August 9, 2008 
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August 9, 2008 [00:01:19] <lunaphyte> and they tried to warn me[00:01:31] <lunaphyte> of my evil ways[00:01:40] <lunaphyte> but i wouldn't hear what hey had to say.[00:01:40] <seekwill> jordanb: Have a sample?[00:01:47] <lunaphyte> i was wrongong.[00:02:25] <Hurup> http://rafb.net/p/sevxHY38.html - Please correct me, i think i'm doing it wrong[00:02:49] <Blue_Mousey> Ok, time to go to bed[00:03:02] <jordanb> seekwill; http://hafd.org/~jordanb/test[00:03:08] <Blue_Mousey> Gotta be fit for KF tomorrow[00:04:00] <seekwill> jordanb: Are you sure it is Postfix that adds it? It's not standard.[00:04:34] <seekwill> I think a valid header needs a key: value, which that isn't. Sure it wasn't added by the MUA?[00:05:01] <jordanb> seekwill; That's as delivered using this line in my aliases file: test: > /tmp/test[00:05:07] <lunaphyte> Hurup: you're doing it fine. just interpret the output. syslog is logging mail.* to /var/log/mail.log.[00:05:15] <seekwill> oh[00:05:20] <seekwill> No idea, never done that[00:05:33] <lunaphyte> so something like tail -f /var/log/mail.log | grep -i postfix will probably contain useful output.[00:05:45] <jordanb> That same line is used in the mbox format, but I just can't find a syntax for it in any standards document.[00:06:15] <seekwill> I don't recall that to be in mbox format...[00:06:22] <jordanb> It appears to be "From" <domain_name> <rfc2822_date>CRLF[00:06:29] *** idle-boy is now known as idle-boy|[00:06:56] *** madrescher has quit IRC[00:07:01] <jordanb> I mean instead of <domain_name>, <rfc2822_address>[00:07:13] <Hurup> lunaphyte: i'm not receiving anything in mail.log[00:07:20] *** idle-boy| is now known as idle-boy[00:07:52] <seekwill> jordanb: Hmm, so it is in mbox... Never noticed before.[00:08:00] <seekwill> jordanb: Check the mbox standard?[00:08:12] <jordanb> seekwill; Appearently there isn't one. :<[00:08:26] *** diegoviola is now known as Guest97834[00:08:28] <jordanb> According to wikip there's four different mbox formats all defined by convention.[00:08:36] <Hurup> The weird thing is that if I send a email to an adress, not even in the mail.log are there happning anything[00:08:47] <jordanb> There's an RFC for the text/mbox content type, I'm looking at it now.[00:09:07] <jordanb> application/mbox I mean[00:09:22] <seekwill> jordanb: Hmm... and wikipedia says mbox stores it in rfc format...[00:09:26] <seekwill> No idea, sorry[00:09:34] <shasta> jordanb, man 8 local[00:09:35] *** Guest97834 has quit IRC[00:09:36] <jordanb> seekwill; Where do you see that?[00:10:09] *** Blue_Mousey has quit IRC[00:10:23] <shasta> In the case of UNIX-style mailbox delivery, the local(8) daemon prepends a "From sender time_stamp" envelope header to each message, prepends an X-Original-To: header with the recipient address as given to Postfix, prepends an optional Delivered-To: header with the final envelope recipient address, prepends a Return-Path: header with the envelope sender address, prepends a > character to ...[00:10:29] <shasta> ... lines beginning with "From ", and appends an empty line. The mailbox is locked for exclusive access while delivery is in progress. In case of problems, an attempt is made to truncate the mailbox to its original length.[00:11:12] <jordanb> shasta; Yeah, but what standard is that line from? That man page says it conforms to 822 and 3463 for "enhanced status codes". I've read RFC 2822 pretty closely and didn't find that From line in it.[00:11:54] <shasta> mbox isn't formally standarized IIRC[00:12:26] <shasta> jordanb, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4155[00:12:57] <jordanb> Yeah I'm looking at 4155 now.[00:12:58] <shasta> (note it's a memo, not a standard)[00:14:04] <jordanb> Ahh, 4155 *does* have a syntax for that line, in the appendix.[00:14:07] <jordanb> Thanks.[00:14:24] <jordanb> Not formal syntax, but a description..[00:19:13] *** Southron has left #Postfix[00:19:44] *** seekwill has quit IRC[00:20:06] *** neoeinstein has quit IRC[00:35:28] *** linkslice has joined #postfix[00:36:45] *** McJerry has joined #postfix[00:42:52] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[00:43:02] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[00:46:08] *** lawnchair has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** Niklas- has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** _bt has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** e_ has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** shasta has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** Trengo has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** tris has quit IRC[00:46:09] *** Rockj 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IRC[02:30:56] *** magyar has joined #postfix[02:32:44] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[02:35:53] *** hparker has quit IRC[02:37:12] *** hparker has joined #postfix[02:49:18] *** McJerry has quit IRC[02:57:13] *** githogori has quit IRC[03:08:11] *** hparker has quit IRC[03:08:55] *** zack23 has joined #postfix[03:09:31] <zack23> I want to convert my current setup of Qmail to Postfix - I am having problems grasping the concept of how Postfix does Virtual Domains. I currently use vpopmail with Qmail and Maildir[03:10:59] *** hparker has joined #postfix[03:11:43] <xpoint> hparker, udev bug ups[03:13:33] <hparker> :P[03:13:50] <xpoint> Aug 9 02:41:26 home udevd[2172]: add_to_rules: unknown key 'WAIT_FOR' in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage-tape.rules:16[03:13:50] <xpoint> Aug 9 02:41:26 home udevd[2172]: add_to_rules: unknown key 'WAIT_FOR' in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage-tape.rules:16[03:13:50] <xpoint> Aug 9 02:41:28 home udevd version 124 started[03:14:33] <xpoint> qfile -o /etc/udev/rules.d/ says no orped files[03:14:50] <jeev> zack23, it was the biggest bitch in the world for me.. to do qmail to this.. but well worth it[03:15:37] <zack23> I know and I want to do it - I dont have that many users. I just don't know where to start. I have virtual domains for which unix shell accounts do not exist. Vpopmail handles it well but I want Postfix...[03:16:53] <zack23> Vpopmail stores the mail in /home/vpopmail/domains/example.com/user[03:17:03] <zack23> (if example.com is a virtual domain)[03:20:18] <zack23> Is this possible?[03:21:49] <jeev> i gotta go[03:21:51] <jeev> but[03:22:01] <jeev> i can try helping later tomorrow[03:35:22] *** hparker has quit IRC[03:37:35] *** hparker has joined #postfix[03:38:32] <zack23> okay thank you[03:38:50] <zack23> also is it imperative to use mysql when using postfix? It seems that with heavy mail servers this would be a drawback?[03:43:00] *** toytoy has joined #postfix[03:43:11] *** [Gandhi] has joined #postfix[03:59:40] *** mavrick61 has quit IRC[04:00:48] *** mavrick61 has joined #postfix[04:05:58] *** diegovio1a has quit IRC[04:10:59] *** Toerkeium has quit IRC[04:21:48] *** Juspion has joined #postfix[04:33:54] *** zack23 has quit IRC[04:35:22] *** zack23 has joined #postfix[04:35:32] <zack23> can anyone here answer simple questions about postfix? Ie. Everytime mail is received does Postfix check everything from the MySQL database? Upon each email?[04:37:47] *** McJerry has joined #postfix[04:41:13] *** Juspion has quit IRC[04:42:40] *** McJerry has quit IRC[04:53:08] *** Juspion has joined #postfix[04:54:25] *** zack23 has quit IRC[04:58:35] *** hparker has quit IRC[05:00:32] *** [Gandhi] has quit IRC[05:03:43] *** Tykling has left #postfix[05:07:10] *** xpoint has quit IRC[05:33:25] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[05:33:54] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[05:37:47] *** Juspion has quit IRC[05:44:34] *** toytoy has quit IRC[05:44:50] *** goldfisc1li has joined #postfix[06:01:28] *** goldfischli has quit IRC[06:04:07] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[06:22:15] *** mXr has quit IRC[06:23:59] *** madrescher has quit IRC[06:33:36] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix[07:03:28] *** linner has joined #postfix[07:03:41] <linner> wondering if its possible to set up sender profiles with custom smtp sender info under mutt with postfix?[07:03:50] *** lgbr has joined #postfix[07:03:56] <linner> ssmtp isn't a good alternative since it doesn't handle local delivery[07:04:06] <linner> because postfix is running as a daemon continuously, i don't know how well the idea would work: having to pass custom client smtp auth info to it, requiring reloading of the daemon config each time a new profile is invoked[07:04:07] <lgbr> How can I reject messages that come in with this warning: "no address associated with name"[07:05:37] <rob0> I think linner wants #mutt and folder-hooks and envelope-from perhaps.[07:07:42] <linner> set sendmail="/usr/bin/postfix" <smtp client auth options> is sort of what i want[07:08:46] <linner> there hopefully are command-line arguments that can be supplied to it to use specific auth credentials[07:11:11] <sysmonk> lgbr: reject_unknown_client_hostname[07:12:08] <sysmonk> lgbr: although that one is a bit stronger, the reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname is just for the no ptr record[07:24:21] <rob0> "man sendmail"[07:26:30] *** toytoy has joined #postfix[07:32:43] *** 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Does anyone here have any pointers that could helop me with this?[16:05:19] *** Juspion has quit IRC[16:12:37] *** pirho has joined #postfix[16:14:36] *** hparker has joined #postfix[16:15:12] *** toytoy has joined #postfix[16:18:21] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[16:18:27] *** hooch has quit IRC[16:23:02] *** jgreig has quit IRC[16:27:27] *** hooch has joined #postfix[16:27:54] <jordanb> rikkyc; Probably there is a host but not an MX record for it.[16:28:48] <jordanb> "type=A" suggests it wants an A record but there isn't one of those, because it's a CNAME perhaps?[16:28:59] <jordanb> rikkyc; Do a dig on the domain name and see what turns up.[16:31:11] *** [sahil] has joined #postfix[16:35:28] *** [sahil] is now known as sahilt[16:39:10] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[16:55:25] <rikkyc> jordanb: domain seems to check out fine :([16:55:54] <rikkyc> jordanb: I've just added ignore_mx_lookup_error = yes to the config, but don't know if that will do the trick[16:56:27] *** Internat has quit IRC[16:56:35] <jordanb> Does it have both A and MX record?[16:56:37] <jordanb> records[16:56:47] *** Internat has joined #postfix[16:56:49] <rikkyc> jordanb: yes[16:57:04] <jordanb> Hrmm. How about a PTR from the ip address?[16:57:42] *** jduggan_ has quit IRC[16:57:56] <rikkyc> It happens to a variety of domains, so I think it's a local configuration problem either with DNS or postfix[16:58:12] <rikkyc> jordanb: I am able to dig and get mx and full address details on the domains in question[16:58:49] <tore> how can I setup postfix just to send mail?[16:59:03] <jordanb> I don't know then.[16:59:08] <tore> only thing it should do is sending securitywarnings and a log-summary from logwatch[16:59:17] <rikkyc> jordanb: cheers for trying though :)[16:59:26] <jordanb> tore; Try using nullmailer instead of postfix.[16:59:53] <tore> jordanb: thanks :)[17:00:04] *** w0rd54 has quit IRC[17:01:02] *** w0rd54 has joined #postfix[17:01:30] <jordanb> tore; What I do on hosts that don't recieve mail though, is setup my mail server as the relay host, and then set mydestination to be something really improbable, like local-only.foo.com. That ensures that all mail gets forwarded to my mail server.[17:02:19] <jordanb> I don't use nullmailer for that because I use UUCP as the relay protocol.[17:06:02] *** Roman123 has joined #postfix[17:06:13] *** jwit has joined #postfix[17:08:11] *** ams has quit IRC[17:08:33] <tore> jordanb: sounds like a solution :)[17:12:34] <tore> jordanb: where do I allow relaying from the box in main.cf?[17:12:38] <tore> nynetworks?[17:13:39] <jordanb> tore; Yes mynetworks are allowed to use the machine *as* a relay.[17:13:46] <jordanb> This is in your mail server?[17:14:17] <jordanb> I mean, the server that all the mail is supposed to go through? None of the leaf nodes should be relaying for anyone else.[17:14:38] <tore> mm, thaths right[17:15:08] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[17:15:09] <jordanb> Ok, if all the leaf nodes are on a particular network it's sufficient to add that network to mynetworks[17:17:12] *** hparker has quit IRC[17:18:08] *** hparker has joined #postfix[17:26:29] *** _glitch- is now known as glitch-[17:27:25] *** star has joined #postfix[17:28:47] *** Roman123 has quit IRC[17:36:10] *** xorITor has joined #postfix[17:37:14] <xorITor> ok so i am in the middle of setting up postfix on 2 machines with sas shared storage... as long as i keep the "queue" seperate they can share a spool right?[17:38:22] <xorITor> so if a mail comes in host1 then procmail on that host can deliver it to their spool and my imap server on either host can then give it to them[17:39:38] <jordanb> xorITor; You probably won't have trouble if it's a maildir spool, but I think you'd have locking issues with mbox spools.[17:39:54] <xorITor> i am using maildir for that main reason[17:40:01] <xorITor> with gfs as the filesystem[17:40:05] <jordanb> Yeah, that'd probably work fine then.[17:40:09] <xorITor> sweet[17:40:27] <xorITor> anything you can think of that i should look for as a "red flag"[17:41:07] <jordanb> No. But I haven't done it. ;)[17:41:11] <xorITor> hehe[17:41:40] <xorITor> i have played with it some in xen but that was a pita due to xen[17:42:01] <xorITor> i am in the process of ripping out all of the xen stuff right now[17:42:15] <jordanb> There might be performance issues with your imap server trying to do maildir on a networked filesystem.[17:42:36] <xorITor> actually its direct attached via SAS[17:42:47] <xorITor> 3 gbit per second[17:43:19] <xorITor> for now anyways... i can expand it up to almost 12 gbit per second with multiple controllers etc...[17:43:21] <jordanb> serial attached scsi?[17:43:24] <xorITor> yea[17:43:32] <jordanb> Ahh, yeah that looks fine then.[17:43:45] <xorITor> xen was a big I/O problem for me[17:43:55] <xorITor> one of the main reasons i am getting rid of it[17:44:10] *** toytoy has quit IRC[17:44:40] <xorITor> not for postfix though... postfix worked great[17:44:48] <xorITor> mainly just for the imap server[17:45:20] <xorITor> no matter what server i used, or how much i tuned it... just could not overcome the i/o issues xen has[17:45:36] <jordanb> It seems like that's a problem with most virtualization.[17:45:47] <xorITor> yep[17:46:11] <jordanb> I have qemu and it's got slow disk access too,but I understand I could improve that by replacing the qcow image with a seperate partition.[17:46:40] <xorITor> so i am going to an lvs type load balanced solution and throwing some h/a for some services on the machines[17:46:50] <xorITor> yea i did that[17:46:52] <xorITor> ;-)[17:46:56] <xorITor> it did help some[17:46:59] <jordanb> It didn't work?[17:47:00] <jordanb> Ahh.[17:47:02] <xorITor> but not nearly enough[17:47:18] <xorITor> i tried different filesystems[17:47:27] <xorITor> different mount options[17:47:37] <xorITor> i even ran it from a ramdisk[17:47:39] <jordanb> Probably if you hve a single disk, and balanced access to seperate parts all happening at the same time, the disk is just spending all its time seeking.[17:47:48] <xorITor> i have 12 disks[17:47:56] *** Internat has quit IRC[17:47:56] <jordanb> Oh.[17:48:03] *** star has quit IRC[17:48:05] <jordanb> And they were all pulling from different ones?[17:48:12] *** Internat has joined #postfix[17:48:19] <xorITor> its the i/o subsystem in the virt technologies[17:48:37] <xorITor> the sas cabinet has it in a raid 6[17:49:22] <xorITor> i even tried diff configs of the sas cabinet raid 0, 1, 5, 6, 10 and 0+1[17:49:27] <jordanb> And now you have seperate machiens running off of it?[17:49:39] <xorITor> always have[17:49:46] <xorITor> but only 3[17:49:53] <xorITor> at least right now[17:50:12] <xorITor> each gets 3 gbit/s[17:50:48] <jordanb> So where was the virtualization?[17:51:02] <xorITor> each machine had some virtuals running[17:51:11] <xorITor> and that was another big pita[17:51:31] <jordanb> Ok.[17:51:33] <xorITor> in order to get them to mount the san you have to jump through hoops and force mounting[17:51:53] <xorITor> it was mainly done for live failover (that never worked right)[17:52:27] <xorITor> i know none of this is on topic[17:52:44] <xorITor> but i am bored sitting at work on a weekend[17:52:51] <xorITor> sorry for jabbering on[17:53:14] <jordanb> Live fallover on a virtualized system? I don'tknow how well that would work.:)[17:53:50] <xorITor> its "supposed" to work well if you have a san to back it up[17:54:02] <xorITor> san/sas same thing really[17:54:15] <xorITor> only i dont have a fabric so everything is direct attached[17:54:49] <xorITor> i am about to add a fabric though... and another cabinet[18:09:02] *** _Zerberus has joined #postfix[18:10:05] *** Zerberus has quit IRC[18:10:13] *** _Zerberus is now known as Zerberus[18:21:50] *** toytoy has joined #postfix[18:28:33] *** mark-use has quit IRC[18:43:18] *** devdas has joined #postfix[18:45:09] *** MajorPayne has joined #postfix[18:46:20] <MajorPayne> Hi. My mail server is currently configured to reject sender address if the domain name is not valid in the from address I guess. Is there any way to set it to accept just kit.dapayne.no-ip.org, or when it receves that just to check the dapayne.no-ip.org but still reject all others that doesn't work?[18:47:50] *** Lukemob has joined #postfix[18:47:53] <Lukemob> hi[18:48:02] <Lukemob> why am I getting a messages from root[18:48:37] <Lukemob> lfd on server.org: SSH login alert for user root from x.x.x.x[18:48:40] <Lukemob> etc[18:49:07] *** sophokles has quit IRC[18:49:09] <MajorPayne> I think postfix just delivers messages that was sent, it doesn't send any messages. You may have to look into what's sending.[18:49:42] <Lukemob> sending/accepting works[18:49:50] <Lukemob> but I get this automatically[18:49:57] <Lukemob> I'm sure it's set somewhere[18:49:58] <MajorPayne> Yea, because something is sending it.[18:50:13] <Lukemob> I have 1222 emails like that[18:50:17] <Lukemob> from different deamons etc[18:52:28] <devdas> MajorPayne: add a check_sender_access before the rule which rejects?[18:52:42] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit[18:52:43] <devdas> Lukemob: logwatch cronjob[18:53:10] <MajorPayne> devdas: Humm. I will look into that.[18:58:58] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[18:59:00] *** deftunix has quit IRC[18:59:37] *** deftunix has joined #postfix[19:03:07] <Lukemob> devdas, what should I see there?[19:09:47] *** tshine has joined #postfix[19:21:13] <MajorPayne> devdas: Hey. It works, thanks. I just want to make sure I didn't open a open relay. I left smtpd_recipient_restrictions unchainged. I just added check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/sender_access to smtpd_sender_restrictions. If they guess what I have in sender_access they can only spam me, not others as an open relay right? Because I left the smtpd_recipient_restrictions unchainged.[19:22:07] *** m1n3s6 has left #postfix[19:34:02] *** hparker has quit IRC[19:34:45] *** hparker has joined #postfix[19:36:41] *** deftunix has quit IRC[19:36:57] *** goldfischli has joined #postfix[19:39:32] <sahilt> MajorPayne: you should place all your restrictions under smtpd_recipient_restrictions but take care to order them correctly so as to not open yourself up as a free relay.[19:45:42] <MajorPayne> But I do not want mail from that address to be able to send out.[19:45:49] <MajorPayne> I just want to be able to receve from that sender.[19:47:11] <MajorPayne> I just want to make sure that accepting somethnig under smtpd_sender_restrictions I don't allow them to send without meeting smtpd_recipient_restrictions first.[19:47:17] <MajorPayne> I guess it doesn't.[19:47:20] <MajorPayne> So I think I'm safe.[19:51:01] *** goldfisc1li has quit IRC[19:54:21] *** dusty__ has quit IRC[19:57:57] *** F6F has quit IRC[20:11:49] <sahilt> ok, you aren't getting it.[20:12:03] <sahilt> you can place sender checks in smtpd_recipient_restrictions.[20:12:16] <devdas> MajorPayne: smtpd_recipent_restrictions always applies[20:12:48] <sahilt> there are a few exceptions to 'place it all in smtpd_recipient_restrictions' but you're not at the stage to care about them yet.[20:18:02] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[20:18:08] *** linner has joined #postfix[20:29:21] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[20:35:59] *** alienbrain has quit IRC[20:40:42] <tore> how can I filter out the postfix-entries in syslog?[20:40:57] <tore> it's flooding the syslog, so the logwatch-mail I get is so big that thunderbird hangs...[20:44:30] <sahilt> grep -v[20:44:41] <sahilt> and postfix should log to maillog.[20:46:33] *** F6F has joined #postfix[20:47:52] <tore> sahilt: it logs to mail.err mail.info, mail.err, mail.warn and /var/log/syslog[20:48:47] * sahilt shrugs[20:49:00] <sahilt> i don't know why you want all your logs spamming up your general syslog.[20:49:09] <sahilt> all my postfix and mail-related logs go to /var/log/maillog[20:49:28] <tore> that's what I want to[20:49:43] <tore> but how do I tell postfix/syslog to do that?[20:50:50] <sahilt> what OS?[20:51:30] <sahilt> make the requisite changes in your /path/to/syslog.conf[20:51:38] <sahilt> man syslog, man syslog.conf, etc.[20:52:25] <tore> ubuntu[20:53:34] <Lukemob> why am I getting a messages from root looking like that: lfd on server.org: SSH login alert for user root from x.x.x.x .. there are many others, of other deamons too[20:54:08] <sahilt> Lukemob: that's not a postfix question.[20:54:48] <Lukemob> sahil, ah ok, don't you know what's causing that mate?[20:55:16] <devdas> Lukemob: your logwatch cron is sendnig those messages[20:55:19] <devdas> fix logwatch[20:55:25] <devdas> same for tore[20:55:36] <Lukemob> devdas, aha... let me see[20:55:58] <sahilt> sigh[20:56:04] <sahilt> basic unix skills, people.[20:57:01] *** zack23 has joined #postfix[20:57:19] *** zack23 has joined #postfix[20:57:33] <zack23> can anyone here answer a simple question regarding postfix and the way it handles virtual domain users? I'm moving over from Qmail...[20:57:43] <devdas> possibly[20:58:12] <zack23> Well I use vpopmail but do not understand how Postfix's virtual users work - seems like they have to have real system accounts on the box?[20:58:35] <devdas> they don't[20:58:40] <devdas> !virtual[20:58:41] <knoba> devdas: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[20:58:49] <zack23> they use Maildir?[20:59:01] <zack23> let me see...[20:59:14] <zack23> also must I use a database - is this extra overhead everytime a mail comes in?[20:59:17] <devdas> what you need is a virtual_mailbox_maps map which lists email addresses to the Maildir path for vpopmail[20:59:30] <devdas> the database is optional, but it makes things easier[20:59:36] <devdas> not really[21:00:43] <zack23> "mail for sales at example dot com goes to the UNIX account jane" so instead of "# sales at example dot com jane" I would have "sales at example dot com /home/vpopmail/domains/example.com/jane/Maildir/" ?[21:01:11] <sahilt> uh, no.[21:01:40] <zack23> (I am migrating from vpopmail so I'll keep the directories intact...)[21:01:46] <sahilt> if you want to deliver to a unix account via local, then just do sales at example dot com jane in virtual alias maps (not domains).[21:01:54] <devdas> he doesn't[21:02:06] <devdas> !virtual_mailbox_maps[21:02:06] <knoba> devdas: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[21:02:13] <sahilt> he just said "mail for sales at example dot com goes to the UNIX account jane"[21:02:32] <zack23> no I was taking that from the documentation...[21:02:36] <sahilt> sigh.[21:02:41] <devdas> Yeah[21:02:42] <zack23> the virtual users shouldn't have a unix account[21:02:46] <sahilt> no shit.[21:03:03] <devdas> "sales at example dot com /home/vpopmail/domains/example.com/jane/Maildir/" is right[21:03:06] <sahilt> http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[21:03:06] <zack23> right but everywhere I read (until devdas showed me) always counted on a unix account existing[21:03:08] <sahilt> read that.[21:03:16] <sahilt> then you didn't read the virtual_readme.[21:03:20] <zack23> yes I did ...[21:03:26] <zack23> devdas: thank you.[21:03:33] <zack23> Does Cyrus play well with this - what about password file etc?[21:03:59] <sahilt> *yawn*[21:04:28] <sahilt> the virtual readme shows example that do NOT require a local account.[21:04:38] <sahilt> s/example/examples/[21:05:01] <zack23> sahilt: I know this - you are clearly misunderstanding me. I wrote the "sales at example dot com /home/vpopmail/domains/example.com/jane/Maildir/" to confirm with devdas whether that is the way to do it, which it is.[21:05:19] <devdas> zack23: cyrus? sasl?[21:05:19] <sahilt> omfg.[21:05:47] <devdas> zack23: which is exactly why you use a database[21:05:56] *** js_ has quit IRC[21:06:14] <zack23> devdas: For heavy loads though? Should be alright you think - I haven't read much on performance issues however.[21:06:37] <zack23> devdas: Do you know of any good docs which cover the database as well as Virtual users and IMAP configuration?[21:06:44] <sahilt> how much email do you process per day?[21:06:52] *** js_ has joined #postfix[21:07:19] <devdas> zack23: /topic[21:07:22] <zack23> sahilt: A couple of thousand[21:07:26] <devdas> define heavy :)[21:07:27] <sahilt> ok, that's small load.[21:07:39] <zack23> right that's what I'm wondering about - what heavy is for Postfix[21:07:45] <sahilt> so don't even worry about performance issues unless you're running archaic hardware.[21:07:51] <zack23> So I should be fine using postgres then[21:07:55] <sahilt> yes.[21:08:07] <zack23> okay cool - so this way the IMAP clients can play well too[21:08:12] <devdas> yes[21:08:19] <devdas> a thousand a day?[21:08:21] <devdas> a minute?[21:08:25] <zack23> a day[21:08:36] <sahilt> i asked per day, he answered thousand.[21:08:45] <zack23> sorry ive always been used to sendmail / qmail way of things with text files...I'm sure database is way easier to manage but ....[21:08:50] <devdas> Ok, my smaller boxes do about 100 times that[21:08:55] <zack23> :)[21:09:12] <devdas> the bigger ones, about four orders of magnitude more[21:09:16] <sahilt> zack23: some people prefer text files because they have scripts that handle them just fine.[21:09:24] <zack23> do you guys compile postfix from source? I'm using Debian ....[21:09:34] <sahilt> zack23: just use what works for you, but your load is trivial, so you needn't worry about performance issues.[21:09:36] * devdas builds the SRPM[21:09:47] * sahilt uses FreeBSD ports with local tweaks. But yes, from source.[21:10:00] * devdas gahs[21:10:04] <zack23> http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html :)[21:10:07] * sahilt farts[21:10:15] <devdas> I have a dead box[21:10:21] <sahilt> devdas: revive it![21:10:22] <devdas> and I don't know why it's dying[21:11:03] <zack23> wow I'm actually doing this. sick of Qmail's archaic methods....I hear great things about Postfix[21:11:33] <sahilt> it's all true.[21:13:35] <zack23> if I do it from source, where does it install things? /usr/local/postfix or something?[21:14:52] <devdas> /usr...[21:15:07] <devdas> You are on Debian, just use the Debian packages[21:15:10] <zack23> can I do it with both mysql and postgresql support (in case I want to switch to another one)?[21:15:17] <devdas> yes[21:17:22] <zack23> how ? I am doing this: make -f Makefile.init makefiles 'CCARGS=-DHAS_PGSQL -I/usr/local/pgsql/include -DHAS_MYSQL - -I/usr/include' ....[21:18:26] <zack23> okay that seems to work fine[21:19:47] <zack23> devdas: I've seen a million variations of how to set up the tables - can you point me in a good way?[21:20:08] <rob0> you also compiled pgsql from source?[21:20:26] <sahilt> omg[21:20:48] <devdas> zack23: it's a whatever you like[21:20:56] *** roe__ has joined #postfix[21:20:59] <zack23> yes and I will tell you the reason. Debian is lacking in upgrading PostgreSQL and I need UUID support which postgres just put in. Debian's a year and a half behind[21:21:04] <devdas> The query results are what is important[21:21:05] <zack23> and the backports aren't good solutions[21:21:14] <sahilt> that's a feature of debian.[21:21:18] <devdas> Debian sucks for Pg[21:21:20] <sahilt> being behind.[21:21:35] <rob0> oh indeed, Debian stable often means "full of horse poo" :)[21:22:01] <rob0> like the broken Postfix 2.1 they have (woody?)[21:23:29] <zack23> yeah debian is horrible for Pg which is a shame - debian does have good mysql support however[21:25:33] <zack23> I do make .deb packages out of the packages I create from source (in this case postgres and postfix)[21:25:55] *** roe_ has quit IRC[21:26:23] *** roe__ is now known as roe_[21:26:56] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[21:28:37] *** d0uglas has quit IRC[21:28:55] *** dusty_ has joined #postfix[21:29:55] *** _Driver_ has joined #postfix[21:34:29] *** dusty__ has joined #postfix[21:39:13] *** dusty_ has quit IRC[21:43:23] *** roe_ has quit IRC[21:44:28] *** toytoy has quit IRC[21:45:56] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[21:51:35] *** alienbrain has joined #postfix[21:54:54] *** linner has quit IRC[21:57:17] *** w0rd54 has quit IRC[22:00:36] <zack23> okay I've built Postfix and now how do I start it up?[22:01:30] <zack23> oh nevermind[22:01:33] <devdas> postfix start[22:01:58] *** Lukemob has quit IRC[22:03:07] *** linner has joined #postfix[22:03:55] <zack23> okay it's all set up - now to do the database part[22:04:11] <sahilt> wow[22:04:23] <zack23> now this is my confusion - I can have normal shell users and virtual users together using the database? Well I'll find out...[22:04:49] <sahilt> yes, you can.[22:04:54] <zack23> I got mail working for the shell users into Maildir/[22:05:02] *** roe_ has quit IRC[22:05:07] *** Joe_Wulf has joined #postfix[22:05:15] <zack23> are there any database setups you guys recommend? I know there are a ton of them out there?[22:05:38] <sahilt> what do you even mean by that question?[22:05:40] <zack23> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server/Postfix_to_Postgres seems good[22:05:55] <zack23> I mean are there are good docs out there which describe a good setup with Postgres and Postfix[22:06:16] <sahilt> i see this one thrown around in here a lot; i can't vouch for it because i don't run ubuntu, let alone linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto[22:07:02] *** w0rd54 has joined #postfix[22:07:31] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[22:07:36] <sahilt> and this one: http://postfix.wiki.xs4all.nl/index.php?title=Virtual_Users_and_Domains_with_Courier-IMAP_and_MySQL[22:07:44] <zack23> that ones looks good - though the first one doesnt use databases[22:07:50] <sahilt> yes, it uses txt files.[22:08:17] <sahilt> you'll be hard pressed to find a HOWTO that does exactly what you need; so look at a few and use a combination of the tips and tricks you pick up.[22:09:14] <zack23> sahilt: you use a database right?[22:09:19] <zack23> it is the recommended way?[22:09:44] <sahilt> i have a mysql database with virtual users, yes.[22:10:07] <sahilt> there is no recommended way; there are many ways to get shit done in postfix; there really is no silver bullet.[22:10:12] *** jonez has quit IRC[22:10:38] <sahilt> there are too many idiosyncracies in every different setup, corporation, environment, et cetera. so you need to just be happy postfix can work in a variety of ways and use what fits best.[22:11:01] *** w0rd54 has quit IRC[22:12:23] <zack23> yeah i'll give it a shot - the best thing about a database is that it can be easily changed to something else[22:12:57] <devdas> the important bit is the result of your query[22:12:59] <sahilt> again, i don't know what you mean. but if what you're saying makes database(s) suitable for you, then sure![22:14:02] *** w0rd54 has joined #postfix[22:14:40] *** JoeWulf has quit IRC[22:18:24] *** jonez has joined #postfix[22:23:23] <zack23> what's a good way to encrypt the passwords for putting into the table?[22:24:15] <devdas> Use the Postgresql crypto contrib module[22:24:35] <zack23> ahh perfect :)[22:25:35] <blackflag> Hello all :) I want to do greylisting on my debian etch and running in some problems. I followed instructions here: http://www.howtoforge.com/greylisting_postfix_postgrey and have the problem that postgrey is not starting. I have the error: http://pastebin.ca/1097207 . Im not able to install - Berkeley DB >= 4.1 (Library) . Someone can give me a hint how to do this? The other perl packages are not a problem, only the lib. Im thinking thats the reason[22:25:36] <blackflag> why postgry isnt starting. Can someone help?[22:26:03] <devdas> blackflag: why are you not using apt to install postgrey?[22:27:29] <blackflag> yes I did, but ist not starting, and on that website is told to install different perl packages.[22:27:59] <devdas> bleh, ignore the webiste[22:28:02] <devdas> site[22:28:05] <devdas> and just use apt[22:29:22] <blackflag> okay, purge postgrey and install new?[22:30:10] <devdas> yes[22:31:16] <sahilt> zack23: or use makepasswd or any other one of those tools.[22:32:36] <zack23> Okay got the database stuff going and local mail still works...let me try testing virtual users[22:35:55] <zack23> Must I make the /home/vmail/domain.com/user/Maildir/new etc directories myself?[22:38:27] <devdas> only /home/vmail[22:40:03] <zack23> "create maildir file /home/vmail/domain.com/user/Maildir/tmp/1218314316.P32041.domain: Permission denied)"[22:40:12] <zack23> That whole directory is owned by user postfix[22:40:40] <zack23> In /etc/postfix/main.cf: mail_owner = postfix[22:41:08] <blackflag> devdas: okay, I reinstalled postgrey. What should I do next?[22:41:42] <blackflag> I onlay installed postgrey nothing more but can not see greylisting working[22:41:52] <devdas> zack23: create a dedicated user[22:42:02] <zack23> for virtual only you mean?[22:42:04] <devdas> useradd vmail -s /dev/null[22:42:21] <devdas> Se virtual_uid_maps = static:id_of_vmail[22:42:26] <devdas> yes[22:42:30] <devdas> same for virtual_gid_maps[22:42:41] <devdas> blackflag: did you start postgray?[22:43:33] <blackflag> yes![22:43:33] <blackflag> ps aux |grep postgrey[22:43:34] <blackflag> root 2794 0.0 0.2 1648 524 pts/2 S+ 22:43 0:00 grep postgrey[22:43:40] *** jonez has quit IRC[22:43:44] <blackflag> nothing more[22:43:57] <zack23> devdas: this is what I have in main.cf : virtual_uid_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql/pgsql-virtual-uid.cf[22:44:55] <zack23> and virtual_gid_maps = pgsql:/etc/postfix/pgsql/pgsql-virtual-gid.cf[22:45:44] <blackflag> and having same warnings like here: http://pastebin.ca/1097207[22:48:37] <zack23> oh in the table..duh![22:49:59] <devdas> blackflag: then ask the Debian folks?[22:50:11] <zack23> It worked!!!!![22:50:14] <zack23> Thank you guys SO MUCH[22:51:07] <blackflag> yes, but not alot of answer. I ll try it again on debian[22:51:42] *** [Gandhi] has joined #postfix[22:52:20] <blackflag> I have in error log "451 4.3.5 Server configuration problem" when I edit the main.cf to activate postgrey[22:52:40] <blackflag> what does that mean? I did it how discribed[22:55:09] *** w0rd54 has quit IRC[22:56:14] <devdas> why?[22:56:21] <devdas> what's in the logs before that?[23:02:47] *** devdas has left #postfix[23:04:10] <sahilt> finally.[23:05:14] <zack23> Any clue on how to get procmail working with virtual users?[23:05:27] <zack23> now I have to write scripts to convert Qmail users to Postfix - should be easy enough[23:08:22] *** w0rd54 has joined #postfix[23:08:29] *** jduggan_ has joined #postfix[23:10:30] *** Landon has left #postfix[23:14:51] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[23:21:56] *** githogori has joined #postfix[23:26:00] *** toytoy has joined #postfix[23:27:36] *** toytoy has quit IRC[23:29:24] <sahilt> zack23: no procmail with virtual users. they're virtual.[23:30:49] <zack23> so how does filtering work? Like spamassassin?[23:42:35] *** PhilKC_ is now known as PhilKC[23:46:49] <zack23> Is this possible at all?[23:49:46] *** MajorPayne has left #postfix[23:51:00] *** hesco has left #postfix[23:51:16] *** j_s has quit IRC