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[01:57:36] <ryancr> Hello all, I was just going through the source of postfix and was wondering what part of the code does the actual sending of the mail?
[01:57:45] <ryancr> outgoing mail that is.
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[04:50:03] <monte_carlo> hi all
[04:51:39] <monte_carlo> i have postfix 2.3.3 running with mysql, virtual user and using postfixadmin program to manage the users
[04:52:05] <monte_carlo> there are 10 virtual domains hosted in my mail server
[04:54:07] <monte_carlo> one domain has weird issue,  i can still send email to unknown user in virtual mailbox table
[04:54:27] <monte_carlo> for the rest of 9 domains hve no problem like this
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[04:55:36] <monte_carlo> can someone help me to solve this problem pls ?
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[04:56:31] <seekwill> So you have a catchall for that domain?
[05:00:00] <monte_carlo> catchall ?
[05:01:28] <monte_carlo> only one domain has this problem, anyone can send email to unknown virtual mailbox users
[05:03:03] <monte_carlo> it should be bounced with error messages 'Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table'
[05:03:54] <monte_carlo> how to disable or enable  catchall for the domain?
[05:04:40] <chadmaynard> what are your virtual_alias_maps and local_recipient_maps set to?
[05:06:47] <monte_carlo> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf
[05:07:16] <monte_carlo> i dont specify the local_recipient_maps
[05:07:40] <monte_carlo> #
[05:07:40] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
[05:07:40] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
[05:07:40] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps =
[05:07:40] <monte_carlo> #
[05:07:41] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
[05:07:45] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
[05:07:47] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps =
[05:07:49] <monte_carlo> #local_recipient_maps = unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
[05:08:20] <monte_carlo> sorry for double paste-ing
[05:08:42] <pickcoder> !pastebin
[05:08:43] <knoba> pickcoder: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[05:09:33] <monte_carlo> pickcoder : thanks for the tips
[05:11:46] <monte_carlo> it happen for one domain
[05:12:09] <monte_carlo> another 9 domains doest have this issue
[05:17:17] <rob0> 9 lines of comments pasted in channel?
[05:17:58] <rob0> Did you know that lines beginning with "#" are ignored?
[05:20:06] <monte_carlo> rob0 : very sorry for that. I didn't know about that
[05:21:18] <monte_carlo> i am not familiar with this tool actually (using X-chat Aqua on Mac)
[05:32:37] <monte_carlo> anyone can help me to address this issue pls ?
[05:33:21] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[05:33:21] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
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[05:40:23] <monte_carlo> ya it should be bounced with 'User unknown in virtual $X table" if try to sending email to unknown user
[05:40:51] <monte_carlo> but the problem is its still delivered by postfix virtual
[05:41:59] <monte_carlo> is this because of the main.cf config or the postfixadmin config?
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[05:42:20] <rob0> !catchakk
[05:42:21] <knoba> rob0: Error: "catchakk" is not a valid command.
[05:42:24] <rob0> !catchall
[05:42:24] <knoba> rob0: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.
[05:42:25] <monte_carlo> i use postfixadmin software to manage virtual domains, mailboxes and aliases
[05:43:16] <monte_carlo> hmmm ok let me check it rob0
[05:44:09] <Dominian> monte_carlo: wiki.slackadelic.com   the mailserver tutorial may give you a few hints..
[05:46:44] <monte_carlo> wow using slackwae 12.0, i love it
[05:46:49] <monte_carlo> thanks Dominian
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[05:56:04] <pickcoder> bedtime
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[07:17:47] <dinar> hello
[07:18:04] <dinar> is here anybody?
[07:19:08] <dinar> i have installed postfix
[07:24:24] <robtone_> you can workaround this by using apt-get remove postfix
[07:25:51] <f3ew> heh
[07:28:05] <dinar> i tried yesterday to configure exim
[07:28:32] <dinar> do you know dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:29:23] <dinar> i want to make dpkg reconfigure and ask on process, if you know
[07:30:12] <dinar> is main.cf debian-specific file? or it is normal postfix file?
[07:31:50] <dinar> i added to "mynetworks" 89.232.85.48/32 is this correct?
[07:32:30] <dinar> i have installed but it doesn't work
[07:33:52] <dinar> mail from localhost to localhost has not come
[07:35:26] <dinar> mail from domain.my to domain.my has not come.
[07:35:42] <dinar> i just have wrote it with telnet
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[07:38:49] <dinar> http://rafb.net/p/MfNC4947.html
[07:38:54] <dinar> see the log
[07:43:33] <dinar> http://rafb.net/p/6BqYWP82.html
[07:43:40] <dinar> this is mail.info
[07:44:13] <dinar> please help
[07:45:50] <dinar> main.cf : http://rafb.net/p/y1avVU99.html
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[08:12:29] <Haris1> I don't have mysql in postconf -m output. What am I missing?
[08:12:39] <Haris1> I installed postifx via yum on centos
[08:12:45] <carlf> What would make postfix ignore my mailbox_command? postconf -n at http://pastebin.com/m284f9e50
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[08:14:01] <carlf> mailbox_command is blank but, in my config, I have: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
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[08:14:57] <Haris1> Do I need to rebuild postfix from source to add mysql as dictionary type?
[08:18:01] <ribasushi> what was the option that controls sending of "your mail has not been delivered for X hours setting, I'll keep trying" ?
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[08:21:53] <f3ew> Haris yes
[08:22:24] <f3ew> ribasushi delay_warning_time
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[08:22:44] <f3ew> carlf it's been declared twice?
[08:23:03] <Haris1> f3ew: omg, the binary from centos won't do? :P
[08:23:43] <f3ew> no
[08:23:53] <Haris1> shEEP!
[08:24:04] <Haris1> I'v nearly finished my postfix setup, and now I'll have to re-do it all
[08:24:06] <Haris1> shEEP!
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[08:25:34] <carlf> f3ew: ROFL. Sometimes I'm not so bright. Fixed it.
[08:29:21] <Haris1> I have postfix-2.3.3-2 on yum's repo for centos 5
[08:29:30] <Haris1> I hope the latest build works on it
[08:29:39] <f3ew> Haris, just rebuild the srpm
[08:29:41] <Haris1> I hate the rpm based distros' because the libs can't be easily upgraded
[08:29:48] <Haris1> aha!
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[08:38:45] <ninext> can you help me to setup postfix for my small company
[08:39:51] <ninext> i only need some tips
[08:40:02] <Haris1> I need help rebuilding the srpm
[08:40:03] <seekwill> What do you need help with?
[08:40:26] <ribasushi> f3ew++
[08:41:47] <ninext> I need to know wher in main.cf file i have to insert my smtp (smtp.mycompany.it) and were my domain name.
[08:42:29] <f3ew> !basic
[08:42:31] <knoba> f3ew: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[08:42:34] <f3ew> !standard
[08:42:35] <knoba> f3ew: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[08:45:06] <ninext> Many thanks for your help! Can you confirm me that to create a user account for postfix I have to create a local system account (I use CentOS 5.2)??
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[08:53:52] <ninext> no more tips???
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[09:40:46] <Haris1> !virtual_mailbox_base
[09:40:47] <knoba> Haris1: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
[09:41:29] <Haris1> so if virtual_mailbox_base=/mail/ that means, all email accounts will exist under /mail/ ?
[09:42:26] <f3ew> ninext yes
[09:42:31] <f3ew> Haris yes
[09:43:08] <Haris1> Ok, where do I put virtual_* keywords in the config?
[09:43:16] <Haris1> at the end of some place specific
[09:47:46] <shasta> main.cf, doesn't really matter where, until you keep the syntax right
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[09:48:24] <Haris1> some people put it under the section;
[09:48:29] <Haris1> # ADDRESS REDIRECTION (VIRTUAL DOMAIN)
[09:48:30] <Haris1> #
[09:49:08] <Haris1> Does it have any significance
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[09:50:12] <Haris1> stupid Q
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[09:55:36] <ninext> f2ew ... Thank you
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[10:23:55] <stony> morn
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[11:17:28] <Haris1> Hello people
[11:17:35] <Haris1> I'm getting alot of these messages -> Aug  1 10:40:09 mc postfix/qmgr[30629]: AF1131591E28: to=<brianbarn at yahoo dot com>, relay=none, delay=123261, delays=122392/868/0/0, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
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[11:23:49] <Haris1> Ok, when I send out mail, I see -> postfix/smtpd process and a postfix/cleanup process, nothing else is happening
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[11:44:36] <Haris1> ah, stupid Qs
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[12:12:53] <tsurko> hello
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[12:22:57] <mosez> hi
[12:23:16] <mosez> can i bind ssl certs to specific domains?
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[12:23:42] <mosez> the mailserver itself runs for example on mail.foo.tld, adding for this a cert is no problem.
[12:24:28] <mosez> but if my customers wanna use their own domain, for axample mail.bar.tld the always get a message that the cert is not for their domain
[12:25:15] <mosez> so they can use mail.foo.tld for ssl connections without a message, but not mail.bar.tld
[12:25:42] <dinar> hello please help
[12:26:44] <dinar> i installed. configured with dpkg-reconfigure. read how-to about postfix from help.ubuntu.com.
[12:26:54] <dinar> so it should work.
[12:26:58] <sysmonk> mosez: nope. unless you can give different ip's for each domain
[12:27:39] <mosez> sysmonk: so if i give every ever mail.xxx domain an own ip i can do this?
[12:27:48] <mosez> s/ever/every/
[12:28:04] <mosez> arg
[12:30:10] <mosez> i hope you understand what i mean =)
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[12:32:02] <sysmonk> mosez: ssl certs are bound do domains
[12:32:15] <sysmonk> and postfix can't know if you're connecting to mail.domain1.com or mail.domain2.com
[12:32:25] <sysmonk> you can only know that if those 2 domains resolve to 2 different ip's
[12:32:55] <sysmonk> then, in postfix, you could bind cert1 to IP1, cert2 to IP2 and etc
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[12:34:33] <mosez> sysmonk: but how did i bind these certs to the ips?
[12:35:28] <sysmonk> mosez: master.cf, just define a different smtp/smtps service for each ip, with different ssl settings
[12:36:31] <sysmonk> 1.1.1.1:smtps ........ -o smtpd_tls_cert_file=/ssl/cert1.pem 1.1.1.2:smtps ..... -o smtpd_tls_cert_file=/ssl/cert2.pem and so on
[12:36:49] <mosez> ah, ok... thx
[12:37:32] <mosez> thats it... bye...
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[13:11:12] <mosez> damn... only mails for my main domain are received... everything else gets a relay access denied :(
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[13:12:55] <mosez> http://rafb.net/p/jrAEIo74.html i'm working with virtual domaisn only.
[13:13:07] <mosez> mails for tb at mosez dot net are there, everything else not
[13:13:10] <ninext> hey
[13:16:49] <mosez> what have i donw wrong? :(
[13:16:58] <mosez> s/donw/done/
[13:25:11] <mosez> lol, if i remove $mydomain from mydestination i get no mail :(
[13:27:51] <mosez> i begin to hate mailservers :(
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[13:36:57] <mosez> i think i've got to work from the beginning again :(
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[13:54:53] <lrp> hello everyone
[13:55:01] <lrp> i havethe following question
[13:55:20] <lrp> how can i drop incoming mail to only one mail address in my postfix config ?
[13:55:39] <lrp> not to a domain , only to one or more than one email address ?
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[14:10:35] <PcPixel> I can't seem to get postfix to regenerate a verified senders database. the file location is the same as where the original was, yet it won't appear. what should i check for?
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[14:20:17] <PcPixel> im trying to write it to /var/spool/postfix/verified_senders.btree
[14:24:34] <f3ew> permissions? what do the logs say?
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[14:27:34] <PcPixel> im not finding anything in the logs
[14:27:39] <PcPixel> either that or im grepping for the wrong thing
[14:27:44] <PcPixel> i just made another change to try to fix it
[14:27:53] <PcPixel> i made a new folder: /var/spool/postfix/data
[14:28:00] <PcPixel> chown'd it so its postfix:root
[14:28:06] <PcPixel> 700
[14:28:21] <PcPixel> set data_directory and address_verify_map to that folder
[14:30:07] <PcPixel> one sec, ill try checking the log again
[14:31:58] <PcPixel> hmm. how soon after the system is started should i see an error?
[14:32:55] <rob0> data_directory should be outside spool_directory
[14:34:06] <PcPixel> i can move it
[14:34:18] <PcPixel> but seem slike no matter where i tell it to write the file i just cant get it to recreate it again
[14:34:24] <PcPixel> this wouldnt be because of selinux would it?
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[14:37:19] <PcPixel> ok. i moved it to: /var/lib/postfix where postfix is owned by postfix:root and 700
[14:38:59] <PcPixel> still no file
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[14:41:48] <PcPixel> any other log i should check other than maillog?
[14:56:23] <PcPixel> ugh, why is it people dont understand when i tell them to just ID themselves in the HELO
[15:01:05] <sysmonk> maybe cause SMTP clients/ servers aren't human
[15:01:50] <PcPixel> sysmonk: no they dont read.
[15:01:59] <PcPixel> this one guy is telling me "youre trying to get me to expose my server"
[15:02:03] <PcPixel> um; no. no i am not.
[15:02:04] <sysmonk> yeah, i know smtp servers/clients can't read
[15:02:22] <PcPixel> monk: when did you get here :)
[15:02:36] <cpm> if it's a MX host, then it -by definition- is exposed. Get over it. Sheesh.
[15:02:48] <PcPixel> cpm: no, its an outbound only server
[15:03:09] <PcPixel> cpm: im trying to get him to have it greet me with something that resolves to either an A or MX
[15:03:12] <PcPixel> nothing more.
[15:03:18] <cpm> PcPixel, okay. No worries. It's an outbound only server that he obviously doesn't want folk to accept mail from. No great loss.
[15:03:31] <PcPixel> hehee
[15:03:56] <cpm> by rfc, it has to greet with something that has an A record, which resolves to an address that has a PTR record.
[15:04:16] <PcPixel> cpm: i told him that in my last reply. hes touting "my server meets all rfcs"
[15:04:33] <PcPixel> what i find funnier
[15:04:40] <sysmonk> PcPixel: er, what do you mean 'when did you get here' :)
[15:04:49] <PcPixel> is the anti-spam service they are paying for (3rd party) doesnt even do the check
[15:04:59] <PcPixel> i can connect up with: helo i.don't.exist.at.all
[15:05:04] <PcPixel> and its happy as a clam
[15:05:26] <PcPixel> sysmonk: didnt see you join the room :P
[15:06:18] <sysmonk> oooh
[15:06:33] <sysmonk> i joined somewhere on jul 3
[15:06:51] <PcPixel> ill be right back. im going to rotate my system backups & hopefully when i get back ill have a sender DB get written :P
[15:06:54] <sysmonk> on jul 3 22:47 GMT+2, to be more specific :)
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[15:08:27] <cpm> sysmonk is old and dusty
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[15:12:00] <sysmonk> no i'm not!
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[15:31:54] <Haris1> Ok, I have a problem of both in/out
[15:32:13] <Haris1> on this server
[15:35:02] <Haris1> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, some other IP ranges
[15:35:07] <Haris1> so, relaying should work, but its not
[15:36:13] <Haris1> !virtual_mailbox_domains
[15:36:14] <knoba> Haris1: "virtual_mailbox_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that are by default delivered via the $virtual_transport mail delivery transport. This list uses the same syntax as the mydestination configuration parameter.
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[15:37:58] <mosez> ok, working step by step on http://postfix.wiki.xs4all.nl/index.php?title=Virtual_Users_and_Domains_with_Courier-IMAP_and_MySQL works fine atm
[15:38:04] 
[15:38:11] <mosez> now i will add maildrop and then i will add some more tables and so on
[15:38:32] <mosez> and at the end i have to do greylisting, spamscanning and virusscanning :(
[15:39:47] <lrp> any ideas ?
[15:43:44] <dinar> how many people became here.
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[15:44:27] <dinar> maybe somebody asked students to come here i think
[15:44:42] <Haris1> when I send mail from local network, postfix/smtpd receives it and postfix/cleanup works on it. There's no other activity for outgoing mail. Its not being delivered
[15:44:46] <Haris1> Any ideas?
[15:45:49] <dinar> i am triing to make a mail server first time
[15:46:52] <Haris1> when I send mail to this mail server, the same happens
[15:46:58] <Haris1> the content_filter is up
[15:47:27] <Haris1> I'm not sure why mail is not going in/out
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[15:51:01] <dinar> can you help me? i want to make simplest server.
[15:51:08] <dinar> without ssl.
[15:51:30] <Haris1> myorigin, mynetworks_style, relay_domains are set
[15:51:33] <dinar> without antivirus.
[15:51:34] <Haris1> but relay is not working :|
[15:51:36] <Haris1> why?
[15:51:54] <Haris1> dinar: Read docs on postfix website. They should be enough for you
[15:52:00] <Haris1> for a basic setup
[15:52:22] <PcPixel> is there a parameter in Postfix for what to use as a server name in the HELO greeting? I'm trying to illustrate a point to someone
[15:52:23] <dinar> there is special debian configuratot
[15:55:21] <Haris1> dinar: You can also bug debian people for that
[15:55:25] <Haris1> hehe
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[15:57:29] <Haris1> Anyone around guys
[15:57:58] <cpm> no
[15:58:43] * PcPixel giggles
[15:58:44] <dragonheart> no
[15:58:56] <dinar> is here anyone who use/know debian?
[15:59:31] <dinar> i have just run dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[15:59:39] <Haris1> Ok, so all keywords, I see in the docs, that should enable relay are set
[15:59:46] <Haris1> and all for virtual hosting are also set
[15:59:53] <Haris1> why is mail not going in/out ? :(
[16:00:10] <dinar> did you try make it simpler?
[16:00:25] <dinar> without that "filters"?
[16:01:25] <dinar> first i select "interner-site"
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[16:08:53] <PcPixel> have you tried turning it off and on again?
[16:09:14] <PcPixel> dang it, still no sender database. what the smeg is goin gon?
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[16:10:16] <PcPixel> ive got a folder postfix owns and can write to, ive told it the file to use and yet it wont create the file for verified senders.
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[16:15:06] <dinar> hello
[16:15:09] <lionel__> bonjour
[16:15:24] <dinar> i want to use https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/postfix.html
[16:15:31] <dinar> but without ssl
[16:15:46] <dinar> i have run dpkg reconfigure
[16:16:04] <lionel__> do you know how to add abscence message for mailbox ?
[16:17:17] <dinar>  abscence message=?
[16:17:23] <dinar> emty message?
[16:17:56] <lionel__> dinar: un message d'absence !
[16:18:17] <dinar> first i selected "internet-site"
[16:18:58] <dinar> you speak french, i think.
[16:19:15] <dinar> i do not know french.
[16:19:38] <lionel__> ok please dont critique my english
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[16:20:02] <dinar> you said "an message of emptyness"?
[16:20:09] <lionel__> dinar: i need to add  absence message
[16:20:26] <lionel__> dinar: i have on user , and this user is dead
[16:20:28] <dinar> i know how to with "telnet"
[16:20:46] <lionel__> dinar: how ?
[16:20:54] <dinar> write:
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[16:21:02] <dinar> telnet domain.dom 25
[16:21:14] <dinar> then wait
[16:21:21] <dinar> then write:
[16:21:28] <dinar> ehlo domain.dom
[16:21:42] <dinar> then write:
[16:22:03] <dinar> mail from:<theuser at domain dot dom>
[16:22:12] <dinar> then write:
[16:22:31] <dinar> rcpt to:<theuser at domain dot dom>
[16:22:35] <dinar> then:
[16:22:38] <dinar> data
[16:22:48] <dinar> then write your message
[16:23:18] <dinar> this is a test message written xx:yy from x to x
[16:23:26] <PcPixel> hmm. ill bbiab. gonna try tinkering
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[16:23:28] <dinar> then write:
[16:23:30] <dinar> .
[16:24:03] <jelly> or use swaks!
[16:24:05] <dinar> that is all
[16:24:13] <dinar> then write:
[16:24:15] <dinar> quit
[16:24:24] <lionel__> ok
[16:24:34] <lionel__> i know how write message
[16:24:36] <lionel__> but
[16:24:42] <lionel__> i need auto responder
[16:24:43] <lionel__> f
[16:24:47] <lionel__> for one user
[16:24:52] <lionel__> i dont need sent
[16:25:01] <lionel__> i just need autoresponder
[16:25:13] <dinar> i do not know
[16:26:31] <jelly> lionel__: does the user have a normal unix account with .forward capabilities?  you could stick an autoresponder thingy in there
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[16:27:37] <FluxboXtremist> hey guys
[16:27:54] <lionel__> jelly: i have 4000 user i must use mysql
[16:28:01] <lionel__> jelly: i have find vacation
[16:28:18] <lionel__> jelly: but vacation don't know my sql data base
[16:28:20] <FluxboXtremist> how can i stop recieving the mail delivered failure message from mailer damon?
[16:29:22] <dinar> the second i write in dpkg reconfigure:
[16:29:26] <jelly> lionel__: you'll have to ask whoever made that mysql setup, I'm afraid, or try override that one email address in /etc/aliases
[16:29:26] <dinar> domain.dom.
[16:29:30] <dinar> right?
[16:30:19] <dinar> it is "system post name" translated.
[16:31:11] <dinar> then: who takes mails to root and potmaster:
[16:31:17] <dinar> dinar
[16:31:28] <dinar> not
[16:31:33] <dinar> empty
[16:31:46] <dinar> because already in /etc/aliases
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[16:32:33] <jelly> dinar: dpkg-reconfigure runs distro-specific scripts and asks questions to create a simple working config.  You'll have to ask your distro people
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[16:33:13] <dinar> there is a lot of people in ubuntu channel
[16:33:18] <dinar> i think
[16:35:00] <dinar> ok i have found other ubuntu channel
[16:35:39] <Dominian> ubuntu's email setup is fried
[16:35:49] <Dominian> I got so pissed off at it I removed all the crap it installed and did everything from source
[16:35:58] <Dominian> except postfix
[16:36:05] <Dominian> because of howt he stupid freakin' init system ties it into it
[16:39:22] <dinar> the postfix channel is very good for me if there is a debian user
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[16:52:59] <lrp> hey people how can i block connections from internet who are sending spam to my server ?
[16:54:10] <Dominian> use spamassassin
[16:54:15] <Dominian> use rbl lists
[16:54:18] <Dominian> use spf
[16:54:21] <Dominian> use DKIM
[16:54:31] <seekwill> Use a hosting provider :)
[16:54:33] <lrp> well
[16:54:50] <Dominian> use a firewall
[16:54:50] <lrp> spamassassin is not working very well , rbl list i have all ready
[16:54:58] <Dominian> lrp: spamassassin works fine for me.
[16:55:01] <Dominian> so do rbls
[16:55:06] <Dominian> use greylisting
[16:55:11] <Dominian> thats another good defense
[16:55:12] <lrp> greylisting ?
[16:55:14] <seekwill> eww
[16:55:17] <Dominian> !greylist
[16:55:18] <knoba> Dominian: "greylist" : (#1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting, or (#2) Greylisting implementations for postfix: http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/postfix.shtml
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[16:55:25] <Dominian> seekwill: ew nothing
[16:55:28] <Dominian> seekwill: greylisting rocks
[16:55:38] <seekwill> yeah... /me thinks yahoo
[16:55:47] <Dominian> bah yahoo throttles
[16:55:52] <Dominian> because they are a bunch of idiots
[16:55:59] <Dominian> not even freakin' true greylisting
[16:55:59] <seekwill> Yahoo does more email than you! :P
[16:56:03] <Dominian> who cares?
[16:56:07] <lrp> i had to add to my postfix conf a rule to reject mail from 4 servers that was sending 10000 mails to one mail account in my servers
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[16:56:11] <Dominian> They go by their own standard.. pisses me off
[16:57:47] <seekwill> I used to have a problem with yahoo... but not after I got onto their whitelist :)
[16:57:57] * Dominian shrugs
[16:58:01] <Dominian> I don't care about their whitelist
[16:58:09] <Dominian> they can throttle me.. only happens every so often
[16:58:16] <lrp> im reading in the docs about greylist :)
[16:58:30] <Dominian> lrp: what RBL lists are you using?
[16:58:32] <seekwill> You might not care, but that's not the best attitude to share with other people. Yahoo is the largest ISP..
[16:58:39] <Dominian> seekwill: so?
[16:58:41] <lrp> zen
[16:58:50] <seekwill> Most people here will be sending to yahoo at some point
[16:58:53] <Dominian> lrp: any others?
[16:58:58] <lrp> zen.spamhaus.org
[16:59:14] <lrp> when i add the others my postfix start to reject all the email
[16:59:18] <lrp> example ..
[16:59:27] <lrp> permit_mynetworks, reject_invalid_helo_hostname, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org , permi
[17:00:04] <lrp> if i add other rbl my postfix start work wrong
[17:00:09] <lrp> :/
[17:00:54] <lrp> or i have to add a individual line like rbl_client=rbl1, rbl2,rbl3, etc ?
[17:01:31] <lrp> [Dominian] do you know what i mean ?
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[17:03:44] <magyar_> hi, keep getting this error "Recipient address rejected: undeliverable address: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=rbmx type=A: Host not found"
[17:04:00] <magyar_> the mail server can ping rbmx
[17:04:07] <magyar_> what could be the problem?
[17:04:09] <lrp> mm
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[17:04:25] <lrp> nslookup set querytype=mx and try with that domain again
[17:09:21] <magyar_> lrp, nslookup: couldn't get address for 'querytype=mx': not found
[17:09:30] <Dominian> each rbl has to be its own line
[17:09:45] <Dominian> so zen on its own... another on its own etc
[17:10:12] <Dominian> magyar_: dig rbmx
[17:10:15] <lrp> [Dominian] so i have to do reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org , reject_rbl_client zen1.spamhaus.org , reject_rbl_client zen2.spamhaus.org , ?
[17:10:24] <Dominian> more thanl ikely your server wants an A record and rbmx isn't an a record
[17:10:34] <Dominian> lrp: yes..
[17:10:42] <Dominian> but there is now zen1 or zen2 you know that right...?
[17:10:44] <lrp> [Dominian] let me try
[17:11:01] <lrp> mmm
[17:11:41] <magyar_> Dominian, dig fails but nslookup works
[17:11:42] <magyar_> hmm
[17:11:45] <magyar_> wtf
[17:12:02] <seekwill> What does dig return?
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[17:14:18] <magyar_> seekwill, rbmx.                          IN      A
[17:14:53] <seekwill> Are you hiding relevant data?
[17:16:59] <Haris1> guys, I need still need help checking what is causign in/out mail to not function
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[17:17:02] <lrp> [Dominian] thanks again pal!
[17:17:18] <lrp> [Dominian] i added 7 rbl :) and now its working even better
[17:17:25] <mosez> yeha, now i've got nice maildrop settings too :D
[17:17:38] <Dominian> lrp: hah
[17:17:58] <lrp> [Dominian] thanks a lot :)
[17:18:08] <pickcoder> 7 RBLs?
[17:18:08] <Dominian> np
[17:18:17] <Dominian> pickcoder: that was my thought, but .. lol
[17:18:31] <seekwill> It's better than greylisting! :P
[17:18:38] <pickcoder> zen is enough for me
[17:18:39] <Dominian> seekwill: pfft whateva!
[17:18:39] <lrp> now how can i block this [203.83.244.128 he is trying to send spam to my server
[17:18:48] <mosez> lol, i've got 3 rbls
[17:18:50] <Dominian> lrp: does he get hit by the rbl?
[17:18:52] <Haris1> I added custom rules to spamassassin for one of my customers. It stopped 95+ % of spam
[17:18:59] <lrp> [Dominian] nope
[17:19:11] <Haris1> no need of greylisting if spamassassin is configured properly
[17:19:11] <seekwill> lrp: Oh, sorry, I'll stop...
[17:19:11] <lrp> [Haris1] custom rules ?
[17:19:13] <mosez> list.dsbl.org, bl.spamcop.net and zen.spamhaus.org
[17:19:18] <Haris1> lrp: yep
[17:19:36] <pickcoder> no need to greylist at all...
[17:19:45] <Dominian> Haris1: I don't relay on SA for everything.. considering spam changes so rapidly.. takes one botnet.. with a new spam.. so kill you ;).. greylisting is just another line of defense
[17:19:55] <Dominian> rely that is.. not relay
[17:20:01] <lrp> i have reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client safe.dnsbl.sorbs.net, reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org, reject_rbl_client list.dsbl.org
[17:20:03] <Haris1> well
[17:20:06] <mosez> good to know... so i wont do greylisting but spamassasine and clamav
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[17:20:19] <Haris1> I'v been checking spam I get on my domains vs. those I get on gmail and yahoo
[17:20:24] <Dominian> mosez: You do what is best for you're setup.. what works for one person won't work for you all the time
[17:20:32] <Haris1> and I can say, I haven't seen many new forms
[17:20:35] <loker> hi everyone
[17:20:37] <magyar_> seekwill, there is no IP address
[17:20:48] <seekwill> magyar: Then how is it "working"?
[17:20:55] <Haris1> with spamassassin, I can combine the score of multiple tests into one that can be devastating to spam
[17:20:56] * pickcoder gets a newly identified source of spam daily
[17:21:01] <mosez> dominian: i think spamassasine and clamav is enough :)
[17:21:05] * Dominian shrugs
[17:21:06] <pickcoder> atleast amavis says so
[17:21:07] <loker> the error message in the log as : Aug  1 18:16:26 localhost postfix/qmgr[28953]: warning: connect to transport spamassassin: Connection refused ; should appear as I try to work with spamassasin right?
[17:21:10] <Dominian> Whatever floats your boat
[17:21:12] * Haris1 remembers, checking only subject header, which did most of the job
[17:21:24] <lrp> r[3269]: Virus and Content Scanning: Starting
[17:21:24] <lrp> Aug 1 11:20:27 mx3 postfix/smtpd[7635]: connect from unknown[190.13.16.20]
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[17:21:25] <seekwill> magyar: Are you trying to send mail to an internal host? Like, you have that host in your /etc/hosts?
[17:21:29] <Dominian> but you also increase the load on your server shoving everything into SA
[17:21:30] <pickcoder> mosez: + fail2ban for postfix
[17:21:31] * Dominian shrugs
[17:21:42] <pickcoder> don't waste additional bandwidth if they've already proven to be spammers
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[17:21:47] <Haris1> yep
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[17:21:55] <lrp> im sorry :((
[17:21:57] <lrp> that was not for here
[17:21:59] <lrp> that was from other friend
[17:22:00] <seekwill> chadmaynard is working on this firewall that incorporates the RBLs so it doesn't even hit your MTA
[17:22:03] <Dominian> Haris1: then again.. if you have a monster machine.. everything going through SA makes sense
[17:22:17] <Haris1> 1) dns blacklists 2) spamassassin, then it hits the queue
[17:22:23] <Dominian> seekwill: I saw something like that involving IP tables
[17:22:27] <pickcoder> Dominian: the least amount of crap SA has to deal with the happier your machine will be
[17:22:33] <Dominian> pickcoder: yep
[17:22:37] <seekwill> Dominian: It's not an entirely new idea...
[17:22:43] <Dominian> pickcoder: and I run on a VPS.. so.. the less the better hehe
[17:22:45] <Dominian> seekwill: I know
[17:22:49] <loker> I've commented out the spamassasin option in main.cf but, it still tries to connect to spamassasin it seems...
[17:22:49] <magyar_> seekwill, nslookup returns a proper result with an IP address
[17:22:51] <mosez> pickcoder: fail2ban for postfix?
[17:22:51] <loker> master.cf:smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd #-o content_filter=spamassassin
[17:22:52] <Dominian> seekwill: doing it in iptables would be nice
[17:22:57] <magyar_> I can ping the host
[17:23:00] <Haris1> iirc, snort does this
[17:23:02] <Dominian> loker: restart postfix
[17:23:04] <Haris1> so does apf and bfd
[17:23:06] <loker> I've did..
[17:23:11] <lrp> [dominian] how them i add to spamlist the other ip that are sending spam ?
[17:23:16] <seekwill> magyar: That doesn't answer my question
[17:23:35] <loker> in postfix logs, I can see that it spawns and then tries to send the queue and give the error with spamassasin
[17:23:35] <Haris1> comming back to my issue
[17:23:41] <Dominian> lrp: If they are still sending to you.. sounds like you need some more smtpd checks in place
[17:23:51] <seekwill> magyar: Can you send to other hosts, like gmail/yahoo?
[17:24:01] <mosez> got to drive home
[17:24:03] <mosez> cya
[17:24:05] <pickcoder> mosez: yeah.. there's a log monitor
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[17:24:07] <loker> I grep'ed spam worrd in /etc/postfix and there is all #'s before anything related to spamassasin, I'm quite confused
[17:24:13] <pickcoder> bans based on error code
[17:24:15] <lrp> [Dominian] mm wait a sec
[17:24:29] <mosez> pickcoder: i know ban2fail, but not for postfix...
[17:24:30] <Haris1> I'v seen considerable attacks from hinet.net
[17:24:40] <pickcoder> I have a filter and jail for it
[17:24:45] <Haris1> I'm thinking of configuring iptables to totally filter all traffic from hinet.net
[17:24:46] <pickcoder> it's in most of the recent releases
[17:24:46] <mosez> aehm fail2ban =)
[17:25:05] <pickcoder> cuts down on repeated spam failures
[17:25:12] <sysmonk> 2fanbail
[17:25:18] <mosez> pickcoder: got to take a look at it :)
[17:25:36] <mosez> cya
[17:25:41] <Haris1> How can I check why incomming mail for virtual mailboxes is failing?
[17:25:48] <magyar_> seekwill, I can send no problems, its when I "transport" to "rbmx" it fails with the above error
[17:25:52] <loker> what should i check? nay ideas?
[17:26:03] <lrp> [Dominian] check there http://rafb.net/p/KokpmE89.html
[17:26:40] <pickcoder> hrm... fail2ban seems to be dying on my box
[17:26:56] <lrp> brb going out to get some food :)
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[17:28:42] <pickcoder> *lightbulb*
[17:28:47] <pickcoder> I bet lograte is screwing it up
[17:28:59] <pickcoder> logrotate
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[17:30:45] <seekwill> pickcoder: How's your script going?
[17:31:05] <pickcoder> just got the PDF->PS->PDF working
[17:31:21] <seekwill> PDF->PS->PDF?
[17:31:23] <pickcoder> just got an undocumented (in manpage) option for GS
[17:31:39] <pickcoder> PDF attachments
[17:31:42] <seekwill> Your printing a PDF and then converting it back to PDF?
[17:31:48] <seekwill> Ah, like combining all the attachments?
[17:31:55] <pickcoder> conver to PS.. merge together with all the other PS parts and combine to one PDF
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[17:32:01] <pickcoder> yeah
[17:32:04] <pickcoder> and the header and stuff
[17:32:11] <seekwill> ah
[17:32:13] <pickcoder> next step is to merge the header and TXT parts into one page
[17:32:50] <seekwill> All the headers?
[17:32:56] <pickcoder> no.. just selected ones
[17:33:08] <pickcoder> need to make the header selection configurable
[17:34:34] <pickcoder> kinda like when you print the text body,, you get a header at the top with subject/from/to/date/etc
[17:34:47] <seekwill> yeah
[17:35:30] <pickcoder> there is no way to support every file format imaginable
[17:35:43] <pickcoder> I plan on putting in GIF/JPEG/TIFF/PNG support today
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[17:36:07] <pickcoder> at that point, I'll probably end up rewriting the base code to be modular
[17:36:17] <loker> does anyone knows why postfix tries connecting to transport spamassasin?
[17:36:28] <pickcoder> loker: content_filter?
[17:37:01] <loker> pickcoder: but it should be defined somewhere in /etc/postfix right?
[17:37:36] <pickcoder> main.cf
[17:37:42] <pickcoder> postconf content_filter
[17:38:21] <loker> so that's my problem, I can't see any content_filter setting there
[17:38:39] <manukanu> hello
[17:38:52] <manukanu> rikkyc: are you here?
[17:39:08] <pickcoder> loker: pastebin your main.cf and master.cf
[17:40:06] <Haris1> looks like today is my 'get no help', day, lol
[17:40:16] <Haris1> brb folks
[17:40:41] <sysmonk> Haris1: you mean "can't read no man pages" day ? ;)
[17:41:01] <loker> sorry I'm not well with irc so I've just copied them in my public html
[17:41:31] <loker> http://std.comd.bilkent.edu.tr/~loker/
[17:42:20] <seekwill> pickcoder: Will you print viruses?
[17:43:35] <pickcoder> seekwill: sure!
[17:43:46] <pickcoder> wonder what they'll look like in PDF
[17:44:07] <pickcoder> that reminds me.. I need to add a mime-type-not-supported output
[17:44:42] <pickcoder> s/mime-type/file-type
[17:45:16] <magyar_> seekwill, dig, is placing a trailing "." dot after the name
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[17:46:00] <loker> pickcoder: could you look at the files?
[17:46:50] <seekwill> magyar: Did you answer my other question? Is this host you're trying to send to out on the Internet or in your private network?
[17:47:08] <seekwill> magyar: This ping delay makes debugging hard...
[17:47:27] <lrp> im back
[17:47:35] <seekwill> Congrats!
[17:47:46] <pickcoder> loker: are the errors in question queued deferrals or new mail
[17:48:13] <loker> they are queued
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[17:49:02] <loker> when the postfix starts, it tries to send the queued messages and prints error of warning: connect to transport spamassassin: Connection refused
[17:49:22] <loker> and then mail transport unavailable
[17:49:23] <pickcoder> loker: requeue them
[17:49:28] <pickcoder> you removed the transport
[17:49:33] <loker> hmm
[17:49:35] <pickcoder> but the queue retains the paths
[17:49:58] <pickcoder> postsuper -r ALL
[17:50:00] <magyar_> seekwill, private network
[17:50:16] <seekwill> magyar: Why are you sending mail to your private network?
[17:50:43] <seekwill> Testing? Something for production?
[17:50:54] <magyar_> seekwill, i have a postfix mailgateway that "transport" the mail to a mail server
[17:50:56] * pickcoder sends mail to LAN
[17:51:10] <seekwill> Why do you say "transport"?
[17:51:11] <pickcoder> magyar_: I have a similar setup
[17:51:14] <loker> ok that one is solved, thank you very much...
[17:51:21] <pickcoder> the gateway is on the public node
[17:51:28] <loker> it seems the system is not configured probably bu i can google the rest at least
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[17:51:50] <magyar_> seekwill, /etc/postfix/transport
[17:52:09] <seekwill> ah, so it is a relayhost. Now I understand the env... :)
[17:52:53] <seekwill> Can't you just smarthost/relayhost (whatever it's called in Postfix)?
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[17:54:22] <sysmonk> seekwill: stupidhost
[17:54:23] <sysmonk> ;)
[17:54:42] <seekwill> heh
[17:54:53] <sysmonk> ok ok relayhost :)
[17:55:11] <seekwill> Ah, so you use stupidhost if you're forwarding it to qmail or something?
[17:55:34] <sysmonk> ye
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[17:55:41] <sysmonk> and smarthost when you're forwarding to postfix
[17:55:53] <magyar_> seekwill, I made it work with transport, I belive it will be the same issue with relayhost. I had to place fqdn in the file to make it work, as "dig rbmx" fails, but "dig rbmx.int.mydomain.com" works fine
[17:56:28] <seekwill> Using relayhost, you can put in the IP address, and it won't do any DNS lookups
[17:57:10] <sysmonk> seekwill: you can do that with transport to...
[17:57:33] <seekwill> oh
[17:57:42] <seekwill> Then you help him :)
[17:57:54] <sysmonk> nah, i'm off now ;)
[17:58:02] <sysmonk> helpingwithmoneyonly :)
[17:58:08] <seekwill> But I don't even use postfix
[17:58:18] <sysmonk> DOH, WE HAVE AN INTRUDER HERE
[17:58:19] <sysmonk> ;)
[17:58:34] <seekwill> I use Zimbra, does that count?
[17:58:47] <sysmonk> zimbabwe what?
[17:58:48] <sysmonk> ;)
[17:59:01] <sysmonk> afaik zimbra uses postfix somewhere below, doesn't it?
[17:59:07] <seekwill> yeah
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[17:59:46] <seekwill> Zimbra is a nice piece of software
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[18:06:37] <sysmonk> piece of ... what?
[18:06:48] <sysmonk> btw, how's zimbra changed after being bought by yahoo?
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[18:11:09] <seekwill> I don't know pre-Yahoo. I learned about Zimbra because of the Yahoo buyout :)
[18:12:48] <sysmonk> ah :)
[18:13:03] <seekwill> It makes it easy to set up so much stuff, and it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[18:13:09] * cpm kicks exchange
[18:13:20] * seekwill watches the Windows box reboot
[18:13:29] <cpm> who told microsoft it was cool to use $ in the msgid ?
[18:14:39] <seekwill> Who said it wasn't?
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[18:14:44] <Trengo> its a campaign to make interoperability with *nix harder
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[18:18:57] <seekwill> I'm not sure how it would...
[18:20:42] * confound neither
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[18:47:28] <dinar> first i select "internet-site"
[18:47:36] <Preytell> hello again, I am still looking into the bcc_map for sender and receiver. There is light documentation for this, but a ton of post saying that it does not work when used like this:  @domain.com backup at domain dot com
[18:48:19] <dinar> the second i write in dpkg reconfigure:
[18:48:26] <Preytell> I cannot find ANY documentation that says this does work. Do you have to specify each user, can you not just use the @domain?
[18:48:29] <dinar> domain.dom.
[18:48:54] <dinar> then: who takes mails to root and potmaster:
[18:48:57] <dinar> dinar
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[18:49:36] <sysmonk> Preytell: you want to backup all incoming and outgoing mails?
[18:49:45] <sysmonk> "backup" :)
[18:49:54] <dinar> then:
[18:50:13] <dinar> domain.dom., dinar-desktop, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[18:50:48] <Preytell> I need to just forward the messages to another localhost MTA running on another port.
[18:50:54] <dinar> then: force synchronouse update of mail queue?: not
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[18:51:31] <sysmonk> Preytell: i'm asking again, do you want to do that with ALL mails ( incoming + outgoing)
[18:51:36] <Preytell> yes
[18:51:40] <sysmonk> !always_bcc
[18:51:40] <knoba> sysmonk: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
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[18:51:51] <sysmonk> Preytell: ^^
[18:51:54] <dinar> then "local networks:", " Please specify the network blocks for which this host should relay mail. The default is just the local host, which  ?
[18:51:54] <dinar>  ? is needed by some mail user agents. The default includes local host for both IPv4 and IPv6. If just connecting via  ?
[18:51:54] <dinar>  ? one IP version, the unused value(s) may be removed."
[18:52:17] <sysmonk> dinar: you think somebody is listening to you? :P
[18:52:25] <dinar> " If this host is a smarthost for a block of machines, you need to specify the netblocks here, or mail will be        ?
[18:52:25] <dinar>  ? rejected rather than relayed."
[18:52:31] <sysmonk> dinar: DO NOT paste here
[18:52:33] <sysmonk> use a pastebin
[18:52:58] <dinar> " To use the postfix default (which is based on the connected subnets), leave this blank."
[18:53:02] <Preytell> that will forward to a single address, so that all mail is sent to foo at domain dot com as a bcc, but I need to just forward the message as if it were queued for external delivery, not forwarded to a single user on the other MTA.
[18:53:03] <dinar> it is small....
[18:53:05] <sysmonk> "/kick dinar"
[18:53:14] <sysmonk> dinar: 6 lines is not small
[18:53:14] <dinar> f
[18:53:34] <dinar> what will be after kick?
[18:53:48] <sysmonk> Preytell: i don't get what you want
[18:54:12] <dinar> there is this:
[18:54:15] <dinar> 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 89.232.85.48/32
[18:54:40] <dinar> why you restrict?
[18:54:54] <dinar> freenode requires?
[18:55:32] <sysmonk> do you like when somebody comes to you and shouts so loud that you don't want to listen?
[18:55:39] <sysmonk> we don't want to read your pastebins too..
[18:55:47] <sysmonk> er, pastes*
[18:55:55] <dinar> 89.232.85.48/32
[18:56:02] <sysmonk> use a pastebin and just give a link to it, if anyone will want to see he'll go and read it
[18:56:12] <dinar> is this correct?
[18:56:30] <dinar> or 89.232.85.48 is better?
[18:57:05] <dinar> what does mean 127.0.0.0/8 ? why it is not just 127.0.0.1 ?
[18:57:37] <Haris> Ok
[18:57:48] <Haris> I have mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, plus more in here
[18:57:52] <dinar> then:
[18:58:00] <Haris> and smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, check_recipient_access mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_check_sender_access.cf
[18:58:04] <Haris> why is relaying not working?
[18:58:10] <dinar> "do use procmail for local delivery?"
[18:58:16] <Haris> I mean outgoing mail
[18:58:23] <sysmonk> Haris: define 'not working'
[18:58:23] <dinar> i do not know what it is.
[18:58:26] <Preytell> I am an Exim user, so postfix is not in my comfort zone, but in Exim I would just setup an "unseen" delivery which would queue a copy of the message to another smarthost, then continue with the normal delivery. I need to do that in postfix.
[18:58:28] <Haris> no mail is goin gout
[18:58:32] <Haris> going+
[18:59:02] <dinar> Yes
[18:59:22] <Haris> The last time this happened, we found, that 127.0.0.0/8 was not in mynetworks
[18:59:32] <sysmonk> Haris: logs please
[18:59:33] <dinar> (according to "how to" on help.ubuntu.com)
[18:59:38] <dinar> then:
[18:59:43] <sysmonk> dinar: just stop
[18:59:54] <sysmonk> dinar: all theese questions should go to ubuntu
[18:59:58] <sysmonk> postfix is configured in another way
[19:00:11] <sysmonk> and if ubuntu asks you that kind of questions - go and ask them about 'what do those mean'
[19:00:16] <dinar> mailbox restriction: ? 51200000
[19:00:21] <dinar> it is bytes
[19:00:36] * sysmonk ignores dinar
[19:01:06] <Haris> Aug  1 18:23:33 mc postfix/smtpd[32706]: B03A91E0B404: client=dns.mol.com.mk[212.110.95.71]
[19:01:06] <Haris> Aug  1 18:23:42 mc postfix/cleanup[32654]: B03A91E0B404: message-id=<20080801162333.B03A91E0B404 at mc dot mol.com.mk>
[19:01:16] <Haris> this is all I see for outgoing mail
[19:01:35] <dinar> then "symbol of extension of local addresses": +
[19:02:01] <Haris> I sent mail to hariskhan@gmail from test at mol dot com.mk
[19:02:09] <sysmonk> Haris: USE a pastebin
[19:02:15] <sysmonk> and pastebin your logs
[19:02:23] <Haris> I only got the above two lines in the last 6000 lines of log
[19:02:28] <dinar> past bin has some disadvantages
[19:02:31] <Preytell> That way all messages in and out would get a copy of messages queued to the other smarthost, which would process the message however it is configured to do so. In this case it is going to stuff a bunch of information in a database and then /dev/null the delivery.
[19:02:47] <sysmonk> Haris: try sending a mail somewhere, pastebin the logs and output of mailq
[19:03:10] <Haris> lol, mailq won't give me output in 24hrs
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[19:03:18] <dinar> some past beens are even will be cleared
[19:03:24] <Haris> pasting current log
[19:03:33] <sysmonk> Preytell: i get it now, but don't know any 'right' way of doing that in postfix
[19:03:45] <Preytell> :(, me either.
[19:03:52] <Preytell> seems very hard to do.
[19:04:05] <sysmonk> Preytell: what info do you need to know about the mail ?
[19:04:18] <sysmonk> maybe you could get that in some other way
[19:04:48] <dinar> then: which protocols to use: all/ipv6/ipv4. i select ipv4.
[19:05:07] <dinar> that's all
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[19:07:34] <Haris> sysmonk: Its 600 KB log for a few seconds, lol
[19:07:45] <Haris> should I only paste the 3 lines for the mail I sent out?
[19:08:25] <Preytell> I have a customer that says his messages are just vanishing....right.... and that attachments are not making it to the server. Postfix logs say otherwise, but I am going to forward the messages through a script that will log start of delivery time, end of delivery time, full stats on the attachments, and sender info.
[19:09:19] <dinar> output after dpkg-reconfigure postfix: http://rafb.net/p/4UFiAF29.html
[19:09:50] <Haris> sysmonk: http://pastebin.ca/1089918
[19:09:56] <Preytell> he is stating that messages take up to two hours to deliver, logs show that the messages are delivered in 1m48s, I tell him that there is some ISP magic going on, but of course his ISP denies doing anything to the messages, his ISP is AT&T....Like I believe that.
[19:10:35] <sysmonk> Preytell: simple
[19:10:42] <sysmonk> Preytell: ask him to give the mail headers
[19:10:47] <sysmonk> everything will be shown there
[19:11:01] <sysmonk> and the thing you want to do won't help
[19:11:08] <sysmonk> you won't get the start / end of delivery from that
[19:11:17] <Haris> ok!
[19:11:19] <sysmonk> you won't get any more info
[19:11:20] <Haris> I got the test mail
[19:11:23] <Haris> one of them, that is
[19:11:28] <Haris> so outgoing is also working :p
[19:11:31] <Haris> re-checking
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[19:12:00] <sysmonk> Preytell: and attachments - you have the size of the mail deliver in the logs
[19:12:31] <dinar> i go away
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[19:19:16] <Haris> ok
[19:19:27] <Haris> I see a significant delay in actually delivering the message
[19:19:31] <Haris> after it reaches;
[19:19:41] <Haris> this point -> Aug  1 18:41:13 mc postfix/qmgr[2822]: 238A91E382C0: from=<hariskhan at gmail dot com>, size=2259, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[19:19:56] <Haris> qmgr takes alot of time to deliver locally or send out
[19:20:10] <sysmonk> i REALLY can't say anything with just one line of log
[19:20:55] <Haris> ok, do you want me to DCC you the 600 KB log, zipped to around 45 KB ?
[19:21:03] <Haris> bzpped
[19:21:27] <sysmonk> tail -50 /var/log/maillog && pastebin
[19:23:04] <Haris> You have no permission to post here (suspected spam). If this is not right, please send your post to the administration so the filters can be adjusted.
[19:23:10] <Haris> lol
[19:23:26] <Preytell> yeah, you see this event is "random" and he does not understand why the logs show one thing while reality shows another.
[19:23:30] <sysmonk> try posting 25 lines
[19:23:53] <sysmonk> Preytell: does he know atleast one mail that took a few hours to deliver
[19:24:06] <sysmonk> can he send you the headers of that mail?
[19:24:28] <sysmonk> you'll be able to track the problem by looking at the received headers
[19:24:34] <Preytell> Yeah, he sent the headers, that is the messages that took 1m48s from the time his server hit the MTA until the time the message was written to the mailstore.
[19:24:43] <Preytell> But again, the logs are wrong....
[19:24:46] <Preytell> in his eyes.
[19:24:47] <sysmonk> ?
[19:25:01] <sysmonk> that's NOT the logs, that's the headers he got from _his_ ISP
[19:25:12] <sysmonk> can you publish the headers somewhere ?
[19:31:04] <Preytell> no, they are in their quiet period before IPO.  This guy is a big pain in my a**.  He refuses to see that nothing is wrong, we cannot duplicate any of the errors that he reports, and by the logs he has never lost a message. He has sent in at least 30 header files and we traced all of them through the logs, and into either a rule on his inbox, or in a folder in his inbox....
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[19:32:36] <sysmonk> Preytell: you only need to see when the message hit his ISP's mail server
[19:32:47] <sysmonk> the first 'receveid from' after your server in the headers
[19:32:52] <sysmonk> everything else is his ISP's problems
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[19:39:34] <Haris> sysmonk: http://202.59.70.58/paste.txt
[19:40:46] <Haris> the lines got jibberish in pasting
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[19:45:45] <sysmonk> Haris: you must be joking, you want me to read _that_ trash ? :)
[19:46:16] <sysmonk> really, don't you have _any_ respect to people who try to help you?
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[19:49:50] <seekwill> sysmonk: You can't parse log files??? pfft...
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[19:50:25] <devaudio> does anyone have information on using a body_checks to remove the end disclaimer on an email? I tried google and am getting no love
[19:50:46] <seekwill> I think removal of the disclaimer is against the disclaimer
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[19:51:08] <seekwill> Plus, modification of the body is a no-no
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[19:51:52] <rob0> There's a whole lot you have to understand. Mostly, you need to know what MIME is. Then you'll begin to figure out why body_checks can't always do that.
[19:53:02] <seekwill> Why do you want to remove it? It contains very valuable information for the reader.
[19:53:15] <pickcoder> hrm.. GIF->PS looks kinda horrid
[19:53:32] <seekwill> heh
[19:53:37] <seekwill> People still use GIF?
[19:53:39] <devaudio> well I assume you are being sarcastic, but I want to remove it because we have our postfix server as a email gateway to SMS
[19:54:03] <devaudio> and now a 1 line email "page" becomes a 10 part SMS message because of the very large disclaimer at the end
[19:54:22] <devaudio> I don't have control over the mail server adding the disclaimer, only the email <--> SMS one
[19:54:29] <pickcoder> it was easy to add so I added it
[19:55:19] <pickcoder> mail2pdf now supports TXT/HTML/PDF/GIF/JPG/TIFF/BMP/PNG based on a few command line tools and Perl modules
[19:55:20] <seekwill> devaudio: How are you going from email to SMS?
[19:55:30] <seekwill> pickcoder: You going to release this script GPL? :)
[19:55:30] <pickcoder> we'll give it a test run here and see how it does
[19:55:32] <rob0> oh you mean YOU are adding the stupid disclaimer?
[19:55:38] <devaudio> no I am not adding it
[19:55:40] <pickcoder> seekwill: I'm not sure.. I'll have to get permission
[19:55:45] <rob0> who does?
[19:55:46] <seekwill> pickcoder: Ah
[19:56:00] <roe_> better to beg forgivenss than to ask permission?
[19:56:14] <seekwill> devaudio: What about those stupid ad's from yahoo.com?
[19:56:19] <pickcoder> roe_: heh.. if it were that simple
[19:56:37] <pickcoder> I've released code snippets to public domain
[19:56:45] <seekwill> pickcoder: You must be on the clock right now ;)
[19:56:48] <pickcoder> but they weren't week-long projects
[19:56:53] * pickcoder is
[19:56:53] <devaudio> I am not speaking clearly on the way it goes --    this machien is the MX record for   domain.com , which then we make aliases to 123456782 at txt dot att.com from  pageuser at domain dot com
[19:57:28] <devaudio> our official email is someotherdomain.com, which we use to send emails to pageuser at domain dot com
[19:58:00] <seekwill> Luckily, Verizon's TXT's just cuts it off after 160chars...
[19:58:13] <seekwill> You must have an iphone...
[19:58:23] <rob0> Southwest Media Group Inc. of Henderson, NV, USA
[19:58:34] <devaudio> me? naw no one here has an iphone
[19:58:42] <sysmonk> devaudio: and you're passing teh whole mail to your sms gateway ?
[19:58:45] <devaudio> but att includes the whole thing as an 8-10 part SMS messages
[19:59:03] <devaudio> well I misspoke, there is no SMS gateway, it just emails to txt.att.com which is the actual SMS gateway
[19:59:04] <sysmonk> devaudio: i strip it to first ~130 chars, that's all
[19:59:13] <devaudio> first ~160
[19:59:16] <devaudio> that would work as well
[19:59:32] <sysmonk> devaudio: then pipe it to a command which gets only the first 160 chars
[19:59:36] <sysmonk> and sends it to txt.att.com
[20:00:01] <sysmonk> a simple perl script would do that
[20:00:07] <devaudio> but then, the problem with that is if they want the real message to be 185 chars, I would want 185 chars
[20:00:15] <devaudio> just not all the cruft after that
[20:00:23] <seekwill> How do you know what the real part of the message is?
[20:00:28] <seekwill> What if the message was in html?
[20:00:33] <sysmonk> devaudio: so make it 185 chars
[20:00:35] <devaudio> well the disclaimer is always at the end, not in html
[20:00:46] <seekwill> Are you sure?
[20:00:48] <devaudio> yep
[20:01:00] <seekwill> Is it a static disclaimer?
[20:01:03] <devaudio> yep
[20:01:06] <devaudio> it is static
[20:01:06] <seekwill> Like, only from one company?
[20:01:13] <seekwill> Then just have the perl script filter that part out
[20:01:47] <devaudio> $body =~ s/This(.*?)printout\.//sgm;
[20:01:49] <devaudio> that filters it
[20:01:53] <devaudio> what I guess I am asking is
[20:02:02] <devaudio> how do I tell postfix
[20:02:09] <devaudio> to run that perl script on messages then
[20:02:47] <sysmonk> pipe it, and then inject it back to the queue
[20:02:49] <sysmonk> !pipe
[20:02:50] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "pipe" is not a valid command.
[20:02:54] * sysmonk fails
[20:03:02] <pickcoder> devaudio: is it being delivered to a local mailbox?
[20:03:13] <devaudio> no it's just in /etc/mail/aliases
[20:03:39] <pickcoder> so it's an alias.. or it's a mail pipe
[20:03:56] <devaudio> pagedan:                3158675309 at txt dot att.net
[20:04:05] <sysmonk> hah, we know the addie now
[20:04:05] <pickcoder> alias
[20:04:06] <devaudio> that's the line in /etc/mail/aliases
[20:04:10] <sysmonk> let's make a spam party!
[20:04:11] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:04:13] <devaudio> no I changed the addy
[20:04:17] <sysmonk> doh :(
[20:04:17] <devaudio> you might recognize it
[20:04:23] <devaudio> depending on how old you are
[20:04:35] <seekwill> sysmonk: Bah, don't abuse it... we have such a hard time now with people disclosing that "kind" of info already... :/
[20:04:35] <sysmonk> i wouldn't
[20:04:42] <sysmonk> and it doesn't depend on my age
[20:04:57] <sysmonk> unless you're sure that i would by living in other part of the world
[20:05:23] <devaudio> so you know jenny?  8 6 7 five three oooooh nineiene
[20:05:24] <sysmonk> seekwill: nah, i'm just joking
[20:05:34] <seekwill> sysmonk: :)
[20:05:49] <sysmonk> devaudio: do you want me to sing you some lithuanian songs?
[20:05:52] <sysmonk> maybe you'll recognize some!
[20:07:54] <sysmonk> ghm, cleaning my ~/public_html/
[20:08:09] <sysmonk> found teh xml-irc.xml we were making fun of ;P
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[20:43:01] <Dantix> hi! I've just adjust the time zone, but postfix still logging in mail.log with the old time, what's wrong?
[20:43:47] <lennard> did you change the /etc/localtime in the chroot?
[20:46:40] <rob0> /etc/localtime might not be standard across all POSIX OS's, but the idea is probably right. Might also have to restart syslogd.
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[20:53:41] <cpm> restart syslog, yeah
[20:53:42] <Dantix> right, I'll check both things
[20:55:33] <Dantix> yes, restarted syslog and worked... thanks!
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[21:08:52] <sysmonk> it's teh syslog who's responsible for timestamps, not postfix
[21:11:41] <mjoseph> sysmonk: well, for logging
[21:11:56] <mjoseph> but postfix uses dates and TZ in other places
[21:12:00] <mjoseph> like headers
[21:12:15] <mjoseph> probably restarting postfix is a reasonable thing to do as well
[21:13:47] <adaptr> if you changed the chrooted localtime ? I would say yes
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[21:47:42] <pickcoder> seekwill: how were you planning on storing your mail in a DB?
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[21:50:22] <adaptr> dbmail
[21:50:26] <adaptr> works great
[21:51:13] <pickcoder> I need to restrict an alias from being accessiable to external hosts
[21:52:01] <pickcoder> technically I could comment it out when I rebuild NIS but I'll eventually forget it's there
[21:56:06] <seekwill> pickcoder: Hmm.. what do you mean?
[21:56:12] <seekwill> ah
[21:56:56] <seekwill> I was going to have one table storing the meta data (to, from, subject, and maybe some other data), and then a headers table, and then a mimparts table
[21:57:03] <seekwill> Not sure how I was going to store the binary files...
[21:57:33] <seekwill> Because I'm going to store a lot of data, probably keep them in the database
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[21:58:27] <pickcoder> seekwill: the first script I wrote (mail2file) can be used for that with a little tweaking
[21:58:48] <seekwill> Yep, thanks!
[21:58:53] <pickcoder> mail2pdf won't give you individual files
[21:59:20] <seekwill> I really need to learn perl haha
[21:59:27] <pickcoder> it's not that tough
[21:59:27] <seekwill> Or just pay you to write it haha
[21:59:34] <seekwill> Yeah, but I just don't have the time
[21:59:35] <adaptr> seekwill: erm.. dbmail, and stop thinking about it ?
[21:59:45] <pickcoder> I could put one together over a weekend
[21:59:59] <pickcoder> why when we can use postfix
[22:00:02] <pickcoder> :)
[22:00:08] <seekwill> heh
[22:00:12] * seekwill looks into dbmail
[22:00:14] <adaptr> of course we use postfix
[22:00:26] <adaptr> I have set up dbmail as backend, it's pretty fucking great
[22:00:31] <pickcoder> I'm routing mail to an order queue using aliases, so it really doesn't matter what the MTA is
[22:00:35] <adaptr> it's just an MDA, okay
[22:01:06] <seekwill> I wonder how well they implement it...
[22:01:26] <sysmonk> mjoseph: oink, yup
[22:03:25] <seekwill> adaptr: What is it written in?
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[22:03:43] <adaptr> seekwill: C, I think
[22:03:47] <adaptr> it's fast
[22:03:49] <sysmonk> dbmail blah
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[22:03:58] * sysmonk has dbmail with 50k+ mailboxes
[22:04:07] <adaptr> and ?
[22:04:08] <seekwill> sysmonk: So you like it?
[22:04:09] <sysmonk> was 100k+ mailboxes half a year ago :P
[22:04:18] <sysmonk> seekwill: did i say 'i like it'? :)
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[22:04:35] <seekwill> You didn't seem to give an exact opinion
[22:04:35] <adaptr> sysmonk: what is wrong with it ?
[22:05:05] <adaptr> if any of those 50K mboxen are used at all regularly, you'd better have that DB on 14-disk SAN storage...
[22:05:12] <sysmonk> adaptr: sometimes there's problems with forwards/aliasses
[22:05:14] <adaptr> if not, you will obviously complain that it's slow
[22:05:27] <sysmonk> adaptr: that's why i said 100k+ half a year ago
[22:05:39] <sysmonk> from 100+k ~50k are actually used
[22:05:50] <sysmonk> we've destroyed the other ~50k
[22:06:11] <adaptr> so it IS on SAN storage ?
[22:06:22] <sysmonk> adaptr: nope, it's not
[22:06:25] <seekwill> adaptr: Does dbmail store each attachment as a file? Does it break out the html and text mime types?
[22:06:34] <sysmonk> it's even ... more awful ...
[22:06:39] <seekwill> That's what I need.
[22:06:45] <sysmonk> i can't tell much here publicly, cause this channel is logged
[22:06:47] <adaptr> seekwill: lemme check
[22:06:54] <sysmonk> and it's clients server that we 'manage'
[22:07:08] <seekwill> /j #sysmonk ;)
[22:07:31] <sysmonk> none there :P
[22:07:47] <sysmonk> no one*
[22:07:52] <sysmonk> nobody, nothing, NIL :)
[22:08:04] <seekwill> You two can talk there
[22:08:08] <seekwill> About "Secrets"
[22:08:13] <sysmonk> weee
[22:08:21] <sysmonk> i thought there's PM's for "you two"
[22:08:28] <sysmonk> and channels for "you two+"
[22:08:28] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:08:31] <seekwill> yeah that too
[22:08:33] <adaptr> damn, thought I had it still installed for my virtual domain.. sorry, I threw it away :)
[22:08:46] <seekwill> sysmonk: Do you know how it stores mime types?
[22:08:50] <sysmonk> there's also an alternative to dbmail
[22:08:56] <sysmonk> how's it's called... something with a...
[22:09:00] <adaptr> sysmonk: since it's not encrypted, none of it is considered secure...
[22:09:02] <sysmonk> archivex or something
[22:09:05] <adaptr> yep
[22:09:21] <adaptr> that's what somebody here once advised me, but that's not JUST an MDA, it's much bigger
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[22:09:32] <adaptr> and supposedly cleverer
[22:09:38] <sysmonk> oink
[22:09:42] <sysmonk> never tried it
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[22:10:11] <sysmonk> seekwill: uf, i'm using it with rdbms, so no "files" there :)
[22:10:45] <seekwill> sysmonk: So the files are stored on the fs. Referenced by messge id I assume?
[22:11:08] <sysmonk> sysmonk: no _files_. everything is in database, EVERYTHING
[22:11:08] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:11:17] <seekwill> oh
[22:11:25] <seekwill> I mean, attachments...
[22:11:32] <seekwill> It'll have a record for each attachment?
[22:11:43] <adaptr> which part of *everything* was troubling you ? :D
[22:11:47] <sysmonk> ;)))
[22:12:02] <seekwill> ...
[22:12:30] <seekwill> If an email has multiple attachments, it'll store each attachment seperately?
[22:12:42] <seekwill> Sorry, I'm a n00b!
[22:13:00] <sysmonk> seekwill: first of all, did you get the part that there's no files on the filesystem? there are only database tables
[22:13:01] <adaptr> that's the nature of SQL, yes
[22:13:11] <adaptr> sysmonk: I think he got it now
[22:13:12] <seekwill> sysmonk: Yep
[22:13:16] <sysmonk> k, good
[22:13:26] <jelly> and where is the database stored, huh??
[22:13:28] <sysmonk> i can give you table descriptions if ya want
[22:13:35] <seekwill> sysmonk: That would be awesome
[22:13:36] <sysmonk> but you'll be able to find them at dbmail website anyway
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[22:13:54] <seekwill> Ah, I think I found it... wiki
[22:14:12] <adaptr> jelly: MEMORY engine
[22:14:12] <sysmonk> k, good, i'd be lazy to describe em all :P
[22:14:16] <sysmonk> adaptr: hah :)
[22:14:22] <jelly> adaptr: durn!
[22:14:41] <adaptr> I'll change it to TMPFS if that makes you more happier
[22:14:48] <sysmonk> hehe
[22:14:52] <sysmonk> yeah, tmpfs is better
[22:14:59] <sysmonk> atleast you could store fulltext there :P
[22:15:09] <adaptr> no FTI on a memory table ?
[22:15:12] <adaptr> bummerz
[22:15:13] <jelly> does it do deduping?
[22:15:27] <adaptr> dewhut ?
[22:15:31] <sysmonk> MEMORY has some limitations as to size and some fields afair
[22:15:53] <jelly> adaptr: storing identical messages (or attachments) only once
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[22:16:01] <sysmonk> adaptr: deduping = dupa = ass
[22:16:01] <sysmonk> ;))
[22:16:20] <jelly> "dupe" over here
[22:16:27] <sysmonk> jelly: heh
[22:16:32] <sysmonk> jelly: afair yes
[22:16:41] <sysmonk> jelly: it stores messages in 'messageblocks'
[22:16:49] <sysmonk> and then it references messages to the messageblocks
[22:16:56] <jelly> *mumble*wannabe exchange killer*grumble*
[22:17:11] <adaptr> pfft.. *netcat* is an exchange killer
[22:17:17] <adaptr> easily
[22:17:18] <sysmonk> netcat is a virus!
[22:17:23] <jelly> /me is an exchange killer
[22:17:24] <sysmonk> semantec knows it
[22:17:36] <ChrisC35> Hi. I'm now getting many mails in my queue with this subject: delivery temporarily suspended: host f.mx.mail.yahoo.com[68.142.202.247] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 64.15.152.219 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html. Is it people hitting report as spam? or could it be something else? All the emails are opted in (ie they manually signed up)
[22:17:53] <seekwill> Dominian: :P
[22:17:59] * sysmonk tries to remember how cyrus calls the 'deduping'
[22:18:01] <pickcoder> ChrisC35: wait a few hours
[22:18:09] <pickcoder> welcome to Yahell
[22:18:10] <ChrisC35> or could it be that I havent processed bounces yet and removed invalid emails, and yahoo servers are not liking the invalid emails
[22:18:11] <adaptr> ChrisC35: complain to yoohoo
[22:18:11] <jelly> ChrisC35: it's either that or yahoo is lying to you?
[22:18:24] <seekwill> ChrisC35: postmaster at yahoo dot com
[22:18:28] <adaptr> ChrisC35: there have been MANY reports of yoohoo blocking accounts and IPs for no reason
[22:18:35] <seekwill> No reason?
[22:18:39] <adaptr> less for google, but also
[22:18:42] <seekwill> There's a good reason!
[22:18:43] <adaptr> yes, NO reason
[22:18:46] <pickcoder> they'll just say "wait 30mins to an hour" if it's still being rejected, contact us again
[22:19:15] <ChrisC35> ok thanks i'll wait to see if they get resent
[22:19:19] <adaptr> come ON seekwill , it's *Disney* we're dealing with here
[22:19:25] <adaptr> evil incarnate
[22:19:29] <pickcoder> ChrisC35: it's not permanent.. a slight increase on traffic from one IP will trigger it
[22:19:53] <pickcoder> increase == lots of mail going in short time frame
[22:19:56] <seekwill> Disney?
[22:20:07] <ChrisC35> am I sending the emails too quickly then?
[22:20:18] <sysmonk> ah, here it is
[22:20:18] <pickcoder> ChrisC35: you can't send them slow enough...
[22:20:26] <sysmonk> it's called singleinstancestore in cyrus
[22:20:28] <pickcoder> it's going to happen if it's bulk mail of any level
[22:20:33] <pickcoder> or high traffic
[22:20:33] <seekwill> adaptr: dbmail seems more complicated than I'd want... :P
[22:20:34] <sysmonk> single instance store that is
[22:20:48] <seekwill> pickcoder: Legit bulk mailers know the backdoor
[22:20:58] <pickcoder> well they wouldn't tell me
[22:21:08] <seekwill> It's a secret!
[22:21:09] <pickcoder> I send a newsletter twice a month for opt-ins
[22:21:15] <adaptr> seekwill: I set it up in an hour or so
[22:21:33] <seekwill> adaptr: Yeah, but it might take me a lot longer to integrate that
[22:21:53] <seekwill> Take me another hour to understand the schema
[22:22:26] <ChrisC35> should I be staggering the sends per domain?
[22:22:32] <seekwill> Of course, installing it, might be easier to look in PHPMYADMIN instead of erd
[22:22:53] <ChrisC35> i guess i'm just sending too fast. My new server is super fast
[22:22:55] <seekwill> ChrisC35: You'll be fine. Just leave it for a while, and send a friendly note to postmaster at yahoo dot com
[22:23:13] <seekwill> ChrisC35: You are sending faster than your reputation will allow. Are you following good practices?
[22:23:13] <pickcoder> ChrisC35: there's not much you can do unless your mailer will trottle by message
[22:23:20] <sysmonk> don't forget to mention in the note that yahoo stocks suck
[22:23:21] <sysmonk> ;))
[22:23:37] <ChrisC35> well I thought I was following good practices
[22:23:38] <adaptr> seekwill: you are going to need to alter the schema ?
[22:23:46] <seekwill> adaptr: Not sure
[22:23:47] <pickcoder> seekwill: we've been following "good practices" for years and it doesn't matter
[22:23:47] <ChrisC35> but I may be unaware of some technical issues
[22:23:57] <pickcoder> I've contacted them several times
[22:23:57] <seekwill> pickcoder: Apparently not :) I'm on their good list
[22:24:11] <seekwill> pickcoder: Hire a delivery consultant
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[22:24:19] <ChrisC35> my mailer sends 4000 mails at a time then pauses a few minutes
[22:24:24] <sysmonk> seekwill: what and how much you'll be storing?
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[22:24:39] <seekwill> sysmonk: gigs
[22:24:51] <seekwill> Because I'm storing photos
[22:24:52] <pickcoder> seekwill: it's the users who opt-in and then click " this is spam"
[22:24:52] <sysmonk> seekwill: suuure, but how much of them ;)
[22:24:53] <ChrisC35> good practices in relation to what?
[22:25:06] <adaptr> luser LARTing
[22:25:07] <seekwill> pickcoder: Oh yeah, that sucks
[22:25:16] <adaptr> there's such a thing as netiquette, you know
[22:25:18] <pickcoder> we have no control over idiotic users
[22:25:37] <ChrisC35> the thing I can think of is that this customers insists on sending an email that is a big image. If a user doesn't notice the subject (the store theyu signed up to) and sees teh email with the image blocked, they might think its spam
[22:25:50] <pickcoder> s/might/will
[22:26:07] <sysmonk> seekwill: how much gigs?
[22:26:10] <ChrisC35> or maybe its the fact that I havent coded in bounce cleanup yet - and so there are a bunch of invalid emails
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[22:26:29] <sysmonk> bouncy bouncy bouncy ;P
[22:26:37] <pickcoder> that's my next project
[22:26:37] <sysmonk> our exchange guys are mad at me
[22:26:38] <seekwill> pickcoder: Well, I think it also depends on what you do, like if you send mail to them again. You should sign up for their feedback loop
[22:26:41] <pickcoder> automated bounce cleanup
[22:26:45] <Grufft3ch> Whats decent Mailling list software that works with Postfix?
[22:26:53] <pickcoder> seekwill: they didn't offer one or even tell me there was one
[22:26:53] <seekwill> sysmonk: No idea yet... Still working out the idea
[22:26:56] <pickcoder> I'm on AOL's FBL
[22:27:00] <seekwill> pickcoder: Now you know :)
[22:27:06] <sysmonk> cause our helpdesk try to mail ~20 thousands notification emails to our clients with bad addresses
[22:27:11] <sysmonk> and exchange relays everything to postfix
[22:27:41] <adaptr> "help"desk indeed
[22:27:44] <Dominian> seekwill: bah.. if its greylisting.. why does it ONLy happen every so often? :P
[22:28:03] <seekwill> pickcoder: www.wordtothewise.com :)
[22:28:05] <ChrisC35> Grufft3ch i coded my own its not that hard
[22:28:06] <sysmonk> and postfix check for reject_unknown_recipient_domain
[22:28:07] <seekwill> Dominian: Just messing with you :)
[22:28:09] <Dominian> hehe
[22:28:15] <sysmonk> and gives a temp fail to exchange on failure
[22:28:19] <seekwill> Dominian: WHenever I see greylist, I'm going to ping you
[22:28:39] <sysmonk> and exchange sucks, and it slows down the quuee awfully, and emails are slooooowllly delivered :)
[22:29:05] <sysmonk> seekwill: but are we talking bout 1-20 gigs or 100+ gigs?
[22:29:12] <seekwill> sysmonk: 20?
[22:29:18] <sysmonk> ah, then no problem :)
[22:29:19] <seekwill> I might purge the old stuff..
[22:29:31] <seekwill> Since they are images, resize them if need be
[22:29:37] <seekwill> ah
[22:30:30] <pickcoder> seekwill: I'll bring that up with management next week
[22:30:42] <seekwill> :)
[22:30:55] <sysmonk> bring what ? :)
[22:31:02] <pickcoder> wordtothewise
[22:31:10] <sysmonk> what's that?
[22:31:12] <seekwill> Delivery consultant
[22:31:44] <sysmonk> oh
[22:32:10] <adaptr> you... advise people on how to deliver mail ?
[22:32:25] <sysmonk> seekwill: your company?
[22:32:29] <jelly> "use buckets"
[22:32:40] <adaptr> "nor glom of nit"
[22:33:37] <seekwill> sysmonk: nope
[22:33:59] <seekwill> I won't plug my company here
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[22:34:09] <sysmonk> please do :P
[22:34:15] <seekwill> No :P
[22:34:26] <sysmonk> do that now, or we'll spam ya
[22:34:33] <seekwill> Go ahead :)
[22:34:39] <jelly> or send mail to your abuse!
[22:34:47] <seekwill> My email address is billg at microsoft dot com
[22:34:57] <seekwill> jelly: Dude, that's just mean.
[22:34:57] <sysmonk> seekwill: doh, that one is my
[22:35:05] <sysmonk> yours is ballmer at microsoft dot com
[22:35:09] <seekwill> oh
[22:35:13] <seekwill> Sorry, I forgot
[22:35:20] <seekwill> jelly: Same goes with postmaster@
[22:35:36] * jelly doesn't even read his postmaster@ really
[22:35:44] <seekwill> heh, so you know when you fill out those stupid webforms where they require a legit email... I put in abuse at <theirdomain> dot .. :)
[22:35:53] <sysmonk> unsucessfully, but i do read mine ;/
[22:35:58] <sysmonk> not all the mails, but ... still...
[22:36:13] <jelly> if "checking the inbox every month" is reading...
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[22:36:46] <sysmonk> jelly: sadly enough postmaster@ alias -> myemail@ ...
[22:37:02] <sysmonk> and i check my email more often than once every month :P
[22:37:07] <seekwill> I have abuse@ and postmaster@ aliased to sa@, where all my other sysadmin mails go to
[22:37:14] * pickcoder never gets mail from postmaster
[22:37:43] <pickcoder> or abuse
[22:38:15] <seekwill> pickcoder: How much mail do you push out per newsletter?
[22:38:33] <Dominian> seekwill: hahah :P
[22:39:14] <seekwill> :P
[22:39:19] <sysmonk> i'm getting too much mails to my 'sysadmin' alias
[22:39:47] <sysmonk> i'm thinking of changing those to blah+daily, blah+monthly blah+crontab and etc
[22:39:57] <sysmonk> just to have more cleaner mailbox
[22:40:03] <seekwill> nice
[22:42:17] <jelly> I wonder whether our abuse people would like to have something like a www.wordtothewise.com product
[22:42:56] <seekwill> I think it's usually marketing who pushes for those kinds of services.. "we need our emails delivered to the inbox!"
[22:43:18] <jelly> fo sho
[22:43:25] <Trengo> yeah? they ask me to check who *read* the goddamn newsletter
[22:44:26] <sysmonk> Trengo: so, take the phonebook and call them all and ask them
[22:44:42] <seekwill> heh
[22:44:43] <sysmonk> in the end, send your managment teh phonebill :P
[22:44:47] <Trengo> sysmonk sure, when i get paid to do it
[22:44:54] <jelly> step 1: install trojans in customers machines
[22:44:54] <sysmonk> maybe they won't want you to do that anymore...
[22:44:55] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:44:57] <seekwill> Trengo: Hmm... I think Goodmail might be able to provide you with that info
[22:45:17] <seekwill> Though that's a bit... stalkerish, no?
[22:45:38] <Trengo> its cheaper to find someone to deliver the newsletter by hand and force the recipient to read it
[22:45:42] <jelly> step 2: do an extensive study of keyboard/mouse timings for actually read messages
[22:46:02] <seekwill> Or, give out a newsletter people want to read! haha j/k
[22:46:12] <Trengo> Marta (marketing) is worried she got no questions after last newsletter was out
[22:46:21] <Trengo> they dont
[22:46:21] <sysmonk> jelly: step 3: pass all teh security of all the major MUA's to allow that javascript
[22:46:23] <jelly> Trengo: oh noes!
[22:46:35] <seekwill> Her newsletter is too well written, didn't need any questions!
[22:46:38] <sysmonk> Trengo: i can ask her the question :P
[22:46:43] <Trengo> i hate it, i get 4 copies at least
[22:46:52] <sysmonk> hah
[22:47:00] <jelly> sysmonk: javascript?  the study will also use the trojans from step 1!
[22:47:08] <sysmonk> Trengo: ask for a paper version, atleast you won't need to buy toilet paper :P
[22:47:38] <Trengo> never
[22:47:46] <Trengo> they use waxed paper
[22:48:02] <sysmonk> eeewww
[22:48:14] <Trengo> lol
[22:48:17] <sysmonk> Trengo: another idea - ask them to fax you the newsletter
[22:48:25] <sysmonk> fax paper is nice for your ass ;)
[22:48:38] <Trengo> you'd think
[22:48:51] <Trengo> faxes are emailed as pdfs
[22:49:11] <sysmonk> yeah, that sucks
[22:49:17] <Trengo> i never tried wiping with a pdf
[22:49:18] <sysmonk> but you can | lpr them
[22:49:25] <Trengo> windows
[22:49:33] <Trengo> i suffer too much :(
[22:49:40] <sysmonk> Trengo: you can write them to a cd and try to wipe with a cd
[22:49:52] <sysmonk> although a floppy disk would be nicer
[22:49:58] <sysmonk> but you'd need many of those
[22:50:07] <Trengo> god no
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[23:08:30] <pickcoder> so.. back to my question long-ago. how can I block client access to an alias
[23:09:41] <pickcoder> !check_recipient_access
[23:09:42] <knoba> pickcoder: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[23:10:24] <pickcoder> hm
[23:10:37] <pickcoder> I guess I can use that on the mailgate
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[23:14:51] <adaptr> mailgate!
[23:14:58] <adaptr> who did you payola ?
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[23:25:49] <pickcoder> eh?
[23:27:03] <adaptr> watergate, lewinskygate, irangate...
[23:27:14] <adaptr> mailgate!
[23:27:20] <pickcoder> heh
[23:27:29] <adaptr> visions of corruption and indictments are conjured before my very eyes
[23:27:45] <adaptr> and I would LOVE to see GW indicted - who cares what for
[23:28:12] <adaptr> reading his daughters' steaming sex emails , that would be a mailgate
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[23:38:22] <seekwill> Were there any attachments?
[23:40:23] <pickcoder> seekwill: I've gotten partial approval for GPL of the mail conversion script. the only problem is support. I don't have time!
[23:40:39] <seekwill> pickcoder: hehe
[23:40:43] <seekwill> Mailinglist!
[23:41:07] <seekwill> Though it seems pretty straightforward and wouldn't need support docs
[23:41:19] <pickcoder> I have like 4 or 5 GPL projects sitting around that I don't have time to work on already
[23:41:28] <pickcoder> mvwww has been sitting alone for over 2 years
[23:41:42] <seekwill> "Troubleshooting steps: 1.) Reboot 2.) Reboot 3.) Reboot 4.) Copy the original script again"
[23:41:53] <seekwill> mvwww?
[23:41:55] <pickcoder> I have an XML API project for OpenQM that has not been offically released
[23:42:08] <pickcoder> it's a web application framework for Pick
[23:42:17] <pickcoder> API
[23:42:22] <seekwill> oh
[23:42:55] <pickcoder> mvwww.sourceforge.net
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[23:45:52] <seekwill> pickcoder: Still not sure what it is
[23:46:09] <seekwill> But it's ok... I'm a n00b
[23:46:24] <pickcoder> pick is a database environment that has it's own programming language
[23:46:34] <pickcoder> so you can write embedded web apps
[23:47:20] <pickcoder> alongside terminal apps and GUI apps
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