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[00:06:38] <julian_> hi guys, i've a little problem with my mailserver configuration. may someone can help me: i followed this tutorial workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/index.html.en and i have now a problem with step 7
[00:07:41] <julian_> i've to test  sending a mail and it works fine, but i can't recive. the directory /home/vmail/domain doesn't exist
[00:08:00] <rob0> Step 7? Wait until you get to Catch 22!
[00:10:33] <rob0> If I was to guess, I'd guess you didn't set the ownership/permissions of /home/vmail/domain correctly.
[00:10:47] <rob0> but no time for that now, afk.
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[00:16:22] <julian_> permissions should be ok. postfix creates the folders by itself?! i didn't find infos about that
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[00:25:10] <tweakism> ok, well, I got it working.
[00:25:28] <tweakism> but how come I need default values for both default_transport and relay_transport?  shouldn't I need just one of them?
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[01:00:18] <bondoer> hi folks, i am dealing with double emails within my content fitler, after the content filter obtain email, it got againt he same email, but only with header(without the envelope) it seems like my filter program sent it back to queue(if i check the "from userid" tag in the postfix logs) but thats everything i can find out. Content filter is my own, but it doesnt reinject the mail into postfix(currently i am testing it, and I wonder what cause this b
[01:00:28] <bondoer> relevant configuration options follows
[01:00:35] <bondoer> main.cf:
[01:00:37] <bondoer> content_filter = filter:dummy
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[01:01:14] <bondoer> master.cf:
[01:01:16] <bondoer> filter unix  -       n       n       -       10      pipe -v user=bondoer argv=/home/bondoer/client.sh
[01:02:00] <bondoer> and client.sh:
[01:02:01] <bondoer> cat >/tmp/test.mail;
[01:02:01] <bondoer> cat /tmp/test.mail|nc -q 1 localhost 1025
[01:02:01] <bondoer> exit 0;
[01:02:08] <bondoer> any ideas??
[01:02:20] <stony> bondoer: for reinjection you need a smtpd where content filtering is disabled
[01:02:41] <sahil> oh no, bondoer again with his content filter that doesn't speak SMTP, but he also doesn't want smtpprox. :)
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[01:03:38] <bondoer> stony: nono :) idont want to reinject it, for now.. i am just testing something and this cause me troubles
[01:03:42] <bondoer> sahil: :)
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[01:05:38] <stony> bondoer: put cat /dev/stdin > /tmp/test.mail
[01:05:44] <stony> bondoer: just to be sure
[01:06:02] <stony> and then reinject the mail via the sendmail command, not via smtp port 1025
[01:06:19] <stony> cat /tmp/test.mail | sendmail $recipient
[01:06:29] <bondoer> stony: on the port 1025 sits my daemon
[01:06:44] <sahil> so choose another re-injection port.  your imagination is the limit.
[01:07:03] <bondoer> I DONT want to reinject ;)
[01:07:06] <bondoer> thats my ;problem
[01:07:29] <stony> so, what's not working then ?
[01:07:32] <bondoer> and the mail is still getting reinject by somebody, but my daemon doesnt reinject it, and that script either
[01:08:05] <bondoer> i was jsut thinking whether i dont hve to return some special code(not exit 0 but something like EX_OK or whateva)
[01:08:45] <sahil> bondoer: well, it's not magic.  find out why and what is re-injecting, then *then* continue.
[01:08:58] <stony> bondoer: tried to forward the mail to the daemon directly without content_filter set ?
[01:09:29] <bondoer> i was just wondering whether its not just something psotfix specific, the weirdo thing is that only the header is reinjected and not the envelope
[01:09:56] <stony> bondoer: i'm just gessing: perhaps postfix tries to remember the mails that are send to the content_filter ?
[01:10:01] <stony> s/gessing/guessing
[01:13:24] <stony> btw - why aren't you directly piping to netcat ?
[01:15:12] <stony> whatever, i'm off to bed now
[01:15:13] <stony> n8
[01:15:53] <bondoer> i want to be able to check the mail which was on the input
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[04:11:03] <yates> i know this has been asked 1000 times before, but is there a good tutorial for installing postfix on linux (i'm using fedora core 8) and getting my own mailserver up and running?
[04:13:23] <sahil> yates: have you looked at the postfix.org site itself?  some HOWTOs are linked from there.
[04:13:45] <sahil> then you can search google and find several hits quite easily; and finally, the postfix documentation itself is highly recommended.  this will take some time, but you will be better for it.
[04:14:23] <yates> sahil: i ask here hoping to get a better quality of informationt han just hitting GOogle, but thanks for the hints.
[04:15:48] <sahil> the hits you'll get on google are high quality.  there is no panacea.  you haven't provided enough idiosyncratic information for us to point you to a *specific* howto.  if you just want to learn you'll need to glean as much as you can from various different tutorials as they are probably suited for X, Y, and Z but perhaps not exactly what you want or need (which, again, you haven't divulged).
[04:17:04] <sahil> have you ever been a postmaster?  are you familiar with qmail/sendmail?  is this your first time using postfix?  are you familiar with unix commands and functionality?
[04:17:13] <yates> sahil: i don't agree with you on the quality of hits from Google, at least not in general. i waste a lot of time reading crap from there.
[04:17:26] <yates> sahil: no, no, yes, yes
[04:18:03] <yates> writing good technical articles is hard.
[04:18:09] <sahil> i don't use linux, but anecdotally i hear that simon mudd's rpms are very good: http://postfix.wl0.org/en/available-packages/
[04:18:17] <sahil> interesting factoid.
[04:19:00] <yates> i've even found quite a few books on technical subjects to be substandard.
[04:19:20] <sahil> The Book of Postfix is not substandard and you should get it if you are serious about running a Postfix mailserver.
[04:19:36] <yates> sahil: thanks for the reference.
[04:20:38] <yates> one of the things i'm concerned about is getting educated on just general postmaster stuff - does the "Book of Postfix" cover that type of thing as well as Postfix configuration proper?
[04:20:38] <sahil> if you are comfortable with linux already i would just go ahead and install postfix through the package system available in your particular linux distro and learn as you go.  if you ask specific questions in here i've noticed people are very willing to help troubleshoot.
[04:20:59] <sahil> it interleaves quite a bit, but i would be lying if i said it's an overview of postmastering in general.
[04:21:38] <sahil> let's back up a bit.  is this for personal/interest or are you planning on deploying a 'production' server that will be relied upon by others?
[04:21:46] <yates> sahil et al.: here's a real beginner question:
[04:22:11] <yates> sahil: it's for me and my wife and our email accounts.
[04:22:16] <yates> so personal
[04:22:25] <sahil> right, but more than just you so other people will be relying on it. :)
[04:22:34] <yates> yes
[04:22:37] <sahil> and i assume you've purchased a domain you want to use.
[04:22:53] <yates> yes and no
[04:22:57] <sahil> then you need a pretty stock configuration with local unix accounts for the email users.
[04:23:15] <sahil> in any case, what's your question?
[04:24:37] <yates> if i have a domain, say, mydomain.org, and i configure the MX record to point to my mailserver, then i see (more or less) how incoming mail will be directed there
[04:24:57] <sahil> yep.
[04:25:05] <yates> but what i don't understand is how my server knows how to communicate with other MTAs (terminology) for outgoing mail.
[04:25:17] <yates> s/terminology/terminology?
[04:25:47] <sahil> on a very basic level, it just looks up the MX record for the domain to which you're trying to send.
[04:26:06] <sahil> if that DNS lookup fails, then it will try delivering directly to the IP address (if there is one) associated with that machine.
[04:26:51] <sahil> yates: you might find this illuminating: http://communication.howstuffworks.com/email3.htm
[04:26:57] <yates> sahil: well that makes it easy. I guess i was under the impression that there some sort of mail relay mechanism that takes place, so that several (potentially) intermediate servers get involved.
[04:28:06] <sahil> yates: DNS servers get involved and several servers *may* indeed get involved after mail has passed from your server to another one, that server may be a "gateway" of some sort that, say, filters mail for that domain and then hands the message off to yet another server which might ONLY talk to that gateway and be the 'mail store' for users of that domain.
[04:28:27] * sahil realizes that is a run-on sentence, but i think you get it.
[04:29:55] <yates> sahil: yes, i can imagine that scenario, but i guess i was thinking that even more generally it gets handed to intermediate servers, kinda like usenet propagates articles. but i guess it just doesn't work that way.
[04:30:11] <sahil> nope, not like usenet in that sense.
[04:30:45] <yates> so outgoing mail goes directly from my postfix server to the MX record of the destination domain? (in a nutshell?)
[04:31:01] <sahil> yes, generally.
[04:31:23] <yates> cool
[04:31:35] <sahil> but in postfix you might have transport maps which force mail intended for a certain domain to ANOTHER server.  there are relayhost options, etc. etc.  but exceptions aside, it will work the way described above.
[04:31:57] <yates> well that actually cleared up some longstanding confusion on the subject. thanks.
[04:32:03] <sahil> if your server has an IP like cpe-071-070-224-093.nc.res.rr.com you will have problems.
[04:32:43] <yates> step 4 in http://communication.howstuffworks.com/email3.htm isn't exactly right, is it?
[04:32:43] <sahil> such "generic" looking residential IPs are often rejected outright by many servers, or at least treated with suspicion (greylisting, etc.).  without getting into a debate about where that's a good or bad thing, you should be aware that it could be an issue.
[04:32:55] <yates> oh, never mind.
[04:33:11] <sahil> no, that is how it works.
[04:33:21] <yates> sahil: do you mean a reverse dns?
[04:33:28] <sahil> that DNS lookup is to lookup the MX record (a DNS record) of mydomain.org.
[04:33:36] <yates> right
[04:34:01] <yates> what problems were you referring to re: if your server has an IP like cpe-071-070-224-093.nc.res.rr.com you will have problems.
[04:34:09] <yates> what do you mean "IP" ?
[04:34:17] <yates> that's a domain name
[04:34:30] <yates> you mean a reverse dns lookup?
[04:35:14] <yates> does time-warner filter outgoing port 25 traffic?
[04:35:25] <yates> timer warner cable/ roadrunner?
[04:35:45] <sahil> i meant your hostname (i misused the acronym IP) is obviously on a residential network, and it's tough being a residential MX these days.
[04:36:02] <yates> MX?
[04:36:07] <sahil> not in my area.  you want to make sure you're also not violating their terms of service by running your own mail server.
[04:36:11] <yates> mailserver?
[04:36:20] <sahil> Mail eXchanger
[04:36:30] <yates> heh. yeah, i'll double-check - nope....
[04:36:55] <yates> what's the difference between an MX and a MTA?
[04:37:19] <yates> and a mailserver..
[04:37:28] <yates> and a purple people eater...
[04:37:32] <sahil> haha
[04:37:50] <sahil> mx record tells an mta (which is a mail server) where to connect in order to deliver a message.  google for more detail.
[04:38:51] <yates> sahil: are you thinking that i'm running the DNS server on my own machine?
[04:39:03] <yates> and so am serving my own MX record?
[04:39:06] <yates> i am not
[04:39:09] <sahil> you needn't do that.  you can run a local dns caching server if you'd like.
[04:39:15] <sahil> no, i never assumed or indicated that i thought that.
[04:39:31] <sahil> you can just setup the MX record at whatever service you use to control the DNS for your domain.  that's the easy part.
[04:39:42] <yates> i still don't get what you meant by "it's tough being a residential MX these days"
[04:40:08] <yates> if MX means the actual MX record lookup, which it apparently does
[04:40:33] <sahil> have you ever heard of a metonym?
[04:40:38] <yates> no
[04:40:45] <yates> antonym, synonym, yes.
[04:41:02] <sahil> sometimes people refer to washington when they're talking about the u.s. administration.  or the kremlin, when talking about the russian government.  i used MX to refer to a mail server.  get used to it; that is done often.
[04:41:08] <sahil> google "define: metonym".
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[04:41:41] <yates> sahil: don't need to - i have xemacs and "dictionary-lookup-definition"
[04:41:52] <yates> quite handy
[04:41:59] <sahil> knock yourself out.  ok, you have enough information to start.  go ahead and get to work.
[04:42:29] <yates> so, what did you mean by your statement? what's tought about being a residential MX?
[04:42:41] <sahil> re-read my statement.
[04:42:58] <yates> "it's tough being a residential MX these days"
[04:43:00] <yates> ok
[04:43:02] <yates> now what?
[04:43:30] <sahil> lots of zombies spew spam all over the internet from residential hostnames, so lots of MTAs block any hostname that looks like it's of a residential network.
[04:44:44] <yates> how does it "look like" it's of a residential network? by looking at the reverse dns?
[04:45:56] <seekwill> yep
[04:47:56] <yates> well i'm wondering now if it's even worth the bother, if my outgoing MTA connects are going to get refused 70 percent of the time
[04:48:23] <seekwill> Exactly!
[04:48:37] <seekwill> <yates> "it's tough being a residential MX these days"
[04:49:25] <yates> perhaps i can configure my business isp account to be a transfer agent (terminology?) ?
[04:49:40] <seekwill> relay or smarthost
[04:50:03] <yates> i could just put postfix directly on that account, but i'd really like to keep the server local to me.
[04:50:23] <seekwill> Why?
[04:50:35] <yates> because
[04:50:50] <yates> why not, if it's not a big deal to configure a relay?
[04:51:20] <seekwill> ok, good luck
[04:51:58] <yates> seekwill: i'm ASKING. Why not? is there somehting you know that would make that a bad idea?
[04:52:35] <seekwill> Oh, I didn't know you were asking
[04:53:03] <seekwill> I have no idea what your busines isp account is like
[04:53:20] <yates> it's a virtual BSD account.
[04:53:26] <seekwill> But it goes back to, why host your own mailserver?
[04:53:27] <yates> www.hub.org
[04:53:36] <sahil> yates: yelling at people who are trying to help you is highly unproductive.  you already deduced, based on the information provided, that it makes little sense to run a mail server (in the way you had hoped) on your residential network.
[04:55:01] <yates> sahil: i didn't see that i've yelled at anyone. i asked a question. is that not acceptable?
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[04:55:17] <sahil> "ASKING"
[04:55:21] <seekwill> "i'm ASKING" ....
[04:55:33] <seekwill> It tends to come off a bit stressed...
[04:56:01] <sahil> anyway, smugness irritates me.  maybe seekwill can tolerate you.  enjoy.
[04:56:08] <yates> seekwill: one reason is that i'd like to configure imap accounts and i'd just as soon have all our personal stuff on our own system.
[04:56:16] <seekwill> sahil: hey now.... :)
[04:56:22] <sahil> seekwill: :P
[04:56:30] <yates> smug?
[04:57:26] <yates> i asked a question, and seekwill responded with "good luck" - it sounded as if he/she thought i'd made a statement, so i type "ASKING" for empasis.
[04:58:53] <seekwill> Gmail can give that to you
[04:59:09] <seekwill> Pretty sure you can relay through Gmail
[05:00:42] <yates> seekwill: so you're saying Gmail can give me a relay so that my outgoing SMTP communications won't be refused?
[05:00:56] <seekwill> Might... Look it up and let me know :)
[05:01:17] <sahil> seekwill: yep, you can relay through gmail as long as you authenticate.
[05:01:38] <seekwill> sahil: :)
[05:03:43] <yates> i'm sorry you both are so threatened by a person who thinks for themselves.
[05:04:07] <seekwill> Threatened? huh?
[05:04:14] <yates> what?
[05:04:39] <sahil> hahaha, wow.
[05:04:46] <yates> shazaam.
[05:04:51] * sahil runs and hides
[05:04:59] <sahil> seekwill: watch out, we've got a *thinker* here!
[05:05:00] <seekwill> It's not easy at all to host your own mail server these days because they all look like spammers.
[05:05:11] <Dominian> heh
[05:05:11] <seekwill> sahil: We can't have that! ahhhhh
[05:05:42] <seekwill> And, with all the services available online, there really is no need to
[05:06:10] <Dominian> eh.. i don't quite fully trust google apps to host my email
[05:06:17] <seekwill> Which is why we go back to the age old question, why?  If the answer is "because" or "why not",  fine, good luck, I have better things to do
[05:06:17] <sahil> Dominian: ditto.
[05:06:30] <seekwill> Dominian: I don't either...
[05:06:32] <yates> here's a need: i want to have imap access from a web interface and i don't want my last umpteen years of email on someone else's server for several reasons
[05:06:39] <sahil> Dominian: that's why we're here after all.
[05:06:45] <Dominian> sahil: heh
[05:06:58] <Dominian> sahil: Nah, Im' a control freak when it comes to my domains.. that's why I run my own mail server
[05:07:01] <yates> privacy, security, reliability, backups, etc.
[05:07:02] <seekwill> yates: What reasons?
[05:07:03] <Dominian> and DNS
[05:07:07] <yates> ^^^
[05:07:15] <Dominian> yates: dude.. google HAS backups..
[05:07:17] <Dominian> :)
[05:07:28] <sahil> yates: IMAP on your own server is fine,  you don't need postfix or an MTA to *send* mail for that.
[05:07:29] <seekwill> yates: Then what you need is a good VPS
[05:07:31] * Dominian just isnt the kind to fork his domain over to them yet
[05:07:41] <seekwill> Well
[05:07:42] <sahil> Dominian: me too.
[05:07:56] <Dominian> sahil: Don't get me wrong.. 6gig email is nice..
[05:07:57] <Dominian> but..
[05:08:01] <seekwill> yates: "privacy" is not a good reason if you knew how email works :)
[05:08:04] <Dominian> WHO THE FUCK HAS 6GIGS of EMAIL?
[05:08:07] <Dominian> er.. sorry.. caps
[05:08:08] <sahil> Dominian: i'm actually agreeing with you here. :)
[05:08:12] <seekwill> Dominian: I do :)
[05:08:19] <Dominian> seekwill: you're a mutant
[05:08:22] <Dominian> :)
[05:08:30] <Dominian> 6gig of email is just insane.
[05:08:33] <seekwill> Dominian: My second brain disagrees
[05:08:41] <Dominian> seekwill: I don't count porn as email :P
[05:08:44] <seekwill> oh
[05:08:46] <sahil> Dominian: this started as a personal server but i then started hosting small businesses to get the colo to pay for itself, so trust me, there are some users with 1+ gig *mailboxes*.
[05:08:50] <sahil> thank goodness for Maildir.
[05:08:54] <Dominian> sahil: aye
[05:09:10] <seekwill> sahil: Bah, pop3 that!
[05:09:24] <Dominian> The only thing I use my gmail account for is storing files hehe
[05:09:40] <sahil> seekwill: and deal with supporting users who say "hey wtf happened to all my uber important emails?!" -- not a chance!
[05:09:41] <Dominian> for now.. I'm sure in time managing an email server is going to get on my nerves
[05:09:47] <yates> sahil: wait: are you saying an IMAP server can be configured to push/pull email from whatever other servers and maintain the mail files locally?
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[05:09:57] <sahil> wait, yes.
[05:10:07] <sahil> actually, no.
[05:10:12] <Dominian> nope
[05:10:21] <sahil> you're so confused you're confusing me!
[05:10:23] <Dominian> You'd want to run the imap server with somethng like fetchmail
[05:10:29] <sahil> you need fetchmail
[05:10:39] <sahil> yes, dominian will help you set things up step-by-step actually.
[05:10:47] <Dominian> sahil: haha
[05:10:48] <Dominian> no way
[05:10:53] <Dominian> I don't use fetchmail :P
[05:11:26] <seekwill> sahil: haha
[05:12:10] <seekwill> yates: Dominian is just being modest. He's the fetchmail expert of the channel. You'll want to ask him. Buy him a beer.
[05:12:22] <Dominian> I'm so idle right now
[05:12:24] <sahil> shit, by me a beer.  bluemoon please.
[05:12:34] <Dominian> killian's or blue moon
[05:12:37] <yates> beer is good
[05:12:48] <yates> if you're near Raleigh, NC, i'll take you up on that
[05:12:58] * seekwill is in Seattle
[05:13:07] <yates> sleepless in?
[05:13:09] <sahil> no plans to ever be in NC.  ever.
[05:13:17] <sahil> NYC.
[05:13:42] <yates> i just sold my old car to someone from NYC (Brooklyn)
[05:13:53] <yates> who loves it here (Chapel Hill, NC)
[05:13:55] * sahil -> afk
[05:14:08] <yates> afk?
[05:14:16] <yates> away for killian's?
[05:14:22] <Dominian> heh
[05:14:25] <Dominian> killian's is good
[05:14:58] <seekwill> What kind of beer is it?
[05:14:59] <yates> well maybe an imap and fetchmail is all i really need.
[05:15:03] <seekwill> yates: Yep
[05:15:19] <Dominian> seekwill: Its .. irish lager
[05:15:24] <Dominian> er.. scottish
[05:15:27] * Dominian can't remember
[05:15:37] <yates> well, i did want to be able to selectively block people, like my uncle who's been sending me 10MB+ jokes for the last two years.
[05:15:54] <yates> can i do that with fetchmail?
[05:16:05] <yates> bad jokes...
[05:16:12] <Dominian> well you have to configure fetchmail to grab the email...
[05:16:16] <Dominian> not sure if you can do filtering with fetchmail..
[05:16:22] <Dominian> I've never really used it
[05:16:44] <yates> ok, well that's enought - going to bed. night night.
[05:16:58] <yates> thanks for the input (as Johnny 5 would say in "Short Circuit")
[05:17:02] <Dominian> hehe
[05:17:06] <Dominian> np
[05:17:11] <yates> AHHH! INPUT!
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[05:17:31] <seekwill> Haven't seen that movie in ages...
[05:17:43] <Dominian> heh
[05:17:52] * seekwill ponders dinner
[05:18:14] <Dominian> I really hate it when someone is going nuts for help.. you finally pop up to say something right after they finished talking.. and then they are silent.
[05:20:20] <seekwill> Did that happen here?
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[05:22:34] <Dominian> no
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[14:01:08] <perlor> I'm try to configure policyd v2 with postfix then it's required a database for postfix? any one help
[14:10:02] <perlor>
[14:13:52] <perlor> I'm try to configure policyd v2 with postfix then it's required a database for postfix? any one help
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[14:27:05] <sysmonk> perlor: try to repeat yet 5 more times
[14:27:10] <sysmonk> maybe then somebody will answer
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[14:50:26] <stony> morn
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[15:14:06] <jes-o-mat> Hi
[15:15:02] <jes-o-mat> I have created a tranport rule for a domain (which is working) but I still got some messages in queue that do not use this transport rule
[15:15:32] <jes-o-mat> using postqueue -f still tries to use the old mail-routing
[15:15:40] <jes-o-mat> (which ends in timeout)
[15:16:06] <jes-o-mat> how can I tell postfix to send also these mails via that transport rule?
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[16:38:11] <dmnd> hi, i created a virtual domain1.com, now i want to link a 2nd domain2.com to the same mailboxes as domain1.com. which keyword do i need? :)
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[16:40:00] <Laibsch> I know I can take a look at the mailqueue with the mailq command.  There is one mail stuck in there.  How can I get a copy of its contents before removing the mail from the queue?
[16:40:21] <dmnd> Laibsch: man postcat or install pfqueue
[16:40:37] <Laibsch> thanks
[16:40:47] <dmnd> postcat is just to see what's in, not copy it.
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[16:53:32] <dmnd> i found out already
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[17:52:41] <sahil> jes-o-mat: requeue the message.  don
[17:52:44] <sahil> 't just flush it.
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[17:59:58] <trappist> I had everything working beautifully, but after an OS upgrade postfix can't seem to talk to saslauthd.  I fixed everything I could find that was busted (unchrooted postfix, fixed perms on /var/run/saslauthd, re-added postfix to the sasl group) but I stipp get SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied.  Any ideas?
[18:04:24] <jes-o-mat> sahil: postsuper -r ALL also did not change anything on mail-routing
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[18:25:49] <sahil> jes-o-mat: exact same situation for one of our domains yesterday and re-queing worked.  hmm, any other info we're missing?  maybe a sense of why/how the messages in the queue were destined for old transport instead of the current/new one?  were they forcibly defered into the queue?
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[18:35:48] <sahil> jes-o-mat: did you postfix reload?  might be a caching issue as well.
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[18:52:58] <jes-o-mat> sahil: it's even more strange
[18:53:16] <jes-o-mat> I restarted and reloaded postfix several times
[18:54:28] <jes-o-mat> I have an extra entry in /etc/hosts, I added an extra smtp-route into tranport (and reloaded .db file), I requeued the messages
[18:54:35] <jes-o-mat> nothing worked
[18:55:01] <jes-o-mat> after all there are 12msg stuck since friday
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[18:55:42] <jes-o-mat> (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to outside-ip[88.217.x.y]: Connection timed out)
[18:56:43] <jes-o-mat> and each time the MTA tries to redeliver it gets an timeout again with the false ip
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[19:43:04] <lgbr> If I'm using procmail, do I need to set home_mailbox ?
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[19:48:41] <rob0> If you're using procmail, home_mailbox is ignored.
[19:50:33] <lgbr> thanks
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[20:30:03] <akrall> Guys... Im having a problem with too many hops while using transport and relayhost... here is the scenario, I have a postfix server on the ouside called box A, this handles all incoming and outgoing mail... then thru a vpn it comunicates to another postfix inside out network called box B
[20:30:19] <akrall> box b has setup a relayhost pointing to box A
[20:30:27] <akrall> so all mail can go out thru box A
[20:30:44] <akrall> then we have an exchange server which has configured a relayhost to box B
[20:31:04] <akrall> so internal mail goes to exchange -> box b -> box a
[20:31:15] <akrall> and incoming the other way around
[20:31:27] <akrall> everything works great... but there is a problem.. if exchange is down
[20:31:35] <akrall> mail comes thru box a -> box b
[20:32:09] <akrall> and then box b complains about no route to host for exchange.. but mails doesnt get deferred.... since box b has a smartrelay to box a
[20:32:25] <akrall> mails goes out again to box a... then back ahain to bax b.. the same thing happensd about 5 times
[20:32:35] <akrall> and then that mail gets a too many hops and dropped
[20:33:05] <akrall> how can I tell box b that if exchange is down, do not requeue to smartrelay box a ... rather.. keep it until excchange comes back on again?
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[20:51:52] <higuita> akrall: put in the transport file the domains that the exchange should receive  (ie: domain :[exchange_dns_or_ip]
[20:52:45] <higuita> you way you are enforcing that for the all emails to domain must be delivered to that IP/DNS and arent taken care by the any other rule
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[21:37:53] <sahil> anyone familiar with how to pass the mail extra field for virtual users so that mailbox_location is different for only *that* set of users? while the default is used for everyone else?  i have not seen an example of how to actually define the mail extra field.
[21:41:12] <sahil> woops, wrong channel.  my bad.
[21:41:13] <sahil> :)
[21:52:08] <higuita> sahil: email+extrafield at domain dot com
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[21:53:04] <higuita> recipient_delimiter = +
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[21:53:13] <akrall> higuita: I have that ... incoming mail works fine, but the problems comes when exchange is down... since box b has a smartrelay to box a (eventhough box b has a transport entry for exchange to its ip) mails gets sent back and forth from box b to a for 10 times then I get a too many hops and mails gets killed... this only happends when exchange is down..
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[21:53:32] <akrall> what I need is for mail to get queued on box b when exchange is out and not sent back and forth to box a
[21:54:28] <higuita> akrall: you the transport
[21:55:01] <higuita> it the server in the transport file is down, it will be queue until the server is up
[21:55:34] <akrall> higuita: its not down that... box b which has the transport to exchange also as a relayhost entry to box a
[21:55:45] <akrall> so if mails cant get delivered to exchange, box b is sending it back to box a
[21:56:12] <akrall> then box a (which has a transport with an exchange entry also) send it to box b... and the same story happens again
[21:56:20] <akrall> 10 times and them mails gets too many hopped
[21:56:35] <higuita> akrall: you arent reading what i wrote... if you are using transport for a domain or email, that domain or email will never use the relayhost
[21:57:19] <akrall> somehow box b is doing that... if transport to exchange gets back a no route to host due to exchange been down
[21:57:32] <akrall> it gets sent to box b relayhost...  havent figured
[21:57:44] <higuita> the transport ENFORCES the use of a server, it ignores other things (if you use the [exchange_dns_or_ip], it will not even try to find a MX or something)
[21:57:53] <akrall> out a way to stop that... I figured, if there is a transport entry, mail should be passed back to relayhost again :(
[21:58:11] <akrall> ther is what box b has
[21:58:31] <akrall> exchange.intruder.com.mx        relay:[exchange.intruder.com.mx]
[21:58:36] <higuita> box B already have a entry for transport?
[21:58:40] <higuita> relay: ?!
[21:58:42] <higuita> no!!
[21:58:43] <akrall> relayhost = [10.0.101.2]
[21:58:47] <higuita> : or smtp:
[21:58:57] <akrall> ah!
[21:59:01] <higuita> relay you are telling to use the relay
[21:59:06] <higuita> smtp you way to deliver via smtp to the other server
[21:59:18] <akrall> there might be the problem
[21:59:36] <akrall> let me run a test
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[21:59:49] <higuita> the default is smtp (that is why you can use just : , : = smtp: )
[22:00:04] <akrall> if you use smtp: in transport
[22:00:19] <akrall> the destination postfix has to have that domain in their mydestionation file?
[22:01:26] <higuita> mydestination is JUST for domain that will be delivered locally
[22:02:06] <higuita> for other things, use virtual_alias_domain and relay_domains
[22:02:13] <higuita> use relay_domains for this case
[22:02:26] <akrall> example?
[22:03:29] <higuita> relay_domains = example.com  or relay_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/relay.domains
[22:04:35] <higuita> but i'm not sure about the hash, as i never used it in here :)
[22:05:19] <akrall> ok box a (the perimeter box which handles the MX for the domains and get incoming mail from the outside) has this:
[22:05:44] <akrall> exchange.intruder.com.mx        smtp:[10.0.101.1]
[22:05:51] <akrall> 10.0.101.1 is box b
[22:05:54] <akrall> box b has this
[22:06:08] <akrall> relayhost = [10.0.101.2]
[22:06:16] <akrall> the ip of box a for outgoing mail
[22:06:18] <akrall> and laso
[22:06:27] <akrall> exchange.intruder.com.mx        smtp:[exchange.intruder.com.mx]
[22:06:37] <akrall> looks good?
[22:07:04] <akrall> exchange.intruder.com.mx has this MX entry
[22:07:19] <akrall> exchange.intruder.com.mx IN MX 5 mx.server.com which is box a
[22:07:45] <higuita> the MX doesnt matter, as you have the [], that tells portfix to ignore MX for that entry
[22:07:52] <higuita> looks good, should work
[22:10:55] <akrall> and I added this
[22:10:57] <akrall> on box a
[22:11:04] <akrall> relay_domains = exchange.intruder.com.mx
[22:11:06] <akrall> and on box b
[22:11:15] <akrall> relay_domains = exchange.intruder.com.mx
[22:11:31] <akrall> so incoming mails goes from box a to box b and then via transport to exchange
[22:11:44] <akrall> lets see if exchange is down
[22:11:58] <akrall> if mail gets queued on box b until exchange gets back up
[22:13:01] <akrall> thisi s weird
[22:13:16] <akrall> since exchange is down
[22:13:18] <akrall> box b reports this
[22:13:33] <akrall>  No route to host (port 25)
[22:13:41] <akrall> but instead of queueing
[22:13:47] <akrall> until its back up
[22:13:49] <akrall> I get this
[22:13:56] <akrall> to=<akrall at test dot intruder.com.mx>, relay=intruder.com.mx[207.36.16.21],
[22:14:00] <akrall> which is box a ip
[22:14:04] <akrall> its sending it back to box a
[22:15:06] <akrall> ah!
[22:15:14] <akrall> I saw something.. a fallback_relay
[22:15:16] <akrall> removed
[22:15:22] <akrall> seems now its working!
[22:15:27] <higuita> :)
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[22:21:41] <akrall> now its working... the change from relay to smto on transport made the deal
[22:21:44] <akrall> thanks higuita
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[22:22:46] <higuita> remember the KISS
[22:23:27] <higuita> in postfix redifine the little as possible, the defaults are most of the time perfect 8)
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[22:25:14] <akrall> yea!
[22:25:20] <akrall> Ill keep that in mind...
[22:25:28] <akrall> sometimes you start putting in a lot of rules
[22:25:35] <akrall> and forget which ones did what
[22:25:37] <akrall> :(
[22:25:51] <higuita> :)
[22:27:24] <pingouin> sorry, to disturb, can someone can give me an advices about a tool to handle the queue (watch the queue, erase 1 mail in or all, etc..) ?
[22:29:47] <higuita> pfqueue
[22:31:05] <higuita> but its only usable if you have a small queue, a big one is probably better to use postqueue /postsuper / postcat -q
[22:31:27] <higuita> pingouin: all really depends on what you want to do
[22:31:31] <pingouin> ok, higuita thank you very much
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[22:33:50] <pingouin> i wanted to send an email...usualy no problem, postfix/mutt
[22:34:05] <pingouin> when send : fatal: me at them dot fr(1000): queue file write error
[22:34:32] <pingouin> never had such error...
[22:34:49] <pingouin> i've joined a file maybe to big 18 mo
[22:35:10] <pingouin> but the queue is empty, as the tools you gave me upper, show it
[22:35:24] <pingouin> and the mail is well in my send box...strange....
[22:36:09] <higuita> pingouin:  df -h /var/spool/postfix/
[22:36:29] <higuita> and  ls -l  /var/spool/postfix/
[22:37:21] <higuita> check if the (almost) all dirs are owned by postfix
[22:37:37] <higuita> and that maildrop is group owned to postdrop
[22:37:57] <pingouin> yes
[22:38:01] <higuita> better yet...
[22:38:03] <pingouin> postfix root
[22:38:04] <higuita> tail -f /var/log/maillog (or what ever your log is)
[22:38:09] <higuita> and postfix check
[22:38:27] <higuita> it will check the permissions for the spool
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[22:39:21] <pingouin> Jul 27 22:25:11 debian postfix/postdrop[15811]: warning: uid=1000: Illegal seek  and  fatal: me at them dot fr(1000): queue file write error
[22:39:29] <pingouin> for the tail -f /var/log/maillog
[22:39:43] <higuita> postfix check didnt report anything?
[22:40:01] <higuita> postfix stop ; postfix check
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[22:41:23] <pingouin> nop it says nothing
[22:41:55] <pingouin> do i have to /etc/init.d/postfix start ? cause of the postfix stop
[22:42:02] <pingouin> debian here
[22:43:12] <higuita> you have space left on the spool disk, right?
[22:43:34] <pingouin> yes yes
[22:43:35] <higuita> also check the inodes (df -i )
[22:44:21] <pingouin> df -h /var/spool/postfix/     =    /dev/sda1              56G  8,5G   44G  17% /
[22:45:34] <higuita> if everthing is OK, tell me the output of a mailq (pvt or via pastebin)
[22:46:25] <pingouin> mailq   =  Mail queue is empty
[22:48:41] <higuita>  find /var/spool/postfix/{maildrop,active,bounce,corrupt,defer,deferred,flush,hold,incoming} -type f
[22:48:52] <higuita> tell me if it show anything...
[22:49:17] <pingouin> i redo the same : send an email, with an attached mp3 with mutt, when send it says : postdrop: warning: uid=1000: Illegal seek  sendmail: fatal: me at them dot fr(1000): queue file write error
[22:49:33] <pingouin>  code 75 (Deferred.).
[22:50:01] <higuita> also, this for any email, or just for big emails?
[22:50:51] <pingouin> only for 'big' email, a just text mail as just get out
[22:51:05] <pingouin> 13mo is not so big... i guessed ;)
[22:51:31] <pingouin> i got some limitation somewhere you think ?
[22:53:29] <higuita> postdrop: warning: uid=0: File too large
[22:53:30] <higuita> sendmail: fatal: root(0): message file too big
[22:53:46] <higuita> this is my error if it the max mail size...
[22:54:01] <higuita>  your is strange...
[22:54:05] <higuita> is the file OK
[22:54:09] <higuita> try with another file
[22:54:25] <higuita> maybe the real error is that the file is corrupted
[22:54:38] <higuita> you can also try to do a fsck to that filesystem
[22:55:24] <higuita> as its the root, boot with a liveCD, or do a forcefsck (debian right? let me check how debian do the forcefsck on boot)
[22:55:47] <higuita> touch /forcefsck
[22:56:02] <higuita> and reboot... after the boot, remove that file
[22:58:28] <pingouin> the file is ok, i can read/play it...
[22:58:33] <pingouin> strange, strange strange...
[22:59:33] <higuita> you can also try to do a test with sendmail directly:
[23:00:01] <higuita> sendmail  me at them dot fr < file.mp3
[23:00:03] <pingouin> maybe we dont have the same error msg because of the version, debian is famous to be stable, but not up to date ;)
[23:00:03] <higuita> check if it works or not...
[23:00:13] <higuita> if not, strace -efile sendmail  me at them dot fr < file.mp3
[23:00:29] <higuita> and check if it gives any strange error in the end
[23:01:01] <higuita> mail_version = 2.5.1
[23:01:21] <pingouin> i have to be root to do all that i guess ?
[23:01:38] <higuita> postconf mail_version
[23:01:40] <higuita> no
[23:01:44] <higuita> you can use a normal user
[23:02:07] <pingouin> ok
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[23:06:03] <pingouin> i guess i have to be root, sendmail is not allowed for me in simple user
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[23:17:54] <pingouin> where the limitation is configured higuita ?
[23:18:12] <pingouin> is there a directive to add/change in my main.cf ?
[23:18:17] <rob0> huh?
[23:18:34] <rob0> /topic, basic Unix understanding is essential
[23:18:53] <rob0> like, use a FULL PATH if the binary is not in your $PATH
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[23:20:34] <higuita> :)
[23:21:22] <higuita> pingouin: usually sendmail is in /usr/sbin/sendmail , you probably dont have the /usr/sbin in the normal user $PATH
[23:21:56] <pingouin> yeah :/ sure...
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[23:42:14] <sahil> higuita: that's not correct; i found the answer; the question was dovecot (not postfix) related.  thanks for the attempt though.
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[23:56:51] <penrod> greetings: what exactly is "Sendmail-compatible mail posting interface" ?
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