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[01:17:40] <Rockj> " Helo> command rejected: Host not found;" ,  anyone had this issue with clients using Apple Mail? I tried adding "smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated" and "smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated" without any luck. I want to keep required_helo on, due to use of policyd-weight.
[01:19:00] <shasta> pastebin your postconf -n
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[01:22:36] <Rockj> http://pastebin.ca/1060895
[01:22:45] <Rockj> oh, maybe I should try add it on smtpd_helo_restrictions .
[01:23:11] <Rockj> damnit, Apple gui went offline - so won't be able to test until tomorrow :/
[01:23:28] <Rockj> s/gui/guy/g
[01:25:20] <lunaphyte> what you should do is configure the mail client to supply a valid hostname.
[01:25:20] <lunaphyte> mail.app is perfectly capable if doing that.
[01:25:20] <lunaphyte> *of
[01:26:30] <Rockj> I guess I'll have to look on his Mac tomorrow, I've never used Apple Mail myself.
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[01:33:34] <xpoint> mattx86, in webmail its simple to let the webmail app do a sodo sa.learn
[01:34:32] <xpoint> mattx86, solves that headers is not manglede
[01:35:01] <xpoint> scripts will mangle headers render training not usefull
[01:35:13] <olliu> what exit codes does postfix understund apart from tempfail and unavailable?
[01:35:42] <TuxPat> hi, why this line in master.cf give me error :
[01:35:42] <TuxPat> flags=DRhu user=vmail:mail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -d $(recipient)
[01:36:15] <xpoint> id vmail
[01:36:19] <xpoint> id mail
[01:36:31] <xpoint> deliver in dovecot olso need sender
[01:37:29] <xpoint> yes someting like this
[01:38:14] <TuxPat> ok but for id vmail and id mail what you tell?
[01:40:49] <xpoint> http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix
[01:42:44] <TuxPat> yeah the fault was a missed white space
[01:42:45] <TuxPat> :)
[01:43:48] <xpoint> that id wmail should have write acces to all virtual users mailbox if thay have diff uid :-)
[01:46:36] <TuxPat> yeah my problem is that i migrate from a freebsd server to a debian server
[01:46:52] <TuxPat> so i have to make everything work
[01:49:40] <TuxPat> xpoint, can i make other questions for you ? :)
[01:49:41] <xpoint> reverse it :)
[01:50:07] <TuxPat> :)
[01:50:15] <xpoint> debian is worse then freebsd, so why did you need to change ?
[01:50:36] <xpoint> compile time was a issue ?
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[01:51:09] <TuxPat> but on freebsd you can give option compile so you are sure that it work on debian is different
[01:51:18] <TuxPat> now i have this problem too :
[01:51:22] <TuxPat> relay=dovecot, delay=0.46, delays=0.42/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)
[01:51:23] <TuxPat> Jul  2 23:49:42 sawyer postfix/smtpd[19686]: disconnect from an-out-0708.google.com[209.85.132.248]
[01:51:36] <shasta> "debian is worse than freebsd", right.
[01:51:44] <shasta> we all love flamewars
[01:51:49] <TuxPat> hehheeh
[01:52:00] <TuxPat> only in IMHO
[01:52:23] <TuxPat> i remember before that my relay was virtual
[01:52:42] <TuxPat> what is the different beetwen relay=virtual and relay= dovecot
[01:52:49] <xpoint> TuxPat, does login to dovecut works for this recipient ?
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[01:53:49] <xpoint> where do you see relay= dovecot ?
[01:53:49] <TuxPat> but i have the db authenticatios
[01:53:57] <TuxPat> in /var/log/mail
[01:54:34] <xpoint> search '= dovecot' in main.cf master.cf
[01:54:51] <xpoint> or even mysql maps
[01:55:12] <TuxPat> mmm i have the old db
[01:55:21] <TuxPat> and in the old db my relay was virtual
[01:55:28] <TuxPat> is this the problem?
[01:55:30] <xpoint> postconf -e 'virtual_transport=dovecot'
[01:55:56] <TuxPat> virtual_transport = dovecot
[01:56:02] <TuxPat> in my main.cf
[01:56:14] <xpoint> this should be so
[01:57:00] <TuxPat> Jul  2 23:56:40 sawyer postfix/pipe[19793]: warning: empty macro name: "$"
[01:57:02] <xpoint> dovecot -n and postconf -n on pastebin
[01:57:09] <TuxPat> ok
[01:59:11] <TuxPat> xpoint, http://rafb.net/p/roOyrT26.html
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[02:00:44] <xpoint> remove line 60 68 71
[02:02:32] <xpoint> dovecot have uid gid 125, but this is diff in virtual in postfix
[02:02:34] <TuxPat> ok i restart postfix
[02:03:27] <TuxPat> i got the same error : relay=dovecot, delay=1029, delays=1029/0.05/0/0.07, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)
[02:04:06] <xpoint> currect uid and gid first
[02:04:35] <xpoint> set them to 125 in virtual as well
[02:04:59] <xpoint> id wmail gives 125 ?
[02:05:18] <TuxPat> useradd -r -u 150 -g mail -d /var/vmail -s /sbin/nologin -c ?Virtual mailbox? vmail
[02:05:25] <TuxPat> 150
[02:05:41] <xpoint> super fix this in dovecot then ;:)
[02:06:00] <xpoint> and do this olso in virtual
[02:07:36] <TuxPat> ok i fix dovecot but virtual?
[02:08:07] <xpoint> have same uid and gid is sane secure
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[02:09:45] <TuxPat> first_valid_uid = 125 change this with 150?
[02:11:00] <xpoint> yes
[02:11:20] <xpoint> else postfix will defer it
[02:12:17] <xpoint> gid need to be what id mail gives
[02:14:25] <TuxPat> i have ever same problem :(
[02:14:52] <xpoint> sendmail -bv root
[02:14:59] <xpoint> try this
[02:15:32] <xpoint> if you have lots of defered mails this will repeat fails
[02:15:37] <TuxPat> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <root>.
[02:15:44] <xpoint> even if the problem is fixed
[02:16:04] <xpoint> see logs, see roots mail what it saty
[02:16:11] <xpoint> say even
[02:16:39] <TuxPat> but the problem is on postfix or dovecot?
[02:16:58] <xpoint> properly dovecot
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[02:19:54] <TuxPat> mmm
[02:20:14] <TuxPat> i use my db when the transport was virtual
[02:20:23] <TuxPat> this can to be a problem?
[02:20:48] <xpoint> yes
[02:20:57] <TuxPat> well
[02:21:16] <TuxPat> so if i change the transport from dovecot to virtual i can fix it?
[02:22:42] <xpoint> no
[02:23:04] <xpoint> this just change the problem
[02:23:42] <xpoint> virtual_transport = dovecot
[02:23:43] <TuxPat> xpoint, i try just now
[02:23:48] <xpoint> is correct
[02:24:00] <TuxPat> status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[02:24:01] <TuxPat> Jul  3 00:23:16 sawyer postfix/qmgr[20155]: 7D8C34209E8: removed
[02:24:19] <TuxPat> i change dovecot with virtual
[02:24:27] <xpoint> he solved
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[02:24:50] <xpoint> no, then you use postfix lda not dovecot :/(
[02:25:00] <TuxPat> yes
[02:25:09] <TuxPat> so i would like to understand why
[02:26:29] <xpoint> give me dovecot -n and postconf -n one more time now
[02:27:18] <TuxPat> ok just a moment
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[02:29:45] <TuxPat> xpoint, http://rafb.net/p/DQ71ZU13.html
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[02:31:11] <xpoint> 21 22 does not match 80
[02:32:04] <TuxPat> i have to put all at 150?
[02:33:15] <xpoint> it needs to match useradd
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[02:33:53] <xpoint> both in postfix master and postfix main.cf and dovecot
[02:34:11] <xpoint> else it will defer
[02:34:42] <TuxPat> in postfix i fix it
[02:36:18] <TuxPat> in dovecot all is set to 150
[02:36:57] <TuxPat> i have a virtual machine with xen
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[02:37:39] <TuxPat> if i see the port i see imap port but from external i don't see the imap port it is my fault or administrator fault?
[02:38:00] <xpoint> gid ned to match id mail in dovecot
[02:40:14] <TuxPat> there is a command for see gid and id of user in linux?
[02:41:32] <sahil> yes.
[02:41:50] <TuxPat> saiam, can you tell me please
[02:41:53] <TuxPat> ops
[02:42:01] <TuxPat> sahil, can you tell me?
[02:42:19] <sahil> TuxPat: man id
[02:43:17] <TuxPat> ok
[02:44:02] <TuxPat> xpoint, id is 150
[02:44:11] <TuxPat> and id -g mail give me 8
[02:44:16] <xpoint> for mail ?
[02:44:16] <TuxPat> 8 is the gid?
[02:44:40] <xpoint> yes, set this  in 21 22 then
[02:45:14] <TuxPat> yes 8 is for mail
[02:45:38] <xpoint> 21 22 change
[02:46:29] <TuxPat> ok i change it
[02:46:42] <TuxPat> now i try to put transport dovecot?
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[02:47:00] <xpoint> yes, else its postfix lda
[02:49:03] <TuxPat> with dovecot i got the same error :
[02:49:04] <TuxPat> Jul  3 00:48:38 sawyer postfix/pipe[20433]: warning: empty macro name: "$"
[02:49:04] <TuxPat> Jul  3 00:48:38 sawyer postfix/pipe[20433]: B1A394209E9: to=<riccardo at paterna dot nl>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.44, delays=0.41/0/0/0.03, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)
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[02:49:47] <sahil> TuxPat: isn't virtual_transport = virtual by default?  why do yous et it in main.cf?  or did the debian packagers compile in a different default for no apparent reason?
[02:50:03] <sahil> s/yous et/you set/
[02:50:46] <xpoint> TuxPat, stop postfix, start it
[02:51:04] <TuxPat> i do it xpoint
[02:51:19] <TuxPat> sahil, i install postfix from apt
[02:51:24] <xpoint> TuxPat, changes in master.cf need you to stop postfix
[02:51:38] <TuxPat> yes i do postfix restart
[02:51:46] <xpoint> restart is not stop !
[02:51:52] <TuxPat> ok
[02:51:54] <TuxPat> i stop it
[02:52:01] <xpoint> good
[02:52:48] <TuxPat> nothing to do :(
[02:53:36] <xpoint> after stop start it again
[02:53:42] <TuxPat> yeah
[02:53:57] <TuxPat> elay=dovecot, delay=0.6, delays=0.57/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)
[02:54:41] <xpoint> TuxPat, i give up with debian
[02:55:16] <xpoint> check dovecot logs
[02:55:25] <xpoint> permission errors
[02:55:50] <xpoint> postfix defer since deliver can write
[02:56:25] <shasta> TuxPat, what's your master.cf?
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[02:57:42] <TuxPat> dovecot   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[02:57:42] <TuxPat>   flags=DRhu user=vmail:mail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f $ (sender) -d $(recipient)
[02:57:47] <shasta> sigh
[02:57:50] <TuxPat> i add only this 2 line
[02:57:52] <shasta> and you can't spot that error?
[02:57:56] <sahil> wow
[02:57:59] <shasta> [02:49:05] < TuxPat> Jul  3 00:48:38 sawyer postfix/pipe[20433]: warning: empty macro name: "$"
[02:58:00] <sahil> dude
[02:58:02] <sahil> the *space*
[02:58:02] <xpoint> fix space TuxPat
[02:58:11] <shasta> this is *so* obvious
[02:58:29] <TuxPat> sorry
[02:58:36] <xpoint> shasta, yes i even show it on wiki
[02:58:56] <TuxPat> where is the space :S
[02:59:12] <shasta> ...
[02:59:21] <sahil> omfg.
[02:59:22] <TuxPat> ok i fix
[02:59:41] <TuxPat> i restart dovecot now
[02:59:59] <xpoint> stop postfix
[03:00:13] <xpoint> start postfix after the master.cf change
[03:00:53] <sahil> TuxPat: is this a personal/toy mail server, or are you postmaster for an actual mail system?
[03:01:15] <TuxPat> sahil, is my mail server
[03:01:23] <TuxPat> i do it for learn
[03:01:35] <sahil> TuxPat: great.
[03:01:53] <xpoint> add more space to learn more :)
[03:01:58] <TuxPat> ehheheeh
[03:02:05] <TuxPat> it seem work
[03:02:17] <xpoint> show log
[03:02:20] <sahil> TuxPat: be careful with typos like that, and pay particular attention to whitespace in master.cf.
[03:02:39] <sahil> TuxPat: postconf -d | grep virtual_transport
[03:02:43] <TuxPat> hehehe it work
[03:02:58] <TuxPat> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:03:00] <TuxPat> virtual_transport = virtual
[03:03:07] <xpoint> fails
[03:03:21] <sahil> TuxPat: why do you set that value in main.cf if it is the default?
[03:03:22] <shasta> man 1 postconf, see -d.
[03:03:27] <xpoint> this need to be dovecot for the very last time
[03:03:33] <TuxPat> but in main.cf i have virtual_transport = dovecot
[03:03:39] <shasta> oh my oh my
[03:03:43] <sahil> not according to the URL you had pasted above.
[03:04:00] <sahil> does postconf -n | grep virtual_transport show dovecot?
[03:04:23] <TuxPat> no postconf show virtual
[03:04:30] <TuxPat> but in main.cf i see dovecot
[03:04:45] <shasta> TuxPat, LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN postconf -n AND postconf -d
[03:04:50] <xpoint> postconf -n > new.main.cf
[03:04:58] <shasta> sorry, I couldn't resist
[03:05:05] <xpoint> edit this new.main.cf
[03:05:46] <TuxPat> virtual_transport = dovecot
[03:05:59] <xpoint> and now
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[03:06:06] <xpoint> sendmail -bv root
[03:06:06] <TuxPat> cat new.main.cf | grep virtual_transport
[03:06:07] <TuxPat> virtual_transport = dovecot
[03:06:29] <xpoint> show logs
[03:06:37] <TuxPat> Jul  3 01:06:20 sawyer postfix/pipe[20695]: 5C159420950: to=<riccardo at paterna dot nl>, orig_to=<root at paterna dot nl>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.3.5, status=bounced (local configuration error. Command output: Fatal: open(/etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf) failed: Permission denied )
[03:06:38] <TuxPat> Jul  3 01:06:20 sawyer postfix/qmgr[20661]: 5C159420950: removed
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[03:07:04] <shasta> self-explaining
[03:07:05] <xpoint> haha permission denied
[03:07:12] <shasta> xpoint, let him learn
[03:07:33] <shasta> ie. don't give the fish, give the fishing rod instead
[03:07:39] <xpoint> but atleast postfix doing the reight thing now
[03:08:03] <TuxPat> :)
[03:08:25] <TuxPat> and why i have this error?
[03:08:50] <xpoint> dovecot cant read its own conf file
[03:08:51] <sahil> it's pretty clear; the user trying to read dovecot.conf does not have permission to do so.
[03:09:10] <TuxPat> it is strange
[03:09:10] <shasta> you don't want to learn, TuxPat. you're just waiting for anybody to fix your problems
[03:09:39] <TuxPat> but i begin to install the server then when i block try to ask
[03:10:00] <shasta> "open() ... permission denied" is like the most obvious error message ever
[03:10:16] <xpoint> chmod 644 dovecot.conf
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[03:10:34] <xpoint> but dont do this for sql file
[03:10:49] <sahil> TuxPat: please try to brush up on your english; it's difficult to understand your questions.  you also need to show that you are *trying* to read and interpret the error output you continue pasting in this channel.  it will impel others to help and subdue some of the frustration you're seeing around here. :-)
[03:11:25] <TuxPat> Jul  3 01:11:11 sawyer postfix/pipe[20721]: 329394209EF: to=<riccardo at paterna dot nl>, orig_to=<root at paterna dot nl>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.12, delays=0.01/0/0/0.1, dsn=5.3.0, status=bounced (Command died with status 89: "/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver")
[03:11:25] <TuxPat> Jul  3 01:11:11 sawyer postfix/qmgr[20661]: 329394209EF: removed
[03:11:26] <TuxPat> :)
[03:11:34] <sahil> TuxPat: and of course, as suggested in the topic, you really ought to have a basic understanding of unix/shell before trying to administer a postfix setup.
[03:12:05] <TuxPat> yeah really sorry for my english
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[03:12:38] <TuxPat> i fix the error the problem is that here is 3.20 pm :)
[03:13:16] <sahil> paste your dovecot-related master.cf excerpt again please.
[03:14:40] * sahil gives up
[03:14:44] <sahil> it's all you, fellas. :P
[03:16:01] <TuxPat> okhttp://rafb.net/p/MQqdLa58.html
[03:16:47] <TuxPat> http://rafb.net/p/MQqdLa58.html
[03:16:49] <TuxPat> sorry
[03:17:02] <TuxPat> what is fellas?
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[03:20:11] <TuxPat> xpoint, thanks a lot for your great help and thanks to sahil shasta  :)
[03:20:18] <Rabble_Leader> what's the differance between $myhostname and $mydomain ?
[03:21:01] <shasta> !myhostname
[03:21:02] <knoba> shasta: "myhostname" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet hostname of this mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.
[03:21:04] <shasta> !mydomain
[03:21:04] <knoba> shasta: "mydomain" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet domain name of this mail system. The default is to use $myhostname minus the first component. $mydomain is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.
[03:21:10] <Rabble_Leader> I mean ... I have a registered domain, so I would use that as myorigin.  Correct?
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[03:22:56] <Rabble_Leader> but.  would the address be 'mail.mydomain.com' or just 'mydomain.com'?
[03:24:27] <TuxPat> shasta, where are you from?
[03:24:37] <Rabble_Leader> btw ... I've read that in the manual.  For a non-nerd .. it makes no sense at all.
[03:26:20] <Rabble_Leader> they are essentially identical statements.
[03:26:42] <shasta> Rabble_Leader, running mail server isn't easy for a non-nerd; that's the sad truth
[03:26:46] <shasta> TuxPat, Poland
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[03:27:30] <TuxPat> shasta, i think that i alredy chat with you
[03:27:33] <Rabble_Leader> well ... shaste, I guess I'll be a nerd before it's through ... cause I'm doing this!
[03:28:20] <shasta> you need a solid background in (at least) DNS and SMTP to successfully run a mailserver
[03:28:26] <Rabble_Leader> I am trying to set postfix to run as a registered domain server.
[03:29:07] <shasta> okay, I'm off, good night.
[03:29:16] <TuxPat> shasta, good night
[03:29:21] <TuxPat> thanks a lot
[03:29:33] <Rabble_Leader> I'm running through a dynamic DNS name server, but using my own domain name
[03:29:54] <TuxPat> i go away bye to all
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[03:30:28] <Rabble_Leader> at present I just want it to deliver my mail to me.  That's all.
[03:30:48] <shasta> !basic
[03:30:48] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[03:30:51] <shasta> Rabble_Leader, ^^^^^^^
[03:32:17] <Rabble_Leader> yep knoba.  that's where I am.  First choice is - do I want to define origin as $myhostname or $mydomain.
[03:33:22] <Rabble_Leader> I think I want $mydomain.  the queation is ... is $mydomain   mail.mydomain.com or mydomain.com?
[03:34:34] <Rabble_Leader> I think myhostname would be something like ___-desktop  right?
[03:35:52] <Rabble_Leader> too lame of a question for you guys huh.
[03:36:39] <Rabble_Leader> is there some newgie postfix place where lame questions are more appropriate?
[03:37:54] <xpoint> Rabble_Leader, try localhost :-)
[03:37:54] <Rabble_Leader> ok.  never mind.
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[05:33:48] <Motoko-chan> Having some interesting postfix issues
[05:34:08] <Motoko-chan> Specifically, I'm getting an unknown smtp/tcp service but I'm not chrooting smtp
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[05:35:09] <l0verb0y> hows it going
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[05:35:18] <Motoko-chan> There it goes.
[05:35:27] <Motoko-chan> Maybe it was the smtp unix service...
[05:36:05] <l0verb0y> are there any freeware mass mailing programs based on postfix? I have a site with about a million users I need to send weekly news letters to and I'm not sure what to do
[05:37:52] <Dominian> sounds like a spammer to me
[05:39:33] <l0verb0y> yeah because I used to work for the nigerian government and I have all this money that I can't access until I get to the UK so if you send me money now we can both split the billions that I have
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[05:49:07] <joobie> hey guys.. i added a domain to $mydestination and now emails i send to that domain are spooled locally - which is what i want
[05:49:29] <joobie> problem is, users whom dont exist on the postfix server in the passwd file also have messages spooled
[05:50:06] <joobie> ie. if i send an email to lkewjflwekjf at domain dot com, it will create a spool for lkewjflwekjf, even though the user doesn't exist in the passwd file.. any idea why?
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[05:52:24] <Motoko-chan> l0verb0y, GNU mailman
[05:54:37] <Dominian> joobie: smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[05:54:43] <Dominian> need to read up on that
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[06:00:38] <l0verb0y> thanks
[06:01:54] <snadge> Motoko-chan: you just helped a nigerian spammer :p
[06:02:29] <Motoko-chan> No. Those operate through a botnet.
[06:03:36] <l0verb0y> I still think the majority of the world is good people
[06:03:48] <snadge> ok well i have some prescription medication i'd like to get rid of.. as well as some stock tips, and ways to enlarge your member.. i also have about 36 million users who would be interested in this material
[06:04:27] * xpoint just say mailman
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[06:08:23] <snadge> no i need one of these 'botnets' motoko-chan speaks of ;)
[06:08:42] <snadge> because erm umm.. otherwise can run into mail delivery problems
[06:09:11] <Motoko-chan> snadge, do you know how to increase one's bust?
[06:09:39] <snadge> not really, but the emails i want to send claim to know
[06:09:46] <snadge> thats the important thing
[06:10:07] <snadge> all you have to do is send me money ;)
[06:10:44] * Motoko-chan sends snadge one millon ??ng
[06:11:04] <Motoko-chan> Will that be enough?
[06:11:14] <snadge> my terminal only displays ascii.. so im not sure hehe
[06:11:34] <snadge> what does horizontal line capital beta double top right corner ng mean?
[06:11:40] <Motoko-chan> It's the currency of Vietnam
[06:12:06] <Motoko-chan> In ASCII, it would be "Dong"
[06:12:10] <snadge> so thats about 50 cents then?
[06:12:16] <Motoko-chan> No
[06:12:47] <Motoko-chan> It's more
[06:13:40] <snadge> 1 000 000 Vietnamese dong = 65.5430712 Australian dollars
[06:13:54] <snadge> according to the all knowing google
[06:14:20] <Motoko-chan> xe.com works too
[06:14:36] <Motoko-chan> So, will that do?
[06:14:41] <Motoko-chan> I must have bigger boobs.
[06:14:53] <snadge> man boobs?
[06:14:57] <Motoko-chan> No
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[06:15:23] <snadge> oh okay.. lady boobs, well thats a lot more common
[06:15:36] <Motoko-chan> Lovely lady humps.
[06:15:43] <Motoko-chan> No... wait.
[06:15:47] <Motoko-chan> Lovely lady lumps.
[06:15:58] <snadge> the only women i know on this network, are transvestites
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[06:16:29] <snadge> the rest are either adolescent males, or older guys who think they're beyond that
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[06:17:36] <snadge> or guys pretending to be women.. take your pic ;)
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[06:21:18] <l0verb0y> ha
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[06:37:04] <joobie> thanks Dominian
[06:37:30] <snadge> how does one test that a mail server is able to externally accept mail, without updating the mx record to point to that server and testing it that way?
[06:37:58] <snadge> im presuming i can just telnet in on port 25.. but that involves a small amount of SMTP knowledge
[06:38:42] <joobie> snadge, you're right with the telnet to port 25
[06:38:48] <joobie> helo localhost
[06:38:53] <joobie> mail from:<test at test dot com>
[06:38:57] <joobie> rcpt to:<blah at blah dot com>
[06:38:59] <joobie> data
[06:39:00] <joobie> testing
[06:39:01] <joobie> .
[06:39:05] <joobie> try that.. should work
[06:40:35] <snadge> ooerr.. recipient address rejected
[06:40:43] <snadge> unknown in virtual alias table
[06:40:57] <snadge> that was an email address that _should_ work.. just as well i tested it ;)
[06:41:13] <snadge> upgrading a server from opensuse 10.2 to 11.0
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[06:46:48] <snadge> hmm.. virtual.db was corrupt, had to re-generate it with postmap.. odd
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[07:48:12] <yoanis> hi there
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[08:46:29] <Motoko-chan> I'm having some issues with SASL on Postfix.
[08:46:37] <Motoko-chan> Anyone around to offer some troubleshooting?
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[08:52:57] <Motoko-chan> Looks to be a saslauthd issue
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[09:34:47] <recw> hi all - my postfix refuses to connect, and the problem i think in my master.cf - here http://pastebin.ru/294999
[09:35:18] <recw> can anybody point me where is the solution
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[09:36:56] <recw> and this is what i see in my logs http://pastebin.ru/295001
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[10:01:57] <recw> anybody - what does the line in logs "private/proxymap connection refused" means - why it occures?
[10:02:45] <dev1> Hello! Users want to change their default passwords when they check their mail first time. Is it possible?
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[10:26:16] <joobie> guys having a problem with virtual mailboxes...
[10:26:55] <joobie> i've setup a 'virtual_mailbox_maps' which points a hash.. in that hash i define theemail address and point it to 'blah' .. emails are locally being delivered to the user of the email address, rather than 'blah'
[10:26:57] <joobie> any idea why??
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[10:38:53] <xpoint> recw, it means that the map you try to add to the proxymap is not mapped to be used as so
[10:39:30] <xpoint> recw, see postconf -d | grep proxymap
[10:41:16] <recw> xpoint: tnx for reply) - but this command show no output - like there no proxymap at all
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[10:51:39] <loompek> umm
[10:52:04] <loompek> in case someon in our network is trying to send mass mail to.. let's say 500 recipients...
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[10:52:37] <loompek> can i configure postfix so it won't try to send more than 5 mails out
[10:53:41] <ullio> hello. what status code can i use for exiting my content filter to tell postfix, that the mail is supposed to be discarded? whatever i return other then 0 leads to postfix bouncing the (backscatter) mail.
[10:54:29] <recw> output of mine telnet http://pastebin.ru/295004
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[11:02:46] <Roobarb> ullio: are you using content_filter ?
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[11:11:41] <ullio> yup
[11:12:04] <ullio> i use FILTER myfilter:dummy in header_checks
[11:14:55] <Roobarb> once the content_filter has recieved the message, postfix no-longer cares
[11:16:00] <Roobarb> this is why you have another smtpd listening on another port when you use amavisd - its for resubmission of messages (you'd configure the second instance with a blank" -o content_filter"
[11:16:26] <Roobarb> if you want to drop a message, just don't bother resumitting it back to postfix
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[11:24:13] <ulliol_> arrgh
[11:24:46] <ulliol_> yes, but how do i stop postfix from bouncing mails if i return != 0 as exit code
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[11:31:50] <Roobarb> ullio: hmm, maybe I'm misunderstanding how you're using it
[11:32:12] <Roobarb> I use this:          content_filter = lmtp-filter:127.0.0.1:10025
[11:32:25] <Roobarb> amavisd-new is listening on port 10025
[11:32:49] <Roobarb> because a binary is never invoked by postfix, there are no return codes to worry about
[11:32:55] <linderox> hi man... i just moved from qmail to postfix and i use maildir's... I didn't found in manual how to migrate.... I have user:user permition on a maildir, but all manuals says about mail:mail permissions on a post
[11:33:14] <linderox> how i can use user:user permission?
[11:33:46] <Roobarb> linderox: if you want standard deliver to /home/user/Maildir/, use this:  "home_mailbox = Maildir/"
[11:34:10] <linderox> my log says: http://pastebin.ru/295007
[11:34:56] <linderox> Roobarb: i use it... but i dont know about permission to  a dir.... ((( qmail use different rights (((
[11:35:16] <Roobarb> well, that setting is what I use and I haven't touched my Maildir since I migrated form qmail
[11:35:31] <linderox> Roobarb: and how i should write if i have /home/user/.maildir??//?
[11:35:58] <linderox> Roobarb:can you say me who is a owner of maildir ?
[11:36:08] <Roobarb> drwx------ 11 mwatts mwatts      4096 2007-10-16 14:47 Maildir/
[11:36:18] <Roobarb> same as my login account
[11:36:28] <linderox> Roobarb: hm... (((
[11:36:35] <linderox> look to my log please
[11:36:42] <linderox> http://pastebin.ru/295007
[11:36:52] <Roobarb> I did, but those are dovecot errors, not postfix
[11:37:15] <Roobarb> correct the permissions and ownership on ~/Maildir and try again
[11:37:47] <linderox> Roobarb: and how i should write home_mailbox if i have /home/user/.maildir??//?
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[11:38:16] <Roobarb> "home_mailbox = .maildir/"
[11:38:53] <linderox> Roobarb: i changed it in main.cf... ok next one....
[11:39:08] <linderox> Roobarb: i used aliases....
[11:39:30] <ulliol_> Roobarb: well, no, i use FILTER content_filter:dummy in my header checks. the thing is, that postfix does comment on the outcome like of my filter "status=bounced"
[11:39:59] <linderox> I have a problem with destination to the aliases... i use /etc/passwd for auth
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[11:40:33] <Roobarb> ulliol_: I'm afraid you may have to ask on postfix-users - I'm not familar with using header_checks
[11:40:47] <linderox> how i can move .forward to postfix like in qmail?
[11:41:22] <Roobarb> forward_path = $home/.forward
[11:42:00] <Roobarb> although I tend to use /etc/postfix/aliases for this
[11:44:14] <linderox> Roobarb: does postfix automaticaly create maildir for users without it?
[11:45:06] <ulliol_> thanks ayway!
[11:45:11] <linderox> stat( ~/.maildir/cur) failed: Permission denied
[11:45:34] <linderox> should i /etc/init.d/postfix restart after changing of main.cf? :(((
[11:47:36] <linderox> Roobarb: I sent letter from user1 at mydomain dot com to user2 at mydomain dot com...in the logs is ok...,but now any changes in cur tmp or new dir of user2 (((((
[11:50:47] <Roobarb> linderox: no, postfix does not create Maildirs
[11:51:09] <Roobarb> "postfix reload" is enough
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[11:52:08] <linderox> Roobarb: Hm... nothing new in cur tmp and new for user2....this is my main.cf http://pastebin.ru/295008 .... maildir for user2 is user2:users....
[11:52:37] <Roobarb> show logs
[11:53:25] <linderox> in logs :Jul  3 17:54:24 [postfix/pipe] CBA6A18C54A: to=<sypkov at vodoline dot com>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown)
[11:54:01] <Roobarb> there you go
[11:54:37] <linderox> oh sorry ... it is not right line i think i send to master at vodoline dot com..
[11:54:46] <linderox> from sypkov at vodoline dot com
[11:55:03] <linderox> Jul  3 17:54:24 [postfix/pipe] C0B6718C536: to=<master at vodoline dot com>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.06, delays=0.03/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown)
[11:57:22] <linderox> but when i try to send to unexist user i recieved this:
[11:57:26] <linderox> Jul  3 17:57:29 [postfix/smtpd] NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from archserver[10.0.3.2]: 550 5.1.1 <somkina at vodoline dot com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<sypkov at vodoline dot com> to=<somkina at vodoline dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[10.0.3.2]>
[12:01:20] <Roobarb> somkina at vodoline dot com does not exist
[12:01:53] <Roobarb> <-- afk
[12:02:24] <linderox> Roobarb: yes somkina doesn't exsist, but master is exist...but letter didn't put to the maildir
[12:03:05] <linderox> but master is a real user, i worked under it... " status=bounced (user unknown)"
[12:04:49] <xpoint> it bounces since dovecot cant see that user
[12:05:11] <linderox> xpoint: how to show it for dovecot ?
[12:05:28] <xpoint> dovecot -n
[12:06:19] <xpoint> basicly setup postfix as a local user and let only have dovecot know users
[12:06:36] <linderox> http://pastebin.ru/295010
[12:06:53] <xpoint> your problem is that postfix see all virtual users, but dovecot miss something
[12:07:38] <linderox> postfix:x:207:207:postfix:/var/spool/postfix:/bin/false
[12:08:11] <linderox> master:x:1000:100::/home/master:/bin/bash
[12:08:18] <xpoint> oh no, dont use postfix uid and gid in dovecot
[12:09:00] <linderox> xpoint: where i use it?
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[12:09:33] <xpoint> http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix
[12:10:18] <xpoint> olso need postconf -n on pastebin
[12:11:33] <xpoint> if no virtual users in postfix it might be down to add deliver to mail_command
[12:12:03] <linderox> here http://pastebin.ru/295012
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[12:13:28] <linderox> xpoint: i have several virtual users....
[12:13:48] <xpoint> remove line 17 and 23 in postconf output
[12:14:01] <linderox> hm .... dovecot   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[12:14:01] <linderox>   flags=DRhu user=mail:mail argv=/usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver -d ${recipient}
[12:14:03] <xpoint> 23 creates backscatter
[12:14:23] <xpoint> no see wiki about system users
[12:14:53] <xpoint> the master.cf is just for virtual users
[12:15:24] <xpoint> is your postfix behind nat ?
[12:16:28] <xpoint> if so add your wan ip to proxy_interfaces
[12:17:03] <linderox> whats the problem with 17 23 ? should i remove this from main.cf? I use NAT... but i can't give u an answer on this question... i can send iptables or iptalbes -L
[12:17:24] <xpoint> 23 creates backscatter
[12:17:51] <xpoint> and relay domains is for backup mx not for your local mydestination domains
[12:18:47] <xpoint> 17 is ok if you are behind nat, but postfix figure this out as default olso
[12:19:17] <xpoint> so now add proxy_interfaces=<wan-ip>
[12:20:35] <netcrash> Hello, good morning , I'm trying to redirect incoming mails for local: to go throught a maildrop service , using virtual_transport , but mail keeps jumping to maildir, virtual.db has emails directed to the user on the system , where can the problem be ? Tips ?
[12:20:56] <linderox> proxy_interface=88.147.155.223???
[12:21:22] <xpoint> linderox, yes if that ip is your static wan ip
[12:22:22] <linderox> xpoint: can i resend letter? )
[12:22:48] <xpoint> proxy_interfaces < btw
[12:24:38] <linderox> nothing changed(i restarted postfix again ) [postfix/pipe] 6DADF18C54D: to=<master at vodoline dot com>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.07, delays=0.06/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown)
[12:24:57] <linderox> what " < btw" means?
[12:25:12] <xpoint> By The Way
[12:26:02] <xpoint> postfix works now with unxi system users, dovecot conf does not work with pam users :)
[12:26:23] <xpoint> test:
[12:26:29] <xpoint> sendmail  -bv root
[12:26:52] <xpoint> old queue gives old errors
[12:27:29] <linderox> xpoint: i have no sendmail
[12:27:38] <xpoint> yes you have
[12:28:03] <linderox> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <root>. :)
[12:28:21] <xpoint> check logs, see the mail sent olso
[12:28:41] <linderox> [ebuild  N    ] mail-mta/sendmail-8.14.0  USE="ssl tcpd -ipv6 -ldap -mailwrappe
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[12:28:56] <xpoint> netcrash, authtest gives ?
[12:29:23] <linderox> Jul  3 18:29:13 [postfix/qmgr] AB4E818C554: from=<root at vodoline dot com>, size=284, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[12:30:06] <xpoint> linderox, gentoo users is not that clueless, you dont run 2 mta in the same host, sendmail is not sendmail mta, but sendmail is a elf command in postfix
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[12:31:46] <linderox> there is no any letter in any tmp cur and new in  /root/.maildir
[12:32:06] <xpoint> see logs then :-=
[12:32:34] <xpoint> root newer login to read mail for a tip
[12:34:31] <linderox> here is a log i dont understand where this operation ... http://pastebin.ru/295013
[12:35:42] <linderox> xpoint: yes i know that it is not security and in postfix there is a alias to master at vodoline dot com,but nothing anywheree !!!
[12:36:20] <linderox> oh how it is difficult and how much time you have spend with me...:)
[12:37:37] <xpoint> time to get dovecot working with pam auth
[12:38:18] <kilm> do you know if usual mailservers make use of the smtps interface or if it's better to reserve it to authenticated users outside of my lan ? (or better : if different filters are possible on the same interface according to the "authenticated status")
[12:39:22] <xpoint> http://wiki.dovecot.org/PasswordDatabase/PAM
[12:39:23] <linderox> xpoint: how to do this? I think i did everything good with this... I tested with a telnet server 110
[12:40:09] <linderox> user master +OK... pass ******  succcessful..... list ... 0 messages (((((((9
[12:40:38] <xpoint> linderox, see the wiki :)
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[12:44:13] <linderox> i added this to the dovecot.conf  in the tag for pam args = *
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[12:45:45] <Nockian> which RBLs do you guys use for production sites?
[12:46:16] <xpoint> !zen
[12:46:17] <knoba> xpoint: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[12:46:59] <Nockian> thanks
[12:48:09] <linderox> xpoint: hm... I have read this before... and make changes in the /etc/pam.d/
[12:48:41] <linderox> i added /etc/pam.d/dovecot yesterday and it is like in this manual
[12:48:55] <xpoint> ok
[12:49:05] <xpoint> still not working ?
[12:49:23] <linderox> yeah... :)
[12:49:44] <xpoint> super time for chess then
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[12:50:51] <linderox> the same error as before bounded user
[12:51:15] <linderox> status=bounced (user unknown)
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[12:52:19] <linderox> xpoint: ok... try to solve another problem... I can't connect to the my maildir from thunderbird... it is says
[12:54:16] <linderox> here is a log connecting to server from local client http://pastebin.ru/295014
[12:54:46] <kilm> I'm looking for a track about a "dual" use of an incoming smtps interface (http://pastebin.ca/1061187)
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[12:57:58] <ulliol_> is there a way to influence postfix message-id creation?
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[13:08:03] <MeSaNei> Hi all . How can i override title of outgoing message with postfix ? For example "Hi" to "Company | Hi"
[13:13:28] <MeSaNei> anyone ?
[13:13:28] <xpoint> MeSaNei, wroung irc channel
[13:13:58] <MeSaNei> xpoint: ?
[13:14:03] <xpoint> 42
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[13:18:26] <xpoint> kilm, how more info needed for me to help there on this
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[13:20:49] <kilm> thanks xpoint; my problem is to find a way that allow the smtps incoming interface to allow both sasl_authenticated user to send unfiltered email and mailservers to send anonymously emails to db stored users
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[13:21:23] <kilm> so filter and recipient_restriction apply only to unauthenticated connection, but i don't know how to do this
[13:21:47] <xpoint> kilm, running amavisd ?
[13:22:12] <kilm> (though I'm not sure that gmail, yahoo, and others use smtps in priority (that was the meaning of my first question)
[13:22:49] <xpoint> i belive you will need this to make it simplest, postfix can do it with restriction classes, but its more somple in amavisd
[13:23:32] <xpoint> none of them use smtps, but tls over 25
[13:23:35] <kilm> xpoint : I run dspam and clamav (and I'm not sure that dspam-retrain is a good place to do the sasl auth check (if possible)
[13:23:58] <kilm> useful information xpoint
[13:24:21] <xpoint> amavisd can have spamassasin disabled and use dspam if wnated
[13:24:42] <xpoint> but i newer used dspam
[13:25:30] <xpoint> olso i heared som was working on a rewrite for amavisd to use dspam, but i newer herared more about it :/(
[13:26:46] <xpoint> here i just use clamsmtp and clamav with sanesecureity so reject most spammails with postfix in proxy before queue
[13:27:02] <xpoint> i still use amavisd after queue for the rest
[13:27:48] <xpoint> clamav detect spam under 10 sec here
[13:28:23] <xpoint> this is pretty fast with a signature base of 750000
[13:28:53] <kilm> ok, I think I will forget smtps incoming interface, use optionnal tls on 25 and look at restriction classes, because dspam and clamav bricks are already integrated in my configuration :) thank for your help xpoint
[13:29:17] <xpoint> np
[13:29:55] <xpoint> kilm, think of the clamsmtp could reduce load on dspam
[13:30:27] <xpoint> and have clamsmtp on ramdisk with the temp files
[13:30:37] <xpoint> no disk io
[13:31:51] <xpoint> that makes to i386 powerfull :)
[13:33:58] <kilm> I may possibly avoid localhost:10026 and make dspam sending directly to procmail which make use of clamav, but I'm not sure I would be able to bind dspam directly on clamav (I will see later)
[13:34:15] <xpoint> 421 emails have being rejected here since i stated here with clamsmtp, 99 uniq sanesecureity
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[14:57:32] <abrotman> I have a postfix that is still delivering mail for a user, even though they've been deleted from the passwd database (I am using cyrus if that matters)
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[15:08:11] <abrotman> i've tried to turn off amavis, still goes through, at this point i'm not sure if postfix is at fault or cyrus
[15:11:11] <padde> abrotman: what database do you use?
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[15:14:44] <abrotman> for what?
[15:14:54] <abrotman> sasldb2 ?
[15:14:58] <abrotman> i don't mysql with postfix
[15:15:01] <abrotman> erm .. don't use
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[15:26:17] <lunaphyte_> abrotman: can you pastebin postconf -n ?
[15:26:39] <abrotman> should i sanitize it?
[15:27:17] <lunaphyte_> preferably not, but if you're concerned, we can probably extrapolate.
[15:27:21] <TuxPat> in my log file i got this error : Command died with status 89: "/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver
[15:27:35] <TuxPat> someone can tell me where i see to find the problem
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[15:28:18] <abrotman> http://paste.debian.net/9223/
[15:28:24] <abrotman> mildly sanitised
[15:29:11] <lunaphyte_> can you pastebin a snippit from the logs where delivery is shown?
[15:29:16] <rob0> !mailbox_transport
[15:29:17] <knoba> rob0: "mailbox_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional message delivery transport that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery to all local recipients, whether or not they are found in the UNIX passwd database.
[15:29:55] <TuxPat> yes lunaphyte just a moment
[15:30:02] <abrotman> lunaphyte_: sure
[15:31:05] <TuxPat> lunaphyte, http://rafb.net/p/CFyGUX25.html
[15:31:12] <rob0> maps_rbl_domains is smelly and rotten, deprecated many years ago, superceded by reject_rbl_client (which you are in fact using.)
[15:31:36] <TuxPat> rob0, the message is for me?
[15:31:54] <lunaphyte_> TuxPat: i'd consult dovecot's logs for further details.
[15:31:55] <abrotman> lunaphyte_: http://paste.debian.net/9224/
[15:32:14] <abrotman> lunaphyte_: and i've already tried disabling amavis, and it made no difference
[15:32:43] <TuxPat> i have only this log
[15:33:48] <lunaphyte_> abrotman: is there a subsequent entry that shows delivery, rather than queuing?
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[15:45:36] <fzzzt> Q: I have my users in SQL, and Cyrus is using Cyrus-SASL2 for authentication (auxprop?). My Postfix, on another box, does the same thing. Is it possible to change Postfix to use Dovecot-SASL and leave the Cyrus box alone, as long as Dovecot will auth against SQL? They don't necessarily need to match up, right?
[15:46:01] <abrotman> lunaphyte_: http://paste.debian.net/9227/
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[15:53:22] <rabbit7> is there a way to confiigure multiple smtp servers for the same domain.. transport wise ?
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[16:01:11] <lunaphyte_> abrotman: you might try adding reject_unlisted_recipient to smtpd_recipient_restrictions.
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[16:03:13] <lunaphyte_> abrotman: btw - you can collapse your smtpd_*_restrictions all into smtpd_recipient_restrictions and alleviate some of the repetition there.
[16:03:51] <TuxPat> lunaphyte, i got the same error and the log tell me the same thing Command died with status 80: "/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver"
[16:04:07] <PcPixel> i think i might have done something wrong. when i implemented my permitted senders list, my mail stats have changed from catching the bulk of spam in my HELO too recipient address. am i just reading into something that isnt there or could i have done something wrong? Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/d75690533
[16:05:00] <kaos99> we're moving our backend mailservers to exchange, our frontend mail servers remain postfix; exchange doesn't support plus-addressing (x.y+z at mail dot com); is it possible to let the frontend postfix servers remove the +z-part?
[16:05:13] <PcPixel> should i move my check_recipient_access into the valid relay recipients parameter?
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[16:07:04] <rabbit7> can anyone tell me when postfix will use the fallback_transport_maps ?
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[16:16:30] <PcPixel> Which would you use: MailScanner or amavisd-new w spamassasin
[16:17:07] <f3ew> amavisd-new
[16:17:24] <PcPixel> i could never get it to run right
[16:18:11] <abrotman> lunaphyte_: thanks .. let me try
[16:18:43] <rabbit7> kaos99: shouldnt be a problem http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#canonical http://www.postfix.org/regexp_table.5.html should  do the trick
[16:19:57] <abrotman> lunaphyte_: still went through
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[16:27:26] <mwalling> 10:17 < PcPixel> i could never get it to run right
[16:27:38] <mwalling> (he prolly didnt read that nice and purdy README file)
[16:29:10] <kaos99> rabbit7: thanks, I'll have a look at the regexp_table format
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[17:06:30] <lunaphyte_> abrotman: where in the restriction list did you put it?
[17:07:28] <lunaphyte_> is it possible that user is listed in another source used by local_recipient_maps?
[17:11:36] <abrotman> the only place that user still exists AFAIK .. is in cyrus
[17:13:15] <lunaphyte_> i don't have much experience with cyrus - when you add a user to passwd, you have to add them separately to cyrus as well?
[17:14:16] <abrotman> no ..
[17:14:25] <abrotman> but you have to create a mailbox separately
[17:14:48] <abrotman> the user existed in the passwd/sasldb2/cyrus
[17:14:54] <abrotman> he's gone from the first two
[17:15:03] <abrotman> but mail still gets to his box
[17:16:23] <lunaphyte_> oh, sure.  postfix will check recipient validity prior to mailbox existence though, so if he's not somewhere in local_recipient_maps and the restriction is in the right order, postfix will reject the message.
[17:16:35] <lunaphyte_> or should, anyway :)
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[17:22:21] <Dantix> hi all, anyone can point me to a guide about how to configure postfix's load balanced cluster?
[17:23:35] <mwalling> !basic
[17:23:35] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:23:39] <mwalling> have you read that first?
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[17:53:00] <ulliol_> i want my content filter to influence postfix log/behaviour. when i exit my content filter cript with EX_UNAVAILABLE or EX_TEMPFAIL,  postfix reports its being bouced (status=bounced) wich is not rue. i need to tell postfix, that the mail got discarded.
[17:53:26] <ulliol_> ... or does postfix indeed bounce that message?
[17:53:46] <ulliol_> .. because my content filter returned an error?
[17:53:57] <ulliol_> (exit > 0)
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[18:09:09] <rabbit7> can i do an address rewrite based on the host which sends the mail
[18:09:31] <rabbit7> something like. if sending host is this and address is this.. rewrite to this address
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[18:19:01] <dragonheart> rabbit7: canocial(sp?) maps i think tough i've never done it
[18:20:18] <rabbit7> dragonheart canonoical is good.. i cant check for the sending server though.. thats an issue
[18:21:07] <dragonheart> ah. its too late for me to think sorry. I can't even work out a simple mail loop
[18:21:10] <dragonheart> gn
[18:21:26] <rabbit7> hehehe@mailloop
[18:22:21] <lunaphyte_> for simple mail loops, the rabbit should always go around the tree before it goes in the hole.
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[18:23:16] <rob0> I never could learn to tie shoes very well. I use velcro or slipons now.
[18:23:29] <TuxPat> when the log is mysql based
[18:23:38] <TuxPat> where i show the user gid and uid?
[18:24:28] <lunaphyte_> yay for velcro.
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[18:25:42] <lunaphyte_> i use stretchy shoelaces now.
[18:25:43] <cipherz_> Hello, I have a policy filter running, which works fine, but my question is if a mail is ''pushed'' into the mailq by /usr/bin/mail it never seems to reach my policy filter, all ''pushes'' done through telnet do
[18:28:48] <lunaphyte_> i think you have to be careful with things like velcro shoes though.  they get you one step closer to "hey, have you seen my nondescript, windowless van?
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[18:33:42] <cpm> lunaphyte_, you mean like this? is this you? http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/misc/free_candy_van.jpg
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[18:36:24] <lunaphyte_> !policy
[18:36:25] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "policy" is not a valid command.
[18:36:32] <rob0> Looks legit to me.
[18:36:50] <TuxPat> !list
[18:36:51] <knoba> TuxPat: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Factoids, Internet, Karma, Misc, Owner, Praise, Seen, Services, User, and Utilities
[18:37:09] <TuxPat> !User
[18:37:10] <knoba> TuxPat: (user [<channel>] <name>) -- Returns the last time <name> was seen and what <name> was last seen saying. This looks up <name> in the user seen database, which means that it could be any nick recognized as user <name> that was seen. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
[18:37:41] <lunaphyte_> rob0: you mean my free candy van, right?
[18:37:49] <lunaphyte_> it's totally legit.
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[18:38:12] <rob0> Cool, I'll send my daughter over.
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[18:38:29] <lunaphyte_> cpm: my van says "free kidneys" on the other side.
[18:38:42] <rob0> !praise lunaphyte_
[18:38:43] <knoba> rob0: Error: There are no praises in my database for #postfix.
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[18:38:54] <lunaphyte_> rob0: is she a girl scout?
[18:39:07] <CrackZmoQ> is there a command to check a bounce count in the mail queue?
[18:39:11] <lunaphyte_> eh, nvm, this is getting a bit creepy for my tastes.
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[18:40:24] <lunaphyte_> cipherz: as far as i know, policy restrictions are restricted to smtp sessions.
[18:41:57] <cpm> !praise rob0
[18:41:57] <knoba> cpm: Error: There are no praises in my database for #postfix.
[18:42:03] <lunaphyte_> hmm.
[18:42:07] <lunaphyte_> !curse lunaphyte
[18:42:07] <cpm> wow, what a shame that
[18:42:07] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "curse" is not a valid command.
[18:42:10] <lunaphyte_> bah
[18:42:17] <cpm> !lart lunaphyte_
[18:42:18] <knoba> cpm: Error: "lart" is not a valid command.
[18:42:22] <cpm> waa?
[18:42:27] <rabbit7> cipherz: if u use a tool like mailx.. its supposed to open a smtp session to the localhost I *think*
[18:42:48] <rabbit7> !ignore myself
[18:43:05] <rabbit7> what that actually worked ?
[18:43:19] <lunaphyte_> hey, what happened to rabbit7 ?
[18:43:41] <rabbit7> hahaha so i can write whatever i want and nobody can read it ?
[18:44:02] <cpm> right, I can't read anything you are writing
[18:44:10] <rob0> Nope, by default mailx will invoke sendmail(1). Old BSD mailx can only do that. Newer "heirloom mailx" can use SMTP, however.
[18:44:18] <lunaphyte_> haha!
[18:44:24] <rob0> !haha
[18:44:24] <knoba> rob0: Error: "haha" is not a valid command.
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[18:44:38] <rabbit7> my Credit card number is 4596 3129 4593 1193 security code 921 date 8/10
[18:44:42] <rabbit7> hahaha thats so funny
[18:44:57] <lunaphyte_> my gas bill just went down.
[18:45:19] <cpm> magic!
[18:45:22] <cpm> !magic
[18:45:23] <knoba> cpm: Error: "magic" is not a valid command.
[18:45:33] <cpm> knoba, you are getting to be really boring
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[18:46:01] <cpm> rabbit7 was more fun than you, but we can't see him anymore
[18:46:42] <rabbit7> !unignore myself
[18:46:43] <knoba> rabbit7: Error: "unignore" is not a valid command.
[18:47:03] <rabbit7> damn.. cant unignore myself
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[18:47:43] <rob0> My spidey sense is tingling!
[18:47:45] <lunaphyte_> i'd like to submit, as evidence in the case of mind over matter vs. reality, the fact that i've completely convinced myself that today is friday.
[18:48:06] <rob0> In USA, this might as well be Friday.
[18:48:35] <lunaphyte_> does michigan count as the usa?
[18:49:13] <rob0> hmmm not sure, don't think so, at least not in terms of Democratic Party delegates.
[18:49:29] <lunaphyte_> ouch.
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[18:50:03] <lunaphyte_> they got what was coming after they shunned us for our early primaries, then cam running back, begging for forgiveness.
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[18:50:14] <lunaphyte_> err, came
[18:52:04] <lunaphyte_> !troubleshoot
[18:52:04] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "troubleshoot" is not a valid command.
[18:52:09] <lunaphyte_> ah, good.
[18:53:58] <lunaphyte_> !troubleshoot
[18:53:59] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "troubleshoot" : http://www.listaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/flowchart-2007.png
[18:54:41] <cpm> what part of michigan?
[18:54:46] <lunaphyte_> i wonder how long before that link dies.
[18:54:59] <lunaphyte_> sw - kalamazoo area.
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[18:56:45] <cpm> yeah, kalamzoo is the US, sorry.
[18:56:46] <cpm> :)
[18:56:58] <cpm> the yoop, now that's another country all together
[18:57:04] <rob0> Kalamity.
[18:57:38] <rob0> Um I thought that was Texas ... a whole Nother country.
[18:57:47] <cpm> mebbe
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[19:01:42] <lunaphyte_> what's the absolute minimum dollar amount you'd take to drink a half gallon of severely spoiled milk?
[19:02:29] <seekwill> How lumpy is it?
[19:03:07] <rob0> Is this contest being held at the Free Candy van?
[19:03:09] <cpm> would depend on the milk
[19:03:20] <lunaphyte_> it's fairly lumpy, but still pourable.
[19:03:35] <seekwill> Since this is IRC, I'd do it for $2.99
[19:03:42] <cpm> heh
[19:03:56] <rob0> Okay, give me one of those super-sour candies, and the milk will be a relief.
[19:04:24] <seekwill> I think I broke my sour tastebuds. Those super-sour candies don't do anything to me
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[19:04:42] <lunaphyte_> i have an opportunity to make some money here, and you guys are making jokes!
[19:05:02] <rob0> So then, I'll just pitch in one of the dollars for seekwill ... go for it!
[19:06:08] <lunaphyte_> all i have is 50 cents.
[19:06:42] <rob0> cpm will cover the other $1.49. Go seekwill!
[19:06:56] <seekwill> No, **HE** wants to drink it
[19:07:11] <seekwill> So we have to pay him
[19:07:27] <lunaphyte_> right.
[19:07:27] <seekwill> Unless you have another bottle of equally spoiled milk for me
[19:07:27] <rob0> Fine, if it's youtubed.
[19:07:50] <seekwill> If you youtube it, you have to put "Sponsered by #postfix"
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[19:08:00] <lunaphyte_> ha
[19:09:05] <rob0> I'll do it for $10.
[19:09:30] <seekwill> Where do we paypal it to?
[19:09:31] <cpm> rob0, what's your paypal info?
[19:10:10] <lunaphyte_> wait, he didn't say what currency.
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[19:10:42] <seekwill> I have $134 in my paypal account... I can watch 13 people do this...
[19:10:43] <cpm> US, it's about the cheapest dollar out there right now
[19:10:58] <rob0> US$10. No paypal, but you can snail me a personal check. I'll trust you.
[19:11:13] <seekwill> I don't trust you with my check :)
[19:11:34] <lunaphyte_> if seekwill gives you 130, will you do 6.5 gallons?
[19:11:45] <rob0> well then you won't get to see me gulp and barf the cheese!
[19:12:01] <cpm> yeah, right, I want rob0 to have my routing numbers, , , sure.
[19:12:32] <lunaphyte_> oh crap, my math was way off.  how did that happen?
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[19:12:53] <seekwill> Must be the milk
[19:12:59] * rob0 is educated at U. of Nigeria: Leader in Ethical Business Studies
[19:13:08] <seekwill> lol
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[19:13:15] <lunaphyte_> no, wait, that's right.
[19:13:24] * sysmonk is noneducated
[19:13:26] * sysmonk is a looser
[19:13:30] <sysmonk> ah and also
[19:13:31] * sysmonk is evil
[19:13:33] <sysmonk> !sysmonk
[19:13:34] <knoba> sysmonk: "sysmonk" : evil
[19:13:38] <sysmonk> seeeee ? :)
[19:13:46] <lunaphyte_> oh!  you were able to take advantage of one of those offers?
[19:13:53] <rob0> http://www.universityofnigeria.com/
[19:13:57] <seekwill> lunaphyte: So you gunna do it or what?
[19:14:12] <seekwill> lunaphyte: youtube a preview of the milk
[19:14:30] <lunaphyte_> i don't know how to work youtube.
[19:14:37] * seekwill gasps
[19:14:51] <rob0> In Soviet Russia, Youtube work YOU
[19:15:05] <adaptr> that's not half as scary as
[19:15:15] <adaptr> In Soviet Russia, cow milk YOU
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[19:16:40] <lunaphyte_> yikes, i just realized the tabs i had open in my browser: free candy van, a flowchart on shirking responsibility, a homepage for nigerian business school, and the postfix policy server readme.
[19:17:01] <seekwill> No porn?
[19:17:03] <adaptr> promotion lurks!
[19:17:31] <sysmonk> seekwill: tss, he has a seperate browser for pr0n
[19:17:38] <seekwill> ah
[19:17:38] <lunaphyte_> mental porn :)
[19:17:56] <adaptr> my browser at work currently shows 3 Greek holiday sites, an impressive cacti collection, and 3 very dodgy and very deliberate MS training pages ;)
[19:17:56] <rob0> another good tab for lunaphyte_: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/andigodown/why-fat-guy1.jpg
[19:18:01] <cpm> This is pretty cool, it took a few years for #postfix to go from unattended, to really useful resource with clueful -almost- staffing, where it drifted for a long while, then a year or so to get overrun with 'can haz postfix?' to now, trivial off-topic garbage that I love!
[19:18:11] <sysmonk> adaptr: cacti collection?
[19:18:36] <seekwill> What's postfix?
[19:18:41] <adaptr> yeah, we run cacti in a 100+ host network, with some 1500 graphs, some of them quite pretty
[19:19:00] <sysmonk> seekwill: postfix is something that you replace with sendmail
[19:19:00] <cpm> haz ubuntu, can haz email?
[19:19:01] <adaptr> and it's hands down the easiest way to dazle the PHB
[19:19:16] <adaptr> it's almost an excuse generator in and of itself
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[19:19:23] <sysmonk> adaptr: ah, so you mean you have cacti graph page open?
[19:19:25] <seekwill> But sendmail is so cool
[19:19:37] <rob0> Well, see, you need a fence around your ranch, and posts hold up the fence. Sometimes they break, and that's why we're here.
[19:19:46] <adaptr> "what, you think that spike there means nothing ? how many years have YOU spent poring over obscure man pages, eh ?"
[19:20:07] <adaptr> (I nearly typed "obscene man pages" there)
[19:20:17] <sysmonk> adaptr: heh, we're migrating our cacti and nagios to a newer server and a newer version currently
[19:20:21] <cpm> me me me! pick me!
[19:20:22] <lunaphyte_> rob0: i'm trying to decide if that's porn or not...
[19:20:33] <sysmonk> so i'm searching for any ideas on those two
[19:20:34] <cpm> it's all pr0n!
[19:20:37] <adaptr> !cpm
[19:20:37] <knoba> adaptr: "cpm" : an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers
[19:20:47] <adaptr> like hell it was
[19:21:03] <sysmonk> rob0: nice pick, when did ya take it?
[19:21:08] <sysmonk> that is, somebody take a pick of you
[19:21:09] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:21:20] <rob0> lunaphyte_, I must point out that the guy isn't as fat as the picture implies. The suit is puffed up with air.
[19:21:35] <adaptr> so what ? most people are
[19:21:54] <rob0> sysmonk, that was years ago, he looks to be in his 20's.
[19:22:31] <rob0> I've never gotten my hair that long, but otherwise, yes, it could have been me.
[19:22:34] <sysmonk> rob0: ye
[19:22:42] <sysmonk> i'm fat by the way
[19:22:54] <lunaphyte_> rob0: i'm more concerned with the pumpkin he seems to have confined to the bathroom.
[19:22:55] <sysmonk> and i do have that long hair :P
[19:23:53] * sysmonk searches for his "happy photo"
[19:24:04] <adaptr> ...are we sure we want to see this ?
[19:24:49] <sysmonk> i didn't tell i'll publish it!
[19:24:59] <seekwill> I'll pay $1 to have adaptr look at sysmonk's "happy photo"
[19:25:03] <sysmonk> you know, i don't look in the mirror that often, i'll better look at the photo
[19:25:03] <sysmonk> ;))
[19:25:20] <rob0> In Soviet Russia, pumpkin confine YOU
[19:25:41] <adaptr> ++
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[19:30:18] <rob0> So, do we have any posts to fix?
[19:31:04] <adaptr> In Soviet Russia, postfix YOU
[19:31:55] <rob0> adaptr: radar contact, turn left heading zero three zero, climb and maintain one five thousand.
[19:32:05] <adaptr> roger, roger
[19:32:25] <lunaphyte_> does anyone know victor's vector?
[19:32:47] <rob0> Ask Clarence if we have clearance.
[19:33:22] * adaptr is joining the mile high club, and couldn't care less
[19:33:46] <lunaphyte_> i thought i was missing a pumpkin.
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[19:38:55] <adaptr> I can go one better:
[19:39:04] <adaptr> In Soviet Russia, fix post YOU
[19:39:57] * lunaphyte_ hopes to god suuuper has some problem to distract us.
[19:40:18] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: yeah, he has problems with soviet russia
[19:40:27] <sysmonk> oh, did i say it in lowercase?!
[19:40:30] <lunaphyte_> oh no.
[19:40:31] * sysmonk runs
[19:41:08] <rob0> sysmonk <3 Soviet Russia
[19:41:30] <lunaphyte_> err: command sysmonk requires at least one argument.
[19:41:50] <rob0> Let him argue with the Russians.
[19:42:01] * seekwill brings vodka
[19:42:48] <rob0> adaptr turn right heading zero six five, when able direct Kirksville on course, climb and maintain flight level two three zero.
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[19:46:29] * sysmonk looks at rob0, how much vodka did you have today?
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[19:46:55] <rob0> adaptr: contact Kansas City Center, one three two point niner five, see you on the way back, good day.
[19:46:55] <adaptr> no, his suggestions have a certain merit
[19:48:40] <magyar_> hi, is there a way to reject mail that has a from header like this:  Received: from todoincalifornia.com (host210.zeolab.com [216.121.72.210])
[19:48:56] <magyar_> sorry Received header
[19:49:44] <lunaphyte_> !header_checks
[19:49:45] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "header_checks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection of primary non-MIME message headers, as specified in the header_checks(5) manual page.
[19:50:02] <rob0> filtering based on Received headers is ... odd.
[19:50:10] <rob0> !check_client_access
[19:50:10] <knoba> rob0: "check_client_access" : Search the named access database for the client name, parent domains, client address, or networks obtained by stripping least significant octets. Reject if the result is REJECT or [45]XX text . Permit otherwise
[19:50:12] <cpm> and kinda pointless I think
[19:50:44] <rob0> check_client_access cidr:/path/to/badhosts
[19:51:08] <rob0> /path/to/badhosts : 216.121.72.210 REJECT go away host210.zeolab.com
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[20:22:32] <recw> hi all:  my telnet session shows "relay access denied" here main.cf http://pastebin.ru/295027
[20:24:08] <recw> i think it somewhere in main.cf that reject sending
[20:24:08] <adaptr> and your log ?
[20:24:15] <recw> 5 sec
[20:24:50] <adaptr> recw: well, er.. duh. since main.cf holds any and all configuration, that would be more or less ovbious
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[20:26:49] <rob0> I bet I gave recw a "!relay_denied" factoid yesterday.
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[20:27:45] <recw> here log http://pastebin.ru/295028
[20:28:54] <lunaphyte_> who owns that rob0 bot?
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[20:29:29] <rob0> "rob0t"
[20:29:51] <lunaphyte_> yeah, like i'm gonna believe the bot.
[20:30:00] * cpm scoffs
[20:30:09] *** lunaphyte_ is now known as rob0t
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[20:30:19] <cpm> ~rob0 the chicken dance!
[20:30:21] <adaptr> !rob0t
[20:30:21] <rob0t> /part rob0 #postfix
[20:30:21] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "rob0t" is not a valid command.
[20:30:33] <rob0t> hmm.
[20:30:39] <rob0> scoffb0t
[20:31:08] <rob0t> /identify rob0t sp0rks
[20:31:21] <rob0t> /part rob0 #postfix
[20:31:51] *** rob0t is now known as lunaphyte_
[20:31:51] <neoeinstein> ...  wow ...
[20:31:56] <lunaphyte_> darn.  oh well.
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[20:32:45] <recw> so - any ideas?
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[20:33:13] <lunaphyte_> !deveined
[20:33:14] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "deveined" is not a valid command.
[20:33:23] <lunaphyte_> ha! yes!
[20:33:34] <lunaphyte_> oops
[20:33:36] <lunaphyte_> !denied
[20:33:36] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "denied" is not a valid command.
[20:33:45] <lunaphyte_> sigh
[20:33:52] <lunaphyte_> !relay_denied
[20:33:53] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[20:34:06] <lunaphyte_> maybe we need that bot after all.  i can't seem to get it right.
[20:34:34] <rob0> The rumors of my /part have been greatly exaggerated. -mark0 twain0
[20:34:47] <lunaphyte_> ++ funny.
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[20:38:00] <recw> knoba tnx - i thought that my conf optional way to relay mail: either ssl auth or mynetworks
[20:38:18] <adaptr> rob0: your part is frequently exaggerated, this is true
[20:38:56] <adaptr> recw: "ssl auth" is a null term; it's either SSL, or auth, or auth *over* SSL
[20:39:17] <lunaphyte_> !yw
[20:39:17] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "yw" : you're welcome
[20:39:30] <lunaphyte_> !tell recw yw
[20:41:39] <rob0> Actually you can use SSL certificates in place of AUTH.
[20:41:52] <rob0> permit_tls_clientcerts I think
[20:42:25] <rob0> But I bet that isn't what he meant :)
[20:44:12] <recw> lunaphyte_: yep - i try to use them - even whrn i mark smtp ssl option in outlook -he also don't want to send mail
[20:45:19] <recw> i think i'll manage that ssl)
[20:47:08] <rob0> !learn outlook as MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work.
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[20:49:30] <recw> ok
[20:49:57] <Deffie_> hi all, i'm trying to setup saslauthd using rimap but it sends just the user and not user@domain so it cant auth, i think this is a common problem, any hint ?
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[20:54:15] <thingy> Does anybody know of a online site or a utility which will read an e-mail header and visualy show where the delivery delays are occuring in e-mail?
[20:54:35] <devdas> No
[20:54:37] * cpm uses his eyes
[20:54:51] <cpm> thingy, what's at issue?
[20:54:53] * rob0 uses cpm's eyes
[20:55:07] * thingy wants to borrow cpm's eyes
[20:55:08] <cpm> no! don't do that! it creeps me out
[20:55:17] <Deffie_> cpm take a look at my question :P
[20:55:32] <rob0> with your eyes!
[20:55:42] <Deffie_> iea.
[20:55:58] * lunaphyte_ prints out an email and stuffs it up cpm's ass to see a visual map of the delivery delays.
[20:56:09] <cpm> Oh nice, thanks lunaphyte_
[20:56:11] <cpm> sheesh
[20:56:15] <thingy> cpm is not a very popular perosn today
[20:56:20] <thingy> person*
[20:56:26] <rob0> !cpm
[20:56:26] <lunaphyte_> perro?
[20:56:26] <knoba> rob0: "cpm" : an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers
[20:56:27] * cpm toddles off to dig
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[20:56:51] <lunaphyte_> donde esta my perro caliente?
[20:57:02] <lunaphyte_> err, mi
[20:57:44] 
[20:57:45] <cpm> I don't want to know where is your hot dog
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[20:58:11] <lunaphyte_> how'd you get that upside down one?  is that like the other day?
[20:58:16] <Deffie_> no way
[20:58:33] <Lars_G> Hi all, I've googled around about using postfix against an ActiveDirectory but all responses I got were much less than terse, is there any specific doc/howto you like about doing this?
[20:58:37] 
[20:58:38] <rob0> http://www.google.com/search?q=preguntas
[20:58:54] <lunaphyte_> jo soy el pollo gato con la mandibula del lobo.
[20:58:55] 
[20:58:59] <Lars_G> it's on my keyboard.
[20:59:01] <Lars_G> :P
[20:59:10] <Lars_G> the rest of the letters, I think it's an unicode character. afaik
[20:59:33] <rob0> Lars_G is cheating, being in .VE
[20:59:40] <Lars_G> Of course I am!
[20:59:41] <lunaphyte_> cheater!
[20:59:49] <Lars_G> It's noy my fault my keyboard is beefier than yours
[20:59:50] <Deffie_> i'm trying to setup saslauthd using rimap but it sends just the user and not user@domain so it cant auth, any hint ?
[20:59:55] <Deffie_> schnell!
[20:59:55] <lunaphyte_> cehaters never wean!
[20:59:58] <Lars_G> and I'm on the laptop otherwise I'd be able to do japanese too
[21:00:04] <Deffie_> lol :P
[21:00:19] <rob0> AD is merely a bastardized form of LDAP, so see the LDAP_README.
[21:00:24] <Lars_G> Anyhow I know my question must cause allergy in all of you, i don't like it any more than you do, but I need help.
[21:00:37] <rob0> pregunta
[21:00:39] <Lars_G> rob0: Yeah i know it's LDAP, my trouble is getting a good start with ldap on postfix
[21:00:49] <cpm> have some talent getting openldap to talk to AD, and you're mostly there.
[21:00:55] <Lars_G> rob0: I'm latinamerican so you can't throw me off by using spanish
[21:01:08] <Lars_G> ;)
[21:01:19] <devdas> Lars_G: but can I address you in chaste Hindi?
[21:01:33] <Lars_G> You can but it'll go over my head
[21:01:36] <cpm> Lars_G, you might be working it backwards. Will you be using imap, which imap if so?
[21:01:46] <Lars_G> in fact idk if my terminal font contains hindi chars.
[21:01:47] <rob0> !hare_krishna
[21:01:48] <knoba> rob0: Error: "hare_krishna" is not a valid command.
[21:01:58] <cpm> !chucknorris
[21:01:58] <knoba> cpm: "chucknorris" : Steven Seagal is CockPuncher
[21:02:21] <rob0> !learn hare_krishna as Rumor has it that "Hare Krishna" means "hire a consultant" in Hindi.
[21:02:26] <Lars_G> cpm: dovecot or courier, i can do either. I might be getting it backawrds, but I DO want to pull a list of "valid" local (or virtual) addresses from an LDAP filter.
[21:02:29] <Deffie_> cpm gimme your paypal account
[21:02:37] <Lars_G> rob0: lol
[21:03:04] <cpm> Lars_G, get your dovecot working with ldap, get ldap working with AD, then use dovecot-sasl with postfix, ,
[21:03:12] <Lars_G> Hare Krishna is, in fact, the same idea as Ave Maria
[21:03:14] <cpm> Deffie_, okay.
[21:03:15] <rob0> I used that one to great effect a few days ago. Had the place in stitches!
[21:03:30] <Lars_G> cpm: I plan to bang against AD directly I don't want to use an OpenLDAP wrapper :/
[21:03:36] <Lars_G> ah...
[21:03:39] <Lars_G> cpm: great you're right
[21:03:46] <rob0> cpm is supposed to be having his stitches removed this afternoon.
[21:04:00] <Lars_G> Meh removable stitches are a thing of the past
[21:04:09] <cpm> not 'round here
[21:04:12] <Lars_G> absorvable stitches is the wave of the future.
[21:04:17] <Lars_G> I like peppermint flavored ones
[21:04:20] <cpm> superglue is the way to do
[21:04:21] <devdas> stitches?
[21:04:22] <lunaphyte_> Lars_G: download a decent ldap browser, and see how the tree is actually layed out, then construct test queries with ldapsearch, then adapt those queries to a postfix lookup map.
[21:04:29] <Lars_G> Or was it that I was sewing myself with dental floss....
[21:04:42] <Lars_G> lunaphyte_: Yeah I should compile GQ and config it first, you're right
[21:04:53] <Lars_G> lunaphyte_: good advice I'll starte there
[21:04:59] <Deffie_> saslauthd rimap sends only user and not user@domain, what can i do ?
[21:05:13] <Lars_G> Deffie_: sue saslauthd
[21:05:43] * adaptr sues Lars_G
[21:05:54] <rob0> Rhode Island Marine Archaeology Project
[21:06:03] <Deffie_> Lars_G: excuse me what does sue mean ?
[21:06:03] <adaptr> Deffie_: use dovecot
[21:06:14] <devdas> Deffie_: send in a lawyer
[21:06:27] <Deffie_> uhm
[21:06:30] <devdas> Deffie_: you need to use the -r option to saslauthd
[21:06:58] <devdas> saslauthd -a rimap -O 127.0.0.1 -r
[21:07:03] <Deffie_> Combine the realm with the login (with an '@' sign in between).  e.g.  login: "foo" realm: "bar" will get passed as login: "foo@bar".
[21:07:04] <Lars_G> Deffie_: Italian?
[21:07:05] <Deffie_> ACH
[21:07:18] <Deffie_> i've read it n times
[21:07:21] <Deffie_> nnn.
[21:07:27] <Deffie_> yes, italian
[21:08:10] <Lars_G> Deffie_: I'll say this in spanish but since it's close to italian you might understand.
[21:08:24] <Lars_G> sue is demandar (demandare?), litigio,
[21:08:25] <Deffie_> Lars_G: lets try
[21:08:46] <Deffie_> O_o
[21:08:51] <Lars_G> I normally have more luck with portuguese speakers but italian and french are close too.
[21:09:04] <rob0> And thousand island!
[21:09:05] <Deffie_> asking for troubles ?
[21:09:16] <Lars_G> eh?
[21:09:23] <Lars_G> rob0: mmmm thousand island...
[21:09:25] <Deffie_> what you said
[21:09:27] <Lars_G> I haven't had any in years
[21:09:27] <cpm> tasty
[21:09:30] <Deffie_> "domandare litigio"
[21:09:36] <Deffie_> "asking for troubles"
[21:09:40] <Lars_G> Deffie_: eso, domandare.
[21:09:56] <Deffie_> domandare = to ask
[21:10:10] <Lars_G> Deffie_: doesn't it has two uses in italian too?
[21:10:18] <Lars_G> to ask, and to take some person to court
[21:10:40] <lunaphyte_> ensename tu marrano
[21:10:40] <Lars_G> sono domandare, en una corte
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[21:10:48] <Lars_G> o.O
[21:11:01] 
[21:11:12] <Lars_G> lunaphyte_: In latinamerica we tend to call them "cerdo"
[21:11:20] <Lars_G> wtf
[21:11:49] <Lars_G> Here I am on the border of a crisis trying to configure a fucking smtp server while the whole world calls me to whine, listening to Yes and talking about pigs with americans and italians on irc
[21:11:59] <Lars_G> at least it's interesting
[21:12:04] <rob0> :)
[21:12:05] <lunaphyte_> yeah,  lazy spanish, i know - so sue me.
[21:12:15] <Deffie_> Lars_G: haha
[21:12:17] <Lars_G> lunaphyte_: that's a mac sound
[21:12:23] <lunaphyte_> nice.
[21:12:56] <devdas> Lars_G: slapcat is your friend
[21:12:57] <rob0> No worries, hparker is here, all will be Right, very soon.
[21:13:06] <lunaphyte_> Lars_G: think of us less like the mechanic you call when your car starts making noise, and more like the radio you turn up to drown it out.
[21:13:08] <devdas> If yuo are using AD, remember to authenticate as the administrator
[21:13:37] * hparker thwaps rob0... Afternoon
[21:13:56] <rob0> administrador
[21:14:13] <lunaphyte_> elministrador
[21:14:31] <Deffie_> Lars_G: anyway i cant figure demandar domandare second meaning, maybe you mean "to send" ?
[21:14:31] <rob0> hparker, we've just been telling Jokes and goofing Off. Please thwap us all.
[21:14:35] <Lars_G> lol
[21:14:52] * hparker thwaps everyone, NCIS style
[21:14:52] <rob0> omnithwap
[21:14:57] <Lars_G> lunaphyte_: I'm a mechanic myself, so I'm exchanging tips with my fellows, I'm not an entitled whore user who comes and demands for help
[21:15:04] <Lars_G> and if someone asks something I DO know, I'll help
[21:15:04] <adaptr> god knows what mwalling 's been up to
[21:15:16] <Deffie_> Lars_G: consider that my four hundred users are wondering why they cant send mail :P
[21:15:20] <Lars_G> devdas: Slapcat? is that a database? or was it sleepycat
[21:15:25] <devdas> Lars_G: what have you tried?
[21:15:27] <hparker> adaptr: I thought it was your day to keep up with him?
[21:15:29] <Deffie_> Lars_G: err, four thousand...
[21:15:31] <devdas> slapcat is an openldap command
[21:15:39] <Lars_G> Deffie_: I have only 75 users, but they all have my extension number
[21:15:49] <Deffie_> Lars_G: thats horrible
[21:15:53] <rob0> slapcat creates an angry, frightened feline
[21:16:00] <hparker> heh
[21:16:10] <hparker> slapcat, the opposite of lolcat
[21:16:24] <Deffie_> ok lets do some work
[21:16:25] <Deffie_> bbl
[21:16:29] <rob0> tacpals if you pipe it to rev(1)
[21:16:31] <Lars_G> devdas: Nothing so far. the thing is, the old server was windows based, it died, I decided to exchange for a linux one once and for all... in four months I'll migrate activedirectory to openldap+samba on a linux machine controlled with gosa, but meanwhile I need to make postfix and dovecot work with AD's horrible LDAP
[21:16:33] <adaptr> ICANHASABUSE
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[21:17:00] <Lars_G> Which is the most tortuous ldap schema i've ever seen
[21:17:27] <devdas> Lars_G: you should be able to use slapcat to dump the entire AD tree
[21:17:45] <rob0> oh, that sounds like a nice kludge
[21:17:57] <Lars_G> devdas: that's nice but I gain nothing by replicating the tree to an openldap that I wont use right now and need to keep updated by hand.
[21:18:08] <rob0> a cron job to dump to hash files
[21:18:19] <devdas> nononononono
[21:18:24] <Lars_G> devdas: Plus, even with dumping the tree I won't be able afaik to get the passwords into the ldif file without special tweaks on the AD side, would I?
[21:18:32] <devdas> you dump to flat file, and figure out your LDAP queries
[21:18:38] <Lars_G> Ah ok.
[21:18:48] <devdas> Why would you want to import into openldap?
[21:18:51] <Lars_G> not bad but I'll try to configure GQ to access the AD and try my filters/queries on real time
[21:19:02] <devdas> IIRC, there's a field named 'email' which contains the email address
[21:19:13] <devdas> the maildir equivalent field does not exist
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[21:19:34] <adaptr> "email" is the standard specified in the inetorgperson schema
[21:19:35] <Lars_G> I think what I need is proxyMail or something
[21:19:48] <adaptr> and they do obey the inetorgperson schema
[21:20:05] <devdas> adaptr: as long as it is loaded
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[21:20:32] <adaptr> of course, when I say "obey", I mean "interpret liberally to suit their evil corporate plans"
[21:20:40] <Lars_G> adaptr: aye
[21:25:23] * sysmonk just killed himeslf
[21:25:27] <sysmonk> himself*
[21:25:31] <devdas> why?
[21:25:51] <sysmonk> accidentally commented out sleep()...
[21:26:09] <sysmonk> result: while (1) { fork..... }
[21:26:09] <devdas> from?
[21:26:16] <devdas> oops
[21:26:19] <sysmonk> ye
[21:26:29] <sysmonk> had to reboot my server ;/
[21:26:42] <sysmonk> but hey, it's a devel server afterall! :)
[21:27:00] <sysmonk> but it took me a while to find ILO ip and password of _this_ server
[21:29:27] <mwalling> adaptr: he doesnt
[21:29:55] <adaptr> who wha ?
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[21:44:29] <Lars_G> But if I use dovecot for my auth, wont the doves shit on the server?
[21:44:51] <rob0> yeah, that is the main drawback.
[21:45:07] <Lars_G> Seriously though
[21:45:15] <Lars_G> afaik dovecot all it cares about is username and password
[21:45:32] <Lars_G> I wonder if I'll use virtual as a transport for postfix, based on dovecot auth, how the hell am I gonna provide a maildir
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[21:53:18] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[21:53:18] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
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[22:00:47] <cpm> have a good weekend all
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[22:05:39] <recw> hey - whats erong with MS outlook? I can send mail through telnet session, but ms outlook shows err during sending mail, in its configuration test
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[22:11:52] <hparker> lookout sux, no news here.. move along please
[22:12:01] <seekwill> recw: tcpdump
[22:14:39] <seekwill> Nothing wrong with Outlook :)
[22:15:13] <hparker> well, there's sure nothing right with it
[22:15:53] <seekwill> It works very well with Exchange
[22:16:04] <seekwill> I wouldn't use it with Postfix...
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[22:16:45] <hparker> I wouldn't run exchange....
[22:17:02] <mwalling> 15:15 < adaptr> god knows what mwalling 's been up to
[22:17:11] <mwalling> 15:29 < mwalling> adaptr: he doesnt
[22:17:23] <recw> here tcpdump http://pastebin.ru/295035
[22:17:33] <scruggs> I'm having a problem sending mail from my postfix setup. Receiving works fine.  My public IP is setup with NAT to point to my local ip on the box, nothing fancy.  /etc/hosts file is setup and working fine.  But sending it uses DNS to lookup the address, which resolves to my public ip so I get a connection timed out message.  I've looked at transport maps and proxy but nothing is working... any ideas?
[22:18:58] * hparker hands scruggs a copy of bind using split views
[22:19:06] <seekwill> recw: You can read the tcpdump yourself and compare the diff :)
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[22:19:57] <recw> seekwill: sure)
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[22:21:49] <scruggs> hparker: I thought about that (did that a  couple of years ago on another server)... the *real* DNS records aren't on this box. Would setting up a DNS server on the box with split views and using it just for the local box be the way to go?
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[22:24:02] <hparker> I think it would solve your problem
[22:24:26] <scruggs> cool. thanks for the tip - I'll give it a shot
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[22:32:06] <shasta> you could also use something smaller/lighter, like dnsmasq
[22:32:59] * scruggs googles dnsmasq...
[22:38:14] <recw> bye2all
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[22:45:29] <Lars_G> What was the option to have postfix create the destination file/dir if it doesn't exist?
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[22:52:21] <Lars_G> And is there any way to specify I'm delivering to a maildir other than finishing in / ?
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[22:55:08] <Lars_G> Please :'(
[22:55:21] <rob0> !maildir
[22:55:21] <knoba> rob0: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
[22:57:39] <Lars_G> rob0: So the answer is no?
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[22:58:34] <rob0> well ... what is the problem?
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[23:02:00] <Lars_G> YAY I made it work with ldap_result_format
[23:02:06] <Lars_G> setting it to %s/
[23:02:07] <Lars_G> ;)
[23:02:26] <Lars_G> Ok postfix works, against AD by itself. no dovecot help
[23:02:29] <Lars_G> now, to setup dovecot
[23:02:38] <Lars_G> should be simple
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[23:36:34] <tmus> is there a way to make all mails, that would normally trigger a "550 user unknown", relay to a specified host?
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[23:45:01] <dragonheart> tmus: i'd think you'd normally setup a map for deliver of known local recipients and make a default to the other location
[23:45:24] <tmus> a default?
[23:46:14] <rob0> Sounds like a crazy idea to me, but who am I to argue with Vikings?
[23:46:48] <dragonheart> default transport. forget the exact thinking. just woke up.
[23:47:21] <dragonheart> rob0: no vikings here  afaik -- though i'd like your safe
[23:47:48] <tmus> dragonheart, thanks - looking into it
[23:47:49] <dragonheart> brain failure - must be work time
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