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[00:08:32] <dothebart> good morning..
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[00:08:53] <dothebart> i'm seaching for some wisdom on a bug found over at M$ exchange...
[00:09:30] <dothebart> is there some RFC demanding that an mx should try to connect the next MX in sequence if it gets an 4xx from the one its talking to?
[00:09:41] <dothebart> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303889
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[00:57:51] <Trengo> is there an smtpd_sender_restriction to check if the sender doesnt exist, when the domain is local?
[00:57:55] <Trengo> or something?
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[00:59:49] <xpoint> reject_unlisted_sender
[00:59:58] <Trengo> xpoint thanks ;)
[01:00:08] <xpoint> np
[01:00:59] <xpoint> i have reject_unlisted_recipient in smtpd_client_restriction :-)
[01:01:49] <xpoint> its saves some tempfails with helo and client hostnames when recipient is not found
[01:03:42] <Trengo> thanks again :)
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[04:12:26] <aaahhh> http://pastebin.com/m43cf93a4
[04:12:39] <aaahhh> i need help with preventing my server from backscattering
[04:14:13] <aaahhh> im running 2.3.3
[04:14:45] <aaahhh> i thought my settings were correct but the server still appears on the backscattering list
[04:17:07] <higuita> aaahhh: in the end of your smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
[04:17:17] <higuita> add this instead of permit
[04:17:41] <higuita>         permit_auth_destination,  permit_mx_backup,  reject
[04:18:51] <aaahhh> k thanks
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[04:19:54] <higuita> i also reject unknown domains, non fqdn sender and recipients even before or mynetworks... i dont want incomplete or non-existent domains in my server, not even from my users, they must learn how to proper send emails
[04:20:00] <KineticBug> What could be causing this http://privatepaste.com/ea1HIgy8zd ? I'm trying to remove postfix and reinstall it
[04:21:29] <higuita> KineticBug: simplt comment out the inet_...=all  entry, that is the default
[04:21:42] <higuita> s/simplt/simply/
[04:22:57] <mwalling> !basic
[04:22:58] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[04:42:50] <amason_> hi guys, which map do i need to look / change if i want all mail for a particular domain to go to another mail server and then everything else to use the normal lookup
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[04:51:02] <Dominian> !transport
[04:51:02] <knoba> Dominian: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[04:55:01] <amason_> thank you
[04:57:18] <Dominian> np
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[05:03:30] <amason_> Dominian: so if this transport map file doesn't exist i create it using .foodomain.com smtp:mx1.bar.com:25 and then set relay_transport=mytransportmap  in main.cf ?
[05:04:19] <amason_> then set relay_domains = bar.com ?
[05:04:33] <Dominian> aye
[05:04:51] <amason_> sweet. postfix is cool :)
[05:05:29] <Dominian> heh
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[05:16:44] <amason_> Dominian: it doesn't seem to be paying attention to the transport map it delivers it locally
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[05:18:15] <Dominian> amason_: Did you do: postmap /path/to/transport
[05:19:21] <amason_> Dominian: no, i restarted postfx though. do i still need to do that ?
[05:19:26] <Dominian> yes
[05:19:39] <Dominian> when working with transport maps... when they change.. you do: postmap /path/to/transport
[05:19:42] <Dominian> that will create transport.db
[05:19:48] <Dominian> and automatically tell postfix it changed
[05:19:56] <Dominian> so anytime you make a change to transport you have to do the postmap
[05:20:54] <amason_> ok i've done that. it still picks relay=local in /var/log/mail.log
[05:21:32] <amason_> do i need to set anything else ? or do i need to change the relay_transport = mytransportmap.db instead of just mytransportmap ?
[05:24:28] <Dominian> er..
[05:24:43] <Dominian> I don't set relay_transport
[05:24:57] <Dominian> just set: transport_maps = /path/to/transport
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[05:37:47] <amason_> i now get fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "/etc/postfix/relaytransportmap"
[05:38:19] <Dominian> oh
[05:38:20] <Dominian> hmm
[05:38:34] <Dominian> sorry yeah.. relay-transport is correct hang on
[05:39:12] <Dominian> weird
[05:39:15] <Dominian> never used that param
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[05:47:22] <amason_> Domain do you think maybe i need static: infront of it
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[05:47:44] <amason_> static:/etc/postfix/mytransportmap
[05:47:56] <amason_> something like that to get it picked up ?
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[06:49:04] <stony> morning
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[08:40:15] <aszlig> hullo
[08:41:20] <aszlig> anyone know of a irc channel about dkim and domainkeys?
[08:41:45] <aszlig> or at least someone who knows of a good non-perl library that implements both dk and dkim?
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[08:42:18] <aszlig> tried libdkim from alt-n but it just implements dkim
[08:42:33] <aszlig> or maybe i'm just confused and someone wants to clarify it? :-D
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[08:48:11] <milligan> Eep. My server has been abused for spamming. I have no open relays, so I'm a bit stumped on how it has happened. What's most likely? A hacked account, and that account has done all the spamming ?
[08:48:51] <aszlig> hm, what does your log tell you about the origination?
[08:49:04] <aszlig> origin
[08:50:55] <aszlig> whew 183 people in here and almost all idle :-D
[08:51:06] <milligan> ah, shit, I know where it's coming from
[08:51:13] <aszlig> :-D
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[08:56:04] <lennard> a broken webapp? :P
[08:56:45] <aszlig> most likely
[08:57:20] <aszlig> that's spammer's favourite target, i think
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[08:58:27] <milligan> yeah, it was. I have a free service ... and some fucker made lots of accounts and used them for spamming
[09:02:43] <aszlig> ah, one thing to add to my question(s): is it even necessary to sign mails with DK anymore? or do the most big providers still use DK without DKIM?
[09:04:17] <aszlig> or would you even suggest using DK, DKIM and SPF for sending out mass newsletters?
[09:04:29] <aszlig> GPG signing is already done
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[09:05:09] <aszlig> maybe all these signing thingies could collide?
[09:06:35] <aszlig> haven't done much research regarding SPF yet, so i don't really know
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[11:40:02] <Bobobobobobo> http://tinyurl.com/ads912
[11:40:56] <Trengo> wtf?
[11:41:26] <Trengo> Bobobobobobo is that one of those point per click thingies?
[11:41:42] <Bobobobobobo> Yeps, thanks for clicking if you did, lol
[11:42:17] <Trengo> yes well you're also incompetent, it says no more points for you
[11:42:25] <Bobobobobobo> hm?
[11:42:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Trengo
[11:42:40] <f3ew> mind doing the honours?
[11:42:53] *** Trengo sets mode: +b Bobobobobobo!*@*
[11:43:00] *** Bobobobobobo was kicked by Trengo (byee!)
[11:43:05] <Trengo> thanks :)
[11:43:18] <f3ew> yw
[11:43:26] <f3ew> and don't click on tinmyurls
[11:43:31] <f3ew> tinyurls
[11:43:36] <Trengo> i'm shocked, i never thought anyone would do that here
[11:43:55] <Trengo> this is #postfix, is there no respect?
[11:44:11] <f3ew> no
[11:44:11] <UQlev> :)
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[11:46:37] <Trengo> f3ew you were on bind+dlz weren't you?
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[11:49:44] <f3ew> we still are
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[11:50:48] <Trengo> do you serve IPv6?
[11:51:00] <sysmonk> ajpivisixxxx
[11:51:09] <Trengo> we're moving to bind+dlz and IPv6 scares me
[11:51:18] <sysmonk> Trengo: in what way ?
[11:51:31] <sysmonk> i don't see what's in common with bind+dlz and ipv6
[11:51:37] <sysmonk> it's still the same bind, just a different backend
[11:51:56] <Trengo> sysmonk well, if i ask my server about a zone i dont have, it runs 48 queries and then comes back and says "i dont have it"
[11:52:27] <Trengo> i'm just wondering if there are any strategies regarding this
[11:52:47] <f3ew> no
[11:52:56] <f3ew> We are moving to PowerDNS though
[11:53:09] <f3ew> and why 48 queries?
[11:53:15] <sysmonk> Trengo: aren't the zones predefined ?
[11:53:25] <sysmonk> that is, defined that bind is responsible for teh zone
[11:53:43] <sysmonk> f3ew: ipv6 ptr's are 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0....in-addr.arpa6 :)
[11:55:41] <Trengo> yeah
[11:55:56] <Trengo> so it runs two queries for each of those
[11:56:40] <f3ew> sysmonk 16 octets
[11:56:41] <Trengo> so i will either run it on DB files, or from classic zone files
[11:56:48] <sysmonk> f3ew: why 16?
[11:57:00] <f3ew> 16 x 8 = 128
[11:57:30] <sysmonk> f3ew: where did you get the 8  from ?
[11:57:40] <f3ew> octet == 8 bit
[11:57:52] <sysmonk> eh, yeah, but i mean why octet? why do you count those ?
[11:57:55] <f3ew> IPv6 == 128 bits
[11:58:14] <f3ew> each . separates an octet
[11:58:19] <sysmonk> no
[11:58:23] <f3ew> No?
[11:58:26] <sysmonk> nope
[11:58:32] <shasta> yes
[11:58:44] <shasta> so it's 16x2 queries
[11:58:55] <f3ew> that's what I thought
[11:59:06] <shasta> and btw, sysmonk -- it's ip6.arpa
[11:59:20] <sysmonk> 1.8.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.9.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.
[11:59:24] <sysmonk> shasta: ye
[12:00:14] <shasta> 32
[12:00:17] <sysmonk> yup
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[12:13:56] <frubi> hi guys
[12:14:29] <sysmonk> no guys here, only girls
[12:14:44] <frubi> okay, hi girls ;)
[12:15:13] <sysmonk> frubi: hi thereeeee, btw, i wanted to ask, what lipstick do you use?
[12:15:50] <frubi> i have done a postfix setup as described in http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html (Supporting multiple ISP accounts in the Postfix SMTP client)
[12:16:01] * UQlev uses greese instead of lipstic
[12:17:00] <frubi> but i want, if a mail does not match any entry in sender_dependent_relayhost_maps, the mail should be bounced to the postmaster - is this possible?
[12:18:21] <f3ew> Hmmmm
[12:18:39] <f3ew> perhaps a policy daemon would work better?
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[14:15:32] <juice`> is there any way to set time for mails to stay in queue with dns error?
[14:16:39] <juice`> what i mean is, i get a lot of mails in queue with dns error, they stay in queue very long, i don't really want them
[14:16:39] <f3ew> bounce_queue_lifetime = 5d
[14:16:40] <f3ew> maximal_queue_lifetime = 5d
[14:16:51] <juice`> but this is for the whole queue
[14:17:07] <juice`> i want to seperate mails with dns error, and remove them faster than 5d
[14:17:40] <f3ew> nope
[14:18:13] <sysmonk> juice`: nope
[14:18:16] <sysmonk> juice`: but you can try to use reject_unknown_recipient_domain
[14:18:38] <juice`> that's a good idea
[14:18:42] <sysmonk> that way you'll won't have to queue mails with bad domains
[14:18:47] <sysmonk> that is, unexistant domains
[14:18:48] <juice`> great, thank you
[14:19:14] <juice`> (it's so hard to limit spammers, and i run free hosting, so i try every possible way to limit their spam)
[14:19:36] <sysmonk> yup, free email hosting, yum yum for spammers ;P
[14:20:04] <juice`> i have limits in php for mail() function, per hour per day and so on.. if i set it too low, users complain, if i set it too high, spamers are happy
[14:20:08] <juice`> constant battle :(
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[14:21:33] <juice`> on the other hand - i suppose php mail() function doesn't use postfix, right?
[14:21:35] <sysmonk> juice`: where can you set those limits?
[14:21:37] <sysmonk> didn't know you can at all
[14:21:45] <juice`> custom php patch
[14:22:07] <sysmonk> juice`: php mail() uses sendmail for injection, and postfix has a sendmail wrapper, so it uses postfix ( atleast it should ) but injects the mail directly
[14:22:26] <sysmonk> but, reject_unknown_recipient_domain won't work for injected mails
[14:22:38] <juice`> i see
[14:23:42] <juice`> do you know any other ways to limit mail() ?
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[14:26:56] <sysmonk> effective ways? :P not really
[14:27:03] <juice`> any ways :)
[14:27:31] <juice`> i will at least make life harder for them
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[14:37:19] <pinchartl> hi
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[14:39:22] <pinchartl> is there a way to set a limit to the number of outgoing smtp connections to the relay host ? a user in my network decided to send a mailing this morning, and the relay host complains about too many connections from a single IP
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[15:09:15] <E-bola> Can I ask postgrey related questions in here?
[15:10:26] <frubi> no
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[15:10:53] <rob0> only after a 5 minute delay
[15:11:22] <E-bola> hohoho
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[15:12:03] <f3ew> pinchartl see maxproc in master.cf, also smtp_destination_concurrency_limit
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[15:16:39] <pinchartl> thanks
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[15:52:36] <cedric3> hi when  i send a mail with long text i have this error Error: Error number 90112 (in reply to end of DATA command)
[15:52:42] <cedric3> if you can help me please thanks
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[15:53:47] <jimi_> Can someone recommend a peice of software to filter emails on keywords?
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[15:55:35] <rata> hi
[15:56:03] <cedric3> nobody idea?
[15:56:47] <rata> I am using postfix. I have a postfix server that have a transport that says "<domain>: smtp[machine-in-the-lan]"
[15:57:36] <rata> also i have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks (in other line) reject_unauth_destination (in other line) check_policy_service unix:private/postgrey
[15:59:00] <rata> And when i try to send a mail there, its being rejected with "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table". But that user exists in <machine-in-the-lan> (i tried connecting to <machine-in-the-lan> and send a mail to that address and it worked)
[15:59:25] <rata> before today, all was working. But i dont know what happend that things stop working. Anyone have an idea ?
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[16:00:55] <jra> just nitpicking: you have smtp:[machine] or smtp[machine] for the transport?
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[16:03:17] <rata> jra, smtp:[machine]
[16:03:54] <jra> ok... paste postconf -n somewhere?
[16:05:11] <rata> jra, http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/4276
[16:06:28] <rata> jra, any idea ? :)
[16:07:00] <rata> jra, I have the name, not the ip in the transport. Could that be a problem ?
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[16:09:51] <Nickste> I've recently set up a server with postfix & courier for a new domain name, and finding that my emails are landing up in the spam box in gmail. What is the best way to start getting my domain onto a "white list"?
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[16:21:37] <Niklas-> Hey. Earlier this morning i broke my postfix, resulting in a 1400 messages mailqueue. I've fixed the problem now, and mail is running normally now. However, the queue with the 1400 messages gets off one by one, using ~15 minutes for 50 emails - is there a way to speed this up?
[16:22:11] <wedge> Niklas-: do you run antispam and antivirus checks?
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[16:23:19] <Niklas-> Yeah, using the content_filter option. But as far as i can see, all the messages have been scanned when they were received, and shouldn't be doing it again
[16:24:31] <kRocKodile> for a setup with virtual users with Maildir i need something more than " at mydomain dot com vmail" in the virtual file ?
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[16:27:10] <rob0> !unknown_local
[16:27:10] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).
[16:27:13] <rob0> rata: ^^\
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[16:29:31] <rata> rob0, i don have anything set in mydestination. Perhaps its that ?
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[16:30:31] <rob0> If you don't set it, you get the default. Don't rely on defaults if they don't work for you.
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[16:30:35] <rob0> !basic
[16:30:36] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[16:33:51] <bashprompt> i am getting this error, "Jul 21 15:06:36 theseus amavis[2378]: (02378-01) (!!)TROUBLE in process_request: sql exec: err=1146, 42S02, DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'postfix.domains' doesn't exist at (eval 55) line 169, <GEN15> line 5. at (eval 56) line 271, <GEN15> line 5.
[16:34:12] <bashprompt> but yet, in the config for amavis i do not reference postfix.domains anywhere
[16:34:40] <bashprompt> i am using postfix with postfix admin
[16:35:56] <bashprompt> any suggestions or am I in the wrong channel..
[16:36:38] <f3ew> you have it referenced via something
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[16:37:01] <bashprompt> yeah that's what I keep thinking, I've checked all the files I touched in the howto and searched them for postfix.domains and I just dont see it.
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[16:41:06] <rata> rob0, thanks a lot!
[16:41:30] <rata> rob0, and sorry for the dummy question
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[16:41:40] <kRocKodile> why the most postfix tutorials is written for virtual mailbox and not for maildir ?
[16:42:27] <kRocKodile> since maildir considered better than mailbox...
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[16:53:46] <Trengo> kRocKodile im on virtual maildirs
[16:54:00] <Trengo> its virtual users, not mailboxes
[16:54:24] <kRocKodile> Trengo: can you see the /etc/postfix/virtual file?
[16:54:46] <Trengo> the "format" doesn't matter, the point here is the users aren't actual "machine users", they're only defined in a file somewhere
[16:54:46] <rob0> I don't go looking at HOWTOs much, but the ones I have seen, generally use maildir.
[16:55:44] <kRocKodile> Trengo: defined AND map with some machine account (this is what they say the manual)
[16:56:27] <Trengo> kRocKodile not here
[16:56:40] <kRocKodile> so..... i map all my domain virtual users to one and only vmail machine account... i make it wrong?
[16:58:16] <kRocKodile> Trengo: can you show my an exampe of your virtual file plz? :)
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[16:58:38] <Trengo> kRocKodile i dont have one
[16:58:48] <Trengo> mine are in a mysql database
[16:59:33] <kRocKodile> mine have only 1 line: " at mycompany dot com    vmail"
[16:59:39] <kRocKodile> this is ok?
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[17:04:20] <rob0> !catchall
[17:04:21] <knoba> rob0: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.
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[18:54:52] <mohr> something seems to have happened to my mail server overnight.  When I left work yesterday everything was working; this morning, mail delivery is failing
[18:55:24] <mohr> I'm getting "system resource problem:
[18:56:02] <mohr> Jul 18 09:33:49 mail spamd[32186]: result: . -2 - ALL_TRUSTED,AWL scantime=0.5,size=1313,mid=<eventum.4b823t747.ky177u at network dot zmanda.com>,autolearn=disabled
[18:56:39] <mohr> Jul 18 09:33:49 mail spamc[7934]: exec failed: Permission denied
[18:57:08] <mohr> this was working perfectly until sometime last night
[18:57:17] <mohr> while I was in fact asleep :(
[18:57:49] <rob0> The daemon demons were NOT asleep, so it seems.
[18:58:03] <mohr> so it would seem :(
[18:58:52] <rob0> OS doing automated upgrades?
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[18:59:42] <_codepoet_> I'm trying to get procmail to work with postfix's virtual users -- I set up a /etc/procmailrc but it does not seem to be reading the file in
[18:59:59] <_codepoet_> Are there any particular gotchas with doing this?
[19:00:38] <_codepoet_> I don't know how to debug it either -- it does not appear to be logging anywhere
[19:01:48] <rob0> Sure; procmail expects a real $USER and $SHELL and $HOME. Some folks have kludged up ugly pipe(8) transports to provide that. Others just use delivery agents which are more virtual-friendly.
[19:01:52] <rob0> !maildrop
[19:01:53] <knoba> rob0: "maildrop" : a delivery agent similar to 'procmail' which also works for virtual accounts. It's part of the "courier" mail server. See: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/
[19:02:04] <_codepoet_> Yeah the pipe transport method didn't appeal to me
[19:02:15] <_codepoet_> Especially since I needed to define the transport for ALL users
[19:02:24] <rob0> why virtual users, if you want procmail?
[19:02:57] <hooch> how to have postfix initiate outbound smtp on a particular interface?
[19:03:05] <_codepoet_> We have one server sending mail to all virtual users at the other server, the receiving server needs to scan every mail for headers and take appropriate action in the database
[19:03:30] <_codepoet_> Pretty much updating the tables that define virtual_mail_users
[19:04:07] <_codepoet_> I just need a ruby script ran on all mails that come in. It seemed procmail was the way to go :)
[19:04:12] <hooch> _codepoet_: maildrop is the virtual users way..
[19:04:32] <_codepoet_> I suppose thats just my ignorance then -- I will check maildrop out. Thanks :)
[19:05:28] <hooch> i added an IP for an apache SSL virtual host.. two weeks later i notice postfix has been rejected because it's sending from an IP that has no rdns
[19:05:50] <hooch> eth1:0 must look more attractive
[19:06:05] <hooch> er eth0:1 more attractive to postfix than eth0
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[19:10:19] <hooch> 250 ok, sweet
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[19:43:02] <felix-da-catz> Can postfix apply sieve scripts to local email?
[19:44:44] <cpm> sieve with dovecot deliver, sieve with cyrus? for local mail? you mean like procmail? Never heard of it. Heard of tools to make procmail rules into sieve rules, but not the other way around.
[19:46:07] <felix-da-catz> Ok, thats what I thought.  So postfix is configured to use local to deliver my local email.  I need to configure local to use dovecot to deliver my email for local then right?
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[19:55:33] <cpm> I don't know if dovecot's deliver does local.
[19:55:43] <cpm> that's usually a procmail thing
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[19:58:56] <Ozux> hi, any body knows solution that Postfix encrypt every outgoing mail via GPG?
[20:04:25] <Dominian> uhh
[20:04:35] <Dominian> That should be up to the sender.. not the MTA
[20:06:51] <shasta> oh my ;)
[20:07:37] <shasta> Ozux, it's so flawed idea that I can't even know where to start explaining it
[20:08:46] <Ozux> Dominian, No, my senders are 5 Monitoring Programms on a box, and they can't encrypt eny thing, unfortunately :( and I search solution that automatically encrypt every outgoing Mail
[20:08:58] <Ozux> shasta, and above post :)
[20:09:35] <wedge> Ozux: just make sure your receiving MTA supports TLS
[20:09:40] <wedge> as well as your sending MTA..
[20:09:50] <shasta> first of all - to encrypt a message with PGP/GPG you must know *recipient's* public key
[20:10:04] <Ozux> I was thinking about piping to a script befor sending or injecting to pool but can't find any idea
[20:10:10] <wedge> is pretty nice having emails encrypted between servers.
[20:10:17] <wedge> which is already done by TLS
[20:10:19] <cpm> Ozux, what is your real intent ? You just don't want anyone to be able to use your data monitored in transit?
[20:10:44] <Ozux> shasta, Recipients are Me and My team that recive monitoring mails from Monitoring softwares
[20:11:28] <Ozux> cpm, Yes, because data have lots about our network, like domain, users, system configuration ... every thing.
[20:11:42] <mwalling> and why cant your script encrypt them?
[20:11:46] <cpm> tls will do this for you
[20:11:51] <shasta> !tls
[20:11:52] <knoba> shasta: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[20:12:21] <wedge> Ozux: telnet yourpostfixserver 25
[20:12:24] <wedge> EHLO localhost
[20:12:28] <cpm> no need for some bizzare-o gpg kludge
[20:12:29] <wedge> check if it says tls there :)
[20:12:43] <shasta> (STARTTLS, to be precise)
[20:12:45] <wedge> 250-STARTTLS
[20:12:48] <wedge> yeah
[20:13:05] <Ozux> mwalling, I don't know Java and Python (and my team) so we can't hack around monitoring softwares + 2 software are not Free Software (as free speech)
[20:13:12] <wedge> oh and this has to be done on both sending and receiving server
[20:14:47] <Ozux> wedge, Oh! recieving mail server is for Organization, you know stupid window$ users in upper departmant, they use Smarter mail ... talking with them is more like ... any way :)
[20:15:27] <Ozux> wedge, we have two choise 1.Organization mail 2.Gmail
[20:16:04] <Ozux> wedge, I think (IMHO) GPG is more universal and easy to use for this porpuse
[20:16:26] <Ozux> s/porpuse/purpose
[20:16:43] <Ozux> because don't need config any other server than Our own Postfix
[20:17:27] <khopesh> if i wanted to make an open relay (for testing), what would I need to change in my postfix settings?
[20:17:35] <cpm> hardly. In order to script an automatic gpg, you need to have the script handle your private keys and the key passphrase, which makes the whole thing pretty bogus.
[20:17:51] <wedge> khopesh: my networks = 0.0.0.0/0 could work, not entirely sure
[20:18:05] <shasta> khopesh, smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit
[20:18:14] <wedge> shasta's solution is better :P
[20:18:23] <khopesh> i'll try that
[20:18:35] <khopesh> i think i've got something else in there somewhere though
[20:18:44] <khopesh> only authenticated traffic currently gets through
[20:18:50] <Ozux> cpm, Encrypting with Public key is possible and Public Key don't need Password, Password will entered in Mail Clien (claws-mail)
[20:19:14] <rob0> Yikes, this is madness: 18:17 < wedge> khopesh: my networks = 0.0.0.0/0 could work, not entirely sure
[20:19:31] <Dominian> rob0: dude.. shoot that person
[20:19:45] <Dominian> Can you say "open relay?"   I knew you could.
[20:19:47] <khopesh> rob0: i'm just trying to isolate the problem.  it won't stay open for any more than a few seconds
[20:20:00] <shasta> rob0, Dominian, he *wants* an open relay
[20:20:24] <Dominian> uhhh
[20:20:31] <Dominian> Can you say "Spammer?"  I knew you could.
[20:20:32] <rob0> well CLOSE it in the firewall. It could be detected at any moment.
[20:20:35] <khopesh> it's a quick troubleshooting bit
[20:20:42] <khopesh> it's closed on the firewall to all but my test machines
[20:20:49] <wedge> rob0: I didnt say my solution was the best, just treating all ips/subnets as my_network would make your server an open relay..
[20:21:14] <wedge> and shasta came with a better suggestion
[20:21:18] <cpm> Ozux, think about what you just said, if you use the public key *alone( without a password to encrypt, then all you need is the public key without a password to decrypt. This makes it symmetrical, and trivial to access. may as well just hash it.
[20:21:19] <rob0> ok, I just got here and read some insanity, I don't know the reasons behind it
[20:21:29] <khopesh> 14:21:12 snowbird postfix/smtpd[31302]: fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit
[20:21:40] <khopesh> ;-p
[20:21:42] <cpm> rob0 is the reason for insanity
[20:21:46] <rob0> That message is pretty clear, no?
[20:22:07] <rob0> Specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit.
[20:22:20] <shasta> cpm, no
[20:22:20] <rob0> In real life this means reject_unauth_destination
[20:22:32] <cpm> shasta, yes.
[20:22:47] <shasta> cpm, i don't need to know YOUR private key (and thus your passphrase) to encrypt a message to you
[20:22:53] <Ozux> cpm, did you even used GPG? when you want send mail encrypted to mey via GPG you don't need to enter password any where just select my Public_key from list and send it to me, I should have Private kkey's pass to decrypt it.
[20:22:59] <cpm> shasta, that's not what was suggested, at all.
[20:25:20] <khopesh> okay, tacking 0.0.0.0/0 at the end of mynetworks worked.  so now the question is why the correct cidr, which was already in mynetworks, does not work.
[20:26:04] <shasta> khopesh, define "correct cidr", define "does not work"
[20:26:11] <shasta> the latter in terms of logs (-:
[20:27:10] <khopesh> correct cidr being a /29 instead of a /0
[20:27:27] <rob0> khopesh, did you read postconf.5.html#mynetworks yet?
[20:27:35] <cpm> in order to create a 'pretty good' cyphertext, (am I really going into this?) for someone else, you need a private key, that you, and only you has access to. A passphrase to offer up a little more hope in case someone does get your private key. The public key of the recipient, and if you intend to be able to access the data yourself, your own public key. (although that doesn't matter in this case) You create the cyphertext by inputting your passphr
[20:27:35] <cpm> ase to unlock your private key, and do that gpg magic with the recipients public key, and output it. Done. In order to make this an unattended script. The script will need the private key of the sender, and the sender's passphrase, as well as the public key of the recipient. if you *only* use the recipient's public key, it's just a hash, reverseable with that same key. Make no sense.
[20:27:44] <khopesh> does not work being a 554 reject message instead of 2xx accept
[20:27:55] <khopesh> rob0: yes, i've read it many times over, before coming to the channel and after
[20:28:44] <khopesh> rob0: your harsh tone is hardly constructive.  i have a valid mynetworks.
[20:28:46] <rob0> pastebin your "postconf mynetworks" output along with the rejection log line from smtpd that you thought should have been accepted.
[20:28:54] <khopesh> sure
[20:28:54] <rob0> ignored
[20:29:19] <khopesh> thanks for being more constructive
[20:29:36] <cpm> Ozux, I use gpg all the time. Have been using it, and before that pgp since 1996.
[20:30:23] <rob0> I have no need for hypersensitive types who read "harsh tones" into a question which points them to the precise spot in the documentation where their question is answered.
[20:30:33] * Dominian gets popcorn
[20:30:51] <cpm> hey, get me some!
[20:32:16] <shasta> cpm, if attacker gets access to the postfix machine where the message will be encrypted, then tls/gpg and whatever else you can come up with doesn't matter anyway, because he can (mis)configure postfix to do his job
[20:32:36] <cpm> shasta, fair enough.
[20:32:45] * Dominian gives cpm some popcorn
[20:33:11] <cpm> but again, using a symmetric key, is essentially just a hash. May as well just hash it.
[20:33:34] <cpm> thanx
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[20:35:44] <khopesh> it's too bad the f/oss community has this mentality; it's not that much harder to be a little more helpful.  obviously, i haven't found anything useful in the man page.  perhaps i'm not reading it right, or perhaps my problem isn't as simple as you expect it to be.  i'm a 10+ year linux veteran, longer with other unixes, and a professional linux hacker.
[20:35:51] <khopesh> my pastebin post is at http://postfix.pastebin.com/d31e027b1
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[20:36:49] <shasta> cpm, but then again - you can make a private+public pair for the sender, protect it with a strong passphrase and encrypt emails using just recipients public key. without the sender's private key passphrase
[20:37:03] <shasta> you're not *signing* the message. you're *encrypting* it for *someone else*
[20:37:17] <shasta> just add recipient's pubkey to your pubring
[20:37:54] <shasta> he doesn't have to encrypt it to himself, because sender is an automated management/monitoring software
[20:38:21] <khopesh> tacking a ",0.0.0.0/0" on the end of mynetworks changes the raw smtp transaction to accepting the message.
[20:38:22] <shasta> khopesh, pastebin your postconf -n
[20:38:40] <shasta> and where are you connecting from?
[20:39:25] <khopesh> the scrubbed IP i've given it is 60.25.205.77
[20:39:35] <khopesh> i'm not really in apnic
[20:39:41] <cpm> shasta, yeah, encrypted with no signature will work
[20:39:58] <cpm> fair enough.
[20:40:05] <khopesh> that's covered by the cidr in mynetworks as 60.25.205.72/29
[20:40:39] <cpm> would never occur to me to encrypt without signing. Can't verify the sender otherwise.  But yeah, that would work.
[20:42:21] <khopesh> http://postfix.pastebin.com/d85da9de
[20:42:59] <khopesh> shasta: ^^
[20:43:59] <khopesh> that's a typo on "ynetworks" from my scrubbing.  it really says mynetworks
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[20:50:37] <khopesh> given that if i tack on 0.0.0.0/0 to the end of mynetworks, everything works, there is an error with the cidr 60.25.205.72/29 ... i used to have "mynetworks = cidr:/etc/postfix/mynetworks" which let me check cidr syntax with "postmap -q 60.25.205.77 cidr:/etc/postfix/mynetworks"
[20:50:44] <TaiSHi> Good afternoon everyone
[20:50:51] <TaiSHi> I have some of my domains pointing to google MX
[20:51:08] <TaiSHi> How do I make Postfix to avoid proccessing them locally ?
[20:51:45] <khopesh> that postmap query returns "OK"
[20:52:28] <rob0> !address_classes
[20:52:29] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[20:52:33] <rob0> TaiSHi: ^^
[20:52:48] <rob0> simply don't list your domain in any class.
[20:53:00] <rob0> (That puts it in the Internet class.)
[20:53:28] * TaiSHi wonders if rob0 is stalking him
[20:54:18] <khopesh> TaiSHi: rob0 is very good about prompt responses
[20:54:28] <rob0> AAMOF I am stalking you.
[20:54:38] <khopesh> well, that too
[20:54:55] <cpm> indeed
[20:55:07] <rob0> and stalking cpm
[20:55:41] <TaiSHi> khopesh: meow?
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[20:56:16] <khopesh> TaiSHi: huh?
[20:58:01] <TaiSHi> khopesh: o.O?
[21:03:18] <TaiSHi> rob0: But, if I write a mail locally @ server (or any other domain hosted there who does this) it will bounce
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[21:06:41] <duli> I have a smtp server configured as mydomain = marzagao.com.br. Is it possible to make specific e-mails with @marzagao.com.br to be delivered to my relayhost insted of locally?
[21:06:45] <khopesh> okay, i fixed my mynetworks issue.  typo on numbers that wasn't apparent in the scrubbing.  however, i still can't get mail through an SSL session (no auth)
[21:07:03] <khopesh> duli: aliases?
[21:07:38] <duli> khopesh: Hum, I don't know. Let me check
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[21:07:56] <khopesh> duli: i bet you can do that with an alias
[21:08:21] <khopesh> is there a postfix default that requires authentication within SSL sessions?
[21:08:27] <khopesh> i think i'm tripping over that
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[21:09:19] <khopesh> oh, i bet that's smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
[21:09:34] <khopesh> pidgin is great, but it's IRC capacity isn't there yet
[21:10:09] <TaiSHi> khopesh: that line is commented
[21:10:23] <khopesh> what line?
[21:10:28] <duli> khopesh: You mean virtual alias or alias map?
[21:10:33] <TaiSHi> smtpd_sasl_security_options
[21:10:47] <khopesh> TaiSHi: it's not commented on my setup.  i'll try commenting it
[21:10:53] <khopesh> wait, that's the default
[21:11:06] <TaiSHi> khopesh: commented is default...
[21:11:33] <khopesh> TaiSHi: if there is no such entry, it defaults to noanonymous, as per the man page that rob0 keeps insisting i've never read
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[21:15:17] <khopesh> no dice on setting "smtpd_sasl_security_options =" ... i still can't send via SSL w/out authentication, even from a host that can send w/out SSL (and w/out auth) just fine
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[21:17:14] <rob0> TaiSHi: I don't understand what you're asking.
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[21:18:44] <TaiSHi> khopesh: I'm totally lost
[21:19:57] <khopesh> TaiSHi: you asked about pointing incoming mail at google's MX records w/out local processing, rob0 pointed you to address_classes.
[21:20:11] <TaiSHi> Yes
[21:20:20] <khopesh> i'm here for help on a different topic; i know sendmail inside-out, but postfix is a new one for me
[21:20:27] <TaiSHi> :O
[21:20:35] <TaiSHi> Then we mixed up our issues :P
[21:20:50] <khopesh> sorry if my comments have otherwise confused you; look to the experts like rob0 et al for help on your issue
[21:21:20] <TaiSHi> Don't worry
[21:21:39] <pickcoder> fajita is an expert too
[21:22:04] <rob0> mmmmmm, that sounds good
[21:22:10] * rob0 hasn't had lunch yet
[21:22:12] <khopesh> i'd expect there are several here.  rob0 is the one active atm
[21:22:16] <pickcoder> hrm
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[21:22:29] <pickcoder> knoba I mean
[21:22:34] <pickcoder> bah
[21:22:35] <cpm> rob0 is very active
[21:22:46] <pickcoder> I can't even keep with bots
[21:22:55] <rob0> Anyway, I do have to go to lunch. Chinese today, it's /dev/wife's birthday.
[21:23:02] <cpm> n'joy
[21:23:13] * pickcoder curses whoever cut the deltacom fiber
[21:23:24] <khopesh> happy your-wife's-bday
[21:23:24] * pickcoder comes in to work to a hell storm
[21:23:31] <khopesh> don't forget the flowers
[21:23:31] <rob0> see y'all later
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[21:23:36] * cpm blesses whomever cuts fiber. We need a break
[21:23:42] <cpm> heh, break, heh, yeah
[21:24:04] * pickcoder sends a batallion of banana throwing monkeys after cpm
[21:24:50] <pickcoder> rob0: save me some fried rice and wonton soup
[21:25:26] <pickcoder> cpm: a break == a couple of hours... not all damn day
[21:26:20] <pickcoder> (it's not our main backbone.. it's the outgoing gateway for all the users)
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[21:33:14] <cpm> pickcoder, No email fridays
[21:34:14] <TaiSHi> Meh
[21:34:17] <TaiSHi> 1:27 hours to
[21:34:23] <TaiSHi> Leave the hell out of here
[21:34:31] <TaiSHi> adaptr isn't the guy that cpm likes?
[21:35:02] <cpm> TaiSHi, what r U do'n slumming here?
[21:35:36] <TaiSHi> i r heer 4 halp
[21:38:56] <cpm> o rly?
[21:40:50] <TaiSHi> orly
[21:43:16] <_codepoet_> Is there anything special that needs to happen to get maildrop working with postfix and mysql based virtual users?
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[21:43:32] <Dominian> er.. I don't think maildrop can be used with virtual users can it?
[21:43:44] <_codepoet_> I added the transport to master.cf, added virtual_transport=maildrop
[21:44:16] <_codepoet_> Dominian: Judging from all of the articles I'm reading and the suggestion to use it when I came in here a little while ago, I sure hope so :P
[21:44:33] <_codepoet_> All i need is to run a ruby script for every e-mail that comes in to the server
[21:44:46] <_codepoet_> And all of my users are virtual :)
[21:45:00] <_codepoet_> I originally tried procmail but it doesn't like vusers
[21:49:16] <Dominian> oh
[21:49:21] <Dominian> well I've never utilized maildrop
[21:49:29] <Dominian> procmail you can't use with virtual users.. I know that much hehe
[21:52:37] <duli> How can I make smtp client to relay messages to an external relay host, even if those messages has my domain after the @?
[21:52:57] <TaiSHi> SASL <-
[21:54:51] <_codepoet_> Yeah :(
[21:55:05] <_codepoet_> Who would have thought it would be so difficult to just execute 1 script for all mail coming in
[21:57:08] * TaiSHi farts
[21:57:09] <TaiSHi> That hard.
[21:57:22] <TaiSHi> Damn, this isn't #openvpn
[21:59:14] <sysmonk> !lists
[21:59:15] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "lists" is not a valid command.
[21:59:20] <sysmonk> ghm
[22:01:23] <TaiSHi> sysmonk: VLSM
[22:02:03] <sysmonk> ?
[22:02:20] <TaiSHi> Variable Lenght Subnet Mask
[22:03:43] <sysmonk> and?
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[22:03:59] <TaiSHi> I just felt like telling that to you
[22:04:33] <sysmonk> and why should i know that?
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[22:06:42] <TaiSHi> You're a sys monk
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[22:06:46] <TaiSHi> You should.
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[22:07:03] <sysmonk> TaiSHi: don't smoke that shit anymore, please
[22:07:06] <sysmonk> use some other drugs
[22:07:15] <TaiSHi> You're just jealous.
[22:07:28] <TaiSHi> You want some
[22:07:36] <sysmonk> i'm an alcoholic, i don't use drugs
[22:08:14] <TaiSHi> Bleh
[22:08:19] <TaiSHi> Your alcohol can't compete with my drugs
[22:08:50] <sysmonk> and believe me, i don't care
[22:10:08] <sysmonk> f3ew, rob0 ho
[22:10:13] <sysmonk> and other too, ho :)
[22:11:44] <TaiSHi> Bleh
[22:11:48] <TaiSHi> rob0 is mine
[22:11:49] <TaiSHi> So is cpm
[22:11:57] <TaiSHi> And what about adaptr?
[22:12:15] <sysmonk> he belongs to the loosers
[22:12:15] <sysmonk> ;P
[22:12:26] <sysmonk> adaptr: right?
[22:12:40] * sysmonk hides from the rock which is thrown at him
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[22:13:02] * TaiSHi should keep studying CIDR and VLSM
[22:13:15] <sysmonk> there's not much to study about cidr
[22:13:24] <sysmonk> and really, it's the first time i hear 'vlsm'
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[22:14:00] <sysmonk> doh, wikipedia redirects VLSM to CIDR
[22:14:43] <will> You guys should be more serious
[22:14:48] <will> People are complaining.
[22:14:53] <sysmonk> will: about what?
[22:15:07] <will> I don't know. Ask duli :)
[22:15:08] <sysmonk> who's complaining?
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[22:15:22] <will> hehe
[22:15:36] <sysmonk> who's the crybaby out here?!?!
[22:15:36] <duli> sysmonk: I'm complaining
[22:15:41] <sysmonk> duli: about what?
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[22:16:10] <TaiSHi> sysmonk: CIDR, VLSM, kinda the same, I just need to do an exam of VSLM and RIP2
[22:16:22] <duli> sysmonk: Actually, I'm just looking for help..
[22:16:29] <sysmonk> duli: yeah... i get it...
[22:16:44] <sysmonk> duli: sorry but i'm not into reading all my backlog to see what problem you've hit
[22:16:59] <TaiSHi> duli: get a phsycologist or something, they usually give out some help in exchange for money
[22:17:00] * sysmonk just got home from beer
[22:17:16] * TaiSHi still hasn't escaped from work... 44 more minutes
[22:17:23] <sysmonk> 11:17 pm here
[22:17:25] <duli> Yep, that's why I was not complaining in this channel
[22:17:35] <will> lol
[22:17:40] <sysmonk> duli: so, you need help with postfix or not?
[22:17:44] <will> duli: So you didn't ask your question???
[22:17:50] <sysmonk> if not, then don't complain... atleast here :)
[22:18:06] <will> Not in any of the channels I'm in either.
[22:18:23] <sysmonk> /join #duli_complaints
[22:18:36] <will> Oh, they take complaints in that channel real serious
[22:18:39] <will> ly
[22:18:39] * TaiSHi dances around senselessly
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[22:19:58] <will> duli: So uh... are you going to... ask a question?
[22:20:15] * TaiSHi dances around senselessly... twice...
[22:20:33] * will takes pictures and sells them to tabloids
[22:21:35] * TaiSHi unfs will senselessly
[22:22:12] * sysmonk kicks some butts
[22:22:15] <sysmonk> i win.
[22:22:16] <sysmonk> ;P
[22:22:17] <will> Whoa there... we just met
[22:23:12] <duli> I already asked
[22:23:37] <will> uh
[22:23:57] * Signum wipes his screen and makes sure he isn't in #kindergarden
[22:23:59] * TaiSHi pulls out his whiplash
[22:24:01] <will> I didn't see it within the last 5 minutes..
[22:24:16] <will> Oh well. time to go home anyways!
[22:24:18] <sysmonk> i didn't see it at all
[22:24:30] <will> I don't scroll up that high
[22:24:35] <sysmonk> Signum: btw, i've asked ya a question before ( today... or yesterday ), did you see it?
[22:24:57] <Signum> sysmonk: uhm... irssi is supposed to tell me when my name is called. hmm, no, didn't see it.
[22:25:10] <Signum> sysmonk: someone asking for my paypal address? :)
[22:25:10] <sysmonk> Signum: it is supposed to :P
[22:25:14] <sysmonk> Signum: nah
[22:25:23] <sysmonk> Signum: i've asked about workaround org tutorial
[22:25:27] <duli> (16:52:38) duli: How can I make smtp client to relay messages to an external relay host, even if those messages has my local domain after the @?
[22:25:42] <sysmonk> Signum: i've saw you use innodb for virtual_domains table (and others too), any reason?
[22:26:14] <Signum> sysmonk: Not really. Actually I don't use MySQL myself either. But MyISAM doesn't seem to be a choice nowadays. So my logical choice seemed to be InnoDB.
[22:26:23] <Signum> sysmonk: I run the tutorial's setup with PostgreSQL here.
[22:26:24] <sysmonk> duli: make your local domain really local, or take it out of mydestinations
[22:26:25] <will> sysmonk: FK support?
[22:26:47] <sysmonk> will: i didn't see any fk in his schemas
[22:27:08] <will> sysmonk: Some say to default to InnoDB unless you have a reason not to
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[22:27:20] <will> InnoDB is the default in the Windows install...
[22:27:24] <TaiSHi> duli: I answered, SASL
[22:27:29] <Signum> sysmonk: yeah, foreign keys, transactions etc.
[22:27:38] <sysmonk> Signum: in _those_ tables?!
[22:27:45] <sysmonk> let me see where you use FK's there
[22:27:49] <will> InnoDB is better at crash recovery
[22:27:50] <Signum> sysmonk: I do.
[22:27:54] <sysmonk> Signum: in those ?
[22:27:54] <duli> TaiSHi: Yep, but that does not answer
[22:28:01] * sysmonk goes to look again
[22:28:12] <TaiSHi> duli: If you look @ postconf :P
[22:28:25] <sysmonk> damn, yes you do Signum
[22:28:27] <Signum> FOREIGN KEY (domain_id) REFERENCES virtual_domains(id) ON DELETE CASCADE....
[22:28:31] <sysmonk> Signum: i don't know how i missed it
[22:28:37] <sysmonk> ahh
[22:28:38] <Signum> sysmonk: me neither ;)
[22:28:47] <sysmonk> i missed it cause i looked at virtual_domains table specificaly
[22:29:15] <sysmonk> (some guy had problems with that table, o i only looked at that table)
[22:29:20] <Signum> sysmonk: As opposed to earlier tutorials I once in my life wanted to have a normalized database instead of that plaintext crap where people just store the mapping values into the database.
[22:29:37] <sysmonk> Signum: once and only? :PPP
[22:29:55] <will> Signum: "flatfile" :)
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[22:30:08] <Signum> sysmonk: :)
[22:30:38] <Signum> sysmonk: I wanted to do something more godlike than the 99% crappy PHP application out there do. No indices, no foreign keys, no normalization, no proper column data types, not enough red wine...
[22:31:03] <duli> TaiSHi: No no... I'm already using sasl. The trouble is there are some users which doesn't exist locally
[22:31:09] <sysmonk> Signum: ye, i know
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[22:31:28] <sysmonk> Signum: i'm managing a few hosting servers, so i have to fix indices a lot...
[22:31:49] <TaiSHi> duli: Then just hit sysmonk until he answers :)
[22:31:53] <duli> sysmonk: I can't do that, because the other messages need to be delivered locally
[22:32:03] <Signum> sysmonk: Nowadays I really enjoy http://thedailywtf.com/ to see people make the same mistakes over and over again.
[22:32:19] <sysmonk> duli: o_O so, how the hell should postfix know which should be delivered locally?
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[22:32:34] <sysmonk> Signum: oink, i read it once in a few months
[22:33:18] <khopesh> i still can't send via SSL w/out authentication, even from a host that can send w/out SSL (and w/out auth) just fine.  the output of postconf -n is at http://postfix.pastebin.com/d13f32de1
[22:33:51] <khopesh> i had thought it might be related to smtpd_sasl_security_options, but setting that to blank didn't help
[22:34:10] <duli> sysmonk: That's why I asked if there was a way of doing so. I mean, a way of telling postfix that some specific address are meant to be delivered externally
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[22:34:51] <sysmonk> duli: oh
[22:34:59] <sysmonk> duli: transport_maps
[22:35:10] <sysmonk> !transport_maps
[22:35:11] <knoba> sysmonk: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
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[22:36:08] <TaiSHi> !StevenSeagal
[22:36:09] <knoba> TaiSHi: "StevenSeagal" : The CockPuncher
[22:36:11] <TaiSHi> :D
[22:36:21] <TaiSHi> !adaptr
[22:36:22] <knoba> TaiSHi: "adaptr" : a small shell script that floods the channel with factoids
[22:36:41] <duli> sysmonk: Hum, thanks a lot. Now I know where to start from.
[22:38:48] <sysmonk> duli: should be as simple as duli@localdomain smtp:[relayhost.com]
[22:39:01] <sysmonk> (and transport_maps = hash:/somewhere/somefile in main.cf ofcorse)
[22:39:16] <duli> sysmonk: like per sender realy, right?
[22:39:22] <sysmonk> yeah
[22:39:27] <sysmonk> per recipient that is
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[22:39:42] <duli> sysmonk: ok, great. I knew there should be a way! Thanks a lot.
[22:39:52] <sysmonk> np, and don't cry
[22:40:02] <duli> sysmonk: :)
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[22:40:14] <winkiller> hello
[22:41:37] <winkiller> can anyone tell me if this is default behaviour or if I did miss something: I have postgrey, but also all mails to non-existing users are greylisted first, before they are (probably) denied. as I saw no matching argument for smtpd_recipient_restrictions I think this is done after the final permit.
[22:44:04] <Signum> winkiller: you can control the order of checking. if you move the check_policy_service... after the reject_unauth_destination you should get what you want
[22:44:06] <pickcoder> winkiller: postgrey greylists anyone that's new
[22:44:28] <pickcoder> based on the triplet of ip/from/to
[22:44:35] <Signum> winkiller: So postgrey only delays the sending client if you would accept the mail anyway.
[22:44:38] <winkiller> pickcoder: ah ok, thanks
[22:44:39] <winkiller> Signum: it is the last one
[22:44:49] <pickcoder> there are ways to whitelist
[22:44:51] <pickcoder> but it's a PITA
[22:45:04] <pickcoder> I dropped postgrey due to business mail being greylisted
[22:45:24] <pickcoder> aka too many complaints
[22:45:26] <winkiller> I just wondered if it would be more useful to reject mails to nonexistant users before the greylist
[22:45:28] <Signum> I never lost a mail AFAICT by greylisting. Sender verification though got me intro trouble.
[22:45:44] <khopesh> i've lost mail to greylisting
[22:45:49] <winkiller> it *works* atm - it just confused me
[22:45:53] <pickcoder> Signum: we didn't "lose" mail but people called up complaining that we were blocking their mail
[22:46:05] <khopesh> you've got to meticulously manage your whitelist of non-compliant relays
[22:46:20] <Signum> pickcoder: yeah, there are quite some non-conforming SMTP crap gateways out there.
[22:46:31] <winkiller> I don't care about low chance of lost mail - it's a host for like 5 private accounts
[22:46:47] <Signum> pickcoder: The greatest experience was a sysadmin who I quoted the RFC replies that RFCs are just requests for comment and not standards. :)
[22:46:51] <winkiller> question has been answered, thanks :)
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[22:47:24] <Signum> pickcoder: Or as a dumb coworker was known to say that SMTP is dying soon and X.25 will take over.
[22:47:31] <pickcoder> Signum: heh.. ex MS core developer?
[22:47:53] <Signum> pickcoder: MS "admin" who clicks his career through a PHP application that a student created for him.
[22:48:09] <Signum> pickcoder: He insists that SFTP is the same as FTP - just more secure. So if I open up FTP in the firewall it should get through.
[22:48:34] <Signum> pickcoder: Let's just say that it's not hard to appear guru-like in my company. :)
[22:48:39] <winkiller> lol
[22:48:43] <khopesh> even gmail is greylisting-incompatible
[22:48:55] <pickcoder> Signum: O_o
[22:49:08] <winkiller> oh
[22:49:19] <pickcoder> make sure he checks his headlight fluid before he drives at night..
[22:49:23] * Signum wonders why he gets gmail emails then
[22:49:35] <khopesh> it's not certain, only occaisional
[22:49:42] <winkiller> maybe some hosts
[22:49:45] <winkiller> they havbe so many
[22:49:57] <khopesh> the problem is that when they get a tempfail, they retry with a different server
[22:50:14] <khopesh> and they have so many servers, that the rotation might take too long to hit a previously attempted server
[22:50:21] <khopesh> http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Users/browse_thread/thread/a7b336eb357832d7
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[22:52:04] <khopesh> the "solution" is to whitelist all of gmail's servers.  their IPs are advertised by SPF, though this includes over 100k servers, see http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html#spf-potentially-useful
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[22:53:24] <Signum> gmail has more than 100,000 servers as MTAs? I know that google is pretty big but that sounds very unlikely.
[22:53:25] <khopesh> i've since altered my greylisting implementation to look only at the relay IP.  this way my users don't complain that one person got a message and the other person had to wait for it.
[22:53:43] <khopesh> Signum: i expect google just put their whole IP range in there
[22:53:54] <Signum> khopesh: ah, okay
[22:56:25] <khopesh> nobody can help me on my ssl issue?
[22:56:57] <khopesh> i still can't send via SSL w/out authentication, even from a host that can send w/out SSL (and w/out auth) just fine.  the output of postconf -n is at http://postfix.pastebin.com/d13f32de1
[22:57:20] <winkiller> I never bothered with SPF...
[22:57:23] <khopesh> i'm testing with raw smtp commands through the openssl wrapper
[22:57:25] <khopesh> this isn't spf
[22:57:42] <winkiller> (was still to gmail and stuff)
[22:57:58] <khopesh> oh, i see.  no i just used spf to get a list of IPs to whitelist
[22:58:18] <khopesh> otherwise, i have to keep adding them from bounce reports
[22:59:01] <winkiller> and sorry, I also can't help with the ssl thing
[23:01:47] <higuita> khopesh, as ssl, you mean smtp+starttls or smtps ?
[23:01:48] <khopesh> winkiller: thanks for looking
[23:02:13] <khopesh> SSL, not TLS.  i'm just doing a raw connection to port 465 with an openssl wrapper
[23:02:24] <khopesh> and then entering smtp commands manually as a test
[23:02:51] <khopesh> like:   openssl s_client -connect mail.server.com:465
[23:03:14] <khopesh> that's the SSl equivalent of doing:   telnet mail.server.com 25
[23:04:10] <khopesh> i don't pass any authentication when i test ... i shouldn't need to if i've blessed the client-side system (in mynetworks)
[23:05:04] <higuita> yes, i know... you can also use starttls, as its more compatible with most clients and servers ( and can also test with openssl, with a special parameter to enable the smtp+TLS)
[23:05:21] <higuita> anyway, if its plain ssl, i need also the master.cf
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[23:06:00] <khopesh> yeah,   openssl s_client -starttls -connect mail.server.com:465
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[23:07:47] <higuita> more  port 25, as its starts as plain smtp :)
[23:08:45] <khopesh> right, and speficy smtp after -starttls
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[23:08:53] <khopesh> that still doesn't work for me
[23:09:03] <khopesh> all i can do is unencrypted
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[23:09:41] <higuita> i need also the see the master.cf
[23:09:57] <higuita> so i can help you
[23:10:42] <khopesh> ok, hold on
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[23:12:31] <khopesh> higuita: http://postfix.pastebin.com/d1aadd65a
[23:12:54] <sysmonk> uh, a _postfix_.pastebin.com :)
[23:12:56] <khopesh> oh, or i could look at it.  i see where you're looking already
[23:13:07] <khopesh> sysmonk: you can do sysmonk.pastebin.com too
[23:13:23] <sysmonk> khopesh: i know, but afaik nobody uses a postfix.pastebin.com here
[23:13:33] <khopesh> yeah, i'm special.
[23:13:39] <sysmonk> yeah, you are
[23:13:50] <khopesh> with a helmet and everything
[23:14:13] <sysmonk> i'm glad that you're special. kids with alzheimers syndrome are special too
[23:14:15] <khopesh> higuita: thanks, that answered my question; the master.cf is overriding the smtpd_client_restrictions
[23:14:26] <khopesh> kids with alzheimers?  ouch
[23:15:19] <khopesh> for those of you in gaim, C:-)
[23:16:00] * sysmonk never ever ever liked any multi-im messanger for IRC
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[23:16:35] <hm232> Hi all, is there an easy way to bcc all incoming mail to one address, we need it for sox compliance.
[23:16:54] <sysmonk> hm232: always_bcc
[23:16:56] <sysmonk> !always_bcc
[23:16:57] <knoba> sysmonk: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
[23:16:58] <sysmonk> hm232: ^^
[23:17:09] <hm232> sysmonk: That is great
[23:17:49] <higuita> khopesh: so its fixed, right? :) and by the way, how does kolab work? what email/calendar clients you use?
[23:18:15] <sysmonk> kolab stores all it's crap in imap folder
[23:18:28] <sysmonk> and gives you plugins to your favourite MUA
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[23:23:10] <higuita> yes, i know the imap part, but as i never saw one working, i'm a little afraid that outlook plugin is still unstable (as i have read in the past) and no idea if ical, evolution, lighting , etc works well enough to replace outlook
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[23:38:44] <khopesh> higuita: yes, fixed.
[23:39:46] <khopesh> i'm on an older version of kolab, so i suspect my complaints are gone in the recent release.  we haven't played with calendaring yet, but the plan is to use moz lightning at first and buy the outlook connector if it is liked during a future trial
[23:40:28] <khopesh> it was the best option we looked at; citadel was buggy as hell and zimbra required corporate support in order to get backups working.
[23:40:51] <khopesh> in fact, kolab is the only reason i'm in this channel; all the other mail servers i manage run sendmail
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[23:50:48] <khopesh> higuita: based on what i saw in LJ this spring, it would probably have been wiser to go with OpenGroupware.org, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9895
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[23:52:43] <khopesh> but that's probably the grass-is-always-greener argument
[23:52:49] <will> khopesh: That was published on Apr1st :P
[23:52:56] <khopesh> yeah
[23:53:09] <khopesh> the day can't be 100% jokes...
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[23:53:59] <khopesh> besides, i subscribe to LJ, so i saw it in march ;-)
[23:54:00] <will> hehe
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[23:55:20] <khopesh> really, all of the options looked like crap, so i had to pick the one that had the best support.  kolab was in debian main, so i went with that.
[23:56:21] <khopesh> that and it's written by KDE fellows, and my company is a Qt consulting firm ...
[23:58:46] <will> Is it compatible with Outlook?





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