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[00:22:13] <Robban> Hi again... Now I got virus & spam check up and running! :D Anyway, time to have some nice graphs and statistics for the spams... any tips?
[00:23:10] <Robban> Signum: Thanks for an EXCELLENT guide to setting up an e-mail server!
[00:24:01] <pickcoder> mailgraph
[00:24:28] <Robban> OK. Thanks
[00:24:30] <pickcoder> queuegraph
[00:27:04] <adamt> Robban: which guide did you follow? :-)
[00:27:40] <Robban> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
[00:27:41] <Robban> :D
[00:27:55] <adamt> Robban: thanks
[00:28:22] <Robban> After using the guide, installting 4 fresh installations, testing, modifying... i'm now a pretty good rookie :D
[00:28:53] <Robban> only problem was clamav and their updates on my debian system... since there is no up-to-date debs for clamav... it locked my entire mailsystem up since it couldn't update the av-database
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[01:00:34] <pgib> hey guys, I am having trouble.  I have postfix running, and it basically works
[01:00:53] <pgib> I set mydestinations  and I can receive mail from all the destinations except for $mydomain
[01:00:54] <pgib> http://rafb.net/p/blchR627.html
[01:01:21] <pgib> I can receive mail from user at mail dot voicesheardmedia.com user at cheese dot voicesheardmedia.com but NOT user at voicesheardmedia dot com  -- any ideas?
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[01:03:06] <Robban> http://stat.svira.se/mailgraph.cgi :-D
[01:05:05] <onre> almost a message per second, wohoo!
[01:05:21] <onre> oh sorry, not even that much
[01:06:02] <onre> if i hadn't just come from a bar, my brain might have worked better...
[01:09:49] <Robban> :D
[01:10:16] <Robban> Give me 3 more days, and i will be on a bar to... for 3 weeks... it's vaccation-time :P
[01:10:20] <Robban> well, time for a movie, cu guys!
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[01:48:27] <feld> can anyone here explain to me how DomainKeys / DKIM works for multiple domains? i have both working for my work's domain but our mailserver also does a lot of mailing for other domains we work with... is this possible? do i need to create a key and sign for EACH of them? (that sounds overkill!) so i simply need a dns record for each of them? a._domainkey.FOO.com, a._domainkey.BARR.com, etc in *my* DNS?
[01:49:34] <feld> i mean for other domains i see it puts the domainkeys and DKIM signature on there but it says the result is null because there's no valid sig for that domain
[01:50:15] <feld> so then i wonder how this is really supposed to work. i really wish there was better documentation in this; the RFC isn't being helpful and nobody seems to discuss this scenario.
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[02:16:19] <mwalling> !basic
[02:16:20] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[02:24:25] <mwalling> !cheatsheet
[02:24:26] <knoba> mwalling: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[03:00:45] <magyar> grr, I am getting bullshit mail with noreplay at randomdomain dot com. I keep training spamassassin with this junk, but it keeps tagging it -2.95
[03:00:49] <magyar> wtf?
[03:05:17] <feld> train it with lots of good ham too
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[03:13:29] <simmerz> how good prevention against remote attacks is setting mynetworks to only trusted networks? should I use a firewall to confirm that policy or is the mynetworks option enough?
[03:14:12] <ndonegan> simmerz: mynetworks is enough
[03:14:19] <simmerz> ndonegan: thanks
[03:14:25] <ndonegan> saying that, I'm an anal bastard and set it in iptables as well
[03:14:59] <simmerz> I'd rather only use iptables where it's necessary and lock down specific services as much as needed
[03:14:59] <ndonegan> But the server doesn't recieve mail from the general internet
[03:15:24] <simmerz> nor does mine. only from a mail scanning server
[03:15:25] <ndonegan> if your postfix install recieves from the general net, iptables is useless
[03:17:20] <simmerz> :q
[03:17:22] <simmerz> oops
[03:17:32] <ndonegan> heh :)
[03:18:08] * simmerz uses vim, yes
[03:18:24] <ndonegan> simmerz: good to see you have sense :)
[03:18:44] * ndonegan disappears for the night
[03:18:48] <simmerz> night
[03:18:54] <ndonegan> 2am here, and I have work at 8 :(
[03:19:04] <simmerz> same
[03:19:06] <simmerz> uk then
[03:19:12] <ndonegan> IE
[03:19:23] <simmerz> donegan should have given that away
[03:19:49] <simmerz> i'm clearly too tired too
[03:20:07] <ndonegan> get some sleep, you'll be better for it :)
[03:20:26] <simmerz> just gotta setup backup2l on one of my webservers and i'm away!
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[03:36:30] <rob0> lptr: Same recipient both times? Same sender? The qmail box isn't telling you why it rejected the first one, but if the sender differs, you didn't do an accurate test.
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[03:38:57] <Karcamo[x]> hi !
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[04:12:38] * sahil drops a pin
[04:14:00] <snadge> *ding*
[04:14:17] <sahil> :P
[04:15:15] <sahil> snadge: following up on your conversation earlier with xpoint, you guys forgot postfwd. :)
[04:18:01] <snadge> i dont even know what that does? :P
[04:20:11] <sahil> http://www.postfwd.org
[04:29:31] <Karcamo[x]> hello ?
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[04:33:06] <AntreKotik> sahil, is there any major difference between policy daemons? for example postfwd and policy-weight???
[04:35:37] <AntreKotik> I'm going to implement one on my mailer but I'm in doubts which one would be the best one
[04:35:51] <rob0> Um, they're all coded to do different things?
[04:36:18] <rob0> policyd-weight is/was a great idea, but robtone_ had to give it up.
[04:36:25] <AntreKotik> As far as I can see they are pretty similar in functionality
[04:36:53] <rob0> I haven't looked much at postfwd, but it's maintained. So is the older one, policyd.
[04:37:43] <rob0> One thing robtone_ was afraid to do, but I strongly recommend, is to reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org.
[04:37:47] <rob0> !zen
[04:37:47] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[04:41:28] <AntreKotik> ummmm... I think I have some very usefull info now. Thanx people! Going to dig it a little
[04:42:21] <rob0> .su ? How long is that TLD going to be around?
[04:43:22] <AntreKotik> I dunno but I like it ^_^
[04:43:45] <rob0> :)
[04:44:02] <rob0> I think they are doing away with .yu
[04:44:19] <rob0> but .su was obviously a bit bigger :)
[04:45:06] <AntreKotik> yeah, little bit, yeah )
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[04:52:29] <Karcamo[x]> hi !
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[05:22:07] <sahil> rob0: agreed.  i reject based on zen even before handing mail off to a policy daemon.
[05:22:59] <sahil> AntreKotik: you can try both, policyd-weight still runs on a production box for us, but aside from that one machine we've transitioned to postfwd.  you can read the docs or even the code.  it's pretty readable perl, so you can make sure nothing too nefarious is lurking. :P
[05:24:13] <sahil> there's an excellent sample config here: http://hege.li/howto/spam/etc/postfwd/postfwd.conf -- you would obviously have to tweak to your own needs.  for example, reject IPs listed on zen before postfwd instead of within.  but YMMV, TIMTOWDI, etc. etc.
[05:25:23] <AntreKotik> sahil, thanx a lot. I' m just reading installation and config info on postfwd. Seams  to be right the thing I looked for
[05:27:58] <sahil> AntreKotik: np, and good luck.
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[06:05:48] <spat> when disabling a certain DNSBL blacklist in spamassassin like: score RCVD_IN_RFCI 0, is this just a workaround so it wont do anything with the blacklist or will it really not performe the checks?
[06:06:01] <spat> i want to disable a few blacklists because they are already being checked in postfix or not important enough to spent time/bandwidth on
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[06:07:08] <rob0> If you're using a local caching nameserver, you won't care about multiple checks of the same RR
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[07:02:47] <bondoer> hi folks, just oen simple question, is it possible to unhold message from queue from within content filter script??
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[07:34:36] <monogamoussocks> hello all! i'm beating my head against the desk trying to integrate mailman-2.1.11 into my existing postfix/dovecot virtual hosting setup.
[07:35:30] <monogamoussocks> i've followed the Mailman docs as closely as I can, and have the appropriate alias_maps/virtual_alias_maps entries pointing to (up-to-date) mailman alias files
[07:36:41] <monogamoussocks> the server works fine for any mailboxes i've configured under the previous virtual hosting setup... mail is delivered tickety-boo
[07:37:40] <monogamoussocks> however, attempting delivery to any mailman lists fails. postfix appears to be passing mail immediately to dovecot for delivery, seemingly ignoring the alias definitions i've supplied it.
[07:37:54] <monogamoussocks> my postconf -n is here: http://pastie.org/230475
[07:38:26] <monogamoussocks> if anyone has any ideas, i'd be enormously grateful
[07:39:20] <f3ew> Configure deliver to pipe the mail into mailman?
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[07:41:56] <monogamoussocks> f3ew, do you mean use an alternative transport?
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[07:43:19] <monogamoussocks> i've happened upon some documentation that suggests using the "mailman" transport in master.cf, but the docs i've found so far involve additional domain names (i.e. lists. mydomain.com), which i'd like to avoid.
[07:44:05] * f3ew likes the lists.example.com solution
[07:44:35] <f3ew> monogamoussocks, If Postfix is piping the message to deliver, you configure deliver to pipe it to mailman
[07:46:25] <monogamoussocks> f3ew, are you referring to dovecot's deliver?
[07:46:38] <monogamoussocks> the lda?
[07:47:28] <monogamoussocks> i hadn't even thought of that :p thanks
[07:48:04] <monogamoussocks> out of curiousity, any idea why Postfix would ignore the various alias definitions?
[07:48:23] <f3ew> virtual(8) does not deliver to pipes
[07:49:14] <monogamoussocks> AH
[07:50:55] <monogamoussocks> er, i thought i understood. perhaps i don't.  the file "/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman" contains pairs like so: "listname at domain dot com     listname"
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[07:51:41] <monogamoussocks> then /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases contains 'listname         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post listname"'
[07:52:41] <monogamoussocks> so because the address listname at domain dot com is ultimately resolved to a pipe, postfix's virtual delivery will not work?
[07:57:08] <f3ew> listname changes to listname@$myorigin, an if $myorigin is handled by virtual(8), then delivery to the pipe will fail
[07:57:56] <monogamoussocks> AH!
[07:58:03] <monogamoussocks> thank you, that clarifies things.
[07:58:37] <monogamoussocks> maybe a subdomain IS the best way to go then :)
[07:59:27] <monogamoussocks> thanks f3ew, i really appreciate the assistance. i better head to bed and get this working tomorrow morning.
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[08:20:25] <sysmonk> f3ew: remind me, are you using powerdns or named?
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[08:24:31] <f3ew> sysmonk, named right now, moving to powerdns
[08:24:58] <sysmonk> ah, k
[08:25:03] <sysmonk> even for recursing ?
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[08:28:18] <f3ew> yes
[08:28:26] <sysmonk> what's the benefits on that?
[08:28:58] <f3ew> It works better, uses less memory
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[08:32:37] <sysmonk> f3ew: how much queries/s you have?
[08:33:31] <f3ew> sysmonk, a few thousand/minute
[08:34:45] <sysmonk> f3ew: what's about /second ?
[08:37:09] <sysmonk> 28120 09-Jul-2008 09:34
[08:37:09] <sysmonk> 28599 09-Jul-2008 09:35
[08:37:09] <sysmonk> 30013 09-Jul-2008 09:36
[08:37:13] <f3ew> sysmonk, about 3000 qps for one set of auth servers, about 10000 x 6 for another 6 sets, and ~ 30K qps across a third
[08:38:13] <sysmonk> i'm just thinking of should i move or should i not
[08:38:28] <sysmonk> although everything works quite well after a bit of tuning
[08:42:56] <sysmonk> f3ew: btw, about the sets - you have them load balanced ?
[08:43:17] <sysmonk> or what do you mean by saying 'sets' ?
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[08:48:21] <f3ew> sysmonk, set of 7 highly loaded servers serving ads, with a pair of nameservers for each set
[08:48:30] <f3ew> each NS doing about 10K qps
[08:50:10] <sysmonk> ah
[08:50:20] <sysmonk> so each of em is runing dns ?
[08:50:28] <sysmonk> or are there seperate dns machines for em?
[08:51:27] <sysmonk> ok ok, i won't be asking anymore :P
[08:51:30] * sysmonk stops the offtopic
[08:53:10] <f3ew> a pair of NS for each webserver set, 6 such webserver sets
[08:55:05] <f3ew> each set has a loadbalancer in front
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[09:02:15] <sysmonk> so how much servers (Web servers) does a 'server set' have?
[09:02:53] <f3ew> 7
[09:03:48] <sysmonk> ah, so it's 6x7 web servers and 6x2 dns servers
[09:03:49] <sysmonk> dight?
[09:03:52] <sysmonk> right*
[09:05:38] <f3ew> yes
[09:05:49] <sysmonk> quite nice
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[09:06:04] <sysmonk> all of em having a seperate hardware, or virtualized?
[09:06:19] <f3ew> separate hardware
[09:06:45] <sysmonk> 60 servers, hmmm :)
[09:07:07] <sysmonk> should be quite a good client :P
[09:07:12] <sysmonk> customer
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[09:09:20] * f3ew points to the serving ads bit
[09:10:28] <sysmonk> um, so what?
[09:10:40] <sysmonk> or are you working for a ads company ? :)
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[09:16:27] <f3ew> part of what we do is typosquatted domains, but I am not associated with that side of the business
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[09:33:43] <sysmonk> f3ew: hmm, i see
[09:33:46] <sysmonk> didn't know that
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[10:16:56] <cedric3> hi all i have a probleme with yaa autoresponder and postfix i don't know why i begin crazy  when i try to send to email who is on holiday i have yaa error : Autoresponse will not be sent to empty or undefined sender address. i use this documentation :  http://www.howtoforge.com/autoresponders_for_virtual_postfix_users i don't know why if you can help me thanks
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[10:38:58] <cedric3> nobody idea?
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[11:25:39] <sysmonk> anyone knows if it's somehow possible to see what dns records does google.com see?
[11:26:56] <shasta> ask some googler :)
[11:28:02] <sysmonk> where can i find one ? :P
[11:28:27] <sysmonk> just don't say to google for google :P
[11:30:54] <jelly> sysmonk: find the largest channel and yell for people working at google?
[11:31:09] * f3ew finds one
[11:31:15] <f3ew> Now to see if he's awake
[11:32:35] <shasta> sysmonk, msg me records you need to check
[11:32:37] <sysmonk> f3ew: tell us his nick, we'll page him till he wakes up! :)
[11:35:15] <f3ew> heh
[11:35:35] <f3ew> what records do you need checked?
[11:35:42] <f3ew> sysmonk he said to poke him in an hour or so
[11:37:08] <sysmonk> f3ew: google doesn't accept emails from one servers and says it's not 'authorized' and gives a link to a faq about ptr's not matching hostname
[11:37:21] <sysmonk> won't paste the ip here as it's not my server, it's my friends sserver
[11:37:39] <sysmonk> i already gave the info to shasta and if he won't be able to look it up i'll msg you
[11:39:13] <f3ew> K
[11:40:47] <shasta> waiting for my guy to wake up ;)
[11:40:59] <cedric3> hi all i have a probleme with yaa autoresponder and postfix i don't know why i begin crazy  when i try to send to email who is on holiday i have yaa error : Autoresponse will not be sent to empty or undefined sender address. i use this documentation :  http://www.howtoforge.com/autoresponders_for_virtual_postfix_users i don't know why if you can help me thanks
[11:41:01] <sysmonk> ay, maybe it's the same one ? :P
[11:41:25] <shasta> oh, woke up, so ... no :)
[11:44:16] * f3ew was talking to Google's network manager
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[11:54:38] <sysmonk> f3ew: hm, works magically again, although goes to junk folder, but i'm not concerned about that, so thanks anyway
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[11:56:38] <dusty> xpoint, Hey are you around ?
[11:57:01] <dusty> sysmonk, hey dude.. I have postfixadmin installed can you help me in migrating the data over to the postfixadmin tablees ?
[11:57:19] <dusty> I have two domains and one user on each domain as it stands so not much data
[12:00:13] <sysmonk> dusty: why don't you just do that by hand via postfixadmin ?
[12:00:19] <sysmonk> add the domains add the users and that's all
[12:00:29] <sysmonk> and then set postfix to use new tables
[12:00:54] <dusty> ok
[12:00:57] <dusty> let me try it that way
[12:01:15] <sysmonk> i won't be able to help right now as i have some work to do
[12:01:20] <dusty> do users then just login like i do as an admin only they use their email address and mailbox password ?
[12:01:22] <sysmonk> (bind update...)
[12:01:27] <dusty> no problems
[12:01:30] <dusty> theres a new update to bind ?
[12:01:44] <sysmonk> yeah, bug in bind
[12:01:46] <sysmonk> security update
[12:02:09] <dusty> eek
[12:02:18] <dusty> thanks i need to update my bind
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[12:03:32] <dusty> sysmonk, that's why I like debian, my bind update is done :-]
[12:04:41] <sysmonk> dusty: sure, but i don't think your bind does 500+ queries per second and if it won't work for a few minutes your clients wont' even notice
[12:04:59] <dusty> yikes
[12:05:09] <dusty> what kinda network do you admin ?
[12:05:20] <sysmonk> little one :)
[12:05:29] <sysmonk> atleast there are hundreds and thousands of bigger networks
[12:06:55] <xpoint> dusty, i need to rebuild my hardware so i will be off line some hours now, but yes just make sure postfix admin create same passwords as your current db have this will be all to migrade to it
[12:08:15] <xpoint> and then redo the mysql maps to give same results as  the old one does, when this is done it works
[12:08:30] <xpoint> l8tr
[12:08:43] <dusty> cheers
[12:08:44] <dusty> thanks man
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[12:09:45] <cedric3> nobody use yaa autorespondeur ?
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[12:15:59] <cedric3> i have this error when itry to use yaa respondeur Command died with status 1:
[12:15:59] <cedric3>     "/usr/local/yaa-0.3/bin/yaa.pl". Command output: Cannot continue, becouse    no lookup maps were defined.
[12:16:11] <cedric3> if you have an idea thanks
[12:18:45] <dusty> I'm guessing you have not specified any lookup maps ?
[12:19:00] <dusty> http://www.google.co.uk/custom?q=Command+output%3A+Cannot+continue%2C+becouse++++no+lookup+maps+were+defined.&sa=Search&client=pub-2070091971271392&forid=1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1
[12:19:02] <dusty> check that out :)
[12:19:57] <cedric3> thanks is see that now and hope that solve my problem
[12:20:36] <jelly> "becouse"?
[12:20:45] <shasta> why adsense?
[12:23:09] <dusty> It's just a search interface I use.
[12:23:48] <shasta> don't force others, tho
[12:23:55] <sysmonk> shasta: it gives him $$ for searching ( and if he clicks on some ad he'll find useful while watching the search results )
[12:24:06] <dusty> no its not that
[12:24:13] <dusty> its the default web page in ubuntu firefox
[12:24:14] <dusty> heh
[12:24:18] <dusty> im not that cheeky ;)
[12:24:21] <f3ew> http://lopsa.org/files/Lopsa%20Out%20of%20Band%20talk.pdf
[12:24:22] <sysmonk> o_O
[12:24:28] <dusty> that would be low
[12:24:29] <dusty> heh
[12:24:33] <dusty> but not a bad idea ;)
[12:25:02] <dusty> In my postfix database I have, virtual_users, virtual_domains and virtual_aliases. It is these tables i need to remap, but the postfixadmin has loads
[12:25:37] <dusty> like admin, alias, config, domain, domain_admins, fetchmail, log, mailbox, vacation, vacation_notification
[12:25:40] <dusty> which ones link up?
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[12:26:33] <dusty> ANd also wqon't my .cf map files need new sql syntax to read the new tables ?
[12:27:51] <dusty> hrm
[12:28:23] <dusty> So I have created the two domains and two users on each domain via postfixadmin, looking at the /etc/postfix/*.cf maps they contain sql to search for speifici  things, im not sure what to do here.
[12:28:25] <dusty> hmm
[12:29:12] <cedric3> it not solve my probleme yaa i have Autoresponse will not be sent to empty or undefined sender address
[12:29:15] <cedric3> strange
[12:30:32] <dusty> never used an autoresponder as in my experience they never work right
[12:31:20] <cedric3> :'( it was working i don"t know why not it break
[12:34:38] <dusty> Do they have a mailing list or support forum or even specific irc channel to focus your attention on ?
[12:35:45] <cedric3> i search but nothink
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[13:25:17] <alpn> I've got a problem that postfix keeps delivering the same message (again and again) every 10-15 minutes.
[13:25:28] <alpn> (with the same id)
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[13:32:43] <cpm> and what status is postfix receiving when finishes sending?
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[13:41:09] <dusty> damn
[13:41:14] <dusty> sysmonk, you there?
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[13:44:01] <alpn> cpm: it does not say any status in logs in the end. The problem only occurs, when it sends mails to aliases.
[13:44:28] <cpm> there is always a status whenever a mail is sent/delivered
[13:44:44] <cpm> perhaps you might want to pastebin some relevant logs somewhere so we can have a look?
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[13:51:53] <alpn> cpm: http://paste.servut.us/nll
[13:52:45] <alpn> this is wha I get from grep "E5ABC3FE08E" /var/log/maillog
[13:53:01] <cpm> what's the problem?
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[13:53:20] <cpm> there is an alias for staff that sends an email to a pile of people, who in turn, get it.
[13:53:29] <alpn> Well, as you can see the message gets delivered three time in the log, even it has been sent once.
[13:53:31] <cpm> dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
[13:53:42] <alpn> +s
[13:54:28] <cpm> that is curious
[13:54:34] * cpm continues to look
[13:55:32] <cpm> what does your alias for staff look like?
[13:57:05] <cpm> don't go there, that's a guess, and it won't lead anywhere
[13:57:10] * cpm continues to chew on this
[13:57:23] <cedric3> cpm : hi can you help me pelase with yaa respondeur please
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[14:03:36] <alpn> cpm: http://paste.servut.us/elt it looks like this
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[14:13:57] <cpm> cedric3, ?
[14:15:12] <cedric3> cpm :  ithink you use yaa respondeur and you was give me a help but i am not shure
[14:15:28] <cpm> I do use yaa.pl, yes
[14:16:24] <cedric3> cpm : i use yaa it work i don't know what i do know it beak i begin crazy when i send a mail to user who activated respondeur i have this error yaa Autoresponse will not be sent to empty or undefined sender address.
[14:17:14] <cpm> cedric3, pastebin a log example please
[14:17:28] <dusty> sysmonk, Got it all working, thanks for the help =]
[14:17:36] <cedric3> i don't know why it can find the email on the database mysql i have  on postfix_virtual table user at test dot com  user at autoreply dot test.com
[14:17:45] <cedric3> cpm : ok i do that now
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[14:22:58] <Ramattack> *ramattack goes
[14:23:11] <Ramattack> bye!
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[14:25:02] <cedric3> cpm : i try to pastebin it tell me it's a spam :( i try other web site
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[14:26:17] <cedric3> cpm, : http://pastebin.espace-win.org/4820
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[14:26:21] <cedric3> very thanks
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[14:26:25] * cpm looks
[14:27:20] <nothingmuch> I upgraded yesterday, and now i can't send mail because my ISP's  mail server is rejecting the ORCPT parameter to the RCPT command
[14:27:32] <nothingmuch> i can't figure out how to disable that in the docs
[14:27:35] <cpm> cedric3, okay, what does *not* work, is the autoreply not working?
[14:28:49] <cedric3> cpm : yes  i use hat at testing dot fr  	hat at testing dot fr, hat at autoreply dot testing.fr  	list on my database only  hat at testing dot Fr work the autoreply not work
[14:29:33] <cedric3> when i see on the log database i don't see the requeste on the database autorespondeur i think i am not shure
[14:32:21] <cpm> so, when user151 at testing dot fr sends a mail to hat, user151 never gets an autoreply ?
[14:32:40] <cedric3> yes never
[14:32:45] <cpm> k
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[14:33:48] <cpm> pull the original from the inbox of hat@testing, what is the return-to path in the header?
[14:34:00] <Ciaran_H> Hi :)
[14:34:29] <cpm> or reply-to rather (sorry)
[14:34:46] <cpm> and the return-path
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[14:36:03] <cedric3> cpm : user151 at testing dot fr <user151 at testing dot fr>
[14:36:15] <cpm> return-path?
[14:36:18] <PcPixel> I've been seeing these kinds of errors mailed to me a bit lately. http://pastebin.com/d2286a79b . Is this something I shoul dbe concerned about?
[14:36:29] <cedric3> sorry
[14:36:45] <Ciaran_H> Quick question regarding the reject_code configuration setting. Right now, it's at the default, 554. I can't find any information about why it's 554 in particular, given that it's just a generic 'failed' message. So I'm probably missing something, but why not use 550 instead? Are there any considerations I haven't thought of with this? I
[14:36:52] <Ciaran_H> s/ I$//
[14:36:53] <cedric3> cpm : i don't understand
[14:36:54] <cpm> looks pretty nasty to me
[14:37:30] <cpm> cedric3, is that the return-path, or reply-to ?
[14:37:38] <cedric3> the reply to
[14:37:41] <cpm> k
[14:37:49] <cpm> and what is the return-path?
[14:39:47] <cedric3> i search  what is return path sorry   i think it 's hat at testing dot fr
[14:40:03] <shasta> Ciaran_H, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1893.txt
[14:40:21] <shasta> see section 3.6, Mail Delivery Protocol Status
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[14:40:38] <shasta> (whole rfc is worth reading, though)
[14:41:10] <shasta> (obsoleted by rfc3463, btw)
[14:41:15] <cedric3> a mail on hat@...  is  from user151 at testing dot fr <user151 at testing dot fr> to  hat at testing dot fr
[14:41:56] <cpm> cedric3, the return-path header is often the first header, not always, but often
[14:42:03] <cpm> depending
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[14:44:24] <cedric3> cpm : Return-Path: <user150 at testing dot fr>
[14:45:00] <cpm> cedric3, interesting
[14:45:54] <cedric3> cpm : i think i make a bad manipulation because it was working i search and the with the documentation  http://www.howtoforge.com/autoresponders_for_virtual_postfix_users
[14:46:39] <cpm> cedric3, check the db file 'strings yaa_timeframe.db | grep user151'
[14:48:37] <cedric3> cpm : sorry  it's a file or on the database
[14:48:50] <cedric3> yaa_timeframe.db is a file
[14:50:16] <cpm> so,
[14:50:19] <cedric3> if you can explain me
[14:50:28] <cpm> strings yaa_timeframe.db | grep user151
[14:50:37] <cpm> any output?
[14:51:47] <cedric3> sorry i have not this file yaa_timeframe.db if yo ucan tell me where is stored
[14:52:26] <cedric3> i use mysql to store all
[14:52:54] <cedric3> postfix_users postfix_virtual is on mysql database
[14:53:09] <cedric3> you want to see the entry
[14:53:31] <PcPixel> Is this an error I should be conserend with? I've seen this a few times: http://pastebin.com/d2286a79b
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[14:54:15] <cedric3> cpm : i can pastebin the dabatase entry config yaa
[14:54:30] <Ciaran_H> shasta: Ah, thanks.
[14:55:02] <cpm> cedric3, it's probably in /tmp
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[14:55:46] <cedric3> cpm : yes i found it i try now
[14:56:53] <cedric3> cpm : nothink i have not user151
[14:57:18] <cpm> okay, just look at the raw output of strings then, is there anything at all?
[14:57:23] <cpm> strings yaa_timeframe.db | more
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[14:58:01] <cedric3> cpm : i have old email who there are working  but only five address mail
[14:58:41] <cpm> cedric3, so it works with some addresses, but not others?
[14:59:05] <cedric3> i try now with one on this adresse and tell you if it work just one minute please thanks
[15:00:02] <cedric3> hat at ipnotictesting dot fr|user61@ipnotic-testing.fr  1215427790 hak at ipnotic-testing dot fr|user53@ipnotic-testing.fr
[15:00:10] <cedric3> sorry
[15:00:43] <cedric3> hat at testing dot fr|user61@testing.fr  1215427790 hat at testing dot fr|user53@testing.fr
[15:01:08] <cedric3> hat at testing dot fr is activated i try now it not work
[15:01:27] <cedric3> i try send from user151 to hat at testing dot fr autoreply not work
[15:03:27] <cedric3> cpm : have you any idea ?
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[15:06:26] <cpm> nope.
[15:06:40] <cedric3> cpm : why on the db i have not all mail adress
[15:06:56] <cedric3> can i delete this file and ti automatiquely generated?
[15:07:13] <cpm> cedric3, yes.
[15:07:21] <cpm> it is a tmp file
[15:07:30] <cpm> all the data will be lost though
[15:07:33] <cpm> but that's okay
[15:07:37] <cedric3> i try now
[15:08:58] <cedric3> i delete and restart postfix i try to send a mail  the autoreply is break
[15:09:05] <cedric3> and the file is not generated
[15:11:06] <cedric3> if i want to delete all and re install yaa i try but the same problem
[15:11:15] <cedric3> i don't know if it's database problem
[15:11:18] <cedric3> or other
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[15:13:46] <cedric3> cpm : thanks for your help very thanks
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[15:19:11] <cpm> http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html
[15:19:26] <cpm> ooops, ignore that
[15:19:51] <sysmonk> groupware porn?
[15:19:52] <sysmonk> ;)
[15:19:54] <PcPixel> so my error doesnt mean anything bad is happening?
[15:20:27] <cpm> sysmonk, pretty much
[15:21:28] <PcPixel> http://pastebin.com/d2286a79b
[15:21:57] <PcPixel> ive been seeing the"queue file write error" a bit
[15:22:04] <PcPixel> enough to just peak my interest
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[15:50:48] <PcPixel> ok guess not.
[15:51:07] <cpm> PcPixel, if that was my server, I'd be concerned
[15:51:11] <js_> i get unroutable address when sending to a local recipient. what can cause this?
[15:51:28] <PcPixel> cpm: ok then :) what should i be looking for?
[15:51:56] <PcPixel> im seeing them sparatically
[15:52:05] <PcPixel> ive seen 3 in the past two days i think
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[15:52:56] <PcPixel> or rather, what is it that causes that error?
[15:53:10] <cpm> PcPixel, well,
[15:53:18] <cpm> I think what I'd do, is plug this into google
[15:53:21] <cpm> 451 4.3.0 Error: queue file write error
[15:53:32] <cpm> Then I'd go to the first hit, and read what it had to say,
[15:53:34] <cpm> and so on.
[15:54:39] <sysmonk> i'd try to spam around cpm on irc for an answer for a few hours
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[15:54:59] <cpm> sysmonk, you could do that.
[15:55:03] <cpm> but it just annoys the pig
[15:55:06] <cpm> as it were
[15:55:10] <jduggan> heh
[15:56:16] <PcPixel> ok.
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[15:58:45] <js_> anyone here who can help me with my problem?
[15:59:13] <PcPixel> its debatable.
[15:59:29] <sysmonk> depends on the price js_
[16:00:09] <js_> i'm a great supplier of virtual ice cream
[16:00:36] <PcPixel> weird. the maillog doesn't have a record of that error occuring.
[16:00:59] <sysmonk> js_: sure, i can support you... in my mind...
[16:01:31] <sysmonk> now the price meets the service :P
[16:01:36] <PcPixel> nope. the maillog says the message was delivered.
[16:03:09] <PcPixel> wait, i think i see it.. spomething about "read timeout on cleanup socket"
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[16:09:38] <PcPixel> *shrug* ill just wait for the next one.
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[16:14:31] <PcPixel> my systems been performing admirably thus far
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[16:14:56] <PcPixel> now i just have to figure out which antispam i want to try to integrate as i couldnt get either mechanism working
[16:15:10] <f3ew> !cheatsheet
[16:15:11] <knoba> f3ew: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[16:24:28] <cpm> morning f3ew
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[16:34:36] <PcPixel> i think i sparked this debate before, but amavisd-new or mailscanner
[16:34:46] <mwalling> amavisd-new
[16:35:01] <mwalling> there is a post to the mailing list by westie where he bashes mailscanner
[16:35:12] <PcPixel> wow really?
[16:35:23] <mwalling> yes.
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[16:37:20] <PcPixel> link? id really like to read that
[16:40:25] <mwalling> http://google.com/
[16:40:40] <PcPixel> dunno why i bothered.
[16:42:00] <PcPixel> and of course, cant find it.
[16:43:41] <cpm> that's because it's wietse, not westie first hit on 'postfix mailscanner wietse'
[16:43:47] <cpm> your google fu is not strong.
[16:44:52] <PcPixel> ah, the big capitals
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[16:47:09] <PcPixel> hmmm
[16:47:12] <PcPixel> ok amavisd-new it is
[16:47:33] <PcPixel> im not one to argue w him :)
[16:51:31] <PcPixel> matter of preference where to stick reject_unauth_pipelining? one guide said client_Rstrictions, the cheat sheet says data_restrictions
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[16:56:52] <mwalling> cpm: speeling was never a strong point
[16:57:01] * PcPixel chuckles
[16:57:32] <dirkson> Hey all! I can send mail to everywhere... except hotmail. dig mx hotmail.com returns sane results, my /etc/resolve.conf is set up correctly... And yet I still get "Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=hotmail.com type=MX: Host not found, try again" whenever I try to send anything to hotmail. What else can I check here?
[16:58:16] <ndonegan> dirkson: what is you server saying EHLO as, and does it match the rdns of the ip?
[16:59:52] <dirkson> ndonegan: Woah! I've obviously misrepresented myself as way more knowledgeable than I am. What does all that mean?
[16:59:59] <mwalling> ndonegan: ... he's not even talking to hotmail yet,
[17:01:46] <seekwill> dirkson: What results did you get from the dig?
[17:01:56] <seekwill> Like, an NXDOMAIN?
[17:02:44] <dirkson> seekwill: http://pastebin.com/m1bf84f37 - dig mx hotmail.com
[17:03:24] <seekwill> Umm.. hmm.. I don't have a webbrowser...
[17:03:44] <dirkson>  #flood ? : )
[17:03:59] <mwalling> he got the 4 mx?.hotmail.com back
[17:04:05] <mwalling> but not the related A records
[17:05:01] <seekwill> Maybe he's being hacked by the bind bug???
[17:05:13] <mwalling> his NS is OpenDNS
[17:05:17] <seekwill> heh
[17:05:48] <dirkson> Something wrong with OpenDNS? I was having troubles with my hosting company's dns servers, so I switched.
[17:05:54] <mwalling> dirkson: try a resolver with out a political agenda, see if that helps. if it does, blame opendns. if it doesnt, well, we figure out something else
[17:06:33] <dirkson> mwalling: Well, what others are there for general use?
[17:06:51] <mwalling> whos your provider?
[17:07:17] <mwalling> (or run your own)
[17:07:39] <dirkson> mwalling: Er... FDC? I'm not sure who they get their bandwidth from, or if they host their own dns servers or use someone else's.
[17:07:57] <dirkson> mwalling: That's an interesting idea! I've not done that before
[17:08:10] <mwalling> bind is fun!
[17:08:23] <seekwill> 4.2.2.1?
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[17:08:56] <dirkson> seekwill: What?
[17:09:09] <dirkson> mwalling: Also: Political agenda? What?
[17:09:45] <seekwill> A DNS server. I forgot who's it is... Level3's?
[17:09:53] <mwalling> 1.2.2.4.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer vnsc-pri.sys.gtei.net.
[17:11:14] <cpm> running an mx host, and not being in control, in a clueful way about your own dns, is a recipe for fail
[17:11:45] <seekwill> your
[17:12:03] <dirkson> cpm: Probably. We're not to the point where the thing's accepting incoming mail, just sending out mail, so I figure I've got time enough to learn.
[17:12:34] * cpm has been doing this for well over a decade, and hasn't learned yet.
[17:12:39] <cpm> so, good luck with that!
[17:12:39] <cpm> :)
[17:13:10] <dirkson> cpm:  Hah!
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[17:14:25] <seekwill> dirkson: You doing mailing lists/newsletter stuff?
[17:14:42] <dirkson> seekwill: Nae. Why?
[17:14:50] <seekwill> Just wondering
[17:15:07] <seekwill> Why you were outbound only
[17:15:18] * cpm sends seekwill outbound
[17:15:58] <dirkson> seekwill: Currently it's just being used for our CMS systems to send mail from. Eventually, this thing will develop into a full-blown shared host.
[17:16:38] <dirkson> mwalling: Well, trying 4.2.2.1 just for curiosity's seek, my dig results haven't changed.
[17:16:49] <dirkson> *sake
[17:17:01] * seekwill hugs cache
[17:17:17] <dirkson> Hmm?
[17:17:22] <mwalling> dirkson: dig @4.2.2.1 hotmail.com MX
[17:17:44] <dirkson> mwalling: Yup, same results
[17:17:49] <cpm> this is you? vnsc-pri.sys.gtei.net
[17:18:09] <mwalling> cpm: 4.2.2.1 is a known open resolver
[17:18:21] <cpm> didn't know, pretty cool
[17:18:32] <mwalling> i dont trust that either
[17:18:42] <mwalling> you never know when a PHB is going to shut it down
[17:18:58] <cpm> pretty fast too
[17:19:07] <dirkson> Aye. I just figured it's quicker than setting up bind. I'm going to set up bind sometime next week, most likely
[17:19:34] <cpm> I've got access to a lot of resolvers, so I don't worry too much. a few of them are very oldschool (like shell at the well)
[17:20:16] <seekwill> dirkson: Well, even if you set up bind, you still need an upstream
[17:20:28] <mwalling> road runner started returning wild card results pointing to their search page... after that i set my wrt to point to my server for queries
[17:20:36] <mwalling> seekwill: the root servers?
[17:20:50] <PcPixel> yeah, my DSL is doing that now
[17:20:57] <PcPixel> i really dont get how that is "helpful".
[17:21:47] <mwalling> PcPixel: it is to their bottem line
[17:22:06] <PcPixel> ok, to US
[17:22:07] <PcPixel> ;)
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[17:23:51] <dirkson> So now this problem is highly interesting to me. Why aren't I getting the appropriate dig response?
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[17:25:04] <cpm> dig +trace and see
[17:26:02] <dirkson> How?
[17:26:20] <mwalling> cpm just said
[17:26:26] <mwalling> +trace is an option for dig
[17:27:06] <dirkson> http://pastebin.com/m1fb1622f
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[17:34:33] <gpled> anyone using ubuntu server with postfix in production environment?
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[17:40:51] <cpm> morning rob0
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[17:49:08] <rob0> howdy
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[17:56:23] <gpled> what distro are you using for your postfix?
[17:56:43] <sysmonk> PostOS
[17:56:46] * cpm has ancient fedora, newer fedora, some centos, others
[17:56:48] <mwalling> slackware
[17:56:52] * sysmonk freebsd
[17:57:04] <sysmonk> ah, damn, freebsd isn't even a distro :(
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[17:59:13] <seekwill> I run my postfix on Vista
[18:00:35] <sysmonk> seekwill: poor thing ;(
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[18:11:49] <gpled> should make a postos :)
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[18:30:32] <cpm> well, that kinda shut the channel down
[18:30:34] <cpm> :)
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[18:32:03] <adaptr> gpled: if I do, it will be because I know how to set it up quickly; I would disable any and all update fucktionality
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[18:32:40] <adaptr> if that is your criterium, step. away. from. the. computer. now. Sir
[18:33:09] <cpm> put down that keyboard!
[18:33:24] <adaptr> Ubuntu updates: fun for the desktop luser, fucking death on wheels for any serious use
[18:34:02] <Dewi> adaptr: why?
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[18:34:50] <Dewi> adaptr: aren't they just fixes?
[18:35:11] <Dewi> (as opposed to newer versions with functionality that breaks stuff)
[18:35:55] <cpm> you get yer ubuntu (without tracking any on the carpet) install everything, configure it, run happy happy, update breaks everything, start over.
[18:37:00] <sysmonk> :))
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[18:40:13] <Dewi> cpm: hmm... because they stuff silly things like new functionality in there, or just because they suck at fixes?
[18:40:38] * Dewi has never run it for an extended period
[18:43:06] <rob0> Oh, I'd say that OS updates are one of the most common things to bring people in here, screaming. Screaming at the wrong people, I might add.
[18:43:30] <sysmonk> and solution is...
[18:43:33] <sysmonk> make PostOS
[18:43:39] <sysmonk> and then they'll be screaming at the right people...
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[18:45:08] <rob0> Post Toaster
[18:45:13] <cpm> yeah sysmonk why haven't you finished that yet?
[18:46:03] <sysmonk> finished what?
[18:46:09] <cpm> postos
[18:46:24] <sysmonk> didn't i?
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[18:46:38] <cpm> it's finished? excellent.
[18:46:41] <sysmonk> yeah
[18:46:46] <cpm> okay, everyone can scream at sysmonk now
[18:46:48] <sysmonk> official release was about 50 minutes ago
[18:46:57] <Dewi> rob0: oh. Well the package maintainers do seem to like changing the default config file. Which can reset you to defaults if you let it
[18:47:09] <Dewi> rob0: even if the actual binaries are both working okay
[18:47:20] <seekwill> Dewi: Which pkgmaintainer does that?
[18:47:21] <Dewi> I imagine that's probably a lot of it
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[18:48:26] <Dewi> seekwill: oh, not on the automatic/critical kind of updates
[18:48:54] <seekwill> On any kind of package upgrade.... should go changing config files...
[18:49:06] <Dewi> seekwill: just for new releases...
[18:49:30] <seekwill> Which package or distro does this?
[18:49:33] <rob0> Postfix manages to upgrade its own configuration quite well.
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[18:49:39] <Dewi> seekwill: well, RPM barely even lets you know it's doing it
[18:49:45] <Dewi> seekwill: dpkg based systems ask you
[18:49:45] <sysmonk> ubuntu should change their logo to 'Ubuntu. What will it break today?'
[18:49:54] <seekwill> RPM doesn't. It creates an .rpmnew file
[18:50:03] <Dewi> seekwill: which is great, if you know it's done that
[18:50:09] <seekwill> It tells you
[18:50:10] <rob0> We see RPM / yum users in here, as well as apt-getters.
[18:50:11] <Dewi> but it's scrolled away with millions of lines of crap
[18:50:17] <Dewi> that it echoes at the same time
[18:50:19] <seekwill> ...
[18:50:39] <seekwill> You don't keep a log?
[18:50:40] <Dewi> dpkg doesn't touch your customised configs without asking
[18:50:47] <cpm> long long time ago. I landed on the concept of getting the machine built, getting it stable, getting it working, then locking it down, and paying attention to any 'new' releases or security updates, and applying those manually, after testing. but under no circumstance would I allow an unattended update of a production server. Been burned by that exactly once.
[18:51:14] <Dewi> seekwill: you read the tens of thousands of lines of crap those commands can output?
[18:51:24] <seekwill> It's not very hard
[18:51:25] <Dewi> seekwill: do you read all of 'make' invocations?
[18:51:33] * Dewi always uses make -s but it's still bloody noisy
[18:51:52] <seekwill> make? (why actually yes....) How is that involved in a package install?
[18:51:58] <Dewi> it's one of the things I don't understand about software distributions... they do a great job of hiding warnings and errors in the surrounding noise
[18:52:31] <Dewi> seekwill: well yum/RPM generates up to about 4 screens of noise before it even unpacks a single package file
[18:52:37] <Dewi> and plenty after that
[18:52:53] <sysmonk> cpm: and that's a right way
[18:53:07] <sysmonk> cpm: i never been burned by that, and i won't, as i don't do unatetnded update of anything
[18:53:16] <gpled> would be fun to build a postos.  installer is tricky, for me
[18:53:31] <Dewi> cpm: that's a good system
[18:53:35] <gpled> should call it prefixos
[18:54:09] <cpm> sysmonk, yeah, it was my first fedora box, and I was totally unaware of 'yum' and had no clue about the yum update cron job. Gee, was I surprised. :)
[18:54:25] <Dewi> cpm: although testing is kind of annoying with mail systems
[18:54:50] <Dewi> cpm: hard to get your test box truly representative
[18:55:14] <Dewi> "okay spammers, stop hitting my main box, hit this one now, I'm testing something"
[18:56:00] <sysmonk> cpm: whoa, you want to say that it's in cronta by default?!
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[19:04:31] <cpm> sysmonk, actually, it was a service
[19:04:45] <cpm> ran daily, figured it out after a couple of weeks :)
[19:04:56] <sysmonk> och :)
[19:05:01] <dusty> Hey guys I have the following setup: Postfix -> Dovecot -> Amavis -> Mysql -> Postfixadmin.  I want to setup Mailbox quotas for users via Dovecot/Postfixadmin, how would I do that ?
[19:05:05] <cpm> no one to blame but myself on that.
[19:05:11] <dusty> sysmonk, by the way i got the migration over :)
[19:05:16] <sysmonk> dusty: yes, i saw.
[19:05:42] <dusty> :)
[19:05:45] <dusty> thanks
[19:06:00] <linkslice> with check_client_access can you specify a network?  such as 0.0.0.0/24  REJECT  (obviously with a real ip though)
[19:06:23] <sysmonk> np, i didn't help almost, so nothing to thank for :)
[19:06:39] <sysmonk> linkslice: yes, but you will need to use cidr table
[19:06:42] <sysmonk> !cidr_table
[19:06:43] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "cidr_table" is not a valid command.
[19:06:44] <sysmonk> !cidr
[19:06:44] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "cidr" is not a valid command.
[19:07:41] <gpled> http://www.postfix.org/cidr_table.5.html
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[19:08:57] <linkslice> cidr_table?  is that new?
[19:08:59] <sysmonk> !learn cidr as cidr_table(5) - format of Postfix CIDR table. Lookup table in Classless Inter-Domain Routing form. In this case, each input is compared against a list of patterns. When a match is found, the corresponding result is returned and the search is terminated.
[19:09:03] <sysmonk> !cidr
[19:09:04] <knoba> sysmonk: "cidr" : cidr_table(5) - format of Postfix CIDR table. Lookup table in Classless Inter-Domain Routing form. In this case, each input is compared against a list of patterns. When a match is found, the corresponding result is returned and the search is terminated.
[19:09:06] <sysmonk> linkslice: old as hell :)
[19:09:29] <linkslice> huh
[19:09:30] <gpled> linkslice: iv been using cidr for awhile. i like them
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[19:10:14] <gpled> 172.16.0.0/16    451 # please call
[19:10:47] <sysmonk> 0.0.0.0/0 OK
[19:10:47] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:12:40] <mwalling> dusty: use deliver and a policyd?
[19:16:57] <xpoint> please call , hmm
[19:17:19] <xpoint> gpled, wroung cidr btw
[19:17:35] <sysmonk> xpoint: ...
[19:18:03] <xpoint> its more 172.16.0.0/12
[19:18:39] <sysmonk> xpoint: and how do you know he needs /12 and not /16 or /17 or whatever?
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[19:19:03] <xpoint> or even /32
[19:19:19] <sysmonk> /32 on a .0 ?
[19:19:35] <cpm> heh
[19:22:20] <xpoint> sysmonk, one remember rfc1918 if used correct, when used another way faults may happend
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[19:24:59] <sysmonk> xpoint: what's your native language?
[19:25:04] <jonkri> i have a urgent problem... one of my domain names fail to receieve some important e-mails
[19:25:22] <jonkri> i really need to fix this problem today to pay a domain bill, otherwise my domain will be lost forever :)
[19:25:26] <sysmonk> urgent problems - 100$ / minute
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[19:25:33] <seekwill> sysmonk: Cheap!
[19:25:40] <cpm> indeed.
[19:25:45] <cpm> what say the logs?
[19:25:48] <sysmonk> seekwill: that's because we're opensource, remember?
[19:25:55] <seekwill> I charge at least $100.99/minute
[19:26:00] <jonkri> jon.kristensen at dedikerad.se doesn't work, jon.kristensen at dedikerad.org does, but i see no difference in the postfix config and some mails actually get there
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[19:26:04] <seekwill> sysmonk: So?
[19:26:06] <jonkri> the logs doesn't say anything
[19:26:21] <seekwill> That's a bad sign
[19:26:27] <xpoint> sysmonk, comal
[19:26:27] <cpm> quite
[19:26:41] <sysmonk> jonkri: mail.dedikerad.se not there
[19:27:09] <sysmonk> mx entry points to nonexistent domain
[19:27:31] <jonkri> oh
[19:27:43] <jonkri> i don't get why some mail actually reach me then
[19:27:46] <jonkri> can i just remove the mx record?
[19:27:53] <soren> If you don't want mail, sure.
[19:28:09] <jonkri> hehe, ok, so i'll add a mail.dedikerad.se a record
[19:28:12] <jonkri> right?
[19:28:20] <soren> A better plan would be to make mail.dedikerad.se point to the same IP as dedikerad.se
[19:28:23] <soren> Right.
[19:28:40] <soren> That way, you won't have to wait for the MX DNS record to expire before it works.
[19:28:57] <jonkri> ok, how long do you think i should wait before i ask the registar to send me a new e-mail? is my faulty dns configuration cached you think?
[19:29:26] <seekwill> 48 hours!
[19:29:45] <jonkri> seekwill: that's a zone update, no? i just changed a record
[19:30:00] <seekwill> Oh... maybe. Sorry, I was just excited
[19:30:41] <jonkri> i realize that it's impossible to say, i was just wondering if maybe waiting five minutes, or one hour, would make a significant difference or something
[19:30:43] <jonkri> thanks for your help all
[19:32:34] <soren> I don't think NXDOMAIN responses are usually cached for very long (if at all). I'm not sure at all though. It's just a hunch.
[19:32:54] <seekwill> I think it should be cached for some period
[19:33:02] <sysmonk> they are
[19:33:07] <seekwill> Otherwise you'd dos your dns server
[19:33:31] <soren> seekwill: Hardly..
[19:34:08] <soren> seekwill: It's not like it's much more difficult asking for ten zillion different domain names than asking for the same domain name ten zillion times.
[19:34:08] <sysmonk> rfc 2308
[19:34:48] <rob0> NXDOMAIN caching is locally configurable, I think the default is like 3 minutes.
[19:34:52] <seekwill> Depends on what the software is configured to do
[19:34:53] <soren> So caching those is not going to save you from anything but the most feeble DoS attempts.
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[19:35:30] <rob0> But, if you're using an ISP's nameserver, you have no control and no idea how it was configured.
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[19:37:02] <soren> sysmonk: Interesting. Thanks for the pointer.
[19:38:05] <jeev> wow
[19:38:08] <jeev> i know a soren
[19:38:11] <jeev> he's on icq right now!
[19:38:15] <soren> I *am* a Soren.
[19:38:19] <soren> How crazy is that!
[19:38:20] <jeev> !
[19:38:21] <jeev> haha
[19:38:25] * jeev kills soren
[19:38:33] <soren> jeev: *I*'m on ICQ! OMG! Kittens!
[19:38:37] <jeev> haha
[19:38:38] <jeev> bastard
[19:38:42] <jeev> he's from denmark!
[19:38:49] <soren> Most Soren's are.
[19:38:51] <soren> :)
[19:38:56] <jeev> haha
[19:38:57] <jeev> i know
[19:39:00] <jeev> and he's a man!
[19:39:04] <sysmonk> soren: looks like you're talking to yourself :P
[19:39:13] <soren> sysmonk: I might be.
[19:39:15] <soren> :)
[19:39:18] <sysmonk> ah, jeev is on my ignore list
[19:39:24] <soren> Haha!
[19:39:26] <sysmonk> one of the lucky 3 guys ;)
[19:39:38] <cpm> gaaa,
[19:39:44] * cpm kicks clamav
[19:39:49] <jeev> you could ignore sysmonk
[19:40:02] <jeev> i'm on his ignore list because his monitor is 13" and i think that's funny
[19:40:07] <soren> jeev: Is the soren you know really cool?
[19:40:13] <jeev> yea man
[19:40:16] <soren> Oh.
[19:40:16] <jeev> he has porn sites.
[19:40:18] <soren> Then it's not me.
[19:40:19] <sysmonk> w/win 28
[19:40:21] <sysmonk> woops
[19:40:24] <jeev> you're not really cool ?
[19:40:27] <soren> l/lose 47
[19:40:30] <soren> jeev: Not really.
[19:40:39] <jeev> how so
[19:40:48] <soren> I'm just.. you know.. not.
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[19:41:27] <jeev> damn
[19:41:29] <jeev> that suicks man
[19:41:44] <soren> Tell me about it. :/
[19:42:01] <jeev> why are you not cool ?
[19:42:01] <soren> Well, I might not be cool, but I am hungry.
[19:42:03] * soren -> dinner
[19:42:11] <jeev> im always hungry
[19:42:16] <soren> jeev: I'm just playing the hand I was dealt.
[19:42:29] * soren -> dinner, really
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[19:43:20] <jonkri> soren, seekwill, sysmonk: thanks for the info, i tried it now maybe five minutes later but i didn't get an e-mail... maybe i should try again 9pm or something
[19:43:38] <seekwill> jonkri: What was the domain name again?
[19:44:04] <jonkri> dedikerad.se
[19:44:06] <sysmonk> soren: /win 28 as in /window 28 in irssi :)
[19:44:53] <cpm> gaaah!
[19:44:56] <sysmonk> jonkri: the ttl is 10800
[19:44:59] <cpm> damaged corrupt!
[19:45:05] <cpm> how in the heck?
[19:45:11] <sysmonk> that's 3 hours
[19:45:25] <soren> sysmonk: I know (/me is an irssi man, too (with 306 windows, even)), I was just pulling your leg.
[19:45:27] <jonkri> lol ok
[19:45:41] <sysmonk> soren: excuse me, how much windows?!
[19:46:03] * soren checks..
[19:46:10] <soren> Yup, 306.
[19:46:11] <jonkri> maybe 11pm then :)
[19:46:16] <sysmonk> soren: /window list
[19:46:34] <soren> 'tis long.
[19:46:40] <sysmonk> o_o
[19:46:44] <sysmonk> soren: wanna make a screenshot?
[19:47:48] <soren> http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/irssi.png
[19:47:53] <soren> Oh, with the /win list on it?
[19:47:58] <sysmonk> ye
[19:48:14] <cpm> oh ick
[19:48:16] <cpm> sheesh
[19:48:18] <cpm> http://wiki.clamav.net/Main/UpgradeNotes093
[19:48:18] <seekwill> I like mIRC
[19:48:30] <jduggan> what the beejeesus
[19:48:34] <rob0> HAHA
[19:48:35] <jduggan> 300+ windows???
[19:48:49] <rob0> go to DINNER dude :)
[19:49:13] <rob0> stay there, maybe a week or 2 :)
[19:49:18] <sysmonk> :))
[19:49:28] <soren> sysmonk: reload
[19:49:29] <sysmonk> soren: reeally, you're insane :P
[19:49:33] <shasta> well
[19:49:44] <shasta> 300 windows is still far from windows 2000
[19:49:44] <soren> sysmonk: I don't believe I've tried to suggest otherwise. :)
[19:49:50] <shasta> </badjoke>
[19:49:57] <jeev> soren
[19:50:01] <jeev> he said
[19:50:10] <jeev> "the soren you're talking to online must be a clever guy"
[19:50:25] <soren> jeev: How come?
[19:50:39] <sysmonk> soren: how do you manage them ?
[19:50:53] <sysmonk> it's get hard to manage when you have 20+ windows, and 300+ ... ? ??
[19:51:21] <soren> sysmonk: I like Alt-A a lot. Also, it's faster to type /win 228 to go to this channel than /join -freenode #postfix.
[19:51:37] <soren> Anyhow, I think I've stolen the channel's attention enough for now.
[19:51:40] <jeev> i dunno
[19:51:43] <jeev> he said you must be clever
[19:51:45] <jeev> for being named soren
[19:51:48] <soren> Ah.
[19:51:52] <soren> I blame my parents.
[19:52:01] * soren *really* -> dinner
[19:52:05] <sysmonk> soren: heh, good that you remember what's on 228 ;P
[19:53:18] <sysmonk> soren: btw, when you'll get back, it'd be nice to see your ps -xuaw | grep irssi
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[19:53:38] <sysmonk> or just the info on how much ram is irssi using :)
[19:54:08] <sysmonk> my 20-30 windows use ~35 megs
[19:54:24] <sysmonk> and 300+ ... with a backlog ... hmmm :)
[19:57:40] <gpled> any gentoo people here?  how do you like that distro?
[19:58:49] <seekwill> RHEL!
[19:58:52] <devdas> lIt works if you are a competent sysadmin
[19:59:26] <rob0> so does any OS :)
[20:00:23] <devdas> !windows
[20:00:23] <knoba> devdas: Error: "windows" is not a valid command.
[20:02:57] <rob0> Perhaps the biggest problem with Windows is that there are no true experts. Just varying degrees of fakers. Even if you're really good, there are things which are undocumented and unavailable to you.
[20:04:01] <cpm> dunno, I've known a few really talented win admin types.
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[20:07:08] <qdot> I like gentoo, I think it's cool
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[20:16:18] <gpled> what was the mbr format?   format /mbr ?
[20:16:51] <devdas> For DOS? yes
[20:16:55] <rob0> format /wtf /rtfm
[20:17:17] <rob0> no that's a switch for fdisk.exe not format IIRC
[20:17:31] <gpled> fdisk /mbr ?
[20:17:32] <rob0> format /?
[20:17:41] <cpm> heh
[20:17:43] <rob0> what are we doing in DOS?
[20:17:53] <sysmonk> DDoSing
[20:17:57] <gpled> lol
[20:17:59] <rob0> And why are we DoS'ing #postfix with DOS?
[20:18:15] <cpm> just answer the danged question!
[20:18:16] <cpm> :)
[20:18:30] <gpled> remember the days when m$ would say, windows does not have dos
[20:18:52] <cpm> and yes, it's fdisk /mbr, not format
[20:19:08] <cpm> the mbr switch overwrite the master boot record
[20:19:14] <gpled> errr, i can seem to get postfix to install on my dos box :)
[20:19:25] <cpm> rats
[20:19:27] <cpm> I hate that
[20:19:37] <cpm> you get postfix.exe?
[20:19:38] <rob0> NT and heirs are not booting DOS. The DOS they have is an emulator.
[20:19:43] <gpled> lol
[20:19:54] <gpled> that does it, im switching to cpm :)
[20:20:21] <cpm> or postfix.com (remember those?)
[20:20:26] <gpled> wasnt that the other early dos ?
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[20:21:03] <gpled> .com where cool. nice and small
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[20:29:52] <cpm> yup
[20:30:09] <cpm> .com tsr
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[20:38:49] <_codepoet_> Is it possible to use multiple virtual_alias_maps ?
[20:39:37] <_codepoet_> I want to do something like  virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/sql/virtual_alias_maps.cf,  hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[20:40:27] <_codepoet_> essentially I want the normal aliases like root goes to me, postmaster to someone else etc. -- but then I want to define a dynamic list of aliases based on data in my database.
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[20:54:13] <dusty> _codepoet_, yes seperate with comma.
[20:54:25] <dusty> although double check with postfix documentation but i belive that is possible.
[20:54:37] <_codepoet_> I was reading that postix will only look at the last virtual_alias_map defined though
[20:54:41] <rob0> virtual_alias_maps <== note, the plural. But it's not recommended.
[20:54:48] <_codepoet_> from some articles on neohapsis etc.
[20:55:31] <devdas> _codepoet_: v_a_m = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, pgsql:/etc/postfix/pg-virtual.cf, ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-virtual.cf
[20:55:51] <rob0> "Normal aliases like root" should be in alias_maps.
[20:56:16] <_codepoet_> True
[21:02:35] <sysmonk> hm, a ddos on one of my mail servers?
[21:05:05] <rob0> Multi-Site DoS (MSDOS)
[21:07:08] <sysmonk> no, real ddos
[21:07:24] <sysmonk> 500+ connects from one ip in a few seconds ( and lots of ip's )
[21:07:36] <sysmonk> load 104
[21:10:00] * sysmonk puts anvil in action
[21:11:25] <sysmonk> tail -10000 /var/log/maillog | grep "Connection rate limit exceeded" | wc -l 998
[21:11:28] <sysmonk> that's in a few seconds
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[21:17:42] <lrp> hello everyone
[21:17:59] <lrp> is there a rule in postfix to use spamlist server to avoid spam ?
[21:18:55] <hparker> spamlist server?
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[21:40:50] <cpm> hparkerlist server?
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[21:42:29] <lrp> what is the line in main.cf that i have to add ?
[21:42:42] <lrp> zen.spamhaus.org ?
[21:42:56] <supa_user> is there any way to get an alias to modify the To: field ?
[21:43:25] <supa_user> I'm forwarding email via aliases to a remote server that won't accept it when the To: field isn't the one on their system
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[21:44:21] <seekwill> To header, or RCPT TO envelope?
[21:46:17] <supa_user> tore_: header.  rcpt to is correct because of the alias.
[21:46:25] <supa_user> oops, To: header.
[21:48:29] <supa_user> I could use formail to add it, but then I'd have to pipe the mail through a filter first it seems
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[21:50:09] <robtone_> sigh: http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/bind-security.php
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[21:50:43] <robtone_> (note, this does not only affect bind resolvers)
[21:50:57] <supa_user> robtone_: you're 24 hours behind :)
[21:51:14] <robtone_> supa_user, blame it to heise.de
[21:51:23] <robtone_> (and to my lack of newsreading)
[21:51:30] <supa_user> OT but I upgraded mine only to find 3x the cpu usage even on the beta bind.
[21:52:23] * robtone_ hasn't updated yet. too much harddrive failures in ancient desktops
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[21:57:34] <rob0> I think there are gazillions of DNS attack bots going.
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[21:58:10] <robtone_> I winder why they keep it so secret.
[21:58:22] <robtone_> wonder.
[22:00:02] <robtone_> I can imagine some slow / no responsive authorities, a victim which is forced to ask those authorities, and minimizing the space for the nonce
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[22:02:00] <robtone_> recently there where such attacs, which I believe made Wietse also implement the stress-knob, because slow, unresposnive authorities can be a pain for a smtp
[22:05:36] <pickcoder> we have unresponsive authorities...
[22:08:52] <robtone_> everyone can have a unresponsive authority :-)
[22:09:08] <robtone_> kinda.
[22:13:39] <supa_user> seekwill: so, got any ideas on that To: header problem?
[22:13:57] <seekwill> Not in postfix, sorry
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[22:23:20] <halflife08> hello folks i get this ***** on banner the initial attempt to connect to the server at port 25 http://rafb.net/p/Qsli9e71.html
[22:23:36] <supa_user> cisco pix?
[22:23:37] <halflife08> and then a min later it is just fine.
[22:30:17] <supa_user> cisco pix in a load balance setup of some sorts with different configs?
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[22:31:29] <Azrael> on my outgoing mail servers, for emails destined to specific addresses (i.e. phishing account aggregator addresses), how can i adjust postfix to send those emails somewhere else instead?
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[22:32:53] <supa_user> per user transport ?
[22:33:46] <Azrael> i suppose
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[22:33:55] <Azrael> its for emails destined to addresses outside of my domain
[22:34:15] <Azrael> i'd like to redirect those specific emails elsewhere
[22:34:22] <supa_user> i'd hope you weren't asking for help to phish :)
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[22:44:05] <samuel> hi
[22:44:26] <Azrael> supa_user, no
[22:44:40] <Azrael> supa_user, i'm trying to prevent users from continuously responding to <><
[22:45:34] <supa_user> I just tend to reject them via recipient checks.
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[23:02:58] <posix^> How would you send a queued message to the bottom of the queue?
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[23:04:44] <posix^> ah postsuper -h.. nm
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[23:36:48] <soren> sysmonk: Heh.. I'll give you slightly more than the output for irssi
[23:36:53] <soren> sh       12083  0.0  2.1  45624 21960 ?        Ss    2006  25:46 SCREEN -D -R norm
[23:36:57] <soren> sh       23256  0.0  4.5 167100 47176 pts/4    S+   Jan21 127:32 irssi
[23:37:23] <soren> sysmonk: Someone lured me into loading a faulty plugin back in January, otherwise it would have read 2006 as well.
[23:38:02] <soren> WEll, it might not strictly be faulty, but rather just compiled for the irssi version currently installed rather than the one I started back in 2006.
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[23:39:22] <jeev> sore
[23:39:22] <jeev> soren
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[23:39:25] <jeev> how is denmark
[23:40:29] <soren> Dark.
[23:40:31] <soren> It's night time.
[23:40:33] <sysmonk> soren: hm
[23:40:39] <sysmonk> soren: and i had another question
[23:40:57] <sysmonk> soren: when i looked at your screenshot, i saw multiple windows for the same nick+server
[23:41:08] <sysmonk> 07-09 21:00:05 <+sysmonk> 283, 284, 295, 297 <- all theese windows belong to freenode, uvirtbot
[23:41:14] <soren> sysmonk: Yeah. that's a bit annoying.
[23:41:27] <sysmonk> and, excuse my french, what the fuck is it?
[23:41:27] <sysmonk> :)
[23:41:29] <soren> sysmonk: If someone changes their nick, and I open a /query with them, and then they change it back...
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[23:41:38] <sysmonk> ah
[23:41:43] <sysmonk> there's a plugin for that
[23:41:46] <soren> Well, it would be rather... yeah, you get it.
[23:42:04] <soren> Oh... Is it perl or C? I don't load C modules anymore. I told you about January, right?
[23:42:05] <sysmonk> tracks ident@host
[23:42:27] <sysmonk> soren: perl afair, but i won't tell you the name of that plugin right now
[23:42:34] <sysmonk> i'd have to search for it myself
[23:42:55] <soren> No worries. I'm happy with it the way it is. It's not very common, actually. uvirtbot is... um.. "special".
[23:43:15] <sysmonk> tried lots of plugins when i moved from bx to irssi, but left none
[23:43:22] <sysmonk> except sometimes i use sysinfo-xxxxx.pl
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[23:43:28] <sysmonk> don't remember the version :)
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[23:44:26] <sysmonk> soren: and anyway, not updating your system for that long time isn't wise, but you know that yourself :P
[23:45:11] <soren> Oh, the system is updated.
[23:45:16] <soren> Except the kernel.
[23:45:56] <soren> The only problem with that one is the vmsplice vuln from... a while ago, but that's only locally exploitable, and I'm the only user on the server.
[23:46:04] <soren> So *shrug*.
[23:46:38] <jeev> soren
[23:46:43] <jeev> you forgot, i'm on the system too
[23:46:46] <jeev> i'm going to vmsplice you!
[23:46:58] <sysmonk> heh, yeah ;)
[23:47:48] <soren> jeev: Bring it :)
[23:48:29] <jeev> p00f
[23:52:53] <bondoer> hi, it is possible to reject the message within my Content filter and provide it my own pregenerated reject text?
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[23:58:38] <sysmonk> bondoer: after queue filtering or before queue?
[23:58:49] <sysmonk> bondoer: if it's after queue - then you can't reject, you can only bounce
[23:59:26] <sysmonk> if it's before queue - then it works as a proxy ( hence the smtpd_proxy* ) so anything that your content-filter will return will be pushed back to the client





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