August 13, 2008 
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August 13, 2008 [00:00:26] <chainsaw1> because i want to give users an option to forward a copy of the mail to an external mailadress...[00:02:53] <chainsaw1> or is it better to use the DB to mange the external mailadress[00:03:23] <sysmonk> db[00:03:40] <sysmonk> user won't be able to edit his .forward file anyway, as he IS NOT a system user[00:03:44] <sysmonk> he won't be able to login[00:03:47] <sysmonk> he doesn't have a homedir[00:03:55] <sysmonk> so having the aliases in database is enough[00:05:23] <chainsaw1> thx, but how do i integrate an extern adress to an intern alias?[00:05:28] *** magyar_ has quit IRC[00:06:13] *** felix-da-catz is now known as felix-da-catz_zz[00:06:18] <chainsaw1> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwarding2forwardings.cf[00:06:39] *** cilly has joined #postfix[00:08:20] <rob0> user at some dot domain user at other dot domain[00:08:36] <rob0> where "other.domain" is listed in mydestination[00:08:54] <rob0> that might be mgeary's answer too[00:08:57] <rob0> afk.[00:09:47] <chainsaw1> thx rob0[00:11:11] <chainsaw1> @mgeary: whats ur syntax in the virtual_alias_maps =mysql: ?[00:12:13] <mgeary> sorry, one sec....[00:13:09] <chainsaw1> thx :)[00:13:27] *** magyar_ has joined #postfix[00:13:46] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[00:18:11] *** zack23 has quit IRC[00:18:40] <mgeary> okay, sorry 'bout that[00:18:57] <mgeary> so, i'm not using mysql with postfix[00:19:43] *** Tykling has left #postfix[00:19:54] <chainsaw1> oh,.. no prob.. ;)[00:21:57] <mgeary> what i don't get is this: i have 2 unix accounts: mgeary and michael. i am trying to hook the mgeary account up to first.last at domain dot com, and to hook the michael account up to michael at otherdomain dot com[00:22:19] <mgeary> but both those emails are resolving to the mgeary unix account[00:22:25] *** lenny64_ has joined #postfix[00:22:33] *** knoba has quit IRC[00:22:34] <lenny64_> Hello everybody[00:22:46] *** m4r71x has left #postfix[00:23:16] *** knoba has joined #postfix[00:23:55] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[00:30:56] *** j_s has quit IRC[00:34:31] *** McJerry has quit IRC[00:39:04] *** cilly has quit IRC[00:42:19] *** hacim has joined #postfix[00:42:38] *** watts_ is now known as tundra[00:42:44] <hacim> which restriction should I use to block a specific domain from receiving mail?[00:44:45] <kreg_work> what are the assumed mailbox addresses? support, abuse, info.... ?[00:46:50] <jduggan_> uh, is there any weirdities with postfix in debian and mysql?[00:47:20] *** pirho has quit IRC[00:47:28] <jduggan_> i've a mysql map, postmap -q key mysql:/file returns no fault, nothing in logs, nothing in mysql logs no errors etc[00:47:53] <jduggan_> i enabled logging in mysql to check nothing there either[00:50:44] *** pirho has joined #postfix[00:54:23] *** seekwill has quit IRC[00:56:01] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[01:00:14] *** car_watt has quit IRC[01:01:20] *** Draecos has quit IRC[01:04:19] *** mgeary has left #postfix[01:05:37] *** skyweb has quit IRC[01:08:32] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[01:09:18] *** lenny64_ has left #postfix[01:12:50] *** adaptr_ has quit IRC[01:13:01] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[01:15:50] *** pirho has quit IRC[01:27:14] <jduggan_> aha, its not accepting new format query = ??, works fine if i use the older method, anyone seen this before?[01:27:20] <jduggan_> (2.5.3)[01:27:47] *** UMoX has joined #postfix[01:30:13] <UMoX> can someone please help me regarding postfix, dovecot, and sasl? receiving relaying denied in maillog[01:36:22] *** McJerry has joined #postfix[01:41:30] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[01:44:03] <cipherz> if postfix has a mail in its queue for mydomain.tld, I am a backup mx for - when I try postqueue -f shouldn't it check it's transport list for which mx to sent the mail to ?[01:45:56] *** toytoy has quit IRC[01:47:22] *** quieteyes has left #postfix[01:49:44] *** war9407 has quit IRC[01:54:16] <cipherz> never mind it was a mistake in the transport lines...[01:59:17] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[02:04:38] *** chainsaw1 has left #postfix[02:07:54] *** Jense has quit IRC[02:36:04] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[02:48:33] *** pingouin has quit IRC[02:48:52] *** REdOG has quit IRC[02:50:44] *** Knoedel2 has quit IRC[02:52:45] *** REdOG has joined #postfix[02:53:17] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[02:56:06] *** UMoX has left #postfix[02:58:27] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[03:04:08] *** jgreig has quit IRC[03:04:18] *** jgreig has joined #postfix[03:17:04] *** seekwill has quit IRC[03:22:01] *** dinar has quit IRC[03:30:48] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[03:32:08] *** githogori has quit IRC[03:46:01] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[03:54:22] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[03:57:11] *** foxbuntu has joined #postfix[03:57:39] <foxbuntu> hey all, I have a strange error Im not making any progress with, can someone provide some help?[03:58:57] *** mavrick61 has quit IRC[04:00:05] *** mavrick61 has joined #postfix[04:05:36] *** keffer has quit IRC[04:07:33] <vice-versa> !ask[04:07:34] <knoba> vice-versa: "ask" : If you have a question, just ask. Precise questions lead to precise answers. Vague descriptions of your problem will get you nowhere. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc[04:08:59] *** keffer has joined #postfix[04:13:55] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[04:14:48] <foxbuntu> hey all, I have a strange error Im not making any progress with, can someone provide some help? 5.4.6 X-Postfix; mail for mail.foxmediasystems.com loops back to myself[04:15:07] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, ^[04:15:15] <vice-versa> !loopback[04:15:16] <knoba> vice-versa: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[04:15:53] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, I have it in there[04:16:50] <vice-versa> pastebin the output from postconf -n and some relevant excerpts from your logs[04:16:56] <vice-versa> !pastebin[04:16:57] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.[04:18:18] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, postfix.conf: http://paste.debian.net/14639/[04:18:44] <foxbuntu> I get the previous error upon receiving any mail[04:20:29] <vice-versa> what's in /etc/postfix/local-host-names[04:21:16] <foxbuntu> http://paste.debian.net/14641/[04:27:10] <vice-versa> hmm, still would like to see the relevant excerpts from your logs[04:29:11] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, ok..let me get them[04:30:51] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, http://paste.debian.net/14642/[04:31:10] <foxbuntu> that appears when I it receives mail from anywhere[04:31:21] <vice-versa> truncated[04:31:29] <foxbuntu> arg[04:31:34] <foxbuntu> silly me not using cat[04:35:08] *** lawnchair has quit IRC[04:35:37] *** lawnchair has joined #postfix[04:36:33] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, http://paste.debian.net/14644/[04:37:05] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[04:37:21] <vice-versa> ahh, the all seeing logs...[04:37:30] <vice-versa> comment out mydestination in main.cf to use the default, restart postfix and try again[04:39:06] <foxbuntu> nope, same error[04:39:49] <vice-versa> is the warning gone now?[04:39:54] <foxbuntu> no[04:40:03] <foxbuntu> er[04:40:04] <foxbuntu> yeah[04:40:44] <vice-versa> ok, show the latest from the logs[04:41:30] <foxbuntu> http://paste.debian.net/14646/[04:47:15] <vice-versa> postmap -q foxmediasystems.com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-domains.cf[04:47:27] <vice-versa> what's that output if anything?[04:48:13] <foxbuntu> ah[04:48:17] <foxbuntu> permissions perhaps[04:48:26] <foxbuntu> permissions denied[04:48:42] <vice-versa> are you root?[04:48:50] <foxbuntu> no[04:48:54] <foxbuntu> I have root[04:48:57] <foxbuntu> but not using it[04:49:10] <foxbuntu> but that file is root:postfix[04:49:21] <vice-versa> and you are who?[04:49:27] <foxbuntu> not root[04:49:36] <foxbuntu> :)[04:49:39] <vice-versa> we already established that[04:49:55] <vice-versa> either su- to root or use sudo[04:49:58] <foxbuntu> well I get 1 as the output as root[04:50:37] <vice-versa> postmap -q foxmediasystems.com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-domains.cf[04:50:38] <vice-versa> 1[04:50:42] <vice-versa> like that?[04:50:43] <foxbuntu> yes[04:51:00] <vice-versa> should have spit the domain back or nothing[04:51:28] <foxbuntu> perhaps I have a typo in the DB...let me dbl check that again[04:51:36] <vice-versa> try this for now, comment out the current virtual_mailbox_domains[04:51:53] <vice-versa> virtual_mailbox_domains = foxmediasystems.com[04:52:09] <vice-versa> reload and try the delivery again[04:52:18] *** perserverance has joined #postfix[04:52:20] <foxbuntu> ok[04:53:58] <foxbuntu> nope same thing[04:55:38] <vice-versa> hmm, gemme a bit, I have to go on my rounds, brb[04:55:49] <foxbuntu> np[04:55:52] <foxbuntu> thanks for the help[04:56:19] <pickcoder> is that domain in mydestination?[04:56:35] <foxbuntu> it was at one point but isnt any longer[04:57:14] <pickcoder> it's not in /etc/mailname is it[04:57:37] <foxbuntu> nope[04:58:01] <foxbuntu> it has the other domain of this server in it[04:58:01] <pickcoder> well it has to be somewhere to get loop-back[04:58:13] <pickcoder> not in a alias map or transport[04:58:29] <foxbuntu> I know its something simple I am overlooking[04:58:52] <pickcoder> did you restart postfix after fixing mydestination[05:00:03] *** magyar has quit IRC[05:00:08] <foxbuntu> yes[05:00:15] <foxbuntu> looks like its in the transport[05:00:18] <pickcoder> and the problem is with new mail[05:00:20] <foxbuntu> oh now I see[05:01:22] <foxbuntu> awesome[05:01:26] <foxbuntu> its working[05:01:33] <foxbuntu> pickcoder, you da man![05:01:42] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, thanks again for your time[05:02:01] <foxbuntu> duh[05:02:07] <foxbuntu> always something stupid[05:02:53] <foxbuntu> thanks guys big time[05:02:58] <pickcoder> no prob[05:05:10] <vice-versa> foxbuntu: back[05:05:13] <vice-versa> see you got it sorted out[05:05:30] <foxbuntu> yeah...I had a transport pointing at myself...[05:05:40] <foxbuntu> smart idea right?[05:06:03] <vice-versa> what a messed up config, where did you come up with that[05:07:21] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, from several places, I have a really odd requirement for this server[05:07:40] <pickcoder> It's probably not as odd as you may think[05:07:47] <pickcoder> seen some pretty odd things here[05:07:50] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[05:08:03] <vice-versa> ahh, multiple tutorial syndrome[05:08:10] <vice-versa> !tutorial[05:08:11] <knoba> vice-versa: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[05:08:41] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[05:09:22] <vice-versa> but yeah like pickcoder said, we've seen worse for sure[05:09:50] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, yea...Im sure I screwed up in several places but its setup now how it needs to be so Im a happy camper[05:10:20] *** jmazaredo has quit IRC[05:10:24] <vice-versa> funny how a lot of them seem to stem from debian base configs though[05:10:37] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[05:10:52] *** m1n3s6 has joined #postfix[05:17:14] *** goldfischli has joined #postfix[05:17:27] <pickcoder> s/base configs/oriented and incorrect how-tos[05:23:50] <foxbuntu> ok guys I seem to be having a new issue[05:24:16] <foxbuntu> well[05:24:21] <foxbuntu> before I bug you guys..[05:24:23] <foxbuntu> brb[05:28:03] <foxbuntu> pickcoder, vice-versa http://paste.debian.net/14647/[05:28:44] <foxbuntu> I am connecting via evolution to both mail accounts and was trying to send a test from one and reply back[05:29:17] <foxbuntu> I receive it at the first but not the reply[05:31:55] <vice-versa> what does mailq show[05:32:49] <Zelest> oh.. rofl[05:32:57] <Zelest> I thought you asked that vice-versa .. as in, you didn't know what mailq was :D[05:33:17] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, http://paste.debian.net/14649/[05:33:20] <vice-versa> heh[05:33:23] *** goldfisc1li has quit IRC[05:35:49] <vice-versa> foxbuntu: is there anything obvious in the logs prior to what you pastbined[05:36:44] <foxbuntu> nope[05:36:54] <foxbuntu> its the same thing for each attempt I made[05:38:37] *** milligan_ has quit IRC[05:39:21] <vice-versa> well it sure looks like it's a dovecot issue, does dovecot log to the mail syslog facility on your system or to it's own logs[05:41:23] <foxbuntu> oh[05:41:27] <foxbuntu> i see the problem now[05:41:33] <foxbuntu> again silly me[05:43:14] <vice-versa> and...[05:44:25] *** jmazaredo has joined #postfix[05:49:52] *** dinar has joined #postfix[05:54:58] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[05:56:07] <foxbuntu> vice-versa, hmm[05:56:47] <foxbuntu> seems to be a permissions issue creating the mail directories for the second account, however I have tried opening permissions all the way up, manually creating the dirs, nothign[05:57:25] <foxbuntu> oops[05:57:27] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[05:57:29] <foxbuntu> spoke too soon[05:57:36] <foxbuntu> dovecot just caught up to me[05:57:42] <foxbuntu> all fixed it appears[05:59:42] *** tomocha6 has joined #postfix[06:00:02] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[06:00:24] *** perserverance has quit IRC[06:02:35] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[06:02:46] <foxbuntu> yup, good to go, thanks again vice-versa[06:02:57] <vice-versa> yw[06:10:03] *** belendax has joined #postfix[06:10:24] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:11:43] <belendax> how can I send a mail to all of my users in postfix ?[06:15:07] <belendax> hey all[06:15:18] <belendax> how can I send a mail to all of my users in postfix ?[06:21:09] *** belendax has left #postfix[06:25:03] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[06:27:39] *** tshine_ has joined #postfix[06:27:48] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[06:34:34] *** tshine has quit IRC[06:37:38] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[06:40:32] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[06:51:17] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[06:57:42] *** githogori has joined #postfix[07:03:44] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[07:03:49] *** xpoint has quit IRC[07:21:45] *** Braden` has joined #postfix[07:21:47] <Braden`> Hello[07:22:39] <f3ew> lo[07:23:01] <Braden`> I am having a loopback problem. I've researched what causes that and from what I gather the mail server is trying to send mail back out to the internet and discovers it just comes back to it. I modified my config files http://pastebin.com/d73c3392 to fix it, but I am still having problems. If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it.[07:28:36] <f3ew> !loopback[07:28:37] <knoba> f3ew: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[07:36:45] <Braden`> Right, I just said that[07:37:06] <Braden`> It was that text that told me what to do initialy, but I am still having the problem.[07:37:18] <Braden`> http://pastebin.com/d73c3392[07:37:39] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[07:38:01] <vice-versa> did you restart postfix after making the changes[07:38:43] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix[07:39:23] <Braden`> Yep, ran postmap on the files and then restarted[07:39:36] <Braden`> Let me do it again just to make absolutely sure[07:43:07] *** internat2 has joined #postfix[07:43:37] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[07:44:54] <Braden`> Same result[07:44:56] <Braden`> http://pastebin.com/d247b2922[07:45:03] <Braden`> I put a copy of the relevant logs at the bottom[07:46:06] <vice-versa> what's your rational for this parameter? relayhost = $mydomain[07:46:42] <Braden`> Let me check the docs[07:46:44] <vice-versa> !relayhost[07:46:45] <knoba> vice-versa: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.[07:48:11] <Braden`> I believe I was wanting to prevent my server from relaying mail for domains not relevant to my server.[07:48:20] <Braden`> Should I comment it out?[07:48:25] <vice-versa> yes[07:48:38] *** perserverance has joined #postfix[07:51:11] <vice-versa> and fwiw, reject_unauth_destination in smtpd_recipient_restrictions takes care of that[07:53:32] <Braden`> Ok[07:53:40] <Braden`> Still getting the error, but the log information is different.[07:53:41] <Braden`> http://pastebin.com/d38ed8d07[07:53:47] <Braden`> New logs at the bottom (old logs removed)[07:57:35] *** f3ew has quit IRC[07:58:33] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[07:59:04] *** Internat has quit IRC[07:59:18] *** jmazaredo has quit IRC[08:01:03] <vice-versa> Braden`: let's clarify a few things[08:01:53] <vice-versa> is the config and logs in the pastbin from the actual server on 74.137.173.144?[08:02:13] <Braden`> Yes[08:02:18] *** Knoedel2 has joined #postfix[08:04:04] <vice-versa> do you control the DNS?[08:04:27] *** jmazaredo has joined #postfix[08:06:01] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC[08:06:36] <Braden`> Yes[08:06:52] <Braden`> Its my machine and I have bind/named running on it.[08:07:10] <vice-versa> ok, well your mx shouldn't be a cname alias[08:07:43] <Braden`> Ok, I will change that[08:08:17] <vice-versa> so either make mail.tenament.com an A or make balthasar.tenament.com the mx for the tenament.com zone[08:08:46] *** m1n3s6 has quit IRC[08:13:26] <vice-versa> Braden`: is there any virtualization involved in this?[08:15:26] <robtone_> It looks rather like relay_domains is used wrong[08:16:51] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[08:17:02] *** perserverance has quit IRC[08:17:19] <Braden`> relayhost should of been the smtpd server on the isp[08:17:28] <vice-versa> yes[08:17:31] <Braden`> vice-versa: Thank you for helping me. It works great now =][08:17:36] *** perserverance has joined #postfix[08:17:49] <vice-versa> because you're on a dynamic ip that's listed everywhere[08:17:55] <Braden`> Right[08:18:15] <Braden`> I am moving it to a static ip, but this is mainly just a temporary location[08:18:36] <robtone_> why does it send to "OK"?[08:18:51] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[08:19:00] <Braden`> robtone_: That was from before I fixed the relay_domains. I just never removed it from the queue. I did that with postsuper -d ALL[08:19:39] <Braden`> Originally, the virtualzation(sp) file had: braden at tenament dot com OK instead of the correct text of: braden at tenament dot com braden[08:20:02] <Braden`> Last question: Any good site to check for open relays?[08:20:04] <vice-versa> what was done to fix relay_domains?[08:20:20] <Braden`> Seperate the relay_domains from the virualization file[08:20:26] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[08:20:33] <vice-versa> !relaytest[08:20:34] <knoba> vice-versa: "relaytest" : a public service to test if your mail server is an open relay. Just run "telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org" or visit http://www.abuse.net/relay.html[08:22:31] *** jeffspeff2 has joined #postfix[08:24:04] <vice-versa> Braden`: are you following some guide or tutorial to configure your server?[08:30:18] *** jmazaredo has quit IRC[08:30:59] <Braden`> vice-versa: No, just the documentation included in main.cf[08:31:05] <Braden`> and the various manpages[08:31:13] <vice-versa> !virtual[08:31:14] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[08:31:34] <vice-versa> you might want to read that one over[08:31:41] <Braden`> Ok[08:31:43] <Braden`> Thanks[08:35:56] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:36:56] <vice-versa> there's a lot to be had by starting over sometimes ;)[08:37:07] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[08:39:33] *** cilly has joined #postfix[08:40:36] *** perserverance has quit IRC[08:40:55] *** jmazaredo has joined #postfix[08:42:19] *** jeffspeff has quit IRC[08:42:58] *** jamesdean44 has joined #postfix[08:43:01] *** jeffspeff has joined #postfix[08:43:56] <jamesdean44> Hi, is anyone here running postfix -> dspam -> dovecot ?[08:44:50] <vice-versa> !anyone[08:44:51] <knoba> vice-versa: "anyone" : Please do not ask if anyone uses someprogram. Instead ask your real question.[08:45:32] <jamesdean44> sorry[08:46:47] <jamesdean44> Im a bit confussed I have postfix and dovecot running but how should I plugin dspam[08:48:42] <jamesdean44> and I have dspam setup, I just dont know what to edit in master.cf or main.cf[08:49:01] *** m1n3s6 has joined #postfix[08:51:05] *** xnixan has quit IRC[08:52:00] <vice-versa> jamesdean44: http://dspamwiki.expass.de/Installation/Postfix[08:53:02] *** jeffspeff2 has quit IRC[08:54:02] <jamesdean44> thanx vice i fallowed the examples but, still not getting dspam to fillter, I will read some more[08:57:59] *** RedShift has joined #postfix[08:58:08] <RedShift> how can I block a single from address?[08:58:29] <RedShift> from=<bounce at bizlaunch dot be> I want to block this one[08:59:26] <vice-versa> !access[08:59:28] <knoba> vice-versa: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[09:05:57] *** canburak has joined #postfix[09:06:31] <canburak> hi, i would like to prioritize some mails on the active queue. is is possible?[09:06:38] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[09:06:47] *** tshine_ is now known as tshine[09:07:46] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:08:11] *** j_s has joined #postfix[09:12:38] *** canburak has quit IRC[09:16:48] *** cilly has quit IRC[09:24:10] *** F6F has joined #postfix[09:30:14] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|zzz[09:31:12] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[09:36:15] *** tshine has quit IRC[09:50:10] *** Acoon has joined #postfix[09:51:06] <Acoon> What's the earliest i can reject a recipient email address in postfix?[09:52:30] <jduggan_> smtpd_recipient_restrictions ?[09:52:32] *** xpoint has quit IRC[09:58:06] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:59:19] <Acoon> hmm.. ok[10:07:31] *** jamesdean44 has left #postfix[10:09:42] *** Jense has joined #postfix[10:14:25] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[10:18:21] *** xnixan has joined #postfix[10:23:04] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[10:28:48] *** dinar has left #postfix[10:47:21] *** pitakill has quit IRC[10:51:04] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[10:57:25] *** Braden` has left #postfix[11:00:05] *** F6F has quit IRC[11:00:11] *** F6F has joined #postfix[11:07:08] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[11:11:11] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[11:21:25] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[11:27:41] *** skyweb has joined #postfix[11:34:35] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[11:35:09] *** morpheus08 has joined #postfix[11:37:39] <morpheus08> heloo my ingleas not is god bat i have a vary grate problem with my postfixadmin. I don't I do not understand because it creates user on DB but does not create user folder of my disk[11:37:43] <morpheus08> Help my[11:39:06] <sysmonk> #postfix be postfix, not be postfixadmin[11:39:13] <sysmonk> postfixadmin be 3rd app party[11:39:43] <morpheus08> ops sorry[11:39:58] <sysmonk> happen shit, problem no[11:40:41] <vice-versa> god bat[11:41:25] <sysmonk> :)))[11:42:40] <morpheus08> vice-versa speak italian?[11:43:29] <vice-versa> spiacente, non parlo italiano[11:43:56] <morpheus08> ok visto il nome pensavo di si[11:44:25] <sysmonk> ;)))[11:45:09] <vice-versa> fawk knows what I said, could have been "your sister is a whore" for all I know[11:46:06] *** morpheus08 has left #postfix[11:46:46] <sysmonk> vice-versa: tua sorella è una puttana[11:46:53] <vice-versa> la vostra sorella ? una prostituta[11:47:17] <vice-versa> lol[11:47:54] * vice-versa pets babel fish[11:47:58] <f3ew> heh[11:48:23] <f3ew> heh[11:48:24] <sysmonk> vice-versa: atleast we now know one good phrase in italian![11:48:35] *** Jense_ has joined #postfix[11:48:37] <vice-versa> hehe[11:48:50] *** Jense_ is now known as Jense__[11:49:03] <sysmonk> postfix not only delivers your mail, but also teaches you italian![11:49:03] <sysmonk> ;)[11:49:56] * sysmonk remembers when i once had to fix some guys laptop, and it was runing windows xp. not the usual one, it was an chineese/korean/whatever_strange_language windows xp[11:50:25] <sysmonk> doing some stuff was easy, until .... it showed an error :)[11:50:55] <vice-versa> yeah I had the same experience years ago[11:55:01] <vice-versa> Korean or some shit, pretty confusing, got a little taste of how some non-English speaking people must feel on an English OS[11:55:25] <sysmonk> heyyy, i'm non-english one :P[11:55:39] <sysmonk> and i _really_ hate translated stuff ;/[11:55:47] <sysmonk> i never used any program in lithuanian, it just sucks[11:56:59] <vice-versa> translation can suck some times[11:57:19] <sysmonk> s/can//; s/some times//[11:57:19] <sysmonk> ;)[11:58:56] *** Jense has quit IRC[12:00:09] <vice-versa> like that recent article I read about some restaurant in China that had their name translated to English for a sign but know one confirmed the on-line translation[12:00:17] <vice-versa> "Translate Server Error."[12:00:25] <sysmonk> ye, saw that :)[12:05:05] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[12:22:16] *** Linker3000W has joined #postfix[12:23:12] *** hever has quit IRC[12:24:56] *** Draecos has left #postfix[12:26:57] *** cpm has joined #postfix[12:29:29] *** justin_ has joined #postfix[12:30:23] <justin_> sorry to bother, but if a mail is in the var/spool/postfix/postdrop folder, does that mean that it's about to be sent?[12:31:23] <justin_> or is there a way to enquire at a detailed level on a particular mail in the queue? i know it's queue ID..[12:31:55] <justin_> (we just have a client urgently waiting for some mail, but don't know how enquire about that particular mail)[12:33:23] <vice-versa> postdrop?[12:34:30] <justin_> vice-versa: thanks, but doesn't that actually create a file and attempt to send a mail[12:34:38] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[12:34:46] *** gbr has joined #postfix[12:35:28] <gbr> Hello, I have a problem with qmgr and postfix. I cannot send mail, instead I get: Aug 13 12:17:45 quad postfix/qmgr[17939]: 10165A1A146: removed[12:35:32] <vice-versa> justin_: I was questioning that there was a queue named postdrop[12:35:46] <vice-versa> I know there is maildrop[12:35:58] <vice-versa> but postdrop?[12:36:41] <justin_> vice-versa: oh ok thanks. i'm in the /var/spool/postfix dir and i ran the command: ls -lR | grep 57536BDA842B[12:36:53] <justin_> it returned: -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody postdrop 3855 2008-08-13 12:20 57536BDA842B[12:36:57] <gbr> http://rafb.net/p/9IJ7Jo59.html <-- postconf -n[12:37:24] <vice-versa> justin_: what does mailq show you[12:38:58] <justin_> vice-versa: it's listed in the mailq[12:39:20] <justin_> vice-versa: but doesn't have any further details[12:40:11] <justin_> vice-versa: is there a way to get more detail than that?[12:40:40] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[12:41:33] <vice-versa> postcat -q <queueid>[12:41:49] <vice-versa> and or grep your logs for the queueid[12:44:59] <justin_> vice-versa: thanks so much[12:45:04] <justin_> i'll give that a try[12:45:08] <vice-versa> justin_: most likely in the deferred queue[12:45:40] <gbr> Why is postfix not connecting? Aug 13 12:45:01 quad postfix/smtp[18361]: connect to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[66.249.91.27]:25: Connection timed out[12:45:51] <vice-versa> justin_: find /var/spool/postfix/ -name <queueid> can also give you a quick idea where it's at[12:47:01] <vice-versa> justin_: but without more details it's hard to assist any further than this[12:47:55] <vice-versa> gbr: 25 blocked?[12:47:59] <justin_> vice-versa: thanks very much. i see that, according to the qshape man page, the maildrop is the local submission directory[12:48:26] <gbr> vice-versa: no, I have asked my ISP and its all ok.[12:48:48] <gbr> I can deliver mail locally but can not send to gmail[12:49:01] <gbr> If I try qmgr removes my mail..[12:49:08] <vice-versa> what about other smtp's[12:49:21] <gbr> hmm, haven't tried[12:49:24] <gbr> im on it[12:50:02] <gbr> removed..[12:50:27] <vice-versa> huh?, what?[12:50:34] <gbr> It removes the mail[12:50:51] <gbr> qmgr[12:51:20] <gbr> In my log: Aug 13 12:49:53 quad postfix/qmgr[18357]: 60842A1A268: removed[12:52:35] <vice-versa> ok, but I have no idea what or where 60842A1A268 is about other than it's a queue id[12:52:49] <vice-versa> so it doesn't really answer the question[12:52:57] <gbr> first of all, what is qmgr?[12:53:03] <gbr> is it my spamassassin?[12:53:23] <vice-versa> qmgr(8)[12:53:27] <gbr> ah, the intresting part is the last word, it removes my mail[12:53:38] <gbr> may it treats it like a spammessage?[12:54:10] <vice-versa> qmgr is the postfix queue manager, man qmgr[12:54:14] <gbr> ah[12:54:26] <gbr> So it removes it from my queue?[12:55:17] <vice-versa> that's part of it's job yes[12:55:17] *** adaptr_work has joined #postfix[12:55:25] <vice-versa> read the man page[12:55:56] * adaptr_work refuses[12:59:19] <Linker3000W> Hi - I have setup an in-house SMS gateway using SMS Server tools 3 and it's working fine. I'd now like to have an email->SMS gateway for in-house staff. All I need to do is dump inbound emails in a specified folder and do a bit of text parsing. I have been googling the topic and come up with a *lot* of different 'solutions' so can anyone suggest any specific instructions/sites to help me...[12:59:21] <Linker3000W> ...narrow down my research. Thanks.[13:04:53] *** orion99 has joined #postfix[13:06:15] *** keffer has quit IRC[13:07:31] <adaptr_work> Linker3000W: : you can simply transport the mail you want to an application or a script, either via procmail or through a dedicated (SMTP) transport[13:08:01] <adaptr_work> procmail or maildrop is the solution of choice if you don't want to have to build SMTP capability into your scripts[13:08:25] <Linker3000W> Thanks - I was just being lazy and hoped to grab an example off-the-shelf as I don't often get to play with that side of postfix[13:09:13] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[13:09:55] *** bhagat has quit IRC[13:20:27] *** dinar has joined #postfix[13:20:39] *** dinar has left #postfix[13:24:22] <gbr> SOLVED![13:24:24] <gbr> mwaahaha[13:24:29] <gbr> in your face postfix.[13:25:06] <vice-versa> O.o[13:28:51] <gbr> vice-versa: I climbed the mountain that was named Postfix and I reached the top! I took the head of King postfix and brought it back to my city steps![13:29:36] <vice-versa> ahhh umm, ok...[13:29:51] <gbr> What im trying to say is that I found a solution for my problem.[13:30:04] <gbr> There should be a "," instead of "."[13:30:13] <gbr> ... :s[13:30:37] <Linker3000W> gbr needs to cut down on the caffeine :-([13:30:38] <gbr> in my main.fc[13:30:39] <vice-versa> yeah the "SOLVED!" kinda gave that one away[13:30:57] <gbr> Im trying to cut down you know..[13:31:11] <gbr> Im on a very sensitivy period in my life.. *sniffle*[13:31:28] <gbr> caffeine is my only friend[13:31:34] <gbr> and you guyes[13:31:37] <gbr> I love you[13:31:44] <vice-versa> fu[13:31:49] <vice-versa> ;)[13:31:51] <gbr> ...![13:32:32] <gbr> well.[13:32:57] *** m1n3s6 has quit IRC[13:33:42] <cpm> well, we all love you too, and your coffee[13:33:53] *** justin__ has joined #postfix[13:34:36] <gbr> :)[13:35:12] *** justin_ has quit IRC[13:36:20] <cpm> lotta love on irc today. someone down on #cisco want to sing, someone else proclaiming love for the folks on the channel, oh, what a wonderful world.[13:36:54] <vice-versa> just peachy[13:37:05] <cpm> quite.[13:38:01] <vice-versa> you get that postfix abomination of yours sorted out yet cpm?[13:38:24] <cpm> vice-versa, which one?[13:39:00] <vice-versa> hehe, the one where you had multiple versions mixed together or some such[13:39:18] <cpm> Oh that.[13:39:20] <cpm> no big deal[13:39:22] <cpm> :)[13:39:31] <cpm> nothing a complete rewrite won't fix.[13:39:52] <cpm> was pretty funny though.[13:40:02] <vice-versa> yeah that's the one, the one that had you yanking at the last few hairs you have left[13:40:34] <vice-versa> aliases weirdness iirc[13:43:35] *** gbr has quit IRC[13:46:15] *** Vivek has joined #postfix[13:48:18] *** pulsar has quit IRC[13:50:48] *** PcPixel has joined #postfix[13:57:51] *** tuxinator has quit IRC[14:04:28] *** justin__ has left #postfix[14:06:13] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[14:07:05] *** gcleric has quit IRC[14:07:57] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[14:10:16] *** gcleric has quit IRC[14:11:09] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[14:15:23] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[14:18:00] *** EasilyOdd_ has joined #postfix[14:18:08] *** EasilyOdd has quit IRC[14:18:09] *** EasilyOdd_ has quit IRC[14:18:53] *** q-tip has joined #postfix[14:19:36] <q-tip> Guys need to change a postfix server over to a new domain name is there a best practise anybody aware of ?[14:20:25] <PcPixel> what is changing to the new domain[14:20:33] <PcPixel> the mail its accepting or the physical box itself[14:21:21] <q-tip> I have a mail server (only 1 ;) ) we just got bought by another company and therefore the company has decided to change domain name therefore I need to migrate from one tld to another[14:21:37] <q-tip> so basically the name of the machine will change eventually[14:22:02] <q-tip> and all email addresses of course[14:22:54] *** jellis-real has joined #postfix[14:23:10] <PcPixel> you need to be sure that MX records are updated in DNS[14:23:24] <vice-versa> clean slate or do you have to preserve the old addresses too?[14:23:40] <PcPixel> mornin vice![14:23:47] <vice-versa> hey[14:24:01] <q-tip> I have to preserve the old addresses I guess for a year ot two[14:24:53] <vice-versa> how many accouts are we talking about?[14:25:16] <PcPixel> and is this a relay system?[14:25:43] <q-tip> not many there is about 20 accounts so I guess I could just take the server off line reinstall but there is imap sitting behind im not sure if that will break I inherrited this system for another 8([14:26:07] <q-tip> This is not an openrelay if thats what you mean.[14:26:13] <vice-versa> no need to take it off-line[14:27:24] <q-tip> I have so far added rewrite rules in the generic file from old to new this works ok and I redirect the new domain to the old email address but I really need to migrate completely to the new domain rather than hack it to get it working ;)[14:27:56] <q-tip> by the way its currently part of kolab of which I would like to remove![14:27:58] <vice-versa> what's it currently using, local unix accounts or virtual?[14:28:08] <q-tip> uses ldap from kolab[14:28:26] <vice-versa> so virtual[14:28:33] <q-tip> but I have already setup another ldap server and a standalone postfix server that works ok[14:29:00] *** skyweb has quit IRC[14:29:08] <vice-versa> well bascically what you have to do is the opposite of what you just said you did[14:29:13] <q-tip> but just need a few tips on the bes way to move the old server to the new domain[14:29:38] <q-tip> hahaha opposite ? you mean change the server over then rewrite the old email address to the new yes ?[14:29:52] <vice-versa> it's easy enough, I just went through the same thing at the first of the week for a client[14:31:32] *** skyweb has joined #postfix[14:32:36] <q-tip> I was thinking: install new postfix server with new domain rewrite old domain forward to old server util ready to swap over does this sound feasable ?[14:33:52] <vice-versa> seems excessive for the task at hand[14:34:44] <vice-versa> is the existing setup accepting mail for the new domain?[14:36:43] <riz_> Hi. Does someone use ovs (http://openvisp.fr/doku/doku.php?id=stats:intro) for graph postfix?[14:38:50] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix[14:40:52] <vice-versa> !anyone[14:40:52] <knoba> vice-versa: "anyone" : Please do not ask if anyone uses someprogram. Instead ask your real question.[14:41:01] * PcPixel snickers[14:43:56] <sysmonk> !vice-versa[14:43:56] <knoba> sysmonk: "vice-versa" : adv : with the order reversed; on the contrary; on opposite sides. eg: 'rob0 loathes cpm and vice-versa'[14:44:05] <sysmonk> :))[14:44:09] <sysmonk> !evil[14:44:10] <knoba> sysmonk: "evil" : is sysmonk[14:45:00] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[14:45:59] <PcPixel> cute :)\[14:46:00] <PcPixel> morning monk[14:46:08] * cpm yawns[14:46:20] <vice-versa> is that like morning wood?[14:46:46] <sysmonk> afternoon PcPixel[14:47:08] <PcPixel> ew[14:47:08] <PcPixel> lol[14:47:47] <PcPixel> does recipient_relay_maps slow down with lots of addresses and files?[14:48:10] *** keffer has joined #postfix[14:48:45] <cpm> is your question something akin to "does increasing the number of factors that require computation slow down the computation process?"[14:49:04] <PcPixel> yay verilly[14:49:32] <PcPixel> would using a single map improve performance then[14:50:14] <vice-versa> are you fixing something that isn't broken?[14:50:18] <cpm> yup.[14:50:22] <PcPixel> no[14:50:26] <PcPixel> im using something the way it was meant to[14:50:36] <PcPixel> currently i have my own "relay_recipient_maps" i wrote[14:50:41] <cpm> the answer is intuitive to the conscientious student.[14:50:47] <PcPixel> im switching to the one built into postfix[14:50:58] <PcPixel> but the few times i tried it on our live server, mail wasnt coming through[14:51:06] <PcPixel> i just tested it with 4 addresses on my test box & it worked fine[14:51:21] <PcPixel> im now getting ready to load all the original maps into the test box to see what i get[14:51:38] * PcPixel hasn't finishe dhis morning Amp yet[14:52:07] <PcPixel> but i would say yes then cpm. a single map would help.[14:53:13] <roe_> well that's your problem, stick to coffee; things will make much more sense[14:53:56] <PcPixel> oddly enough i cant do coffee. its bizare: i love the msell of beans, it being ground, and it being brewed. but sticka cup in front of me & i cant drink it[14:55:27] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[14:55:42] <PcPixel> if im using postfix as a pure relay i dont need to have virtual aliases for postmaster/etc if they exist on the exchange box right?[14:56:21] <f3ew> chocolate![14:56:25] <f3ew> 90%![14:56:39] <cpm> Umm, yes, you need some form of recipient verification. If you don't, you will end up accepting mail that you can't deliver, and bouncing it. Which makes you a de-facto backscatter host.[14:57:34] <PcPixel> recipient verification?[14:58:04] <cpm> chocolate makes me sleepy(ier) and stupid(er).[14:58:30] <PcPixel> reasoni ask the question is im relaying for ~7 companies. i'd like each company to have its own postmaster[14:58:36] <cpm> PcPixel, your postfix box needs to know to reject mail bound for a recipient to which it cannot deliver.[14:58:44] <PcPixel> so people can report mail problems against the company instead of just the parent organization[14:58:56] <PcPixel> cpm: thats what the relay_recipient_maps is for[14:59:12] <cpm> okay.[14:59:43] <cpm> so, if postmaster at domain1 dot tld, and postmaster at domain2 dot tld and so forth actually exist. Then you should be fine.[15:00:24] <cpm> I'm curious as to why, if you are the relay (wrapper) for a bunch of exchange domains, you are here asking questions.[15:00:35] <cpm> you should be some kinda minor postmaster god.[15:01:46] <PcPixel> cpm: i havent decided it yet[15:02:05] <PcPixel> cpm: reason being is some companies are particular about "dont email the parent cause we dont want them to know they are a subsidiary"[15:02:05] <cpm> decided what?[15:02:15] <cpm> eh?[15:02:21] <PcPixel> cpm: sorry, multitasking.[15:02:27] * cpm chuckles[15:02:28] <PcPixel> cpm: parent company owns 7 kids[15:02:32] <cpm> k[15:02:34] <PcPixel> in some cases[15:02:41] <PcPixel> they dont want customers to know that[15:02:49] <cpm> ashamed of themselves eh?[15:02:52] <PcPixel> so if we tell them send to postmaster at parent dot com, they will wonder[15:02:58] <PcPixel> com: you dony know the half of it[15:03:04] *** molnarp has joined #postfix[15:03:15] <PcPixel> cpm rather[15:04:15] <cpm> fair enough. I'd set up a completely unrelated domain. Run a mailman list on it, called postmaster. Referr all postmaster aliases to it, and subscribe all relevant personnel to that list.[15:05:15] <cpm> or put a RT type system behind it, but you still want mailmans moderation abilities. Postmaster typically attracts a lot of ube/uce[15:05:26] <PcPixel> oh lets not talk about RT lol[15:05:27] <cpm> PcPixel, this is how I do it.[15:05:42] <PcPixel> well yes, all the mail would go to a single mail account[15:05:48] <PcPixel> but from the outside it looks different[15:06:14] <molnarp> Hi everyone! I have a Postfix virtual setup, with only one domain, say company.com . I can perfectly receive mails for user at company dot com-style addresses, but a few people keeps sending mail to user at mailserver dot company.com-style addresses. I'd like to rewrite all addresses from user at mailserver dot company.com to user at company dot com. How can I do that?[15:06:52] <molnarp> Now all mail that is addressed to user at mailserver dot company.com is bounced back[15:07:03] <cpm> PcPixel, I can strongly recommend the mailman approach though. It does work well. Was going to offer this as a commercial service. postmasterat.com, but rob0 screwed it up.[15:08:12] * PcPixel chuckles[15:09:40] <cpm> http://postmasterat.com/[15:12:25] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[15:12:40] *** Acoon has quit IRC[15:12:40] *** Jense__ has quit IRC[15:15:45] <PcPixel> cpm: sounds good[15:15:56] <PcPixel> cpm: the main reason i want it fixed is right now, users cant even mail us with issues[15:16:03] <PcPixel> they couldnt before under sendmail[15:16:12] <PcPixel> and they cant now because my restrictions out out of whack[15:16:30] <PcPixel> im reworking them now, and its looking good. but i want to make sure management is all kisses and hugs when i do this[15:17:34] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:18:46] <cpm> PcPixel, there aren't many addresses covered by rfc, but postmaster and abuse.[15:19:02] <PcPixel> yup[15:19:19] <PcPixel> like i said, its more political than anything else right now[15:23:49] <PcPixel> im just tired of having users have to mail us to an outside address to get the message headers for issues[15:25:11] *** gcleric has quit IRC[15:25:13] *** nphase_ has joined #postfix[15:28:00] <cpm> mail to postmaster/abuse should always go through.[15:28:16] <cpm> hence putting a mailman moderation queue behind those addresses[15:28:47] <PcPixel> oh i know it should[15:28:57] <PcPixel> it didnt before under my bosses old sendmail server[15:29:07] <PcPixel> and doesnt under my postfix server cause i made a mistake in restriction order[15:35:04] *** cilly has quit IRC[15:36:03] *** standel has joined #postfix[15:40:00] <standel> hi all. We were using postfix 2.2.11 and wanted to update to postfix 2.5. We've observed two things : a slow down of more or less 20% in the capacity to treat messages and i.s.o queuing in the active queue (way it was queuing at peak hours for instance with 2.2.11 in our case), it enqueues in the incoming queue. Are these changes of behavior known?[15:40:48] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:42:48] *** xnixan has quit IRC[15:48:45] *** podman99a has joined #postfix[15:49:57] <podman99a> hey all ... with the transport DB either txt or DB can i send all inbound mail to a domain/email/subdomain to another e-mail address instead of server ... i.e. smtp:[server.address] to smtp:podman at mydomaain dot com[15:50:54] <Captain> that isn tranport... this is an alias[15:51:39] *** nphase_ has quit IRC[15:51:54] <podman99a> captin, so have to be done from diffent table[15:52:12] <Captain> yep[15:52:26] <podman99a> thanks captain[15:53:35] *** standel has quit IRC[15:54:53] <molnarp> anyone could please help me?[15:55:29] <piksi> has anyone else having postfix and selinux on the same computer encountered this in syslog messages: SElinux is preventing pickup (postfix_pickup_t) "sys_chroot" ? I haven't found any guides mentioning selinux blocking postfix or any bugreports[15:56:37] <Captain> hm[15:57:24] <Captain> seems that postifx_pickup_t is a var and "sys_chroot" is the value[15:57:31] <Captain> is postfix chrooted?[15:58:34] <piksi> Captain: uhh, how do i see that? i have never done pretty much anything else than configured main.cf and master.cf with postfix and ran /etc/init.d/postfix restart ;-)[15:58:52] *** car_watt has joined #postfix[15:59:11] *** standel has joined #postfix[15:59:18] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:00:28] <Captain> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-selinux-list/2008-July/msg00047.html[16:00:36] <Captain> something like this?[16:02:11] <piksi> no, i haven't configured anything like that. actually i rarely touch selinux or any auditing tools, i just keep them the way they came with the distro (as it is recommended)[16:02:47] *** gcleric has joined #postfix[16:10:12] *** blackflag has quit IRC[16:10:17] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[16:10:38] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[16:13:48] *** sophokles has quit IRC[16:18:16] <PcPixel> selinux is annoying[16:25:38] <piksi> i agree[16:26:14] <piksi> i'm still a bit hesitant of removing it: it does provide extra security and it's default in almost every major distro now[16:26:20] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[16:26:31] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[16:27:13] *** molnarp has quit IRC[16:27:26] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[16:31:40] *** Shamgar has joined #postfix[16:34:16] <Shamgar> We have a postfix server that runs fine most of the time, but late every night, it spins out of control, the smtpd and cleanup processes skyrocket, and the queue fills up. If we block incoming mail with a quick iptables rule, the cleanup processes take care of themselves and everything rights itself, and then we can clear the rule and it'll be fine until the next night.[16:34:21] <Shamgar> Anyone seen anything like this?[16:42:19] *** standel has quit IRC[16:45:25] <tore> if I set the "nomail"-option in membership management on a member. will that user still be allowed to send mail to the list?[16:45:31] <tore> mailman, btw[16:45:35] <tore> wrong place, maybe? ;---p[16:47:25] <PcPixel> piksi: windows defender is standard with vista. doesnt mean i like it :P[16:50:07] <piksi> PcPixel: not comparable. selinux is useful, it's just damn annoying as well[16:51:03] <PcPixel> ive yet to find ause for it other than annoy me[16:51:10] *** gcleric has quit IRC[16:51:15] <PcPixel> it prevents me from postmaping anything[16:51:39] *** Knoedel2 has quit IRC[16:52:05] *** q-tip has quit IRC[16:54:17] <shasta> Shamgar, sounds like someone's sending you mails every night (-:[16:54:24] <shasta> logs are your friend, Shamgar[16:55:00] <PcPixel> yeah; read the logs to see whats hitting you[16:55:15] <PcPixel> we see spam spikes over the weekend here, but our restrictions/rules keep it under control[16:55:23] <PcPixel> we also have a respectable system running postfix as well[16:56:10] *** nphase_ has joined #postfix[16:59:23] <Shamgar> yeah, I have looked at the logs.[16:59:39] <Shamgar> and I have cacti graphs displaying all kinds of traffic data, plus custom rrds tracking connections, rejections, etc.[16:59:44] <Shamgar> everything looks normal.[17:00:58] <Shamgar> from logs/etc it *looks* like cleanup just suddenly gets something in its craw and stops closing, the procs stackup, and everythign escalates.[17:02:33] *** tore has quit IRC[17:08:05] <vice-versa> Shamgar: is it at the same time every night?[17:09:06] *** orion99 has quit IRC[17:09:19] *** dusty_ has quit IRC[17:12:41] *** pulsar has joined #postfix[17:13:52] *** skyweb has quit IRC[17:37:47] *** standel has joined #postfix[17:39:30] *** _fEnIo_ has joined #postfix[17:39:36] <_fEnIo_> hello[17:40:02] <_fEnIo_> I'm trying to set up second instance of Postfix in some chroot only to be able to send mailings via it, but I have problems.[17:40:55] <_fEnIo_> I need bounced messages / delivery reports in main Postfix instance, not in chroot and I get "loops back to myself" error.[17:41:11] <_fEnIo_> Which config variable should I read about to be able to set up it?[17:41:52] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:42:41] <_fEnIo_> I've got only one IP address so I chose to set it up to different ports[17:43:22] *** hparker has joined #postfix[17:43:29] <vice-versa> !loopback[17:43:30] <knoba> vice-versa: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[17:43:50] *** dusty_ has joined #postfix[17:46:14] *** programm3rq has left #postfix[17:47:20] *** _nalle has quit IRC[17:49:46] <jduggan_> /win 11[17:50:23] *** car_watt has quit IRC[17:51:09] *** dusty_ has quit IRC[17:52:18] <_fEnIo_> vice-versa: nice, but indeed mail loops back to myself, but is there any way to force it to send such mail on the same IP but on the port 25?[17:52:30] <_fEnIo_> that secondardy postfix listen on 2525 port[17:53:30] *** seekwill has quit IRC[17:55:57] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[17:58:45] <vice-versa> transport map[17:59:08] *** podman99a has quit IRC[18:00:02] *** standel has quit IRC[18:01:54] <_fEnIo_> vice-versa: I tried it but without success[18:01:55] <_fEnIo_> cd2.pl smtp:[localhost]:25[18:01:58] <_fEnIo_> something like that?[18:02:20] <vice-versa> yeah[18:02:41] <vice-versa> but really, the default for smtp client is 25[18:04:27] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:05:52] <Shamgar> vice-versa: not really[18:06:22] <vice-versa> _fEnIo_: does the chroot even know what localhost is?[18:06:46] <vice-versa> try 127.0.0.1[18:11:53] *** tshine has joined #postfix[18:12:19] <_fEnIo_> relay=none, delay=0.08, delays=0.08/0/0/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for 127.0.0.1 loops back to myself)[18:12:22] <_fEnIo_> blah[18:12:35] *** sophokles has quit IRC[18:12:42] *** havvg has joined #postfix[18:12:48] <_fEnIo_> maybe I'll try to use there public IP[18:13:46] <_fEnIo_> mail for 89.149.244.223 loops back to myself[18:13:52] <_fEnIo_> ech[18:14:11] <_fEnIo_> seems it's not possible with transport map to do that[18:14:36] <_fEnIo_> it still wants to send it in that secondary postfix and not primary :/[18:17:32] <_fEnIo_> is there any one to say that secondary one that it is responsible only for 2525 port and not for 25 and force it to send it somewhere else?[18:19:37] *** EasilyOdd has quit IRC[18:20:13] *** Haris__ has joined #postfix[18:20:39] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[18:21:00] <pickcoder> is there anyway to specify what user and aliases pipe is run as?[18:21:38] <pickcoder> s/and/an[18:21:55] <vice-versa> pickcoder: iirc it's based off the owner of the aliases file[18:22:19] <pickcoder> I'm pretty sure root owns /etc/aliases[18:22:25] <pickcoder> and it's being run as nobody.nobody[18:22:32] <pickcoder> having a problem with oo.org macros[18:23:42] <pickcoder> I supposed I could set up a pipe transport[18:23:51] <pickcoder> man my typing is off today[18:23:57] <pickcoder> need more Dew[18:24:24] * PcPixel hgih fives pickcoder[18:24:28] <PcPixel> ;)[18:25:13] <pickcoder> I even tried sudo with no luck[18:30:05] <pickcoder> meh.. transports don't work either[18:30:09] <pickcoder> getting user unknown[18:30:55] <pickcoder> duh.. transport_maps is commented[18:32:15] <pickcoder> ok.. what am I missing..[18:32:22] <pickcoder> user@domain queue:localhost[18:32:26] <pickcoder> user is not a local user[18:32:40] <pickcoder> I don't want an alias for user[18:35:49] <pickcoder> !virtual[18:35:49] <knoba> pickcoder: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[18:37:24] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:38:06] *** Haris has quit IRC[18:39:09] *** car_watt has joined #postfix[18:39:10] *** dusty_ has joined #postfix[18:39:14] *** _nalle has joined #postfix[18:42:35] *** dusty_ has left #postfix[18:42:55] *** githogori has quit IRC[18:44:12] <PcPixel> omg my bosses spam access file is unmanagable![18:45:20] <vice-versa> spam access?[18:45:21] <PcPixel> domains mixed with IPs mixed with senders[18:45:28] <PcPixel> he has been maintaining a "block file"[18:45:35] <PcPixel> to help combat spam[18:45:45] <PcPixel> since the format was the same, i just postmapped it & added it[18:45:53] <PcPixel> im going through cleaning up the main.cf and other various files[18:45:57] <PcPixel> so im taking a look at the file[18:46:12] <PcPixel> its incomprehensable and unmanagable[18:48:34] * pickcoder beats oo.org with a spicy slimjim[18:49:15] <roe_> 2.4 or 3.0?[18:49:18] <PcPixel> im going to split it into three files[18:49:25] <PcPixel> IPs, addresses, and domains[18:49:38] <roe_> gotta watch out for 3.0 it kicks back[18:49:38] <PcPixel> after my chiropractic that is[18:49:44] <PcPixel> later! :)[18:49:45] *** PcPixel has quit IRC[18:53:08] *** madrescher has quit IRC[18:54:43] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[18:56:08] <pickcoder> 2.4[18:56:26] <pickcoder> I'm trying to do headless conversions from a mail pipe[18:57:14] <shoonya> is it possible to create a dynamic group/alias using ldap (for example, the group/alias name could be dept name like mktg and any user belonging to this dept automatically becomes a member of this group/alias)[18:58:09] *** felix-da-catz_zz is now known as felix-da-catz[18:59:02] *** spiderr has joined #postfix[19:01:25] <pickcoder> shoonya: you can use virtual_alias_maps to map a virtual user to several local users[19:01:42] <pickcoder> ok this is getting frustrating[19:01:52] <pickcoder> a regular mail runs through the pipe transport correctly[19:02:03] <pickcoder> unless my oo2pdf script is called for a MS document[19:02:10] <pickcoder> no errors anywhere[19:02:21] <pickcoder> the conversions just don't happpen[19:03:16] <pickcoder> !pipe[19:03:17] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "pipe" is not a valid command.[19:06:53] <shoonya> pickcoder: can you give example of the configuration ?[19:09:43] <pickcoder> !virtual[19:09:43] <knoba> pickcoder: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[19:09:53] <pickcoder> !virtual_alias_maps[19:09:54] <knoba> pickcoder: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[19:10:23] <shoonya> !virtual_alias_maps[19:10:24] <knoba> shoonya: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[19:10:37] <pickcoder> this is wierd... I'm running oo.org headless as a valid user with a shell and I still get this: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! ERROR:[19:10:37] <spiderr> is it kosher to have check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/whitelist and check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/whitelist use the same file? I have a list generated from domino, and would be easiest to shove that into a single hash map...[19:12:21] *** Virus_FFF has joined #postfix[19:12:36] *** Virus_FFF has quit IRC[19:13:53] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[19:16:29] <pickcoder> spiderr: client access is for the IP of the machine connecting[19:16:42] <pickcoder> sender access is only the MAIL FROM: checker[19:16:49] <sysmonk> and sender... do you understand that it can be forged?[19:16:50] <sysmonk> ye[19:17:09] * pickcoder install sun-jre[19:17:09] *** Haris__ is now known as Haris[19:17:13] <spiderr> pickcoder, nod thanks. is it ok to have both inthe same file though?[19:17:15] * pickcoder grumbles[19:17:18] <vice-versa> pickcoder: are the necessary jre dirs in your path in the piped env.?[19:17:28] * pickcoder hates java[19:17:49] <spiderr> since it's a simple hash lookup, I would expect no conflicts.[19:17:51] <pickcoder> vice-versa: working on that[19:18:01] <pickcoder> spiderr: the conflict would be in context[19:18:09] *** Haris has quit IRC[19:18:23] <spiderr> nod, but not in exectio?[19:18:26] <pickcoder> mail.somedomain.com -> [X.X.X.X] as the server connecting is not the same as spam at somehost dot com[19:18:39] <pickcoder> it's a hash[19:18:42] <pickcoder> no..[19:19:03] <pickcoder> it's kinda pointless IMO though[19:19:21] <pickcoder> unless the MAIL FROM domain part always matches the sender IP/domain[19:20:00] *** hparker has quit IRC[19:20:08] <spiderr> i'm trying to get whitelisting up and running. I have rbl's setup through rbldnsd, etc.[19:20:44] <pickcoder> so make them separate lists[19:20:47] *** hparker has joined #postfix[19:20:52] <pickcoder> servers in one for client[19:20:58] <pickcoder> addresses in another for sender[19:21:14] <pickcoder> it's easier to manage it that way IOM[19:21:16] <pickcoder> IMO[19:22:18] <spiderr> ok. will do. also, the whitelist domino gives me contains complete addresses and just host names to whitelist all from that domain[19:22:40] <spiderr> one line has: krutsch at mac dot com[19:22:46] <spiderr> next has: us.ibm.com[19:22:50] <spiderr> for example...[19:23:01] *** ruwen has joined #postfix[19:23:04] <pickcoder> ugh[19:23:08] <pickcoder> no more java errors[19:23:12] <ruwen> hi[19:23:21] <pickcoder> still having issues with the conversions though[19:23:35] <pickcoder> spiderr: it will work I guess[19:24:01] <pickcoder> if you're building the hash from the list then I would split it[19:24:11] <pickcoder> otherwise I'd just use it as-is[19:24:35] <ruwen> i setup postfix using workaround.org howto. i'm using the alias feature. when i send a mail it gets forwarded and the TO field gets rewritten. can i change this behaviour?[19:24:54] <spiderr> k. thanks pickcoder[19:25:57] <pickcoder> stupid space in filenames is breaking it[19:28:58] *** hparker has quit IRC[19:29:39] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[19:30:09] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[19:30:46] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[19:32:20] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[19:34:57] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[19:36:51] *** Vivek has quit IRC[19:36:52] * vice-versa chuckles[19:37:38] * pickcoder looks around for a commercial MS->pdf convertor[19:37:52] * pickcoder shoves OO.org into a furnace[19:38:05] <ruwen> pickcoder use a pdf printer ;)[19:39:17] <ruwen> http://www.kessler.de/prd/amyuni/pdfconverter.htm <- thats a commercial one, but its in german[19:39:50] <ruwen> http://www.amyuni.com/en/developer/pdfconverter/features.html <- english[19:44:16] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[19:45:13] *** mark-use has joined #postfix[19:46:21] *** githogori has joined #postfix[19:46:22] <pickcoder> I need something for Linux[19:46:58] <pickcoder> I wrote a print-to-queue application but it's combersome to use[19:48:17] <pickcoder> oo2pdf it works fine from the commanline[19:48:20] <pickcoder> s/it//[19:48:34] <pickcoder> when it's run through the pipe transport no conversion happens[19:48:39] <pickcoder> no errors[19:49:19] <ruwen> open ur ms files with openoffice and then export to pdf[19:49:28] <pickcoder> this is for a mail2pdf application[19:49:38] <pickcoder> it has to be batch[19:50:04] <pickcoder> my oo2pdf script runs a macro in OO.org[19:50:16] <pickcoder> it converts a bunch of file types just fine[19:50:22] <pickcoder> as long as you're a real user[19:50:32] <pickcoder> I'm missing something[19:50:37] <ruwen> why convert attachments?[19:50:40] * seekwill is an imaginary user in pickcoder's mind[19:51:01] <ruwen> just attach the original attachments and convert only the mail[19:51:16] <pickcoder> I need one PDF file to import into the order queue[19:51:22] <pickcoder> this is for forwarding e-mails from customers[19:51:30] <pickcoder> so that it can go straight into the processing queue[19:51:51] <pickcoder> faxes and web orders show up already as PDFs[19:52:51] <ruwen> hmm dunno :([19:52:51] <ruwen> bbl[19:53:01] <pickcoder> that's where I'm at now.. again[19:53:19] * pickcoder was >< close to getting a multi-media convertor done[19:53:49] <pickcoder> maybe some nicotine will help stimluate and answer[19:53:59] <pickcoder> it can't hurt my typing that's for sure[19:54:00] <pickcoder> brb[19:54:01] *** skyweb has joined #postfix[20:12:35] *** stegbth has joined #postfix[20:18:25] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[20:23:30] *** car_watt has quit IRC[20:25:39] <pickcoder> interesting.. even the command line option doesn't work as a user[20:25:55] <pickcoder> why would it work in OO, but not on command line[20:26:18] *** shoonya has quit IRC[20:27:22] *** GoatCheezWork has joined #postfix[20:27:54] <GoatCheezWork> how do I tell postfix to deliver "local" mail the same way it does all other mail?[20:28:30] <pickcoder> the local transport[20:28:33] <pickcoder> !local[20:28:33] <knoba> pickcoder: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.[20:29:12] <GoatCheezWork> ok, how do i get it to not use local for domains listed in $mydestination[20:29:16] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[20:29:26] *** Linker3000W has quit IRC[20:29:26] <sysmonk> don't list them in mydestinations ?[20:29:27] <sysmonk> ;)[20:29:28] <pickcoder> don't put them in mydestination[20:29:33] <sysmonk> hehe[20:29:43] <GoatCheezWork> lol[20:29:45] <pickcoder> !virtual[20:29:45] <knoba> pickcoder: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[20:29:56] <GoatCheezWork> yeah, it just seems like a "hack" to do it that way[20:30:03] <pickcoder> the real question is what are you doing[20:30:35] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[20:30:42] <GoatCheezWork> well, i'm using a machine to send out mass e-mails - it queues the e-mails and sends them out, and has a very specific timing setup due to it's nature[20:30:45] <sysmonk> pickcoder: no, the real questions is what is he TRYING to do[20:30:57] <GoatCheezWork> but for "local" e-mails i get an error since i didn't setup any of the user accounts[20:31:21] <sysmonk> why do you send mails to "local" ?[20:31:24] <GoatCheezWork> and they don't log into the machine to check mail - and it's not receiving any mail[20:31:38] * sysmonk still doesn't get it[20:31:38] <GoatCheezWork> b/c the users are in the database... it's sending them to user at thisdomain dot com[20:32:04] <sysmonk> GoatCheezWork: oh, and why do you have 'thisdomain.com' in mydestination ?[20:32:13] <GoatCheezWork> we SHOULD be using a mailing list, etc... but I just got here not to long ago, and there's only 3 of us, and one of the ppl is completely incompetent[20:32:23] <GoatCheezWork> hmmm[20:32:28] <GoatCheezWork> good question[20:32:29] <pickcoder> GoatCheezWork: so setup a transport for your local domain and route them back to a real server[20:32:50] <pickcoder> give the spam server a different mailname[20:32:52] <GoatCheezWork> aha[20:32:54] <pickcoder> myorigin[20:32:54] <GoatCheezWork> default config[20:33:05] <GoatCheezWork> i had myhostname setup, and it defaults to $myhostname[20:33:21] <stegbth> hello everybody,[20:33:42] <GoatCheezWork> hehe... spam server.... yeah, it pretty much is very close to that lol[20:34:24] <pickcoder> technically, if you give the machine a different name and it can do local DNS to find the LAN IP of domain.com then it should go there anyway[20:34:25] <vice-versa> speaking of which, spam delivery attempts seem pretty high today[20:34:41] <pickcoder> you don't have to do anything fancy to split the mail[20:35:24] <pickcoder> you should see the mail routing I have setup here for our newsletter[20:35:31] <vice-versa> zombies are having a field day[20:35:33] <pickcoder> it's got 3 hops before it hits the pipes[20:36:30] <GoatCheezWork> pickcoder: yeah, i'd like to see that - this is doing exactly that - mailing a newsletter to customers that are signed up for it[20:36:32] <pickcoder> OO.org is going to give me more grey than my girls are giving me[20:37:01] <GoatCheezWork> can i leave mydesination blank? will it be fine or will it go to defaults?[20:37:14] <stegbth> i am fighting against a spambomb, which was sent out with sender-email from our user's. now we get 10000 MAILER-DAEMON mails back a hour :( so first i locked out MAILER-DAEMON@ but this cant be the long term solution. so i tried body_checks and added to main.cf "body_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/body_checks" and in the file body_checks contains: "/*medicall*/REJECT" but postfix complains: warning: regexp map /etc/postfix/body_checks, line[20:37:27] <pickcoder> GoatCheezWork: if you remove it defaults will be enabled[20:37:36] <GoatCheezWork> eh?[20:37:40] *** PcPixel has joined #postfix[20:38:23] <GoatCheezWork> currently it has no mydestination = in the config file, i was going to add literally "mydestination = " - will that make it go to defaults? defaults are what made it do what I don't want it to do lol[20:38:54] <vice-versa> stegbth: backscatter storm, just lovely[20:38:58] <pickcoder> no.. specifying it with no option will null it out[20:39:07] <pickcoder> removing it from main.cf will enable defaults[20:39:13] <GoatCheezWork> ok, thanks[20:39:44] <pickcoder> stegbth: did it come from a single IP?[20:40:05] <stegbth> no, all over the world, bring's back the non delivery mails[20:40:26] <stegbth> russia, chile, singapoor, france, germany, netherland[20:40:37] <pickcoder> oh I follow you[20:40:47] <pickcoder> I misunderstoo your first statement[20:40:57] <stegbth> everything else, but not lovely :([20:40:59] <pickcoder> I thought one user sent out a spambomb and it was bouncing back[20:41:29] <stegbth> currently most of them contains a link to a url in singapoor, which is not reachable[20:41:44] <pickcoder> we used to get those[20:43:09] <pickcoder> GoatCheezWork: is the machine that's sending the list the mail server too?[20:43:21] <stegbth> no, it is spam, sent from all over the world (spam zombies?) with any name and a sending-email-adress from on of our user's, so the mailserver's from everywhere informs our user, about not successfull delivery :([20:44:03] <pickcoder> stegbth: pastebin the entire regex error[20:46:48] <stegbth> http://pastebin.com/d425bb646[20:47:40] <stegbth> pickcoder: reload the pastebin, i added the line from the mail[20:48:00] *** spiderr has left #postfix[20:48:34] <pickcoder> !body_checks[20:48:34] <knoba> pickcoder: "body_checks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection as specified in the body_checks(5) manual page.[20:49:40] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[20:49:51] <stegbth> pickcoder: ?? what do you mean with !body_checks?[20:49:58] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[20:50:42] <pickcoder> looking for a link[20:51:30] *** hever has joined #postfix[20:51:44] <pickcoder> try /^(.*)medicall(.*)$/ REJECT[20:53:57] <PcPixel> man this IP blocking file goes on forever!!![20:54:08] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[20:55:50] *** tomocha6 has joined #postfix[20:56:13] <stegbth> pickcoder: ok, there is no errormessage in the logfile anymore, but the mail get still delivered[20:56:14] *** mark-use_ has joined #postfix[20:56:20] *** mark-use has quit IRC[20:57:06] <stegbth> i installed postfix-pcre and replaced in the main.cf regexp by pcre, does that matter?[20:57:44] *** cilly has quit IRC[20:59:30] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[20:59:39] <stegbth> pickcoder: with regexp this line work's thanx, but why i have to accept any text with the (.*) *[21:00:03] <stegbth> what is need to use pcre?, which should be faster[21:00:30] *** pickcoder is now known as pickcoder_[21:00:36] *** pickcoder_ is now known as pickcode[21:00:38] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[21:02:42] <vice-versa> stegbth: what was the intent of your expression?[21:03:02] *** pickcode is now known as pickcoder[21:03:55] <vice-versa> /.*medicall*/ that would resolve you're error too[21:03:56] *** _nalle has quit IRC[21:05:53] <vice-versa> PCRE = Perl compatible regular expressions[21:06:25] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[21:08:30] *** GoatCheezWork has quit IRC[21:09:01] <stegbth> vice-versa: i read pcre is faster, than regexp, pickcoder helped me, to set up the body_checks correctly. body_checks contain's now: "/^(.*)medicall(.*)$/ REJECT reply from spam with wrong sender" so i replaced in main.cf "body_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/body_checks" with "body_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/body_checks" but then the regexp seems not to work? anymore[21:10:06] <vice-versa> ok, fwiw, your /* was saying, match the preceding character zero or more times, for which there were none to match, hence the warning[21:10:38] *** gonewestcoast has joined #postfix[21:11:25] <vice-versa> you just want to match the string medicall?[21:12:42] <stegbth> vice, yes i whant to check everyline there the strings exist's like http://www.medicallultra.sg or www.medicallthink.sg and so on[21:13:01] <vice-versa> /medicall/[21:13:15] <stegbth> but the string seems to work already, also with pcre[21:13:17] *** gonewestcoast has quit IRC[21:13:40] <stegbth> /medicall/ is the same as /^(.*)medicall(.*)$/ ?[21:13:57] *** gonewestcoast has joined #postfix[21:14:40] <vice-versa> not exactly in regex terms, but it will do what you want[21:15:38] *** skyweb has quit IRC[21:15:43] <vice-versa> less overhead too as it's a pretty simple expression[21:19:42] *** ruwen has quit IRC[21:20:38] *** skyweb has joined #postfix[21:24:38] <PcPixel> omg. i almost want to pastebin this but it would explode if i did[21:25:08] <sysmonk> i don't get the guys who can't share their big stuff on their own web servers[21:25:21] <sysmonk> like if they don't have them[21:26:03] <PcPixel> sysmonk: trust me. you dont work here.[21:26:04] *** adaptr_ has joined #postfix[21:26:13] *** adaptr has quit IRC[21:26:29] <vice-versa> anonymity?[21:26:47] <sysmonk> and why did i think that any decent admin has atleast one own server[21:26:52] <sysmonk> atleast on a home connection[21:27:16] <sysmonk> atleast a vds or vmware or xen or whatever[21:27:25] <sysmonk> where you test stuff, where you code, where you do anything[21:27:55] <PcPixel> oh i do[21:28:04] <sysmonk> hence, my home workstation has 5 external ip's and 1 internal[21:28:13] <vice-versa> some are just 9-5's too sysmonk[21:28:25] *** _nalle has joined #postfix[21:28:28] <sysmonk> vice-versa: what's a 9-5 ?[21:28:34] <PcPixel> *chuckle*[21:28:39] <PcPixel> right now im up to 3,448 IPs[21:29:02] <vice-versa> sysmonk: seriously?[21:29:04] <sysmonk> PcPixel: on your home workstation? :)[21:29:06] <sysmonk> vice-versa: what?[21:29:20] <sysmonk> vice-versa: if about 9-5 - then yes[21:29:30] * sysmonk hears that one for the first time[21:29:57] <sysmonk> oh, some googling tells me it's teh 9 hours 5 days stuff[21:30:13] <vice-versa> sysmonk: they work from 9:00am to 5:00pm and that's it, don't do squat at home[21:30:40] <PcPixel> sysmnk: no, i have a dedicated VM here[21:30:42] <sysmonk> ye, although it's hard to call em admins ...[21:30:44] <PcPixel> im talking about the banned IP table[21:30:58] <vice-versa> sysmonk: how so?[21:31:02] <sysmonk> sure, they are admins, but um...[21:31:12] <sysmonk> mostly they know something, and don't learn anything new[21:31:30] <sysmonk> atleast that's what i think about the ones i know ( i know only a few)[21:31:56] <vice-versa> well I don't agree with that[21:32:18] <sysmonk> vice-versa: well, it's my opinion which i generated based on the 2 "9-5"'s i know[21:33:17] <vice-versa> I know several, 15-20 years in, when they leave work they go off the grid for many reasons[21:33:35] <vice-versa> but they're very good at what they do in the day[21:33:54] <sysmonk> good then[21:34:11] <sysmonk> cause those 2 i know suck badly :P[21:34:20] <sysmonk> s/know/knew/[21:34:20] <vice-versa> hehe[21:34:47] <vice-versa> yeah I know several like that too, but you can't tar them all with the same brush[21:35:04] <sysmonk> yup[21:35:33] <sysmonk> oh, maybe i know another one, he wasn't 9-5 before so he got his skills, but now he's married and "has" to be 9-5'ed ;P[21:35:50] *** pirho has joined #postfix[21:35:56] <sysmonk> he doesn't even have network at home o_o[21:36:05] <PcPixel> grand total of: 8,057 banned IPs[21:38:32] * cpm leaves the grid when he leaves work. For all the reasons everyone *should*.[21:39:18] *** m0f0x_ has joined #postfix[21:39:30] <PcPixel> if we were run sanely then i could too[21:39:43] <PcPixel> right now im trying to make reject codes uniform so i can actually TELL where something was blocked[21:40:11] <sysmonk> cpm: i don't do work stuff from home (unless very urgent)[21:40:22] <sysmonk> but i do some private stuff or coding for myself from home[21:40:22] <PcPixel> my boss used the same generic reject code EVERYWHERE[21:40:50] <cpm> if I can break my addiction to movies, I'll loose the electricity too. Then I'll be set.[21:41:02] <sysmonk> hehe[21:42:30] * seekwill wonders what kind of movies cpm watches[21:42:53] <cpm> seekwill, pretty much whatever.[21:42:55] <PcPixel> whew, ok IP block down[21:42:59] <PcPixel> now addresses and domains to go[21:43:37] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[21:44:50] <PcPixel> he lumped bad IPs, sender addresses, and domains into a "banned" file[21:44:53] <seekwill> Hmm... #sendmail isn't very active. I guess not many people use it[21:44:56] <PcPixel> im tryring to separate them all[21:45:19] <PcPixel> they guy who wrote sendmail has been quoted as saying if he knew what sendmail was going to turn into he'dve never written it[21:46:18] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[21:47:11] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:47:42] <seekwill> What's wrong with sendmail?[21:47:55] <seekwill> What did it turn into?[21:48:05] <PcPixel> an overblown monster[21:48:29] <vice-versa> PcPixel: with that many IPs, I would seriously consider running a local rbl[21:49:03] <PcPixel> vice: thats basically what he has[21:49:19] <PcPixel> vice: its all in an access file[21:49:26] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[21:49:32] <PcPixel> vice: how would i set one up?[21:49:32] <vice-versa> basically?[21:49:40] *** pingouin_ has joined #postfix[21:50:10] <vice-versa> http://www.corpit.ru/mjt/rbldnsd.html[21:50:37] <PcPixel> .ru[21:50:38] <PcPixel> danger[21:50:42] <PcPixel> danger will robinson[21:51:03] <vice-versa> and there's djb's stuff too, but rbldnsd is better[21:51:17] <vice-versa> lol, you been looking at too much spam[21:51:18] <PcPixel> got it bookmaked[21:51:23] <PcPixel> ;)[21:51:46] <PcPixel> invalid domain file: 1,891 bad domains[21:52:23] <vice-versa> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html for djb's stuff[21:52:39] *** felix-da-catz is now known as felix-da-catz_zz[21:53:06] <PcPixel> got it[21:53:11] <vice-versa> more specifically on djb's site, http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/rbldns.html[21:54:17] *** Juspion has joined #postfix[21:54:20] <vice-versa> both work well, but rbldnsd is more flexible[21:56:45] <PcPixel> im wondering if we'll even need them with my new main.cf[21:56:55] <PcPixel> but i just want it in a form that i can manage & tell where in my config a mail gets blocked[21:57:05] <PcPixel> his error messages were like the TROUBLE light in your car[21:58:14] <PcPixel> as a result, ive duplicated work[21:58:25] <PcPixel> ive been blocking stuff in other files when hes alread had the "file" going[22:00:04] <PcPixel> great; i just discovered why a BUNCH of mail hadnt gotten through before lol[22:06:15] *** Joe_Wulf has joined #postfix[22:11:16] *** PhilKC has quit IRC[22:13:24] *** tshine has left #postfix[22:15:19] *** JoeWulf has quit IRC[22:17:08] *** m0f0x_ is now known as m0f0x[22:18:06] <PcPixel> i think im gonna convert his spammer addresses to PCRE's over time[22:18:26] <PcPixel> i think id get more bang for my buck versus either a) doing it all now or B) implement a hash check followed by a pcre check[22:26:02] *** mark-use_ has quit IRC[22:26:48] *** GoatCheezWork has joined #postfix[22:27:30] *** jellis-real has quit IRC[22:28:54] *** cilly has joined #postfix[22:35:50] * vice-versa wonders how stale PcPixel's boss' spam data is[22:36:16] *** pitakill has quit IRC[22:36:19] <PcPixel> vice: oh its stale[22:36:26] <PcPixel> veeeery stalre[22:36:27] <PcPixel> stale[22:36:33] <vice-versa> then why waste your time with it?[22:37:11] <vice-versa> I from what you just mentioned it might be doing more harm than good[22:37:31] <vice-versa> s/I/and/[22:37:47] *** daemoen__ has joined #postfix[22:38:36] <PcPixel> vice: thats one of the other reasons im retooling the main.cf and his files[22:38:41] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[22:38:54] <PcPixel> ive moved his checks after the RBL/RHBLs so i can see how much more they are catching versus us[22:39:10] <PcPixel> ive also modded his errors so i can tell exactly which type of block caught the "spam"[22:40:12] <PcPixel> the one i know thats super stale is his email address blocks[22:41:35] <PcPixel> which is why i want to convert it to PCRE versus a hash[22:41:40] <PcPixel> and repopulate based on new spam[22:41:59] <vice-versa> filtering sender addresses from spam is usually a waste of time[22:42:07] <PcPixel> vice: i agree[22:42:11] *** hever has quit IRC[22:42:14] <PcPixel> vice: i only do it if i can see a pattern[22:42:43] <PcPixel> for example, im getting hit hard by one who is doing dw[tuv].*m at [tuv] dot *.com[22:42:54] *** Juspion has quit IRC[22:43:14] <vice-versa> like /\.tr$/ REJECT[22:43:17] <PcPixel> so that makes sense[22:43:21] <PcPixel> right[22:43:50] <sysmonk> vice-versa: i don't get why there's "tr" in that regexp![22:44:02] <sysmonk> shouldn't be there[22:44:08] <PcPixel> lol[22:44:20] <vice-versa> a dnsbl cidr range block for those would be better[22:44:45] <vice-versa> sysmonk: oh yeah, sorry, I meant DISCARD[22:44:47] <sysmonk> i wonder how turkey fights spam[22:44:48] <PcPixel> ooh, forgot about cidr[22:45:17] <PcPixel> yeah i think that'll get retooled too[22:45:50] <PcPixel> if im going to do a check for invalid charachters in a sender address, should i do it as a check_sender_access or in a header_check[22:45:53] <PcPixel> pcre[22:46:09] <vice-versa> sysmonk: their servers are too busy sending out spam to receive any[22:46:12] <sysmonk> nah, just do it with a generic smtpd_recipient_restrictions check.[22:46:34] <PcPixel> you mean check_sender_acces in that[22:47:15] <PcPixel> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_sender_access pcre:/invalid_chars[22:47:38] <sysmonk> wait, what are you calling 'invalid' chars?[22:47:50] * PcPixel grabs the printout[22:48:00] <vice-versa> PcPixel: don't forget what I said about getting to aggressive[22:48:05] <PcPixel> vice: oh im not[22:48:12] <PcPixel> vice: i havent forgotten :)[22:48:30] *** LordDicranius has joined #postfix[22:49:23] <PcPixel> invalid chars: 0x00-0x1f, !"#$%(),:;[\]`|{}[22:49:28] <PcPixel> and 0x7f[22:50:57] <LordDicranius> having issues with opening of forwarded emails. person forwards multiple emails using Squirrelmail, each of these emails has an attachment. When the receiver gets them, all the forwarded emails are attached to a single email. these attached emails have this in them: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart message[22:50:57] <LordDicranius> s.[22:51:30] <LordDicranius> would this be a configuration in postfix that I can modify?[22:52:00] <PcPixel> basically charachters i know cant possibly appear in an email that ive seen come through anyways[22:52:13] *** havvg has quit IRC[22:53:56] <vice-versa> LordDicranius: i would think Squirrelmail too be more at fault here then postfix[22:54:07] <LordDicranius> ah, ok[22:54:37] <PcPixel> we can discuss it tomorrow[22:54:39] <PcPixel> its time for me to go home[22:54:55] <vice-versa> LordDicranius: can you duplicate using a non web based mua?[22:54:57] <sysmonk> PcPixel: would be better to reverse teh check - that is, reject all non a-z0-9@_- ...[22:55:00] <vice-versa> PcPixel: l8r[22:55:22] <LordDicranius> vice-versa: I've tried to duplicate using Outlook, but have been unable to[22:55:27] <PcPixel> sysmonk: true, never thought of that[22:55:48] <PcPixel> ill think about it tomorrow[22:55:49] <PcPixel> l8r![22:55:50] *** PcPixel has quit IRC[22:56:01] <vice-versa> LordDicranius: then that would all but some it up for me[22:56:34] * vice-versa would more expect outhouse to do that then anything else[22:56:35] <LordDicranius> vice-versa: I'll look into the squirrelmail configuration, thanks :)[22:56:48] <jeev> horde is hte best.. but annoying to set up[22:58:28] *** hever has joined #postfix[22:59:22] *** adaptr_ has quit IRC[22:59:36] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[23:00:15] *** adaptr has quit IRC[23:01:12] <vice-versa> sweet, my dynamic role recipient account aliases sql query works a treat[23:02:28] <vice-versa> little sketchy looking though, gonna have to look it over with a clear head in the morning[23:04:37] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[23:07:52] *** jamesdean44 has joined #postfix[23:08:38] <vice-versa> now to clean out this freaking mess of needlessly redundant virtual_alias_maps records[23:09:19] <jamesdean44> Hi, Is it postible to place 'content_filter = scan:[127.0.0.1]:10025' anywhere in main.cf[23:10:15] <jeev> madster[23:10:16] *** CHAINsaw1 has joined #postfix[23:10:20] <jeev> master.cf[23:10:27] <CHAINsaw1> hi[23:11:29] <jamesdean44> jeev who you talking too[23:11:54] <vice-versa> madster ;)[23:12:35] <CHAINsaw1> is there a way to use the /home/.forward with postfix in "virtual mode" ?[23:13:12] *** pitakill has quit IRC[23:14:08] <jeev> hehe[23:14:12] <jeev> i was talking to you jamesdean[23:14:19] <jeev> no idea CHAINsaw1.[23:14:21] <jamesdean44> thanx[23:14:38] <CHAINsaw1> :([23:14:53] <jamesdean44> jeev you ever use clamsmtp[23:14:58] <sysmonk> CHAINsaw1: didn't i answer already yesterdya or today[23:15:33] <CHAINsaw1> hi! you did, but i didnt get it to work,..[23:17:01] <sysmonk> because the answer WAS NO[23:17:33] <CHAINsaw1> tried it with maildrop, but maildrop doesnt use the home/vmail/$USER/.maildropflter ...[23:17:42] <CHAINsaw1> sry...[23:17:57] <sysmonk> man, don't you understand what "no" means?[23:18:20] <CHAINsaw1> sys...[23:19:28] *** Draecos has quit IRC[23:19:41] <vice-versa> CHAINsaw1: if you need the functionality of the local(8) transport agent and unix accounts why are you using virtual(8)?[23:19:46] <CHAINsaw1> someone told me that it is possible to use postfix with maildrop to copy and forward mails delivered to a virtual user[23:20:54] <CHAINsaw1> @vice-versa: because ive got 4000 users in the db... and i want to give them this "option"[23:23:48] *** jeffspeff has quit IRC[23:27:12] <CHAINsaw1> ..thx cya[23:27:24] *** CHAINsaw1 has left #postfix[23:32:39] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[23:39:51] <F6F> hi[23:39:53] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[23:40:02] <F6F> are you Using metric System in GB?[23:41:32] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[23:48:31] *** LordDicranius has quit IRC[23:51:32] *** Tykling has left #postfix[23:51:50] *** cilly has quit IRC[23:53:17] *** car_watt has joined #postfix[23:53:34] <car_watt> i would like to know if its possible that a domain could be blocked because the TLD doesnt have the whois server implemented[23:53:44] <car_watt> i mean, to add a domain to a "black list" i havent seen anything like that yet, and you?[23:58:31] *** tshine has joined #postfix[23:58:37] *** mshadle has joined #postfix[23:59:02] <mshadle> i am trying to relayhost to a server that accepts plaintext auth. how can i do that in postfix?[23:59:23] <mshadle> i am running this on a solaris box using pkg-get and it doesnt seem to allow SASL because cyrus is not available