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[01:47:50] <edibrac1> i have a new user taking over the job of an old one, but during the transition period, they want the new guy to automatically be cc'd by the old one. Is this easy to do on the server side?
[01:48:09] <edibrac1> or should i be mean and tell the user to remember to use the cc field
[01:48:17] <ndonegan> edibrac1: create an alias
[01:48:46] <ndonegan> edibrac1: as in put the following line in /etc/aliases:
[01:48:55] <edibrac1> yeah but that's for all inbound messages, what if it's in response to a current message?
[01:48:56] <ndonegan> newuser: newuser,olduser
[01:49:14] <ndonegan> hmm, that's more awkward.
[01:50:04] <edibrac1> part of me wants to say -- i think this should be a server config thing -- i should make them do it, that's what thunderbird is for..
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[01:51:52] <ndonegan> edibrac1: to be honest I'm not sure how to do it, but I'm betting it can be done on the server
[01:53:24] <edibrac1> ok at least I am more certain that it is not obvious
[01:53:55] <ndonegan> edibrac1: it probably is obvious, just too obvious :)
[01:53:58] <edibrac1> i sort of want to push this off to the user...but this one has "Manager" in her job title.
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[02:11:36] <lunaphyte> an entry in alias_maps is just fine.
[02:26:21] <ndonegan> lunaphyte: but will that catch outbound mails FROM the new user and CC them?
[02:27:39] <lunaphyte> oh, you want to cc someone based on the from address?
[02:28:30] <ndonegan> lunaphyte: ask edibrac1, I think that's what he requires
[02:28:44] <ndonegan> 00:48 < edibrac1> yeah but that's for all inbound messages, what if it's in  response to a current message?
[02:29:02] <lunaphyte> oops, sorry, wrong person.
[02:30:44] <ndonegan> lunaphyte: np :)
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[02:37:59] <adamt> Hi :-)
[02:38:57] <adamt> I'm able to send and recieve mail just fine, but nmap says port 25 is filtered -- how the heck can i recieve email than?
[02:44:41] <lunaphyte> are you scanning localhost?
[02:46:41] <adamt> no, i'm scanning from home to the server (antistof.dk)
[02:47:12] <adamt> nothing fancy, nmap antistof.dk -p 25
[02:48:07] <lunaphyte> scan from the server itself.
[02:49:28] <adamt> it says open, but.. why is that relevant?
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[02:49:45] <adamt> i suppose other servers connect to my server @ port 25 to deliver mail, right?
[02:50:20] <adamt> that's why i don't get why it's working, when nmap from the outside says port 25 is filtered
[02:50:34] <lunaphyte> well, it just demonstrates that something along the way (probably your isp) is potentially screwing with your traffic, although atm, not enough to really break anything, if mail can be delivered and received.
[02:51:34] <lunaphyte> do you understand clearly what "filtered" means, in the context of nmap?
[02:51:50] <adamt> oh, it might be local then? now you say it, i think my isp is blocking connections to port 25
[02:52:17] <adamt> so.. "d'oh!" :-)
[02:52:47] <lunaphyte> how could it be local?  didn't you just say it was open when you did a local scan?
[02:54:05] <adamt> lunaphyte: ehh. local problem, as in problem when scanning from my laptop at home, away from the server
[02:54:19] <adamt> sorry for messing stuff up
[02:56:13] <lunaphyte> i see.  yes, your isp at home could be screwing with outbound port25.  many often do.
[02:56:37] <adamt> but thanks lunaphyte, it was most enlightening :-) (and yes, they screw with it)
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[02:59:43] <Tardalicious> the worst isp for screwing with port 25 is at&t imho, they closed it all together for any relay. to relay off of at&t servers now you have to use port 587 and tls, and beyond that every "from" name must be defined in your at&t account, meaning the address has to get verified... it's crazy
[03:00:22] <adamt> Tardalicious: sick
[03:01:14] <Tardalicious> yeah every email address that i host from my home behind at&t has to be defined in my at&t account and working, at&t sends you a verification code to that email address, only after verifying can you relay mail from that email account
[03:01:18] <edibrac1> but they are one of the most "admired" companies according to Fortune magazine
[03:03:26] <Tardalicious> What's better is that when they released "business internet mail" or BIM (should be BUM), they didn't really have a way to know that there were TONS of people hosting their own servers / email from their homes that would all have to change to use TLS, port 587 and a sasl_passwd mapped correctly.... imean that's a huge change for a lot of people
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[03:04:27] <PcPixel> what statment would you put before reject_unknown_helo_hostname to create a whitelist of servers that are having trouble, but you know them to be good
[03:04:43] <adamt> Tardalicious: sounds like you got some anger you need to unleash :P
[03:04:48] <Tardalicious> lol
[03:05:04] <Tardalicious> not anymore, everything is working again lol
[03:06:37] <PcPixel> ive got a client tryign to send in mail but that directive is messing things up. but im catching a lot of junk mail as a result.
[03:06:51] <PcPixel> of using reject_unknown_helo_hostname that is
[03:07:30] <Tardalicious> PcPixel, if it's that one client would it be easier just putting that server on your whitelist? since reject_unknown_helo_hostname just rejects mail servers that dont know their own hostname right?
[03:07:48] <PcPixel> right. thts what im asking
[03:07:54] <PcPixel> what is it i put before that check to create a whitelist
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[03:10:39] <Tardalicious> I think there's a couple ways you can create a white list and use that in your main.cf file
[03:12:51] <Tardalicious> PcPixel: This might help: http://readlist.com/lists/postfix.org/postfix-users/11/58800.html
[03:13:27] <PcPixel> no, i know how to create maps
[03:16:47] <Tardalicious> But if it's that one client, then your white list should ignore the reject_unknown_helo_hostname from ignoring your client who has a malconfigured mail server, no? I'm kind of a noob so I'm trying to understand :)
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[03:18:08] <PcPixel> thats the thing
[03:18:12] <PcPixel> i knwo i need a while list
[03:18:16] <PcPixel> i know how to make the white list
[03:18:23] <PcPixel> i DONT know what directive to use before it
[03:18:30] <PcPixel> ex: chack_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/mymap
[03:18:49] <PcPixel> what do i use WITH the white list to be sure it doesnt execute the reject_unknown_helo_hostname
[03:21:15] <Tardalicious> did you postmap the file?
[03:21:21] <PcPixel> ....
[03:21:23] <PcPixel> yes
[03:21:31] <PcPixel> now what DIRECTIVE do i use with said postmapped file
[03:22:00] <Tardalicious> check_sender_access = hash:/etc/postfix/whitelist
[03:22:04] <Tardalicious> in your main.cf
[03:22:13] <PcPixel> right
[03:22:17] <PcPixel> this is in the HELO greeting
[03:22:21] <PcPixel> so we havent even gotten to the sender
[03:22:29] <PcPixel> im dealing with smtpd_helo_Restrictions
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[03:24:36] <Tardalicious> i see what you're saying, check this out, it's the same problem i think: http://readlist.com/lists/postfix.org/postfix-users/20/103261.html
[03:25:19] <PcPixel> bingo!
[03:25:20] <PcPixel> yes
[03:25:23] <PcPixel> thats it
[03:25:23] <rob0> !access
[03:25:24] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
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[03:25:43] <adamt> (could anyone try sending a mail to adam at antistof dot dk ? Thanks :-)
[03:25:48] <Tardalicious> yeah you can white list every stage of the authentication / restrictions
[03:25:54] <Tardalicious> adamt: i will one sec
[03:26:03] <adamt> Tardalicious: thanks
[03:26:24] <Tardalicious> adamt: sent
[03:26:46] <adamt> Tardalicious: thanks :-)
[03:26:52] <Tardalicious>  2D5CC180C3DE: to=<adam at antistof dot dk>, relay=smtp.att.yahoo.com[68.142.198.11]:587, delay=12, delays=11/0.04/0.98/0.54, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok 1215480381 qp 75669)
[03:27:39] <adamt> i should really learn how to read that one day :-)
[03:28:30] <Tardalicious> i just look at the status and the "ok" part, if it says "sent" i'm happy lol
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[03:29:17] <adamt> i keep getting astonished by the speed this stuff happends at O_o
[03:30:37] <adamt> i'm forwarding stuff from my google apps setup, to this new shiny postfix/dovecot setup (for testing), and your mail popped up the same moment you wrote "sent"..  but i'm easy to astonish
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[03:35:20] <jfarmer> I have a web application that sends out emails to users.  I want to process the messages that bounce for whatever reason.
[03:35:27] <jfarmer> Any tips on where to look to get such information?
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[03:41:07] <sirus> Can anyone help me with maia mailgaurd I have it installed and setup but when I get to the super user login proccess I get the following error. http://pastebin.com/m3c7ab5da
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[03:48:12] <Dominian> uhh
[03:48:19] <Dominian> what does maia mailguard have to do with postfix...?
[03:48:38] <sirus> I thought it was an addon, for postfix
[03:48:41] <sirus> wrong chan?
[03:48:56] <Dominian> er.. no its not
[03:49:01] <Dominian> its something for amavisd iirc
[03:49:12] <sirus> yeah amavisd
[03:49:36] <Dominian> based on amavisd-new I shoulds ay
[03:49:51] <sirus> hrmm
[03:50:25] <sirus> need to find out how to fix this problem
[03:50:38] <Dominian> its actually quote obvious
[03:50:44] <sirus> I checked the DB.php script on line 535 nothing looks out of place
[03:50:48] <Dominian> you're missing the PEAR DB module
[03:50:58] <rob0> I ate it.
[03:51:01] <sirus> wha
[03:51:06] <sirus> I installed that
[03:51:32] <Dominian> /usr/local/share/pear/DB.php is what it says is missing
[03:51:52] <sirus> DB.php exists there tho
[03:52:08] <rob0> um, look on line 535 thereof
[03:52:30] <rob0> Failed opening 'DB/\xe2\x80\x9cmysql.php'
[03:52:46] <Dominian> ouch
[03:52:50] <Dominian> that doesn't look good
[03:52:58] <rob0> wtf is that, UTF-8?
[03:53:05] <Dominian> eh
[03:53:08] <Dominian> Good question
[03:53:14] <sirus> I cant find that file anywhere on my system
[03:53:14] <Dominian> either that or an SSL stream that is fscked
[03:53:26] <rob0> /usr/local/share/pear/DB.php
[03:53:35] <rob0> you said you have it, now you don't?
[03:53:39] <sirus> I do
[03:53:47] <sirus> x9cmysql.php
[03:53:52] <sirus> i cant find that one
[03:53:55] <Dominian> mysql.php is what its looking for
[03:54:00] <Dominian> the x9c is extra crap coming from somewhre
[03:54:06] <sirus> hrmm
[03:54:15] <rob0> can you paste line 535 here?
[03:54:26] <sirus> sure
[03:54:54] <rob0> remember, this is Unix, "\" is not a path separator :)
[03:55:07] <sirus>   @include_once "DB/${type}.php";
[03:55:16] <rob0> ah
[03:55:33] <sirus> something wrong with the php script?
[03:55:33] <rob0> so that variable ${type} is being set wrong
[03:55:40] <sirus> oh
[03:55:41] <rob0> I think you need Maia help.
[03:55:55] <sirus> I guess the fbsd port is messed up
[03:56:03] <rob0> they have a forum or mailing list.
[03:56:16] <rob0> or maybe just on the amavisd-new list
[03:56:26] <rob0> I think the Maia guy is there too
[03:56:41] <sirus> hrmm
[03:56:56] <sirus> so this is a maia php script issue?
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[03:57:19] <rob0> well, it is CERTAINLY NOT a Postfix issue :)
[03:58:03] <sirus> fair enough thanks
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[04:00:10] <jfarmer> I'm trying to process bounces of emails sent from Postfix.  Any pointers?
[04:02:53] <rob0> Don't send bounces. :) Don't accept mail you can't deliver.
[04:07:00] <jfarmer> rob0: I mean to say, I'm sending email and it's bouncing back to our server with the reason for a bounce.
[04:07:08] <jfarmer> I want to log that bounce in a database.
[04:08:31] <jfarmer> rob0: Any ideas?
[04:08:33] <Tardalicious> jfarmer: postfix only logs to syslog, use syslog-ng to output to a script if you want to save those logs to a database, there's a php project too called php-syslog-ng that saves syslog stuff to db
[04:08:47] <jfarmer> Tardalicious: Interesting, ok.
[04:09:05] <jfarmer> I can't, say, use procmail to do this?
[04:09:46] <Tardalicious> procmail just filters mail no?
[04:10:20] <jfarmer> Don't bounces normally come back as an email?
[04:12:13] <Tardalicious> well it'd be pretty easy to write a script to save just those emails that bounce into a database, there's a lot of 3rd party projects that deal with putting all that stuff into db too
[04:12:26] <jfarmer> Tardalicious: Great.  Any pointers?
[04:12:32] <jfarmer> I reiterate the fact that I'm mostly ignorant of Postfix.
[04:12:57] <rob0> lol, what does writing a script have to do with Postfix?
[04:13:08] <Tardalicious> write a script and put it on a cron job? it's not really a postfix thing as it is a writing a script to dump text files into a database
[04:13:56] <jfarmer> Tardalicious: Write a script to do *what*?
[04:14:04] <jfarmer> What does the script read from?
[04:14:10] <jfarmer> That's my question.
[04:14:26] <Tardalicious> well you said you wanted to put bounced emails into a database right?
[04:14:27] <jfarmer> The only part of the problem I don't understand is how to interface with Postfix and process the bounced emails.
[04:14:32] <jfarmer> Yes.
[04:15:02] <Tardalicious> there's no interfacing needed really, bounced emails will show up as text files on your server in the Maildir or mbox for whoever it bounced for
[04:15:17] <jfarmer> There we go. :)
[04:15:19] <jfarmer> Thanks.
[04:16:22] <Tardalicious> if you're using Maildir all emails will show up in /user/Maildir/new | cur | tmp and if you're using mbox they will be in /var/mail/user_name
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[04:18:27] <rob0> Um, I guess that would depend on where you had them delivered? /var/mail/$USER is a standard, but no other standard exists.
[04:18:57] <Tardalicious> yeah true, you can change where it gets delivered
[04:20:06] <jfarmer> Ok, that's at least a pointer in the right directions.
[04:20:07] <jfarmer> Thanks!
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[04:24:21] <rob0> there IS a question he forgot to ask ... and it's a Postfix one ...
[04:24:36] <rob0> ... how does he route these bounces to his script?
[04:28:08] <sirus> hrmm I wonder if i can just disable maia
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[04:33:08] <Tardalicious> rob0: how would you route a bounced email to a script? if it was me i would just write a script on a cron job that just read the files for a bounce and logged the ones that were bounced, but how can you get postfix to do it automatically without a cron job?
[04:34:24] <rob0> !sender_bcc_maps
[04:34:24] <knoba> rob0: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[04:34:40] <rob0> oh that won't work
[04:34:50] <rob0> "when mail enters from outside of Postfix"
[04:35:13] <rob0> So, I guess he's got a mess to work out.
[04:35:47] <Tardalicious> lol
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[05:04:50] <sirus> maia hates me
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[05:19:15] <sahil> sirus: maia... *cringe*
[05:20:30] <sirus> ?
[05:20:53] * sahil hates maia, too.
[05:21:22] <sahil> or any web gui-pooey quarantine system.  just tag and deliver to spam/ and let user handle it. :)
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[05:23:36] <sirus> hrmm
[05:23:40] <sirus> how can I do that?
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[05:24:10] <rob0> !recipient_delimiter
[05:24:10] <knoba> rob0: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.
[05:24:24] <rob0> set it to something like -
[05:24:48] <rob0> have amavisd-new send all spam to user-spam
[05:25:02] <rob0> I can't remember the name of the option, but it was simple
[05:25:19] <sirus> I'll have to find out how to do that.
[05:25:30] <sirus> I'm on a freebsd system
[05:25:42] <rob0> for local(8) users make a ~/.forward-spam file to put mail in the spam folder
[05:25:43] <sirus> I dont see this amavised-new
[05:26:06] <rob0> for other classes, add user-spam entries which deliver appropriately
[05:26:25] <sahil> sirus: i do this on a freebsd system using recipient_delimiter as rob0 suggests.
[05:27:13] <sahil> sirus: read http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html#addrext for context.
[05:27:22] <sirus> thx
[05:27:46] <rob0> then you should probably change everything to D_PASS in amavisd-new
[05:27:52] <sahil> sirus: and amavisd-new is in the freebsd ports tree: /usr/ports/security/amavisd-new
[05:28:05] <rob0> so as sahil says, each user has her own quarantine
[05:28:39] * sahil nods
[05:28:58] <sirus> hrmm
[05:29:21] <sirus> all I installed is clamav/spamassian
[05:29:29] <sirus> I never installed amavised
[05:29:35] <sirus> i wonder how its running
[05:29:51] <sahil> sirus: everyone does things their own way.  you don't *need* amavisd-new to have mail pass through clamav and spamassassin.
[05:30:58] <sirus> Ok so with clamav/spamassasian
[05:31:03] <sirus> what do u suggest?
[05:31:07] <sahil> sirus: the way our server works is that mail hits postfix which does some initial checks, then passes mail to amavisd-new, which is essentially "wrapper" for clamav and spamassassin.  because we run these content filters AFTER queue, we have everything set to D_PASS as rob0 suggests above to prevent backscatter.
[05:31:55] <sirus> hrmm
[05:31:59] <sirus> sounds complicated
[05:32:13] <sahil> sirus: to integrate postfix with amavisd-new, start here: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/README.postfix.html -- read some peripheral documentation on that same web site.  it's not complicated at all.
[05:32:31] <sahil> sirus: is this a production mail server or something with which you are dabbling to learn unix/postfix?
[05:32:48] <sahil> sirus: if the latter, then just dive in and break stuff.  then try to fix it. :P
[05:33:27] <sirus> production box
[05:33:32] <rob0> Mail *is* complicated
[05:34:01] <sahil> sirus: then tread carefully.
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[05:35:29] <sirus> thanks all
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[05:38:13] <lkthomas> hey guys
[05:38:27] <lkthomas> is it possible to ask postfix to hold all send mail by 5mins before sent out ?
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[05:56:28] <serialthrilla> what's the big diff between content_filter (via pipe) and using the mailbox_command ?
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[06:18:00] <markl__> are there any good ideas for clustering/load balancing postfix & an imap/pop server
[06:25:29] <serialthrilla> postfix frontends that communicates with the mail storage servers via lmtp perhaps
[06:27:47] <serialthrilla> if you need a distributed filesystem i've seen some reports of glusterfs being used for mail
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[07:58:04] <JeffH> is there any way to find out how many entries post-grey knows about?
[08:04:33] <f3ew> Postgrey stores it's data in a BDB file, so you can just use Perl to open the file and print the # of keys
[08:05:24] <JeffH> gotcha.. thanks.
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[09:06:32] <mosez> hi
[09:06:53] <mosez> i dont know really much about postfix and mtas... but looks my config ok? -> http://nopaste.info/510ba7ba09.html
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[09:09:09] <mosez> hi cilly
[09:10:30] <cilly> hi mosez
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[09:12:53] <mosez> cilly: nix mit englisch? :P
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[09:15:31] <mosez> sending and retrieveing mails works, but i dont really know if my settings are really secure...
[09:15:44] <mosez> ok, first relay test was blocked fine =)
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[10:08:10] <joobie> hey guys.. is it possible to delete emails sent from a particular user that are sitting in a users mailspool?
[10:17:09] <Roobarb> not with postfix
[10:17:27] <Roobarb> you'd have to delete the messages manually
[10:23:44] <joobie> Roo.. thanks.. i used mutt and cleared
[10:24:00] <joobie> what about the postfix queue itself? if i want to delete all emails 'from' a particular user in the queue?
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[10:27:06] <Roobarb> man postsuper
[10:27:27] <Roobarb> although you may not be able to do it in quite the way you want
[10:28:12] <joobie> hmm it looks complex
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[10:32:39] <serialthrilla> ohhh ho ho, i found my answer, mailbox_command only works for local mail.. so if it was forwarded to another host, it wouldn't touch the mailbox_command command...
[10:34:14] <jgr> Can U help? I can't connect to my smtp server. I have set no firewall, and /etc/hosts.deny is empty. Smpt service is listening on external IP. Where should I look to solve the problem?
[10:34:44] <joobie> jgr, can u telnet locally to that public ip
[10:34:45] <joobie> ?
[10:35:27] <jgr> joobie: I tried, but I can't.
[10:36:07] <jgr> joobie: but locally (from the system) there is no problem.
[10:36:24] <joobie> when you did locally, did you go in on the public ip or local ip?
[10:36:29] <jgr> As I said, I'm not using any firewall rules. The all traffic (in, out) is passed.
[10:37:19] <jgr> joobie: public ip
[10:37:20] <serialthrilla> your ISP is blocking port 25
[10:37:53] <joobie> jgr, serial could be right
[10:38:02] <joobie> have you tried a tcpdump to see if the traffic is hitting your box?
[10:38:21] <jgr> joobie: I have tried, there is any incomming traffic that comming to 25 port.
[10:38:33] <jgr> I will change smtp listen port.
[10:38:56] <serialthrilla> 587 is the alt smtp port i believe
[10:41:18] <jgr> I change into 587 port - with no problem I could connect.
[10:41:33] <jgr> But I have no idea, why my ISP block 25 port.
[10:41:40] <serialthrilla> yay
[10:41:53] <serialthrilla> spam and virus prevention
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[10:57:45] <AntreKotik> Good whatever, everyone!
[10:58:17] <AntreKotik> Per user UCE control patch for Postfix  ---  is there any implementation of this for current version?
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[11:07:31] <Roobarb> AntreKotik: probably not natily with postfix
[11:07:35] <Roobarb> *nativly
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[11:08:21] <f3ew> AntreKotik, that because the policy daemon
[11:08:24] <f3ew> became*
[11:08:41] <AntreKotik> Roobarb, yes, I googled but I coudn't find anything recent...
[11:08:47] <Roobarb> AntreKotik: something like http://www.mailzu.net/ will allow users to release/reject their own spam though
[11:08:48] <f3ew> you have restriction_classes and policy daemons
[11:08:55] <Roobarb> assuming you use amaivsd
[11:09:07] * f3ew remembers the per user stuff from ~ 2002
[11:09:30] <f3ew> you have restriction_classes and policy daemons <== @ AntreKotik
[11:09:34] <AntreKotik> f3ew, policy daemons... OK I'm going to google it a bit, thanx a lot
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[11:49:30] <rob_c> hello
[11:49:34] <rob_c> i need some help please
[11:50:01] <rob_c> my imap / dovecot conf says stat() open(/hom/maildir) permission denied
[11:50:14] <rob_c> what does that might indicate ?
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[11:51:05] <f3ew>  /home perhaps?
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[12:03:07] <Trengo> i think he noticed
[12:03:16] <Trengo> and quickly quit in shame
[12:04:08] <Trengo> without even telling us "stupid me" or "god i'm so stupid" or "there's no end to human stupidity, human being me, obviously"
[12:05:27] * Dewi laughs.
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[12:06:17] <Dewi> he should face up to his own suck
[12:06:29] <Dewi> and remain here for the deserved mocking
[12:06:56] <Trengo> yeah
[12:07:01] <Dewi> (by which rules, I am never likely to be able to leave)
[12:07:24] <Trengo> everybody knows just talking about your problems often shows a solution
[12:07:57] <Dewi> Trengo: it's undeniably true, but people still think I'm odd when I talk to myself
[12:08:04] <Trengo> usually involving a hitman or fleeing to sweden
[12:08:16] <Trengo> Dewi you need friends
[12:08:22] <Trengo> or coworkers
[12:08:30] <Dewi> Trengo: I broke them all
[12:08:48] <js_> i get "unroutable address" when sending mail to local users from a local machine.. what can cause this?
[12:08:49] <Trengo> you broke them??
[12:10:08] <Dewi> Trengo: yeah, there's a lot of suck to talk about
[12:10:39] <Dewi> Trengo: even when I talk to *myself*, myself tends to break when I've barely gotten started
[12:11:05] <Trengo> perhaps you need professional help
[12:11:09] * Trengo hides
[12:12:59] * f3ew introduces Dewi to Marvin
[12:13:11] <Dewi> Trengo: yeah, at least if they break you can just buy another one
[12:13:51] <Trengo> dunno, i used to talk to my boss
[12:13:55] <Trengo> but she was way nuts
[12:14:04] <Trengo> way way way nuttier than me
[12:14:18] <Trengo> thats because she had a brain tumor but nobody knew
[12:15:13] <Dewi> Hmm, my boss has nuts, but I think he's had that condition since birth
[12:15:17] <Dewi> er, is nuts
[12:15:27] <Dewi> he certainly doesn't *have* nuts
[12:15:53] * Dewi laughs.
[12:15:56] <Dewi> Aah. Anyway.
[12:16:09] <Trengo> i hear you
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[12:21:44] <Internat> hahahahahah
[12:21:50] <Internat> *ahem*
[12:21:52] <Ramattack> Helourrr!
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[13:55:08] <a_ok> In main.cf i have configured maps_rbl_domains = relays.ordb.org,zen.spamhaus.org
[13:55:13] <a_ok> is this enough?
[13:55:50] <a_ok> or do i have to tell postfix somewhere i want them rejected or something? what does it do anyway?
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[13:58:41] <f3ew> !cheatsheet
[13:58:41] <knoba> f3ew: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[13:58:46] <f3ew> a_ok see that
[13:59:24] <a_ok> f3ew yeah thanks
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[14:00:27] <robban> hello
[14:01:17] <f3ew> lo
[14:01:26] <a_ok> f3ew seems that maps_rbl_domains is postix 1.X thanks
[14:04:29] <a_ok> f3ew: spamassassin is also configured and also does some stuff with RBL's, A is this doing things twise B are some of the blacklists in there not always a reason to instandly reject from them
[14:05:04] <f3ew> a_ok, you could turn off the DNSBL check in spamassassin
[14:05:20] <a_ok> ok
[14:06:25] <a_ok> but that still leaves me with question B if that one is true i want to leave them on to get some extra points for mails that are a tad more likely to be spam
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[14:33:43] <danfg> what's with me getting "450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname"? i don't get it, my host is 'findable', what's going on?
[14:33:56] <mwalling> !fcrdns
[14:33:57] <knoba> mwalling: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[14:34:36] <danfg> mwalling: thanks!
[14:34:53] <adamt> is there an easy way to make sure that my server doesn't act as an open relay?
[14:36:53] <robban> danfg: hostname --fqdn returns?
[14:37:34] <danfg> robban: my hostname
[14:37:49] <robban> oh, sorry... you might have resolved your problem
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[14:38:07] <danfg> robban: actually it persists, i'm going to talk to my isp
[14:38:18] <mwalling> danfg: what hostname.
[14:38:24] <danfg> i mean, my host provider
[14:38:29] <danfg> mwalling: umcertoalguem.com
[14:38:50] <mwalling> umcertoalguem.com has mail provided by google apps.
[14:39:35] <mwalling> what hostname is your server advertising in its HELO
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[14:41:02] <robban> hmm... unknown user: "robert"
[14:41:23] <robban> do you need to reload some priveliges when adding new users to the mysql-db?
[14:41:44] <danfg> mwalling: i use google to receive mail. i think they will solve it now, i made a reverse dns request to my host's support
[14:41:57] <danfg> mwalling: thanks a lot btw, i hope this will solve the issue
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[14:45:29] <danfg> i'm a bit mad right now for not knowing this
[14:45:38] <danfg> it's my fault though *sigh*
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[14:53:57] <robban> Hmm, anyone with a clue?
[14:54:23] <robban> postfix/local[7973]: 4BCCE52D4845: to=<robert at svira dot se>, relay=local, delay=0.05, delays=0.05/0/0/0, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "robert")
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[14:54:37] <robban> is it trying to connect to the old MX found for svira.se?
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[15:13:32] <xpoint> robban, see local_recipient_maps or just all local_*
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[15:14:14] <xpoint> robban, postfix cant see what local users there exists on your install
[15:15:09] <xpoint> robban, postconf -n
[15:15:14] <xpoint> !paste
[15:15:14] <knoba> xpoint: "paste" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[15:15:19] <xpoint> there
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[15:20:58] <Nathariel> Hi all. I am trying to make some redundant mail servers sharing common queues and configs over NFS. The problem is that the "client" mail servers cannot forward inbound mail to the virtual mailboxes.
[15:22:00] <Nathariel> Usually I don't bother others with my own problems but I am stuck for days and there is no solution about this in internet. If somebody could give a hand, I will provide logs and everything needed. Tnx in advance
[15:31:50] <robban> xpoint, ok hold on
[15:32:11] <robban> !paste
[15:32:12] <knoba> robban: "paste" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[15:32:38] <robban> xpoint: http://paste.debian.net/9918/
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[15:33:14] <robban> when using some other domain that I have added, it works fine with that
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[15:33:31] <robban> but not with svira.se (recently changed the MX... not 100% sure that every dns has gotten the changes)
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[15:34:15] <PcPixel> We're randomly getting debug emails that contain the SMTP conversation for problematic emails. a) Where is the setting that controls this and b) is there a way to turn it on for specific people having problems?
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[15:37:15] <robban> http://paste.debian.net/9919/
[15:38:04] <robban> changes the nameservers to nameservers i know have the right settings... still same error :/
[15:40:03] <xpoint> Nathariel, dont share the spool dir !
[15:41:26] <xpoint> robban, remove line 14
[15:42:40] <Nathariel> I am sharing only the queues and I have binded /etc , /usr , /pid and /lib to the local system.
[15:42:44] <xpoint> robban, remove 4 and 11 olso
[15:42:58] <robban> hmm, in what file?
[15:43:12] <xpoint> robban, main.cf
[15:43:26] <robban> ah, ofc
[15:43:27] <robban> hold on
[15:43:47] <xpoint> Nathariel, newer share the spool
[15:44:08] <PcPixel> i agree. that just is asking for problems.
[15:44:11] <Nathariel> xpoint, isn't it possible two postfix instances to share the same queues and if one fail, the other to continue working ?
[15:44:38] <xpoint> Nathariel, nope this is complete unsupported, sorry
[15:45:01] <PcPixel> i'd deal with that w/ round robin MX records & multiple email servers
[15:45:02] <robban> still "unknown user"
[15:45:08] <dragonheart> wouldn't even it was possible, that the second instance would fail for the same reason the first would
[15:45:28] <xpoint> robban, still no bounce :)
[15:45:38] <Nathariel> xpoint, thank you. That will save me time.
[15:45:39] <robban> status=bounced (unknown user: "robert")
[15:45:40] <robban> :/
[15:45:54] <PcPixel> robban: what is the problem youre having?
[15:45:56] <xpoint> damm debian defaults
[15:46:01] <PcPixel> (i got in on this late)
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[15:46:35] <Nathariel> dragonheart, my idea was the queues in  /var/spool/postfix to be exported for the mail servers from a file server over NFS.
[15:46:36] <xpoint> robban, postconf -d | grep aliases
[15:47:01] <xpoint> robban, try build with a empty main.cf
[15:47:19] <robban> PcPixel: well, added a domain (svira.se) and added users... trying to mail to them won't work, unkown user. added the "deault domain name" for my server (79.99.1.69) that's ... coming right up... and added a user, and that user can recive emails
[15:47:20] <dragonheart> Nathariel: you should be fine with one.
[15:47:32] <xpoint> robban, and from there change what need to be changed
[15:47:49] <robban> 79-99-1-69.serverhotell.net
[15:47:53] <robban> xpoint: will have a look
[15:47:58] <xpoint> robban, added users where ?
[15:48:14] <PcPixel> yeah. is the domain you added for relaying or local delivery?
[15:48:24] <robban> local delivery
[15:48:34] <robban> xpoint: in the mysql db
[15:48:34] <PcPixel> are you receiving for multiple domains?
[15:48:38] <robban> http://paste.debian.net/9920/ <--- aliases
[15:48:45] <robban> PcPixel: yepp
[15:49:19] <robban> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ <--- followed that article, worked fine but not for svira.se but for the second domain i added
[15:49:24] <xpoint> robban, alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, nis:mail.aliases < change to alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[15:49:42] <robban> xpoint: but aliases should be read from the MySQL db..?
[15:50:10] <xpoint> robban, that to yes, but wee need to have control of local users first
[15:50:21] <robban> in main.cf it says: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[15:50:59] <xpoint> super, okay, mysql users need to have mysql maps
[15:51:16] <xpoint> postconf -m
[15:51:21] <xpoint> is mysql listed ?
[15:51:26] <robban> since robert at 79-99-1-69 dot serverhotell.net works... witch is added after robert at svira dot ... then mysql should work...
[15:51:28] <robban> hold on
[15:51:42] <robban> yepp, mysql is listed
[15:52:04] <xpoint> then create some maps to query mysql
[15:53:44] <xpoint> robban, that part is the easy part, the hard part is to find why it bounces none existsing users when it should reject and say unknown user
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[15:54:26] <robban> hmm
[15:54:32] <robban> yeah, that's true
[15:54:47] <robban> tried an non existing and got error at the smtp server...
[15:54:49] <PcPixel> would the mail loop line before hand have anything to do with it?
[15:54:50] <robban> hmms
[15:55:04] <robban> PcPixel: huh? =)
[15:55:27] <PcPixel>  the pastebin back up
[15:55:30] <PcPixel> i closed my browser
[15:55:35] <robban> ah
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[15:55:58] <robban> xpoint: hmm, maybe something with the mysql data...
[15:56:06] <robban> gonna try and empty it and add everything from the beginning
[15:56:14] <xpoint> no it must newer bounce
[15:56:18] <robban> might be some corruption / missing data?
[15:57:30] <xpoint> robban, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
[15:57:43] <xpoint> follow this guide
[15:58:18] <xpoint> even if its not etch you are on, any debian can setup with this in postfix
[15:58:51] <PcPixel> does anyone know how to make postfix send you a debug email for specific bad emails/smtp conversations?
[15:59:10] <xpoint> robban, when you belive its ok, show me postconf -n
[15:59:47] <xpoint> PcPixel, see notify_classes
[15:59:56] <robban> that's the one i've been following :)
[16:00:16] <PcPixel> ok. "Quick! To the Internet!" <firefox logo followed by Batman music>
[16:00:16] <xpoint> robban, just finnish it so
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[16:00:39] <robban> xpoint: i am finnished with it..?
[16:00:48] <xpoint> no
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[16:01:05] <robban> well, ok.. i skipped the spam stuff...
[16:01:26] <robban> I can't see that i've missed anything? Anything you can see that i have missed?
[16:01:41] <xpoint> but postfix bounces and this should be fixed
[16:02:34] <robban> well, that's what I'm trying to get help with here :)
[16:02:58] <robban> can't get what's wrong :/
[16:03:39] <PcPixel> robba: whats the pastebin link for the errors again
[16:05:11] <robban> just a sec
[16:05:42] <robban> http://paste.debian.net/9919
[16:05:59] <PcPixel> pok
[16:05:59] <PcPixel> yes
[16:06:02] <PcPixel> tharts the line i wanted
[16:06:12] <PcPixel> #
[16:06:12] <PcPixel> Jul  8 15:35:49 svira postfix/trivial-rewrite[3459]: warning: do not list domain svira.se in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains
[16:06:32] <PcPixel> i wonder if thats the line you should be focusing on versus the bounce for bad user
[16:07:59] <Nathariel> xpoint: I just wanna know, have you seen something like this before? http://paste.debian.net/9922
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[16:09:45] <Nathariel> I receive it on a domU mail server slave if I want to try to send a mail to a virtual mail box. If I send mails out I have no problems. For inbound mail using the "master" mails server, I have no problems as well
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[16:13:12] <xpoint> Nathariel, logs
[16:13:41] <robban> PcPixel: hmm... xpoint, what do you think? should I change from svira.se to some other host?
[16:13:51] <xpoint> robban, PcPixel showed a log you need to change
[16:14:08] <robban> xpoint, ok.. changing it to 79-99-1-69.serverhotell.net
[16:14:15] <robban> witch resolves to the same ip
[16:14:24] <PcPixel> robban: im thinking you have something listed in two places
[16:14:25] <PcPixel> #
[16:14:27] <PcPixel> Jul  8 15:35:49 svira postfix/trivial-rewrite[3459]: warning: do not list domain svira.se in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains
[16:14:30] <xpoint> robban, remove the line, if you want mysql
[16:14:46] <PcPixel> do you have that domain listed in both those places?
[16:14:59] <PcPixel> mydestination as well as virtual_mailbox_domains?
[16:15:19] <xpoint> PcPixel, he have logs dont lie :-)
[16:15:21] <robban> lol :)
[16:15:29] <robban> gyess what :P
[16:15:33] <robban> guess what
[16:15:43] <robban> it worked :)
[16:15:48] <xpoint> give me a icecream
[16:15:57] <PcPixel> robban: what was it
[16:16:11] <robban> hehe
[16:16:26] <PcPixel> i didnt think postfix implemented the hehe option
[16:16:28] <PcPixel> ;)
[16:16:32] <robban> changed mydestination from svira.se to 79....webbhotellet.net
[16:16:38] <robban> :P
[16:16:46] <PcPixel> i want a least a scoop of the icecream
[16:17:03] <robban> hehe, you sure will :) where u live? meet me in Stockholm, Sweden, and i'll buy you a icecream :P
[16:17:04] <PcPixel> im like shake n bake. "and I helped" :P
[16:17:13] <robban> :D
[16:17:14] <xpoint> robban, remove mydestination line completely and add wanted domains in mysql, more simple
[16:17:14] <PcPixel> i liv ein the Great Satan
[16:17:21] <PcPixel> i could just invade you and take your ice cream
[16:17:33] <PcPixel> but i digress :P
[16:17:47] <robban> :P
[16:17:52] <PcPixel> xpoint: is there a way to enable the notify_class for just specific emails? or is it pretty much an "all or nothing"?
[16:17:58] <robban> xpoint, hmm, ok... gonna have a look at that
[16:18:44] <Nathariel> xpoint: this is taken from one of the domu mail servers: http://paste.debian.net/9924/
[16:18:47] <xpoint> PcPixel, its more yes or no, it cant be enabled pr domain with that one unless you make classes
[16:19:08] <PcPixel> you can encapsulate it in a class?
[16:19:12] <Nathariel> the test1 at example2 dot com is a virtual mailbox
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[16:19:55] <xpoint> PcPixel, google for notify_classes
[16:20:03] <PcPixel> did. ill check again. :)
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[16:21:21] <xpoint> Nathariel, nfs queue ?
[16:22:00] <Nathariel> yes
[16:22:05] <killerchicken_> Hi, I want to send an application to someone, but it is banned by Postfix. How could I turn off that protection for messages that I send myself?
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[16:22:30] <xpoint> Nathariel, this is the problem even if there is one postfix install only
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[16:22:54] <xpoint> Nathariel, fix could be to use a nfs safe look
[16:23:34] <xpoint> postfix is not build or ment to be used with nfs
[16:24:32] <Nathariel> I know but I have gone too far to quit. I just want to know that I have tried everything.
[16:24:41] <Nathariel> Thanks for your suggestion, I will try it
[16:24:50] <PcPixel> xpoint: everything im finding is examples of it being used standalone but no class use. im going to keep looking.
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[16:29:41] <PcPixel> i suppose i can just uncomment the lines when i want to view the mails..
[16:31:22] <xpoint> PcPixel, that will change the problem :-)
[16:31:38] <PcPixel> xpoint: agreed :) but i cant find anything on what i want
[16:31:48] <PcPixel> and i dont want my inbox flooded with extraneous email :)
[16:31:52] <xpoint> what is not configured in main.cf will use settings from postconf -d
[16:32:45] <PcPixel> basically what sparked this is an accounting firm we contract to has a mail server misconfigured. we discovered this when i temporarily dropped the reject_unknown_helo_hostname and let the email come through. their DNS records show name A while the machine is really named B.
[16:33:00] <xpoint> a empty main.cf will not flood your mailbox :-)
[16:33:58] <xpoint> yes helo restrictions is mostly a bit silly
[16:33:59] <PcPixel> lol no
[16:35:00] <xpoint> i find it funny most peeple use bogus settings from debian installers and ask for help fix it
[16:35:25] <xpoint> all thay need is empty the main.cf
[16:36:57] <xpoint> just one thing need to be added really is when postfix is running on lan with nat, then one need to specify the wan ip in postfix main.cf with proxy_interfaces
[16:37:21] <xpoint> all the rest works with default settings
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[16:38:22] <xpoint> and default settings is postconf -d :)
[16:38:37] <xpoint> changed defaults is postconf -n
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[16:45:10] <PcPixel> xpoint: yes i know :)
[16:46:15] <PcPixel> xpoint: though i must say, by added those helo restrictions, we're blocking a lot of junkmail
[16:47:00] <F6F> well now i Think in 2 weeks I'll  have to setup postfix on my gentoo system
[16:47:05] <F6F> **G
[16:47:47] <F6F> any tips?
[16:48:26] <PcPixel> im not sure. ive never used gentoo. i tried it once, and just wasnt for me.,
[16:48:41] <xpoint> F6F, go for it :-)
[16:48:41] <PcPixel> other than what xpo9int has said. start w an empty main.cf ;)
[16:49:06] <xpoint> PcPixel, exactly
[16:49:13] <PcPixel> one thing i can say for postfix: ive had it in place for only one week & i've got a die hard sendmail guy singing its praises
[16:49:36] <PcPixel> f6f: if they supply you with one, make a backup copy of it (main.cfORIG)
[16:49:39] <PcPixel> but start blank
[16:50:22] <xpoint> PcPixel, i begin to like you :-)
[16:50:42] * xpoint is olso on gentoo
[16:51:30] <f3ew> PcPixel no need to start blank
[16:51:31] <xpoint> postfix+mailman+dovecot+squirrelmail+postfixadmin+smartsieve+apache
[16:51:41] <lunaphyte_> show me a die hard sendmail guy and i'll show you a guy who hasn't used postfix ;)
[16:52:17] <F6F> jo xpoint thats the way I think to do it
[16:52:27] <F6F> << worse English
[16:52:30] <snadge> you left out spamassassin, f-prot, dkfilter, popbeforesmtp
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[16:53:00] <xpoint> f3ew, you like debians funny default main.cf with can make backscatter ? :/
[16:53:53] * xpoint just find robban had such crappy conf
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[16:55:33] <F6F> on a host I dont need to set the mynetworks or?
[16:55:34] <xpoint> snadge, ups amavisd 2.6.1, mailzu, dkim, clamav, eh i have properly more running :-)
[16:55:53] <F6F> should I set it mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8?
[16:55:55] <snadge> how could one forget postgrey
[16:56:46] <xpoint> F6F, start with empty and if unsure see postconf -d if some of the defaults need to be changed, best advice i can give here
[16:57:32] <xpoint> snadge, i can
[16:57:54] <xpoint> snadge, i hope policyd v2 will be more stable
[16:58:33] <xpoint> find bugs here in it that 1 million fools cant find, thay call it stable, hmm
[16:59:58] <xpoint> it had tempfail with 550 error, greylist ip that is whiteliste, but only in rcpt stage, again stable. i just say no :-)
[17:00:46] <snadge> thats why i use postgrey? :P
[17:00:58] <xpoint> snadge, postgrey olso have its issues, but not as much as other greylisters
[17:02:36] <PcPixel> i use sender address verification over postgrey.
[17:02:38] <PcPixel> but thats just me
[17:03:31] <xpoint> PcPixel, and follow guides where vrfy is disabled, funny it creates more problem then it solves
[17:03:48] <PcPixel> xpoint: ive been fortunate. that one hasnt bit me in the ass just yet
[17:04:00] <PcPixel> with my configuration im at ~10% ham, 90% spam
[17:04:17] <PcPixel> our sendmail config was more 20% ham, 80% spam
[17:05:07] <xpoint> backscatterer org or something wants money for unlist sourceforge.net for using vrfy correct, but maybe thay is not that clueless :)
[17:06:30] <xpoint> i find it better to do a vrfy then test rcpt-to probes, i belive postfix test in that order
[17:08:07] <x86>     Area BACKBONE(0) (Inactive)
[17:08:21] <x86> why is this OSPF area "inactive"?
[17:08:48] <snadge> im finding a combination of a relatively standard postfix with spamassassin and postgrey does the trick.. since tweaking a few options, i rarely see spam get through
[17:09:09] <xpoint> snadge, currect
[17:09:53] <xpoint> F6F, begin install the gentoo box ?
[17:09:58] <snadge> mostly enabling the network tests, and customising some rules
[17:10:21] <snadge> helps having a trained filter as well
[17:11:11] <xpoint> yep, and when one find a old good guide with relay.ordb.org one think this is good :)
[17:11:18] <F6F> jo xpoint
[17:11:28] <x86> ah, wrong channel sorry ;)
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[17:11:49] <F6F> I started the stystem last week
[17:11:55] <xpoint> x86, wrong arch :-)
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[17:12:21] <F6F> and now Im starting to setup the server services Apache ist runnig
[17:12:27] <F6F> so far *G*
[17:12:44] <xpoint> its a start yes
[17:12:55] <F6F> Im new in the Server Corner but I think I can make it
[17:13:07] <F6F> im Running gentoo >2jears
[17:13:31] <F6F> and befor I had 2 years Debian (ua)
[17:14:50] <F6F> it wasnt funny to compile the kernel and set up the system remotely
[17:14:51] <F6F> *G*
[17:14:56] <F6F> but now its done *G*
[17:24:48] <robban> hmm, quick one
[17:24:54] <robban> any tips for a good autorespond script?
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[17:43:15] <xpoint> robban, dovecot-sieve
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[17:57:57] <rob0> I just looked at my last 10 419's. Guess how many of those came through gmail?
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[18:11:08] <xpoint> rob0, all ?
[18:11:44] <sysmonk> rob0: 11?
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[18:19:01] <rob0> xpoint: You win. Please to remit ASAP your bank account number so we can transfer your prize.
[18:19:14] <rob0> sysmonk: ditto
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[19:05:34] <pickcoder> anyone know if increasing the max process limit for smtp-amavis would be harmful?
[19:07:17] <sysmonk> anything you do is harmful
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[19:11:32] <pickcoder> the peanut gallery is --->
[19:12:22] <cpm> what is the current limit?
[19:12:38] <pickcoder> most instructions show 2
[19:12:46] <pickcoder> which makes no sense for a unix process
[19:13:43] <pickcoder> I think it's acting as a bottleneck on a machine here
[19:14:01] <pickcoder> (mine is 2, based on the docs)
[19:14:34] <seekwill> Docs are always wrong anyways. They don't know what they're doing. I bet they don't even test these things out.
[19:15:12] <cpm> yeah, idiot software engineers.
[19:15:17] <pickcoder> seekwill: of course.. why write documentation that's correct? It's more time saving to write incorrect docs..
[19:15:32] <cpm> fools that write the stuff have no idea how it works.
[19:16:47] <seekwill> Curious, why does it not make sense for a limit of two? (I don't agree nor disagree, just wondering)
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[19:17:18] <pickcoder> why is there a non-default master.cf limit.. that's my question
[19:17:25] <pickcoder> it's a unix service
[19:17:50] <pickcoder> I've yet to find a stated reason
[19:18:06] <pickcoder> thought maybe someone here would know off-hand a valid reason
[19:19:28] <pickcoder> maybe they're paranoid of memory abuse?
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[19:19:44] <seekwill> If you believe it is a bottleneck, why don't you just increase it?
[19:19:56] <pickcoder> I don't want to blow up my main mail server
[19:19:59] <pickcoder> heh
[19:20:12] <seekwill> Do it on your backup MX :)
[19:20:45] <pickcoder> my backup is the same machine over a different route
[19:20:55] <pickcoder> I do have other mail servers though
[19:21:00] <pickcoder> just don't get the same abuse
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[19:21:32] <contraventor> hi
[19:22:05] <contraventor> i'm problem with check_client_access , this feature don't block domains...
[19:22:23] <contraventor>  check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/dominios
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[19:42:14] <rob0> What does "block domains" mean?
[19:45:54] * cpm block domains rob0
[19:46:52] <pickcoder> the real question is "what is in the map, that's causing the domain's to not be blocked"
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[19:56:11] <rob0> Well, often we see people who don't know that check_client_access doesn't look at [forged] sender addresses (MAIL FROM).
[19:57:01] <pickcoder> the sender address has nothing to do with the smtp client address, though
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[19:59:55] <pickcoder> I guess "address" being a subjective term can cause confusion?
[20:00:42] <devdas> No
[20:00:54] <devdas> sender and client are RFC terms
[20:01:46] <pickcoder> and if there was a license/statute that required each e-mail admin to learn and understand the RFC then I suppose you could argue that
[20:01:59] * devdas shrugs
[20:02:05] <devdas> RTFRFC is a valid answer
[20:02:12] <pickcoder> heh
[20:02:12] <rob0> I'm just saying, people who use terms like "block a domain" are often confused.
[20:02:26] <rob0> like cpm
[20:02:38] * devdas blocks domains all the time
[20:02:56] <rob0> Sure, but devdas is a trained stunt driver on a closed track.
[20:03:08] <devdas> heh
[20:03:09] <pickcoder> </disclaimer>
[20:03:29] * devdas invokes his blackbird license
[20:04:39] <pickcoder> I need to plug in an e-mail notifier to our new door entry scanner. It's da-bomb.
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[20:09:30] <pickcoder> request for opinion: number of e-mails you expect to get from an online store
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[20:09:55] <pickcoder> (relating to your order)
[20:09:57] <lunaphyte_> ever?
[20:10:08] <lunaphyte_> oh
[20:10:16] <lunaphyte_> did the order go smoothly?
[20:10:22] <pickcoder> yes
[20:10:29] <pickcoder> credit card order
[20:10:30] <lunaphyte_> 2
[20:10:49] <pickcoder> order confirmation and then an invoice with tracking included?
[20:10:53] <lunaphyte_> 3 if it's pornography
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[20:11:06] <lunaphyte_> yeah.
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[20:12:54] <pickcoder> we're considering that right now
[20:13:05] * lunaphyte_ tries do decide if he thinks pickcoder is fishing for someone to ask him how many email he got when he ordered something, or if he's starting an online store.  ;)
[20:13:07] <pickcoder> right now we sent enough info to choke a dinasour
[20:13:19] <pickcoder> s/sent/send
[20:13:31] <lunaphyte_> wow.  i don't think i've ever seen a dinosaur that ate email.
[20:13:33] <pickcoder> no.. we get occasional complaints about all the e-mail notices
[20:13:43] <pickcoder> have you seen a horse eat e-mail?
[20:13:59] <pickcoder> e-mail and dinasours are a bit virtual...
[20:14:01] <pickcoder> heh
[20:14:15] <lunaphyte_> no, but i did see a horse do something else, in tijuana.
[20:14:31] <rob0> I have seen a dinosaur eat email.
[20:14:48] <rob0> My old MX server, when its hard drive died.
[20:14:58] <lunaphyte_> oh, hey, rob0 - that reminds me, can i borrow your time machine?
[20:15:14] <seekwill> What kind of file system do you guys use for your spool?
[20:15:22] * xpoint want to have a dsn safe fetchmail conf for postfix and amavisd
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[20:15:42] <rob0> My MX is a dinosaur, P-II 350.
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[20:16:02] <pickcoder> I have a 266 running apache2 and postfix
[20:16:07] <pickcoder> 384MB
[20:16:20] <pickcoder> seekwill: ext3
[20:16:21] <lunaphyte_> i love contests to see whose crap sucks the most  :)
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[20:16:28] <xpoint> pickcoder, linux on i286 lol
[20:16:38] <lunaphyte_> i keep my spool in ram.
[20:16:56] <pickcoder> I don't have a gigaspool, so I don't consider disk I/O as a performance issue
[20:17:12] <seekwill> gigaspool?
[20:17:20] <xpoint> spoon
[20:17:35] <pickcoder> lunaphyte_: ECC hopefully?
[20:17:47] <lunaphyte_> nah, too slow  :p
[20:17:49] <pickcoder> seekwill: gigs of e-mail going in and out constantly
[20:18:18] <seekwill> So how can IO not be your bottleneck?
[20:18:24] <lunaphyte_> it's a ram disk that uses swap for it's space.
[20:18:27] <pickcoder> linux buffering
[20:18:29] <pickcoder> lots of RAM
[20:18:35] <xpoint> windows runs entirely on free ram on harddrives, since we only need 640k ram then :-)
[20:19:00] <pickcoder> xpoint: unless it's Vista
[20:19:11] <seekwill> pickcoder: Isn't that against rfc?
[20:19:20] <sysmonk> sesee
[20:19:27] <sysmonk> woooops, wrong window
[20:19:34] <pickcoder> rfc?
[20:19:58] <sysmonk> seekwill: eh, what standards ? :P
[20:20:07] <sysmonk> i don't know anything bout rfc and standards!
[20:20:12] <xpoint> pickcoder, vista just uses 2 harddrives :-)
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[20:21:03] <lunaphyte_> standards are published so that you know what to do to piss other people off.
[20:21:24] <linkslice> i've got a few clients that have their own internal mailing lists cloggin up my queue, sometimes with as many as 5000 messages, what would be the best way to clear those out quickly? disable clam for localhost? second postfix instance?
[20:22:14] <devdas> linkslice: submit to the post clamav port directly?
[20:22:19] <pickcoder> brb
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[20:22:22] <linkslice> i've already got amavis in a ramdisk and have squeezed performance out of every pore, but it's not enough
[20:22:35] <linkslice> devdas, ... really?
[20:25:37] * cpm inserts his mailling list distribution post content filter, it's the only sane way. the original mail going -to- the mailing list get scanned, but that's all that's required. no reason to scan any more than that
[20:27:06] <seekwill> RFC2821, 6.1 :)
[20:27:23] <xpoint> cpm, yes drop text/html mail direct with mailman
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[20:29:30] <xpoint> others here seeing sourceforge.net dropping/removeing dkim signatures ?
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[20:29:54] <rob0> lunaphyte_: was this a joke? 18:16 < lunaphyte_> i keep my spool in ram.
[20:30:10] <dusty> Hey guys, I am curious what methods you guys use to give users of the mailserver the ability to change their own passwords ? (I have a basic virtual user/domain postfix / dovecot / mysql setup) ?
[20:30:40] <lunaphyte_> rob0: yes. so was the one about using swap for the ram disk.
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[20:30:59] * devdas is considering spooling to a ramdisk
[20:31:00] <xpoint> dusty, postfixadmin
[20:32:04] <seekwill> Anyways, just wondering if anyone had any experience with various filesystems for high volume stuff
[20:32:21] <devdas> seekwill: ext2
[20:32:26] <devdas> or xfs
[20:32:27] <seekwill> Yeah, that's what we're using now
[20:33:02] <seekwill> Is xfs available in RHEL?
[20:34:10] <xpoint> if one builds a fuse fs to run postfix spool on ramdisk it could be nice, as long as it saves the ramdisk to disk when shourt down
[20:34:28] <cpm> what the heck is 'high volume' stuff?
[20:34:42] <xpoint> but there is a big but, ramdisk needs to be huge
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[20:35:25] * cpm played with xfs a lot before backing off to ext3 at the end of the day, saw no demonstrable advantage to xfs on linux
[20:35:33] <xpoint> cpm, i dont know, newer being there :-)
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[20:35:38] <sysmonk> zfs ftw
[20:35:39] <sysmonk> ;P
[20:35:43] <seekwill> How about using RAID?
[20:35:52] <cpm> ext3 mounted no atime was fast enough on the raid10
[20:35:55] <sysmonk> seekwill: who do you want to raid?!
[20:36:00] <cpm> fast never hurt
[20:36:01] <cpm> :)
[20:36:13] <seekwill> cpm: Not sure if you need the journaling with ext3, which is why we were on ext2
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[20:36:35] <seekwill> cpm: What was your block size for the RAID10?
[20:38:33] <seekwill> I've noticed a majority of messages being less than 64KB. So I think if I set it to that, most of the messages will have the complete message on one disk, saving some seeks
[20:39:07] <devdas> limiting you to a single spindle
[20:39:22] <sysmonk> devdas: :P
[20:39:58] <seekwill> Per message
[20:40:37] <seekwill> I was hoping by using a RAID0, two messages could be read off at the same time.
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[20:43:17] <Dominian> er.. what?
[20:43:45] <Dominian> RAID0 means nothing more than have multiple disks being used as one "virtual" volume.. that's it...
[20:44:07] <seekwill> Kinda...
[20:44:17] <seekwill> RAID0 is a striped array
[20:44:21] <seekwill> It's not a span
[20:44:22] <Dominian> uhh
[20:44:29] <Dominian> you lose one disk you lose everything
[20:44:34] <Dominian> striped or not
[20:44:44] <Dominian> raid0 is good for speed
[20:44:45] <jellis-real> raid0 - the 0 stands for how much data you will have after a disk crash. :P
[20:44:47] <Dominian> that's about it
[20:44:51] <seekwill> ...
[20:44:52] <Dominian> jellis-real: exactly
[20:44:58] <seekwill> It's a RAID10...
[20:45:42] <seekwill> RAID0 is good for some types of speed.
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[20:46:23] <jellis-real> i raid raid0; guess it was a typo.
[20:46:28] <jellis-real> read* even.
[20:46:29] <Dominian> raid10 m akes more sense
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[20:46:56] <seekwill> I'm talking about the RAID0 aspect of what I'm trying to accomplish. RAID10 or RAID0 doesn't change my question, does it?
[20:47:10] <Dominian> Sure it does.. at least now we know you won't lose data
[20:47:17] <seekwill> I'm not worried about the data
[20:47:17] <Dominian> and its either RAID10 or RAID0.. not both...
[20:48:56] <seekwill> Why can't it be both?
[20:49:19] <Dominian> what I mean is.. don't refer to your raid10 and the raid0 aspect seperately.. just confusing
[20:49:38] <seekwill> Ok, I'm sorry.
[20:49:54] <seekwill> I was hoping by using a RAID10, two messages could be read off at the same time.
[20:51:04] <Dominian> I'm sure they could
[20:51:18] <seekwill> Why?
[20:54:55] <cpm> umm, because all these oses that run this software are multi threaded?
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[20:56:19] <Strogg> 'lo 'lo
[20:57:14] <Strogg> Is there a command for postfix that's like flush, except it deletes all the email in the queue instead?  I'm browsing the man page and haven't found anything like it
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[20:57:47] <devdas> postsuper -d ALL
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[20:58:24] <Strogg> Aha. I was looking in the wrong spot.  awesome
[20:59:23] <Strogg> that seems to be doing the trick.  Thanks!
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[21:04:27] <dusty> xpoint, I could never get postfixadmin to work, it creates databases that don't coincide with my mailserver database
[21:04:59] <sysmonk> that the main reason why postfixadmin sucks
[21:05:58] <sysmonk> but but for end users it's allright
[21:05:59] <dusty> so it's not just me then ;)
[21:06:05] <dusty> how do i get it working then ?
[21:06:21] <dusty> I'd rather use the sql etc but i need users to be able to change their own passwords
[21:06:41] <sysmonk> doh, that's the only thing that doesn't coincide with you?!
[21:06:55] <sysmonk> write a damn small web form to do that
[21:07:02] <sysmonk> shoudn't be more than 15 minutes of work
[21:07:22] <sysmonk> which would include postfixadmin code analysis and reading 'how to code in php in 21 days'
[21:07:26] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:07:59] <dusty> lol
[21:08:21] <dusty> I don't want to do that, I don't trust myself, php and db coding.
[21:08:25] <dusty> I'll get pwned.
[21:08:28] <dusty> :-|
[21:08:35] <sysmonk> you're pwn3d anyway
[21:08:37] <sysmonk> so who cares?
[21:08:42] <dusty> ?
[21:08:50] <sysmonk> see, pwn3d!
[21:08:51] <sysmonk> ;)))
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[21:09:01] <dusty> lay off the crack
[21:09:08] <sysmonk> heh
[21:09:22] <qdot> hi!
[21:09:29] <sysmonk> dusty: i mean really, if that's the biggest problem you see - write it
[21:09:37] <sysmonk> or pay someody to write it for you
[21:09:48] <dusty> I'm lost how we got onto coding my own.
[21:09:55] <sysmonk> (IF postfixadmin doesn't include that functionality already)
[21:09:57] <dusty> How can I get postfixadmi working ?
[21:09:57] <qdot> I'm wondering if it's possible to redirect certain mail traffic to a different SMTP daemon running on the server?
[21:10:02] <xpoint> postfixadmin works for me and my users, maybe just me :-)
[21:10:09] <sysmonk> dusty: it is working.
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[21:10:14] <dusty> No, i'm not saying that, I said I had trouble getting it to work.
[21:10:17] <sysmonk> i didn't see the exact prolem description
[21:10:29] <dusty> Well, it creates the wrong tables.
[21:10:35] <dusty> so the data doesn't correlate
[21:10:40] <dusty> im not sure how to get it working
[21:10:42] <sysmonk> define 'wrong tables'
[21:10:45] <qdot> basically I want postfix to act as a reverse proxy, relaying messages to different processes running locally
[21:11:05] <sysmonk> qdot: not on tcp level, but you can do that with transport_maps
[21:11:22] <sysmonk> !relay
[21:11:23] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[21:11:27] <sysmonk> !basic
[21:11:28] <knoba> sysmonk: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:11:32] <sysmonk> i think basic had some info on that
[21:11:33] <dusty> well it creates a bunch of tables in my mailserver database they don't correlate with the mailservers tables so it gets no information
[21:11:33] <xpoint> let it create the wrong tables, and make the even more wroung maps to get it to work with the even more bad sendmail :-)
[21:11:53] <sysmonk> dusty: with your CURRENT database?
[21:12:03] <dusty> yes
[21:12:08] <sysmonk> it doesn't work that way...
[21:12:11] <dusty> ah
[21:12:20] <sysmonk> you'll have to import your stuff to postfixadmin database
[21:12:22] <dusty> So, i'm guessing it has to be on a fresh mailserver install ?
[21:12:23] <dusty> oh
[21:12:25] <dusty> hrm
[21:12:28] <sysmonk> or convert postfixadmin app to use your database
[21:12:33] <dusty> gotcha
[21:12:39] <dusty> maybe i'll take another look
[21:12:40] <dusty> thanks
[21:12:44] <sysmonk> but i think it'll be a looot easier to do the first part ( import your database to postfixadmin)
[21:12:51] <dusty> yeah
[21:12:59] <dusty> i think i'll opt for that
[21:13:06] <sysmonk> dusty: fresh/not fresh doesn't matter, but it would have to match postfixadmin's database structure
[21:13:08] <dusty> is there a script that does it for me or do I have to do it manually?
[21:13:25] <sysmonk> dusty: fully manually as it's up to you how you created the current database
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[21:13:41] <sysmonk> that is, you can screpit it, but only you know the current database layout
[21:13:45] <xpoint> dusty, setup postfixadmin from fresh, when db is working, you move all domains to it, and get custom maps done to the rest of your software
[21:13:49] <dusty> ok
[21:14:36] <dusty> xpoint, so this is the theory: import data from old tables to postfixadmins new tables, then edit main.cf and create the maps to the new databases ?
[21:14:47] <xpoint> want a bigger problem ?, then try openvisp :-=
[21:14:56] <dusty> ?
[21:16:03] <xpoint> no import, create account in webui, most data is special in postfixadmin if you have custem needs make this in maps
[21:16:33] <dusty> so i dont need to remap ?
[21:16:40] <dusty> e.g. from main.cf to the new tables ?
[21:17:08] <xpoint> the map files need to change, but main.cf does not change
[21:17:34] <dusty> oh yeah the info is in the map files
[21:17:38] <dusty> thats what i meant
[21:17:39] <dusty> ;)
[21:17:47] <dusty> thanks for clarifying that guys
[21:18:08] <xpoint> once i have both postgresql and mysql on my postfix, both with postfixadmin but diff domains :-)
[21:18:22] <dusty> did you see a performance difference ?
[21:18:34] <dusty> any reason to have postgres over mysql ?
[21:18:53] <xpoint> you ask to much :-)
[21:19:14] <dusty> heh
[21:19:21] <dusty> It's good to ask questions.
[21:19:48] <xpoint> install and ask if you get problems following readme in postfixadmin
[21:20:01] <dusty> Yeah I will do.  Thanks for the help.
[21:20:01] <qdot> thanks! that solves the question, thou the manual could be a little more explicit about smtp:hostname:port syntax
[21:20:21] <sysmonk> qdot: its transport:hostname:port
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[22:00:58] <lptr> http://rafb.net/p/Hwx7pK29.nln.html
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[22:01:32] <lptr> Having a tricky problem with my current postfix setup, I would appreciate any input..
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[22:07:54] <rob0> grr, I hate pastebins which expect me to scroll laterally.
[22:08:25] <seekwill> But is it better than having it wrap?
[22:08:26] <pickcoder> scrolling is overrated
[22:08:42] <pickcoder> I think they should expect everyone to buy 42" monitors
[22:09:09] <seekwill> I use a 1pt fount
[22:09:11] <seekwill> font
[22:09:20] <rob0> I have a 19" and 22" ... darn near 42" but not quite.
[22:09:44] <rob0> when I maximize I only get the 19" or the 22"
[22:10:17] <pickcoder> sounds like a WM issue
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[22:19:05] <rob0> Anyway, it's hard to figure what the question is. In one try, a munged relay bounced mail for a munged recipient. 00:03:19 later, the same host (qmail, it is) accepted mail for the same recipient.
[22:20:02] <sysmonk> rob0: the solution is ... i give you my addie and you send me your 22" one
[22:20:14] <sysmonk> then i go and kick the postmasters runing qmail a$$ :)
[22:20:19] <sysmonk> problem solved
[22:20:50] <sysmonk> happy bind-updating day! :)
[22:20:57] <rob0> agreed. Just send me your bank account number tho, I will transfer the funds for a new monitor.
[22:21:21] <sysmonk> rob0: you'll need my social sec # and my mothers maiden name?
[22:21:25] <sysmonk> or do you know that already
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[22:22:44] <rob0> silly, you can't fool me, I know you're in .LT
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[22:23:33] <sysmonk> rob0: are you sure about that?
[22:23:45] <sysmonk> rob0: it's really IT not LT, you need new glasses
[22:23:51] * pickcoder prints the pastebin to 1-char high ticker tape and mails it to rob0
[22:23:53] <sysmonk> and i'm in IT because i'm visiting my grandma
[22:24:00] <sysmonk> i'm really living in USA
[22:24:18] <rob0> You're an IT guy in LT, yes, I knew all that
[22:24:28] <rob0> do svidanya
[22:24:38] <rob0> doe svidanya
[22:24:54] <rob0> doe svidanya tovarishch
[22:24:58] <sysmonk> first one was best
[22:25:14] <sysmonk> that is, you don't need 'e' in 'doe'
[22:25:23] <rob0> yes but English speakers might see it like the English word "do"
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[22:25:38] <rob0> whereas the english word "doe" is perfect
[22:25:43] <sysmonk> what english speakers? i don't see any out here!
[22:25:49] <rob0> oh, good point
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[22:38:34] <lptr> hehe, kinda hard to follow my paste, let's try a simplified not so scrambled one:
[22:38:37] <lptr> http://rafb.net/p/FVMRtq35.html
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[23:10:02] <grille> hey, is someone available ?
[23:10:38] <grille> i have a php script to handle my vacation mails an added a line to master.cf
[23:11:13] <grille> autoreply  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[23:11:13] <grille>         flags=Rq user=filter argv=/etc/postfix/openvacation $recipient $sender
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[23:12:03] <grille> the script is calles up, but will be not processed. it hangs in ps aux, called by user filter
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[23:13:08] <grille> when i call it with su - filter -c /etc/postfix/openvacation recipient at mydomain dot tld sender at web dot de  it works fine
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[23:24:21] <serialthrilla> are you in a chroot?
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[23:29:12] <grille> hmm, good question .. is the default ubuntu postfix ..
[23:29:59] <grille> i think, its not allowed to use php
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[23:30:58] <serialthrilla> i'm not familiar with that default install but it sounds plausible
[23:33:30] <grille> i will try any more ... but now its time to go to bed
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