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[00:37:35] <Sedrik> Hi.  I'm a Postfix (mail server) n00b looking for some help.  I have a multi-server web cluster than needs to send mail.  Incoming mail to the domain goes to a completely different host (gmail).  MX records are pointing to Gmail.  Currently I have Postfix setup on one of the boxes in the web cluster and the other boxes connect to it to send their mail.  All mail currently ends up in spam...
[00:37:37] <Sedrik> ...folders.  I have SPF records created.
[00:37:56] <Sedrik> I'm trying to determine what the optimal setup for this kind of environment is
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[01:07:31] <Motoko-chan> Do you know the cause of the problem?
[01:07:39] <Motoko-chan> Like why it's ending up in there.
[01:08:02] <Motoko-chan> Also, disable SPF for now (it's almost worthless anyway) to eliminate it from the situation.
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[01:14:25] <Nodlehs> Any common noob mistake that results in postfix not using virtual_mailbox_domains? It looks at my other virtual settings to validate users, but not domains
[01:15:09] <Azrael> does anyone have recommendations of how to block "spear phishing" attacks on our MX's?
[01:15:16] <Azrael> we're getting targeted phish
[01:17:47] <Sedrik> Motoko-chan: Sorry, was away.  No I don't really know the cause of the problem.
[01:18:03] <Motoko-chan> What spam folders the items?
[01:18:10] <Sedrik> gmail
[01:18:12] <Motoko-chan> Specific site, or just in general?
[01:18:14] <Motoko-chan> Ah.
[01:18:19] <Motoko-chan> Bug Google?
[01:18:42] <Motoko-chan> Also, check your outbound IPs for presence on any blocklists.
[01:18:45] <Motoko-chan> openrbl.org
[01:19:11] <Motoko-chan> Then also make sure the outbound have a proper PTR in DNS that matches an A record for them.
[01:21:28] <Sedrik> Ya, I had my ISP set up the PTR record.  My hunch is that it's because i have servers 2 thru 6 sending mail thru server 1, and that that's all communicated on a private network.  gmail shows that the mail originated from 10.x.x.x.
[01:21:47] <Sedrik> but that's more of an observation than anything else.
[01:22:01] <Motoko-chan> That shouldn't be an issue.
[01:22:12] <Motoko-chan> It's the one that touches the cloud you need to worry about.
[01:22:22] <Motoko-chan> Also make sure you only have *one* PTR for the IP.
[01:22:33] <Sedrik> Received: from myhost-web4 (unknown [10.248.0.13])
[01:22:37] <Sedrik> is what google shows
[01:22:39] <Motoko-chan> Many things don't like multiple PTR records and see issues.
[01:22:54] <Motoko-chan> That's actually inserted by the next server up, not Google.
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[01:23:30] <Sedrik> ya -- the next server up is my first web server -- the one with postfix on it:  by smtp.myhost.com (Postfix)
[01:23:47] <Sedrik> 'myhost' is not the real address there
[01:24:01] <Motoko-chan> Anyway, check DNS.
[01:24:03] <Sedrik> and smtp.myhost.com resolves to the server sending the mail
[01:24:10] <Motoko-chan> It's the most common problem.
[01:25:13] <Motoko-chan> If your server gives a helo of "smtp.example.com" then the PTR for the IP it sends from should be the same.
[01:25:20] <Motoko-chan> If it is different, it can cause problems.
[01:25:56] <Sedrik> is there anyway for me to query for the PTR?  my ISP assured me they set it up, but they've been wrong before ;)
[01:26:34] <jduggan> dig -x
[01:26:54] <jduggan> host -t PTR ip (in-addr.arpa format)
[01:28:31] <Motoko-chan> dig -x works nicely
[01:28:39] <Motoko-chan> And will show if there are multiple records.
[01:28:44] <Motoko-chan> nslookup and host don't iirc
[01:29:04] <Sedrik> dig -x IP_ADDR   or dig -x SMTP_HOST?
[01:29:14] <Motoko-chan> dig -x IP
[01:29:32] <Sedrik> ah
[01:29:34] <Sedrik> yes
[01:29:37] <Sedrik> just 1 IP it looks likke
[01:29:39] <Sedrik> like
[01:29:52] <Motoko-chan> Does it match the HELO of the server?
[01:30:37] <Sedrik> yes, it does
[01:31:27] <Sedrik> should the HELO respond with the ending period?  the PTR record has a period have the '.com'
[01:32:47] <Motoko-chan> No, it shouldn't.
[01:32:57] <Motoko-chan> That's a DNS system thing.
[01:33:00] <Sedrik> ok
[01:33:29] <rob0> smtp.myhost.com. ? NXDOMAIN for me.
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[02:03:36] <gpled> anyone using postfix from source on a centos box?
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[07:25:42] <Adam[weg]Weishau> Good Night @ all | gute nacht zusammen
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[08:08:01] <pepe_swash> hello. how do i prevent tls for pop?
[08:09:12] <pepe_swash> i read everywhere how to do that for smtp, but i don't use the smtp part of postfix.
[08:09:50] <pepe_swash> and i've disables tls for smtp anyway. i still get cert errors when i read account using thiunderbird
[08:10:43] <Motoko-chan> Make sure to choose "No" for encryption.
[08:10:49] <Motoko-chan> Default is "if available"
[08:11:44] <pepe_swash> if i do that i get an error "plaintext auth disallowed on non-secure connections"
[08:12:09] <pepe_swash> which is why i thought postfix was the culprit
[08:12:17] <pepe_swash> and had encryption enabled
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[08:22:11] <rob0> Um, Pepe, there IS no "pop part" of Postfix. That would be some other server.
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[08:26:05] <pepe_swash> damnit, you're right. And i was wondering why i could not find any info on pop in docs... Shit happens.. thanks...
[08:27:18] <rob0> :)
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[08:28:01] <pepe_swash> have a nice day..thanks again.
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[10:29:41] <mija> hi there
[10:29:48] <mija> i have a problem with postfix...
[10:29:49] <mija> Jul 13 09:07:09 localhost postfix/smtp[11612]: CBE43135191: to=<lopetz at zoomerboys dot com>, relay=zoomerboys.com[157.161.7.31], delay=1, status=bounced (host zoomerboys.com[157.161.7.31
[10:29:59] <mija> it bounces mails and i don't know why
[10:30:06] <mija> how i can solve this issue
[10:33:48] <_ruben> you didnt paste the most important part of that line, the part that says why it bounces your message
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[10:35:27] <mija> ok moment pls
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[10:36:27] <mija> said: 550 5.7.1 local domain specified from non-local IP (in reply to end of DATA command))
[10:36:34] <mija> ;(
[10:37:08] <xpoint> and post postconf -n
[10:37:25] <xpoint> as stated in /topic
[10:37:44] <mija> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
[10:37:44] <mija> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[10:37:44] <mija> append_dot_mydomain = no
[10:37:44] <mija> biff = no
[10:37:44] <mija> bounce_queue_lifetime = 6h
[10:37:56] <mija> config_directory = /etc/postfix
[10:37:56] <mija> inet_interfaces = loopback-only
[10:37:56] <mija> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
[10:37:56] <mija> mailbox_size_limit = 0
[10:37:56] <mija> maximal_queue_lifetime = 6h
[10:38:08] <internat85> !pastebin
[10:38:08] <mija> mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[10:38:08] <mija> myhostname = www1.freeflux.net
[10:38:08] <mija> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
[10:38:08] <mija> myorigin = /etc/mailname
[10:38:08] <xpoint> ... not here
[10:38:08] <knoba> internat85: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
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[10:39:11] <mija> http://rafb.net/p/oTE7YR47.html
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[10:41:31] <mija> can any one help me to solve my bounce problem
[10:41:33] <mija> ;(
[10:47:20] <xpoint> if you posted on !pastebin i could have say with lines to change
[10:48:24] <xpoint> mija, remove line 4 14
[10:48:47] <xpoint> mija, and 17
[10:49:34] <mija> ok just moment pls
[10:50:19] <xpoint> it should work as a sending only mta ?
[10:51:01] <xpoint> damm debian default main.cf :(
[10:51:29] <mija> yes
[10:51:32] <mija> only sending mta
[10:52:40] <xpoint> ok then, then line 14 was not wroung, but it okay as default olso, when line 8 is there
[10:53:30] <xpoint> stop postfix now, and start it
[10:53:41] <xpoint> sendmail -bv root
[10:53:46] <xpoint> see logs
[10:54:22] <mija> i hope this will help ;(
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[10:54:50] <xpoint> it will help more to not use debian :-)
[10:54:57] <mija> ;=)
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[10:55:25] <mija> you prefered to use bsd?
[10:55:28] <mija> ;=)
[10:55:52] <xpoint> picobsd is better if one like to run on floppys
[10:56:05] <mija> ;=)
[10:57:50] <mija> is it possible to resend all the bounced e-mails?
[10:59:07] <xpoint> postsuper -d ALL
[10:59:16] <xpoint> delete
[10:59:19] <xpoint> :)
[11:00:10] <mija> xpoint thanks for your help....
[11:01:38] <xpoint> try the sendmail line, this should not spot any errors in logs
[11:01:57] <xpoint> sendmail -bv root
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[11:06:21] <xpoint> mija, please test
[11:07:27] <mija> how i can test it
[11:07:32] <xpoint> sendmail -bv root
[11:07:33] <mija> the error was not every time
[11:07:55] <xpoint> show me logs from the sendmail line
[11:08:15] <mija> freeflux:/var/log# sendmail -bv root
[11:08:15] <mija> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <root>.
[11:08:15] <mija> freeflux:/var/log# mail
[11:08:15] <mija> No mail for root
[11:08:18] <mija> this i have done
[11:08:24] <xpoint> if that does not work we still have problems
[11:08:42] <xpoint> damm
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[11:08:59] <xpoint> still fails since ROOT newer reads mails
[11:09:42] <xpoint> mija, see content of /etc/aliases
[11:10:27] <xpoint> mija, root: foo at domain dot tld
[11:10:58] <mija> http://rafb.net/p/W6rTpV68.html
[11:11:09] <mija> this is my aliases
[11:12:40] <xpoint> seems ok, but "No mail for root" seems still damm wroung to me
[11:13:34] <mija> ;...(
[11:14:10] <xpoint> wake up xpoint :), its not mal for root, but bitflux, su bitflux, mail
[11:15:34] <mija> there are only 2 mails
[11:15:38] <mija> 1 from chrony
[11:15:44] <mija> and one warning from mysql
[11:15:58] <xpoint> then it still brokken
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[11:16:36] <xpoint> give me the postconf -d | grep alias
[11:16:43] <mija> freeflux:/var/log# mailq
[11:16:43] <mija> Mail queue is empty
[11:17:00] <xpoint> mailq is not mailbox
[11:17:30] <mija> http://rafb.net/p/jyUfbj43.html
[11:17:54] <mija> i know that mailq is not the mailbox
[11:18:08] <mija> but how would postfix send a rapport if the queue is empty
[11:20:43] <xpoint> add: postconf -e 'proxy_interfaces=<wan-ip>' change <wan-ip> to your static wan ip
[11:22:31] <xpoint> mija, you ask me what is in your logs, funny :-)
[11:23:10] <mija> freeflux:/etc/network# postconf -e 'proxy_interfaces=194.50.176.167'
[11:23:10] <mija> freeflux:/etc/network#
[11:23:13] <mija> well done
[11:23:26] <mija> must i restart postfix again?
[11:24:24] <xpoint> reload is enough when its main.cf changes
[11:24:45] <xpoint> if it was master.cf you need to stop and start postfix
[11:24:56] <mija> freeflux:/etc/init.d# ./postfix reload
[11:24:56] <mija> Reloading Postfix configuration...done.
[11:24:56] <mija> freeflux:/etc/init.d#
[11:24:57] <mija> done
[11:29:15] <mija> xpoint: http://rafb.net/p/FTsZ2697.html
[11:32:05] <xpoint> see logs where root mail goes
[11:33:02] <mija> just moment
[11:34:52] <mija> here is the log: http://rafb.net/p/oseDIL93.html
[11:37:27] <xpoint> line 22 23 24 show me it works
[11:38:42] <xpoint> but you want local delivery ?
[11:41:16] <mija> hmmm
[11:41:23] <mija> its a very old system
[11:41:34] <xpoint> bad excuses :)
[11:41:39] <mija> ;=)
[11:42:03] <mija> just a moment pls i will try something
[11:42:26] <xpoint> mija, understanding postfix might olso helps
[11:42:38] <mark-use> what's wrong here?? Jul 16 09:47:59 natrium imapd-ssl: couriertls: accept: error:140D9115:SSL routines:SSL_GET_PREV_SESSION:session id context uninitialized
[11:43:23] <xpoint> unsure
[11:44:51] <mija> xpoint it realy seems to be good
[11:44:57] <mija> will try more tests
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[11:54:28] <zamba> any way i can get the client versions when they connect to my postfix?
[11:55:03] <f3ew> no
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[12:07:48] <xpoint> p0f ?
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[12:29:03] <ams> anyone got tips on backing up huge mailspools (maildir)?
[12:30:02] <lysander> filesystem snapshots ?
[12:30:17] * lysander has his maildirs on zfs, but something similar would also be fine
[12:30:39] <Trengo> yeah snapshots i guess
[12:30:48] <Trengo> how huge?
[12:31:12] <ams> about 100GiB
[12:31:50] <ams> the bottleneck is the amount of files
[12:32:42] <ams> and i doubt i could be able to switch to zfs... production machine, blech and double blech
[12:32:47] <ams> just looking for idea
[12:32:48] <ams> s
[12:32:59] <Trengo> 100GB isnt that much
[12:33:07] <Trengo> mine's 1TB and its not a lot
[12:33:45] <ams> how many files though?
[12:33:52] <shasta> ams, files in maildir are named with a unix timestamp, you can split maildirs "by date"
[12:33:57] <ams> or maybe zfs is nicer than ext3 on lots of files
[12:34:15] <ams> shasta: uhm,no i cannot
[12:34:23] <ams> that would screw up whatever silly rules a user has
[12:34:36] <shasta> well, just for backups, that is
[12:34:54] <ams> and how on earth would that be useful?
[12:35:07] <ams> i still would have to traverse 100k files per user, which is the bottleneck
[12:35:18] <Trengo> do a FS snapshot
[12:35:46] <ams> does ext3 support them?
[12:35:49] <shasta> no
[12:35:55] <shasta> LVM does, tho
[12:36:52] <ams> mm...
[12:36:57] * ams rtfms a bit more
[12:37:28] <Trengo> yeah and wouldn't disrupt service or setup much
[12:37:47] <shasta> (man lvcreate, see -s)
[12:37:56] <ams> can one dump snapshots to some offsite box and restore?
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[12:40:21] <shasta> well, lvm snapshot is a "frozen image" of the snapshotted volume
[12:40:43] <jelly> ams: our mailbox folders are split on multiple filesystems, each around 100GB size
[12:40:48] <shasta> you can backup it just like an actual filesystem with whatever tools you ues
[12:40:55] <shasta> s/ues/use/
[12:44:45] <f3ew_> ams, get a netapp?
[12:47:12] <ams> i think ih ave a plan now, thanks guys
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[12:55:31] <zeroC> hi there...
[12:55:35] <rgoldber> hi all - I just warpped up a 5 hour emergency migration of 9000 accts, 400 domains from qmail + ldap + custom userprefs app -> postfix + mysql
[12:55:53] <rgoldber> it sucked, I'm not an email admin, I'm more of a net admin.  it sucked.
[12:56:11] <zeroC> anyone german here?
[12:57:30] <rgoldber> anyway, one quick question.  passwords are in plaintext in the db - I need smtp auth to work - with the passwd in plaintext, am I going to be able to enable md5 or cram in a straightforward manner?
[12:58:19] <shasta> rgoldber, cram-md5 and digest-md5 can work *only* if you have plaintext password at the server end
[12:58:26] <shasta> (well, to be precise, at both ends :>)
[12:59:49] <rgoldber> ah ha.  well goody.
[13:00:26] <rgoldber> lemme poke around for a moment then
[13:00:57] * cpm uses plain auth, encrypted passwords in the database, and forces tls to avoid passing in the clear. done.
[13:01:39] <rgoldber> I have to accomodate the setting on hundreds of computers..
[13:02:12] <rgoldber> none of this was by choice, btw - I've been up since 1am.  it's 6am here now
[13:04:23] <f3ew_> rgoldber, ouch
[13:04:38] <f3ew_> 1 am is too early to be asleep
[13:04:58] <zeroC> i will try... ;) i've uploaded my postconf -n on http://pastebin.com/f6183076a
[13:05:19] <rgoldber> gracias zeroC
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[13:05:46] <zeroC> ups, please not in spanish... ;)
[13:05:53] <zeroC> english is hard enough
[13:06:07] <zeroC> so but, i cannot send any mail out... i've deleted my mail.log...
[13:06:15] <zeroC> still wait, i will add a new one
[13:06:16] <zeroC> :)
[13:06:32] <zeroC> but the problem is, no mail comes out
[13:08:01] <zeroC> does anyone now, what i can do, to get a new mail.log?
[13:08:14] 
[13:08:17] <zeroC> its archlinux
[13:09:38] <mwalling> syslogd should create a new file when it is restarted
[13:10:29] <zeroC> i've restart it, but nothing happened
[13:11:07] <zeroC> mwalling: sry
[13:11:10] <zeroC> it works
[13:11:10] <zeroC> :D
[13:12:21] <zeroC> mail.log http://pastebin.com/f37b2837
[13:16:18] <zeroC> mwalling: with it works i meant the mail.log was created
[13:16:18] <zeroC> :)
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[13:30:56] <zeroC> http://pastebin.com/m4d1b16ed
[13:31:01] <zeroC> hab mal versucht noch ne mail zu versenden
[13:33:08] <zeroC> ups, i've send another mail
[13:33:09] <zeroC> :)
[13:33:09] <zeroC> sry
[13:46:02] <rgoldber> ok - so, postfix - sasl - pam - mysql, they're talking to eachother and I can use use PLAIN and LOGIN.  I can add  DIGEST-MD5 and CRAM-MD5 to my mech_list, and the the smtpd claims to support it, but of course authentication doesn't work.  I feel I'm missing jut one key thing here.  Any takers?
[13:49:16] <mwalling> !sasl
[13:49:16] <knoba> mwalling: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[13:49:49] <zeroC> mwalling: do you have an idea for my problem too?
[13:49:55] <mwalling> also, you said you werent a mail admin, but i'm sure you learned something in the past 6 hours, but you should still read
[13:49:59] <mwalling> !basic
[13:50:00] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[13:50:03] <mwalling> and
[13:50:06] <mwalling> !standard
[13:50:06] <knoba> mwalling: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[13:50:17] <_apk> hi! :)
[13:50:39] <zeroC> hi _apk
[13:50:41] <mwalling> and /topic
[13:50:42] <mwalling> er
[13:50:59] <rgoldber> I'll keep it up, just getting sleepy/stupid
[13:51:23] <rgoldber> (but yeah, I've read that)
[13:51:29] <mwalling> and
[13:51:31] <mwalling> !virtual
[13:51:31] <knoba> mwalling: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[13:54:13] <shasta> rgoldber, what do you mean by "smtpd claims to support it"?
[13:54:53] <rgoldber> I mean if I add trhose to mech_list and do an ehlo, it responds with them in the list
[13:55:12] <rgoldber> but, if I try and auth with either of them, it does not work.
[13:55:29] <rgoldber> (but PLAIN and LOGIN do)
[13:58:21] <rgoldber> so, postfix is talking to sasl is talking to pam is talking to mysql
[14:08:07] <rgoldber> got packt capture, transaction looks ok, but of course I get 535 auth failed back
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[14:08:31] <rgoldber> I'll see if I can't crank up the logging somewhere in the region of pam+sasl
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[14:15:02] <rgoldber> erm maybe I'm barking up the worng tree: http://osdir.com/ml/security.cyrus.sasl/2003-11/msg00001.html   I give up for now, need sleep, let them live with LOGIN and PLANI
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[16:36:02] <ams> who knows there filesystems?
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[16:39:59] <seekwill> I know mine
[16:41:01] <ams> know a good one for a bazillion small files.. :-)
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[16:41:21] <ams> (mail/news spool)
[16:41:27] <seekwill> We use ext2
[16:42:18] <ams> interesting
[16:42:23] <f3ew_> ReiserFS, but it's unreliable under load
[16:42:27] <ams> not xfs or some such beast?
[16:43:03] <seekwill> Is it cliche to make jokes about ReiserFS?
[16:43:13] <f3ew_> yes
[16:43:23] <f3ew_> xfs, not for mail spools
[16:43:31] <f3ew_> ufs2 is good
[16:43:35] <f3ew_> as is ZFS
[16:43:37] <seekwill> ams: ext2 comes with RHEL... so just "easier"
[16:43:45] <ams> i don't use rhel...
[16:43:46] <f3ew_> ext2 is good too
[16:43:51] <f3ew_> What do you use?
[16:43:55] <ams> debian
[16:44:02] <seekwill> We've had issues with zfs. ufs seemed better, but I forgot the options.
[16:44:05] <ams> in either case, not relevant...
[16:44:10] <jelly> seekwill: rhel doesn't really support a whole bunch of filesystems... you have ext3 or ext2.
[16:44:22] <seekwill> jelly: That's the point
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[16:44:48] <ams> so nobody uses a journal fs for spools?
[16:45:03] * jelly uses ext3 by default
[16:45:12] <f3ew_> jelly, also XFS
[16:45:20] <jelly> f3ew_: since when?
[16:45:26] <f3ew_> Ancient times
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[16:45:42] <f3ew_> you just have to load the module at boot if you want the rootfs to be on xfs
[16:46:06] <ams> so do you pass any funny switches to the kernel for ext2/3?
[16:46:08] <jelly> f3ew_: my rhel4 kernel doesn't even have an xfs module
[16:46:12] <ams> say, noatime and such.
[16:46:22] <seekwill> ams: noatime is good
[16:46:45] <jelly> f3ew_: a rhel5 machine neither
[16:47:19] <ams> well then, i'll go with ext3 as I did before...
[16:47:29] <f3ew_> hmmmm
[16:47:37] <jelly> f3ew_: mmm, scrap that last one, I forgot I reinstalled the '5 machine back to rhel4
[16:49:43] <jelly> seekwill: noatime messes up etrn, afair?
[16:50:10] <f3ew_> yes
[16:50:24] <f3ew_> but this is spool, not queue
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[16:51:43] <jelly> oh, right
[16:51:54] * jelly doesn't read O:-)
[16:52:53] <ams> any other useful switches for a mailspool?
[16:53:37] <jelly> ext3 with hashed directory entries (-O dir_index; might or might not be the default for your mke2fs, depending on version and config) is a-ok
[16:54:22] <ams> interesting
[16:55:00] <ams> anything else fun? :)
[16:55:51] <jelly> this was one of two killer features reiserfs v3 had, compared to ext2 at that time.  The other one was tail packing
[16:56:51] <jelly> however, after waiting for one reiserfsck run to finish under 72 hours, we somehow decided against using reiserfs ever again
[16:58:51] <jelly> ams: not related to mail spool usage; but if you have dynamically expandable block devices (lvm or LUNs exported from a SAN device), using -O resize_inode will make your ext3 resizable online (no need to umount)
[16:59:25] <ams> ah, lovley
[17:01:19] <jelly> so basically mke2fs -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,resize_inode /dev/wherever; add labels and other options to taste
[17:11:17] <ams> and now for a stupid question...
[17:12:00] <ams> what are the silly options to setup so that mail is dumped to /com/mail/USER, /com/mail/USER being the root directory (i.e. /home/USER/Maildir)?
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[17:18:50] <e_> hey guys
[17:19:12] <e_> what would be the smartest way to relay specific local users to a different smtp host?
[17:19:16] <e_> not all, only a few
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[17:22:32] <xpoint> hi hparker welcome back
[17:22:40] <hparker> ty
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[17:27:36] * cpm hides
[17:30:33] <ams> seems everyone did =)
[17:31:44] <shasta> e_, man 5 transport
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[17:33:47] <e_> ah nice, when i glanced over it i understood it for whole domains
[17:33:48] <e_> thx
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[17:47:41] <e_> nah, goes to maildir
[17:47:54] <zeitsofas> http://www.bamstevinho.de/ !!hilfe zur selbsthilfe!!
[17:48:07] <e_> shasta: does this maybe affect nonlocal addresses?
[17:49:33] <zeitsofas> i'm sorry i forgot amsg did post on all connectet servers :(
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[17:55:02] <e_> zeitsofas: wether you spam here or somewhere else doesn't make your spam less spam
[17:55:25] <zeitsofas> e_: im so sorry :(
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[18:53:07] <markl__> i am trying to run postfix as a catch all test smtp server - i want it to send all mail to all addresses to a single maildir - what is the easiest way to configure this?
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[18:55:56] <cpm> aliases
[18:56:03] <cpm> @domain.com userid
[18:56:05] <cpm> done
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[19:01:08] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[19:01:23] <FuriousGeorge> i think i got someone who blacklisted me due to greylisting
[19:02:44] <FuriousGeorge> what's that system called where an MTA sends a verification message which must be verified via response before it will send mail to the destination mailbox?
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[19:03:43] <UQlev> FuriousGeorge: challenge-response
[19:04:11] <FuriousGeorge> anyway, i have a 3rd party using that system.  I don't believe it resends the challenge-response (thanks UQlev) to my greylisting domains
[19:04:28] <FuriousGeorge> good theory?
[19:04:41] <FuriousGeorge> im gonna call my user and ask if she got one
[19:05:05] <UQlev> if it is normal mail-server challenge message is sent same as regular mails within several days
[19:05:48] <UQlev> greylisting usually counts several attempts
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[19:09:12] <FuriousGeorge> hmm, maybe postgrey on my side is doing it
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[19:19:22] <FuriousGeorge> UQlev: ok, so maybe my theory wasnt that great
[19:21:15] <FuriousGeorge> still think shes blacklisted us...  ive been blacklisted for improper rDNS when it was fine
[19:21:21] <FuriousGeorge> by a guy with no rDNS on his mail server
[19:21:34] <FuriousGeorge> a "web developer" no less
[19:22:10] <FuriousGeorge> also, it says:
[19:22:10] <FuriousGeorge> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
[19:23:16] <FuriousGeorge> Mailer-Daemon at host2 dot shovi.com
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[20:46:52] <LordDicranius> I'm looking through /home/user/Maildir/cur and I'm seeing filenames that look like this: msg.EvAr:2,FRS.  I notice most of the emails end with AR:2,* with * being a combination of "F" "R" and "S".  do the names follow a specific naming convention/syntax?  If so, what do the AR:2 and "F/R/S" mean?
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[21:14:41] <higuita> LordDicranius: http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
[21:16:11] <LordDicranius> higuita: perfect! thank you :-)
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[21:31:30] <gpled> doing my first postfix from source install.  seems to be going well.   i was wondering, when a new patch comes out, how do i apply it?
[21:33:27] <devdas> rebuild Postfix
[21:33:55] * devdas tends to update once in a blue moon, so I just download the entire tarball, build with the same opetion and make upgrade
[21:37:07] <cpm> yup.
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[22:03:56] <gpled> thanks for the tips
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[22:58:23] <dennda> Hi. In virtual_domains, can I create an alias that fetches all mail being sent to it and forwards them to another email adress on a completely different server?
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[23:02:33] <dennda> Ah very well. It works by just putting the email adress behind the alias :)
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[23:18:16] <UberDuper> So I have an interesting mail setup and I'm trying to figure a way to tackle backscatter and queuing of NDRs that'll never go anywhere anyhow.
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[23:18:47] <UberDuper> I've got a postfix/mailscanner smtp gateway that relays to a postfix/cyrus mailhost.
[23:19:59] <UberDuper> On the mailhost we use a virtusertable as an alias file. In many cases we have an entry @domain.tld  user at domain dot tld
[23:20:07] <UberDuper> As a catch all for the domain.
[23:20:41] <UberDuper> And we have entries for commonlyspammed at domain dot tld   nosuchaddress
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[23:20:56] <UberDuper> nosuchaddress is defined in the aliases db to deliver to /dev/null
[23:21:53] <UberDuper> Domains configured in this manner aren't a problem since all addresses at those domains are valid and get delivered.
[23:22:13] <UberDuper> It's the domains that don't use the @domain.tld  user at domain dot tld virtusertable entry.
[23:22:45] <UberDuper> We're generating and attempting to deliver tons of NDRs.
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[23:28:28] <madduck> okay, this is freaking me out a bit:
[23:28:28] <madduck> Jul 16 23:28:14 seamus postfix/pipe[20927]: 3537E401C23: to=<testlist at lists dot madduck.net>, relay=mailman, delay=1.5, delays=0.8/0.01/0/0.65, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman service)
[23:28:40] <madduck> but /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py isn't accessed
[23:28:52] <madduck> /dev/sda5 on / type xfs (rw,noatime)
[23:29:01] <madduck> aha, that explains this part
[23:29:08] <madduck> still,mailman doesn't get the message.
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[23:29:19] <madduck> *nothing* in its logs
[23:30:25] <xpoint> madduck, what version of mailman ?
[23:30:46] <madduck> 2.1.11
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[23:31:33] <xpoint> try reconfigure without postfix-to-mailman.py and use the old style with alias pipes
[23:31:51] <madduck> is it a known bug?
[23:32:07] <xpoint> could be i run 2.1.9 here
[23:32:07] <madduck> i'd really rather not go via alias pipes... we have >1000 lists
[23:32:35] <xpoint> ups
[23:33:11] <xpoint> it can be postfix that miss transport_maps to mailman:
[23:33:37] <xpoint> but the logs above show this works
[23:34:03] <xpoint> reley=mailman, so the mails is lost in the py code
[23:34:34] <madduck> ./conf/mailman_lists.hash:testlist at lists dot madduck.net      mailman:
[23:34:37] <madduck> and so on...
[23:34:47] <madduck> yeah, looks like it.
[23:35:01] <madduck> ./main.cf:#mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
[23:35:03] <madduck> hm...
[23:35:06] <madduck> wtf?
[23:35:26] <madduck> someone has been playing around
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[23:35:40] <xpoint> ./main.cf:#mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 vs ./main.cf:mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1
[23:35:52] <madduck> yeah
[23:36:14] <xpoint> # remove if its commented
[23:36:55] <markl__> is it possible for my test null mail server to accept mail for all domains
[23:37:02] <markl__> e.g. mydestination *
[23:37:41] <xpoint> sendmail -bv <>
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[23:38:00] <xpoint> not tested here )
[23:38:04] <madduck> if only i knew where the python script's stderr went to
[23:38:35] <xpoint> madduck, yes, make a good bug report on it
[23:39:33] <madduck> once i have more info
[23:39:56] <madduck>     sys.exit(EX_SOFTWARE)
[23:39:57] <xpoint> madduck, it took me very long time to make mailman work here a lack of docs and wroung info makes it hard to do right
[23:40:10] <madduck> in the .py file still causes the mail to be accepted
[23:40:54] <madduck> oh lol, don't use sudoedit :)
[23:41:03] <madduck> Jul 16 23:40:59 seamus postfix/pipe[25453]: E5B38401C1C: to=<testlist at lists dot madduck.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0.37, delays=0.27/0.01/0/0.09, dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (internal software error. Command output: FOOBAR)
[23:41:07] <madduck> :)
[23:41:27] <xpoint> fixed ?
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[23:42:12] <madduck> not yet
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[23:44:59] <madduck> it gets delivered to /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman and then gets lost
[23:44:59] <madduck> it gets delivered to /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman and then gets lostuh oh.
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[23:48:55] <xpoint> hmm
[23:49:42] <xpoint> args to mailman is maybe wroing from the master.cf pipe
[23:50:01] <madduck> nope
[23:50:03] <xpoint> hmm hmm
[23:50:05] <madduck> (and it used to work)
[23:50:30] <madduck> i have to poke more in the mailman inards
[23:50:43] <xpoint> yes
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[23:52:16] <madduck> Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
[23:52:16] <madduck> wrapper script to be executed as group "daemon", but
[23:52:16] <madduck> the system's mail server executed the mail script as
[23:52:16] <madduck> group "madduck".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
[23:52:28] <madduck> so in this case, it's being executed as group daemon
[23:52:31] <madduck> uh, list
[23:53:04] * madduck tries user=list:daemon instead of user=list
[23:53:13] <madduck> no luck
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