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[00:01:26] <xeer> to map the aliases from root to the users?
[00:01:47] <adaptr> there is only ONE root!
[00:01:54] <adaptr> but root may have many aliases
[00:02:11] <adaptr> and you only map IT to ONE actual mail user who actually receives the mail
[00:02:26] <xeer> postmaster.. that's what I asked earlier
[00:02:53] <adaptr> no, postmaster is NOT a real user
[00:03:11] <adaptr> it is mapped to root in all distributions I have ever used
[00:03:11] <xeer> postmaster is not allowed to have a uid?
[00:03:20] <adaptr> it doesn't *need* one
[00:03:33] <adaptr> as it's just a mail alias for an adminstrator
[00:05:12] <xeer>  postfix/local[6167]: B996E3FFAF: to=<root at mail dot domain.com>, orig_to=<root>, relay=local, delay=0.01, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[00:05:28] <adaptr> success!
[00:07:08] <xeer> That's great, but it's random to me where the files are kept. =/
[00:07:21] <adaptr> not at all
[00:07:26] <adaptr> !maildir
[00:07:27] <knoba> adaptr: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
[00:08:01] <xeer> Well I choose to use maildir because I like how it operates better then mbox
[00:08:11] <adaptr> obviously
[00:08:14] <xeer> I just don't know where postfix is putting the files..
[00:08:17] <adaptr> mbox is very last century
[00:08:23] <adaptr> you have told it where to put them
[00:08:30] <xeer> Maildir/
[00:08:31] <adaptr> so go look there
[00:08:33] <xeer> that's not a full path.
[00:08:41] <adaptr> now try *READING*
[00:10:52] * xeer mumbles
[00:11:29] <xeer> I'm finding a /root/Maildir
[00:11:31] <adaptr> !home_mailbox
[00:11:32] <knoba> adaptr: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[00:11:50] <adaptr> RELATIVE TO A LOCAL USERS HOME DIRECTOREEEEEYYYY
[00:11:58] <adaptr> chorus!
[00:12:03] <xeer> lol
[00:14:48] <xeer> If I'm not confused, I need to make a virtual hash file for my email address and their directory location (so they don't go to /root/Maildir)? This hash goes to virtual_alias_maps?
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[00:18:35] <adaptr> nope
[00:18:45] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[00:18:46] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[00:19:16] <adaptr> but that's just a lookup table, the location of the maildirs is at
[00:19:19] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_base
[00:19:20] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
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[00:19:52] <xeer> Yes, though virtual_mailbox_base doesn't know about user names in the email address.
[00:19:59] <adaptr> so you can set _base to /var/vmail/ and map each virtual user to anywhere underneath
[00:20:19] <adaptr> there are no user names in an email address, especially not with virtuals
[00:23:11] <xeer> If I set _base to /var/vmail, how can I seperate the emails by domain and then by user? eg: /var/vmail/domain.com/username/new,cur,tmp .. etc
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[00:27:22] <adaptr> use the maps
[00:27:34] <adaptr> !vitrual_readme
[00:27:35] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "vitrual_readme" is not a valid command.
[00:27:38] <adaptr> !virtual_readme
[00:27:39] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "virtual_readme" is not a valid command.
[00:27:44] <adaptr> damn bot!
[00:27:46] <adaptr> !virtual
[00:27:47] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[00:27:53] <adaptr> that one has all the details
[00:28:37] <xeer> Alright, ty
[00:28:55] <xeer> I'm already there though, been reading this page since yesterday afternoon..
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[00:30:47] <xeer> an example on that page (the last one) uses virtual_alias_maps with "postmaster at example dot com postmaster"
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[00:30:56] <xeer> do I need to alias every address??
[00:31:07] <xeer> whats the purpose of that...?
[00:32:13] <adaptr> no, if the RHS is not a folder or a FQN address then it is a local address
[00:32:30] <adaptr> and yes, every address must be present, unless you do a bit of wildcarding
[00:34:28] <xeer> and they should point to what user?
[00:34:39] <xeer> my postmaster, correct?
[00:34:53] <adaptr> wherever you wish them to go
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[00:37:51] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_command
[00:37:51] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "virtual_mailbox_command" is not a valid command.
[00:38:05] <adaptr> darnit!
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[00:46:34] <xeer> ugh! My mail is still being delivered to /root
[00:46:48] <xeer> I've specified virtual_mailbox_base
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[00:52:44] <xeer> warning: do not list domain MYDOMAIN.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains
[00:52:58] <adaptr> you're telling me ?
[00:53:00] <xeer> though, I only have it listed in virtual_mailbox_domains
[00:53:28] <xeer> mydestination = $myhostname, $mydomain, localhost
[00:53:33] <xeer> myhostname and mydomain are commented out
[00:53:43] <xeer> and my default hostname is not my domain name.
[00:54:01] <adaptr> don't guess - prove
[00:54:08] <adaptr> postconf mydestination
[00:54:55] <xeer> I might ask, why doesn't it like it?
[00:55:45] <xeer> do I even care about what is in mydestination if I am using virtual domains?
[00:55:58] <adaptr> certainly, if only because of the aforementioned warning
[00:55:58] <xeer> all thats in there is localhost and localdomain
[00:56:04] <adaptr> read
[00:56:10] <adaptr> !address_class
[00:56:11] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "address_class" is not a valid command.
[00:56:19] <adaptr> fuck knob!
[00:56:28] <adaptr> !ADDRESS_CLASS_README
[00:56:29] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "ADDRESS_CLASS_README" is not a valid command.
[00:56:34] <adaptr> then what ?!?
[00:56:37] <adaptr> !classes
[00:56:38] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "classes" is not a valid command.
[00:56:45] <adaptr> !address_classes
[00:56:45] <knoba> adaptr: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[00:56:48] <adaptr> sjeesh!
[00:56:54] <adaptr> there's 5 classes
[00:57:02] <xeer> hrm..
[00:57:02] <adaptr> each domain you control may be in only one class
[00:57:38] <adaptr> local, mydestination, relay_domains, virtual_bla and .. damn I always forget the last one
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[02:21:10] <gnuSnob> why don't you folks switch to exim?
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[03:45:52] <lunaphyte> gnuSnob: are you trolling?
[03:48:15] <ki__> is postfix faster than sendmail?
[03:48:34] <lunaphyte> define faster.
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[03:56:46] <magyar> hi, trying to connect on smtps protocol, but getting "Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP" errors in logs
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[03:57:28] <dembug> hello guys :D
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[04:01:16] <dembug> can anyone tell me where i can find the config where i can change where authdaemond looks for the maildir: authdaemond: Authenticated: sysusername=<null>, sysuserid=5000, sysgroupid=5000, homedir=/home/vmail
[04:01:47] <dembug> I thought this was in the /etc/courier/authdaeond authdaemonrc but it seems to be set already so im a bit confused :)
[04:03:27] <sahil> dembug: is that a Postfix question? :)
[04:03:49] <dembug> heh, :( lol thats the thing, i'm not entirely sure :)
[04:04:11] <dembug> anyway i'm just glad i've finally got imap and pop3 working 100%, and virtual maps etc
[04:04:28] <dembug> only problem is i've missed some maildir var in some config :) and it says /home/vmail instead of what it should be /var/mail/vmail :D
[04:04:46] <dembug> its imapd trying to chdir in the wrong place , let me look in imapd.conf :P
[04:08:35] <dembug> virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/vmail
[04:08:38] <dembug> meh im stumped :(
[04:09:40] <dembug> heh i suppose i could be naughty and just ln -s /var/mail/vmail /home/vmail - that'd stop the imap auth daemon from moaning :)
[04:13:04] <dembug> aha
[04:13:16] <dembug> i might have forgotten to restart authdaemond :P
[04:13:52] <dembug> awesome, it works :) you rock thankyou for nothing!!!
[04:14:05] * dembug chuckles
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[04:38:00] <hm232> When a piece of mail does not go to the end user, how do I control the time it sits in the queue, it seems to wait about 3 days, I would like to make it a few hours.
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[05:11:53] <sahil> hm232: maximal_queue_lifetime perhaps?
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[05:24:23] <sahil> dembug: nice work.  glad you have imapd working.
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[06:02:35] <dembug> heh yeah me too sahil :) sasl is broken because i messed up the config, but that is for tomorrow :D nn sahil
[06:03:11] <dembug> heh sasl auth really was the least of my problems
[06:12:06] <seekwill> sasl is the key!
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[06:43:13] <dembug> mhh postfix works fine though, all postfix problems solved :)
[06:43:24] <dembug> auth works , just got to get relay and sasl working :)
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[07:43:21] <albech> anyone know of a good log parser for postfix?
[07:44:37] <f3ew> pflogsumm.pl?
[07:44:41] <f3ew> !pflogsumm
[07:44:42] <knoba> f3ew: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html
[07:44:57] <albech> thanks f3ew
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[07:55:13] <De[X]tone> hello guys...
[07:55:23] <De[X]tone> any online users here ?
[07:55:59] <mase_desktop> i'm offiline
[07:56:07] <mase_desktop> but i'm pretending to be online
[07:56:12] <De[X]tone> lol
[07:56:21] <mase_desktop> don't tell anyone
[07:56:34] * sysmonk pm's everyone
[07:56:50] <De[X]tone> okay, any one online that can assure me you are really online and not to pretend it
[07:56:52] <De[X]tone> =))
[07:57:04] <sysmonk> *silence*
[07:58:07] <De[X]tone> so, any online users can read this http://paste.lisp.org/display/64376 ?
[07:58:29] <De[X]tone> i really need your help and assists badly
[07:59:04] <f3ew> connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: read timeout <====
[07:59:07] <f3ew> firewall?
[07:59:16] <f3ew> amavisd-new taking too long?
[07:59:22] <f3ew> LMTP server not responding?
[07:59:55] <De[X]tone> i have disable my iptables services
[08:00:02] <De[X]tone> and also amavisd
[08:01:02] <De[X]tone> i'm sure this caused by cant connected ports, but i'm not sure what services that block those ports
[08:01:03] <f3ew> turn amavis non
[08:01:03] <f3ew> on
[08:01:53] <De[X]tone> okay
[08:02:00] <De[X]tone> i'll try it
[08:03:33] <De[X]tone> but this problems appears only temporary
[08:03:50] <De[X]tone> when the traffic going high
[08:08:25] <f3ew> you might need to increase amavisd child processes in amavisd.conf
[08:11:27] <De[X]tone> how many f3ew ?
[08:14:06] <f3ew> as many as you can handle?
[08:15:16] <De[X]tone> i'll paste the paste bin is it ok ?
[08:15:30] <De[X]tone> http://paste.lisp.org/display/64376#1
[08:17:17] * De[X]tone bbl rebooting my notebook, thx for helping me ;)
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[09:38:14] <corey> Hi people.
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[09:40:11] <corey> I have my main.cf configured with virtual domain support, but all my mail goes directly to root.
[09:40:32] <corey> I'm not that familiar with the virtual_* variables to correctly map the emails to their respective folders based on the email address.
[09:40:36] <corey> How can I do such a thing?
[09:52:08] <corey> postfix seems to be ignoring the data in virtual_mailbox_maps. I have my address followed by my desired path. Instead it puts new mail in /root
[09:53:08] <corey> (yes, I have postmap'd the file)
[09:56:32] <rikkyc> corey: Can you show your config files?
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[09:58:12] <corey> Ah more debugging helped. Sending to postmaster@domain goes to root as expected. postfix tired to put mail from corey@domain into /home/corey, which doesn't exist because I'm not going to create a user for each address. I'm trying to make this virtual.
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[09:59:27] <f3ew> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[09:59:27] <knoba> f3ew: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[09:59:30] <f3ew> !virtual
[09:59:31] <knoba> f3ew: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[10:00:02] <corey> and somehow it tried to access /home/corey with a UID/GID of 508, which doesn't even exist.. 508 is also not in any config files
[10:00:36] <corey> oh i lied, 508 is the UID of corey in /etc/passwd.
[10:00:44] <corey> Should I remove this entry?
[10:03:31] <corey> I did so and I receive a bounced message stating the user does not exist. Shouldn't postfix be reading the address from my virtual_mailbox_maps hash file?
[10:03:39] <f3ew> corey, you need to move the domain from mydestination to virtual_mailbox_domains
[10:04:13] <corey> that has already been done
[10:06:45] <corey> I removed the domain from mydestination because the logs reported it shouldn't be in both places.
[10:06:55] <corey> I actually just commented out mydestination
[10:10:04] <f3ew> no
[10:10:20] <f3ew> see postconf mydestination to see actual values
[10:10:53] <corey> It includes myhostname and mydomain
[10:11:13] <corey> both of which I commented out because it had my domain name in it..
[10:13:46] <corey> The readme says to put my domain in mydestination. the error logs warns that it shouldn't be in both places... i'm confused!
[10:14:20] <corey> * be in both virtual_mailbox_domains and mydestination
[10:16:05] <corey> Final-Recipient: rfc822; corey at localhost dot localdomain
[10:16:13] <corey> that's from the bounced message
[10:17:18] <corey> if I include my domain in mydestination, the email address should exand to my domain name.. should I just ignore the message the log gives me about having it in both placeS?
[10:19:06] <f3ew> no
[10:19:21] <f3ew> See http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html
[10:19:34] <f3ew> mydestination =
[10:19:39] <f3ew> put that in main.cf for now
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[10:32:03] <corey> logs say the recepient was not found in virtual_uid_maps
[10:32:27] <corey> I'll redo my research on that variable..
[10:34:54] <corey> my virtual_uid_maps is default, which the readme says is empty
[10:35:32] <corey> too bad the readme doesn't tell me what goes in the virtual_uid_maps file
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[10:38:22] <f3ew> corey_ static:508
[10:38:36] <corey_> stupid isp
[10:38:37] <corey_> anyways
[10:39:09] <corey_> the readme doesn't tell me what goes in the virtual_uid_maps file. postfix wants me to give it the uid for the recipient?
[10:39:26] <corey_> should I give it the uid of the postmaster?
[10:42:48] <f3ew> the uid of the owner of the directory where the mail will be stored
[10:43:28] <f3ew> So if you create a system user vmail for this purpose, use static:<uid_of_vmail> here
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[10:47:35] <anebi> hi
[10:48:07] <anebi> i need little bit help and info how to configure postfix to perform header check encoding
[10:48:42] <anebi> we get this error for some messages and they are discarded
[10:48:43] <anebi> http://pastebin.org/58120
[10:49:09] <anebi> i read here thet it is possible this problem to be solved:
[10:49:09] <anebi> http://osdir.com/ml/mail.virus.maiamailguard/2005-02/msg00043.html
[10:49:45] <anebi> how i need to configure postfix to get this converting working ( sender (8-bit) --> SMTP (7-bit) --> receiver (8-bit) )?
[10:50:37] <f3ew> postconf | grep 8bit
[10:50:38] <f3ew> strict_8bitmime = no
[10:50:38] <f3ew> strict_8bitmime_body = no
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[10:51:47] <anebi> thanks
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[11:06:52] <anebi> f3ew:  i have these set no by default
[11:07:31] <tuxick> somehow i have clamav-milter failing silently
[11:09:32] <tuxick> aha
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[11:13:17] <Medalgod> hi all, can someone tell me how to list the piostfix incoming mail
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[11:22:15] <shasta> what?
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[11:23:28] <buffoon_work> hi! i want to configure postfix to use a mysql database for the transport. First i used hash tables (example line: domain.com :[123.123.123.123]) which worked fine. now i use a table with just the domain and then the ip adress (tried with [] and without) but i always get "could not connect to transport [123.123.123.123]: No such file or directory"
[11:25:09] <buffoon_work> i guess the syntax in the database is wrong...
[11:25:35] <buffoon_work> but how do i have to put that on the database?
[11:26:42] <shasta> start with :
[11:27:08] <buffoon_work> ah, so :[123.123.123] should work?
[11:27:43] <shasta> select transport from transports where domain='domain.com' should return exactly what you had in hash tables -- ':[123.123.123.123]', or, if you want it to be more readable -- 'smtp:[123.123.123.123]'
[11:30:29] <buffoon_work> ah, ok. works fine now thank you
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[12:06:03] <cedric3> hi i have a probleme i see on the log server dropped connection without sending the initial SMTP greeting  and SMTP server said after RCPTSender address rejected: Domain not found
[12:06:11] <cedric3> i don't know why thannks for your help
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[12:08:18] <cedric3> nobody have any idea please
[12:08:30] <shasta> pastebin relevant log entries; do not obfuscate addresses
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[12:09:39] <cedric3> i this it's a relay problem no ?
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[12:23:07] <cedric3> i have this error but i don't find solution  NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: 450  Sender address rejected: Domain not found;  yo ucan see the log detail onhttp://pastebin.com/mab105fc thanks
[12:25:03] <xpoint> why is clamav.net not update there soa since yeasterday ?
[12:25:35] <xpoint> freshclam says dns is older then 3 hours here
[12:26:36] <shasta> daily.cld updated (version: 7876, sigs: 65177, f-level: 33, builder: ccordes)
[12:26:40] <shasta> works fine here
[12:26:57] <xpoint> with http mode fetch yes
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[12:27:15] <xpoint> but see logs about DNS errors
[12:28:00] <shasta> Mon Jul 28 09:47:01 2008 -> WARNING: DNS record is older than 3 hours.
[12:28:04] <xpoint> each time dns data changes its nesseserly to make soa update to
[12:28:05] <shasta> just one
[12:31:41] <cedric3> nobody have any idea ?
[12:31:46] <cedric3> i search on google :)
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[12:33:13] * xpoint post this on clamav maillist hope some are awake and fix dns :-)
[12:36:29] <shasta> cedric3, you probably have reject_unknown_sender_domain in your smtpd_(sender|recipient)_restrictions, and autoreply.test.fr doesn't exist in dns
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[12:40:44] <UB`> Hi how can I tell to Postfix to send a reply when a user sends a mail to a non existant account?
[12:45:16] <cpm> huh?
[12:45:27] <shasta> DON'T.
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[12:45:53] <cpm> if you accept mail for non existent accounts, you will generate backscatter. Don't do it. Do not accept mail you cannot deliver.
[12:46:24] <cpm> UB`, give an example please
[12:46:32] <shasta> UB, all you need to do is to reject emails to nonexisting accounts during the smtp session, just after RCPT TO:
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[12:47:01] <xpoint> reject_unlisted_recipient
[12:47:05] <UB`> cpm I don't want accept mail for nonexistent
[12:47:14] <xpoint> will be the minimal in postfix
[12:47:15] <UB`> I would like to have a reply from the server
[12:47:17] <cpm> UB`, then don't.
[12:47:27] <cpm> reply from the server for what?
[12:47:30] <cpm> give an example please.
[12:47:32] <UB`> with User Unkown message
[12:47:33] <cpm> (last time)
[12:47:42] <cpm> UB`, it does that by default.
[12:47:51] <UB`> mmm
[12:47:52] <xpoint> UB`, read topic, postconf -n
[12:49:05] <fluxdude> does anyone know if it's possible to add an email disclaimer to the end of all outbound emails going through postfix?
[12:49:15] <shasta> fluxdude, altermime
[12:49:30] <fluxdude> shasta: ok thanks I'll look up the docs on that
[12:49:36] <cpm> fluxdude, why?
[12:49:45] <xpoint> fluxdude, yes its considered spam to do so
[12:49:49] <cpm> yup.
[12:50:00] <cpm> classic 'shithouse lawyers' in the boardroom stuff
[12:50:57] <f3ew> !altermime
[12:50:58] <knoba> f3ew: "altermime" : an extra software to alter the mail body http://www.pldaniels.com/altermime/
[12:51:02] <f3ew> !disclaimer
[12:51:03] <knoba> f3ew: "disclaimer" : You want to add a disclaimer to every email because your boss wants you to do that? Try altermime (http://www.pldaniels.com/altermime/)
[12:51:38] <shasta> UB`, by default, postfix responds with "550 Recipied address rejected: User unknown (...)" to emails for nonexistent accounts. it *is* a self-explaining reply from the server
[12:52:03] <xpoint> can altermime work with dkim, ....
[12:52:28] <shasta> noone said it's perfect, xpoint
[12:52:33] <f3ew> xpoint orthogonal
[12:53:15] <xpoint> UB`, still waiting to help you here
[12:53:46] <shasta> there's nothing to help in this case :>
[12:54:24] <xpoint> yes he will like more info on what he did wroung sooner or later
[12:54:24] <UB`> thank you here is the conf http://tinypaste.com/b1c6e
[12:54:51] <UB`> now I'm testing it but I'm quite sure it doesn't reply to me if I send an email to a non-existent user
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[12:56:12] <xpoint> UB`, smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination < this is doing fine for reject unknown recipient
[12:56:38] <shasta> "no backscatter. kthxplzbai."
[12:56:42] <shasta> ;)
[12:57:55] <xpoint> UB`, show logs if it still gives problems with that config
[12:59:01] <xpoint> UB`, you can add:
[12:59:35] <xpoint> smtpd_client_restrictions = reject_unlisted_recipient
[13:00:02] <UB`> reject is very fine but I would like a reply to the sender
[13:00:09] <xpoint> will do no harm to do so, but your config is still okay without
[13:00:19] <UB`> mm
[13:00:21] <shasta> Connected to mail.admirabilia.it.
[13:00:31] <shasta> MAIL FROM:<me at irc dot pl>
[13:00:35] <shasta> 250 2.1.0 Ok
[13:00:35] <shasta> RCPT TO:<askjdnaksjdnskasjnda at mail dot admirabilia.it>
[13:00:35] <shasta> 550 5.1.1 <askjdnaksjdnskasjnda at mail dot admirabilia.it>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[13:00:42] <UB`> ok perfect
[13:01:06] <shasta> i don't know what's in your virtual_* stuff, so I can't test that
[13:01:26] <xpoint> shasta, stop being rude :)
[13:02:01] <shasta> never <:
[13:02:51] <xpoint> its imho needs a mann to fix all exim bugs, but just one line in main.cf
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[13:08:09] <xpoint> UB`, your postfix have one missing thing, where is your wan ip ?
[13:08:29] <UB`> xpoint is a network related issue
[13:08:31] <xpoint> UB`, running postfix behind nat ?
[13:08:34] <UB`> no wan
[13:08:35] <UB`> yes
[13:08:46] <UB`> it's behind a NAT
[13:08:51] <xpoint> then add the wan ip
[13:09:21] <UB`> is it a problem if there isn't?
[13:09:28] <xpoint> postconf -e 'proxy_interfaces=<wan-ip>' where wan-ip is the wan ip
[13:09:38] <tuxick> i'm using ldap-aliases.cf: query_filter = mailAlternateAddress=%s, result_attribute = mail, yet postfix passes %s to dovecot deliver
[13:09:40] <tuxick> how to fix this?
[13:11:33] <tuxick> probably need to find out how to pass correct param in master.cf ?
[13:12:15] <xpoint> dovecot have its own lda, why not use it as mailbox_command ?
[13:12:47] <UB`> xpoint thank you for the tips
[13:12:52] <UB`> have a nice day
[13:13:01] <xpoint> tuxick, http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix
[13:13:19] <cpm> maybe tuxick isn't doing local delivery?
[13:13:40] <cpm> maybe he's using dovecot deliver because his users are virtual?
[13:13:48] <xpoint> cpm, alias rewrite before lda
[13:14:19] <tuxick> users and aliass both in ldap
[13:14:27] <xpoint> dovecot uses lda even for virtual users
[13:14:46] <xpoint> but do not use postfix lda
[13:15:26] <cpm> xpoint, I see
[13:15:39] <xpoint> tuxick, you have 2 issues, one is ldap, other is lda config
[13:15:53] <tuxick> ldap isn't the problem :)
[13:16:01] <tuxick> postfix finds the alias just fine
[13:16:30] <xpoint> but is the final dest what dovecot sees or not is the point :)
[13:16:57] <tuxick> well that's the point, i can either make postfix pass the 'real' address to deliver
[13:16:59] <xpoint> alias rewrite before lda
[13:17:31] <tuxick> yeah, that sounds like the keywords i mean :)
[13:17:42] <xpoint> yep
[13:18:18] <xpoint> UB`, no problem
[13:18:19] <tuxick> this means i have to find this in postfix docs somewhere, not in dovecot
[13:18:55] <tuxick> or find a way do make deliver do things right
[13:19:02] <xpoint> tuxick, read readme ldap in postfix ?
[13:19:40] <xpoint> see the wiki page above, and fix postfix ldap to make alias rewrite before lda
[13:20:04] <xpoint> solved
[13:20:07] <tuxick> hold on, that wiki is about dovecot
[13:20:25] <tuxick> if i pass real address to dovecot lda why read that?
[13:20:26] <xpoint> its about sex to :)
[13:20:52] <cpm> it is all about sex
[13:21:03] * tuxick sighs
[13:21:45] <xpoint> tuxick, as i say you have 2 uniq issues, one is dovecot config in postfix, the other is ldap config in postfix
[13:22:07] <xpoint> both problems need to be solved
[13:22:21] <tuxick> no, i have 1 issue that can be solved in two ways
[13:22:39] <tuxick> if postfix takes care of rewriting dovecot is just fine
[13:22:59] <tuxick> or if it doesn't, i need to find out how to fix dovecot
[13:25:04] <tuxick> and i can't figure out either
[13:26:19] <tuxick> ah sorry, "dovecot config in postfix"
[13:26:31] <tuxick> that's the call to deliver in master.cf
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[13:32:17] <tuxick> i thought "resultattribute = mail" would do the trick
[13:32:29] <tuxick> but i need some secret beside this
[13:34:24] <tuxick> bleh
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[13:48:38] <tuxick> "result_format = %s" also seemed an option :)
[13:52:31] <tuxick> oww come to think of it, i need it rewritten way earlier
[13:52:43] <tuxick> since i need the real address passed to clamav-milter
[14:01:47] <tuxick> postmap -q gives me the correct response btw
[14:02:57] <rob0> How about a pastebin with a clear illustration of the problem (your words + logs) and "postconf -n"? And bring me coffee.
[14:03:29] <cedric3> shasta : if i want it worjk i delete this line reject_unknown_sender_domain ?
[14:04:37] <xpoint> dovecot can do any rewrite of alias in ldap
[14:04:43] <xpoint> can't even
[14:04:47] <shasta> first of all, *you* should *know* what this (and other) option does, cedric
[14:05:28] <tuxick> xpoint: i couldn't use that anyway
[14:05:45] * cpm toddles off to get rob0's coffee
[14:06:03] <xpoint> tuxick, same here, i use mysql, but postfix is not diffrent with ldap
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[14:06:43] <tuxick> \o/\o/ i had to add virtual_alias_maps
[14:07:04] <xpoint> tuxick, he
[14:07:29] <tuxick> alias_maps was good enough to make it accept mail
[14:07:53] <tuxick> goodie
[14:07:58] <tuxick> now i'm getting somewhere
[14:08:08] <xpoint> tuxick, check your maps
[14:08:18] <tuxick> like?
[14:08:32] <xpoint> tuxick, postmap -q foo at foo dot tld ldap:/...
[14:08:49] <tuxick> that was already giving expected result
[14:09:17] <tuxick> it's sorted now
[14:09:17] <xpoint> results is ether empty, or results that dovecot/postfix needs
[14:09:32] <tuxick> well i did get the right result, but it wasn't passed on
[14:09:43] <tuxick> until i also defined virtual_alias_maps
[14:09:46] * cpm hopes tuxick doesn't pass on
[14:10:05] <tuxick> cpm: au contraire! got almost everything sorted now
[14:10:08] <xpoint> tuxick, remember dovecot can only deliver to mailbox, not to alias, that all
[14:10:26] <tuxick> xpoint: no worries, dovecot has been working fine all along
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[14:11:02] <tuxick> but now i can mail to an alias, have that expand to valid ldap account, have milter-clamav use userprefs from mysql etc :)
[14:11:16] <xpoint> tuxick, see deliver as a local lda in postfix terms then you know what to change in postfix
[14:11:19] <tuxick> the only problem now would be multiple accounts with same aliases
[14:11:43] <tuxick> xpoint: yesyes, that's why i needed postfix to take care of rewriting
[14:12:20] <xpoint> yep or other clever mta :-)
[14:13:14] <tuxick> suppose qmail could have done the trick too yes
[14:13:25] <tuxick> but i wanted something capable of handling milters and ldap
[14:13:50] <tuxick> so far i think postfix+dovecot+ldap is a good combination
[14:14:01] <tuxick> oh, sieve was another requirement :)
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[14:14:53] <xpoint> tuxick, sieve is working fine on my gentoo server
[14:15:10] <xpoint> thanks to dovecot :)
[14:17:22] <tuxick> yes it looks functional
[14:17:48] <tuxick> last night i started fixing avelsieve, to make it capable of actually reading sieve scripts
[14:18:42] <cpm> it does read sieve scripts. Just only reads the ones created by it.
[14:19:05] <cpm> next your going to tell me you are going to fix xml
[14:20:09] <rob0> nono! Don't fix xml. Fix me some scrambled eggs and hash browns. Or, over easy and grits.
[14:20:28] * cpm toddles off back to the kitchen, sighing
[14:21:06] <tuxick> cpm: i'd rather rewrite sieve to use xml
[14:21:22] <tuxick> saves all the hassle of writing yet another parser
[14:21:50] <cpm> but you've seen one xml parser, you've seen one xml parser
[14:22:15] <cpm> there are almost as many ways to parse xml are there are projects that insist there is some sanity to using it in the first place.
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[14:26:15] <xpoint> lets drop sieve since there is no good xml for it :)
[14:26:48] <xpoint> its like writing basic programs, when one should use comal
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[14:35:08] <f3ew> heh
[14:35:25] <f3ew> It's easy to fix XML
[14:35:34] <f3ew> (L(I(SP)))
[14:36:05] <tuxick> well i'm not joking, xml seems a reasonable choice for a thing like sieve
[14:36:22] <tuxick> maybe a tad slow though
[14:37:56] <f3ew> ick, no
[14:38:03] <f3ew> XML is almost always the wrong choice
[14:39:24] * cpm applauds f3ew
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[14:42:14] <sysmonk> o_O
[14:42:28] <sysmonk> let's make ssh traffic go in xml
[14:42:40] <sysmonk> and don't forget to make smtp 'xml compatible'
[14:43:32] <sysmonk> <smtp><client><input><recipient><username>blah</username><domain>ebay.com</domain></recipient></input></client></smtp>
[14:43:35] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:43:58] <sysmonk> that will save SO MUCH traffic and parsing!
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[14:49:58] <cpm> heh
[14:50:10] <xpoint> UB`, dump one as default "receive_override_options = no_address_mappings" :(
[14:51:03] <xpoint> UB`, what does this one solve for you "append_dot_mydomain = no" ?
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[14:51:30] <cpm> let's make irc xml compatable <irc><freenode><#postfix><sysmonk><Cc*>how idiotic can this be?</Cc*></sysmonk></#postfix></freenode></irc>
[14:53:01] <xpoint> do not compile run in comal :)
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[14:53:41] <Guest30662> cpm: you mean jabber? :)
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[14:55:57] <cpm> taec, touche`
[14:56:53] <f3ew> <protocol="irc"><server="irc.freenode.net"><channel="#postfix"><message="public" timestamp="20080730T183000+0530"><speaker><type="human"><handle="sysmonk"></handle></type><body>How idiotic can this be?</body></speaker></message></channel></server></protocol>
[14:56:54] <sysmonk> cpm: wrong!
[14:57:04] <sysmonk> f3ew: your's is better
[14:57:21] <f3ew> not obnoxious enough, and does not include a DTD
[14:57:25] <sysmonk> although i'd make timestamp and timezone different
[14:57:41] <sysmonk> oh yeah, dtd with each message!
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[14:58:36] <sysmonk> f3ew: also you could include message length, message charset, user status (op, voice and etc)
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[15:00:25] <alienbrain> f3ew: is that valid xml?
[15:00:32] * alienbrain doesn't think so
[15:01:07] <cpm> sysmonk, Yeah, I suxorz @xml, but I can carry that failing to my grave with no burden/
[15:01:15] <rob0> yup
[15:02:07] <rob0> </speaker> should be before the <body> tag, right?
[15:02:46] <rob0> should type and handle be speaker attributes?
[15:03:18] <rob0> Also, I think you're assuming way too much when you say sysmonk is human, but that's not a matter of XML.
[15:03:54] <xpoint> http://opengrok.creo.hu/openbsd/xref/src/usr.sbin/bind/doc/arm/Bv9ARM-book.xml good example on xml :-)
[15:05:40] <cpm> [info] You are wasting time.
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[15:12:38] <sysmonk> http://dev.fw.lt/xml-irc.xml
[15:12:38] <sysmonk> :P
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[15:15:56] <f3ew> alienbrain, depends on the DTD
[15:17:00] <alienbrain> f3ew: also, is <tag="value"> possible?
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[15:17:45] <imgrey> hi #postfix
[15:18:05] <sysmonk> alienbrain: really, i don't think it matters in #postfix, we're just joking around and not making a real xml-compatible irc api or whatever
[15:18:34] <imgrey> could someone tell what's wrong with this smtpd_recipient_restrictions list: http://dpaste.com/68151/  ?
[15:18:51] <sysmonk> you tell us imgrey :)
[15:18:59] <imgrey> why postfix keep raising """Illegal address syntax from yw-out-2324.google.com"""
[15:19:00] <sysmonk> we can't know what's wrong with your restrictions until we know the problem
[15:19:38] <imgrey> sysmonk, cannot send mail to mailbox at 91 dot 197.50.139
[15:19:45] <imgrey> s/send/deliver
[15:19:51] <f3ew> mailbox at [91 dot ...139]
[15:20:04] <imgrey> f3ew, i'm testing
[15:20:08] <imgrey> what's wrong ?
[15:20:12] <xpoint> cpm, life is a waste on its own
[15:20:30] <f3ew> missing []
[15:20:31] <imgrey> tried to comment out reject_non_fqdn_recipient
[15:20:37] <alienbrain> sysmonk: I understand, I wouldn't argue about it in anyway. my aim was to prevent misleading anyone :)
[15:20:43] <imgrey> f3ew, why ?
[15:20:53] <f3ew> RFC 821, RFC 2821
[15:22:33] <imgrey> f3ew, seems gmail do not know about it
[15:22:35] <imgrey> )
[15:24:53] <imgrey> rcpt to: mailbox at [91 dot 197.50.139]
[15:24:53] <imgrey> 504 5.5.2 <localhost>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname
[15:24:54] <imgrey> :/
[15:25:31] <sysmonk> imgrey: HELO command rejected
[15:25:33] <sysmonk> not rcpt
[15:25:43] <imgrey> right
[15:25:44] <imgrey> sorry
[15:26:20] <imgrey> 550 5.1.1 <mailbox at [91 dot 197.50.139]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[15:26:48] <sysmonk> uuu, so, what's wrong with that then ? no local user by name 'mailbox'
[15:26:52] <sysmonk> or is there one ? :)
[15:27:13] <imgrey> mailbox is alias for real user
[15:27:33] <imgrey> specified in virtual_alias_maps
[15:27:37] <imgrey> in cdb
[15:28:38] <imgrey> nevermind
[15:28:39] <imgrey> fixed
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[15:32:22] <cpm> xpoint, if you spend it mastering xml, yes. No argument
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[15:50:45] <rob0> Why, if I were to guess at that, I would guess that you used a non-FQDN as HELO.
[15:51:00] <rob0> oops
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[15:51:21] <rob0> I was scrolled up and see that sysmonk answered that already
[15:51:39] <rob0> !unknown_local
[15:51:40] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).
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[15:54:10] <al-Quaknaa> Hello, please, where can I find out what certain status numbers mean for generic checks? For example those two:
[15:54:13] <al-Quaknaa> generic_checks: name=permit_mynetworks status=0
[15:54:17] <al-Quaknaa> generic_checks: name=reject_unauth_destination status=2
[15:54:44] <rob0> I wonder why you're using verbose logging? It rarely helps.
[15:54:48] <lunaphyte_> the source code?
[15:55:09] <al-Quaknaa> I don't know why my server rejects messages from outside
[15:55:16] <al-Quaknaa> I'm trying to set it up with mailman
[15:55:39] <al-Quaknaa> But most howtos I've found are with virtual domains, which I don't want to use
[15:56:30] <lunaphyte_> postfix will almost certainly complain loudly enough about rejections without the need for verbose logging.
[15:56:39] <al-Quaknaa> I think something with my mynetworks or mydestination is wrong.
[15:56:47] <al-Quaknaa> OK, I'll turn it off and see what I get ...
[15:57:05] <lunaphyte_> turn off the excessive logging, and post some log entries here if it's not apparent.
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[15:58:19] <al-Quaknaa> Jul 29 15:57:30 mx3 postfix/smtpd[3765]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
[15:58:19] <al-Quaknaa> unknown[77.75.72.45]: 554 5.7.1 <pokus at mydomain dot net>: Relay access
[15:58:19] <al-Quaknaa> denied; from=<myothermail at seznam dot cz> to=<pokus at mydomain dot net> proto=ESMTP
[15:58:19] <al-Quaknaa> helo=<mxm.seznam.cz>
[15:58:33] <al-Quaknaa> Sorry if I should have used pastebin
[15:58:38] <lunaphyte_> !relay_access_denied
[15:58:39] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "relay_access_denied" is not a valid command.
[15:58:45] <lunaphyte_> no?
[15:59:02] <al-Quaknaa> Sorry?
[15:59:07] <al-Quaknaa> What do you mean?
[15:59:16] <lunaphyte_> oh
[15:59:23] <lunaphyte_> !relay_denied
[15:59:24] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[16:00:01] <al-Quaknaa> The domain is listed in mydestinatikon, but I know I have rather poor understanding of how mynetworks work
[16:00:19] <al-Quaknaa> I want the server ro accept address from anywhere and reject all mails not going to the domains in mydestination
[16:00:54] <lunaphyte_> pastebin postconf -n
[16:01:46] <al-Quaknaa> crap ... I can see where I went wrong now .. why does it always happen -after_ I go to IRC and embarass myself ..
[16:02:35] <lunaphyte_> purely for our entertainment.
[16:03:09] <al-Quaknaa> I swear I was googling and trying to find out myself for 5+ hours ..
[16:04:18] <lunaphyte_> i had the same problem when i was searching for "transvestite reversal procedure".
[16:04:44] <al-Quaknaa> wt*?
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[16:26:25] <jelly> lunaphyte_: should have googled for "self bra removal"
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[16:27:42] <theneb> Hi all, I'm having issues with virtual domains and access denied errors when a user tries to send an email to an address on my server. I've defined the virtual_mailbox_domains and they have hte content
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[16:31:07] <theneb> Ah, one problem. It hasn't updated domains.db from the new domains. How can I generate domains.db?
[16:31:32] <cpm> postmap
[16:31:39] <cpm> man postmap
[16:31:43] <theneb> cheers
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[16:40:26] <penrod> greetings: any ideas why the vacation program is suddenly giving me the following error.  Command died with status 1: "/usr/bin/vacation  username
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[16:44:50] <madrescher1> every now and then I find "warning: do not list vmail.example.com in BOTH virtual_mailbox_domains and relay_domains". I have "virtual_mailbox_domains = vmail.example.com", but "relay_domains = $mydestination" and my_destination does not contain vmail.example.com. Any ideas?
[16:46:25] <f3ew> madrescher1 see parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[16:47:04] <madrescher1> oh! thanks :)
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[17:18:19] <mordaunt> when postfix uses aliases for forwarding mail does it identify itself in the mail from to the remote host as the local user?
[17:18:38] <f3ew> no
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[17:22:44] <mordaunt> so if i send me at gmail dot com ->  jayz at mydomain dot com  which is a forward to jayz at gmail dot com.  the smtp session during forward is   from: me at gmail dot com to: jayz at gmail dot com  ??
[17:22:59] <mordaunt> f3ew:  ?
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[17:23:20] <f3ew> yes
[17:23:34] <mordaunt> anyway to change that?
[17:24:13] <f3ew> no
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[17:24:50] <lgbr> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
[17:24:50] <mordaunt> *sigh*
[17:24:56] <lgbr> But how do I generate aliases.db?
[17:24:59] <lgbr> postmap doesn't like it
[17:25:12] <mordaunt> one of these days i'm going to reach out and throttle postfix
[17:25:24] * mordaunt goes to write a mail forwarding script
[17:25:42] <f3ew> lgbr newaliases/postalias
[17:25:55] <f3ew> mordaunt, that's true for any MTA though
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[17:31:14] <lgbr> f3ew: postalias did it. thanks!
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[17:35:34] <madsage_> help
[17:35:36] <madsage_> heh
[17:35:45] <madsage_> my spam filter is rejecting everything
[17:36:08] <seekwill> That's bad?
[17:36:08] <madsage_> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[17:36:34] <madsage_> i dont have a recipient table its a relay server
[17:36:57] <madsage_> and i've followed the instructions in main.cf for such, still rejects everything
[17:37:06] <madsage_> seewill, haha yeah man.. its working!
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[17:37:24] <madsage_> no spam for dure
[17:37:28] <madsage_> dure/sure
[17:37:50] <seekwill> Hmm...
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[17:38:28] * seekwill ponders the idea of a spamfilter on a relay server
[17:40:18] <madsage_> its a spam filer box, it relays to a back end exchange server
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[17:40:34] <seekwill> ah
[17:40:38] <madsage_> anyways, i've googled and found that i should add this,  smtpd_reject_unlisted_sender = no
[17:40:46] <jeeter522> Hey Guys - currently I have postfix setup as a front end MTA w/ an exchange server behind it (so postfix fwds all mail to my exchange box) now, I have dovecot setup and want to do pop3 on the postfix server, although now that I \have transport and relay setup, is this still possible ?
[17:40:56] <madsage_> i wasnt sure where, i added to main.cnf  it didnt help either..
[17:41:05] <seekwill> Then you NEED to link that box to your exchange server.
[17:41:24] <seekwill> You NEED NEED NEED to authenticate the users BEFORE it hits your Exchange server
[17:41:38] <madsage_> via LDAP?
[17:41:40] <jeeter522> seekwill : nah, you dont understand
[17:41:42] <jeeter522> i already am
[17:41:46] <jeeter522> that is working perfectly
[17:41:52] <seekwill> haha, both of you are talking about exchange
[17:41:56] <jeeter522> i want to setup POP3 (dovecot) ON my postfix box
[17:41:57] <seekwill> jeeter522: I didn't see your question :)
[17:42:04] <jeeter522> oh i thought you were talking to me
[17:42:07] <seekwill> Sorry
[17:42:11] <madsage_> seekwill, why cant postfix just filter and relay.. It used to..
[17:42:22] <seekwill> It can, but you don't want to
[17:42:22] <madsage_> somethign with new version has changed
[17:42:23] <jeeter522> madsage : whats your problem ?
[17:42:34] <madsage_> jeeter, rejecting all recipiants
[17:42:40] <jeeter522> setup relay_recipients
[17:42:43] <seekwill> madsage_: You'll backscatter if you don't authenticate good users on your edge
[17:42:50] <jeeter522> and postmap it
[17:43:03] <madsage_> sekkwill, ok will do that. but for now i'm bouncing email
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[17:43:15] <seekwill> madsage_: Yeah, and that's bad
[17:43:19] <seekwill> REALLY bad
[17:43:28] <seekwill> Like, blacklist bad
[17:43:35] <madsage_> so.. why does the instructions in main.cf work
[17:43:44] <madsage_> NOT work
[17:43:54] <jeeter522> there are cron jobs and vbs scripts you can set to run scheduled tasks in windows to postmap all your exchange users
[17:43:58] <seekwill> jeeter522: Sorry, I don't know yours
[17:44:04] <madsage_> it says to leave the recipient map with no value
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[17:44:29] <jeeter522> are you sure you are set to accept mail from ALL hosts and not just internal networks ?
[17:44:59] <madsage_> yes
[17:45:02] <seekwill> madsage_: I highly suggest spending the time to do it right
[17:45:06] <madsage_> it deff recipiant map issue
[17:45:08] * seekwill sighs
[17:45:20] <madsage_> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[17:45:26] <jeeter522> LOL
[17:45:30] <seekwill> Set up a local recipient table
[17:45:33] <jeeter522> setup relay_recipients and postmap it to your postfix server
[17:45:36] <madsage_> i have no table, it is clearly undefined.
[17:45:45] <jeeter522> but first run a vbs and export all your exchange users via LDAP queries
[17:45:55] <jeeter522> user at domain dot com   OK
[17:46:31] <madsage_> so setup and define a recipient table?
[17:46:35] <jeeter522> duh
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[17:46:47] <jeeter522> you want exchange to get bombarded with all your nonsense/bullshit emails ?
[17:46:58] <jeeter522> stop as much junk email as possible at the door
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[17:47:07] <madsage_> jeeter, i'm just trying to restore mail at this point
[17:47:30] <jeeter522> madsage : OK, either way, setup a recipient table
[17:47:31] <seekwill> Take down the spambox
[17:47:41] <jeeter522> no, dont put exchange on the outside
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[17:47:47] <seekwill> :)
[17:47:56] <madsage_> i understand that, and i will deploy an LDAP hook or something. until then is there somthing i add to my main.cnf that will allow my email to relay again?
[17:48:07] <jeeter522> not unless you make a table
[17:48:13] <jeeter522> and a transport
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[17:48:34] <madsage_> i have a transport
[17:48:36] <jeeter522> ok
[17:48:38] <jeeter522> so make the table
[17:48:39] <jeeter522> and your good
[17:48:45] <madsage_> points to my exchange smtp
[17:48:53] <jeeter522> madsage: humor me
[17:48:57] <madsage_> kk
[17:48:58] <jeeter522> cd /etc/postfix
[17:49:04] <jeeter522> touch relay_recipients.proto
[17:49:08] <jeeter522> vi relay_recipients.proto
[17:49:24] <jeeter522> anyuser at thatsvalidatyourexchangebox dot com   OK
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[17:49:30] <jeeter522> save/exit
[17:49:40] <jeeter522> postmap /etc/postfix/relay_recipients.proto
[17:49:48] <jeeter522> postfix reload
[17:49:55] <jeeter522> and then try to send email to THAT user
[17:50:04] <mordaunt> f3ew heh yea but it messes up spf
[17:50:06] <madsage_> ok
[17:50:14] <mordaunt> forwarding without changing the from
[17:50:26] <jeeter522> i dont know what hes got going on here
[17:50:54] <jeeter522> you have bayes filters?? or clamav or something
[17:51:07] <madsage_> jeet, point the recipient table to this file from main.cf?
[17:51:12] <madsage_> yes i have al that
[17:51:14] <seekwill> One of these days I'm going to need to learn Postfix... :/
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[17:51:31] <madsage_> all
[17:52:45] <jeeter522> relay_recipients_maps = hash:/path/to/postfix/relay_recipients.proto
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[17:53:10] <jeeter522> and depending upon whats going on in Virtual SMTP server on exchange
[17:53:20] <jeeter522> make sure sasl is running
[17:53:27] <jeeter522> check your smart hosts
[17:53:32] <jeeter522> and authentication
[17:53:48] <jeeter522> now fix my problem :D
[17:53:52] <madsage_> sweeet
[17:53:55] <mrichman> I just setup postfix locally and send myself a test message, but I do not see it in my mailbox. I see this message in my log: "Jul 29 11:51:16 arpeggio postfix/local[23630]: 52FB6550A2C: to=<mrichman at dev dot markrichman.com>, relay=local, delay=28, delays=28/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)"
[17:54:07] <madsage_> i'll get the LDAP working later and replace the map with a query
[17:54:54] <jeeter522> just use a script
[17:55:05] <jeeter522> its simple, do a find/replace and you will be good
[17:55:43] <jeeter522> mrichman: do you have a ~/Maildir ? lol
[17:56:07] <mrichman> yep
[17:56:22] <mrichman> sorry i assumed it was dropped in /var/spool/mail/<username>
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[17:56:33] <mrichman> because i get system generated mail there
[17:56:33] <jeeter522> depends how you are configured
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[17:56:37] <jeeter522> check your conf files
[17:56:42] <jeeter522> thats sendmail
[17:56:48] <mrichman> ooooo
[17:57:04] <jeeter522> what would we do without email fellas?
[17:57:09] <mrichman> can i have both postfix and sendmail share /var/spool/mail/ ?
[17:57:26] <mrichman> i see postfix uses cur,new,tmp and sendmail just has mbox file
[17:57:57] <seekwill> mrichman: Looks like postfix is using Maildir...
[17:58:12] <mrichman> seekwill: yes, thats in the config file
[17:58:27] <seekwill> Why would you run sendmail and postfix at the same time?
[17:58:28] <mrichman> seekwill: so just point my mail reader to ~/Maildir ?
[17:58:42] <mrichman> seekwill: was not intentional
[17:58:52] <seekwill> Oh... I don't know.
[17:58:54] <mrichman> seekwill: i was following a howto on setting up TLS locally
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[18:00:03] <mrichman> seems to work :)
[18:00:34] <mrichman> Is there a way to force postfix to accept TLS connections only?
[18:00:51] <seekwill> Not everyone uses TLS...
[18:01:02] <mrichman> yes i know...this is for a specific test
[18:01:06] <seekwill> oh
[18:01:25] <mrichman> i am setting up a remote IIS 6.0 SMTP server with a remote domain requiring TLS
[18:01:34] <mrichman> using my machine at home as a test remote domain
[18:02:01] <mrichman> right now, looks like dev.markrichman.com is listening on 25/tcp and will accept plain text emails
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[18:03:24] <mrichman> this is my /etc/postfix/main.cf: http://pastie.org/243296
[18:04:07] <mrichman> Do I just set smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes ?
[18:04:19] <madsage_> shit, still doing it
[18:04:25] <madsage_>  Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table
[18:04:53] <madsage_> i'll dbl check syntax
[18:05:51] <mrichman> ahh... smtpd_tls_security_level = encrypt (mandatory TLS)
[18:09:59] <madsage_> jeeter, perhaps i didnt explain my issued well, i can send email fine, relay out..  I cannot recieve any incomming email,  Sender address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table
[18:10:08] <mrichman> How do I know what version of postfix I have installed?
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[18:10:19] <madsage_> postconf
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[18:10:40] <madsage_> type postconf hit enter
[18:11:12] <madsage_> er my bad
[18:11:20] <madsage_> doesnt print version
[18:11:23] <mrichman> mail_version ?
[18:11:29] <mrichman> I see 2.5.1
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[18:13:36] <madsage_> ahh okay, yeah i thought i seen version in postconf
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[18:13:56] <madsage_> ok.. i'm freaking out now
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[18:14:08] <madsage_> CEO is pissed, i'm still bouncing his emails, lol
[18:14:16] <madsage_> this is NOT working
[18:14:59] <madsage_> i created a map,  built the hash db, restarted. and sent email to user I added in map
[18:15:14] <madsage_> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[18:15:50] <madsage_> oh wait
[18:16:00] <madsage_> jeeter had me build relay table,
[18:16:39] <madsage_> i think we need recipient table, jeet.  lol
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[18:17:11] <madsage_> assuming relay and  recipient table are two diff things
[18:17:16] <madsage_> sheez i should have stuck to sendmail
[18:18:00] <Dominian> !basic
[18:18:01] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:18:02] <Dominian> !virtual
[18:18:02] <knoba> Dominian: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[18:18:11] <Dominian> !relay
[18:18:12] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[18:18:14] <Dominian> bah
[18:18:24] <madsage_> !recipient
[18:18:24] <knoba> madsage_: Error: "recipient" is not a valid command.
[18:18:33] <Dominian> !transport
[18:18:34] <knoba> Dominian: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[18:18:47] <madsage_> !table
[18:18:48] <knoba> madsage_: Error: "table" is not a valid command.
[18:19:38] <mrichman> How can I tell postfix to listen on all IPs, not just 127.0.1.1 ?
[18:20:59] <cpm> !basic
[18:21:00] <knoba> cpm: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:21:51] <mrichman> thank you
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[18:23:14] <madsage_> thanks, that will help. this was sposed to work out of the box, spam vigalante. without too much reconfiguration or postfix knowlege. i could have built my own sendmail filer from source by now. lol
[18:23:47] <madsage_> been using sendmail for 12yrs now
[18:23:57] <madsage_> sendmail and qmail
[18:24:47] <cpm> when migrating from sendmail to postfix, first, forget that you thought that you knew anything. Start at postfix.org, and begin.
[18:25:26] <cpm> madsage_, also a ~12 yr sendmail veteran. The learning curve for me +postfix was very steep, until I just accepted that I didn't know anything.
[18:25:27] <cpm> :)
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[18:26:17] <madsage_> i guess i should have done more research before deployment. no worries. i'm thinking i'll stick to what works for me. come back to postfix later. i do belive it is far more configurable. but i need to know what i'm doing better.  i just need it to stop rejection on unknown recipient for now. maybe
[18:26:39] <madsage_> cpm, yeah i admit. i dont know this. =]
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[18:26:52] <cpm> why  would you stop rejecting on unknown recipient? You should reject on unknown recipient
[18:26:53] <madsage_> well enough to have deployed it
[18:27:38] <madsage_> cpm, yes i agree it should. but until i can figure that out, get it to auth via LDAP and my active directory, i'm bouncing email.
[18:28:04] <cpm> you moved an untested smtp box into production?
[18:28:06] <madsage_> surely there is a simple solution to stop bouncing emails?
[18:28:29] <cpm> you are not bouncing, you are rejecting. (I hope) That's wholly different
[18:28:55] <madsage_> were a small company, i dont think anybody even knows yet, that i've bounced some emails. otehr than i told my CEO. my spam filter is not working right yet.
[18:29:07] <cpm> bounced or rejected?
[18:29:10] <madsage_> yes rejecting
[18:29:16] <madsage_> rejecting
[18:29:29] <madsage_> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[18:30:44] <cpm> I spent 4 months with various virtual postfix implementations, before I cut over from the old sendmail box. I think you've got some homework to do.
[18:31:23] <madsage_> yep, i just redirected my smtp port back to the exchange server for now
[18:31:32] <cpm> cool
[18:31:41] <seekwill> Didn't I say to do that a while ago :P
[18:32:02] <mrichman> I have inet_interfaces=all and proxy_interfaces = my.public.ip.address but I still cant connect to 25/tcp from outside...any ideas?
[18:32:10] <madsage_> back to teh drawing board, i only rejected spam mostly anyways. heh
[18:32:23] <seekwill> madsage_: If you were a small company, I'd suggest going with an outside provider for that sort of thing
[18:32:35] <cpm> quite so.
[18:32:36] <madsage_> seek, no control man.
[18:32:41] * cpm still wants to do that.
[18:32:46] <seekwill> madsage_: No control?
[18:32:58] <madsage_> yes no control over the filter, or little
[18:32:58] <cpm> who wants control? holy cow
[18:33:10] <seekwill> madsage_: You mean, you won't have control?
[18:33:16] <madsage_> yes ofcourse
[18:33:18] <madsage_> heh
[18:33:21] <seekwill> Why would you want control?
[18:33:26] <madsage_> i guess i'm a glutton for punishment
[18:33:30] <seekwill> You can't even get your mailserver up :P
[18:33:38] <madsage_> email server is fine
[18:33:44] <seekwill> relay
[18:34:01] <seekwill> What would you... control?
[18:34:16] <Dominian> spammer at 12 o'clock!
[18:34:19] * Dominian gets out the gun
[18:34:51] <madsage_> retrieval of false positives and things like this. while i know some of the providers have some nifty panels for such things
[18:35:25] <madsage_> i need more *nix boxes anyways
[18:35:28] <seekwill> madsage_: Message Labs is probably one of the largest, and best, providers of this type of service
[18:35:38] <seekwill> I wonder if they do outgoing mail as well..
[18:36:21] <xpoint> seekwill, why do you care ?
[18:36:40] <seekwill> Because it would be a complete solution
[18:36:56] <xpoint> seekwill, to what problem ?
[18:37:00] <seekwill> Outgoing mail
[18:37:26] <cpm> yes, fully applied SEP field. That's a win
[18:37:27] <xpoint> will fix recipients denied emails ?
[18:37:39] <cpm> xpoint, will fix the BLAME
[18:37:46] <seekwill> SEP?
[18:37:53] <cpm> Someone Else's Problem
[18:37:57] <seekwill> heh
[18:37:59] <xpoint> SEP vs SPF
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[18:39:25] * xpoint disables spam test on outgoing mails in the hope some blacklist my ip, more fun to control it self since i am clueless :)
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[18:40:31] <mrichman> Damn Bellsouth bastards block 25/tcp ... how do I set this up to listen on an alternate port?
[18:41:16] <xpoint> mrichman, there is a reason thay do block 25, no ?
[18:41:32] <mrichman> xpoint: common with ISPs
[18:41:52] <mrichman> I guess 587/tcp is a well-known alternate?
[18:41:58] <xpoint> mrichman, my isp is okay with it
[18:42:07] <seekwill> mrichman: It's not an "alternate"
[18:44:08] <xpoint> mrichman, your isp forbids you to use the ip to have a smtp listen server, so if you need to have one ask isp to give you a ip that is first of all static assigned, and there tos allow to run a email server on this ip, else ask them about backup mx
[18:45:01] <mrichman> xpoint: well i have a static IP and can control my MX record...they wont unblock 25/tcp for me since they assume any use of 25/tcp is for spamming
[18:45:20] <mrichman> xpoint: can I configure an alternate port in an MX record? dont think so
[18:45:38] <xpoint> backup mx
[18:45:47] <seekwill> mrichman: Incoming 25 for spamming?
[18:45:50] <xpoint> isp or other
[18:46:01] <seekwill> Or they are blocking outgoing 25?
[18:46:06] <mrichman> both
[18:46:22] <xpoint> clueless isp :-)
[18:46:29] <mrichman> unless you use mail.bellsouth.net of course
[18:46:40] <xpoint> mrichman, ask how to send mail then
[18:46:59] <mrichman> no - they want all 25/tcp traffic to go through their server only
[18:47:15] <xpoint> postconf -e 'relayhost=mail.bellsouth.net'
[18:47:30] <seekwill> mrichman: So do that
[18:47:41] <mrichman> xpoint: right, but that wont fix the incoming connection issue, which is all i care about
[18:47:56] <xpoint> mrichman, backup mx
[18:48:16] <mrichman> not sure if i'm explaining this properly
[18:48:16] <seekwill> mrichman: Dyndns offers a mailhop service that can help with that
[18:48:25] <xpoint> where the backup mx do port forwarding
[18:48:41] <mrichman> oh
[18:48:55] <mrichman> cuz i was about to say DNS records dont specify ports
[18:49:23] <xpoint> mrichman, and yes dyndns have domain port forwarding
[18:49:49] <xpoint> mrichman, change port on dns is not needed
[18:49:54] <mrichman> ok....so assuming i get that set up, how do I get postfix to listen on something other than 25/tcp ?
[18:50:19] <xpoint> mrichman, in master.cf
[18:50:28] <Trengo> buy a static IP?
[18:50:35] <mrichman> Trengo: i have one
[18:50:42] <Trengo> and they block 25?
[18:50:44] <mrichman> YES
[18:50:45] <Trengo> on a static?
[18:50:47] <mrichman> Bellsouth
[18:50:49] <mrichman> YES
[18:50:51] <Trengo> change providers
[18:50:52] <mrichman> lol
[18:51:08] <Trengo> ;)
[18:51:28] <xpoint> Trengo, yes clueless isps
[18:51:40] <seekwill> I wouldn't call them clueless..
[18:51:46] <mrichman> paranoid
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[18:52:04] <seekwill> They have to enforce those kinds of things because of clueless users :)
[18:52:06] <Trengo> xpoint thats beyond clueless, how they going to sell static IPs to businesses?
[18:52:09] <xpoint> seekwill, well its about there bussiness olso :)
[18:52:14] <seekwill> And people who aren't clueless gets hurt
[18:52:23] <mrichman> i am going to call them and see what they can do for me
[18:52:29] <seekwill> atta boy!
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[18:52:37] <xpoint> Trengo, what if thay dont ?
[18:52:51] <Trengo> its not a matter of "cluelessness"
[18:52:54] <mrichman> clearly, if i start spamming, they'll know where its coming from ;)
[18:52:55] <Trengo> they dont sell
[18:53:15] <Trengo> mrichman thats outgoing but incoming scares me
[18:53:32] <Trengo> means a shop can't handle their own email
[18:53:38] <cpm> Trengo, buy a business account, and port 25 isn't blocked.
[18:53:52] <Trengo> cpm thats not what mrichman says
[18:54:01] <cpm> what's the IP address?
[18:54:05] <cpm> I'll find out right now.
[18:54:24] <Trengo> mrichman whats the IP address?
[18:54:30] <madsage_> how can they block outgoing port 25, what do they expect you to use? lol
[18:54:53] <mrichman> they expect me to use mail.bellsouth.net
[18:54:53] <cpm> madsage_, they expect you to use the upstream MTA to relay
[18:54:57] <cpm> exactly
[18:55:02] <madsage_> or maybe they are blocking all except ISP smtp port 25
[18:55:04] <mrichman> but in my case, i only need inbound smtp for my scenario
[18:55:11] <cpm> uh huh
[18:55:13] <xpoint> madsage_, mail.bellsouth.net is not blocked
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[18:55:24] <madsage_> got it
[18:56:11] <mrichman> yeah i'm just testing mandatory TLS from a windows server on a remote network, and because windows sucks, i can only do this easily on my linux box at home and set it up on the windows server as a remote domain
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[18:57:02] <seekwill> Using mail.bellsouth.net as a relay is a good idea actually
[18:57:40] <altaichbrauchhil> hi, does somebody wants to help me with postfix, I'm noob with postfix but i want my own smtp-server
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[18:58:38] <xpoint> altaichbrauchhil, no you did not ask a question, so none can help you :-)
[18:59:05] <cpm> !tell altaichbrauchhil basic
[18:59:41] <xpoint> altaichbrauchhil, type !basic in irc in you end
[19:02:05] * mrichman is on hold with bellsouth...she can actually spell SMTP ;)
[19:02:31] <cpm> what's the IP?
[19:02:51] <xpoint> mrichman, does it help you know both smtp and smtpd ? :)
[19:03:07] <pickcoder> bellsouth doesn't block incoming port 25 in my area
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[19:03:16] <pickcoder> bellsouth == AT&T
[19:03:23] <cpm> on residential?
[19:03:28] <pickcoder> yup
[19:03:33] <cpm> they will
[19:03:36] <pickcoder> I have the 6MB DSL
[19:03:46] * cpm sighs
[19:03:49] <pickcoder> I had to shut postfix down on my box
[19:03:53] <cpm> heh
[19:03:56] <cpm> I'll bet
[19:03:56] <pickcoder> it was getting nailed with spammers
[19:04:05] <mrichman> they wont do it for residential
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[19:05:03] <pickcoder> I imagine SMTPS is blocked
[19:05:30] <mrichman> fuckers
[19:05:35] <mrichman> want to upsell me to a business account
[19:05:48] <cpm> just oursource it, and be done.
[19:05:50] <pickcoder> you can thank marketing agencies for that
[19:05:57] <seekwill> You are using this for a business right?
[19:06:17] <mrichman> yes, but just for a day or two so i can test TLS
[19:06:30] <seekwill> Why?
[19:06:44] * cpm has business class service at the house.
[19:06:53] * seekwill has a VPS account
[19:06:56] <pickcoder> they won't sell me business class @home
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[19:07:06] <mrichman> i'll have to set this all up again on my VPS
[19:07:13] <pickcoder> that's wierd
[19:07:14] <cpm> pickcoder, why not?
[19:07:23] <seekwill> They don't want your money
[19:07:25] <pickcoder> (you're a residential service)
[19:07:27] <mrichman> what was that dyndns workaround someone mentioned?
[19:07:34] <seekwill> dyndns.org
[19:07:36] <pickcoder> I'm betting their network is already overloaded
[19:07:39] <cpm> pickcoder, you are a network consultant. you need it.
[19:08:17] <pickcoder> apparently, they refuse to offer business-class in my neighborhood
[19:08:22] <cpm> business class allows you a cidr, and swip so you can run your own dns/smtp blah blah. Worth it.
[19:08:39] <pickcoder> my mechainc has a garage at the end of the street and they won't sell him b-class either
[19:08:45] <cpm> well, with 6mb, you can get a vps somewhere. That's reasonable.
[19:09:05] <cpm> probably for less than what you would pay for the upsold business class anyway
[19:09:33] * pickcoder is waiting for his wireless ISP to shoot a new signal over his house
[19:09:44] <cpm> why?
[19:09:47] <pickcoder> he's supposed to be getting an OC3 hook from AT&T
[19:09:51] <pickcoder> 54MB link
[19:09:56] <pickcoder> to that
[19:09:57] <cpm> you think their backbone is faster than what you have already?
[19:10:15] <pickcoder> it's a main fiber run that goes down I-40
[19:10:21] <cpm> nice
[19:10:24] <cpm> well, maybe.
[19:10:32] <pickcoder> yeah.. if someone doesn't cut it
[19:10:45] <seekwill> I want to get business class fios....
[19:10:54] <cpm> does it exist?
[19:10:56] <seekwill> But they don't have fios to the apartments yet
[19:11:01] <seekwill> yeah. $100/month
[19:11:07] <seekwill> static ip
[19:11:19] <cpm> cir?
[19:11:23] <seekwill> No idea
[19:11:26] <seekwill> Kinda doubt it
[19:11:27] <pickcoder> we're at the end of a non-loop segment, so redundancy is really horrid
[19:11:29] <cpm> who cares.
[19:11:30] <cpm> :)
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[19:14:05] * pickcoder will set up an antenna and then 2 months later have to move to another state
[19:14:27] <mrichman> i cant believe bellsouth blocks 587/tcp too!
[19:14:46] <seekwill> That's hard to believe?
[19:14:51] <pickcoder> Comcast is getting spanked by the FCC for throttling P2P
[19:15:00] * pickcoder wonders who's side the FCC is on
[19:15:11] <mrichman> i'll have to try 8025/tcp
[19:15:43] <seekwill> pickcoder: Eh... I wonder if it's one of those precedence rulings
[19:15:48] <mrichman> my friend runs a hosted exchange business and is trying to set up a relay to my box at home for my domain ;)
[19:16:17] <pickcoder> seekwill: not sure.. I saw the tidbits on \. but didn't read the entire article
[19:16:20] <seekwill> That shouldn't be too difficult
[19:16:25] <seekwill> pickcoder: ugh
[19:16:46] <mrichman> dammit...that wont work....relay != proxy
[19:16:55] <seekwill> Huh?
[19:17:59] <mrichman> i will have to set up a public proxy ... 25/tcp on my VPS to 8025/tcp on my box at home
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[19:18:28] <pickcoder> mrichman: why not just set up Postfix on the public "proxy"
[19:18:47] <mrichman> pickcoder: because i'm not as smart as you....thanks!
[19:18:50] <mrichman> lol
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[19:21:04] <seekwill> You have a VPS?
[19:22:01] <pickcoder> seekwill: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/internet_regulation
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[19:22:13] <pickcoder> it was a violation of their own "open use" policy
[19:22:28] <seekwill> ah
[19:23:33] <seekwill> Well, I'm all for p2p throttles... I don't use it, and want my legit traffic to go through faster :)
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[19:23:58] <pickcoder> supposedly port blocking is against the FCC policy too
[19:24:07] <seekwill> Yeah, I was about to mention that
[19:24:19] <pickcoder> unless you signed a use agreement when you subscribed
[19:24:21] <pickcoder> :)
[19:24:56] * pickcoder notes that Usenet is still alive too
[19:25:06] * pickcoder wonders how long it will stay
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[19:29:53] <jeeter522> Got a little problem guys, would appreciate any help - I was running postfix solely on a box as a front end MTA and having it fwd over to an exchange server (using relay_recipients + transport), what I would like to do now is also accept mail using Dovecot POP3 on the same box postfix is on, is this possible? from what I gather postfix still trys to send my mail off to exchange, and not keep it local :| any ideas??
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[19:37:10] <gonewestcoast_> jeeter522: Yeah, look up split-domain. :)
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[19:37:26] <cpm> look up split personality while you're at it too.
[19:38:21] <GoneWestCoast> In other words, what you can do is have relay_recipients also be a transport map that lists the Exchange server for non-local users.
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[19:39:57] <comforteagle> anyone know how I can reconfigure postfix on centos so I can reinstall from the package & go through the config script again?
[19:39:59] <jeeter522> well, the whole reason i put postfix in was to secure exchange, but now the exchange server is crapping the bed, so i need to move everyone to pop3/imap on the postfix box pronto
[19:40:33] <jeeter522> so the source of everyones email box is on the exchange server, and i have a relay_recipient and a transport to point to my exchange box, and filter all valid addys
[19:41:28] <jeeter522> but say i switch port 110 to my linux server, and try to send a test email, i bounce back w. the 5.1.1
[19:43:15] <jeeter522> gonewestcoast : so my situation is kinda reversed, you know what i mean ?
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[19:45:17] <GoneWestCoast> Sure, the Postfix box doesn't realize that those accounts exist locally.
[19:45:28] <GoneWestCoast> It just views them as relay recipients (read as: recipients to relay). :)
[19:46:04] <olinux> in the  event of a hard bounce is it common practice for a mail server to attempt delivery again? (i.e. perhaps the receiving mail server was temporary offline)
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[19:46:28] <GoneWestCoast> olinux: Only if they're misconfigured.
[19:46:33] <GoneWestCoast> If they have soft-bounce turned on, sure.
[19:49:00] <jeeter522> GoneWestCoast : im not so sure I follow? I thought relay_recipients was intended for email addresses only, not servers?? how is this done? i couldnt find any good doc on split domain
[19:49:17] <morbusg> How does one define hosts which are allowed to send mail to my system when I'm getting mail via my ISP's relayhost. check helo_access and client_access seem to be no-go.
[19:50:01] <GoneWestCoast> jeeter522: The way you've set this up is, those addresses exist, but they exist on the Exchange box.  The postfix MTA isn't aware that you've added those boxes locally.
[19:50:45] <jeeter522> correct, is there a way to have both? only because these local boxes are temporary
[19:52:13] <jeeter522> probably not
[19:52:15] <jeeter522> thats an oxy moron
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[19:54:12] <ams> can one get postfix to use ldap to figure where to deliver mail?
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[19:56:42] <Led-Hed> I currently have postfix setup using virtual users stored in mysql.  I need a vacation/autoresponder, any recomendations?
[19:57:36] <ams> Led-Hed: grawl
[19:57:59] * Led-Hed googles 'grawl'
[19:58:11] <ams> Led-Hed: sorry, gnarwl - Email autoresponder based on LDAP
[19:58:29] <ams> you could prolly hack it to use mysql =)
[19:58:40] <ams> cpm why do you run?
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[20:00:26] <Led-Hed> I tried using the vacation.pl from the PostfixAdmin project but I get some strange reults
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[20:01:44] <GoneWestCoast> ams: Yes, you can.
[20:01:59] <GoneWestCoast> ams: http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html
[20:02:33] <GoneWestCoast> am: Oh, wait.  Actual delivery location?
[20:02:52] <ams> yes
[20:03:06] <GoneWestCoast> ams: Google does something similar.  They broke LDAP internally to user a variety of endpoint servers (running Cyrus).
[20:03:20] <GoneWestCoast> ams: So you have a username, a domain, and a server within the schema.
[20:03:35] <GoneWestCoast> Is that what you're trying to do, or do you mean something else by "location?"
[20:04:03] <ams> i mean the mail spool directory location
[20:04:33] <ams> or, wait
[20:04:35] <ams> that is stupid
[20:04:42] <ams> thanks, that was a stupid idea
[20:04:58] <GoneWestCoast> ams: Stupid or not, it's possible.  Just have the assignment be the result of an LDAP query.
[20:05:09] <GoneWestCoast> It MAY have to change on a "per server" basis though, I don't think that can be set per user.
[20:05:37] <jeeter522> GoneWestCoast : i am completely stuck here, anything you can recommend me doing to fix this issue without completely breaking the link between postfix/exchange ?
[20:05:58] <GoneWestCoast> jeeter522: How many users?
[20:06:04] <jeeter522> about 40
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[20:06:21] <GoneWestCoast> Okay, either you're going to be scripting or typing a lot. :)
[20:06:31] <GoneWestCoast> Build the users locally on the gateway box.
[20:06:39] <GoneWestCoast> For right now, pretend Exchange isn't there.
[20:06:42] <jeeter522> ok
[20:07:09] <GoneWestCoast> When it is, give each user a .forward file in their home directory, set to deliver either to the Exchange server, or to deliver to both the exchange server as well as locally.
[20:07:42] <GoneWestCoast> I was in an environment where they did this for 80K users.
[20:07:55] <GoneWestCoast> There was PROBABLY a better way to do it, but if you're time critical...
[20:10:14] <ams> shoot the people who wanted a exchange server
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[20:11:04] <GoneWestCoast> ams: I view the exchange portion as irrelevant.
[20:11:19] <GoneWestCoast> We've got an MX server here that's a gateway, instead of Exchange we've got a Zimbra server.
[20:11:25] <GoneWestCoast> I just don't like having my endpoint servers on the edge. :)
[20:11:41] <GoneWestCoast> jeeter522: Be sure you turn on Soft-Bounce before you start changing this stuff.
[20:11:45] <GoneWestCoast> Users get PISSED if you bounce mail. :)
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[20:12:21] <jeeter522> tell me about it
[20:12:45] <jeeter522> so create a hidden fwd file? where w/i ~/Maildir?
[20:12:45] <cpm> well, then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat
[20:13:09] <GoneWestCoast> jeeter522: That depends ENTIRELY on how you have the other stuff figured out.
[20:13:31] <GoneWestCoast> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.aix.files/doc/aixfiles/forward.htm
[20:13:38] <GoneWestCoast> Applies to this situation as well.
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[20:15:21] <mrichman> Yippee! I got mandatory TLS working on my VPS box and can send to it from my crappy IIS SMTP server...screw Bellsouth DSL! :)
[20:18:30] <jeeter522> GoneWest : Ok, so within their mail directory, i create this .forward file, but what goes in it? or where do I define how/when/where/what to forward ??
[20:20:54] <GoneWestCoast> If they're on Exchange?
[20:21:03] <GoneWestCoast> user at exchangeserver dot domain.com
[20:21:15] <GoneWestCoast> Local delivery?  Don't need a forward file.
[20:21:45] <GoneWestCoast> Both?  \username, next line user at exchangeserver dot domain.com
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[20:26:32] <jeeter522> so even if its @domain.com, i NEED to specify user at server dot domain.com , or if the fqdn is .local , ill need to add that ?
[20:26:51] <jeeter522> *user at exchngsvr dot domain.com
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[20:40:00] <cmot> Yodel!
[20:40:32] <cmot> Q: how do I direct all mail for one domain to a command?
[20:40:55] <cmot> ideally with being able to specify the user this command is run as, but I can suid, so that's not a hard requirement.
[20:41:09] <cmot> But I want envelope sender/rcpt to be preserved.
[20:41:54] <GoneWestCoast> jeeter522:  You need to specify user @ host. :-)
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[20:45:06] <cmot> "virtual" doesn't deliver to commands, and the usual solutions of going via an entry in /etc/aliases rewrites the envelope.  Can't I tell virtual to preserve the original envelope?
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[20:47:45] <cmot> (... or use a different delivery agent than virtual?  But I don't really see how.)
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[20:49:54] <Led-Hed> right now I have vacation.pl setup, and I'm now getting SPAM sent to user at autoreply dot mydomain.tld.  I would like to drop or reject mail on the autoreply.domain.tld addresses. How might I go about this?
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[21:02:31] <z00md0r> hi, where do i erease forwards?
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[21:43:16] <Silowyi> Is there a way to set up postfix so that email FROM mynetworks or email FROM a specific e-mail address gets forwarded to a different server?
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[22:01:47] <pickcoder> !transport
[22:01:47] <knoba> pickcoder: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
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[22:03:12] <pickcoder> that will work for "To:"
[22:03:32] <pickcoder> not sure how to handle "from:" transport
[22:04:30] <pickcoder> Silowyi: you can always use iptables to forward port 25 to another machine based on cidr
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[22:05:58] <lunaphyte_> i think cidr only works on apples.
[22:06:26] <pickcoder> Dicken's Cider?
[22:07:18] <tuxick> strongbox
[22:07:22] <tuxick> bow
[22:07:29] * pickcoder is still fussing with HylaFax+
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[22:07:43] * pickcoder beats 'notify' with a rib of celery
[22:08:04] <lunaphyte_> with or without peanut butter?
[22:08:56] <morbusg> I'd like to reject all mail except from hosts I manually specify. I have to use my ISP's relayhost. How can this be  accomplished?
[22:09:01] <pickcoder> a bit too nutty
[22:09:12] <madsage> hrmm weird, postfix 2.3.8 fixed my problems i was having this morning
[22:10:23] <pickcoder> morbusg: iptables?
[22:10:31] <madsage> somthing was differnt in the way 2.2.9 was handling the recipients
[22:10:39] <madsage> is^
[22:10:44] <pickcoder> I wouldn't even tell them you have SMTP if you don't want to talk
[22:11:11] <morbusg> pickcoder: I wouldn't want to do it with firewall
[22:11:23] <pickcoder> why not?
[22:11:42] <morbusg> too much hassle with my lan config
[22:11:47] <pickcoder> how so?
[22:12:11] <morbusg> behind a nat:ting adsl-box for starters
[22:13:07] <pickcoder> what does that have to do with incoming packets?
[22:13:13] <pickcoder> as far as source
[22:13:30] <pickcoder> meh
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[22:24:47] <pingouin> higuita: i have the answer, if you remember, for the error on sending a 'big' (19 MO) file in a mail
[22:25:03] <z00md0r> hi, where do i erease forwards?
[22:25:26] <pingouin> higuita: message_size_limit was the parameter to change
[22:26:01] <pingouin> higuita: the default is 10240000
[22:26:28] <pingouin> i change it, to 20971520 (20mo) now the mail goes out without any troubles
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[22:31:04] <adaptr> z00md0r: what are "forwards" ?
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[22:46:19] <Silowyi> If I forward all messages from A to B then B sends them to the web, where is the final destination for bounces?
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[22:55:37] <adaptr> Silowyi: again, what are "forwards" ?
[22:55:49] <adaptr> please note that "forward" has nothing to do with "relay"
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[22:56:00] <adaptr> one is a client mailbox function, the other is an internal MTA action
[22:56:36] <seekwill> You send mail to the web?
[22:56:44] <seekwill> over http?
[22:57:08] <adaptr> teh interwebtubeseries
[22:57:12] <adaptr> of tubes
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[22:57:34] <Silowyi> relay
[22:58:04] <FluxboXtremist> hi, how can i change if there quota or not for mailboxes
[22:58:06] <adaptr> yes, rly
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[22:58:18] <adaptr> FluxboXtremist: on your filesystem
[22:58:21] <Dantix> hi, I'm working on a load balanced postfix couple, I need to differenciate when a message was received by one or another server at message header, but because I have just one IP with PTR I need both server identify with the same hostname when they delivers outgoing messages, is it possible?
[22:58:34] <adaptr> Dantix: *why* ?
[22:58:39] <pickcoder> FluxboXtremist: you should probably configure that in the O/S
[22:58:40] <majikman> is it possible to have two domains using domainkeys/dkim being served off the same installation of postfix?
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[22:58:53] <seekwill> Dantix: Yeah. You can do that with firewall tricks
[22:58:53] <adaptr> domainkeys suck
[22:59:04] <seekwill> Domainkeys do not suck
[22:59:27] <adaptr> it's an MS abomination, it cannot but suck!
[22:59:30] <seekwill> Uh
[22:59:41] * seekwill thinks adaptr needs to check his technologies
[22:59:43] <majikman> isn't domainkeys yahoo!?
[22:59:50] * seekwill gives majikman the cookie
[22:59:56] <pickcoder> !domainkeys
[22:59:56] <majikman> senderid is microsoft
[22:59:57] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "domainkeys" is not a valid command.
[22:59:59] <adaptr> hell no, I pay people to do that! :)
[23:00:08] <seekwill> majikman: Bah! He was supposed to name that
[23:00:12] <majikman> oh
[23:00:14] <majikman> sorry
[23:00:16] <adaptr> well, when I say "I", of course I mean I get my beanmonkeys to pay
[23:00:28] <Dantix> adaptr: because I need to track the path messages takes and I have only one IP PTR..
[23:00:29] <FluxboXtremist> pickcoder, but when i did setup postfix, i dint tell it nothing about quotas, but one of my users fillup his mailbox and canot recieve mails anymore
[23:00:48] <adaptr> Dantix: your firewall can tag since it knows to distribute to the internal IPs
[23:00:50] <Dantix> seekwill: I have not a smart firewall :'(
[23:01:07] <adaptr> FluxboXtremist: do you have filesystem quotas ?
[23:01:14] <adaptr> a mailbox does not "fill up"
[23:01:29] <seekwill> Dantix: s2bu
[23:01:30] <pickcoder> !maillbox_size_limit
[23:01:31] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "maillbox_size_limit" is not a valid command.
[23:01:41] <FluxboXtremist> mmm
[23:01:44] * pickcoder smacks knoba
[23:01:59] <FluxboXtremist> the default is 10240000
[23:02:11] <pickcoder> no it's not
[23:02:21] <FluxboXtremist> oh
[23:02:30] <seekwill> Dantix: There are two things you need to "watch out" for. The HELO/EHLO banner the MTA provides, and the IP address it uses to connect. If you had both MTAs behind a NAT, it would work
[23:02:31] <FluxboXtremist> thats message_size_limit
[23:02:38] <FluxboXtremist> sorry
[23:02:46] <pickcoder> set it to 0 if you don't want a limit
[23:02:50] <seekwill> Dantix: Though, having the same EHLO would suck if you needed to debug
[23:03:10] <FluxboXtremist> cool
[23:03:10] <FluxboXtremist> let me try
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[23:03:24] <majikman> is it possible to setup dk/dkim so that each domain being served uses a different pub key?
[23:03:26] <pickcoder> default: 51200000
[23:03:40] <pickcoder> 51.2MB if I count decimals correctly
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[23:04:01] <pickcoder> now-a-days there should an extra 0 on the end
[23:04:36] <FluxboXtremist> yes 51.2
[23:04:42] <FluxboXtremist> i already change it to 0
[23:04:59] <pickcoder> restart postfix?
[23:05:00] <FluxboXtremist> lets try :)
[23:05:36] <FluxboXtremist> yup
[23:05:37] <FluxboXtremist> hey
[23:05:44] <seekwill> At least three times... service postfix restart; service postfix restart; service postfix restart;
[23:05:56] <FluxboXtremist> but squirrelmail its telling about max attach size
[23:06:01] <FluxboXtremist> it says 128 M
[23:06:23] <FluxboXtremist> i will change it on php.ini too
[23:06:56] <pickcoder> 128MB attachment?
[23:06:59] <pickcoder> eek
[23:07:02] <seekwill> lol
[23:07:11] * pickcoder pats Postfix on the back
[23:07:17] * seekwill bans FluxboXtremist from his server
[23:07:26] <FluxboXtremist> its the memory limit
[23:07:39] <FluxboXtremist> :D
[23:07:41] <FluxboXtremist> on php.ini
[23:07:42] <Dantix> seekwill: agree, with different helo-ehlo banner I will can track the messages path, both boxes are behind NAT, so both doing the outgoing connection using one public IP address, but both still indentify itself with differents names, so the when destination server will check for PTR will fail in one on them
[23:08:10] <seekwill> Dantix: You should be able to check how they identify themselves
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[23:08:16] <seekwill> err.. change
[23:08:20] <pickcoder> FluxboXtremist: don't go bonkers with extending PHP default limits if it's a public service
[23:09:03] <FluxboXtremist> not its not
[23:09:09] <FluxboXtremist> just for internal service at work
[23:09:18] <pickcoder> poor Apache...
[23:09:29] <pickcoder> heh
[23:10:10] <GoneWestCoast> Gah, did jeeter522 get his issue solved?  When the earthquake hits and the fireman says "Get the heck out!" you don't stick around on IRC to see things through. :-p
[23:10:27] <pickcoder> GoneWestCoast: you get that too?
[23:10:30] <Dantix> seekwill: what should be the parameter postfix uses to identify with?
[23:10:43] <seekwill> Dantix: I don't know :)
[23:10:47] <Dantix> seekwill: besides myorigin
[23:10:50] <pickcoder> one of our vendors had to cut a call quick when it hit
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[23:11:01] <GoneWestCoast> pickcoder: Yeah, in I'm the San Fernando Valley.
[23:11:03] <seekwill> I'm sure it says in the config what it uses for the helo
[23:11:03] <FluxboXtremist> pickcoder, haha
[23:11:10] <FluxboXtremist> i have to change squid too
[23:11:11] <FluxboXtremist> xD
[23:11:17] <FluxboXtremist> wow so mad
[23:11:17] <FluxboXtremist> :D
[23:11:28] <FluxboXtremist> i have to go homw cya
[23:11:29] <pickcoder> FluxboXtremist: SCP is easier
[23:11:32] <Dantix> seekwill: thanks
[23:11:49] <FluxboXtremist> uh?
[23:12:05] <pickcoder> n/m
[23:12:09] <FluxboXtremist> :(
[23:12:18] <pickcoder> you don't have public access
[23:12:18] <FluxboXtremist> cya tomorrow guys
[23:12:27] <seekwill> What about the girls?
[23:12:31] <FluxboXtremist> its for the ppl here
[23:12:41] <FluxboXtremist> all of those win users
[23:12:43] <FluxboXtremist> meh
[23:12:45] <FluxboXtremist> :(
[23:13:02] <FluxboXtremist> bye
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[23:15:24] <XSlicer> Hey, Ive had this problem with "do not list domain in both mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains", which I fixed, only I read through my logs and it seems I received a few mails. Is there any way of retreiving those?
[23:16:38] <pickcoder> XSlicer: they should have been delivered then
[23:16:53] <XSlicer> They werent, sadly.
[23:17:32] <pickcoder> were they rejected?
[23:18:45] <XSlicer> No, only postfix/qmgr[40486]: 05D265CDB: removed
[23:18:54] <XSlicer> Like normal
[23:20:54] <seekwill> Why can't people ask cooler questions
[23:21:41] <pickcoder> XSlicer: if it wasn't rejected.. and it was transported to another hop
[23:21:51] <pickcoder> then either the policy_content monster ate it
[23:22:02] <pickcoder> or your virtuals put it in the wrong place and you can't find it?
[23:22:11] <pickcoder> meh
[23:22:17] * pickcoder needs to go home
[23:22:19] <adaptr> seekwill: why doesn't the postfix config accept direct perl statements ?
[23:22:24] <pickcoder> content_filter
[23:22:27] <adaptr> I need a new swiss army knife
[23:22:29] <XSlicer> Nah, it all works now, only during that error it seems it didnt deliver..
[23:22:43] <seekwill> adaptr: Becuse uh...
[23:22:45] <pickcoder> adaptr: we sell Leatherman & Gerber
[23:22:49] <pickcoder> ;)
[23:22:54] * sysmonk loans adaptr his knife
[23:22:55] <XSlicer> Unless it didnt deliver to my virtual
[23:22:57] * seekwill has a Gerber
[23:23:23] <adaptr> me too, but I meant inside postfix
[23:23:26] <adaptr> hence perl
[23:23:40] <adaptr> YOU wanted cool questions
[23:23:48] <adaptr> and this one is at least marginally hard to answer
[23:24:00] <pickcoder> a Perl hook would slow it down IMO
[23:24:15] <adaptr> who cares ? hardware is free
[23:24:26] <pickcoder> not as much as Amavis+SA+clamAV
[23:24:28] <pickcoder> heh
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[23:24:56] <pickcoder> adaptr: hardware is free, if you've got a corporate Amex and no budget
[23:25:27] <sysmonk> adaptr: is it? :P
[23:25:54] <adaptr> compared to setup, maintenance and software costs, hardware is irrelevant these days
[23:26:15] <adaptr> for any remotely commercial application, anyway :)
[23:26:16] <sysmonk> tell that to my employer ;/
[23:26:33] <seekwill> Who is your employer?
[23:27:11] <sysmonk> seekwill: teh one which pays less for work than for hardware / setup / anything else :P
[23:27:16] <seekwill> oh
[23:27:50] <Dantix> seekwill: I found a way to differentiate the path incoming mails takes. I'm using amavis running on localhost:10025. Locahost is differente for each of my boxes, so amavis put it register on the message header with the hostname, let me track the mail path  :D and I maintain myorigin the same on both server ...
[23:28:03] <seekwill> ah ok
[23:28:09] <seekwill> Nice!
[23:28:27] <Dantix> seekwill: yep, thanks
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[23:30:17] <loadkast> I need help setting up post fix from start to finished
[23:30:38] <adaptr> loadkast: how much will you be paying ?
[23:30:48] <XSlicer> But pickcoder: Because they aint delivered = bad luck?
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[23:31:06] <rob0> You sounds like a good candidate for a HOWTO and the documentation.
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[23:31:48] <adaptr> everybody sounds like a good candidate for the documentation to you, rob0
[23:32:00] <adaptr> !rob0
[23:32:00] <knoba> adaptr: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[23:32:00] <loadkast> Free Dollars and 10 cent .... Bro ...
[23:32:15] <loadkast> 8-)
[23:32:34] <adaptr> you wear glasses ? that'll be free fitty, then
[23:33:28] <Led-Hed> in my transport_maps I have 'autoreply.domain.tld' in my main.cf I have mydestination = $transport_maps,  I dont want to accept mail when the recipient is @autoreply.domain.tld.  Is there a way to prevent postfix from accepting mail for the autoreply domain?
[23:33:47] <loadkast> Adaptr: I need someone how and walk me through it form start to finished
[23:34:11] <sysmonk> loadkast: how much ya pay?
[23:34:23] <rob0> "mydestination = $transport_maps", ugly!
[23:34:52] <sysmonk> rob0: atleast it's preatier than "mydestination = $my_mum"
[23:34:52] <loadkast> why should i pay ..
[23:34:52] <sysmonk> ;P
[23:34:56] <Led-Hed> rob0, ok.  Thats what the tutorial I followed told me to do.  What is better?
[23:35:05] <sysmonk> loadkast: why should we walk you through from the begining till the end?
[23:35:17] <sysmonk> you've got all the documentations, and we can answer some _specific_ question or give a hint
[23:35:23] <sysmonk> but not _WALK_ through everything
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[23:35:42] <adaptr> we could get thumbs to walk all OVER you
[23:35:44] <rob0> What is better is to list in mydestination what you need in mydestination, and only use transport_maps when you need to override DNS for a given domain.
[23:35:44] <sysmonk> walking through everything is almost the same as teaching, it requires lots of time and effort
[23:35:47] <loadkast> because ... im asking.. you too
[23:35:48] <adaptr> that's no problem
[23:36:02] <rob0> !sweet
[23:36:03] <knoba> rob0: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[23:36:05] <sysmonk> and answering a specific question can be fast, but in no way it'll take that long
[23:36:09] <rob0> loadkast: ^^
[23:36:21] <sysmonk> and if it will, then both helper and you would learn something
[23:36:33] <loadkast> well i can install the app . i need help configuring it
[23:36:54] <rob0> I need cookies
[23:37:06] <loadkast> i can send you some
[23:37:06] <Dantix> hi again, what autoresponder is advisable to use with virtual users stored at mysql database? seems Yaa! isn't active anymore..
[23:38:01] <loadkast> can someone list all the apps i should have install
[23:38:03] <sysmonk> loadkast: 'well, i can buy milk, but youll have to teach me how to bake a pie'
[23:38:14] <pickcoder> loadkast: what O/S
[23:38:24] <loadkast> Fedora
[23:38:29] <sysmonk> pickcoder: you'll have to install it by the way
[23:38:32] <pickcoder> an RPM would be ideal
[23:38:46] <sysmonk> he will only supply hardware and cd's
[23:38:58] <sysmonk> everything else you'll have to walk through
[23:39:01] <pickcoder> sysmonk: I have pretty long arms.. but my sight is going
[23:39:17] <loadkast> LOL
[23:39:28] <al-Quaknaa> Hi, I have one more problem with mailman - it tries to send the mail that arrives to a user instead of a command specified in the aliases file .. it gives me this error
[23:39:33] <al-Quaknaa> Jul 29 23:34:03 mx3 postfix/local[28326]: 3F1E21F4878: to=<|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post pokus at mydomain dot net>, orig_to=<pokus at mydomain dot net>, relay=local, delay=0.04, delays=0.03/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post pokus")
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[23:40:00] <pickcoder> I'm sure there is an RPM available for Fedora
[23:40:19] <loadkast> I just installed them
[23:40:20] <al-Quaknaa> I don't really know which transport should be used for this delivery (if I should modify anything) and why is it not just piping the mail to the command as I would expect it to ...
[23:40:49] <rob0> Al, a wild guess, "postconf allow_mail_to_commands"?
[23:40:49] <sysmonk> pickcoder: yeah, but he'll have to time rpm -i ... that's HARD. so he'll take that on him. you'll only have to configure everything
[23:41:01] <sysmonk> rob0: ye, just wanted to say that too
[23:41:19] <al-Quaknaa> mx3:/etc/postfix# postconf allow_mail_to_commands
[23:41:19] <al-Quaknaa> allow_mail_to_commands = alias, forward
[23:41:39] <sysmonk> al-Quaknaa: and mydomain.net expands from where?
[23:41:39] <loadkast> ok
[23:41:52] <al-Quaknaa> sysmonk, sorry, I don't understand
[23:41:56] <al-Quaknaa> what do you mean?
[23:41:58] <pickcoder> loadkast: there is a decent basic guide to help you configure the existing setup
[23:41:59] * sysmonk /whois'es loadkast and sees #sendmail
[23:42:14] <sysmonk> al-Quaknaa: where do you have pokus at mydomain dot net | /var/lib/mailman... ?
[23:42:38] <rob0> I bet it's in virtual_alias_maps and not in alias_maps as it needs to be.
[23:42:42] <sysmonk> mhm
[23:42:48] <sysmonk> the only real answer to that
[23:42:53] <adaptr> sysmonk: heh, he probably started out there and ran here in disgust/fright/desperation
[23:42:58] <sysmonk> atleast, the one which comes to my mind
[23:43:01] <al-Quaknaa> I have those "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post pokus" lines in /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases whic is mentioned in main.cf in alias_maps
[23:43:04] <loadkast> what is a good tutorial i can read form
[23:43:10] <adaptr> !basic
[23:43:11] <knoba> adaptr: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[23:43:33] <adaptr> although the most important question for you is. alas, not answered there
[23:43:33] <sysmonk> adaptr: nono, he needs an audiobook!
[23:43:47] <adaptr> "what the heck am I dsoing tryig to set up a mail server?"
[23:44:07] <sysmonk> al-Quaknaa: /topic about pastebining
[23:44:36] <al-Quaknaa> was it that big for pastebin?
[23:44:50] <al-Quaknaa> Oh ..
[23:44:53] <pickcoder> loadkast: welcome to #postfix.. where noobs get flogged..
[23:45:06] * rob0 flogs pickcoder
[23:45:18] <pickcoder> I had my share already....
[23:45:24] * rob0 flogs pickcoder again
[23:45:30] <pickcoder> you guys were really mean
[23:45:32] <pickcoder> heh
[23:45:40] <adaptr> no we weren't
[23:45:46] <adaptr> it's called "realism"
[23:45:50] <rob0> We were !sweet
[23:45:53] <sysmonk> we did?
[23:46:00] <sysmonk> let's get that out from teh logs
[23:46:01] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:46:07] <pickcoder> heh
[23:46:22] <adaptr> anybody who come sin and starts by stating that he needs someone to spoonfeed him should expect any treatment he will get
[23:46:33] <adaptr> and it will mostly be deserved
[23:48:13] <loadkast> what is flogged
[23:48:38] * pickcoder points to wikipedia.org  and/or Google
[23:48:39] <rob0> postconf.5.html#flogged
[23:48:40] <sysmonk> a word you can find in dictionary
[23:49:03] <pickcoder> speaking of dictionary.. I'd like to take a poll..
[23:49:04] <adaptr> smtpd_flogging_rate_limit
[23:49:10] <al-Quaknaa> http://pastebin.com/m66fdcaef
[23:49:17] <sysmonk> adaptr: put me in the exceptions
[23:49:26] <adaptr> there are no exceptions!
[23:49:32] <al-Quaknaa> Hope everything necessary is there
[23:49:45] <pickcoder> if I gave you a micrometer that measured length or depth.. you would call it a "depth _____ "
[23:50:43] <rob0> haha I have an idea
[23:50:50] <Led-Hed> rob0, is it ok to not have a mydestination, if you have virtual users?
[23:51:19] <rob0> Al, paste the line from the mailman aliases file here (mung the address if desired)
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[23:51:46] <al-Quaknaa> pokus:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post pokus"
[23:51:53] <Led-Hed> I get an error saying that I shouldnt list my domain in mydestination and in the virtual_mailbox_domains
[23:51:54] <pickcoder> Led-Hed: localhost will never be virtual.
[23:51:57] <sysmonk> rob0: like grep line  | md5 -s ?
[23:51:57] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:52:04] <sysmonk> al-Quaknaa: um, that's all?
[23:52:16] <sysmonk> al-Quaknaa: nothing on the left part?
[23:52:18] <Led-Hed> pickcoder, I dont have any local users.
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[23:52:33] <al-Quaknaa> he said line, not the whole file .. well, that's the whole line, I have the same on a working install and it works ..
[23:52:48] <Juzzy> Is there a way to forward ALL emails (local and remote) to a specific remote mailbox, and not to the original recipient (for a QA and dev enviroment) ??
[23:52:48] <pickcoder> Led-Hed: do you have services that send mail to "root", "uucp" ,etc
[23:52:54] <Led-Hed> ahh
[23:52:56] <rob0> Okay, yeah, I don't get it then. I was guessing maybe the "" were missing.
[23:53:18] <rob0> um, could it have been edited in Windows?
[23:53:24] <al-Quaknaa> No
[23:53:57] <Led-Hed> pickcoder, so it would be ok to have mydesionation = localhost and virtual_mailbox_domains for virtual accounts
[23:54:07] <pickcoder> Led-Hed: sure
[23:54:15] <Led-Hed> ok, will try that.  Thanks
[23:54:24] <adaptr> more usually, you put the machine's FQDN in mydestination
[23:54:29] <adaptr> it will sanitize mail routing
[23:54:43] <al-Quaknaa> Should it work without playing with transports, right?
[23:54:55] * adaptr plays with his transports some
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