipient_address and reject it[13:46:45] <cpm> Just reject it.[13:47:05] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[13:47:07] *** Vivek has joined #postfix[13:51:53] <PcPixel> bbiab. back up rotation to do[13:53:06] <Aron> cpm: make's sense. So how do I simply reject it?[13:54:08] <vice-versa> !check_recipient_access[13:54:09] <knoba> vice-versa: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.[13:55:21] <vice-versa> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions[13:55:21] <knoba> vice-versa: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.[13:55:32] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[13:57:33] <cpm> !cheatsheet[13:57:34] <knoba> cpm: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.[13:58:55] <vice-versa> !access[13:58:56] <knoba> vice-versa: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[13:59:36] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[14:00:06] <Aron> Thanks for the info. If I understand correctly, is it possible to add the following line to my smtpd_recipient_restrictions parameter in main.cf ?[14:00:41] <Aron> check_recipient_access proxy:mysql:/path/to/user_mapping[14:01:32] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[14:01:48] *** war9407 has quit IRC[14:02:25] <PcPixel> morning vice-cersa[14:02:28] <PcPixel> versa even[14:02:56] *** cilly has quit IRC[14:02:58] <vice-versa> morning[14:03:46] <PcPixel> im relaying for ~7 unique domains. is there a way to have postfix insert a default signature that reads something like: "To report email problems, mail postmaster@<the company i relayed for>"?[14:07:34] *** songyun has quit IRC[14:07:47] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[14:07:58] * cpm mumbles 'don't do it!'[14:08:08] <PcPixel> why not[14:08:17] <PcPixel> and dont do it is a fine answer :)[14:09:05] <Aron> knoba, vice-versa: thanks for your help and for the fact you did not reply to my stupid last question :) I figured it out now[14:09:10] <Aron> thanks![14:09:36] *** gcleric has quit IRC[14:10:32] <PcPixel> the reason i ask is, we've had complaints about valid mail rejected. i figured if i atach that to all outbound mail then it will sink into enough of the client to use it to report a problem[14:13:13] <PcPixel> brb.[14:14:17] <vice-versa> Aron: np, fwiw I wasn't ignoring you, I'm on the clock now so I have to pay attention to the duties I'm paid to first ;)[14:14:38] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[14:15:18] *** AdvoWork has quit IRC[14:15:50] <Aron> hehe, I understand; same here :)[14:18:27] *** Internat has quit IRC[14:18:45] *** Internat has joined #postfix[14:20:54] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[14:23:46] *** Internat has quit IRC[14:24:12] *** Internat has joined #postfix[14:25:37] <vice-versa> PcPixel: I wouldn't do that either, avoid altering messages unless absolutely necessary, like having some legal liability which mandates the use of disclaimers[14:26:06] <vice-versa> which btw I think is useless too as I can't see them being legally binding, but I'm not a lawyer so wtf do I know[14:29:25] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[14:30:01] *** Acoon_ has joined #postfix[14:30:54] <Acoon_> I'm using auth to let my useres use me as relay. Is it possible to tell postfix that users are only allowed to relay X emaisl a day?[14:31:05] <Muppet-Boy> suggestions needed please, an email showing in mail.log as received and delivered into my maildir, isnt showing in my inbox... any ideas what has gone wrong? other emails are fine[14:31:27] <e_> hm.. i don't understand the outbound dkimproxy thing on the website.. to only sign from auth'ed users, he uses the "submission" port to trigger the dkimproxy.. but that doesn't involve calling sendmail, does it?[14:34:05] <vice-versa> Muppet-Boy: inbox as in the mua?[14:34:11] <PcPixel> vice-versa: ok. then ill tell them to do it manually.[14:34:33] <PcPixel> that if they want the alert to alter their own signatures to include it.[14:34:43] <Muppet-Boy> vice-versa, mua?? i mean the email client inbox[14:34:54] <vice-versa> !mua[14:34:54] <knoba> vice-versa: "mua" : short for Mail User Agent and means the same as email client program . By the way: Postfix is not an MUA but an MTA (mail transfer agent). An example is mutt or Thunderbird[14:35:26] <vice-versa> Muppet-Boy: filter in the mua maybe?[14:35:41] <Muppet-Boy> yes sorry, just looked on wiki ;)[14:36:08] <Muppet-Boy> vice-versa, no, definitely not, i have done a intensive search[14:36:16] <Muppet-Boy> so i'm sure[14:38:10] <vice-versa> PcPixel: or have them create a link on their website contact page, if any, about email delivery issues and send to postmater@... blah blah blah[14:39:05] <vice-versa> Muppet-Boy: that search include checking they actual maildir[14:39:15] <vice-versa> s/they/the/[14:39:39] <Acoon_> isn't it possible to limit the amount of emails a user can send?[14:40:02] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[14:40:08] <Muppet-Boy> vice-versa, no i dont know how to do that? i searched by subject within the inbox and all subfolders, i know what the subject was[14:40:55] <vice-versa> grep?[14:42:05] <Muppet-Boy> grep which file? (sorry)[14:43:18] <vice-versa> surely you would want a wildcard in this case[14:43:43] *** Haris has quit IRC[14:44:45] <PcPixel> vice-versa: what was that web site that you gave me that rated the rhsbl lists?[14:45:21] <vice-versa> www.dnsbl.com ?[14:47:52] <vice-versa> Muppet-Boy: something like, grep -ir 'some useful string' /path/to/the/.maildir/*[14:48:44] <Muppet-Boy> vice-versa, thanks will try :)[14:53:34] <PcPixel> vice: thanks. my boss was asking about those ones you gave me and how they rate.[14:53:49] <PcPixel> vice: with this reworked main.cf i've gained an additional 2% rejection[14:55:00] <vice-versa> but what's 2%, 10, 100, 10,000?[14:55:53] <PcPixel> lesse[14:55:57] * PcPixel runs stats[14:56:47] <PcPixel> if im reading it right, since midnight this morning: 14,617 total mails - 1,608 accepted 13,009 rejected[14:57:14] <Muppet-Boy> back in a bit guys, thanks for ur help vice-versa[14:57:20] <vice-versa> np[14:57:24] *** plaerzen has quit IRC[14:57:33] * vice-versa goes for 100% rejection[14:57:36] <vice-versa> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject[14:57:43] *** Muppet-Boy has quit IRC[14:58:56] *** Kako is now known as Kako_[14:59:23] <PcPixel> i wish lol[15:00:29] <PcPixel> vice-versa: and youre correct. I'm not findind anything with his checks[15:00:59] <vice-versa> ;)[15:01:44] <PcPixel> vice: i excpeted that. and hes kinda shocked[15:01:50] <PcPixel> vice: oh, and i got that trick i wanted to work[15:02:05] <PcPixel> where it bypasses the reject_unknown_helo_hostname but lets everything else run[15:03:13] <vice-versa> I caught bits & pieces of that yesterday, summarize the issue and resolve[15:05:46] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:07:09] *** Haris__ has joined #postfix[15:08:37] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[15:09:03] <PcPixel> vice: the problem was i needed to greenlight certain machines to bypass the reject_unknown_helo_hostname but still perform the rest of the checks[15:09:25] <PcPixel> solution was to go to a CIDR map and use WARN. the catch all of 0.0.0.0/0 sends all other clients through the rest of the checks[15:09:50] <PcPixel> so the cidr map has: a.b.c.d WARN this host isnt verified, but is ok[15:09:58] <PcPixel> 0.0.0.0/0 check_for_valid_client[15:10:06] <PcPixel> and it works great[15:10:20] <vice-versa> nice[15:11:32] <PcPixel> yup :) im pretty pleased w myself on that one :P[15:12:17] * vice-versa gives PcPixel a gold star[15:13:12] <vice-versa> couple more and you'll have your Postfix merit badge ;)[15:14:31] <PcPixel> YAY!!![15:15:58] *** Haris_______ has joined #postfix[15:16:05] <PcPixel> i owe this room a lot[15:16:12] <PcPixel> and the two reference books too[15:16:45] * f3ew sends PcPixel a bill[15:19:14] <PcPixel> hehe[15:19:26] <PcPixel> if i had any spare $$ right now, i would totally make a donation to freenode[15:20:42] *** noodl has joined #postfix[15:22:46] <noodl> hi. can anyone point me to a comparison of dovecot vs courier vs cyrus vs other, please? google just seems to give "i've only used this one and its nice" results :)[15:25:46] *** g0rd0n has quit IRC[15:29:08] *** bimbomio has joined #postfix[15:35:03] *** Haris__ has quit IRC[15:35:18] *** Haris__ has joined #postfix[15:35:45] *** havvg has joined #postfix[15:38:32] *** Haris_______ has quit IRC[15:42:20] *** miobimbo has quit IRC[15:50:04] <e_> hm.. what do you guys think is the best way to use dkim to sign mails? so far i've only seen the modified submission service, but that would mean all clients have to use a nonstandard smtp port to send mail..[15:51:05] *** GoGi has joined #postfix[15:52:44] *** Spec has joined #postfix[15:53:26] *** bimbomio has quit IRC[15:53:46] *** seekwill has quit IRC[15:53:53] <e_> ah... policyd "filter" action[15:55:23] *** adaptr_ has joined #postfix[15:57:47] <vice-versa> e_: I created a selinux factoid based loosely on your input yesterday, care to critique it for correctness?[15:58:51] *** magyar has quit IRC[15:58:58] *** magyar has joined #postfix[15:59:13] <e_> vice-versa: uhm, sure[15:59:19] <vice-versa> !selinux[15:59:19] <knoba> vice-versa: "selinux" : To test if selinux is enabled, as root, /usr/sbin/sestatus -v | to test if selinux is your problem temporarily disable it with setenforce 0, try postfix running again, setenforce 1 to restore selinux. If postfix ran with selinux mode off, try fixfiles restore /etc/postfix, if no joy after that consult your system documentation.[15:59:55] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[15:59:56] <e_> looks fine[16:00:02] <e_> i never used sestatus though, only getenforce[16:00:18] *** Niklas- has quit IRC[16:00:23] *** Niklas- has joined #postfix[16:00:33] <vice-versa> e_: ok, thanks[16:00:47] <e_> and before running fixfiles restore /etc/postfix i'd personally run fixfiles check /etc/postfix first to actually identify the problem, but just running restore right away might be better if you don't really know what you are doing selinux-wise..[16:00:56] <e_> np[16:01:44] <vice-versa> yeah that's why I left it out, less confusion ;)[16:02:05] <e_> right :)[16:04:39] <e_> hmm.. okay now i'm trying to have policyd work on all mail, coming from both external smtp, auth'ed external smtp and internal pickup... how do i use check_policy_service in my main.cf?[16:06:56] <vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_POLICY_README.html[16:07:26] <e_> yeah have that open already, it seems that it doesn't work for mail that i send from the local machine with mail/sendmail[16:07:56] <e_> i have the check_policy_service both in smtpd_recipient_restrictions and smtpd_end_of_data_restrictions[16:08:00] <e_> (at the very end)[16:12:22] *** adaptr has quit IRC[16:13:53] <vice-versa> e_: local submissions don't use the smtpd daemon[16:14:30] <vice-versa> goes directly to the maildrop queue iirc[16:15:28] <e_> vice-versa: mh, but how do i get it to be processed by a filter?[16:16:09] <PcPixel> vice: just did a quick check lol - 4 emails using his hashes/maps were found all day lol[16:16:53] <vice-versa> :)[16:17:02] <vice-versa> e_: yup, http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html confirms this, not sure tbo, might be something of use in that documentation[16:20:39] <e_> dangit.. i just want dkimproxy to sign outgoing mail :/[16:21:20] <e_> ahm.. okay, i could give pickup -o content_filter[16:22:29] *** jonez has joined #postfix[16:22:44] <e_> awsome, that worked[16:24:40] *** dusty_ has joined #postfix[16:25:18] <dusty_> Hey guys I am using postfix and Spam Assasin, all mail that gets tagged as spam, and comes into the inbox, is there a way to get all tagged mails that pass through the mailservee to go to one address like: spam_dump at domain dot org ?[16:26:30] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix[16:33:01] <vice-versa> dusty_: if the "tag" is unique enough you could use a header_checks rule to REDIRECT spam_dump at domain dot org[16:36:50] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[16:40:03] *** Kako_ is now known as Kako[16:48:06] *** PcPixel has quit IRC[16:48:48] *** daemoen has joined #postfix[16:51:52] <dusty_> vice-versa: I cant use that as im on postfix 2.0.18 and its not supported til 2.1+[16:56:14] <rob0> oh yikes![16:57:04] <rob0> That's more than 5 minor releases ago. I can't remember that far back.[16:58:34] <vice-versa> released around the beginning of 2004 iirc[16:58:45] <dusty_> heh[16:58:58] <dusty_> So how would I do it on that setup ?[16:59:16] *** f3ew has quit IRC[16:59:30] <rob0> I'm certainly not going to dig back in old documentation for you.[17:00:49] * vice-versa echoes rob0's sentiment[17:02:52] *** Krooks has joined #postfix[17:03:07] <Krooks> Hi, if I tar -cjvf /var/spool/mail while postfix is still running, will I corrupt any of the mailboxes ?[17:03:41] <dusty_> hehe fair enough, rob0, vice-versa so there is a way to do it back in that old version ?[17:04:11] * e_ cries about this policyd setup :([17:04:39] * vice-versa hands e_ a tissue[17:04:48] <e_> thx[17:04:49] <e_> *sniff*[17:05:02] <e_> i just don't get this policyd v2[17:05:03] <e_> *snort*[17:13:56] *** Aron is now known as aron[17:23:19] *** Lukemob has quit IRC[17:24:21] *** rob0 has quit IRC[17:34:40] *** hparker has joined #postfix[17:35:27] *** Lukemob has joined #postfix[17:38:38] *** dusty_ has quit IRC[17:39:48] *** Kako has quit IRC[17:41:20] *** rob0_ has joined #postfix[17:42:18] *** Internat has quit IRC[17:42:24] *** internat2 has joined #postfix[17:42:56] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[17:43:53] *** rob0_ is now known as rob0[17:50:12] *** Krooks has quit IRC[17:56:18] *** venger has joined #postfix[18:01:59] <e_> is there a way to have postfix log invocation of check_policy_server?[18:05:19] *** Haris__ is now known as Haris[18:07:59] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[18:08:22] *** ovd has quit IRC[18:10:47] <Haris> !virtual_maildir_limit_message[18:10:47] <knoba> Haris: Error: "virtual_maildir_limit_message" is not a valid command.[18:13:34] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[18:14:18] <piksi> warning: premature end-of-input on private/smtp socket while reading input attribute name <--- where would such error message point to? the master.cf config is faulty?[18:15:38] <cpm> !pr0n[18:15:39] <knoba> cpm: Error: "pr0n" is not a valid command.[18:17:37] <vice-versa> piksi: most likely, did you comment something out and leave a line that starts with white space that's part of it uncommented on the line(s) below[18:19:42] <Haris> Do we have all keywords on http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html configured on knoba?[18:19:51] *** devdas has joined #postfix[18:19:53] <vice-versa> no[18:20:24] <Haris> does virtual_maildir_limit_message exist?[18:21:34] <vice-versa> Haris: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html[18:21:46] <Haris> well, its not there[18:22:16] <Haris> some keywords seem to have been deprecated in new versions?[18:22:31] <vice-versa> then it's not a postfix *default* configuration parameter[18:22:31] <piksi> vice-versa: not imo: http://pastebin.com/m1bce9da5[18:23:32] <vice-versa> Haris: you can have user defined configuration parameters[18:23:59] <Haris> :o[18:24:07] <Haris> Where's the howto for that?[18:24:09] <pickcoder> piksi: you have a bunch of duplicate restrictions in your 10025 transport[18:24:12] <vice-versa> so if your config is a cut&paste from a tutorial or howto it could be something specific to it[18:24:18] <pickcoder> though I doubt that's the problem[18:24:27] <Haris> that's the first time I'v heard of something programmable in postfix[18:24:31] <Haris> :-)[18:25:01] <piksi> pickcoder: yeah noticed, that was a pasting error[18:25:36] <vice-versa> Haris: I wouldn't consider that programmable as much as I would configurable[18:26:01] <Haris> I'm sorry, my bad. programmable = configurable[18:26:20] <piksi> i've only used my old working master.cf and cleaned up all the external services (since as far as i've understood my postfix is now using only amavisd-new and doesn't need the maildrop uucp and other external services )[18:26:34] <Haris> In this instance however, configurable could also mean built_in_variable = value, so I chose programmable[18:30:21] *** internat2 has quit IRC[18:30:35] *** Internat has joined #postfix[18:34:25] *** EasilyOdd has quit IRC[18:39:53] <vice-versa> !tell piksi obvious[18:40:14] <vice-versa> see if you have any fatal entries[18:45:23] *** Signum has quit IRC[18:48:17] *** githogori has quit IRC[18:50:11] *** devdas has quit IRC[18:52:32] <vice-versa> !knoba[18:52:40] *** jtsigma has joined #postfix[18:53:29] *** confound_ has joined #postfix[18:54:45] *** confound has quit IRC[18:55:47] <jtsigma> hey all. is there a way in postfix for every mail received, to make a copy of the mail elsewhere for archival purposes?[18:56:10] <jtsigma> i know it's possible by using a gateway mta but i'm wondering if a way to do it without gateway mta[18:56:15] <jtsigma> on same server as the mail store[18:57:40] <vice-versa> always_bcc http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#always_bcc[18:58:44] <jtsigma> thx[19:03:06] *** knoba has quit IRC[19:04:58] * vice-versa hands knoba some routes[19:06:39] <ph8> hey guys! Is it now possible to run autoresponders through postfix without extra software?[19:07:53] <vice-versa> no[19:09:21] <ph8> ah i thought i read something[19:09:31] <ph8> thx, i'll load up YAA unless anyone recommends better[19:09:46] *** gonewestcoast has joined #postfix[19:10:01] <vice-versa> well if there is it's news to me[19:17:11] <jtsigma> vice-versa: is there some other way to do it , perhaps more on a file level?[19:17:36] <jtsigma> i'm thinking something to the effect of , every mail for every user that comes in on particular day, get's stored to a seperate folder[19:17:42] <jtsigma> seperated by day[19:17:50] <jtsigma> i know there are appliances that do this sort of thing[19:20:45] <vice-versa> if you had specific requirements you should have stipulated them, but to answer your question, there is no way that I know of to do this with postfix only[19:20:55] <jtsigma> my bad.[19:21:06] <jtsigma> any known opensource package?[19:21:21] <vice-versa> Perl ;)[19:21:28] <jtsigma> ah i've heard of this thing[19:21:31] <jtsigma> you call 'Perl'[19:22:31] <jtsigma> i guess can just deliver to a particluar user 'archive' , and have that user's procmail process it via this thing you call perl[19:28:14] <vice-versa> I'm guessing by the requirements this is more than an email archival policy, sounds like you/they want to be able to easily review and search this email archive[19:30:42] <venger> testing out postfix, coming from exim4 -- any know how to get this exim4 .forward file functionality implemented into postfix http://pastebin.com/dd02c1bd ?[19:32:43] *** vaix has left #postfix[19:34:59] <venger> looks like it will be a header_checks line and config, maybe that will work[19:35:55] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[19:36:20] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[19:40:16] <pickcoder> jtsigma: how do you explain to the post office application where the mailboxes are and how to use them?[19:40:28] <pickcoder> it's a breeze to just dump the e-mail into a folder[19:41:24] <jtsigma> parse it, w/ procmail[19:41:29] <jtsigma> 'date' var and 'user' var[19:41:39] <jtsigma> create a folder for each user, and in user's folder is subdirs[19:41:44] <pickcoder> so you can tell dovecot to use procmail to pick up mail?[19:41:45] <jtsigma> each subdir represesnting a date[19:41:53] <jtsigma> i dunno i'm using postfix[19:41:55] <pickcoder> I don't think it works that way[19:42:03] <pickcoder> I'm not talking about delivery[19:42:08] <pickcoder> I'm talking about mailbox pickup[19:42:12] <pickcoder> POP3[19:42:13] <pickcoder> IMAP[19:42:14] <pickcoder> etc[19:42:16] <jtsigma> no no[19:42:31] <jtsigma> the usr i'm talking aboutis user 'archive' .. he is bcc:d everyone's mail[19:42:33] <jtsigma> u get?[19:42:37] <jtsigma> this is just a copy, for archival[19:42:40] <pickcoder> oh[19:42:44] <jtsigma> normal mail still goes where it should[19:43:20] <pickcoder> I just set up a mail pipe application using Perl[19:43:40] <cpm> sounds like big brother complex[19:43:55] <jtsigma> pickcoder: oh that sounds like good idea as well[19:44:01] <pickcoder> if you prefer to use procmail and you can build the recipe then go for it[19:44:09] <jtsigma> where do u set the pipe?[19:44:21] <jtsigma> in master.cf instead of maildrop or procmail?[19:44:26] <pickcoder> I personally have a virtual domain that has a virtual user to send to a processing queue[19:44:31] <pickcoder> correct[19:44:35] <jtsigma> i see.[19:44:43] <pickcoder> I added a transport pipe for it that calls my program[19:44:44] <jtsigma> ya that's a good idea[19:44:45] <jtsigma> i like that[19:44:51] <jtsigma> thanks for the tip ;)[19:45:06] <jtsigma> so what do to the mail besides deliver it?[19:45:13] <jtsigma> do you also cc it in an archive area or something?[19:45:18] <piksi> are here any centOS users that would nudge me into the right direction of how to create a chroot for postfix?[19:45:24] <piksi> without chroot everything runs ok[19:45:28] <pickcoder> I explode the mime parts and convert the mail to a PDF[19:45:37] <pickcoder> but you could write the entire mail blob to a file[19:46:43] <jtsigma> whoa, convert mail to pdf?[19:46:47] <jtsigma> what for?[19:46:50] *** Azrael has joined #postfix[19:46:52] <pickcoder> order processing[19:47:09] <pickcoder> people e-mail us orders directly sometimes[19:47:10] <jtsigma> ah i see.[19:47:14] <jtsigma> that makes sense.[19:47:20] <pickcoder> so they can be easily routed into the normal processing queue[19:47:27] <jtsigma> i imagine they'd have to send it in a very specific template format[19:47:35] <pickcoder> well that's the problem[19:47:36] <jtsigma> otherwise, how could you parse customers' random typing skills[19:47:38] <pickcoder> we get all kinds of attachments[19:47:43] <vice-versa> piksi: files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive show examples of Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[19:47:53] <pickcoder> well they're treated like faxes, which also get converted to PDF and posted[19:47:57] <pickcoder> someone has to read it[19:48:04] <pickcoder> but it's still manageable in the queue[19:48:08] <pickcoder> and it won't get missed[19:48:12] <jtsigma> ah i see[19:48:14] <jtsigma> that's really neat[19:49:27] <pickcoder> it'd be really neat of oo.org would convert the files it's supposed to[19:49:33] * pickcoder grumbles[19:56:49] *** tomocha6 has joined #postfix[20:01:39] *** ams has joined #postfix[20:03:54] <ams> hmph[20:04:04] <ams> i am having some weird issues with local aliases and ldp...[20:04:06] <ams> ldap..[20:04:38] <ams> i have; alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases-mailinglists, ldap:/etc/postf\[20:04:39] <ams> ix/ldap-alias.cf[20:04:42] <ams> in master.cf...[20:05:12] <ams> and a very simple ldap-alias.cf...[20:05:24] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[20:05:44] <ams> doing postmap -q alfred@... ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-alias.cf orks like a charm...[20:07:54] <ams> anyone got a clue?[20:08:17] *** tomocha6 has joined #postfix[20:09:43] <vice-versa> might help if you explain what's happening or not happening[20:10:31] <ams> well, i get a undelivered message... alfred@ account does not exist[20:10:43] *** Signum has joined #postfix[20:11:05] *** knoba has joined #postfix[20:12:03] <ams> Status: 5.1.1[20:12:03] <ams> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "alfred"[20:12:07] <ams> if that helps[20:12:30] <ams> does it matter if you have multiple attribute values?[20:13:49] *** Signum has left #postfix[20:13:53] *** Signum has joined #postfix[20:14:40] <vice-versa> is alfred a valid local unix account?[20:14:46] <ams> no[20:14:49] <ams> it is a alias[20:15:53] <cpm> !postmap[20:15:54] <knoba> cpm: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')[20:15:58] *** ikaro^ has joined #postfix[20:16:07] <cpm> postmap -q[20:16:12] <ams> cpm: postmap works[20:16:18] <ams> (as i noted alread :)[20:16:26] <ams> # postmap -q alfred at kreditor dot se hash:/etc/aliases hash:/etc/aliases-mailin\[20:16:26] <ams> glists ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-alias.cf[20:16:26] <ams> ams,alfred.szmidt[20:19:02] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[20:19:07] *** PcPixel has joined #postfix[20:19:35] *** ikaro has quit IRC[20:19:42] *** ikaro^ is now known as ikaro[20:20:29] <ams> logs show nothing weird[20:20:35] <ams> just (unknown user: alfred)[20:20:45] <vice-versa> ams: local aliases do not use the domain part[20:20:56] <adaptr_> it's *probably* not kidding[20:21:01] <adaptr_> fuck![20:21:09] *** adaptr_ is now known as adaptr[20:21:11] <ams> vice-versa: ah ha...[20:22:08] <ams> vice-versa: yup, that fixed it...[20:23:44] <ams> thanks[20:25:56] <vice-versa> np[20:27:00] *** Vivek has quit IRC[20:29:16] <rob0> Leaving off the @domain is usually a bad idea. Can cause unexpected results.[20:29:36] <ams> leaving of it where?[20:29:37] <rob0> !append_at_myorigin[20:29:38] <knoba> rob0: "append_at_myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Append the string "@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information.[20:29:48] <rob0> off of ANY address[20:30:57] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[20:37:34] <vice-versa> rob0: his ldap alias map had the alias defined as alfred at kreditor dot se: ams,alfred.szmidt[20:37:39] <vice-versa> or at least that's what I assumed...[20:37:43] <ams> yeah[20:37:46] *** Seamus has joined #postfix[20:37:50] <ams> mail: alfred at kreditor dot se[20:37:50] <Seamus> hello everyone[20:38:05] <adaptr> hey look, it's ShameUs![20:38:11] <ams> and since this is local alias, that won't match...[20:38:19] <vice-versa> indeed[20:38:42] <Seamus> adaptr: do I know you?[20:38:51] <rob0> And what I am saying, DON'T use unqualified addresses unless you KNOW what they will do.[20:39:01] <adaptr> Seamus: I've seen the nick before[20:39:09] <Seamus> Fantastic.[20:39:24] <adaptr> rob0: except in local aliases, where they're mandatory...[20:39:33] <Seamus> Anyway, I need someone to point me to a guide on filtering high scoring spam on a postfix server.[20:39:51] <rob0> oh, "alfred at kreditor dot se:" is incorrect syntax for local aliases LHS[20:39:51] <jtsigma> can i create a transport rule based on a single email account?[20:39:52] <adaptr> with postfix ? or SA/dspam/etc[20:39:54] <Seamus> do I need to set up another content filter or what?[20:39:57] <adaptr> jtsigma: sure[20:40:17] <vice-versa> rob0: right, get with the program ;)[20:40:19] <ams> hmm... thinkin about rewamping things a bit...[20:40:20] <Seamus> adaptr: SA/amavis/etc[20:40:22] <rob0> LHS has to be a bare username + colon.[20:40:24] <adaptr> !transport_maps[20:40:24] <knoba> adaptr: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.[20:40:39] <Seamus> if the message has a bayes score of 10 or greater, I want it to be deleted before it gets to the mailbox.[20:40:47] <adaptr> SA can do that[20:40:50] <adaptr> amavis too[20:40:55] <ams> would it be possible to use virtual aliases for everything, and then deliver to a specific folder?[20:41:01] <Seamus> which would hopefully solve our hard drive space issues.[20:41:05] <adaptr> ams: of course[20:41:10] <rob0> I was talking about the RHS, where you should use fully-qualified addresses.[20:41:17] <ams> then i could disgard the whole local alias stuff...[20:41:19] <Seamus> adaptr: alright, know how to do it?[20:41:22] <adaptr> rob0: I knows, but he was not doing that[20:41:59] <ams> adaptr: maybe that would be cleaner?[20:42:00] <adaptr> Seamus: haven't used SA "bare" for a long time, and never set up amavis to do that, but read the amavis config, it's straight perl and offers plenty of hand-holds[20:42:07] <adaptr> ams: it depends, how many domains ?[20:42:16] <ams> adaptr: a few, with more coming...[20:42:18] <adaptr> and how many mailboxes[20:42:21] <ams> 100+[20:42:27] <adaptr> actual mailboxes[20:42:33] <rob0> Virtual aliases are not added to local_recipient_maps. So it's not the same.[20:42:34] <ams> 100+ :)[20:42:45] <adaptr> free lesson: an address is not a mailbox[20:42:56] <ams> yes, 100+[20:43:08] <adaptr> so how would these be routed to ?[20:43:19] <ams> i'm not following...[20:43:20] <adaptr> I presume you would have 100000+ addresses then[20:43:33] <ams> foo at foo dot com --> /com/mail/foo/[20:43:35] <Seamus> adaptr: alright, any idea if there's any way to scan all the email boxes for spam and delete the high scoring ones?[20:43:43] <adaptr> oh, you want individual mailboxes for each virtual user ?[20:43:51] <jtsigma> user+extension@domain transport:nexthop[20:43:51] <jtsigma> Deliver mail for user+extension@domain through[20:43:51] <jtsigma> transport to nexthop.[20:43:55] <ams> adaptr: not in all cases.[20:44:06] <ams> adaptr: foo at foo dot org --> /com/mail/foo[20:44:06] <jtsigma> what if i'm on local mailhost and just send mail to 'user' without @domain.com?[20:44:07] <adaptr> Seamus: since neither the MTA nor a mail scanner can do that, that's a client-side thing (or procmail)[20:44:36] <adaptr> jtsigma: it will hit any defined local alias, and then deliver to the resulting local system mailbox[20:44:54] <adaptr> but the result of using "user" without a domain depends on $myorigin[20:44:55] <rob0> jtsigma: DON'T use unqualified addresses unless you KNOW what they will do.[20:45:00] <jtsigma> ok[20:45:14] <adaptr> rob0: right, I forgot it is still applicable :P[20:45:23] *** dusty_ has joined #postfix[20:45:28] <rob0> I had to scroll up and find that to copy/paste.[20:45:35] <adaptr> +1 for effort[20:45:50] <ams> adaptr: i guess what would be nice is look up the mail atttribute, if it matches deliver to mailDirectory....[20:46:24] <adaptr> that's nice, and actually pretty much the standard case[20:46:29] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_maps[20:46:29] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[20:46:51] <adaptr> a lookup table is anything that yields a valid lookup in postfix, including an LDAP query[20:47:06] <adaptr> so you can lookup the username, and retrieve the mailbox location[20:47:16] *** cpm has quit IRC[20:47:30] <adaptr> for any virtual user[20:47:41] <Seamus> adaptr: hmmm, so I bet I could use procmail to handle the filtering.[20:48:01] <adaptr> Seamus: that's the usual scenario, yes - either through systemwide procmail, or per-user[20:48:10] <Seamus> it only has to inspect the header for a bayes score.[20:48:11] <adaptr> postfix can use systemwide procmail for delivery[20:48:36] <Seamus> cool, I'll check into that.[20:48:38] <adaptr> and you just include an X-Spam-bla: check in procmailrc[20:48:53] <adaptr> and devnull it whenever appropriate[20:49:00] *** knoba has quit IRC[20:53:50] <jtsigma> if my local_transport=maildrop , even if i try to specify 'user local:' in transport file, it'll still try to use maildrop? is that because i redefined what the local transport is?[20:54:03] <jtsigma> any way i can specify in transport to use postfix's built in local transport for just that user?[20:54:43] <adaptr> !transport_maps[20:54:53] <adaptr> I scrolled up too[20:55:04] <adaptr> hey, is knoba AFK ?[20:55:43] <PcPixel> 14:49 -!- knoba [i=chaas at haas dot workdsl.de] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."][20:58:20] *** Vivek has joined #postfix[20:59:22] <PcPixel> how many people are using dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net as an RBL? Opinions?[21:00:58] *** _fEnIo_ has joined #postfix[21:01:08] <adaptr> a better questions would be: do you have a remotely valid reason not to use zen ?[21:01:41] <PcPixel> oh i am[21:01:56] <PcPixel> its the first one in my list[21:02:01] <PcPixel> but i like to check out others as well[21:02:31] <adaptr> I have not yet found any others even remotely relevant :)[21:02:39] <adaptr> and I did use others before zen[21:02:44] <PcPixel> adapter thats what im noticing[21:02:44] <adaptr> dropeed them all since[21:02:55] <PcPixel> zen is catching about 90+%[21:03:05] <adaptr> it does indeed[21:03:07] <PcPixel> (out of the RBLs im using)[21:03:29] <adaptr> 95% for me, so I just forgot about the other 5% in favour of load and processing speed[21:03:54] <PcPixel> *nods[21:04:01] <PcPixel> well i think ive got the power to spare on it lol[21:04:29] <rob0> 18:49 -!- knoba [i=chaas at haas dot workdsl.de] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."][21:04:30] <PcPixel> its almost kind of funny. the spam "tables" my boss has been building since 2002 became obsolete w my postfix server :P[21:04:44] *** GoGi has quit IRC[21:05:06] <ek> PcPixel: Always nice...[21:05:15] <PcPixel> oh for me it is.[21:05:24] <PcPixel> and dealing someones life work a crushing blow is just sugar.[21:05:25] <PcPixel> :P[21:05:35] <rob0> 18:44 < rob0> jtsigma: DON'T use unqualified addresses unless you KNOW what they will do.[21:05:39] <ek> Haha. My thoughts exactly.[21:05:47] <ek> Hi, rob0.[21:05:57] <rob0> howdy ek[21:06:03] <PcPixel> all those files, and with my config they have caught like 10 mails total[21:06:19] <rob0> pcp, was it a list of sender addresses?[21:07:02] <PcPixel> rob0: it was all in one file. but it was a list of IPs, domains, and complete/partial sender addresses[21:08:36] <PcPixel> had over 8,000+ip's[21:09:08] *** havvg has quit IRC[21:09:58] <rob0> How many of those were from bogus Received: headers, do you guess? Reading headers is all well and good, if you know what you're reading.[21:10:24] <PcPixel> rob0: im not sure. i do know he's pretty good at reading the headers. he's caught things I've let slip by[21:10:24] * adaptr doesn't know what rob0 is reading[21:10:31] <PcPixel> i could post it if you want a laugh lol[21:11:32] *** jamesdean44 has joined #postfix[21:11:59] <rob0> Thanks, but I don't have time. :)[21:12:13] <PcPixel> rob0: i know. i need to go.... um...... shuck........ corn.[21:12:41] <jamesdean44> Hi, after postfix is signing emails with DKIM-Signature. is there any ealse I have to do ?[21:13:25] *** fEnIo has quit IRC[21:15:55] *** standel has joined #postfix[21:18:45] *** felix-da-catz_zz is now known as felix-da-catz[21:19:34] <piksi> i'm getting "user unknown in virtual mailbox table" and *no* errors in logs, mails aren't coming in but i can send mail out. i *only* want to use /etc/aliases, no virtual domains or mailboxes and i've read FAQ's and studied configs for 3 hrs now. would someone care to look at my main.cf and master.cf and see if there are obvious faults (i doubt that since i've checked all params and consulted a few postfix users already)[21:19:56] <rob0> !unknown_virtual[21:20:07] <rob0> oops, no knoba[21:20:10] *** knoba has joined #postfix[21:20:12] <rob0> Signum: ^^[21:20:16] <rob0> thanks :)[21:20:19] <rob0> !unknown_virtual[21:20:23] <piksi> also, when i'm sending mail out, it only shows "user@" as the sender address and not "user at domain dot xyz"[21:20:47] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)[21:20:55] <piksi> ...[21:20:58] <rob0> that was slow[21:21:04] *** knoba has quit IRC[21:21:09] *** knoba` has joined #postfix[21:21:10] <piksi> damnit, i *know* that already, the same text reads in postfix.org docs[21:21:14] *** knoba has joined #postfix[21:21:32] <Signum> rob0: I'm trying to run knoba from "runit" so I can't forget to start it manually any more[21:21:41] <Signum> rob0: but runit hates me[21:21:54] *** knoba has quit IRC[21:21:56] <rob0> well, if you don't want to use virtual(8), why did you put your domain in virtual_mailbox_domains ?[21:22:00] *** knoba` has quit IRC[21:22:11] *** knoba has joined #postfix[21:22:27] <piksi> rob0: i didn't. the parameter is empty and i've also tried changing the config in various ways[21:23:19] <rob0> what is the domain name?[21:24:05] <rob0> As for the sender address issue, configure your MUA properly.[21:24:37] <piksi> it's a gandi FQDN with correctly set MX records and i've written and used these same configs without problems on ubuntu server but now in centos5 they don't work[21:25:17] <ek> piksi: Paste your main.cf file.[21:26:42] <piksi> ek: http://pastebin.com/m340e434a[21:27:42] *** knoba has joined #postfix[21:28:38] <rob0> MX 10 spool.mail.gandi.net. , 50 fb.mail.gandi.net.[21:30:42] <piksi> wtf, when did those appear there[21:31:30] <piksi> rob0: thanks a lot for pointing out. i haven't touched the dns zone file for a year after setting it up and using it happily[21:32:33] <rob0> "Nothing in logs" often means the MX is pointed elsewhere.[21:32:36] *** xpoint has quit IRC[21:32:47] * piksi feels stupid now[21:34:31] *** _fEnIo_ has quit IRC[21:34:40] <vice-versa> !knoba[21:34:40] <knoba> vice-versa: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)[21:37:54] *** fEnIo has joined #postfix[21:40:44] *** ploploop has joined #postfix[21:43:04] *** Haris1 has quit IRC[21:44:42] <sysmonk> heh[21:44:49] <sysmonk> !basuc[21:44:49] <knoba> sysmonk: "basuc" : !basic, plus a bit of alcohol[21:44:50] <sysmonk> ;)[21:47:07] <sysmonk> hah[21:47:10] <sysmonk> another good one[21:47:12] <sysmonk> !hare_krishna[21:47:12] <knoba> sysmonk: "hare_krishna" : Rumor has it that Hare Krishna means hire a consultant in Hindi.[21:49:05] *** Vivek has quit IRC[21:49:32] *** Vivek has joined #postfix[21:49:41] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[21:50:07] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[21:50:29] *** jamesdean44 has left #postfix[21:51:04] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[21:51:29] *** ploploop is now known as brancaleone[21:57:32] *** keffer has quit IRC[21:58:17] *** Haris1 has joined #postfix[22:01:26] *** githogori has joined #postfix[22:01:37] *** Azrael has quit IRC[22:02:21] *** keffer has joined #postfix[22:04:37] <ams> when using maildrop in ldap, can it be a directory, and a mail address?[22:04:43] *** pirho has joined #postfix[22:07:25] <rob0> ldap_table(5) is a Postfix map type; maildrop is an external delivery agent. "Using maildrop in ldap" does not parse.[22:07:40] *** _fEnIo_ has joined #postfix[22:08:57] *** Joe_Wulf has joined #postfix[22:09:32] *** felix-da-catz is now known as felix-da-catz_zz[22:09:42] <ams> rob0: maildrop tends to be ldap attribute where to deliver mail[22:14:26] *** linkslice has quit IRC[22:17:51] *** JoeWulf has quit IRC[22:19:58] *** linkslice has joined #postfix[22:22:17] *** fEnIo has quit IRC[22:23:34] *** PcPixel has quit IRC[22:28:25] *** madrescher has quit IRC[22:31:58] *** standel has quit IRC[22:36:09] *** jakesolid has joined #postfix[22:45:51] *** pitakill has quit IRC[22:57:00] *** githogori has quit IRC[22:57:02] *** Flobbie has quit IRC[22:59:18] *** githogori has joined #postfix[22:59:20] *** jakesolid has left #postfix[22:59:49] *** cilly has quit IRC[23:05:09] *** jakesolid has joined #postfix[23:06:32] *** venger has quit IRC[23:07:36] <jakesolid> hello, i configured my postfix smtp with ssl and when using my email client with tls it sends fine but the maillogs are saying using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (No client certificate requested) Is my email client really using the certificate to send the email?[23:14:34] *** keffer has quit IRC[23:16:30] *** jakesolid has left #postfix[23:21:13] *** F6F has quit IRC[23:21:26] *** keffer has joined #postfix[23:21:53] <jtsigma> oh snap, i can't use the always_bcc option . when it does that it alters the headers of the original user and replaces it with the bcc user[23:21:59] <jtsigma> so i can' ttell who the original email was meant for[23:33:42] *** aron is now known as Aron[23:49:53] <jtsigma> any suggestions?[23:52:04] <seekwill> Wow, that seems wrong[23:54:26] <jtsigma> ?[23:54:50] <jtsigma> oh i mean the original email, the header is fine, gets delivered to the end user[23:55:08] <jtsigma> but the bcc'd email (the copy in other words), To: header is that of the bcc user.[23:55:25] <jtsigma> so i can't really archive using this method , since i don't know who it was destined for in case i need to retrieve[23:55:52] <seekwill> Yeah, that seems wrong.[23:56:00] <seekwill> It shouldn't have modified the body[23:56:49] *** fEnIo has joined #postfix