[00:04:39] <thumbs> yes, he was the only one talking
[00:05:48] * devdas has been reading though
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[00:58:40] <lennard> impressive, but true
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[03:01:26] <Qube> General question that I can't find an answer from google.... is there a tool to generate a postfix relay_recipients file from a legacy qmail setup?
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[03:46:55] <martianixor> I should be able to send mail to any of the available services correct? I shouldn't get something like this Jul 20 04:45:45 Mars postfix/smtp[23217]: connect to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[216.239.59.27]:25: Connection timed out
[03:47:11] <martianixor> in the logs
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[03:49:19] <martianixor> sounds like a blocked port 25 by ISP?
[03:51:32] <dembug> :)
[03:52:47] <martianixor> dembug: was that smile @ the ISP blocking port 25 or @ me using such an ISP?
[03:53:19] <dembug> getting '[realm=smtp]: not found, update pending' now :P least i solved the other debian chroot problem and groups :O)
[03:53:30] <dembug> both martianixor
[03:53:37] <dembug> and also directed towards lennard
[03:53:41] <dembug> :)
[03:53:43] <martianixor> dembug: no you have to choose one
[03:54:09] <dembug> XOR might be mutually exclusive but indecision isn't :)
[03:54:44] <martianixor> :-)
[03:54:57] <dembug> but, if you must know my ':)' was not in intention towards your problem, rather when i was talking to myself some time ago eheh
[03:55:24] <martianixor> dembug: I tend to talk to myself at times too
[03:55:36] <dembug> it's problem solving gold
[03:55:43] <dembug> anyways high perception is talking to yourself
[03:55:53] <dembug> just in a more compartmentalized intrapsective way
[03:55:54] * dembug faints
[03:56:11] <martianixor> heh
[03:56:57] <dembug> have you tried taking a tcpdump of the port
[03:57:01] <martianixor> dembug: you meant introspective way didn't you?
[03:57:08] <dembug> yessir i did
[03:58:12] <martianixor> dembug: actually no, cause afew monthes ago I've successfuly sent mail to my user account from my Content Management System installation
[03:58:27] <dembug> hmmm ok
[03:58:44] <martianixor> dembug: besides, what really matters is what happens localy
[03:58:57] <dembug> well yeah thats true
[03:59:06] <dembug> but tcp will show who is dropping who i mean :)
[03:59:16] <martianixor> postfix is just one step, there's many others, including Spam filtering etc
[03:59:23] <dembug> i guess your already positive its postfix doing it
[03:59:47] <dembug> or at least something on the box, rather than MX, or goggle ;p
[04:00:03] <martianixor> dembug: yes I should've payed much more attention to the issue and stopped being lazy
[04:00:09] <dembug> haha
[04:00:11] <dembug> well..
[04:00:26] <dembug> i used to look after two racks just outside docklands
[04:00:41] <dembug> looking after them certainly didnt feel lazy
[04:00:47] <dembug> but i knew that only lazy people like me did this
[04:01:01] <dembug> only lazy people are willing to sacrafice their life for machines
[04:01:06] <martianixor> I like doing such remote maintainance I love it :-) didn't have a chance to practically do it yet though :-)
[04:01:08] <dembug> thast why you dont get coders in datacentres
[04:01:10] * dembug chuckles
[04:01:23] <dembug> mehhh
[04:01:26] <dembug> its awful work duder
[04:01:42] <martianixor> dembug: I imagine it's nerve burning?
[04:01:43] <dembug> i swear exposure to hvac for over 24 hours is actually psychologically damaging
[04:01:50] <dembug> well
[04:02:01] <dembug> the noise, the temperature being so cold, and in some cases, so hot :<
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[04:02:20] <dembug> the stress, is quite intense, when you know theres a few thousand customers connected to the cisco switch you're about to pull/reset/update
[04:02:23] <dembug> heh
[04:02:56] <dembug> once i was setting up a tunnel with a company i wanted a partial with
[04:02:59] <martianixor> heh well, I've been near something like that, I've even restarted the wrong rack once
[04:03:05] <dembug> i gave them our switch details so they could add their tag
[04:03:15] <martianixor> it was awful
[04:03:17] <dembug> i say explicitly i don't have PDU so don't set any thing hard
[04:03:23] <dembug> then the whole network falls down :)
[04:03:38] <dembug> lol
[04:03:42] <dembug> its not awful unless its your rack
[04:03:43] <dembug> :P
[04:03:52] <martianixor> hehehe it wasn't
[04:03:56] <dembug> well, most of the time :)
[04:04:11] <dembug> see you shouldnt be worried ;p breaking other peopels stuff
[04:04:24] <martianixor> otherwise I wouldn't learn dang it
[04:04:46] <martianixor> I have to break stuff to learn
[04:06:22] <dembug> one doesnt have to break stuff to learn, it is just really advantageous to make loads of mistakes because you have a greater differential abstraction to refer from
[04:06:26] <martianixor> to learn stuff like never getting off the bed heading directly to troubleshoot a network issue for instance
[04:07:12] <dembug> like, when you see stuff you saw as a kid it always appears bigger than it was when you were a child, because everything we learn is eseentially differential (contrast is a control for difference)
[04:07:28] <dembug> and, it is essentially ourselves we can refer from at the basic level :P
[04:07:44] <dembug> hah
[04:08:19] <dembug> well, when i started working in telecom and sys admin work..
[04:08:25] <dembug> looking after boxen etc
[04:08:38] <dembug> i had a profound and deep disregard for the world and its ideas
[04:08:43] <martianixor> dembug: how many cups of coffee do you consume daily?
[04:08:52] <dembug> and now, the world has a profound and deep disregard for me :)
[04:08:56] <dembug> lol
[04:09:00] <dembug> in mg?
[04:09:01] <dembug> :D
[04:09:31] <martianixor> I thought you'd ask in MUGS?
[04:09:34] <martianixor> heh
[04:09:34] <dembug> lol
[04:09:40] <dembug> i drink cola actually man
[04:09:46] <dembug> like 2litres a day or something
[04:10:00] <dembug> i try not to look as it burns the insides of me
[04:10:16] <dembug> being human and educated is harder than being respected
[04:10:18] <dembug> why is that
[04:10:35] <martianixor> I agree
[04:11:11] <dembug> I say this because i fall to the same fate , i smoke and i drink copious amounts of phosphoric acid + caffeine + co2
[04:11:18] <dembug> kinda weird when you think about it
[04:11:30] <dembug> at least when you detatch yourself from your idea of normality, i mean ;p
[04:11:35] <martianixor> you can simply just be quite and many would respect you unknowing about your deep ignorance, or even fear you
[04:11:54] <dembug> heh yeah
[04:12:03] <dembug> its a fractal problem though...
[04:12:16] <dembug> in being conscious, you can be aware of knowing that you are hurting yourself, but in knowing that want to,..
[04:12:20] <dembug> etc
[04:12:26] <dembug> and in being conscious of wanting to,
[04:12:31] <dembug> you can be aware of not wanting
[04:12:32] <dembug> ;>
[04:12:33] <martianixor> yeah with factors like, how do you look while being quite...
[04:13:44] <dembug> being quite..
[04:13:48] <dembug> ignorant? :>
[04:13:54] <martianixor> no
[04:13:57] <martianixor> sharp
[04:14:03] <martianixor> or innocent
[04:14:06] <martianixor> etc
[04:14:24] <martianixor> blood shot eyes.... hypnotized
[04:14:24] <dembug> well yeah
[04:14:29] <dembug> i mean comedy for instance, is timing
[04:14:36] <dembug> comedy is a good example of a fractal
[04:14:48] <dembug> simple in alogirthmic nature
[04:14:56] <dembug> complex in inerpretation and function
[04:15:00] <dembug> +t
[04:15:25] <dembug> i often wondered if all things were fractals ;p
[04:15:49] <martianixor> PI
[04:15:50] <dembug> and that is actually what chance and causality is
[04:15:53] <dembug> heh well yeah
[04:15:57] <dembug> PI is an expression of chance
[04:16:00] <dembug> ;)
[04:16:14] <dembug> quantum spin can be only measured using PI i believe :)
[04:16:39] <dembug> One could say, PI is an expression of dimension
[04:17:34] <dembug> all of a sudden reality and the creation of the universe doesnt seem so immense ;p
[04:19:07] <dembug> anyways good luck with your problem :D
[04:19:22] <martianixor> dembug: are you always like that?
[04:19:32] <dembug> no
[04:19:38] <martianixor> dembug: you're happy?
[04:19:40] <dembug> if i was i'd be at least twice as unpopular as i am now
[04:19:47] <martianixor> dembug: hyperactive?
[04:19:50] <dembug> and trust me, thats very unpopular
[04:19:53] <dembug> yes i am hyperactive
[04:19:59] <dembug> i am dyslexic too
[04:20:06] <dembug> does that mean i'm stupid very quickly>?
[04:20:19] <martianixor> no
[04:20:39] <martianixor> I'd imagine you're the quite opposite to that
[04:20:49] <dembug> haha
[04:21:00] <martianixor> you've typed inerrpretation for instance like you've pronounce it
[04:21:05] <dembug> well lets just say i'm not as good at computers as i am at music and other intellectual stuff
[04:21:22] <dembug> heh
[04:21:34] <dembug> well yeah, i found that i always lacked in some basic maths and english, at first..
[04:21:39] <dembug> that changed after i reached about 20
[04:21:50] <martianixor> dembug: in other words, when you're hyperactive your responses are pretty quick
[04:22:07] <dembug> discovered that i had massive interest in the pursuit of my own knowledge
[04:22:13] <dembug> i'm constantly hyperactive, lived with it all my life
[04:22:16] <martianixor> dembug: currently I'm not good at anything at all
[04:22:18] <dembug> i suffer from migraines too :)
[04:22:20] <dembug> lies
[04:22:33] <dembug> i linked migraines to altered perception and learning disorders
[04:23:05] <dembug> hey..
[04:23:08] <martianixor> dembug: It's like I'm looking at a mirror now
[04:23:11] <dembug> talking of not being good at anything
[04:23:21] <dembug> as a kid I really wanted to learn the piano
[04:23:23] <dembug> i was like 5 years old
[04:23:39] <dembug> when i was 7 my teacher told me and my parents that i should give up because i just wasnt progressing
[04:23:46] <dembug> telling the diference between my left and right hand was immensely difficult
[04:23:53] <dembug> just like fighting the wind
[04:23:58] <dembug> but if you know how the wind works
[04:24:03] <dembug> all of a sudden you are infinitely powerful
[04:24:14] <dembug> i can write at and well beyond concert level
[04:24:31] <martianixor> oh I don't mean to be rude interrupting you, but do you think that what they've said about old people trying learning new stuff helping parts of their brain responsible for those new skills or related to those skills continue growing
[04:24:46] <dembug> absolutely
[04:24:52] <dembug> thats part of my research at the moment
[04:25:07] <dembug> i mean im always researching anything that is interesting or useful to us as a people
[04:25:21] <dembug> you will find societies objectives are not mutually exclusive to the benficial goals of man
[04:25:29] <dembug> for instance, capitalism is like socialism, but harder to remove
[04:25:45] <dembug> i.e. encourages and is founded upon greed, and often used to enslave others and/or to control
[04:25:45] <martianixor> yeah they seem to find war and destruction very amusing now adays
[04:26:03] <dembug> hehe
[04:26:07] <dembug> war is indeed written by victors
[04:26:16] <dembug> only victors live to spread their stories
[04:26:24] <dembug> everything before that can only be called propoganda
[04:26:26] <martianixor> like lately I've seen a video with US soldiers exploding a C-130 plane cause it has crash-landed on an insecure area in Iraq
[04:26:26] <dembug> :)
[04:26:33] <martianixor> a correction
[04:26:39] <martianixor> exploding it multiple times
[04:26:41] <dembug> yeah
[04:26:44] <dembug> thats nothing, man
[04:27:11] <dembug> i've always believed real crime is intellectually committed, at least, if you can call that..
[04:27:21] <dembug> i mean, somebody is sitting down thinking very carefully how to kill people, that is what i mean
[04:27:35] <dembug> probably someone like me
[04:27:55] <martianixor> dembug: you're seeking power?
[04:27:57] <dembug> it is an art, putting all things aside and continuing with your work irrelevant to moral questioning
[04:28:04] <martianixor> and when you have it, do you seek more power?
[04:28:11] <dembug> art can give powerful messages
[04:28:21] <dembug> i suppose you could call it pwoer ;p
[04:28:23] <dembug> power
[04:28:41] <dembug> but what is power but control and understanding of ones factulties
[04:28:49] <martianixor> dembug: they only true pure power I've ever known was knowledge
[04:28:54] <dembug> what is intelligence but differential knowledge, the difference between a good tool and a good method
[04:29:02] <dembug> mhhhh
[04:29:05] <dembug> i agree
[04:29:09] <dembug> but knowledge is not a weapon
[04:29:17] <dembug> it is an existance
[04:29:28] <dembug> we are just a small part of the existance, and observers of the rest
[04:29:30] <dembug> hehh
[04:29:41] <dembug> although my ideas are strange
[04:31:20] <dembug> ideas
[04:31:28] <dembug> meh
[04:31:31] <dembug> my console was playing up ;<
[04:31:57] <dembug> think i filled up the buffer and then got impatient waiting for it to sync
[04:32:11] <martianixor> :-)
[04:32:17] <dembug> seriously dude
[04:32:24] <dembug> there can be no man any less than any other
[04:32:29] <dembug> as inherently we are space dust
[04:32:32] <dembug> and we are apparently conscious
[04:32:34] <dembug> so what
[04:32:45] <dembug> its an interesting question isnt it
[04:32:59] <dembug> whether the consciousness comes from the collection of amino' acids and proteins itself
[04:33:06] <dembug> or whether matter itself has consciousness
[04:33:22] <dembug> i mean , saying a stone has consciousness is ridiculous
[04:33:28] <dembug> but saying a stone in 10 million years?
[04:33:29] <dembug> :)
[04:34:17] <dembug> nobody can be more socially outcast than i am , nobody is willing to discuss the most worrying questions
[04:34:26] <dembug> but what is worry but an ignorance of resolution itself
[04:34:33] <martianixor> dembug: there're unexplained things going on beyound our knowledge so most probably there're too many things beyound our imagination
[04:34:42] <dembug> well
[04:34:58] <dembug> things like saying consciousness is a property of matter could challenge that assumption
[04:35:04] <martianixor> dembug: so are you sure a stone has consciousness is rediculous?
[04:35:15] <dembug> its not ridiculous
[04:35:18] <dembug> not if you remove time
[04:35:21] <dembug> we are essentially what stone is
[04:35:29] <dembug> we do essentially come from space dust also
[04:35:31] <martianixor> matter
[04:35:44] <dembug> well on the most basic level we are derived from hydrogen
[04:35:55] <martianixor> yeah mostly h2o
[04:35:57] <dembug> nuclear reactions can make new vibrational energy
[04:35:59] <dembug> or particles
[04:36:01] <martianixor> H2O
[04:36:06] <dembug> well, the sun is the engine
[04:36:11] <dembug> we are the 'gas'
[04:36:13] <dembug> if you excuse the pun :)
[04:36:23] <martianixor> :-)
[04:36:28] <dembug> i think its probably better to say
[04:36:30] <dembug> we are the emissions
[04:36:34] <dembug> because its basically true
[04:36:44] <dembug> that is why you have these crazy occult free masons going around worshipping light
[04:36:56] <dembug> because its based on sound concepts that dated back 10,000 years ;p
[04:37:07] <dembug> stuff that we dont understand now, as a society, but the knowledge is available :)
[04:37:10] <dembug> believe it or not ;p
[04:37:50] <martianixor> better yet, realize it or not
[04:37:55] <dembug> like, i'm an idealist, by definition
[04:38:06] <dembug> im challeneged daily by almost 100% of the living population
[04:38:19] <dembug> yet nobody has answered my proposition that economy is more imaginary than the concept of idealism itself
[04:38:40] <dembug> maybe because my proposition is true
[04:38:41] <dembug> hehh
[04:38:50] * sahil checks to make sure this is #postfix
[04:38:50] <sahil> WTF?
[04:38:56] <dembug> hey
[04:39:02] <dembug> nobody come to help me with saslauthd
[04:39:06] <dembug> ;[
[04:39:27] <sahil> debian and/or their overzealous chroot is the problem, likely.
[04:39:35] <martianixor> dembug: ever listened to a song saying, kill the idealist give him a job, kill the aggregator capital rules the world?
[04:39:35] <dembug> yeah i believe so too
[04:39:52] <dembug> heh naww but i do have a poor memory for lyrics for some odd reason
[04:39:56] <sahil> and of course, http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[04:40:07] <dembug> already there :)
[04:40:09] <dembug> thanks sahil
[04:40:23] <dembug> i have a new error now anyways
[04:40:39] * sahil prefers dovecot's SASL anyway
[04:40:48] <sahil> it has been much "easier" to setup ever since we migrated.
[04:40:54] <dembug> running sasl from /usr/bin manually, my init.d for debian was buggy because it used OPTIONS and sasl package was using PARAMS
[04:41:05] <dembug> i saw some guy with PARAMS that needed options
[04:41:08] <dembug> kinda made me chuckle :P
[04:41:23] <dembug> yeah now i get  [realm=smtp]: not found, update pending
[04:46:16] <dembug> meh anyways this is only my like 5th or 6th mailserver and i still always sturggle with sasl :) it's probably something idiotic like permissions heheh
[04:47:17] <dembug> catch you guys tomorrow probably, i'll be back at this problem, *wave
[04:47:49] <martianixor> dembug: see you later :-)
[04:48:17] <sahil> bye.
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[06:13:16] <mm_202> Hey guys, Im very new to postfix.  Its not working.  It starts, but it doesnt produce any logs so I cant identify the problem.  Where would I enable logging?
[06:16:07] <mwalling> !basic
[06:16:08] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[06:16:10] <mwalling> !logs
[06:16:10] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[06:16:14] <mwalling> !tutorial
[06:16:15] <knoba> mwalling: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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[06:31:15] <mm_202> mwalling: danke.
[06:32:52] <lat> I'm using ubuntu, and I have my Evolution e-mail client set to send mail via sendmail. I also have postfix installed. How can I tell if Evolution is using postfix sendmail, and not the old sendmail? Can both sendmails be installed at the same time?
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[06:39:35] <mwalling> shone
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[06:39:58] <lat> I found the answer. I opened the binary /usr/sbin/sendmail with emacs, and it is the postfix sendmail.
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[07:05:01] <lat> My legitimate e-mail is getting flagged as spam because the originating from and reply-to addresses are different. Is there some way to overcome this?
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[08:10:28] <cgibin> ?? RCPT
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[08:16:48] <lat> From some web pages I've just read, it seems that I'm going to have to purchase a domain name to keep my email from being flagged as spam. Is this correct?
[08:17:45] <internat1> err
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[08:47:22] <cgibin> due to relay=none i m getting this message NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT
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[10:42:52] <RedShift> hi
[10:43:00] <RedShift> is there some lookup table test tool or something?
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[10:47:57] <sahil> RedShift: yes.
[10:48:08] <sahil> RedShift: man postmap
[10:50:00] <RedShift> oh cool
[10:50:04] <RedShift> thanks
[10:51:01] <sahil> RedShift: np; i think you are looking specifically for the -q flag, but do read the entire man page; it is short and instructive.
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[10:51:07] <sahil> good luck.
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[12:45:03] <Zonei> Hi all! I am looking for a good Postfix tutorial for complete MTA newbs. Something which would allow me to setup postfix starting from empty main.cf config file. Any links?
[12:46:01] <Signum> !basic
[12:46:02] <knoba> Signum: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[12:46:52] <Zonei> knoba: I've read that, thanks, but that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a tutorial taht would help me configure Postfix from scratch. If tehre is such a thing at all.
[12:47:04] <Zonei> uh... I mean Signum. :)
[12:48:06] <Signum> Zonei: Postfix has certain defaults. So even an empty main.cf would mean certain things already set.
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[12:48:12] <Signum> Zonei: "postconf -d" shows you the defaults.
[12:48:59] <Signum> Zonei: So you should dig through the settings (man 5 postconf) and see how you'd like them configured.
[12:49:25] <Zonei> Signum: so I guess I can start with empty main.cf and copy item by item, lookup in the manual what it's for and set to desired value?
[12:49:34] <Zonei> copy from output of postconf -d
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[12:49:56] <Signum> Zonei: Yes. Although I'd personally rather take the distributed main.cf and look up the meanings of each line.
[12:50:13] <Signum> Zonei: Otherwise you might miss important settings that are not default but still vital to a proper operation.
[12:50:50] <Zonei> Signum: yeah, but I'm on Opensuse and it came with slightly messed up main.cf, and I'd rather install it as package than from source. Meaning, I have to scrape main.cf and start over.
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[12:52:22] <Signum> Zonei: You should find the original main.cf in something like /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist
[12:53:09] <Zonei> Signum: it's not there, but I'm searching for it right now
[12:53:31] <Signum> Zonei: otherwise get the original tarball from www.postfix.org and get it from there
[12:53:55] <Zonei> Seems I'll have to, since I don't have it on the system. Thanks.
[12:59:17] <Zonei> Signum: there's only main.cf in the tarball's conf dir, I suppose that's it? I mean, no main.cf.dist
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[13:05:57] <Signum> yes
[13:09:29] <Zonei> k, thanks
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[13:58:30] <night_time> hi, when I send an email from gmail to my mail server, I get this error returned:"PERM_FAILURE: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 553 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) (state 14)." http://pastie.org/237364
[14:00:36] <Signum> night_time: check your own logs for the real cause
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[14:02:10] <night_time> this file? /var/log/mail.log
[14:04:53] <Signum> yes
[14:07:48] <Zonei> Uhm, a question. If I am having signle-domain MTA, but I want virtual mailboxes (ie. not unix users), do I still have to use virtual hosting setup for Postfix?
[14:09:38] <night_time> I found this looks interesting: http://pastie.org/237365
[14:12:06] <Signum> night_time: exactly. and a good explanation from postfix, too
[14:13:11] <Signum> Zonei: either that or you just use /etc/aliases if you are on the same domain
[14:13:45] <night_time> ?Signum: right but I followed the workaround tutorial step by step, the error in the log is clear but I don't know what to do
[14:14:09] <Zonei> Signum: aliases? I want separate mailboxes, separate mail accounts for separate people who don't have unix usernames on the machine, but all for the same domain. Can I do that with aliases?
[14:15:04] <Signum> night_time: I'm pretty familiar with the workaround.org tutorial :) and I'd say you borked the smtpd_recipient_restrictions definition - check you main.cf
[14:15:22] <Signum> Zonei: ah, no. then you'll have to use a virtual domain with virtual users.
[14:15:29] <Signum> Zonei: but it's way less painful than you probably imagine.
[14:15:53] <Zonei> Signum: yeah, I'm looking at the docs, it's not that complicated at all. :)
[14:29:28] <night_time> ?Signum: I double checked my conf but couldn't figure out where is my mistake. All I know is that everything was working just fine until I added new users and aliases to the database, I don't remember that I modified the conf
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[14:42:29] <adaptr> night_time: the error is ultra-clear, you are refusing the recipient domain Google wants to send to
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[14:46:19] <night_time> ?adaptr: sorry for the stupid question, how I'm refusing the recipient domain, I mean in which line !
[14:49:52] <adaptr> who knows ? learn how to configure postfix, I guess
[14:50:11] <adaptr> there are a number of places where you define acceptable domains
[14:50:18] <adaptr> it could be either one of those
[14:50:32] <adaptr> or, as Signum said, you could have screwed up your restrictions
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[14:59:31] <Signum> night_time: run "postconf smtpd_recipient_restrictions" and you'll probably see that postfix is right
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[17:40:08] <cgibin> morning
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[17:43:01] <cgibin> Q: sending email to mx.dom.com works however sending to dom.com doesnt relay doesnt know dom.com exists. i try inputin myhost mydom still didnt pickup i m not sure
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[17:44:10] <cgibin> lookin at the zone file looks right i try using @ then mx.dom.com still didnt work,
[17:45:25] <shasta> !basic
[17:45:25] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:46:32] <cgibin> been their, thought to ask here see what i can come up with
[17:46:59] <cgibin> sending email name at mx dot dom.com it says  relay=local
[17:47:18] <cgibin> however sending email to name at dom dot com doesnt
[17:47:31] <mwalling> !basic
[17:47:31] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:47:47] <shasta> !mydestination
[17:47:48] <knoba> shasta: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[17:48:53] <cgibin> mydestination looks right i got the inputs in their with domain name
[17:50:53] <shasta> sorry, the language barrier is too big
[17:54:35] <adaptr> it's the Great Language Barrier of China!
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[18:10:03] <sahil> shasta: lol
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[18:10:44] * thumbs blames adaptr
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[18:12:31] <cgibin> not sure, now i get this message, said: 421-:  (RLY:NW)
[18:13:03] <cgibin> does it have a limit?
[18:17:55] <cgibin> all this infos you guys gave me i went their sow it, whats next
[18:18:13] <cgibin> i went their before i came here
[18:18:22] <mwalling> !basic
[18:18:22] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:18:28] <cgibin> stop that
[18:18:29] <mwalling> !debug
[18:18:29] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[18:18:45] <mwalling> satasfied customer
[18:18:58] <hparker> !mwalling
[18:18:59] <knoba> hparker: "mwalling" : an alternative !basic factoid reciting bot for newly joined channel users
[18:19:10] <hparker> !hparker
[18:19:10] <knoba> hparker: "hparker" : is a shining example of chivalry and champaign (but still b0rk3n)
[18:19:23] <thumbs> !adaptr
[18:19:24] <knoba> thumbs: "adaptr" : a small shell script that floods the channel with factoids
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[18:19:37] <hparker> lol
[18:19:42] <thumbs> hahahaha
[18:19:45] <hparker> hadn't seen that one yet
[18:19:48] <mwalling> !rob0
[18:19:48] <knoba> mwalling: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[18:19:52] <mwalling> !dominian
[18:19:53] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "dominian" is not a valid command.
[18:20:02] <mwalling> ? he must have deleted his factoid
[18:20:13] <hparker> fix it for him ;)
[18:20:41] <thumbs> !thumbs
[18:20:41] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "thumbs" is not a valid command.
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[18:33:11] <roe___> so here is an interesting issue.  we are using postfix, courier-imap, ldap (for user), every user is working fine, save one.  This user can send email (authenitcated) with out a problem but for some reason her maildir is not being served to her (neither by webmail nor thunderbird).  There is no error in the logs, authdaemond returns fine.
[18:34:16] <Zonei> I'm trying to figure out why I get this error when I send an email to my newly setup postfix server (I'm a MTA newb), to account test at mydomain dot com:    "unable to create lock file /var/mail/vhosts/mydomain.com/test.lock: Permission denied"
[18:34:58] <mwalling> roe___: sounds like a courier issue
[18:35:19] <mwalling> !basic
[18:35:20] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:35:23] <mwalling> Zonei: ^^
[18:35:45] <roe___> mwalling: actually i think it is an LDAP problem, as there is nothing user specific in the imap configuration
[18:36:10] <Zonei> mwalling: that document, however, does not say what the format of virtual mailboxes should be, ie what is directory, what is file, what are permissions required, etc...
[18:36:21] <mwalling> !virtual
[18:36:21] <knoba> mwalling: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[18:36:22] <roe___> !virtual
[18:36:23] <knoba> roe___: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[18:36:27] <mwalling> roe___: i win
[18:36:27] <roe___> ha
[18:37:29] <Zonei> also, VIRTUAL_README does not say what the format of virtual mailboxes is, permissions, etc...
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[18:40:52] <mwalling> hmm... i just browsed the BASIC_README, and it describes a method to check for proper permissions...
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[18:42:56] <roe___> Zonei if you need a little bit more hands on info, howtoforge.com has some walkthroughs for virtual setups
[18:42:57] <GMFlash> hello. i'm moving my mail server and want to reject all incoming mail to the old server. i couldn't find a config directive for something like that. any clues?
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[18:43:23] <roe___> GMFlash, stop postfix?
[18:43:38] <GMFlash> roe___: can't do that yet. i still need to send mail out form it
[18:43:40] <GMFlash> from it
[18:43:44] <Zonei> mwalling: where?
[18:43:51] <Zonei> roe___: I'll take a look, thanks! :)
[18:43:52] <GMFlash> until i migrate a few apps that are using it
[18:44:02] <roe___> then remove all entries from mydestinations
[18:44:06] <roe___> !mydestination
[18:44:06] <knoba> roe___: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[18:45:56] <marcin__> Hello. Can someone help me? I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Here is a log: http://pastebin.com/d6b7f0880
[18:45:56] <GMFlash> good idea. thanks roe___
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[19:55:57] <larsemil> my postfix is delivering my emails, but not to the maildir i want but to a mbox named 1. where to look for this?
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[19:57:29] <adaptr> !mailbox_command
[19:57:29] <knoba> adaptr: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[19:58:30] <larsemil> knoba: i have no such setting
[19:59:27] <pickcoder> postconf mailbox_command will show your current setting
[19:59:40] <larsemil> my main.cf works perfectly on a postfix 2.3.1 but not on a 2.5.8
[19:59:41] <pickcoder> which is probably blank (default)
[20:00:05] <adaptr> yeah, sorry, you need
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[20:00:40] <adaptr> !home_mailbox
[20:00:40] <knoba> adaptr: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[20:00:55] <adaptr> damned gazillion options
[20:01:20] <pickcoder> heh
[20:01:22] <larsemil> but is there a lot of changes from 2.3.1 to 2.5.8 on how the main.cf should be
[20:02:50] <adaptr> the changes are mostly in TLS and SSL
[20:03:11] <adaptr> and there's a few additions, ie.e. new, i.e. not requiring any changes in your  current config
[20:03:25] <adaptr> just run it, it will tell you
[20:03:32] <pickcoder> where is 2.5.8???
[20:03:33] <larsemil> i have virtual users
[20:03:40] <pickcoder> I can only find 2.5.3
[20:03:58] <Zonei> Help please, I've added an entry in vmailbox using maildir format (extra / at the end), restarted the server etc, but I still get error for this mailbox, expecting file, not directory.... ?
[20:04:11] <devdas> Zonei: from what?
[20:05:03] <Zonei> devdas: when sending test email to that account
[20:05:13] <Zonei> devdas: the error comes from virtual daemon
[20:06:31] <larsemil> adaptr: but i do have: virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail
[20:06:37] <pickcoder> Zonei: make sure the target mailbox isn't a current directory
[20:06:52] <Zonei> pickcoder: what do you mean?
[20:07:16] <pickcoder> mail to "blah" does have /vmailbox/blah/
[20:07:23] <pickcoder> s/does/doesn't
[20:07:48] <Zonei> pickcoder: wait, I must remove the blah directory? (if the email is blah at example dot com)
[20:07:53] <pickcoder> er.. it should have a blah dir
[20:08:05] <pickcoder> inbox (or whatever) isn't a dir
[20:08:31] <Zonei> so what is maildir, a file or directory?
[20:08:38] <larsemil> a directory
[20:08:39] <pickcoder> maildir is a set of files in a dir
[20:08:44] <adaptr> no
[20:08:55] <pickcoder> eh?
[20:08:56] <adaptr> it is a directory structure with specific permissions and pre-defined subdirectories
[20:09:02] <adaptr> but it is definitely ONE directory
[20:09:06] <pickcoder> it's always files on my box
[20:09:10] <Zonei> ok, and if my email is test at example dot com, and the dir assigned is /var/mail/vhosts/example.com/test, is that ok?
[20:09:12] <pickcoder> under the user dir
[20:09:23] <devdas> pickcoder: no
[20:09:26] <adaptr> pickcoder: oh come on... mailDIR
[20:09:31] <pickcoder> seriously..
[20:09:34] <devdas> One file per message, in a fixed directory structure
[20:09:35] <pickcoder> inbox is a file
[20:09:43] <adaptr> not in a maildir
[20:09:43] <devdas> inbox is NOT a file in maildir
[20:09:52] <pickcoder> then I guess it's screwed up
[20:09:58] <devdas>  /var/mail/vhosts/example.com/test/
[20:09:59] <adaptr> no, you're just not using maildirs
[20:10:05] <devdas> @ Zonei
[20:10:09] <pickcoder> I am for IMAP
[20:10:10] <adaptr> if you thought you were - ha ha
[20:10:13] <pickcoder> combined with pop
[20:10:25] <adaptr> "IMAP combined with pop" ?
[20:10:33] <Zonei> devdas: yes, test should be a dir, right?
[20:10:35] <adaptr> you're getting further afield
[20:10:47] <pickcoder> *sigh*
[20:10:50] <pickcoder> never mind
[20:10:58] <larsemil> if i'd post my main.cf could you have a look on why its using mbox instead of maildir? the same main.cf is working on another server
[20:11:00] * pickcoder mutters about IMAP
[20:11:22] <Zonei> devdas and this is the entry in vmailbox:    test at example dot com  example.com/test/
[20:11:46] <pickcoder> Zonei: is smtpd chrooted in master.cf?
[20:12:12] <Zonei> pickcoder: no, but this works if test is a file, not a dir
[20:12:21] <pickcoder> ok
[20:12:24] <Zonei> even though I have trailing slash in vmailbox file
[20:12:34] <Zonei> I am missing something, right?
[20:12:53] <larsemil> http://www.pastebin.ca/1077686 <-- any guess on why its using mbox insted of maildir?
[20:12:59] <devdas> Zonei: test with postmap -q?
[20:13:08] <devdas> larsemil: lack of trailing  / ?
[20:13:35] <sysmonk> everyone has the same trouble?
[20:13:36] <sysmonk> ;))
[20:14:01] <pickcoder> larsemil: it's in MySQL so how can we tell anything about the mailbox maps
[20:14:23] <Zonei> devdas: hmmm.... warning database XXX is older than source file XXX . ?
[20:14:25] <larsemil> devdas: what does that mean?
[20:14:37] <sysmonk> pickcoder: can't you read his minds, get the servers user/password, connect to it, get from his minds mysql's user/password and take a look?!
[20:14:44] <devdas> Zonei: you need to run postmap on the file then?
[20:14:49] <Zonei> devdas: did, several times
[20:14:54] <Zonei> and restarted, and rebooted
[20:14:54] <pickcoder> sysmonk: /dev/mind_meld is broken
[20:15:03] <pickcoder> Zonei: postmap all of your postfix maps
[20:15:18] <devdas> Zonei: the .db file was created before the flat file was last edited
[20:15:22] <sysmonk> pickcoder: restart your devfs
[20:15:47] <Zonei> devdas: ok, and when I issue postmap /etc/postfix/vmailbox shouldn't that change?
[20:15:53] <pickcoder> I think it's FAM that's causing the problem...
[20:17:05] * hparker checks on his fam... seems ok
[20:17:15] <Zonei> devdas, pickcoder ok, for some reason, I was postmapping wrong file.............. gah, thanks for helping me!
[20:17:18] <larsemil> pickcoder: there is nothing in mysql about mbox or maildir
[20:17:19] <devdas> Zonei: yes
[20:17:30] <pickcoder> larsemil: well that could be a problem then
[20:17:43] <devdas> larsemil: the path to the virtual_mailbox_maps entry must end in a /
[20:18:03] <pickcoder> [and exist in the field specified by the query in the mailbox cf]
[20:18:12] <Zonei> pickcoder: anyways, it's a dir, if there's any doubt left :)
[20:18:28] <pickcoder> the only thing to doubt is whether or not I'm using maildir
[20:18:33] <pickcoder> :P
[20:19:14] <Zonei> pickcoder: yeah, that troubled me because I thought I set it as maildir, but postmapped wrong file
[20:19:37] <Zonei> it's documentation's fault, I was following it blindly and not thinking straight...
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[20:19:43] <Zonei> postmapped virtual instead of vmailbox
[20:19:48] <Zonei> :)
[20:20:00] <sysmonk> Zonei: yeah, blame it all on documentation
[20:20:06] <Zonei> sysmonk: ;)
[20:20:30] <dembug> lol
[20:20:44] <sysmonk> and if you're hdd will break, come here and start crying that documentation didn't say that postfix won't work on a broken harddrive
[20:21:17] * sysmonk tries to remember who out here uses freebsd
[20:21:27] * sysmonk greps teh logs
[20:21:31] <larsemil> devdas: virtual_mailbox_maps is pointing to a file. you sure you dont mean virtual_mailbox_base ??
[20:21:38] <dembug> only for routers ;p
[20:21:49] <pickcoder> larsemil: look at the database type...
[20:21:53] <pickcoder> before the :
[20:21:55] <devdas> no
[20:22:31] <devdas> sysmonk: what do you need?
[20:22:37] <larsemil> devdas pickcoder: so it should be virtual_mailbox_base mysql:/this/is/a/file.cf/
[20:22:53] <sysmonk> devdas: ff3 on freebsd
[20:22:58] <devdas> no
[20:23:27] <devdas> postmap -q foo at example dot com mysql:/path/to/virtual_mailbox_maps should return
[20:23:40] <Zonei> one more thing before I wrap this up as a lesson learned. I set up UID and GUID at static:51 which is postfix user's uid/guid on my OS. Is that ok? And I chowned all relevant maildirs to postfix:root.
[20:23:44] <devdas>  example.com/foo/ <=== note trailing /
[20:23:56] <devdas> where foo at example dot com is an address on yuor system
[20:24:02] <devdas> Zonei: bad idea
[20:24:09] <devdas> Use a dedicated virtual user
[20:24:40] <Zonei> devdas: you mean, another which is not postfix, nor any of the related daemons?
[20:26:03] <larsemil> devdas: it returnes 1 for me...
[20:28:52] <larsemil> larsemil@server2:/etc/postfix$ sudo postmap -q ogg at panthouse dot se mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf 1
[20:29:29] <devdas> right Zonei
[20:29:40] <Zonei> devdas: k, I understand
[20:30:04] <devdas>  /usr/sbin/postmap -q ogg at panthouse dot se mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf
[20:30:09] <devdas> what does that print?
[20:30:23] <larsemil> devdas: 1
[20:30:48] <devdas> larsemil: that's broken
[20:31:00] <devdas> it should print the path to the maildir
[20:31:02] <larsemil> devdas: actually according to some googling its not
[20:31:09] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_base
[20:31:09] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
[20:31:29] <sysmonk> larsemil: bad googling then it is :)
[20:31:32] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[20:31:33] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[20:31:36] <rob0> !google
[20:31:37] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[20:33:43] <larsemil> devdas: http://www.pastebin.ca/1077706 <-- that is my mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf
[20:34:05] <rob0> "I set up UID and GUID at static:51 which is postfix user's uid/guid on my OS. Is that ok?" No, not at all. Use a different UID/GID.
[20:34:29] <sysmonk> rob0: that one was answered already
[20:34:45] <rob0> ah I see now
[20:35:27] <sysmonk> rob0: don't try to look smart by re-answering the question! :)
[20:35:41] <rob0> I don't look smart!
[20:37:49] <larsemil> http://www.pastebin.ca/1077706 <-- that is my mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf, could anyone have a look?
[20:38:42] <pickcoder> larsemil: what's in field "1" for view_users where email is the user?
[20:39:08] <sysmonk> pickcoder: 1 is 1
[20:39:30] <pickcoder> I thought A was 1
[20:40:13] <larsemil> pickcoder: first field is emailadress
[20:40:38] <sysmonk> pickcoder: i mean, mysql doesn't have field 1
[20:40:48] <pickcoder> sysmonk: ding ding!
[20:40:50] <sysmonk> and if it had, youd have to escape '1' to get it
[20:40:56] <sysmonk> ?
[20:41:10] <pickcoder> it should be something like "mailpath" instead of 1
[20:41:20] <pickcoder> and mailpath should be a field in view_users that contains the maildir path
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[20:43:50] <larsemil> i see
[20:43:51] <larsemil> thanks
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[20:50:43] <rob0> (The maildir path, relative to virtual_mailbox_base of course.)
[20:54:35] <larsemil> pickcoder: allthough on the server where i have it working it also returns 1. :D
[21:01:26] <sahil> hola.
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[21:50:29] <nikosaei> hi from greece can someone help me
[21:50:29] <nikosaei> ?
[21:51:05] <devdas> nikosaei: with?
[21:51:26] <nikosaei> i need to implement vacation
[21:51:46] <nikosaei> into postfix but i have a virtual domain and users with mysql
[21:52:29] <nikosaei> I tried to do everything but nothing worked
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[21:58:55] <devdas> !jamm
[21:58:56] <knoba> devdas: Error: "jamm" is not a valid command.
[21:58:59] <devdas> hmmm
[21:59:08] <devdas> Search for Jamm or virtual-vacation
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[22:38:50] <_trn> Hello. I'm trying to set up postfix for an receive email for virtual ALIASES *only*
[22:39:21] <_trn> so with no mydestination. an address is valid only if listed in the virtual_alias_maps table
[22:39:27] <_trn> So I'm trying with:
[22:39:39] <_trn> virtual_alias_domains = mydomain.net
[22:39:44] <_trn> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[22:40:00] <_trn>  /etc/postfix/virtual cointains something like:
[22:40:17] <_trn> info at mydomain dot net joe
[22:40:23] <_trn> where 'joe' is a local
[22:40:26] <_trn> where 'joe' is a local UNIX system accoun t
[22:41:37] <_trn> But something goes wrong: postfix doesn't try to delived mail sent to "info at mydomain dot net" to 'joe', but appends to joe $myhostname and tryed to delived the email there
[22:41:47] <_trn> and it doesn't work :(
[22:41:53] <_trn> What could  it be?
[22:43:09] <_trn> well, it appends $myorigin, not $myhostname
[22:43:35] <sysmonk> which is by default myhostname
[22:43:41] <sysmonk> which is in mydestinations, by default
[22:43:49] <sysmonk> which, by default, should deliver it to local user joe
[22:44:18] <sysmonk> so, you did something with your defaults
[22:44:30] <_trn> my $mydestination is empty
[22:44:38] <sysmonk> why?
[22:44:48] <_trn> because I want virtual addresses only!
[22:45:07] <sysmonk> but your postfix has to know what emails should it accept LOCALY
[22:45:26] <_trn> I understand.
[22:45:27] <sysmonk> that is, with local delivery agent
[22:45:42] <sysmonk> it has to have atleast one domain for it to accept email with local delivery agent
[22:45:53] <_trn> but is there any way to achieve what I want? (beside using virtual mailboxes)
[22:46:09] <sysmonk> err
[22:46:15] <sysmonk> _trn: yeah, set mydestination to something
[22:46:27] <sysmonk> i.e. to your fqdn
[22:46:45] <_trn> but if I set mydestination to something I automatically "create" addresses like joe@my_fqdn
[22:47:02] <_trn> and I don't want to...
[22:47:04] <sysmonk> yeah, but it doesn't mean that you can't reject those emails in smtp stage
[22:47:05] <sysmonk> right?
[22:47:05] <sysmonk> ;)
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[22:48:35] <_trn> well, I can, yes. but this makes impossible to use my fqdn at all (i.e. with a virtual alias)
[22:48:48] <sysmonk> so give it some other domain
[22:48:50] <_trn> I could use something like localhost.myfqdn as mydestination
[22:48:51] <sysmonk> i.e. localhost
[22:49:08] <_trn> ok. well, I get the point. thank you
[22:49:21] <sysmonk> _trn: or will you want to use localhost in your virtual_aliases ?
[22:49:41] <_trn> what if I want it?
[22:49:47] <_trn> is there a better solution?
[22:49:51] <sysmonk> then you're doomed
[22:50:38] <_trn> ok :)
[22:50:43] <sysmonk> you could change local_maps to nothing
[22:51:33] <sysmonk> hm, but still, it wouldn't help
[22:52:12] <sysmonk> unless you'd transport all those mails to another smtpd instance which listens on localhost:some_port, and has the local domain in mydestination
[22:52:21] <sysmonk> and woudln't do any rewrites, just deliver it
[22:52:41] <sysmonk> but still, i don't think you need that... and if you do - i don't know why do you need that
[22:54:12] <_trn> In fact, I think I don't need that. I'll set mydestination to something. Maybe 'localhost' is a good idea. No address is exposed, but users, if they want, can write email to their usename@localhost even if no virtual address is associated with that
[22:54:45] <_trn> the idea seems not so bad...
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[22:55:14] <sysmonk> so you DO want to accept mail to username@localhost?!
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[22:57:08] <_trn> well, no. but if an user, from the box itself, tryes to write an email to otheruser@localhost and it works, it ok for me.
[22:57:23] <_trn> is there something WRONG in accepting mail to username@localhost?
[22:57:50] <sysmonk> nah, just i thought you don't want to be able to receive email that way
[23:01:41] <_trn> so I should set mydestination = localhost
[23:01:45] <_trn> AND myorigin = localhost
[23:02:25] <_trn> is that right? or I could also put lines like 'info@myvirtualdomain joe@localhost' in the virtual_alias map
[23:02:36] <_trn> what do you think is better to do?
[23:02:55] <sysmonk> _trn: doesn't matter, both will do the same
[23:09:04] <_trn> settimg $myorigin to localhost seems to get $myorigin.$mydomain appended. I'm trying to set $mydestination to localhost.$mydomain...
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[23:12:23] <_trn> it seems to work
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[23:25:06] <Zonei> How can I purge the deferred queue?
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[23:25:36] <sysmonk> um, purge?
[23:25:50] <Zonei> sysmonk: yeah, empty it
[23:26:06] <sysmonk> requeue, or empty?
[23:26:10] <Zonei> empty
[23:27:39] <shasta> man postsuper
[23:28:12] <Zonei> shasta: that's it, thanks.
[23:28:32] <sysmonk> purging is bad :P
[23:28:52] <Zonei> sysmonk: not when you test the thing with test at test dot com and it's now trying to talk back to the sender... :)
[23:29:00] <sysmonk> Zonei: ah :)
[23:29:02] <sysmonk> then yeah
[23:30:01] <Zonei> then there's the noreply.com anecdote....
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[23:37:46] <Zikey> Hi, how can i add a domain alias ? I'd like any mail to user1 at domain1 dot com be forwarded to user1 at domain2 dot com.
[23:38:14] <Zikey> of course user1 is any possible user
[23:43:54] <_trn> http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[23:44:01] <Zikey> thx !
[23:44:10] <_trn> the approach is 'by example' and easy to follow
[23:44:31] <sysmonk> and is wrong, mostly :)
[23:46:14] <_trn> really? can you point me an error?
[23:46:27] <_trn> I trust you, of course. I'm just curious
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[23:49:38] <sysmonk> _trn: @domain.com -> @domain2.com alias'es suck
[23:49:50] <sysmonk> because, if you email user1 at domain dot com it will rewrite to user1 at domain2 dot com
[23:49:51] <sysmonk> that's allright
[23:50:14] <sysmonk> but, if you'll email nonexistantuser at domain dot com it will rewrite it to nonexistantuser at domain2 dot com
[23:50:24] <sysmonk> and accept the email, although the user doesn't exist
[23:50:48] <sysmonk> which will eventually end with a bounce
[23:50:52] <sysmonk> which is backscatter
[23:50:58] <sysmonk> and backscatter is bad
[23:51:50] <mwalling> sysmonk: it will?
[23:52:14] * mwalling points to @dontlike.us -> @you.dontlike.us
[23:52:57] <sysmonk> mwalling: won't it?
[23:53:05] <mwalling> try it
[23:53:13] <sysmonk> afaik it did
[23:53:14] <mwalling> mwalling at dontlike dot us
[23:53:30] <mwalling> and nonexistant at dontlike dot us
[23:53:43] <_trn> i think it will, as I can't see how can it know that user@domain2 (which can be a remote domain) does not exist...
[23:54:08] <sysmonk> mwalling: it did
[23:54:15] <sysmonk> unless you have blah at dontlike dot us :)
[23:54:35] <sysmonk> and blah231kl at dontlike dot us
[23:54:36] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:54:42] <sysmonk> <-  250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as CB44C227F4
[23:54:53] <sysmonk> mwalling: check your logs
[23:54:58] <mwalling> huh
[23:54:59] <_trn> I tryed too
[23:55:02] <_trn> and it accepted it
[23:55:12] <sysmonk> mwalling: backscatter source!!!!
[23:55:26] * sysmonk emails spmahaus, spamcop, abuseat.org and others
[23:55:26] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:56:03] <sysmonk> <** 550 5.1.1 <blah231kl at you dot dontlike.us>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[23:56:33] <sysmonk> so, as i said, dontlike.us accepts it cause it's a domain alias, and you.dontlike.us doesn't accept it, as it's the real domain and doesn't alias it to some other domain
[23:56:51] <mwalling> i thought i tried it at one time and it worked
[23:57:02] <mwalling> maybe amavis is screwing it up?
[23:57:02] <sysmonk> welcome to the club :P
[23:57:06] <sysmonk> nope
[23:57:20] <sysmonk> mwalling: it's the way postfix works
[23:57:28] <shasta> ohmy ;)
[23:57:36] <mwalling> blarg
[23:57:55] <sysmonk> if you have hash tables, make all aliases specific
[23:58:01] <sysmonk> (you don't manage them by hand, do you!?)
[23:58:17] <mwalling> postfixadmin
[23:58:22] <sysmonk> and if it's in sql - make a query which will fix it
[23:58:36] <mwalling> i should just add dontlike.us to mydestination
[23:58:45] <mwalling> infact, i'm going to do that now
[23:58:47] <sysmonk> blah, don't use postfixadmin so i don't know it, sorry
[23:59:04] <sysmonk> mwalling: and rehmove it from aliases! :)
[23:59:12] <mwalling> ja





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