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[01:58:08] <ultra> Hi all, I'm underneath my port-25-outbound-blocking ISP and trying to run a mail server, I tried setting up relayhost for my ISP's mail server only to find they don't take mail from addresses that aren't theirs, anyone have ideas/a different work around?
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[01:59:18] <lunaphyte> get a new isp?  pay them for "business service" so they'll leave you alone?
[01:59:24] <lunaphyte> run a mail server somewhere else?
[01:59:50] <ultra> ok, all options, any better ones? I'm even willing to pay someplace to relay mail for me?
[02:00:16] <ultra> are there any services that do that?
[02:00:26] <ultra> I tried googling but couldn't find anything
[02:02:17] <adaptr> there are tons of places that will do that
[02:02:33] <adaptr> but if you have a domain, google for domains does that all FOR FREE
[02:02:41] <lunaphyte> imho, the "best" option is to contact your isp, tell them that that behavior isn't acceptable, and leave if they don't change. beyond that, there are plenty of other companies who are willing to provide the service you ask for.
[02:02:53] <adaptr> lunaphyte++ # indeed
[02:03:31] <ultra> lunaphyte: alas, it's my parent's choice of ISP, in a year or so when I move out I'd for sure do that
[02:04:04] <lunaphyte> can you afford to pay the bill for internet service atm?
[02:04:43] <ultra> not in it's entirety, and there's not too many options for other ISPs locally anyways, the only other big one we were already on had similar issues
[02:05:02] <ultra> I don't wanna use google for domains, all I need is a relay host not full mail hosting
[02:05:16] <ultra> adaptr: do you know of any services that I could just use to relay mail?
[02:05:39] <adaptr> ultra: relay hosts are picky, what with spam and all
[02:05:42] <ultra> I tried using my random cpanel webhosting but it also blocks any addresses not manually added to it
[02:05:51] <adaptr> seriously, get a mail host or get a halfway decent ISP
[02:05:54] <lunaphyte> well, like adaptr said, there are plenty out there.  maybe your web search could benefit form some tuning.
[02:06:09] <rob0> The question has come up here before, and no, I don't know of anything like that.
[02:06:10] <lunaphyte> or go buy hosting from someone.
[02:07:00] <rob0> You might find a VPS for US$5-10/month.
[02:07:04] <ultra> I know
[02:07:20] <ultra> but... all I'm looking for is a plain relay host, if there's nothing like that then I know my options :(
[02:07:26] <rob0> was it you asking a week or 2 ago?
[02:07:30] <ultra> nope
[02:07:45] <adaptr> ultra: there is no such thing as a "plain" relay host
[02:08:01] <adaptr> if you need that explained I strongly suggest you do not run a public MTA
[02:08:27] <ultra> well, I mean something that'll just take mail from my IP and send it, ignoring who the fuck sent it
[02:08:40] <adaptr> yes, we tend to call that "spam"
[02:08:48] <adaptr> (and so does the relay)
[02:08:49] <rob0> haha
[02:08:57] <ultra> but if it's limited to just my IP it's a relay host :P
[02:09:03] <adaptr> irrelevant
[02:09:12] <rob0> IOW the ISP only lets you relay with one of their addresses.
[02:09:13] <adaptr> you could easily be compromised
[02:09:25] <adaptr> hell, I could compromise you :D
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[02:09:29] <planofish> hi
[02:09:38] <snadge> why not use smtp auth with ssl
[02:10:06] <ultra> snadge: cause my ISP's mail server still rejects it? it checks what the From address is against it's own list
[02:10:19] <ultra> and damn, my random cpanel webhost does the same thing
[02:10:22] <ultra> :/
[02:11:04] <planofish> well i see email coming through, but it didn't deliver it.. only one line change in configuration ( removed relayhost = mail.comcast.net )
[02:11:10] <planofish> email was received, but not delivered
[02:11:15] <planofish> any ideas whats going on?
[02:11:39] <ultra> planofish: it's now not relaying your email and your isp blocks port 25 :P
[02:12:00] <ultra> ironic... I guess this is common
[02:12:00] <planofish> sent an email to myself from yahoo to my server, domain is pointing to my static IP
[02:12:05] <rob0> WWRD? RWRTFL.
[02:12:20] <planofish> i see yahoo connecting, and delivering email
[02:12:45] <planofish> but when i check , my linux host does not show new email in mutt
[02:12:50] <rob0> ok, you see this in logs, right? So far so good.
[02:13:28] <planofish> yes
[02:13:35] <rob0> I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is Debian or derivative.
[02:13:51] <planofish> the mail is stuck on my machine
[02:14:05] <planofish> between postfix/mailscanner/av-scanner
[02:14:12] <ultra> so, assuming i become pathetic and switch to google for domains, can I relay off them?
[02:14:31] <ultra> shit no I can't I need to auth and then it'll only take mail from the authenticated user
[02:14:54] <planofish> so any ideas
[02:15:07] <ultra> well, I guess I'll just add all the local users who get to send mail to my cpanel web hosting and relay off that
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[02:15:33] <rob0> I've seen that a lot of folks in your position are relaying through gmail. But there are rumblings in the antispam world, gmail is becoming a major spam source, and they'll end up getting blocked.
[02:15:40] <planofish> it's sitting in /hold/ directory .. i think mailscanner is not picking it up
[02:16:16] <adaptr> if yo implemented mailscanner by its old, old /hold/ hack, then yes
[02:16:24] <snadge> is it better performance to run spamassassin by itself.. or from amavisd-new?
[02:16:25] <rob0> Okay, since mailscanner use is not recommended with Postfix, you're not likely to find mailscanner help here.
[02:16:40] <adaptr> rob0: for old, old versions of postfix  - and mailscanner
[02:16:45] <rob0> snadge, probably from amavisd-new.
[02:16:52] <adaptr> unless you can give me MODERN reasons not to use it :)
[02:17:15] <adaptr> snadge: by itself, you have to use procmail to access it - an extra layer
[02:17:22] <planofish> rob0: i don't relay it through them.. since reverse lookup is not pointing to the forward lookup, i only relay it through my ISP's email server
[02:17:41] <snadge> yeah but.. amavis seems to add an extra layer to it anyway
[02:17:46] <adaptr> planofish: reverse lookup does not HAVE to point to the forward
[02:17:58] <adaptr> snadge: true, but it's C, and it also does clamav
[02:18:00] <snadge> ie.. it bounces through a weird port number, then gets delivereed BACK to postfix
[02:18:06] <adaptr> it';s plenty fast enough for me
[02:18:11] <planofish> adaptr: typo .. i mean does not MATCH
[02:18:24] <adaptr> planofish: it does not have to
[02:18:31] <adaptr> nothing in the RFCs require it
[02:18:36] <adaptr> +s
[02:18:42] <snadge> ok sure, the reason i ask is that amavis seems to scrub off the spamassassin headers by default
[02:18:50] <planofish> i am using postfix 2.x god knows which version of mailscanner
[02:19:11] <planofish> adaptr: i did not know that
[02:19:53] <adaptr> planofish: the one requirement which all mail servers enforce is that the connecting address is an A record for the HELO name given
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[02:20:06] <rob0> snadge needs to understand that amavisd-new invokes SA as perl modules in the single, running perl process.
[02:20:07] <adaptr> postfix lets you choose, but you always should
[02:20:18] <adaptr> rob0: it does ? no spamc/d ?
[02:20:23] <adaptr> that's odd
[02:20:30] <adaptr> spamc would be muchly fasterism
[02:20:41] <rob0> why?
[02:20:46] <snadge> rob0: how is this better performance than using procmail to run spamc?
[02:20:51] <adaptr> erm.. because it's NOT perl ?
[02:20:54] <rob0> Either way you have a perl daemon running.
[02:21:17] <adaptr> get oot! spamc/d are coded in C
[02:21:34] <adaptr> there's nothing perl aboot either
[02:22:07] <lunaphyte> RWRTFL?!  ha!
[02:22:13] <snadge> and spamc doesnt strip your spamassassin headers off, and it doesnt add 2 received: layers to your mail
[02:22:52] <planofish> sec
[02:22:52] <planofish> checking
[02:24:12] <lunaphyte> cmon, don't tell me i'm the only one who got that?
[02:25:09] <rob0> Guess so.
[02:25:42] <rob0> WWWD? WW!debug
[02:30:50] <ultra> what exactly does RWRTFL mean?
[02:31:02] <lunaphyte> uh oh.
[02:33:25] <Captain> anybody knows how to send ALL (include local mails) over an mailhub?
[02:33:50] <Captain> only relayhost dont work :/
[02:33:54] <rob0> !standard
[02:33:56] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[02:34:13] <rob0> ultra: 00:12 < rob0> WWRD? RWRTFL.
[02:34:32] <sahil> eh?
[02:34:33] <rob0> a play on "WWJD" and "RTFM"
[02:34:37] <sahil> cute.
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[02:49:00] <planofish> ok now
[02:49:03] <planofish> adaptr: i am trying to backtrace why mailscanner is not starting
[02:50:38] <planofish> there was another startup script in /etc/init.d/ that was newer then the one i was using so instead of renamaming current one and new one to swap place, i removed old one
[02:50:42] <planofish> and this new one won't work now
[02:50:46] * planofish bangs her head
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[04:39:17] <EoN> hey guys i've started getting mails bounced with this message: <brad at example dot org>: host mx2.example.org[216.15.111.222] said: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[04:39:24] <EoN> could anyone tell me what might be causing this?
[04:39:41] <mwalling> yeah, you're sending mail to a host thats fubared
[04:40:14] <EoN> so its the recipient end thats the problem?
[04:40:22] <EoN> or my smtp end? heh
[04:40:32] <mwalling>  <brad at example dot org>: host
[04:40:33] <mwalling>              mx2.example.org[216.15.111.222] said:
[04:40:50] <mwalling> translated: someone else told me this message, which i am passing back to you
[04:41:08] <EoN> ahh ok
[04:41:30] <mwalling> mind deobsfcating it so we can test it?
[04:41:51] <EoN> host mx2.myriadnetwork.com[216.15.195.254] said: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[04:42:17] <mwalling> whats the recipient? (even just the domain, they should have a postmaster@ address)
[04:42:21] <EoN> ok
[04:42:28] <EoN> @worldmusic.net
[04:42:50] <mwalling> mwalling@you ~$ host worldmusic.net
[04:42:50] <mwalling> worldmusic.net mail is handled by 1 mail.worldmusic.net.
[04:42:51] <mwalling> worldmusic.net mail is handled by 5 mx2.myriadnetwork.com.
[04:43:15] <mwalling> looks like the primary is down
[04:43:20] <EoN> ahhhh
[04:44:15] <mwalling> 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
[04:44:27] <mwalling> yup, youre doing nothing wrong
[04:44:42] <mwalling> looks like someone specified a backup mx of a mx that doesnt know theyre a backup mx
[04:44:49] <mwalling> (if that makes any sense)
[04:44:50] <EoN> ahhh that's fantastic! thanks mwalling :)  best news i've heard all day
[04:44:51] <EoN> haha
[04:44:57] <EoN> yeah it does
[04:45:16] <mwalling> when that site comes back online, smite them with a cluebat whydontcha
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[04:52:39] <Rockj> Hum, anyone know if its difficult to get Spam Cannibal to respond?
[04:54:25] <Rockj> Where we have our server, some other customor at same /24 network have had an open relay sometime, and because of that - it seems they have blocked the whole subnet due to their "generic PTR" record policy that all customors get when they don't set a PTR-record.
[04:59:58] <rob0> EoN, that is a qmail rejection message.
[05:01:08] <mwalling> rob0: i liked my diagnosus tyvm
[05:02:07] <serialthrilla> i wish i could be a backup of something i didn't know i was a backup of.... maybe FBI HRT...
[05:02:19] <rob0> Sure, clueless and qmail have been known to go together quite a bit. :)
[05:02:39] * rob0 sets MX for hotmail.com. to point to serialthrilla
[05:02:55] <serialthrilla> *nom nom nom*
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[05:06:59] <EoN> my business partner is talking about setting up a free blacklist monitoring service like at -> http://mxtoolbox.com/services_servermonitoring.aspx
[05:07:11] <EoN> my first reaction is, terrible idea, sounds dodgy, i dont like it
[05:07:23] <EoN> is that paranoia?  should i be using a service like this?
[05:07:49] <mwalling> black list monitering? like checking if your ip is on rbls?
[05:08:02] <mwalling> sounds like snake oil
[05:10:26] <EoN> yeah exactly
[05:10:31] <EoN> thats my gut feeling
[05:10:42] <EoN> if your ip is going to go on a blacklist, you'll find out about it when the email bounces anyway
[05:11:03] <mwalling> not exactly hard to code, but i wonder about the crowd it would attract
[05:11:22] <mwalling> (see earlier example of clueless admins for what i mean)
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[05:13:17] <rob0> Don't send spam, and you won't get on any blacklist worth using.
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[05:14:07] <rob0> If you screw up and you're used for spew, fix the problem ASAP, and you'll drop off any blacklist worth using.
[05:14:41] <mwalling> what he said
[05:14:45] <rob0> Sounds like the business partner has listened to anti-DNSBL FUD.
[05:15:08] <mwalling> EoN: your partner like qmail?
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[05:53:18] <snadge> anyone know how to test pyzor is working properly?
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[06:02:32] <snadge> opensuse sucks
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[06:17:44] <xpoint> snadge, it works when one have a pyzord running in 127.0.0.1
[06:19:05] <snadge> cheers xpoint.. i was starting to go insane
[06:19:20] <snadge> rather than say "theres no pyzord running" it instead spews out some meaningless error
[06:19:59] <xpoint> this is remote servers does not exists or is overloaded
[06:20:44] <snadge> hmm, still same error
[06:20:59] <snadge> raise TypeError
[06:25:46] <snadge> i take it pyzor is no longer actively developed?
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[07:09:48] <xpoint> snadge, but pyzor and pyzord works fine here
[07:11:04] <xpoint> snadge, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=216374 here is my work
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[07:13:35] <xpoint> snadge, and yes read more on pyzor maillist about it, talks about server to server digest exchanges, its just when and how
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[07:42:13] <snadge> i figured out the problem i was having
[07:42:27] <snadge> it seems redhat and debian have patched pyzor 0.4.0 to fix the problem
[07:42:40] <snadge> but the fix hasnt been included in upstream, and opensuse doesnt have it
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[07:43:04] <snadge> my solution was to copy the file client.py from debian
[07:45:25] <snadge> my next challenge is to get DCC working, and theres zero opensuse packages for that
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[09:03:35] <snadge> spam assassin is my bitch now ;)
[09:04:09] <snadge> just scored an email at 26.4 hehe
[09:05:13] <jeev> heh
[09:07:15] <snadge> not very impressed with opensuse either
[09:07:39] <snadge> at least with regards to pyzor and dcc.. fail
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[09:09:37] <linderox> i have a problem...  i don't know what to do because I have read a lot of manuals,but smtp on postfix doesn't work for my local users,but it works to send from users to the internet
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[09:12:05] <f3ew> uh?
[09:12:06] <f3ew> Logs?
[09:13:13] <linderox> few seconds
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[09:18:40] <linderox> http://pastebin.org/49254
[09:18:54] <linderox> here is my config main.cf and logs
[09:19:42] <linderox> i use simple plain text  smtp authentification... and ~/.maildir for receiving letters
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[09:22:03] <f3ew> #
[09:22:04] <f3ew> Jul  7 15:16:41 [postfix/pipe] F301D18CF11: to=<sypkov at vodoline dot com>, relay=dove
[09:22:04] <f3ew> #
[09:22:04] <f3ew> cot, delay=0.98, delays=0.03/0.03/0/0.92, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknow
[09:22:04] <f3ew> #
[09:22:04] <f3ew> n)
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[09:22:13] <f3ew> That's a Dovecot config issue
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[09:27:19] <linderox> f3ew: what should i do?
[09:29:03] <f3ew> linderox, get deliver to see your users
[09:29:07] <f3ew> #dovecot
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[09:30:28] <linderox> f3ew: I disagree with you... i think it is smtp...because letter didn't fall to the maildir (((
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[09:31:13] <linderox> "get deliver to see your users" -- sorry don't undestand what you wanted to say 4 mr
[09:31:15] <linderox> me
[09:32:16] <f3ew> linderox, you are handing mail off to the Dovecot deliver process to deliver mail to your maildir
[09:33:43] <linderox> f3ew: can you help me with dovecot?
[09:33:55] * f3ew doesn't know Dovecot
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[09:44:17] <Selenos> can i configure postfix to handle two domains? (example.org and foo.com)
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[09:47:09] <f3ew> yes
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[09:47:19] <jduggan> virtual_mailbox_domains or mydestination
[09:47:31] <jduggan> !virtual
[09:47:31] <knoba> jduggan: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[09:47:43] <jduggan> ^ Selenos
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[09:54:22] <FerranZzZz> hello, i have permit_sasl_authenticated in smtpd_recipient_restrictions, but... how can i deny a specific user to sending mail?
[09:54:42] <jpalmer> cancel their account.
[09:54:50] <jduggan> change their password
[09:55:18] <jduggan> or if you lookup the user via sql, add a 'suspended' column and check suspension in your lookup statement
[09:56:40] <FerranZzZz> ok, thanks
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[11:38:26] <Tardalicious> Hi everyone. I switched from using mbox to mdir earlier, and now i can send out emails, and can send emails within the domain, but cannot get emails anymore from anything outside of my local system
[11:39:36] <Tardalicious> I'm not sure what I screwed up, I just wanted it so the emails show up in /website_dir/user/new  and not in /var/mail/user
[11:41:12] <f3ew> home_mailbox?
[11:42:06] <Tardalicious> what do you mean?
[11:42:13] <Tardalicious> i'm kind of a noob with this : /
[11:42:39] <Tardalicious> http://pastebin.com/d3fa3fded is my postconf -n
[11:45:46] <Roobarb> !home_mailbox
[11:45:47] <knoba> Roobarb: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[11:46:07] <Roobarb> eg:   home_mailbox = Maildir/
[11:46:18] <Roobarb> gives you /home/roobarb/Maildir/
[11:46:32] <Tardalicious> ohhhhh! crap lemme check my main.cf file real quick
[11:47:11] <Tardalicious> in main.cf: home_mailbox = Maildir/
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[11:48:23] <Tardalicious> right, so when i send mail from within the domain, i can get it in the right directories, e.g. /Maildir/new | cur | tmp
[11:49:05] <Tardalicious> and i can send out email using sendmail although i think that's irrelevant, i just can't seem to get email from outside and i'm not sure how to see where it's going wrong
[11:50:04] <f3ew> logs?
[11:50:51] <Tardalicious> in /var/logs/mail.log it's not showing anything for incoming from outside, but it shows logs when i login to the webmail client
[11:51:19] <Tardalicious> one sec i'll pastebin /var/logs/mail.log
[11:52:11] <Roobarb> !mynetworks
[11:52:12] <knoba> Roobarb: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[11:52:46] <Roobarb> or rather
[11:52:47] <Roobarb> !inet_interfaces
[11:52:48] <knoba> Roobarb: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[11:54:31] <Tardalicious> dang, my log post in pastebin made pastebin error: Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved
[11:54:47] <Tardalicious> that was the message I got from pastebin...
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[11:56:24] <Tardalicious> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.1.100
[11:57:03] <Tardalicious> and inet_interfaces = all
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[11:57:30] <f3ew> rafb.net/paste
[11:57:47] <Tardalicious> f3ew: thanks, i'll repaste my log
[11:58:56] <Tardalicious> http://rafb.net/p/1oJAMC63.html
[11:59:33] <Tardalicious> i'm not sure what's going on, it seems like it's delivering, the login messages are coming from me logging in and out of a web email interface for it
[11:59:37] <ivh> hi. I run postfix on a server and it accepts/sends mails for several domain names. No mysql, just local users and aliases before the @. Restricitve recipients of my mails now block me because of the "Helo". For example I get "Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname". Can someone please hint me towards fixing my "helo", whatever that may be? :)
[12:00:05] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: any particular reason why you're deliveing everything to procmail?
[12:00:23] <Tardalicious> I was curious about that too, why does that happen?
[12:00:48] <Roobarb> ivh: set "myhostname" correctly in main.cf
[12:01:13] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: because its configured to...   comment out "mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail" in main.cf
[12:01:27] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: Doing it now
[12:02:43] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: currently that line is blank... mailbox_command =
[12:03:04] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: should I comment it out anyways?
[12:03:30] <ivh> Roobarb: Thanks. Will the helo be OK if I send mails from the other domains which are not the main hostname?
[12:03:41] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: what does "postconf -n | grep mailbox_command" say?
[12:04:06] <Roobarb> ivh: depends how strict the remote end is being, but generally yes
[12:04:34] <Roobarb> ivh: $myhostname has to be fully-qualified, exist in DNS and point to the IP you're using
[12:04:57] <ivh> Roobarb: ic, thanks!
[12:05:01] <Roobarb> it doesn't necessatially have to match the domain you're sending from (and it won't in the case of a relay)
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[12:05:35] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: postconf -n | grep mailbox_command doesn't say anything, since i just commented it out and restarted postfix
[12:05:56] <Roobarb> ok, well try sending a mail again
[12:06:29] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: k one min, i've been able to send mails though, just not receive them from outside, i'll try all my tests though again to see
[12:06:46] <Roobarb> well just send a mail from an external account to start with
[12:07:39] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: k done, just sent from gmail to my email on the box
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[12:09:40] <Tardalicious> okay i also just sent an email from me to gmail and the logs show it sent, but nothing in the logs yet about incoming
[12:10:37] <Tardalicious> I have the email that I just sent out to gmail, but no email incoming
[12:11:04] <Roobarb> do you have a firewall anywhere?
[12:12:56] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: Yes, but all the ports are still open as they were when I was using mbox and was getting the emails to /var/mail/username, does it use a different port using Maildir?
[12:13:04] <Roobarb> no
[12:13:35] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: But it is weird that I'm not even getting a log of an incoming attempt from gmail in /var/log/mail.log when the outgoing was logged just fine
[12:14:48] <Roobarb> I don't think changing from mbox to Maildir is at all related to this issue
[12:16:03] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: well that's when i stopped receiving email, although i wasn't exactly sure how to change from mbox to Maildir perfectly either
[12:16:30] <Roobarb> whats the public IP Address of your mail server?
[12:16:39] <Roobarb> I'll see if I can connect to it from here
[12:16:39] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: although mb2md worked well to move old emails
[12:16:43] <Tardalicious> k thanks
[12:16:57] <Tardalicious> 69.109.46.146
[12:17:15] <Roobarb> 220 server1.safetytg.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
[12:17:17] <Roobarb> yes?
[12:17:19] <Tardalicious> yep
[12:17:33] <Roobarb> you should see a connect in your logs
[12:17:39] <Tardalicious> 1 sec i'll check
[12:18:08] <Tardalicious> connect from host81-138-16-69.in-addr.btopenworld.com[81.138.16.69]
[12:18:33] <Roobarb> thats me
[12:19:02] <Tardalicious> so in a perfect world incoming is sort of working
[12:20:15] <Roobarb> you should have an email to root at server1 dot safetytg.com, id 8EE01180C0C1
[12:20:23] <Roobarb> did that go anywhere sensible?
[12:20:39] <Tardalicious> yeah lemme check
[12:21:53] <Tardalicious> hmmm... actually I'm not sure where that's supposed to go now
[12:22:00] <Tardalicious> that used to go to /var/mail/nobody
[12:22:31] <Roobarb> it should say where it delivered it to
[12:22:45] <Tardalicious> in the log?
[12:22:48] <Roobarb> yes
[12:22:50] <Tardalicious> k
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[12:23:17] <Roobarb> whats the actual domain you host on that server, since safetytg.com doesn't seem to have any DNS entries
[12:23:41] <Tardalicious> safetytg.com
[12:23:46] <Tardalicious> 8EE01180C0C1: to=<root at server1 dot safetytg.com>, relay=local, delay=27, delays=27/0.02/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[12:24:19] <Tardalicious> ns1.safetytg.com is pointed to the same IP as the mail server
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[12:24:54] <Tardalicious> i'm still not sure where the email is going from looking at the log
[12:25:11] <Rowellen> Hi, how can I move maildirs from kolab to postfix? or should I be talking to kolab?
[12:25:53] <Roobarb> Rowellen: kolab uses postfix
[12:26:16] <Rowellen> sorry I know
[12:26:22] <Roobarb> Rowellen: you should be aule to use the same home_mailbox setting they do
[12:26:25] <Roobarb> *able
[12:26:48] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: no, I mean what domain would people be sending mail to in order for it to go to your server?
[12:27:11] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: ahhh, yes, safetytg.com
[12:27:28] <Roobarb> no MX record for that...
[12:27:36] <Roobarb> this may be part of your problem
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[12:28:37] <Tardalicious> hmmm, i did make some other crazy changes while setting up a webmail client, and had to make some dns changes for it, lemme check that out
[12:28:54] <Roobarb> ns1 is recursing, and ns2 is outright failing
[12:29:08] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: yeah it's the ghetto set up for sure :/
[12:29:34] <Roobarb> when you fix DNS, I suspect things will start woring from outside again
[12:30:06] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: yeah that has to be the problem, it definitely sounds like, i'll let you know in a few minutes when i add it, brb
[12:30:12] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: thanks too :)
[12:30:14] <Roobarb> ok
[12:31:44] <Roobarb> btw, I used http://www.squish.net/dnscheck/ and did an SOA check on your domain to see where it was failing
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[12:34:15] <Tardalicious> i just emailed myself that site, good call, should the mx record point to the external ip address?
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[12:35:02] <Roobarb> yes
[12:36:32] <Tardalicious> okay done, i'm gonna try to send some mails now
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[12:39:43] <Tardalicious> still not getting them though
[12:39:48] <Tardalicious> nothing in the logs
[12:39:52] <Roobarb> DNS does take a while to update
[12:39:57] <Tardalicious> true
[12:39:59] <Roobarb> days sometimes
[12:40:10] <Tardalicious> true
[12:40:56] <Roobarb> Squish is still saying ns1 is broken
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[12:42:19] <Roobarb> can you pastebin your named.conf and zone file?
[12:43:09] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: sure, one sec, and dang i just realized the dns is all screwed up, i don't notice it from inside the network since my hosts file is pointed directly to the internal ip :/ but i just noticed from my blackberry that the site is down too
[12:44:02] <Roobarb> this is one reason why we have custom dns generation scripts - it tells us when we're being stupid :)
[12:45:30] <Tardalicious> lol
[12:45:34] <Tardalicious> http://pastebin.com/dab3e806
[12:46:51] <Roobarb> can you pastebin pri.safetytg.com ?
[12:48:02] <Tardalicious> http://pastebin.com/d493d810c
[12:49:16] <Roobarb> you mind if I propose some corrections?
[12:49:32] <Tardalicious> not at all
[12:55:00] <Roobarb> http://pastebin.com/m3604e360
[12:55:07] <Roobarb> ok, I'd probably setup my DNS like that
[12:56:34] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: awesome, yours looks much better, not sure why I had ns pointed to www :/ , I'm gonna put that into the zone file and restart bind
[12:57:00] <Roobarb> hmm
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[12:57:26] <DanGer> hello guys, are you able to deliver an email to gerzo at rulez dot sk?
[12:57:33] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: wait
[12:57:40] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: I've missed womething
[12:58:15] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: http://pastebin.com/m7657783
[12:59:16] <Roobarb> 550 5.1.1 <gerzo at rulez dot sk>: Recipient address rejected: undeliverable address: unknown user: "gerzo at rulez dot sk"
[12:59:18] <Roobarb> DanGer: ^^
[13:00:20] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: lol k, i'll fix that
[13:01:04] <Roobarb> I forgot some dots :)
[13:01:24] <DanGer> Roobarb: now that's pretty interesting. I am able to deliver it from localhost and at least one remote host.
[13:01:49] <Roobarb> DanGer: I telneted into mailhub.rulez.sk
[13:01:54] <Roobarb> since thats the MX 10
[13:02:02] <DanGer> yes that's the correct way.
[13:02:30] <DanGer> http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7359/
[13:03:33] <DanGer> I am able to deliver from gmail as well
[13:03:46] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: I'll wait a bit since DNS does take a while to update. Thanks again. brb
[13:04:07] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: something still isn't right - I can't get an MX querying the server directly
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[13:05:04] <Tardalicious> I just restarted bind again, I actually missed another couple dots
[13:05:24] <Tardalicious> oh wait i have to up the serial # ... :/ brb
[13:05:52] <Tardalicious> okay
[13:06:31] <DanGer> any ideas what might be wrong/
[13:12:05] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: squish.net is showing improvement! i think now i gotta wait for the slaves to propagate, probably
[13:12:16] <Tardalicious> brb
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[13:16:06] <ndonegan> Hi, is there any ability in postfix to log to mysql? I'm already using mysql lookup tables all over the place, so I'm hoping that I can log there too. Not seeing any hints in the documentation.
[13:18:49] <Tardalicious> I think postfix logs to syslog service only
[13:19:09] <Tardalicious> you could write a script to dump it though, or use a daemon to do it i think
[13:19:17] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: ok, I can get a response for the smtp A record, but not an MX yet
[13:19:34] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: cool, it's like watching dns update in real time lol
[13:19:54] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: well I'm querying you server directly
[13:19:59] <ndonegan> Tardalicious: actually, I could get syslogng to pass to a perl or python script which gets what I need logged.
[13:20:10] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: oh .. that's not good
[13:21:05] <Tardalicious> ndonegan: yeah a script just dumping the text file into mysql should be pretty easy
[13:21:13] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: bah, I'm a plany
[13:21:16] <Roobarb> *plank
[13:22:06] <Tardalicious> plank?
[13:22:08] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: use this (and bump your serial)  http://pastebin.com/m3d853bd0
[13:22:11] <ndonegan> Tardalicious: you can tell syslogng to log stuff to multiple targets, normally it's just files, but it can be a script as well.
[13:22:35] <linderox> man... look here... whats the problem? http://pastebin.org/49298
[13:22:38] <ndonegan> Tardalicious: so rather than parsing the mail.log every few minutes, I should be able to log in realtime to mysql
[13:23:02] <Tardalicious> ndonegan: i think there's a php source project called php-syslog-ng which dumps everything into a web readable thing from mysql though
[13:23:19] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: doing it now
[13:23:44] <f3ew> ndonegan, syslog-ng is your friend
[13:23:47] <Roobarb> linderox: you haven't configured any authentication - its not being advertised in the EHLO response
[13:24:13] <f3ew> ISTR -ng being able to write directly to MySQL
[13:24:35] <linderox> Roobarb: ok can i use it without authentication?
[13:24:45] <Roobarb> linderox: of course
[13:24:52] <linderox> next i have a problem...
[13:25:02] <ndonegan> Tardalicious: I'm thinking more along the line of querying the database so I can easily check to see if someone is abusing our relay servers.
[13:25:29] <ndonegan> Tardalicious: I'm not a big fan of getting reports from spamhaus/sorbs etc.
[13:25:43] <linderox> http://pastebin.org/49300 here is
[13:26:10] <f3ew> ndonegan, in which case, it might be easier to use a policy daemon to log that data
[13:26:14] <f3ew> Or control the abuse
[13:26:18] <Roobarb> linderox: read the error and then read what you typed
[13:26:21] <f3ew> http://policyd.sf.net/
[13:26:37] <Roobarb> linderox: hint: you're missing a : character
[13:26:45] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: perfect
[13:27:04] <linderox> Roobarb: please look... this user exist... when i use my thunderbird... dovecot creates maildir and all of dir include maildir,but ... i can't send letter only to local user!!! to the internet it is go properly
[13:27:05] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: just restarted it
[13:27:16] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: as I see :)
[13:27:18] <taec> ndonegan: I wrote a policy daemon for a similar purpose recently
[13:27:23] <ndonegan> f3ew: hadn't come across policy demon before.
[13:27:28] <taec> ndonegan: you read/write python?
[13:27:49] <f3ew> taec policyd v12 does exactly what ndonegan needs
[13:27:56] <f3ew> v1
[13:28:03] <f3ew> v2 is interesting too
[13:28:10] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: lol, awesome squish.net likes this one :) i'll try to send myself some emails now
[13:28:16] <ndonegan> taec: getting there :) Wrote something for parsing snmp traps just for the sack of leaning python a few weks ago :)
[13:28:50] <ndonegan> f3ew: Throttle by IP address or netblock looks handy!!
[13:28:54] <f3ew> ndonegan, though if you need help, the author of cluebringer lurks in the other channel we share :P
[13:28:54] <Roobarb> linderox: you should see a new email in your logs
[13:29:08] <f3ew> ndonegan, IP address, netblock, or authenticated user ;)
[13:29:37] <ndonegan> f3ew: considering that some local ISPs use our relay setup, ip might be handy.
[13:29:50] <taec> ndonegan: where you working.. Blacknight?
[13:29:51] <f3ew> Yup
[13:29:56] <ndonegan> taec: yup
[13:30:05] <taec> :D
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[13:30:32] * taec is Digiweb.
[13:30:38] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: YOU RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:30:46] <ndonegan> taec: I won't hold that against you :p
[13:31:17] <Roobarb> linderox: please pastebin anything in your logs relating to message ID A3BCB9351C
[13:31:21] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: you're welcome :)
[13:31:33] <taec> Haha. Policy Daemon is the best way. Just make sure you configure it so that if the policy daemon fails (e.g. connection info wrong) it's not fatal.
[13:31:37] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: big thanks
[13:31:39] <Roobarb> Tardalicious: I assume they ended up in a Maildir too?
[13:31:41] <linderox> http://pastebin.org/49301
[13:31:45] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: yes
[13:31:49] <Roobarb> good stuff
[13:31:52] <linderox> user unkwown ((
[13:31:53] <f3ew> taec, you need it to be reachable
[13:32:01] <Tardalicious> Roobarb: and I can see them in my webmail client, everything is perfect
[13:32:03] <linderox> f3ew: look... please to my logs
[13:32:42] <Roobarb> linderox: does "sypkov" exist as a valid system user account ?
[13:32:54] * f3ew pokes ndonegan about other channnel
[13:33:06] <taec> f3ew: the policy daemon needs to be runnable, yes. The database etc. however does not. I know what ndonegan wants, I'm in the exact same business. There is no reason to stop relaying mail because someone changed a database password (or whatever).
[13:33:17] <linderox> Roobarb: yes! that's I... look the next log shows my connection from thunderbird to the server
[13:33:32] <DanGer> really, does anyone have an idea why it's impossible to deliver an email to gerzo at rulez dot sk from some hosts?
[13:33:59] <Tardalicious> DanGer: I'll try to send one too
[13:34:02] <taec> and at that, I run to lunch.
[13:34:07] <f3ew> taec, that's why you automate the process
[13:34:18] * f3ew is in the same business too
[13:34:29] <taec> f3ew: automate what business? the business of not failing is it?
[13:34:30] <linderox> Roobarb: any ideas?
[13:34:40] <linderox> Roobarb: i use /etc/passwd
[13:34:59] <Roobarb> linderox: please pastebin anything in your logs relating to message ID A3BCB9351C
[13:35:02] <f3ew> Large scale email
[13:35:05] <taec> f3ew: applications fail. If your database fails, that's no reason to stop relaying mail, much as the same way as if syslog is down, that's also no reason to stop relaying mail.
[13:35:11] <linderox> sypkov:x:1044:100:mail_user:/mail/users/sypkov:/bin/bash
[13:35:24] <f3ew> yup
[13:35:26] <DanGer> Tardalicious: matt at safet dot .. is that you? :)
[13:35:31] * f3ew -> meeting
[13:35:32] <taec> f3ew: glad we agree
[13:35:35] <taec> Lunchtime!
[13:35:37] <Tardalicious> DanGer: Yes it is
[13:35:48] <ndonegan> If the database cluster this is talking to fails, I'm afraid relay access is the last thing I'll be worried about :)
[13:35:49] <linderox> Roobarb: http://pastebin.org/49301 here
[13:35:50] <DanGer> Tardalicious: so it has passed.
[13:35:56] <Tardalicious> DanGer: so you got my email
[13:36:07] <Roobarb> linderox: thats just one line, I want to see all the logs for that message
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[13:36:24] <DanGer> Tardalicious: I did. I just wonder why some people are unable to deliver it.
[13:36:50] <Tardalicious> DanGer: Who? Any big ISPs unable to deliver it?
[13:37:18] <DanGer> seems like big ISPs do not have problems
[13:37:25] <cpm> heh
[13:37:39] <cpm> or as some would say, big ISPs are the problem
[13:37:46] <Tardalicious> lol
[13:37:49] <DanGer> Jul  7 13:37:33 genesis postfix/smtpd[12108]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from host81-138-16-69.in-addr.btopenworld.com[81.138.16.69]: 550 5.1.1 <gerzo at rulez dot sk>: Recipient address rejected: undeliverable address: unknown user: "gerzo at rulez dot sk"; from=<m.watts at linux-corner dot info> to=<gerzo at rulez dot sk> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail1.short4.org>
[13:37:55] <Roobarb> thats me
[13:38:04] <linderox> http://pastebin.org/49305
[13:38:39] <Roobarb> linderox: the "relay=dovecot" is a little odd
[13:39:03] <linderox> Roobarb: how it should be?
[13:39:14] <Roobarb> I usually see it as relay=local
[13:39:24] <DanGer> it's interesting it replies with 550 user unknown to some people and to others it does not.
[13:39:25] <Roobarb> which makes me wonder how you're doing recipient validation
[13:39:49] <Roobarb> DanGer: are we all going ot the same server, since theres two MX's ?
[13:40:26] <DanGer> yes seems so. the other server is just a backup mx
[13:40:28] <linderox> Roobarb: do you have any ideas how to solve problem?
[13:41:00] <Roobarb> DanGer: can you paste a log entry from a successful delivery?
[13:41:12] <Roobarb> linderox: can you pastebin "postconf -n" ?
[13:41:54] <linderox> http://pastebin.org/49306 here
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[13:43:44] <Roobarb> linderox: lines 10 and 11 say you're delivering to dovecot which seems to be rejecting things
[13:43:59] <Roobarb> as doe line 29
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[13:44:26] <Roobarb> is there a particular reason you're using dovecot in this way, and not just as a dumb imap/pop3 client ?
[13:44:56] <linderox> what does 'doe' mean
[13:45:51] <linderox> Roobarb: sorry i don't understand question about the reason
[13:45:51] <Tardalicious> I think he meant "as does line 29"
[13:47:10] <Roobarb> linderox: in which case, if you don't know why you're using dovecot in this way, I would modify your main.cf to remove the references to mailbox_command, mailbox_transport and virtual_transport
[13:48:03] <linderox> Tardalicious: Roobarb:  i added it when i didn't find any decisions...it was just trying... :)
[13:49:10] <DanGer> Roobarb: http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7361/
[13:49:39] <linderox> Roobarb: i removed this three lines from my config....
[13:50:03] <linderox> and restarted postfix
[13:50:13] <Roobarb> DanGer: tnoes don't show a successful delivery to that specific user
[13:50:17] <Roobarb> *those
[13:50:26] <Roobarb> linderox: ok, now try sending a mail again
[13:50:43] <DanGer> Jul  7 13:34:36 genesis amavis[10969]: (10969-14) Passed CLEAN, [69.147.64.92] [69.109.46.146] <matt at safetytg dot com> -> <danger at rulez dot sk>, Message-ID: <20080707113430.D3A31180C3E2 at server1 dot safetytg.com>, mail_id: eIcRdPsuSWaz, Hits: 2.259, size: 974, queued_as: CF0335C020, 1715 ms
[13:50:47] <DanGer> Jul  7 13:34:36 genesis postfix/smtp[12110]: BD63A5C01A: to=<danger at rulez dot sk>, orig_to=<gerzo at rulez dot sk>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=3.5, delays=1.8/0.01/0/1.7, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as CF0335C020)
[13:50:51] <DanGer> Jul  7 13:34:36 genesis postfix/qmgr[10283]: BD63A5C01A: removed
[13:50:54] <DanGer> Jul  7 13:34:36 genesis postfix/virtual[12113]: CF0335C020: to=<danger at rulez dot sk>, relay=virtual, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[13:50:57] <DanGer> note orig_to=
[13:51:23] <Roobarb> DanGer: hmm yes ok
[13:51:44] <DanGer> gerzo@ is an alias for danger@
[13:51:53] <Roobarb> DanGer: in /etc/postfix/aliases ?
[13:52:02] <DanGer> nope, in mysql
[13:52:05] <Roobarb> ah
[13:52:20] <Roobarb> I suspect the lookup isn't always succeding
[13:52:56] <DanGer> I don't see any mysql errors :(
[13:53:33] <Roobarb> well I need some lunch - bbl
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[13:56:15] <DanGer> it's strange, I have more aliases for danger@, but only gerzo@ does a problem.
[13:56:26] <DanGer> rcpt to: danger at rulez dot sk
[13:56:27] <DanGer> 250 2.1.5 Ok
[13:56:27] <DanGer> rcpt to: dg at rulez dot sk
[13:56:27] <DanGer> 250 2.1.5 Ok
[13:56:27] <DanGer> rcpt to: gerzo at rulez dot sk
[13:56:29] <DanGer> 550 5.1.1 <gerzo at rulez dot sk>: Recipient address rejected: undeliverable address: unknown user: "gerzo at rulez dot sk"
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[13:59:39] <linderox> http://pastebin.org/49309 look!!! i think it is work )))
[13:59:43] <xpoint> seems as recipient verifying
[14:00:04] <linderox> but no message in the maildir, but logs look good : ))
[14:00:13] <linderox> Roobarb: are you here?
[14:05:36] <DanGer> xpoint: that's for me?
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[14:18:52] <Roobarb> linderox: /
[14:18:54] <Roobarb> ?
[14:19:32] <linderox> Roobarb: i found a problem... it is create me ~ dir in my home dir
[14:19:57] <linderox> and inside ~ there is a maildir with a letter .... it is from dovecot.conf
[14:20:16] <Roobarb> linderox: you probably want:   home_mailbox = .maildir/
[14:20:30] <linderox> maildir:~/.maildir/ i have thi
[14:20:32] <linderox> this
[14:20:39] <Roobarb> since home_mailbox is relative to your home directory
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[14:31:16] <linderox> Roobarb: should i use home_mailbox=.maildir/ ???
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[14:32:15] <DanGer> Roobarb: you able to deliver an email to gerzo at rulez dot sk now?
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[14:44:29] <Roobarb> DanGer: yes
[14:44:35] <Roobarb> Jul  7 13:44:14 mail postfix/smtp[21922]: 14DC45C515: to=<gerzo at rulez dot sk>, relay=mailhub.rulez.sk[78.47.53.106]:25, delay=1.6, delays=0.09/0.03/0.3/1.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 91A945C04D)
[14:44:39] <DanGer> ok.
[14:44:56] <DanGer> i've restarted mysql, postfix, postgrey and amavis and it suddenly works :-)
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[14:49:58] <dirkson> Hey all! My Debian-default postfix setup will send email to gmail, but no where else (yahoo, hotmail, etc all fail) . I'm unable to find any useful error logs, and the postqueue is empty.... Where else should I be looking here?
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[14:52:56] <rob0> Hotmail is the only major provider known to be reckless enough to accept-then-discard real mail. Surely yahoo delivered it to the spam folder.
[14:53:35] <dirkson> rob0: Checking
[14:53:55] <rob0> !basic
[14:53:56] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[14:54:00] <rob0> !fcrdns
[14:54:01] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[14:54:05] <rob0> !relayhost
[14:54:06] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
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[14:55:17] <dirkson> rob0: Awesome : ) Actually, purging my config files and reinstalling seems to have fixed the issue- There was something wrong with the yahoo account we tested after the purge. Things are now working peachy keen. I'll save those links, though.
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[15:07:39] <lunaphyte_> !iha
[15:07:40] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "iha" : i hate acronyms.
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[15:24:29] <rob0> wb
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[15:35:58] <cpm> so, how wuzza meeting?
[15:37:46] <f3ew> interesting]
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[15:39:55] <cpm> interesting is good
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[15:47:08] <rob0> and rare, in describing business meetings!
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[15:49:39] <staimeer> someone knows about cluster for postfix ?
[15:50:42] <f3ew> staimeer what sort of clustering?
[15:50:47] <f3ew> rob0 !business meeting
[15:50:59] <f3ew> Meeting about future development of Dovecot
[15:52:04] <Trengo> staimeer im running one
[15:52:22] <Trengo> and im sure there's lots of people doing the same
[15:52:25] <rob0> ohhhh
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[15:54:23] <staimeer> a server sends to the internal network of other servers, which releases for foreign
[15:55:19] <staimeer> has to understand?
[15:55:31] <Trengo> has
[15:56:10] <Trengo> speako portoghese
[15:56:25] <staimeer> :)
[15:56:29] <staimeer> yes
[15:57:17] 
[15:57:41] <staimeer> Trengo sou do brazil
[15:57:53] <Trengo> staimeer aqui radio lisboa
[15:58:08] <Trengo> bzzzt frrrrp grrrzzz
[15:59:30] <daniele_athome> hello! I installed postfix and set mydestination to localhost and my isp's domain name
[15:59:31] <staimeer> Trengo entao, um server centrar que envia email pela rede interna, esses servers irao enviar para internet
[15:59:43] <daniele_athome> for example, I am daniele.athome at myisp dot com
[16:00:17] <daniele_athome> however, if I try to send via smtp to another.user at myisp dot com, postfix tells me that another.user doesn't exists in local alias table
[16:00:37] <daniele_athome> instead, in that case I want the message to be relayed through my isp smtp server
[16:00:45] <lunaphyte_> !relayhost
[16:00:45] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[16:01:00] <rob0> !mydestination
[16:01:00] <knoba> rob0: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[16:01:03] <rob0> !basic
[16:01:04] <lunaphyte_> !basic
[16:01:04] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[16:01:05] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[16:01:08] <rob0> haha
[16:01:08] <lunaphyte_> bah!
[16:01:17] <rob0> daniele_athome: ^^ both of those
[16:01:32] <lunaphyte_> i guess you'll have to read the basic doc twice.
[16:01:38] <rob0> yup
[16:01:43] <daniele_athome> mmm
[16:01:56] <daniele_athome> I set relayhost, and relay to other domains work perfectly
[16:02:34] <daniele_athome> but if I try to send a mail to my own domains (contained in $mydestination too) (for example: randomuser at myisp dot com)
[16:02:54] <daniele_athome> it doesn't accept that name because it doesn't exist in the alias table
[16:03:00] <rob0> This is answered, and yet you're still asking?
[16:03:08] <lunaphyte_> somehow, i doubt that myisp.com is your domain.
[16:03:19] <daniele_athome> lunaphyte, it's just an example
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[16:03:37] <lunaphyte_> it was an example in my comment as well.
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[16:04:01] <daniele_athome> ...
[16:04:02] 
[16:04:16] * lunaphyte_ wonders wwrd?
[16:04:27] <rob0> RWRTFL
[16:04:58] <staimeer> Trengo sim, irei desenhar
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[16:14:22] <staimeer> Trengo http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1170/presetation1.jpg
[16:15:09] <Trengo> staimeer not found
[16:15:44] <staimeer> Trengo desculpe
[16:15:55] <staimeer> Trengo http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1170/presentation1at1.jpg
[16:16:47] 
[16:17:04] <staimeer> Trengo eles so enviam email
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[16:18:44] <Trengo> staimeer de onde para onde?
[16:19:01] * lunaphyte_ starts to feel a bit xenophobic.
[16:19:23] <Trengo> lunaphyte :)
[16:19:33] <Trengo> we'll be quiet
[16:19:37] <Trengo> maybe
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[16:21:25] <staimeer> Trengo de um remetende da interna para um destinatario da rede externa
[16:22:27] <carl-> if one sender send "one" message to 1000 recipient mailaddresses on one server how do i accomplish so that i dont have to store 1000 instances of this message and let everyone access the same data
[16:23:21] <lunaphyte_> you can't.  at least not with postfix.
[16:23:31] <rob0> Um, carl, that's not simple.
[16:23:45] <Trengo> exchange does that i think
[16:23:48] <lunaphyte_> err, can you?
[16:24:09] <rob0> I think it might be possible with Dovecot and hardlinks and virtual(8) delivery, where the UID/GID is static.
[16:24:12] <carl-> yes exchange does ..  but what if i do not have windows ..
[16:24:17] <jduggan> you can do it for attachments, using dbmail (one time storage, feature)
[16:24:47] <carl-> not for the whole message though .. ??
[16:25:06] <jduggan> i've not seen a delivery agent that does it, that doesnt mean it doesnt exist
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[16:26:24] <rob0> Indeed, it's a question for the delivery agent. The native Postfix delivery agents (local & virtual) can't do it.
[16:27:07] <f3ew> Trengo Exchange has stopped doing it
[16:28:09] <jduggan> i think the storage gain vs overhead is quite negligible
[16:28:15] <jduggan> attachments is a different story
[16:28:50] <Trengo> f3ew damn microsoft consultants, they assure me it still does!
[16:29:04] <f3ew> 2005 does not
[16:29:07] <f3ew> They blogged abotu it
[16:29:21] <jduggan> how about 2007?
[16:30:41] <f3ew> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2008/02/08/448095.aspx
[16:30:54] <f3ew> Ah, they still do it, but it's being phased out
[16:31:03] <rob0> sex change team?
[16:34:26] <lunaphyte_> is the team getting the sex change, or performing it?
[16:34:45] <taec> It's the M-Sex change team. If the A-team was great, the the M-team is mediocre at best.
[16:35:41] <lunaphyte_> oh, m-sex is machine sex, like neuromancer style.
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[16:41:40] <cpm> neuromancer style?
[16:41:54] <cpm> why is it I don't recall any machine sex in neuromancer?
[16:42:25] <shal3r> Somebody is sending thousands of email messages per day and using one "From" email address that`s hosted on my server. So, i get thousands "email not delivered for spam" messages every day. How to avoid this?
[16:42:41] <shal3r> And he is not using my SMTP server
[16:43:03] <seekwill> We love backscatter :)
[16:43:37] <cpm> !backscatter
[16:43:37] <knoba> cpm: "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[16:44:04] <lunaphyte_> cpm: i suppose that was just wishful thinking.
[16:44:09] <shal3r> thanks
[16:44:28] <cpm> shal3r, also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joejob
[16:45:07] <shal3r> thanks
[16:48:08] <seekwill> cpm: Hmm.. Interesting. I didn't think major ISPs would fall for a FROM header.... Seems like they are more interested in the connecting IP address
[16:48:54] <cpm> seekwill, who can say what a major isp would fall for?
[16:49:05] <cpm> they'll fall for you writing a check.
[16:49:45] <seekwill> A forged FROM envelope
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[16:50:42] <seekwill> Hmm...
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[16:59:21] <seekwill> You can't! I use SenderID! bwhaha!
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[17:01:53] <cpm> heh, that's pretty funny
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[17:13:17] <shal3r> ok, i can reject all messages which don`t have "From: mymailserver.tld" and this will work if email is sent only from my mailserver, but what to do in cases when user uses any other SMTP server (for example, gmail)?
[17:13:59] <taec> shal3r: there's a big difference between a `From' message header and the `From' envelope sender.
[17:14:18] <shal3r> i`m talking about headers
[17:14:26] <shal3r> ^Received: +from +(mymailserver\.tld) +/
[17:15:28] <taec> shal3r: you cannot control over peoples servers. You could look into SPF like headers, but at the end of the day, nothing is even close to 100%.
[17:15:33] <taec> *other
[17:19:48] <seekwill> shal3r: Are you trying to stop the backscatter?
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[17:20:10] <seekwill> Or is this for something else?
[17:21:40] <shal3r> seekwill, yes
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[17:22:06] <seekwill> You aren't going to :)
[17:22:32] <seekwill> I believe there is a nice list of backscatterers that you can temporarily block
[17:22:54] <shal3r> that`s impossible when users are using different SMTP servers, right ?
[17:24:46] <seekwill> umm
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[17:25:51] <seekwill> I'm not sure what you mean
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[17:27:54] <Dewi> seekwill: well legitimate servers will "backscatter"
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[17:28:27] <seekwill> Really?
[17:28:35] <seekwill> Like?
[17:28:38] <Dewi> seekwill: when spammers hit up incorrectly guessed recipients
[17:28:52] <seekwill> hmm
[17:28:54] <Dewi> seekwill: oh, wait, that's a reject not a bounce
[17:29:03] <Dewi> seekwill: I didn't think this through
[17:29:36] <Dewi> lots of servers do bounce instead of reject for that stuff though
[17:29:39] <seekwill> :)
[17:29:46] <seekwill> Legit servers though :)
[17:29:49] <Dewi> or there's multiple levels of servers and it amounts to the same thing
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[17:30:58] <Dewi> people certainly get plenty of backscatter that implicates me anyway
[17:31:01] <Dewi> I get complaints
[17:31:37] <Dewi> for the first time this week I actually got a spam complaint where somebody had placed my server at the start of the "Received" list
[17:31:56] <Dewi> the real spammer had been in the middle of the chain somewhere and the rest were of course faked
[17:33:26] <Dewi> it's sad that the few people who still have the energy to complain to bad relays are sometimes unable to figure out which one it was
[17:33:55] <seekwill> I would blame you
[17:34:06] <seekwill> How could you not figure out who's relaying through you?
[17:34:53] <rob0> um, seekwill, the point is, it did NOT come through Dewi
[17:35:44] <Dewi> seekwill: it wasn't, a relay in the middle of the chain faked the rest of the chain
[17:35:45] <seekwill> ah
[17:35:57] <seekwill> Misread, sorry
[17:36:34] <seekwill> A faked Received header, never heard of that...
[17:37:44] <Dewi> I've noticed a few, but now I'm being included in them. And people are thinking it's really me... I guess it's about time I was RBL'd again
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[17:40:28] <seekwill> Someone is out to get you. Who did you piss off? :)
[17:42:17] <Dewi> seekwill: < 100% of the people I meet, and >>>0%
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[17:48:16] <shal3r> heh, i cannot find any backscatter list
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[17:49:14] <Dominian> seekwill: create an SPF record
[17:49:31] <Dominian> and hope that servers honor SPF ;)
[17:50:00] <seekwill> Dominian: I have SenderID!!!!1111one
[17:50:09] <Dominian> so?
[17:50:23] <seekwill> It's like better than spf
[17:50:28] <Dominian> Obviously not.
[17:50:35] <seekwill> Hmm?
[17:50:37] <Dominian> It if were better.. why the issue then?
[17:50:43] * seekwill doesn't have an issue
[17:51:08] <Dominian> Thought you were getting tons of backscatter?
[17:51:12] <seekwill> No
[17:51:17] <seekwill> The other shal3r was
[17:51:18] <Dominian> then I misread.
[17:51:20] <seekwill> :)
[17:51:21] <Dominian> ah
[17:51:23] <Dominian> hah
[17:51:42] <Dominian> I yes.. my bad.. I misread who the person having the issue was
[17:51:52] <Dominian> shal3r: see what I said to seekwill
[17:51:53] <seekwill> I misread all the time...
[17:51:54] <Dominian> heh
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[17:53:01] <seekwill> I really should set up a script to handle backscatter...
[17:53:09] <seekwill> I should get more users :/
[17:54:29] <shal3r> Dominian, can you explain a bit more about that SPF record?
[17:54:50] <Dominian> openspf.org
[17:54:56] <Dominian> that's the best way to explain it
[17:54:59] <Dominian> but ins hort..
[17:55:11] <Dominian> its a DNS txt record that tells other mail servers what servers are allowed to send as your domain.
[18:02:42] <shal3r> thanks
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[18:05:02] <Dewi> Dominian: SPF breaks good backscatter too though
[18:06:04] <Dewi> not to mention anyone trying to send mail from a remote network, like users incurably do every time they log on from home
[18:11:05] <Dominian> Dewi: that's why you use smtp-auth
[18:11:06] <Dominian> !auth
[18:11:06] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "auth" is not a valid command.
[18:11:09] <Dominian> grr
[18:11:14] <Dominian> !smtp-auth
[18:11:14] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "smtp-auth" is not a valid command.
[18:11:17] <Dewi> Dominian: yeah
[18:11:18] <Dominian> damn it
[18:11:27] <Dominian> its one of those factoids
[18:11:28] <Dewi> Dominian: except some stupid ISPs block port 25
[18:11:36] <Dominian> Dewi: that's why its on 587
[18:11:36] <Dewi> and the secure equiv
[18:11:50] <Dominian> yeah and if they block it.. then the user should be sending outboudn email through their provider.
[18:11:55] * Dominian shrugs
[18:11:59] <Dewi> which fails SPF
[18:12:17] <Dominian> eh
[18:12:21] <Dominian> true
[18:12:48] <Dominian> However, you can set additional A records in SPF
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[18:12:54] <Dewi> I just don't dare set up anything to SPF fail on my dad's domain because he has to do all kinds of crazy things to get mail to send when he travels
[18:12:55] <Dominian> So there is a way to fix it.
[18:13:27] <Dewi> I've set him up an ssh tunnel too, port 22 is usually okay
[18:14:04] <Dewi> I've seen him send me mail from thailand, and take 2 months to arrive
[18:14:14] <Dewi> SPF isn't the only reason to try to use your own relay :)
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[18:17:11] <rob0> Dewi, can you document an instance of an ISP blocking outbound 587 or 465? I've heard people make those claims, but never seen substantiation.
[18:17:49] <rob0> I wouldn't be surprised if there is, but generally it seems to be PEBKAC.
[18:17:52] <Dewi> rob0: it's just an occasional thing in places like hotels, overseas telcos, overseas universities
[18:18:06] <rob0> well, hotels do a lot of weird stuff
[18:18:17] <Dewi> and like I say, some of these systems are badly enough run that if you DO use the local relay, mail can come through 2 months later :P
[18:18:28] <rob0> Universities often don't allow real Internet access at all, proxied only.
[18:18:48] <Dewi> indeed
[18:18:56] <Dewi> mine didn't
[18:18:58] <rob0> But definitely, a traveler should not be trying to use port 25.
[18:19:18] <Dewi> yeah, I didn't mean 25. I meant... the secure one
[18:19:40] <rob0> Might help if you learn your ports.
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[18:20:50] <rob0> 587 is not inherently "secure". But generally you wouldn't want to allow AUTH without TLS.
[18:21:24] <Dewi> iirc systems I have seen use 465, not 587
[18:22:31] <rob0> 465 is smtps, SSL-encapsulated SMTP, which was never really approved as a standard IIUC.
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[18:22:59] <rob0> (but Postfix supports it if you set it up)
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[18:45:30] <gcs> Hi! Is there any possibility to make postfix delay sending out mails? I mean user sends it, s/he gets back an ok (250 status) but postfix doesn't begin it's sending. It puts into some queue for an indefinitive time/event.
[18:49:32] <Dominian> huh?
[18:49:42] <Dominian> why?
[18:50:22] <seekwill> I can think of a few reasons why
[18:50:35] <seekwill> Debugging is the reason why I do it the most
[18:51:40] <seekwill> Message inspection
[18:51:57] <Dominian> Accept an email.. only to delay it?
[18:52:01] <Dominian> that seems... stupid?
[18:52:13] <Dominian> I can understand delays for virus/spam scanning.. but for whate other purpose?
[18:52:18] <Dominian> debugging can be done with verbose logging
[18:54:16] <seekwill> I've used it to check headers (dk/dkim)
[18:54:40] <gcs> My reverse DNS is wrong. Asked my provider to correct it, but until that all mails I send out is rejected due to my reverse DNS being wrong.
[18:55:29] <seekwill> That's a good reason!
[18:56:06] <gcs> I can't say the users, hey don't send any mails. I hope there's a way to accept it like it was sent, but wait until I confirm that reverse DNS is ok and mail sending will be accepted.
[18:58:55] <Dominian> ummm
[18:59:10] <Dominian> You should be able to tell it to hold it in queue and not deliver.. umm..
[18:59:24] <gcs> Any good solution for this problem? I can shutdown postfix, but then I won't get any mails in which is a very bad thing.
[18:59:25] <Dominian> I've had to do this before.. and I don't remember what I had to do.
[19:00:17] <gcs> Dominian: Any pointers where did you find that solution? Web page, wiki, mailing list?
[19:00:25] <seekwill> Google!
[19:00:37] <Dominian> Probably what seekwill said
[19:00:39] <Dominian> :)
[19:01:41] <gcs> seekwill: Already tried, couldn't find a solution.
[19:01:52] <seekwill> Search for "suspend delivery" perhaps?
[19:02:23] <rob0> !defer_transports
[19:02:24] <knoba> rob0: "defer_transports" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The names of message delivery transports that should not be delivered to unless someone issues "sendmail -q" or equivalent. Specify zero or more names of mail delivery transports names that appear in the first field of master.cf).
[19:02:46] <rob0> defer_transports = smtp # should do
[19:03:12] <seekwill> Darn, I'm so wrong
[19:03:26] <hooch> if i have domains configured as virtual domains, is there a mechanism i can use to globally direct abuse@ postmaster@ for these domains, without specifying abuse@ under every virtual domain's map?
[19:04:06] <Dominian> don't think so.. you have to map the alias..
[19:04:20] <rob0> The only safe and sane approach, hooch, is the one you sound like you're unwilling to do.
[19:05:19] <hooch> ok taken on board :)
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[19:16:34] <gcs> rob0: Just a minute. I host virtual domains, so defer_transports should be virtual, right? Can/Should I set 'smtp, virtual' maybe?
[19:22:04] <rob0> If that's what you want, sure.
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[19:24:55] <fzzzt> Hello. my Postfix uses Cyrus SASL to talk to MySQL. Can I switch that to Dovecot SASL without any issues? I don't think it should matter which I use as long as it works, the Cyrus SASL on my IMAP server is another machine...
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[19:27:47] <fzzzt`> doh, network problems again. stupid AP
[19:27:49] <fzzzt`> any responses to my Q?
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[19:54:26] <nicholas_> hello
[19:54:33] <nicholas_> could somebody help me with a postfix configuration?
[19:55:09] <nicholas_> im trying to set up postfix but it seems like it wont send or recieve any emails
[19:55:22] <nicholas_> the main.cf file doesnt give any errors
[19:55:32] <Dominian> logs are good
[19:56:28] <nicholas_> [root@mother ~]# telnet localhost 25
[19:56:28] <nicholas_> Trying 127.0.0.1...
[19:56:28] <nicholas_> Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1).
[19:56:41] <nicholas_> Escape character is '^]'.
[19:56:41] <nicholas_> 220 office.webdesign.co.uk ESMTP Postfix
[19:56:41] <nicholas_> mail from: google at localhost dot com
[19:56:41] <nicholas_> 250 2.1.0 Ok
[19:56:43] <nicholas_> rcpt to: google at linuxmail dot org
[19:56:46] <nicholas_> 250 2.1.5 Ok
[19:56:48] <nicholas_> data
[19:56:51] <nicholas_> 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
[19:56:53] <nicholas_> hello .
[19:56:56] <nicholas_> .
[19:56:58] <nicholas_> 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 0CFA41E399E
[19:57:01] <nicholas_> [Bseems like i can connect to the server , but it wont send the messages
[19:58:05] <nicholas_> any ideas?
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[19:59:01] <war9407> nicholas_: check the logs
[19:59:06] <nicholas_> which logs?
[19:59:17] <nicholas_> /var/log/messages ?
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[20:02:19] <nicholas_> [root@mother ~]# egrep '(reject|warning|error|fatal|panic):' /var/log/maillog | tail
[20:02:22] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:14 mother postfix/master[11871]: warning: service smtp: ignoring inet_interfaces change
[20:02:25] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:14 mother postfix/master[11871]: warning: to change inet_interfaces, stop and start Postfix
[20:02:28] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:14 mother postfix/master[11871]: warning: service 127.0.0.1:10025: ignoring inet_interfaces change
[20:02:31] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:14 mother postfix/master[11871]: warning: to change inet_interfaces, stop and start Postfix
[20:02:34] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:37 mother nss_wins[14318]: warning: 62.49.186.2: hostname no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk verification failed: Name or service not known
[20:02:41] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:37 mother postfix/smtp[14323]: warning: host office.popcornwebdesign.co.uk[62.49.186.2]:25 greeted me with my own hostname office.popcornwebdesign.co.uk
[20:02:44] <cpm> !flood
[20:02:44] <knoba> cpm: Error: "flood" is not a valid command.
[20:02:45] <nicholas_> Jul  7 17:49:37 mother postfix/smtp[14323]: warning: host office.popcornwebdesign.co.uk[62.49.186.2]:25 replied to HELO/EHLO with my own hostname office.popcornwebdesign.co.uk
[20:02:48] <nicholas_> Jul  7 18:16:41 mother nss_wins[16820]: warning: 88.249.4.185: hostname dsl88-249-1209.ttnet.net.tr verification failed: Name or service not known
[20:02:49] <cpm> !pastebin
[20:02:50] <knoba> cpm: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[20:02:51] <nicholas_> Jul  7 18:16:41 mother nss_wins[16820]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[88.249.4.185]: 554 5.7.1 <richard at popcornwebdesign dot co.uk>: Relay access denied; from=<liz at pbxsoftware dot com> to=<richard at popcornwebdesign dot co.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<dsl88-249-1209.ttnet.net.tr>
[20:02:55] <nicholas_> Jul  7 18:31:43 mother postfix/smtpd[18185]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[72.54.48.26]: 554 5.7.1 <nick at popcornwebdesign dot co.uk>: Relay access denied; from=<jo at atomis dot com> to=<nick at popcornwebdesign dot co.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<72.54.48.26>
[20:02:57] <cpm> STOP IT!
[20:02:59] <nicholas_> any ideas?
[20:03:07] <cpm> !pastebin
[20:03:07] <knoba> cpm: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
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[20:04:40] <nicholas_> ?
[20:05:10] <jeev> paste your logs and output at pastebin.com
[20:05:14] <jeev> or www.rafb.net/paste/
[20:05:16] <jeev> and then paste the link here
[20:05:18] <jeev> nobody wants to see you scroll
[20:05:27] <cpm> !questions
[20:05:27] <knoba> cpm: "questions" : Please review this guide http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
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[20:16:44] <nicholas> hi
[20:16:49] <nicholas> anyone proficient with postfix ?
[20:16:53] <nicholas> i really need some help
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[20:19:24] <Motoko-chan> People in here can't read minds. State your problem and be patient
[20:19:33] <cpm> !tell nicholas questions
[20:19:33] <knoba> cpm: Error: I haven't seen nicholas, I'll let you do the telling.
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[20:20:35] <cpm> !tell Nicholas__ questions
[20:20:36] <knoba> cpm: Error: I haven't seen Nicholas__, I'll let you do the telling.
[20:22:01] <jeev> hahah
[20:22:51] <cpm> knoba, is such a smart all
[20:22:53] <cpm> ass even
[20:25:10] <jeev> bah
[20:25:10] <rob0> Sometimes I do read minds. It can be embarrassing!
[20:25:13] <jeev> i left my headset at home
[20:25:19] <jeev> i loved wired headset for treo
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[20:33:42] * rob0 is shocked!
[20:35:56] * cpm likes wired headsets
[20:36:27] * rob0 likes weird headsets
[20:37:04] * cpm likes weird rob0
[20:40:21] * jeev has hemmorhoids
[20:40:22] * jeev thinks at least
[20:42:46] * rob0 tries not to read jeev's mind
[20:45:13] * cpm can't read his own mind
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[20:46:03] <gpled> can someone run a traceroute on mail.vmarch.com, and tell me if you think the last two hops look bad to you?
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[20:47:56] <gpled> brb
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[20:51:22] <narcoclepsy> anyone know any tricks to get postfix to play nice with php? i set the correct path to the sendmail wrapper, and it accepts delivery from mail() but nothing shows up
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[20:51:49] <narcoclepsy> if i echo "something"|sendmail mylocaluser@localhost i DO get mail.
[20:55:50] <gpled> narcoclepsy: need to understand the setup.  where is the php/web server, and the postfix box?
[20:56:57] <narcoclepsy> they are on the same machine
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[20:57:50] <gpled> so your trying to get a webpage on your postfix box, to send out an email, to someone?
[21:01:52] <narcoclepsy> just locallay
[21:02:00] <narcoclepsy> so i can test things.
[21:02:25] <narcoclepsy> its a test rig.
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[21:03:39] <m0rpheu5> (delivery temporarily suspended: mail for MYDOMAIN loops back to myself)
[21:03:48] <m0rpheu5> what could be?
[21:04:05] <narcoclepsy> gpled: i set php.ini to the sendmail wrapper with ; For Unix only.  You may supply arguments as well (default: "sendmail -t -i").
[21:04:08] <narcoclepsy> sendmail_path =/usr/sbin/sendmail
[21:04:12] <Dominian> !loop
[21:04:12] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "loop" is not a valid command.
[21:04:16] <Dominian> argh
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[21:05:54] <gpled> narcoclepsy: i just use:  mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers);
[21:06:00] <gpled> in my php file
[21:06:17] <narcoclepsy> that was my php.ini excerpt
[21:06:34] <narcoclepsy> your above code will claim it works (returns TRUE) but never lands anywhere
[21:07:15] <gpled> narcoclepsy: you have to set $to $subject ....
[21:07:27] <narcoclepsy> i did
[21:07:28] <gpled> try a test, like this
[21:08:53] <gpled> mail("some at emai dot com", "test", "hello", "header to big to post here")
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[21:09:08] <gpled> ill give you an example header
[21:10:03] <m0rpheu5> hello, anybody?
[21:10:28] <gpled> narcoclepsy: http://rafb.net/p/33uYon66.html
[21:11:56] <gpled> m0rpheu5: can you past the message?
[21:12:14] 
[21:12:21] <m0rpheu5> Jul 7 16:11:48 web postfix/error[6423]: 44AEE485FCB: to=<jujuba_star_love at hotmail dot com>, relay=none, delay=1040, delays=1040/0/0/0.11, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: mail for web.pauloaraujo.com.br loops back to myself)
[21:12:28] <gpled> does it really say MYDOMAIN?
[21:12:41] <gpled> woops
[21:12:42] <m0rpheu5> nops, appears web.pauloaraujo.com.br taht is my domain
[21:13:32] <narcoclepsy> gpled: i am making the test script thanks- give me a moment
[21:13:38] <gpled> are you web.pauloaraujo.com.br ?
[21:14:19] <gpled> narcoclepsy: i would keep the line:  mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers);   and set the vars
[21:14:29] <narcoclepsy> thats what i am doing
[21:14:40] <narcoclepsy> basically yours is verbatim to mine but i didn't supply a header
[21:14:41] <gpled> narcoclepsy: good man
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[21:15:27] <gpled> narcoclepsy: i used mine for sending out side mail, but if you set the $to correct, it should work
[21:15:36] <narcoclepsy> myuser.local
[21:16:25] <gpled> m0rpheu5: was this working before?
[21:17:31] 
[21:18:47] <gpled> m0rpheu5: after you returned, did you restart postfix?
[21:18:52] <m0rpheu5> sure
[21:19:37] <gpled> is it just hotmail accounts, or lots of different ones?
[21:20:00] <m0rpheu5> many others, i have almost 35.000 emails on my queue with the same error =\
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[21:22:39] <m0rpheu5> gpled, where can i paste my main.cf to you see?
[21:22:52] <fzzzt> Is the primary difference between client_rest, sender_rest, and recip_rest *when* the checks are performed? permit_sasl_authenticated is listed as a client_rest option, but i'm currently using it in sender_/recip_ areas (and it works fine)
[21:23:26] <rob0> !smtpd_delay_reject
[21:23:26] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_delay_reject" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Wait until the RCPT TO command before evaluating $smtpd_client_restrictions, $smtpd_helo_restrictions and $smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[21:23:28] <gpled> m0rpheu5: i fear you have virtual mailboxes.  i know vary little about virtual mailboxes
[21:23:30] <rob0> !access
[21:23:31] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[21:24:34] <m0rpheu5> gpled, this is only to send the newsletter from my client, the mail boxes use another mail server that is working ok
[21:24:58] <fzzzt> ok so since the default is yes, there's effectively no difference between where you put the restrictions. only if you set delay_rejec to no would it matter, correct?
[21:25:35] <narcoclepsy> gpled: http://rafb.net/p/KxRcpp82.html
[21:26:22] <fzzzt> my other Q is, if it's specified multiple times (like in sender_ receipient_ and client_restrictions), would it only be checked once and that result used for the other two, or is the SASL lookup done multiple times?
[21:26:23] <rob0> The difference is that smtpd_recipient_restrictions controls relaying, and that is the reason why most of us recommend keeping ALL restrictions there.
[21:27:13] <rob0> Carefully-constructed smtpd_recipient_restrictions can do what 99.9% of sites need to do.
[21:27:16] <fzzzt> But authenticating the sender would seem to "belong" in client_restrictions or sender_restrictions, doesn't it?
[21:28:08] <rob0> Authentication, in terms of "can the user relay or not", MUST be in smtpd_recipient_restrictions.
[21:28:14] <fzzzt> I'm not trying to argue with you, just looking for clarification I guess
[21:28:26] <fzzzt> ok
[21:28:38] <gpled> narcoclepsy: did it work?
[21:28:54] <narcoclepsy> http://rafb.net/p/KxRcpp82.html
[21:28:56] <narcoclepsy> i used this
[21:29:01] <fzzzt> so i think i'm thinking of authentication as "is the user who they say they are", and authorization as "can they relay", which would suggest i want 2 separate lines (though only one probably exists)
[21:29:06] <narcoclepsy> it is now returning 1 (false!)
[21:29:17] <narcoclepsy> so at least PHP isn't pretending to work anymore :-/
[21:29:34] <narcoclepsy> (previously it would not complain, but not produce a thing in mail)
[21:30:06] <gpled> narcoclepsy: do you have an outside email address you can test with, in the $to=   ?
[21:30:41] <narcoclepsy> i could add my external email, yeah...
[21:30:48] <fzzzt> rob0, so if you have permit_sasl_authenticated in client_restrictions, but have smtpd_delay_reject set to yes, are you still answering if they can relay or not?
[21:30:57] <narcoclepsy> but i know localmail works ...
[21:31:00] <narcoclepsy> just not from php
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[21:32:16] <gpled> narcoclepsy: test to this account http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html
[21:32:50] <gpled> if outside works, then you know it is just a naming convention for local
[21:33:45] <gpled> m0rpheu5: you can paste here: http://rafb.net/paste/
[21:33:55] <gpled> then just post the new address in the channel
[21:34:52] <narcoclepsy> gpled: no luck. Let me dig into this more... thanks for the help though-
[21:34:57] <narcoclepsy> :-/
[21:35:03] <narcoclepsy> persistanCE!
[21:35:03] <m0rpheu5> gpled, the url http://rafb.net/p/g7eu0U68.html
[21:35:49] <gpled> narcoclepsy: good luck.  the outside mail should be easyer
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[21:36:36] <m0rpheu5> gpled, please verify if there is any problem
[21:39:37] <gpled> m0rpheu5: check these:
[21:39:38] <gpled> mydestination = pauloaraujo.com.br, web.pauloaraujo.com.br, localhost
[21:40:01] <gpled> relay_domains = $mydestination
[21:40:12] <gpled> relayhost = [web.pauloaraujo.com.br]
[21:40:39] <gpled> brb
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[21:43:30] <m0rpheu5> gpled, what is wrong, what i need to change?
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[21:45:26] <fzzzt> Is there a way to change the reject messages without recompiling?
[21:45:33] <gpled> i think relayhost
[21:46:26] <m0rpheu5> i need to change this for what? $mydestination too?
[21:46:32] <fzzzt> nm found it
[21:46:52] <gpled> web.pauloaraujo.com.br is your postfix box?
[21:47:00] <m0rpheu5> yes
[21:47:25] <gpled> do you relay incoming mail to another box?  like an exchange box?
[21:47:53] * ndonegan wishes he didn't have to recompile Postfix in order to put in dodgy messages for attempted relay attempts :)
[21:48:28] <fzzzt> Off to find where this message is :)
[21:49:30] <gpled> seems like they would just make a text file for all the messages
[21:49:38] <fzzzt> src/smtpd/smtpd_check.c
[21:49:38] <gpled> brb
[21:50:13] <ndonegan> My MTA was telling spammers that if they paid ?150 to my paypal, I'd open up my own server as a relay :)
[21:50:20] <fzzzt> hahaha
[21:50:29] <ndonegan> no one bit :(
[21:50:41] <fzzzt> This is an internal SMTP machine, I want to direct them somewhere if SMTP AUTH doesn't work
[21:50:50] <fzzzt> I doubt most spammers read those :)
[21:51:00] <ndonegan> fzzzt: It was worth a shot.
[21:51:03] <fzzzt> indeed
[21:51:12] <ndonegan> fzzzt: haven't recompiled it since the last Debian update
[21:51:30] <fzzzt> So like 1985?
[21:51:32] * fzzzt ducks
[21:52:00] <ndonegan> fzzzt: fair play if updated it before they started the project, I want that technology :)
[21:52:33] <fzzzt> when did debian start?
[21:52:34] <m0rpheu5> gpled, yes, in this server i have qmail and postfix, qmail is used to receive and sent email, and postfix is only to send newsletter
[21:52:43] <ndonegan> fzzzt: early 90s
[21:52:46] <fzzzt> ah
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[21:53:00] <mwalling> after slackware
[21:53:07] <fzzzt> yeah
[21:53:16] <fzzzt> i did know slack was older, actually
[21:53:28] <fzzzt> we had a discussino about this a few days ago in #freebsd :P
[21:53:44] <ndonegan> Aug 16th 1993 was seemingly when Debian was founded
[21:53:48] <fzzzt> we couldn't find naything older than slack
[21:54:19] <ndonegan> fzzzt: there was one older than slack
[21:54:49] <ndonegan> Slackware came from SLS
[21:56:17] <gpled> clamAv just went from 0.93.2 to 0.93.3 in the same day
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[21:56:24] <ndonegan> fzzzt: I had this chat with Alan Cox over a pint of Guinness one night :)
[21:58:53] <gpled> m0rpheu5: seems like relayhost would only mess with incoming
[21:58:56] <gpled> inet_interfaces = localhost, web.pauloaraujo.com.br
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[21:59:56] <gpled> nah, inet_interfaces is receive too.  hmmm
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[22:01:56] <m0rpheu5> i think that works #)
[22:01:57] <m0rpheu5> thanks
[22:02:37] <spat> can someone point me to some decent documentation of sasl_mysql authentication in postfix?
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[22:03:30] <m0rpheu5> gpled thanks man
[22:03:30] <gpled> m0rpheu5: was it local_transport = qdelivery  ?
[22:03:38] <m0rpheu5> gpled, yes is qdelivery
[22:03:41] <gpled> lol
[22:03:45] <gpled> just saw that
[22:03:55] <spat> or i can learn how to use google... sorry
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[22:08:26] <spat> damn it still not found what i was looking for (only found sasl in combo with pam using mysql) is it even posible to use sasl_mysql with postfix?
[22:08:40] <narcoclepsy> gpled: i figured it out, in php.ini you have to add -t -i to the sendmail_path, like sendmail_path=/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i
[22:08:42] <gpled> tls?
[22:08:45] <narcoclepsy> jsyk
[22:09:12] <fzzzt> I wonder if there is an RFC limit to error messages
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[22:09:59] <gpled> narcoclepsy: i dont remember having to mess with php.ini, but i set it up a long time ago.  what distro are you running on?
[22:10:07] <narcoclepsy> crapbuntu
[22:10:13] <narcoclepsy> ;-)
[22:10:47] <narcoclepsy> i don't know why it would make a difference though, postfix is postfix.
[22:11:01] <narcoclepsy> i think its moreso that it expects sendmail and it has to do with how the postfix wrapper utility is set up
[22:11:20] <gpled> was thinking, the way the package manager put in php
[22:12:27] <spat> narcoclepsy: the ubuntu flavours they come up with these days, do you get this one with a famaly pack of toiletpaper?
[22:12:44] <spat> familly*
[22:17:15] <gpled> hmm, that would be furn.  go to the store and put a free copy of ubuntu on all the family packs of toiletpaper
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[22:26:37] <narcoclepsy> spat: ;-) i used it all cleaning up the default install
[22:27:14] <spat> lol
[22:28:55] <spat> narcoclepsy: the defaults in ubuntu are quite sain however not the most friendly when you want to move away from default or packages from this century
[22:29:33] <narcoclepsy> beleive me i have some ubuntu servers and some gentoo servers. I spend equal time loving and hating both :-D
[22:30:15] <spat> narcoclepsy: I beleive you. although id prefere gentoo :-)
[22:30:16] <narcoclepsy> anyway, gpled thanks for the help, and spat for the laughs :-) take care-
[22:30:22] <spat> later
[22:30:22] <narcoclepsy> (i do) see ya
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[22:30:34] <gpled> later
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[22:59:52] <PcPixel> How would you do a restriction class to wrap reject_unknown_helo_hostname, or create a way to bypass it for a known misconfigured host
[23:00:22] <PcPixel> im using it & its catching a lot of spam, but I have an accounting firm that is trying to send in an email 7 i beleive its that check thats causing the 450 error in the HELO
[23:00:26] <PcPixel> 7=&
[23:00:38] <war9407> show the error log
[23:00:52] <PcPixel> you would ask that lol its on another machine
[23:00:58] <PcPixel> hang on ill see if i can get it sent over
[23:01:51] <PcPixel> one sec. im not at work. i ahve to get the log sent to my home system
[23:02:14] <war9407> ok
[23:04:50] <PcPixel> ok got it
[23:04:54] <PcPixel> one sec while i pastebin it
[23:05:30] <PcPixel> http://pastebin.com/d2f024e14
[23:05:39] <PcPixel> this isnt the complete log, but its the grep that details all the errors from this company
[23:06:20] <PcPixel> what i think is happening is something on their end is misconfigured. and my reject_unknown_helo_hostname is catching it
[23:06:36] <PcPixel> im on vacation, as is their IT guy, but im at home trying to fix this
[23:06:47] <PcPixel> accounting isnt too happy with me right now :P
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[23:10:43] <PcPixel> war9407: whatcha think?
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[23:15:05] <PcPixel> ?
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[23:16:32] <x86> how do I silently drop email destined for a non-existant user, instead of sending a MAILER-DAEMON message back to the sender?
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[23:16:39] <PcPixel> use DISCARD
[23:17:42] <x86> where?
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[23:19:44] <PcPixel> what if i put a check_client_access or something similar before teh reject_unknown_helo_hostname
[23:19:53] <PcPixel> if an OK comes back it should not perform the next test then right>?
[23:21:16] <PcPixel> balls.
[23:21:21] <PcPixel> for right now, im just commenting out that check
[23:21:32] <PcPixel> i know im gonna let other stuff in, but i cant have this blocked
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[23:24:35] <PcPixel> x86: why dont you want an answer send back?
[23:24:41] <PcPixel> (sorry was working on my own problem)
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[23:26:32] <PcPixel> bingo. thats the problem.
[23:26:39] <PcPixel> i just need to figure out how to circumvent that check now
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[23:33:26] <x86> PcPixel: because we get so much spam it kills our upstream bandwidth sending mailer daemon messages
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[23:33:41] <PcPixel> x86: Aaaaah
[23:33:59] <PcPixel> x86: i just solved my problem. i have a friend stopping by shortly, but once i get this email off I'll ponder yours for a sec
[23:34:22] <x86> and I can't find a reliable spam solution either...
[23:34:29] <x86> spamassasin sucks balls
[23:34:40] <mwalling> how so?
[23:34:44] <PcPixel> x86: MailScanner looked like the best to me
[23:34:57] <mwalling> PcPixel: mailscanner is not a replacement for spam assassin
[23:35:08] <mwalling> its a (shitty) replacement for amavisd
[23:35:16] <PcPixel> oh yesh thats right *smack*
[23:35:17] <mwalling> 17:33 < x86> PcPixel: because we get so much spam it kills our upstream bandwidth sending mailer daemon messages
[23:35:22] <mwalling> ^^ thats called back scatter.
[23:35:35] <PcPixel> well i could never get amasivd to function correctly nor mailscanner
[23:35:35] <PcPixel> so
[23:35:36] <x86> right
[23:35:36] <PcPixel> lol
[23:35:45] <PcPixel> ok now that ive got my problem fixed...
[23:35:48] <x86> we're using clam and I'm not pleased
[23:35:55] <PcPixel> clam is just AV i though
[23:35:59] <PcPixel> thought
[23:36:02] <mwalling> clamav is not a replacement for SA either
[23:36:03] <x86> it keeps sending me emails saying it can't download updated virus definitions and all kinds of crap
[23:36:08] <x86> right
[23:36:11] <x86> we use SA and clam
[23:36:17] <mwalling> THEN FIX IT
[23:36:24] <x86> not sure how
[23:36:27] <PcPixel> crap friend is here
[23:36:31] <mwalling> read the documentation?
[23:36:34] <PcPixel> ill mull it over & if i think of anything ill let you know
[23:36:34] <x86> I'm not the one that set it up, no idea anything about SA
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[23:37:25] <mwalling> x86: set up amavisd, follow its (excellent) postfix documentation, and configure that to use SA and ClamAV
[23:37:31] <mwalling> also,
[23:37:34] <mwalling> !cheatsheet
[23:37:35] <knoba> mwalling: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[23:37:39] <mwalling> read that
[23:38:37] <x86> nice!
[23:38:39] <x86> thanks :)
[23:39:04] <mwalling> and fix your backscatter problem
[23:39:26] <mwalling> you shouldnt be using *any* upstream bandwidth sending bounces
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[23:40:09] <x86> how do you figure? :)
[23:40:14] <x86> it floods my internet pipe
[23:40:23] <x86> aka "upstream" heh
[23:40:42] <mwalling> because if you arent spewing backscatter, you wouldnt have that problem
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