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[00:33:41] <serialthrilla> i need a quick pointer
[00:34:02] <serialthrilla> is there a postfix transport for the spamassassin spamd daemon?
[00:34:30] <serialthrilla> such as running the content filter in a daemon mode instead of the command line mode (where it uses spamc)
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[01:20:29] <serialthrilla> spampd?
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[01:21:16] <Lars_G> ga ga ga ga
[01:21:35] <Lars_G> serialthrilla: amavis
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[01:27:05] <serialthrilla> i'm seeing that amavis is dead, and that there's a amavisd-new
[01:28:39] <serialthrilla> yea amavisd-new looks like the rocket for my pocket thanks!
[01:32:07] <mwalling> !amavisd-new
[01:32:07] <knoba> mwalling: "amavisd-new" : amavisd-new is a high-performance and reliable interface between mailer (MTA) and one or more content checkers. See http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
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[02:14:54] <Rockj> Where should I look to automagically drop emails which scores over 10 ? I see no point in delivering them as tagged spam when score is that high.
[02:15:09] <Rockj> Using workaround tutorial as base (postfix with amavisd-new)
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[02:18:03] <Rockj> Is there a amavisd-new help channel or is it okey to ask in here?
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[02:26:36] <serialthrilla> i suppose a header check inside postfix upon re-injection
[02:28:25] <serialthrilla> http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html#actions
[02:28:29] <serialthrilla> perhaps useful
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[02:34:26] <Rockj> serialthrilla, I think maybe setting   final_spam_destiny to D_DISCARD and make sure kill_level is 10 should fix it maybe. Since mails over tag2 gets "spammy" and still gets delivered, but after going over kill level they are spam and will follow final_spam_destiny if im not wrong
[02:34:32] <Rockj> but I want to be sure before doing it :)
[02:35:45] <serialthrilla> that does appear to be correct from what i've read so far... i was just introduced to amavisd-new about 2 hours ago though
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[02:48:56] <Rockj> Another thing I noticed, is how many users who can't configure their Exchange servers when it comes to ehlo-hostname.
[02:59:24] <Lars_G> Rockj: And whine if you tighten the rfc
[03:05:56] <Rockj> *nods*
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[08:17:51] <devurandom> Hi!
[08:17:54] <devurandom> Is it possible to run a smtp server for a domain on a non-standard port? MX does not support this, but would smtp servers support SRV? Or is there another method?
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[08:18:37] <Motoko-chan> You can run on an arbitrary port for clients, but acting as an MX basically needs port 25 accessible.
[08:20:47] <devurandom> Hm. :(
[08:21:08] <devurandom> So I need to set the MX to a server that is accessible on 25 and then forward the mail from there?
[08:25:46] <Motoko-chan> Yes.
[08:26:07] <Motoko-chan> Are you trying to run a mail server from a residential internet connection?
[08:27:59] <devurandom> No.
[08:28:08] <devurandom> From my university.
[08:34:58] <Motoko-chan> Oh.
[08:35:10] <Motoko-chan> Good luck, and make sure it is allowed per the AUP.
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[08:47:36] <devurandom> Motoko-chan: Talked to them already. They told me it would not work to setup a mailserver. But I guess they did not have people moving with a whole domain into their range. ;)
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[08:55:47] <aldin> hi, is there some OSS app that uses postfix log file and inserts in in to database - so i could manipulate with data querying?
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[09:05:46] <f3ew> aldin no
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[11:17:02] <snadge> how do i test sasl authentication with thunderbird?
[11:17:11] <snadge> enabling smtp auth _should_ do this right?
[11:17:36] <Zelest> enabling it as in "force" it, yes.
[11:18:00] <jMCg> I don't know. I test it with nc or telnet or openssl s_client.
[11:18:49] <recw> hi2all: where is better to install mail server  - on the pc witch is a router - or in localnet with port mapping from this pc-router?
[11:21:52] * f3ew would do it on the router
[11:28:05] <recw> i also think in this way) if its in localnet - does it means that i need to install dns-server and configure to all pc in LAN to handle queries with that dns-server?
[11:29:32] <recw> or it's allright and  they can send mail with dns from my ISP?
[11:29:42] <snadge> dammit.. sasl isnt working, i _thought_ i had tested this
[11:29:54] <snadge> except mail clients fall back to using just plain unauthenticated.. without giving an error
[11:30:02] <snadge> and the ip i was testing it from was whitelisted :/
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[11:33:21] <snadge> how do i test using s_client?
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[11:36:07] <dragonheart> openssl s_client -connect mail.host:25 -starttls smtp -showcerts
[11:37:51] <snadge> ok that works.. but if i connect on port 465.. it connects, but does nothing
[11:37:59] <snadge> just says connected :/
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[11:38:59] <snadge> then it says 250 8BITMIME .. is that right?
[11:39:20] <dragonheart> ewil a 465 don't use the -starttls smtp
[11:40:01] <snadge> aye of course
[11:40:01] <dragonheart> did it show certificate information?
[11:40:05] <snadge> yes
[11:40:23] <dragonheart> thats good
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[11:43:04] <snadge> ok so i just authenticated successfully.. argh
[11:43:23] <snadge> i mean thats good, but one user is having problems sending mail still
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[12:25:29] <recw> why ms office can't pass test on sending e-mail? my main.cf http://pastebin.ru/295049
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[12:27:56] <recw> i mean ms outlook
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[12:55:35] <recw> my mail.log - why yandex.ru recieving my emails sometimes and mail.ru don't want do that? http://pastebin.ru/295050
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[13:22:20] <spiekey> hi
[13:22:50] <spiekey> i am trying to collect my mails with fetchmail. but get this error: postfix/lmtp[25726]: 3219149BD: to=<suxx@localhost>, relay=none, delay=0.07, delays=0.07/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to server.com[/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp]: No such file or directory)
[13:23:06] <spiekey> ls -alh /var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp
[13:23:07] <spiekey> srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2008-07-03 19:25 /var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp
[13:23:12] <spiekey> any ideas?
[13:25:35] 
[13:28:14] <spiekey> yey!
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[13:30:49] <dragonheart> recw: looks like the mail.ru is overburdened with email. What to do? offer to setup more servers for them or just accept it as someone elses problem
[13:34:24] <recw> dragonheart: i think it's problem on my side - just i don't knowexactly what parameteres i should edit - mail.ru and yandex.ru - are the main mail servers in russia
[13:35:30] <sysmonk> /dev/null em
[13:35:39] <recw> yandex replied 'Too many simultaneous
[13:35:39] <recw> connections to this server'
[13:36:12] <dragonheart> yes - only one of those is caused by you.
[13:36:25] <dragonheart> therefore not your problem
[13:37:50] <recw> ok - but how i can control this connections - maybe i must set some limit parameter? but where?
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[14:43:47] <jMCg> Hi folks.
[14:44:18] <Trengo> hi
[14:44:45] <jMCg> I have postfix server running as open relay.
[14:44:50] <jMCg> Not good.
[14:45:34] <onre> stop it. :p
[14:45:49] <jMCg> I reasons are: It's running behind a load-balancer and is hence IP unaware, it's also running in a network that is pretty much DNS agnostic -- and I had to configure whitelists for all domains of all our labels.
[14:46:05] <jMCg> Hence making it an half-open-relay.
[14:47:02] <jMCg> Now I'm trying to figure out a work-around, until this thing is replaced by an exchange server, because as it is now, it's a security threat.
[14:49:13] <sysmonk> oh sure
[14:49:17] <sysmonk> exchange is less insecure
[14:49:30] <sysmonk> don't use postfix at all, it's teh biggest security threat around
[14:49:40] <jMCg> sysmonk: shush.
[14:49:45] <jMCg> I use postfix everywhere.
[14:49:52] <sysmonk> except when you use exchange
[14:49:52] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:49:59] <Trengo> exchange is the worst, sorry
[14:50:09] <sysmonk> nah, i think qmail is worse
[14:50:11] <jMCg> But using it in such a rediculous environment I don't want to.
[14:50:13] <Trengo> or maybe it is the people setting them up
[14:50:15] <sysmonk> but it's my imho
[14:50:29] <sysmonk> Trengo: maybe that ;)
[14:50:30] <jMCg> I'm giving the mail infrastructure out of my hand for this environment, and I'm very happy about it.
[14:50:46] <sysmonk> jMCg: oh, sure, you think exchange will do better in that env?
[14:50:48] <Trengo> sysmonk i mean leaving them open relaying
[14:51:11] <jMCg> sysmonk: honestly, I don't give two fucks about it. I'm just happy to get out of that madness.
[14:51:28] <sysmonk> how bout 3 ?
[14:51:41] <jMCg> Not even three.
[14:51:43] <sysmonk> the best solution would be to hire a sysadmin
[14:51:50] <sysmonk> but sure, you can install exchange
[14:52:45] * jMCg strangulates sysmonk
[14:52:56] <jMCg> I'm not installing exchange.
[14:53:15] <jMCg> I have no idea how to use Windows as Desktop, letalone server.
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[14:54:09] <sysmonk> never do i, but i do have coworkers sitting around using windows
[14:54:18] <sysmonk> and i see that they use some special device
[14:54:25] <sysmonk> what's it called...
[14:54:29] <Trengo> mouse?
[14:54:31] <sysmonk> err a rat
[14:54:37] <sysmonk> yeah, i think
[14:54:38] <onre> oh yea
[14:54:39] <rob0> s/using/being used by/
[14:54:43] <sysmonk> although i don't remember if it's a rat or a mouse
[14:54:47] * shasta uses rob0
[14:54:54] <sysmonk> rob0: :))
[14:54:58] <onre> tr00 0ldsk00l unix weirdos only use 80x25 text mode
[14:55:05] <Trengo> 80x50
[14:55:14] <Trengo> really tiny chars
[14:55:22] <Trengo> actually, 123x50
[14:55:22] <f3ew> 80x25++
[14:55:25] <Trengo> a32
[14:55:29] <onre> they enjoy other aspects of their life equally
[14:55:30] <Trengo> duh i cant type
[14:55:31] <rob0> 128x44 framebuffer
[14:55:44] <shasta> 154x63 konsole
[14:56:02] <onre> dozens of xterms and twm on a bitmap display
[14:56:03] <f3ew> 80x25++ is a space odyssey
[14:56:06] <sysmonk> errr
[14:56:07] <sysmonk> what console?
[14:56:16] <sysmonk> my punchcard machine doesn't have a console
[14:56:17] <f3ew> KDE thing
[14:56:19] <rob0> I wish there was FB modes for widescreen, and dual monitor support
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[14:56:30] <Trengo> a tty?
[14:56:31] <onre> sysmonk, c'mon. get a  teletype, that's the future
[14:56:51] <Trengo> punchcard consoles do have a display
[14:56:59] * f3ew pulls out the glass blowing tools
[14:57:08] <Trengo> like the old HP pocket calculators?
[14:57:23] <Trengo> we had a few in the airforce
[14:57:28] <shasta> http://toxcorp.com/fun/choose_your_future.gif  <- one of my favourites
[14:57:35] <rob0> space odyssey ... groan
[14:58:08] <rob0> f3ew, didn't you get the memo! Bad jokes are supposed to come from rob0!
[14:59:09] * f3ew outpuns rob0
[15:00:50] <kilm> what's the better way to have an uniq interface using a different content_filters and smtpd_recipient_restrictions depending on the user is authenticated or not (or should I use policy service or milter ?)
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[15:08:06] <rob0> 1. Huh? 2. Maybe.
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[15:15:12] <kilm> I think it's usual that a server needs to accept from the same external interface : 1) anonymous mailserver emails to existing local users only; 2) authenticated local users sending emails to anybody but from their home (not from LAN)
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[15:59:03] <linderox> i telneted to my localhost for testing postfix...cause i have problems.. and typed telnet localhost 110, user user *****, dovecot +Ok and then list....
[15:59:48] <Nockian> what are you typing exactly, it gets a bit unreadable on one line
[15:59:55] <Nockian> user foo
[16:00:00] <Nockian> password bar
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[16:00:03] <Nockian> list
[16:00:05] <Nockian> ?
[16:00:16] <shasta> you didn't telnet to postfix.
[16:00:26] <shasta> you telnetted to your pop3 daemon
[16:00:34] <shasta> postfix has _nothing_ to do with it
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[16:00:41] <shasta> consult your pop3 server documentation
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[16:04:47] <rob0> Read the POP3 protocol description (RFC's 1939 & 2449) if you need to learn POP3.
[16:08:17] * mwalling gets his mail per RFC 1149 and 2549
[16:08:42] <rob0> silly, those are TRANSPORT protocols
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[16:09:03] <rob0> bird brain mwalling
[16:09:16] <mwalling> yes
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[16:09:33] <mwalling> i read my mail by analizing the pidgeon shit on my car roof
[16:10:08] <rob0> No, there's where you went wrong. You need a car port.
[16:10:17] <linderox> i use dovecot
[16:10:37] <rob0> aha, but doves are similar to pigeons!
[16:11:01] <linderox> but before there were no problems with list...
[16:12:10] <linderox> i have 2 problems 1st with dovecot... it is doesn't show number of mails... and i cant send letter to the local recepient... but not a problem to send to the internet
[16:12:30] <mwalling> welcome to #postfix
[16:12:34] <rob0> indeed
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[16:14:41] <as84> Hello all
[16:14:43] <as84> i have set postfix with SASL for Authentification but set the type to dovecot, so it identificates through dovecot virtual users
[16:14:50] <as84> thing is whenever I generate the mencode4 string for say webmaster at mydomain dot com
[16:14:57] <as84> i see this in the log
[16:15:02] <as84> dovecot: auth(default): client out: FAIL  3       user=webmaster.com
[16:15:23] <as84> I don't think the problem is with dovecot but more with postfix, I am a bit stuck at thinking on how to troubleshoot what could cause that
[16:15:29] <as84> any help would be appreciated
[16:17:46] <rob0> I think the problem is that you're using perl to test, and you didn't realize that "@" has a special meaning in perl.
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[16:18:37] <as84> rob0, yeah I am using perl to generate the encoded string as suggested in the postfix doc
[16:18:49] <as84> is there a way to escape the "@" ?
[16:19:33] <rob0> I think the example in the Postfix document shows the escape.
[16:22:30] <shasta> use ' instead of "
[16:22:47] <shasta> @ isn't evaluated between 's
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[16:25:33] <webar7> can I get postfix to relay to different upstream servers based on the sender address?
[16:26:33] <rob0> !sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[16:26:34] <knoba> rob0: "sender_dependent_relayhost_maps" : A configuration directive in main.cf for sender based message routing. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html# sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[16:26:42] <webar7> if sending from user at domain dot com relay to smtp.provider.com if sending from user@otherdomain relay to smtp.other.com
[16:26:52] <webar7> ooh cool!
[16:27:01] <webar7> wheee!!!!
[16:27:22] <shasta> that factoid has broken url, btw
[16:27:26] <shasta> !forget sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[16:27:44] <shasta> !learn sender_dependent_relayhost_maps as a configuration directive in main.cf for sender based message routing. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[16:27:51] <shasta> !sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[16:27:51] <knoba> shasta: "sender_dependent_relayhost_maps" : a configuration directive in main.cf for sender based message routing. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[16:27:55] <shasta> better
[16:28:33] <rob0> indeed
[16:29:10] <webar7> nice ircbot ... which one is it :)
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[16:30:04] <mwalling> !knoba
[16:30:05] <knoba> mwalling: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)
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[16:30:47] <rob0> which what who?
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[16:32:08] <webar7> nice
[16:32:26] <webar7> what format would a sender_dependent_relayhost_maps file take?
[16:32:39] <shasta> type:table
[16:32:47] <webar7> sender_dependent_relayhost_maps = hash:/some/file/name.db
[16:33:07] <rob0> "The tables are searched by the envelope sender address and @domain."
[16:33:08] <webar7> what's in /some/file/name
[16:33:17] <shasta> usually without .db
[16:33:32] <webar7> ah right :)
[16:33:35] <shasta> RTFM, kthxplz.
[16:33:39] <rob0> Oh, then you have a lot more reading to do, you need to understand transport(5).
[16:34:05] <as84> guys, when adding authentification in postfix, would postfix still forbid relays to the accounts that authenticate?
[16:34:15] <webar7> I have transport tables and a more complicated virtual mail host setup on another system
[16:34:21] <mwalling> !basic
[16:34:21] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[16:34:45] <rob0> sender@address  transport:nexthop
[16:35:08] <rob0> sender@address  :nexthop
[16:35:15] <webar7> if all I have to do is put    @othercomain.com   smtp:smtp.provider.com that seems too easy
[16:35:16] <rob0> sender@address  transport:
[16:36:03] <webar7> ok but I will have to make it look more technical and difficult when I present this to my colleagues though
[16:36:18] * rob0 tries to understand "still forbid relays to the accounts that authenticate"
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[16:37:08] <webar7> maybe he means "that are required to authenticate"
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[16:38:01] <webar7> or "if an account authenticates can they start relaying?"  :-)
[16:38:08] <webar7> in that case the answer is no
[16:38:19] <as84> rob0... I have installed postfix and SASL.. accounts can authenticate against the smtp server, but i guess a relay denied when trying to send an email
[16:38:27] <webar7> that's the mailservers domain not for users
[16:38:55] <rob0> !sasl
[16:38:55] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[16:39:23] <rob0> If you're getting "relay denied" with working SASL, you didn't follow the instructions.
[16:39:25] <webar7> postfix needs to know it can send mail for those users
[16:39:38] <as84> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject_unauth_destination
[16:39:45] <as84> i don't see what else I need
[16:39:59] <rob0> !outlook
[16:40:00] <knoba> rob0: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work.
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[16:43:32] <as84> rob0, works fine with thunderbird
[16:43:34] <as84> thanks
[16:43:48] <rob0> Twice I read your mind.
[16:44:00] <netcrash> Hello, I'm trying to direct local received mail through a maildrop service but with no success ... Any tips on how can act ?
[16:45:44] <as84> rob0 :)
[16:47:25] <netcrash> tryed virtual_transport and with no result , transport_maps only acts on mail going out (smtp,relay) , did not work in this case...
[16:48:03] <rob0> !address_class
[16:48:03] <knoba> rob0: Error: "address_class" is not a valid command.
[16:48:06] <rob0> !address_classes
[16:48:07] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
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[16:56:33] <as84> !list
[16:56:33] <knoba> as84: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Factoids, Internet, Karma, Misc, Owner, Praise, Seen, Services, User, and Utilities
[16:56:49] <as84> !Karma
[16:56:50] <knoba> as84: Highest karma: "Active2" (2), "jMCg" (1), and "ChrisH" (1).  Lowest karma: "greenman" (0), "jMCg" (1), and "ChrisH" (1).
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[16:58:11] <Lars_G> What am I doing here?
[16:58:16] <Lars_G> did I sleep here?
[16:58:19] <Lars_G> was I raped?
[16:59:16] <octagon> anyone who can tell me if there is something wrong with the order:> smtpd_recipient_restrictions =  permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, reject_rhsbl_sender mx04.nnab.net, permit
[16:59:34] <octagon> mail from * at mx04 dot nnab.net is not blocked, that's for sure
[17:00:03] <octagon> howerver, the mailserver is not acting as a relay for everyone to use, so I guess it's only the blacklist that's not working
[17:00:45] <netcrash> rob0: thanks , will read
[17:02:53] <rob0> !reject_rhsbl_sender
[17:02:53] <knoba> rob0: Error: "reject_rhsbl_sender" is not a valid command.
[17:03:14] <rob0> Does octagon know what reject_rhsbl_sender means?
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[17:03:30] <rob0> !access
[17:03:30] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[17:04:10] <rob0> Lars_G: it was ugly. Lucky you slept through it. It was a spectacle none of us will soon forget.
[17:04:27] <rob0> I can't believe you're not sore!
[17:08:31] <vice-versa> octagon: a RHSBL functions similar to a DNSBL but lists domain names rather than IP addresses
[17:08:49] <webar7> Lars_G, people didn't really see anything
[17:09:15] <vice-versa> octagon: your understanding of reject_rhsbl_sender is misconstrued as rob0 rhetorically pointed out
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[17:28:55] <rob0> A good general rule of thumb is, "don't put stuff in your Postfix configuration if you don't understand what it does."
[17:29:22] <kilm> I take the risk to ask again my (dumb ?) question : is there a built-in option to choose a filter depending on the authenticated status of the client on a given interface ? (or must I create a script and add two more local interfaces with their own filters (and set smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header to yes) ?)
[17:29:23] <octagon> r0b0: in the wrong place I guess.. should be in smtpd_sender_restrictions, right ?
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[17:31:50] <vice-versa> octagon: no, you're simply not using it correctly
[17:31:52] <webar7> hmm added sender_dependent_relayhost_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/relayhost_maps
[17:31:57] <webar7> but no joy
[17:32:57] <webar7>   /usr/local/etc/postfix/relayhost_maps has:    *@hostname     smtp:mailout.easydns.com:465    .....
[17:33:20] <webar7> is:      *@hostname     smtp:mailout.easydns.com:465    .
[17:33:23] <webar7> bad :)
[17:33:31] <octagon> vice-versa, "smtpd_sender_restrictions  	 Optional  	Reject MAIL FROM information", so it sounds like I need to specify restrictions on the from information under smtpd_sender_restrictions
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[17:34:45] <webar7> (i'm getting error messages back from my other relayhost =
[17:35:59] <vice-versa> octagon: it's clear you do not understand what reject_rhsbl_sender is for, it's actually not what you want to use in this case
[17:36:02] <vice-versa> !tell octagon access
[17:36:25] <octagon> check_sender_access ... yes
[17:36:52] <octagon> for some reason that one isn't cooperating either
[17:37:41] <octagon> smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etcpostfix/blacklist
[17:38:03] <octagon> and it contains one single line "mx04.nnab.net		REJECT"
[17:38:07] <vice-versa> /etcpostfix/ ?
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[17:38:35] <octagon> vice-versa, something went wrong between the terminal and x-chat..
[17:38:40] <octagon> the config file has it all ok
[17:39:21] <octagon> smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/blacklist
[17:39:40] <octagon> postmap hash:/etc/postfix/blacklist
[17:40:09] <octagon> mail from test at mx04 dot nnab.net is accepted..
[17:42:33] <vice-versa> postmap query your blacklist hash, postmap -q mx04.nnab.net hash:/etc/postfix/blacklist
[17:43:17] <octagon> it says REJECT
[17:47:52] <vice-versa> where are you testing this from?
[17:49:04] <vice-versa> ...the mail from test at mx04 dot nnab.net
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[17:52:56] <pgega>  hi there recently the /tmp directory on one of mail servers had been filled with temporary clamav-c6cc1feaae8c3f45f77a8cbf19640005/bounceT1pANK file. I am not administrating mail servers , but I had been ask to sort out which process created the file  the scamscan or the clamd. Would you know how could I sort it out ?
[17:53:24] <rob0> octagon: paste right here in the channel, these 2 lines:
[17:53:29] <rob0> postconf smtpd_sender_restrictions
[17:53:36] <octagon> vice-versa, from the same server room as the mail server (via vpn)
[17:53:57] <rob0> and the single log line showing the mail from mx04.nnab.net being accepted
[17:54:51] <octagon> "smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/blacklist"
[17:55:35] <rob0> the log which shows the SENDER address, which is what you were checking
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[17:56:04] <rob0> postfix/qmgr I guess it would be
[17:56:18] <octagon> seems like it's working now?
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[17:57:04] <octagon> after mail from:<address> it didn't complain, but after typing rcpt to:<address>, it did tell me that the sender was not accepted
[17:58:48] <rob0> mx04.nnab.net as a CLIENT address is not the same thing as sender at mx04 dot nnab.net
[17:59:15] <rob0> furthermore, the whole concept of blocking by sender address suggests a lack of understanding of SMTP
[17:59:56] <octagon> oh? so the only acceptable thing is to block a domain that is connecting to the smtp server ?
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[18:00:09] <rob0> um, ???
[18:00:28] <rob0> acceptable? I can accept anything you want to do. Doesn't matter to me.
[18:00:40] <octagon> what's wrong with blocking by sender address ?
[18:00:55] <octagon> I was told to block this spammer out
[18:01:06] <rob0> "This spammer"
[18:01:35] <rob0> Did you know that about 0.1% or less of all spam uses addresses under the spammer's control?
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[18:04:01] <rob0> Are you aware of the "joe job"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job
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[18:05:49] <kisielk> Okay, question. I want mail delivery to proceed as normal, but for a couple of addresses I also want the mail delivered to another SMTP server. How can I set that up?
[18:06:41] <mwalling> !alias
[18:06:41] <knoba> mwalling: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps
[18:06:48] <octagon> rob0, the best solution is to block by client ip/domain, then ?
[18:08:33] <kisielk> mwalling: well, I know it's some type of aliasing, but how do I perform both local delivery and to the other address? I'm not sure how to specify that in an alias. Can you give an example?
[18:09:29] <mwalling> aliases(5)
[18:11:13] <kisielk> like I said, I have read the documentation, but still don't quite understand how to forward *and* deliver as normal
[18:11:46] <jduggan> always_bcc
[18:12:48] <kisielk> jduggan: I want it for only a few addresses
[18:13:12] <vice-versa> octagon: too many unknowns ... someone told you to block the spammer out? is it actually spam or just unwanted mail? did you review any evidence, headers, log files at all?
[18:14:20] <octagon> vice-versa, my boss gave me an address to blacklist
[18:14:51] <octagon> now it's done, and I'm not going to do any more work today (so I'm going to turn on my private debian box instead)
[18:15:08] <octagon> thanks for your assistance
[18:15:09] <octagon> !
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[18:16:15] <vice-versa> great, blind leading the blind
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[18:32:02] <rob0> At least he was polite, that is worthy of note.
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[18:33:53] <vice-versa> yeah, but that's the kind of shit that eventually leads to abominations like, "my boss wanted to be able to send mail no matter where he was, after skimming the docs it looks like mynetworks in what I need to use, so I set mynetworks = 0.0.0.0/0, seems to be working fine so far" :(
[18:33:54] <rob0> He knows who signs his paycheck, he does what that person asks, he goes home to enjoy the weekend.
[18:34:08] <rob0> yeah
[18:35:28] <webar7> now that I am useing sender specific relayhosts
[18:35:45] <webar7> the old default relayhost is getting ignored
[18:35:47] <webar7> sigh
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[18:42:52] <webar7> I have sender_dependent_relayhost_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/relayhost_maps
[18:42:54] <webar7> with
[18:43:41] <webar7> webar7 at myhost dot com    smtp:mailout.easydns.com:587
[18:43:46] <webar7> inside
[18:43:58] <webar7> I postmap'ed and restarted postfix
[18:44:36] <webar7> but I get:
[18:44:40] <webar7> fatal: valid hostname or network address required in server description: smtp:mailout.easydns.com:587
[18:45:00] <kisielk> ok I figured it out. Basically the alias has to reference itself first. eg: 'foo: foo foo at otherdomain dot com'
[18:48:23] <rob0> What webar7 pasted here had a ^I (tab) on the end of the line.
[18:48:33] <webar7> sigh
[18:49:47] <webar7> I thought postmap would catch that
[18:49:56] * webar7 tries cleaning
[18:50:08] <rob0> not sure if that fixes it, oh, also enclose the hostname in [] to inhibit MX lookup (unless you want MX lookup of course)
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[18:50:43] <webar7> still fails ... will try []
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[18:53:42] <webar7> still fails ... but this message  warning: private/smtp socket: malformed response
[18:53:54] <webar7> makes me think it could be firewall?
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[18:56:41] <{aaron}> hi guys, i appear to be having a problem with my virtual domain aliases map which I just started usnig
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[18:56:56] <{aaron}> i am using regexp style, but can't match the whole address, only user name
[18:57:05] <{aaron}> e.g. /user/ use at otherdomain dot com works
[18:57:21] <{aaron}> but /user at incoming\ dot com/ user@otherdomain never matches
[18:57:42] <{aaron}> since I intend to virtual alias several domains, I think i need to make that distinction between domain in address.. :(
[18:58:57] <{aaron}> hmm it seems pretty clear my map is only recieving 'user' and not 'user at incoming dot com' full address
[18:59:59] <{aaron}> i wonder if it is stripping it because that username is actually a local user name ... ?
[19:04:18] <rob0> "virtual domain aliases map", is this virtual_alias_maps ?
[19:04:52] <Lars_G> rob0: do you remember all config variables by name?
[19:05:31] <{aaron}> yes
[19:05:37] <rob0> Probably all of the common ones, yes.
[19:05:54] <{aaron}> virtual_alias_map = regexp:/etc/postfix/regex_aliases
[19:06:03] <{aaron}> er, maps
[19:06:21] <{aaron}> btw postmap -q works with all my queries
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[19:06:50] <{aaron}> postmap -q user at incoming dot com regexp:regex_aliases yields the right thing
[19:07:00] <rob0> Did you know that virtual_alias_maps applies to all mail? And an expression like "/user/" is going to match a whole lot more than you want?
[19:07:03] <{aaron}> so it seems like the input string isn't fully qualified
[19:07:15] <{aaron}> rob0: yes. i know. which is why i want to match against incoming domain.
[19:07:52] <Lars_G> rob0: I still need to configure pam for winbind :(
[19:08:37] <rob0> Anchor both ends of the expression, use your @domain\.tld$ in them
[19:09:00] <{aaron}> i tried, but i'll try again
[19:09:05] <rob0> (Might be a good case for an if / at domain\ dot tld$/ ... endif
[19:09:07] <rob0> )
[19:10:36] <{aaron}> yeah, making the regex more specific is not helping becuase the input string is not 'user at incoming dot com' it's just 'user'
[19:10:44] <{aaron}> is there a way I can get deubg to come out of the evaluation?
[19:10:48] <rob0> context needed
[19:11:06] <{aaron}> i'll pastebin one sec
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[19:15:12] <{aaron}> http://pastebin.com/m2182a1cd
[19:16:53] <{aaron}> ^user. also matches, so there is some next character but I don't know what it is, and it doesn't match @
[19:17:31] * {aaron} looks for logging level
[19:18:45] <rob0> I still haven't seen any non-verbose logs.
[19:19:36] <rob0> And that map was munged beyond all possible usefulness.
[19:20:56] <adaptr> one of those, eh ?
[19:21:05] <adaptr> how much are we charging 'im ?
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[20:20:08] <{aaron}> figured it out.  I think the virtual alias domains infrastructure makes several passes with different input strings. one of those was pre-emptively matching my catch all.  i had to fully qualify the catch-all
[20:20:53] <{aaron}> interestingly it the input string string was actually the local machine name
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[21:25:31] <mwalling> Motoko-chan: :)
[21:25:55] <Motoko-chan> Yes?
[21:26:11] <mwalling> strat ;)
[21:27:55] <Motoko-chan> ?
[21:28:41] <mwalling> nvm
[21:30:06] <rob0> um, no nvm, I wanna hear it :)
[21:31:45] <mwalling> rob0: pasted elsewhere for your reading pleasure
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[21:35:56] <Motoko-chan> ...
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[21:40:51] <rob0> Nice job Motoko-chan.
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[21:52:20] <Lars_G> ldap and hard drugs are a match made in heaven
[21:52:27] <Lars_G> rob0: I got the bitch to work
[21:52:42] <Lars_G> postfix+dovecot against AD using LDAP and pam+kerberos5
[21:54:05] * vice-versa shudders
[21:56:14] <Lars_G> yeah
[21:56:16] <Lars_G> you tell me
[21:56:29] <Lars_G> Thanfully by next year we would've moved to OpenLDAP+Samba+Gosa
[22:04:07] <vice-versa> I would prefer to have a recipients lists extracted from the AD data and pushed to the MTA myself
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[22:39:15] <Rabble_Leader> question: How do I enable access to another user's email on my server?
[22:39:57] <Rabble_Leader> I can clarify that I'm not spying.  I have accidentally set up two users ... both of which are me.
[22:40:45] <Rabble_Leader> I know I forwarded root and etc to myself.  Can I do the same thing for the other user.  And how?  I've forgotten
[22:42:59] <Rabble_Leader> can I chmod the other user directory to be owned by me?
[22:49:36] <Rabble_Leader> I mean chown?
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[23:16:10] <lysander> Rabbie_Leader ? :D
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[23:48:59] <sysmonk> lysander: that question was to hard for him :)
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