July 1, 2008 
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July 1, 2008 [00:00:51] *** suuuper has quit IRC[00:06:11] *** tombar has quit IRC[00:06:30] *** ploploop has joined #postfix[00:07:16] <ek> sysmonk: Sort of. But, it still doesn't seem to help...[00:07:39] <ek> Give me a second to make sure everything is 'correct' and then I'll probably ask for a little bit of assistance.[00:07:48] <ek> It's a mail forwarding loops when 'vacation' is enabled.[00:07:53] <ek> Can't seem to get around it.[00:09:36] *** PcPixel has quit IRC[00:09:36] <ek> Hrm. Everything seems fine.[00:10:17] *** neoeinstein has quit IRC[00:10:24] <ek> sysmonk: You know why this -> \ek, "|/usr/bin/vacation ek" <- in my ~/.forward file would cause a mail forwarding loop?[00:10:51] <ek> Vacation gets the mail fine and the reply is sent without an issue. But, the mail never gets delivered. The sender get a "Undeliverable..." mail returned to them.[00:11:11] <ek> Obviously with a 'mail forwarding loop for ...' error.[00:11:41] <ek> Watching the logs, I see the mail get sent to vacation, then to the user which it is not seeing as local or something. Although, it says 'relay=local'.[00:14:23] <ek> Oh didn't see he was leaving for bed. Lol.[00:14:26] <ek> sysmonk: Catch you tomorrow.[00:16:59] *** ploploop has quit IRC[00:21:56] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[00:34:45] <tombar_> after a system upgrade postfix is reporting it cant connect to mysql socket, i already check i can connect to that socket, any idea or tip?[00:35:13] <devdas> chroot[00:38:04] <mwalling> !debug[00:38:05] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .[00:39:02] *** hever has quit IRC[00:39:07] <tombar_> thanks guys, im gonna check and report back :)[00:39:18] <rob0> !chroot[00:39:18] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug and !queue_directory .[00:39:52] *** hever has joined #postfix[00:41:19] *** BBishop has quit IRC[00:47:03] <rob0> ek, myorigin not set right?[00:51:11] *** cilly has quit IRC[00:51:52] <jMCg> rob0: what'd you use as spam filter?[00:52:09] <rob0> !cheatsheet[00:52:10] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.[00:52:13] <rob0> !zen[00:52:14] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL[00:52:46] <rob0> if I had badly-hit users, I'd also use amavisd-new and SA with URIBL checks[00:53:03] <rob0> but for now, I get by without content filtering[00:55:03] *** war9407 has quit IRC[00:55:56] * mwalling does the opposite, i do all content filtering and minimal pre-DATA checks (and no greylisting)[00:56:47] <mwalling> i would rather deliver a potential message from a broken host to a users spamfolder, keep it for 30 days, then trash it then reject somthing i wanted[00:58:35] <rob0> I quite disagree with that. My host-based FP rate is far less than content-based FP's, and a sender gets his bounce right away. Your FP in the spamfolder might never be seen.[01:00:08] <rob0> Furthermore, if I reject someone, chances are, most of the rest of the Internet would reject them too, so they know their email doesn't work.[01:00:31] * mwalling deals with knuckleheads at the firehouse[01:00:43] <mwalling> diskspace is cheap too[01:02:07] *** hever has quit IRC[01:11:15] * vice-versa agrees with rob0[01:11:18] <vice-versa> pre-data spam control++[01:11:38] <devdas> mwalling: disk writes are not[01:14:02] <vice-versa> ditto for cpu instructions[01:16:44] <ek> rob0: Seems to be set correctly. Although, I haven't had a serious chance to look through everything yet. This is a mail server that I 1) Did not set up. 2) Am taking over due to the last admin's fail at life...[01:16:49] <ek> So, I'm sure I'll have my hands full.[01:17:07] <ek> rob0: Anyhow, I've already left work... So, I'll check all that out tomorrow.[01:17:42] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[01:19:36] <vice-versa> fail at life? sounds fatal[01:23:36] <ek> vice-versa: It was in terms of employment. :P Nothing serious happened to him physically.[01:23:39] <ek> ... I don't think anyway.[01:24:15] <devdas> http://nixcartel.org/~devdas/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Cover-letter&id=cheque[01:25:12] <vice-versa> ek: ahh, I see, dead admin walking[01:29:13] <vice-versa> devdas: what's the story behind that?[01:35:58] <devdas> vice-versa: a bugfix[01:36:13] * devdas is going to send that picture around as a cover letter[01:37:31] <vice-versa> bugfix?, I know he offers this for those who spot problems in his published books[01:40:40] *** cafuego has joined #postfix[01:43:43] <devdas> also on his website[01:44:14] <vice-versa> so what was it your found?[01:45:57] <devdas> a minor typo[01:48:49] *** devdas has quit IRC[01:50:42] <vice-versa> :)[02:06:21] <ek> vice-versa: Yeah. He did some 'silly' things.[02:06:44] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[02:09:39] <ek> Hrm. I wonder why my Thunderbird at work seems to display the proper format for my nightly system e-mails while my Thunderbird here at home doesn't...?[02:09:47] <ek> Doesn't seem to be any settings differences.[02:20:51] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[02:21:11] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[02:24:18] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[02:27:04] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[02:53:36] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[02:55:39] *** DarklyCute has joined #postfix[02:58:40] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|bbl[03:06:56] *** DarklyCute has quit IRC[03:09:24] <ek> Whoa... Now what?![03:09:26] <ek> Cripes...[03:10:58] *** Tachy_ has joined #postfix[03:12:17] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[03:24:31] *** Tachy has quit IRC[03:24:59] <sahil> which 'database' holds the default values that are queried by postconf -d?[03:27:50] *** makerc has joined #postfix[03:31:21] <rob0> They're compiled in defaults, probably all within the postconf(1) binary itself.[03:31:29] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[03:31:43] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[03:32:52] <sahil> n/m, found it in the code. global/mail_params.c.[03:33:07] <sahil> a little recursion in grep helps. :)[03:33:09] <sahil> hiya, rob0.[03:36:25] <rob0> strings /usr/sbin/postconf | less # found 'em too[03:44:36] *** pirho_ has quit IRC[03:45:34] *** githogori has quit IRC[03:57:45] *** Dewi has joined #postfix[03:59:07] <ek> strings <3[04:08:04] *** pitakill has quit IRC[04:44:04] *** makerc has quit IRC[04:45:17] *** keffer has quit IRC[04:45:44] *** vinces has joined #postfix[04:52:01] *** doepain_ has joined #PostFix[05:01:18] *** tshine has quit IRC[05:03:21] *** Zeit|awy_ has joined #postfix[05:09:23] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[05:17:50] *** cambo has joined #postfix[05:25:41] *** Matt has joined #postfix[05:35:56] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[05:35:57] *** _glitch- is now known as glitch-[05:39:22] *** hark has quit IRC[05:46:42] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[05:49:01] *** xpoint has quit IRC[05:50:49] *** FlyingSquirrel31 has joined #postfix[05:51:39] <FlyingSquirrel31> Can someone help me out? I'm doing this: openssl x509 -req -days 3650 -in smtpd.csr -signkey smtpd.key -out smtpd.crt[05:51:52] <FlyingSquirrel31> And I get this: unable to write 'random state'[05:52:20] <FlyingSquirrel31> I have rights to write in the current directory.[05:52:43] <FlyingSquirrel31> I'm following the directions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix[05:53:32] *** doepain_ has left #postfix[05:55:37] <FlyingSquirrel31> I'm trying to enable authentication for SMTP.[06:11:49] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[06:14:16] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:14:48] <FlyingSquirrel31> Alternativly, I'd be grateful if somone could just help me get my SMTP server to authenticate the clients.[06:43:25] <Dominian> !sasl[06:43:26] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[07:06:03] <FlyingSquirrel31> Thanks Dominian I think I have things almost working, I'm stuck on this error now:[07:06:04] <FlyingSquirrel31> * Short name (NAME) undefined in /etc/default/saslauthd, using default[07:06:04] <FlyingSquirrel31> * Starting default * No run directory defined for default, not starting[07:06:21] *** vinces has left #postfix[07:07:17] <FlyingSquirrel31> The unable to write error seems to have been caused because I was supposed to do it as sudo, although it was not specified in the directions.[07:07:58] <FlyingSquirrel31> Googling this short name error isn't bringing up many results either.[07:09:02] <FlyingSquirrel31> I get the abover error when I try to start saslauthd[07:26:09] *** idle-boy`` has quit IRC[07:28:16] *** idle-boy`` has joined #postfix[07:31:02] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[07:45:17] *** amrit|bbl is now known as amrit[07:47:14] *** sophokles1 has joined #postfix[07:51:30] *** githogori has joined #postfix[07:52:06] *** hever has joined #postfix[07:56:01] *** cambo has quit IRC[07:59:00] *** goldenfox has joined #postfix[07:59:30] <goldenfox> dkim is a real mess[08:00:17] *** m_p has joined #postfix[08:00:55] *** albech has joined #postfix[08:04:07] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:09:44] <albech> hi guys. im looking for a good way to control the way messages are handled after postfix receive them. Each user on my system can decide if they want spam filtering and or virus filtering, other features might be added later. Is there a neat way to control this in postfix or should i have maildrop do additional sql lookups and handle the filtering etc. This lead me to another question. Is there a way to pass a sql lookup from postfix[08:12:51] *** vice-versa has quit IRC[08:20:20] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[08:27:32] *** syneus has joined #postfix[08:27:42] *** Draecos has left #postfix[08:31:15] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[08:31:31] <adaptr> per-user controls are best handled by the user[08:31:37] *** phnord has joined #postfix[08:31:41] <adaptr> it's not the MTAs job[08:35:05] <xpoint> albech, see policyd v2, google for it, there you can controla content filter pr recipient and more[08:35:33] <adaptr> he said controllable *by* the user[08:35:36] <adaptr> not a chance[08:35:49] <adaptr> and a lousy idea[08:35:52] <xpoint> adaptr, well its a job olso for mta to do content scanning[08:36:16] <adaptr> when enabled, sure[08:36:22] <xpoint> policyd v2 can this sooner or later[08:36:54] <adaptr> and that makes it good ?[08:37:08] <adaptr> you want postfix to become as unto Exchange ? blasphemer![08:37:14] <albech> i dont see why it should be bad to do?[08:37:24] <adaptr> because it is *not the MTAs job*[08:37:33] <albech> that i can understand[08:37:43] <xpoint> adaptr, you talk about lda ?[08:37:49] <albech> but in general you also consider it a bad thing to let the users decide?[08:38:00] <adaptr> clean separation of functionalitiy is what defines a solid and secure system[08:38:21] <adaptr> albech: if you as the sysadmin want to let them decide, then it would be your choice :)[08:38:26] <adaptr> I would never[08:38:34] <xpoint> yep remove lda from postfix then its clean :-)[08:38:47] <adaptr> xpoint: stop babbling[08:39:12] <xpoint> adaptr, postfix have policy for a reason[08:39:27] <adaptr> yes, mostly to stop spam *to the MTA*[08:39:31] <adaptr> not to a single recipient[08:39:45] <xpoint> how ?[08:39:50] <xpoint> why not ?[08:40:03] <xpoint> policy is pr recipinet, don troll[08:40:26] <adaptr> policy does not have a pre-defined usage scenario[08:40:37] <xpoint> currect[08:40:41] <adaptr> as it is also used to implement greylisting and SPF checking and the like[08:40:50] <adaptr> which are NOT per-recipient[08:40:59] <adaptr> rather the opposite[08:41:03] <xpoint> not true[08:41:16] <adaptr> whatever[08:41:31] <xpoint> all policy daemonds that uses policy in postfix is pr recipient[08:42:26] <albech> xpoint: so you think i should do it in postfix?[08:42:46] <xpoint> try sending as multi recipient mail to postmaster and 1000 others poeple, see the headers in mail to postmaster, 1000 prepends[08:43:06] <adaptr> won't work, as I forbid it[08:43:12] <adaptr> 10 recipients max[08:43:39] <xpoint> that have notthing to do with policy, but yes its still work with 10[08:43:54] <adaptr> I know, I was just fucking with ya[08:44:15] *** Mavvie_ has quit IRC[08:44:17] <xpoint> albech, i say policyd v2 and amavisd, thats still the best option so far there is[08:44:51] <Dewi> I have always used virtual alias domains in the past, drawn from a virtual aliases file... I am considering other approaches[08:44:54] *** Mavvie has joined #postfix[08:45:16] <Dewi> is it possible to have system accounts without any delivery allowed?[08:45:18] <xpoint> adaptr, i create a policyd that handle rbl pr recipient but no one listen :-)[08:46:47] <adaptr> put it on a web site blog thingy and link to it[08:48:47] *** vice-versa has joined #postfix[08:50:08] <robtone_> postfix can handle policy daemons per recipient[08:50:43] <Dewi> does postfix accept mail for users like 'sshd' and 'nobody'?[08:50:45] <f3ew> Dewi yes[08:51:00] <Dewi> oh, that's probably all aliased[08:51:31] <Dewi> okay, sshd and ntop aren't aliased[08:51:43] <Dewi> does that mean postfix is populating mail spools for these non-users?[08:51:51] <Dewi> if some happens to come in...[08:52:57] <Dewi> confirmed... I now have a /var/spool/mail/sshd[08:53:09] <Dewi> it seems wrong to accept mail unnecessarily like that[08:53:41] <Dewi> there are many reasons to have users on your system without necessarily wanting them to accept mail[08:54:16] <Dewi> frankly I'm surprised I'm not already getting spam there :P[08:54:29] <f3ew> Use the error: transport, or a check_recipient_access with a reject[09:04:03] *** FlyingSquirrel31 has left #postfix[09:04:49] *** master_o1_master is now known as master_of_master[09:24:23] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[09:25:30] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:33:38] *** loompek has quit IRC[09:33:47] *** loompek has joined #postfix[09:38:00] *** loompek has quit IRC[09:38:00] *** cafuego has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** tris has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** rizi has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** noneo has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** mXr has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** adie_ has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** bondoer has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** bpgoldsb has quit IRC[09:38:01] *** mrcoala has quit IRC[09:38:55] *** loompek has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** cafuego has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** tris has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** rizi has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** noneo has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** mXr has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** adie_ has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** bondoer has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** bpgoldsb has joined #postfix[09:38:55] *** mrcoala has joined #postfix[09:39:02] *** tris has quit IRC[09:41:33] *** tris has joined #postfix[09:42:57] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix[09:43:03] <Tex-Twil> good morning[09:43:51] <Tex-Twil> please, I would like to use the smtp-sink for debugging and I'd like to dump the received mails to a file[09:44:13] <Tex-Twil> according to this doc http://www.postfix.org/smtp-sink.1.html it is possible with the -d option[09:44:25] <Tex-Twil> but my smtp-sink doesnt have such an option[09:45:02] <Tex-Twil> I have postfix 2.3.8 on Debian[09:57:04] <Marticus> if I were to put always_bcc in master.cf, where would I put it so that it does not copy email rejected by postfix, e.g., invalid recipients?[09:57:30] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:58:08] *** mybb has joined #postfix[10:00:11] <mybb> in binding to ldap, do I need to put password in quote? eg: bind_pw = "password" ?[10:00:34] <mybb> (my password has special chars)[10:04:12] *** xpoint has quit IRC[10:10:13] *** tombar_ has quit IRC[10:13:32] *** AllenJB has quit IRC[10:23:15] *** amrit is now known as amrit|zzz[10:25:17] *** af_ has joined #postfix[10:25:34] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[10:27:00] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[10:30:49] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[10:33:07] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:33:15] *** thojo has joined #postfix[10:33:20] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[10:33:38] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[10:36:23] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[10:36:28] <thojo> My ext. MTA is transporting all valid mail to my next MTA using transport_maps, but I wan't all mail to spam@domain to be stored locally. I've created an exception in my transport_maps, but I need to use a local mail store. Any suggestions about which one?[10:36:46] *** AllenJB has joined #postfix[10:37:03] <sysmonk> thojo: whichever you want?[10:38:10] <thojo> sysmonk: hehe okay.. I think I'll go for dovecot, which I know allready.. tnx[10:38:41] <sysmonk> heh, sure, i don't think it matters that much for _one_ mailbox[10:39:18] <thojo> sysmonk: you'r right. it's just for learning spam to SA..[10:41:57] <sysmonk> so, maybe a transport map which feeds the mail to sa-learn automatically will do the trick?[10:42:00] <sysmonk> ;)[10:42:07] <sysmonk> or you want to review it before doing so?[10:48:34] *** wdp__ has joined #postfix[10:49:17] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[10:50:14] <thojo> sysmonk: That would be smart.. But I don't know how to do it.. No need to review as the users will forward junk to the spam-alias anyway..[10:51:15] <hparker> Letting users submit mail that will be run through sa-learn without review isn't a good idea imo[10:51:19] *** wdp has quit IRC[10:52:00] <sysmonk> thojo: make a transport map which uses pipe(8)[10:52:06] <sysmonk> and 'pipes' it to sa-learn[10:52:49] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[10:53:46] <thojo> sysmonk: I'll take a look at it.. :)[11:03:14] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[11:16:08] *** madrescher has quit IRC[11:17:05] *** pulsar has quit IRC[11:17:46] *** pulsar has joined #postfix[11:21:09] <Marticus> if I were to put always_bcc in master.cf, where would I put it so that it does not copy email rejected by postfix, e.g., invalid recipients?[11:24:09] <f3ew> in your smtpd line?[11:25:32] <Marticus> if you're asking me, I don't know[11:25:51] <Marticus> if I put the line in main.cf, all email is copied, including rejected messages[11:26:07] *** Gibbonz has joined #postfix[11:26:30] <Marticus> so I was thinking it could go in master.cf in such a way that it copies -after- rejects[11:26:32] *** af_ has quit IRC[11:27:58] <f3ew> It always copies after rejects[11:28:32] <Marticus> that's not how it appears to be functioning[11:29:27] <Marticus> there are plenty of messages which are destined for commonly abused email addresses like info, which clearly do not exist[11:29:30] *** albech has quit IRC[11:34:06] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[11:36:34] *** cpm has joined #postfix[11:37:58] *** _goldenfox has joined #postfix[11:40:14] <Marticus> then again, maybe the customer was on crack[11:41:01] <cpm> naw,that's passe` now, it's all meth[11:41:09] <f3ew> heh[11:41:44] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[11:43:19] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC[11:44:23] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[11:48:56] *** goldenfox has quit IRC[11:53:51] *** xpoint has quit IRC[11:59:11] *** albech has joined #postfix[12:14:17] *** mybb has quit IRC[12:15:03] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[12:20:31] *** Gibbonz has quit IRC[12:22:27] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[12:22:47] *** nfsnobody has joined #postfix[12:23:27] *** Jax has joined #postfix[12:23:43] <Jax> hmm... why is mail.gmx.net in dnsbl.sorbs.net ?[12:26:40] <wdp__> is it really?[12:26:44] <wdp__> they should add aol too![12:27:17] <hparker> and hotmail and gmail[12:30:08] *** Jax has quit IRC[12:30:38] <Trengo> because sorbs has a huge warning on their site[12:31:03] <Trengo> saying they will add everybody in the whole world![12:31:19] <hparker> heh[12:33:21] *** nfsnobody- has quit IRC[12:40:39] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:42:58] *** Kot_Bayun has joined #postfix[12:48:54] *** Kot_Bayun has left #postfix[12:51:36] *** pa has joined #postfix[12:53:08] <rob0> Freemail sites often do get listed in more aggressive RBLs, because they are a source of abuse. Freemail providers have to stay vigilant. Some (outblaze) do a better job than others.[12:54:26] <padde> that's why blacklists suck ;)[12:54:35] <sysmonk> that's why they rule;)[12:54:38] <Roobarb> thats why freemailers suck...[12:54:48] <rob0> No, Roobarb has it right.[12:54:53] <padde> well-trained bayes (+ a bit blacklist stuff) ftw[12:55:24] <hparker> you just said blacklists suck[12:55:28] <padde> without freemailers my sister, mother and grandma wouldn't email... so no, they don't suck[12:55:30] <rob0> Most sites are not going to want to use the likes of SORBS and Spamcop for outright blocking.[12:55:36] <padde> hparker: yes, blacklists alone ;)[12:55:59] <rob0> What sucks is people who get into fighting spam without understanding it.[12:56:21] <padde> rob0: now we have a concensus ;)[12:56:28] <hparker> zen is safe for rejection[12:56:38] <jpalmer> spamcop is an awesome idea in theory. in practice, it's horrible.[12:57:01] * cpm rejects hparker[12:57:04] <hparker> it's ok for scoring[12:57:06] <rob0> But, spamcop in a scoring mechanism can help a lot.[12:57:10] * hparker feels rejected[12:57:24] <jpalmer> scoring yes, I thought we were talking about outright blocking. sorry[12:57:27] <sysmonk> hparker: no, you're not rejected[12:57:31] <sysmonk> hparker: you're DISCARD'ed:P[12:57:39] * hparker feels trashed[12:57:49] <rob0> hparker ==> hotmail[12:57:54] <hparker> eeekk!!!![12:58:00] <rob0> 250 OK[12:58:29] * hparker really ought to go to bed[12:58:39] * rob0 was wondering about that[12:58:40] <sysmonk> rob0: they have 250 OK for all mails[12:59:04] <rob0> I'm waiting for the coffee pot to finish ...[12:59:07] <hparker> Well, yeah... If they accept me...[12:59:20] * f3ew uses SORBS[12:59:25] <sysmonk> Fallenou: ouch[12:59:40] * Roobarb uses zen and sorbs[12:59:47] <sysmonk> heh, if you feal rejected - send a mail to hotmail, they'll always 250 OK accept ya[12:59:49] * hparker smacks sysmonk's tab around a bit[13:00:00] * sysmonk smacks his tab too[13:03:23] <rob0> HEY, when are you going to get around to PAYING that tab?[13:03:37] * rob0 is tired of providing the free beer[13:03:56] * hparker hides in the corner[13:04:29] * hparker points at cpm[13:04:40] * cpm sits quietly in the corner[13:06:54] <jpalmer> do a little dance[13:07:20] <hparker> hrrmm... cpm in a g-string... ewwww!!![13:07:41] <jpalmer> make a little love?[13:07:44] <jpalmer> haha[13:07:46] * robtone_ puts hparker in a c++-string[13:08:25] * cpm stabs out his own eyes in horror[13:08:26] * hparker hopes everyone has blindfolds[13:09:40] <rob0> Oedipus? Where is that mo'fo'?[13:10:39] <cpm> dunno, have some octopus cables though[13:10:46] <cpm> if that helps[13:17:33] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[13:17:44] *** _zsh has joined #postfix[13:20:42] *** Southron has joined #Postfix[13:20:51] *** Draecos has quit IRC[13:24:04] <cpm> Oh nice[13:24:07] <cpm> http://paste.debian.net/?show=8968;lines=0[13:31:36] * Fallenou ouch back sysmonk[13:36:29] *** goldenfox has joined #postfix[13:38:59] *** _zsh has quit IRC[13:47:31] *** _goldenfox has quit IRC[13:49:28] <Dewi> if I set up virtual domain mail delivery[13:49:47] <Dewi> I am able to get dovecot to ask postfix about the users to do the IMAP/POP3 thing[13:49:58] <Dewi> but then dovecot can't authenticate normal system users[13:50:11] <Dewi> (at least, from following the instructions I was)[13:50:45] <Dewi> I'm not even sure I want virtual domain users to be honest[13:50:57] <Dewi> I'd feel better if I knew how to properly control access for system users[13:54:02] *** _goldenfox has joined #postfix[13:54:44] <Roobarb> Dewi: Dovecot can auth system accounts just fine[13:55:06] <Dewi> Roobarb: not once I tell it to do auth via postfix[13:55:24] <Roobarb> so don't do that...[13:55:46] <Dewi> Roobarb: I kind of need IMAP for both local and virtual users[13:56:28] * Roobarb doesn't use virtual accounts[13:56:30] <Roobarb> sorry[13:56:54] <Dewi> yeah, I am starting to think they are more trouble than they are worth, at my small scale[13:57:41] <Dewi> virtual aliases are easier to understand[13:58:22] <Dewi> but I don't like the side-effect that when I alias 'foo at virtualdomain dot com' to the local 'foo.virtualdomain' user, I am also unintentionally allowing delivery to 'foo.virtualdomain.myrealdomain'[13:58:27] <Dewi> er[13:58:34] <Dewi> 'foo.virtualdomain@myrealdomain'[14:03:34] *** goldenfox has quit IRC[14:03:40] *** goldenfox has joined #postfix[14:03:52] <robtone_> helo=<Wireless_Broadband_Router>[14:03:55] * robtone_ sighs[14:04:19] <cpm> heh[14:04:31] <hparker> spam from a router....[14:05:00] <robtone_> yeah, seems to be sold as "open per default"[14:05:10] <cpm> I used to send my letters to the whitehouse out of publicly accessable routers, but those days are sadly long gone.[14:05:12] <robtone_> google is full with this[14:05:52] * robtone_ wishes they would sell dsl routers with proxy+auth - but no - they must sell them with open smtps[14:06:55] <mwalling> dsl routers have smtps now?[14:07:15] <robtone_> mwalling, http://www.google.com/search?q=helo%3D%3CWireless_Broadband_Router%3E[14:07:22] <robtone_> it seems so[14:09:10] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[14:15:59] *** _goldenfox has quit IRC[14:16:20] *** _goldenfox has joined #postfix[14:16:49] * hparker adds Wireless_Broadband_Router to helo_checks[14:17:06] <cpm> cat /var/log/maillog | grep Wireless_Broadband_Router | wc -l[14:17:09] <cpm> 2655[14:17:10] <cpm> heh[14:17:42] * hparker hands cpm the Useless Use Of cat award[14:18:06] <cpm> cat is an excellent starting point, for those of us who know how to use bash[14:18:18] <rob0> Useless use of cpm[14:18:30] <cpm> cat feeding a pipe, keeps you from having to retype lines[14:18:45] <cpm> as opposed to those droopy greppers[14:18:47] <js_> when i try to mail a local address i get "unroutable address", what can cause that?[14:18:49] <hparker> grep -c Wireless_Broadband_Router /var/log/mail.log[14:18:54] <hparker> 44[14:19:10] *** _goldenfox has quit IRC[14:19:36] <rob0> See? That cat wasn't useless, he caught 2611 more of those.[14:19:52] <cpm> droopy man, droopy[14:19:53] <hparker> lol[14:19:57] <cpm> heh[14:20:44] <mwalling> pool-71-170-201-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net[14:20:47] <mwalling> hmmm[14:20:57] <mwalling> time to flame verizon[14:21:15] <mwalling> yup[14:21:17] <cpm> shame on you for accepting connections from them[14:21:31] <mwalling> ?[14:21:48] <mwalling> wouldnt you do unauthed_recipient before rbl?[14:22:16] <cpm> example?[14:22:43] <hparker> /etc/postfix/postfix_regexp_table:/^static\-[0-9]+\-[0-9]+\-[0-9]+\-[0-9]+\.[0-9a-z\-]+\.(dsl\-w|east|fios)\.verizon\.net/ REJECT Sorry, but we refuse mail directly from hosts with generic reverse DNS. Please use another outbound mail server.[14:22:43] <mwalling> nvm[14:22:53] <cpm> note that folks using my mta to send mail, use submission, and are subject to different rules[14:23:00] <mwalling> i didnt see what server that was coming from[14:23:03] <cpm> hparker, nice[14:23:07] * hparker thought he had pool in there, must be in a different rule[14:23:13] <mwalling> its comming from the more strict work-related server[14:23:24] * rob0 dives into the pool[14:23:28] <mwalling> cpm: humor me... grep /var/log/maillog.3.gz:Jun 11 11:42:58 edison postfix/smtpd[6150]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from pool-71-184-147-132.bstnma.fios.verizon.net[71.184.147.132]: 504 5.5.2 <Wireless_Broadband_Router>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<tek36 at icqmail dot com> to=<webmaster at dstar dot org> proto=ESMTP helo=<Wireless_Broadband_Router>[14:23:34] <mwalling> damn mouse in putty[14:23:34] <hparker> *SPLASH*[14:23:36] <mwalling> eourhsghoisn'asd[14:23:43] * rob0 gets the channel all wet[14:23:57] <jelly> helo Wireless_Broadband_Router, nice name[14:23:58] <mwalling> cpm: humor me... grep Wireless_Broadband_Router /var/log/maillog | grep -v fios | wc -l ?[14:24:06] *** wdp__ has quit IRC[14:24:20] <cpm> cannonball![14:24:30] <rob0> they're all Verizons?[14:24:48] <mwalling> rob0: all of mine are, but my sample pool is much smaller then cpm's[14:25:19] <rob0> unknown[96.245.44.16] the only one I have at home[14:25:26] <cpm> yeah, all verizons here too[14:25:33] <rob0> pool-96-245-44-16.phlapa.fios.verizon.net.[14:25:44] <hparker> mwalling: Only 1 out of my 44 has fios in it[14:25:58] <mwalling> hparker: huh[14:26:04] <mwalling> all of mine are fios[14:26:05] <rob0> Host pool-96-245-44-16.phlapa.fios.verizon.net. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)[14:26:21] <hparker> In fact, only one is verizon[14:26:22] *** goldenfox has quit IRC[14:26:31] * cpm wants to remove all his rules, and just bathe in spam for a while[14:26:42] <hparker> ugh[14:27:16] <hparker> Make that 16 now that I fixed my grep[14:27:16] *** phnord has quit IRC[14:27:29] *** phnord has joined #postfix[14:28:03] <hparker> Ok, the others look like verizon space without rDNS[14:28:08] <rob0> Are the non-Verizors ... yup[14:28:16] <rob0> that is what I have[14:32:19] *** Nockian has quit IRC[14:33:16] *** macoute has joined #postfix[14:33:31] <macoute> hello[14:33:38] <macoute> and on here too: i have an email-server running on domain foo.com. i want to host domains bar.com mail there too. do i need to change anything else than mx-record on domain bar.com and foo.com's postfix-settings?[14:34:07] <Roobarb> $mydestination probably[14:34:45] <shasta> !mydestination[14:34:46] <knoba> shasta: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.[14:35:04] <shasta> !basic[14:35:05] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[14:35:09] <shasta> macoute, ^^^^^^^^^[14:35:21] <robtone_> unbuffer bzgrep -c -i "helo=<\(wireless\|router\)" /var/log/mail/maillog* | perl -we 'while(<>){ print; s/.*://; $out+=$_;} print $out."\n"'[14:35:24] <macoute> shasta: yeah, so postfix's settings, but nothing else to dns-records?[14:35:25] <robtone_> 381[14:36:02] * robtone_ uses zsh, in bash one probaby doesn't need to escape (|)[14:39:26] *** elshaa has joined #postfix[14:39:28] <elshaa> hi[14:40:08] <elshaa> Is it a way to have wildcard aliases. I would like to have all emails to "*list at domain dot com" to be redirected to an other address...[14:41:18] <macoute> doesnt postfix support wildcard aliases out-of-the-box?[14:41:23] *** magyar has quit IRC[14:41:33] <hparker> Oh, you want *spam*list at domain dot com redirected....[14:42:13] <elshaa> hparker: yes.[14:42:25] <hparker> ewww[14:42:52] <hparker> And the othre server is going to accept everything, not bounce anything?[14:43:32] *** magyar has joined #postfix[14:43:34] <hparker> You want either virtual_alias_maps or alias_maps iirc[14:45:23] <f3ew> preferably a regexp or pcre[14:46:00] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[14:49:48] *** harobed has joined #postfix[14:54:10] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[15:08:25] *** idle-boy` has joined #postfix[15:12:32] *** aba- has quit IRC[15:21:36] *** af_ has joined #postfix[15:25:13] *** chrisq has quit IRC[15:28:07] *** idle-boy`` has quit IRC[15:30:35] *** kiliko has joined #postfix[15:33:18] *** countd has joined #postfix[15:33:56] <countd> can anyone tell me where i can get some generic information on rbls - in particular how to mimic an rbl conversation with a server[15:34:25] <countd> i have a postfix server incorrectly telling me that certain ip's are blacklisted[15:34:31] <countd> and i want to see if i can work out why[15:34:31] <lunaphyte_> rbls generally use dns.[15:34:40] *** ploploop has joined #postfix[15:35:29] <countd> yes, ok.. so you are saying that i would need to sniff dns traffic to see what the actual responses are?[15:35:48] <countd> i haven't been able to find a really good source of information on this[15:36:08] <lunaphyte_> i think that would be a bit overkill. i would just use dig, and emulate the conversation, as you suggested.[15:36:23] *** hever has quit IRC[15:36:34] <Dewi> if I'm using TLS, is there any need for special auth methods like SASL?[15:36:34] <countd> ok - i'll have a futher look into it - thanking you[15:37:09] <lunaphyte_> Dewi: are you using tls for auth, or for encryption?[15:37:18] <lunaphyte_> countd: np.[15:37:49] <Dewi> lunaphyte_: I thought TLS was the one where you run on a higher port number and it encrypts the conversation end to end?[15:38:04] <lunaphyte_> that's one approach, yes.[15:38:36] <lunaphyte_> folks often use both sasl and tls together. they serve different purposes.[15:38:51] <Dewi> yeah, that's why I'm asking[15:39:13] <Dewi> complex auth mechanisms don't seem that important if everything is encrypted[15:40:23] <lunaphyte_> you're referring to sasl as a "special auth method"... what do you consider a "non-special" auth method?[15:40:57] <Dewi> isn't there any?[15:41:38] *** sypher has joined #postfix[15:41:55] <Dewi> I just want a fairly secure, encrypted method to connect to my smtpd from a remote location and authenticate myself with my usual username and password[15:42:03] <Dewi> and I can't remember which acronyms I need for that[15:42:27] <lunaphyte_> if you want to do authentication in postfix, there is one choice. sasl.[15:42:41] <hparker> smoke signals[15:42:47] <tuxick> webmail :)[15:43:04] <lunaphyte_> within sasl, there are multiple mechanisms that can be used to achieve this. my guess is that you are not referring to sasl, but to the various sasl mechs.[15:43:16] <lunaphyte_> e.g. plaintext, cram, md5, etc.[15:43:38] <lunaphyte_> if you are encrypting the conversation, then yes, it's probably not necessary to use anything beyond plaintext.[15:44:19] <Dewi> lunaphyte_: no, I just... sort of forget password auth of any kind had an acronym associated with it[15:44:51] <Dewi> lunaphyte_: but now I think about it, passwords never were that common with smtp, so it's not really a core feature[15:44:56] <Dewi> lunaphyte_: thanks for clearing it up[15:45:11] <lunaphyte_> sure, you're welcome.[15:45:48] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[15:46:02] <lunaphyte_> btw - postfix can use not only cyrus sasl, but also dovecot sasl. i'd suggest the latter.[15:46:12] <lunaphyte_> unless you're a cutter.[15:46:23] <Dewi> I'll be using dovecot for imap[15:46:27] <Dewi> thanks for reminding me[15:46:42] <Dewi> (I've done all this, but only once and over a year ago)[15:47:03] <lunaphyte_> that's what she said.[15:47:18] <Dewi> :)[15:49:13] *** af__ has joined #postfix[15:52:27] *** ploploop has quit IRC[15:53:41] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[15:58:03] *** sypher has quit IRC[15:59:26] *** af_ has quit IRC[16:03:22] *** will_ has joined #postfix[16:04:18] *** netcrash has joined #postfix[16:04:22] *** genioreal has joined #postfix[16:04:59] <genioreal> hi, im having a problem on getting some mail from a domain.. they send me a email with a .jar attached and i did not get on the log i see this[16:05:18] *** af__ has quit IRC[16:06:09] <genioreal> Jul 1 09:40:37 tux postfix/smtp[15370]: 4078E9DC4F8: to=<user1 at domain dot cl>, relay=antivirus.domain.cl[200.11.67.xx], delay=0, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 869D6304011)[16:06:09] <genioreal> Jul 1 09:40:37 tux postfix/qmgr[4840]: 4078E9DC4F8: removed[16:06:22] <genioreal> why does it says removed and who removed?[16:06:56] <shasta> your postfix postfix sent it to 200.11.67.xx and then removed it from its queue[16:07:15] <genioreal> it dosent means that the email was removed?[16:07:21] <genioreal> then where is the mail?[16:07:42] <shasta> like I said, it has been sent to antivirus.domain.cl[16:07:58] <genioreal> but they send the mail not us[16:08:37] <shasta> *shrug*[16:08:41] <shasta> that's what the logs say[16:12:21] *** generic has quit IRC[16:14:21] <genioreal> shasta: and what does this means[16:14:41] <genioreal> Jul 1 09:43:08 tux sqlgrey: grey: domain awl match: updating 200.11.67(200.11.67.xx), domain.cl[16:15:20] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[16:16:01] *** chrisq has joined #postfix[16:17:47] *** eichenwald has joined #postfix[16:25:14] *** Zblakany_ has joined #postfix[16:25:33] <genioreal> can someone help me to understand this please http://pastebin.com/d2aaad750[16:33:38] <genioreal> anyone?[16:35:47] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix[16:40:19] <genioreal> anyone?[16:41:46] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[16:45:42] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[16:46:12] <Roobarb> genioreal: what about it?[16:46:32] <genioreal> Roobarb: people on domain.cl send us a mail and we dont get that mail[16:46:37] <genioreal> i dont understand the log so well[16:46:59] <genioreal> so i want to know if the log might tell why we r not getting the email with attachement[16:47:21] <Roobarb> delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail[16:47:25] <shasta> nothing wrong there, genioreal[16:47:31] <shasta> to=<cs at tux dot net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail)[16:47:39] <Roobarb> you need to look at procmails logs to work out where it goes[16:48:49] *** sophokles1 has quit IRC[16:49:10] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[16:49:18] <rob0> The logs that are from Postfix are shown as "postfix/XX" where XX is the particular daemon or process name. See its man page for information.[16:50:04] <rob0> sqlgrey is a separate project[16:50:37] <genioreal> shasta: but the cs at tux dot net is not getting the email from domail.cl when its attached to a .jar[16:50:47] <rob0> So is procmail; don't use procmail unless you know why you're using it.[16:50:57] <rob0> 14:47 < Roobarb> you need to look at procmails logs to work out where it goes[16:53:19] *** af_ has joined #postfix[16:56:50] *** will_ has quit IRC[17:04:26] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[17:11:36] *** LeBowlingAlley has joined #postfix[17:13:33] <LeBowlingAlley> Hi, I'm new to Postfix. It's used on one of my Linux servers as a replacement for sendmail, and I'm having trouble getting postfix configured correctly to allow for outgoing emails. the current response I get is "sender address rejected: access denied" even though the sender address is a valid address within the domain. any ideas?[17:14:25] <rob0> !basic[17:14:26] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[17:14:44] <LeBowlingAlley> yeah, i've been though that.[17:14:52] <rob0> don't change settings you don't understand ... in this case I bet it was smtpd_sender_restrictions[17:15:21] *** Nockian has joined #postfix[17:16:07] <LeBowlingAlley> the only things i've changed are myhostname and relayhost[17:16:27] <rob0> pastebin your "postconf -n"[17:17:31] <LeBowlingAlley> http://pastebin.com/m464fb1a8[17:17:50] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[17:18:53] *** _zsh has joined #postfix[17:20:33] *** m_p has quit IRC[17:21:04] <rob0> Nothing in there would have caused that rejection. Maybe you did something in master.cf with -o options? What DID you do?[17:22:07] <lunaphyte_> it was like that when i got here.[17:23:54] <LeBowlingAlley> this is a trixbox server (asterisk-based) and it has a web-based page to set up the smtp server settings for outbound mail. There, I put in my FQDN, smtp server, auth name, and password.[17:25:16] <LeBowlingAlley> one thing i think might be an issue is that the local FQDN, the domain for the email account, and the domain for the smtp server are all different[17:27:29] <rob0> I think nothing in the postconf caused the rejection. I think maybe the entire log line showing the rejection might be useful. I also think maybe there are some -o options in master.cf.[17:28:30] <rob0> If trixbox is distributing a Postfix with unusual features enabled, they ought to document the changes they made.[17:28:56] *** phnord has quit IRC[17:28:58] <LeBowlingAlley> the only -o option in master.cf that is not commented out is "-o fallback_relay ="[17:32:16] *** eichenwald has left #postfix[17:32:24] <shasta> LeBowlingAlley, are you sure you're getting "sender address rejected: access denied" from _your_ postfix, or from the smtp.emailsrvr.com?[17:32:40] <rob0> so then, it must have been the relayhost rejecting you, yeah, that's my guess too :)[17:33:02] <rob0> but no more guesses without the entire log line[17:33:38] <LeBowlingAlley> if you want to see the entire log line, do you want to see /var/log/maillog or the return email sent to root?[17:33:55] <shasta> log, not email[17:34:55] <LeBowlingAlley> is that what you want? http://pastebin.com/m6267f9d2[17:35:53] <shasta> no "sender address rejected" there[17:36:26] <LeBowlingAlley> it's in the return email i get on the server[17:37:05] *** deb_user has joined #postfix[17:37:09] <deb_user> hi folks[17:37:28] <deb_user> does anybody here use or provide a professional relay service for a mail server?[17:37:47] <deb_user> i'm finding that my email on my outgoing gets flagged as false positive spam sometimes[17:38:05] <deb_user> thinking that maybe the cleanest solution is to just pay some money and use a relay to take care of this problem[17:38:10] <deb_user> anybody have any suggestions?[17:38:19] <rob0> I would recommend that you look into getting your own VPS, like linode or the like.[17:38:41] <deb_user> rob0: not sure what that is...but in this case, a little bit of money will save me a lot of time, if you know what I mean[17:38:44] <f3ew> There are such services available, search for smarthost[17:40:08] <thumbs> .[17:41:17] <deb_user> rob0, what is a VPS?[17:41:22] *** Mathiux has joined #postfix[17:41:48] <deb_user> virtual private server[17:42:08] <deb_user> but why use that instead of f3ew's smarthost suggestion? the smarthost suggestion seems solid[17:42:15] <Mathiux> Hi, someone speak spanish?[17:42:32] <deb_user> mathiux: si, yo hablo espanol[17:42:40] <Mathiux> Buenas deb_user[17:42:52] <Mathiux> Tengo un problema con mi postfix[17:43:11] <Mathiux> En realidad no se si es del postfix precisamente[17:43:38] <deb_user> bueno...soy usuario pero no diria experto[17:43:43] <deb_user> dime su pregunta[17:43:53] <Mathiux> Puedo recibir y enviar cuentas @mihost.com, puedo enviar correo saliente a gmail, hotmail etc, pero no recibo el correo de estos servidores.[17:44:00] <deb_user> f3ew: have you ever used a smarthost service?[17:44:10] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC[17:44:12] <rob0> !fcrdns[17:44:12] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .[17:44:24] <rob0> !relayhost[17:44:25] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.[17:44:55] <deb_user> configuraste MX en DNS?[17:45:18][17:45:37] <Mathiux> mail.host.com.ar ? host[17:45:48] <deb_user> bueno...mathiux: no se que tipo de servidor de DNS estas usando[17:45:56] <deb_user> pero tus records de MX tienen que estar publicos[17:46:01] <rob0> mihost.com. 14400 IN MX 0 mihost.com.[17:46:06] <deb_user> y...tu firewall tiene que permitr que entren[17:46:08] <rob0> mihost.com. 14400 IN A 72.29.83.156[17:46:27] <deb_user> rob0: i have reverse DNS configured[17:46:42][17:46:45] <deb_user> rob0: i can't figure out why our email gets false positive[17:46:48] <Mathiux> Que esten publicos[17:47:19] <deb_user> http://www.dnsstuff.com/[17:48:01] <Mathiux> A ver[17:49:05] *** munga has joined #postfix[17:50:46] <munga> hi all, I'm configuring postifx to work with sympa . The only configuration that seems to work has "local_recipient_maps" without arguments. This is BAD ![17:51:27] <munga> Is there a way to give a list of domains for which I allow a specific trasport map to be used ?[17:51:37] <Mathiux> deb_user ya tengo configurado el MX en zoneedit[17:51:41] <Mathiux> No entiendo quepuede estar mal[17:52:02][17:52:34] <munga> at the moment I've :[17:52:40] <munga> relay_domains = $mydestination[17:52:41] <munga> transport_maps = regexp:/etc/postfix/transport_regexp[17:52:47] <munga> local_recipient_maps =[17:53:36] <munga> but this leaves my server wide open for spammers, isn't it ?[17:57:30] *** tm-30740-exa has quit IRC[17:58:30] *** Southron has quit IRC[18:03:30] *** the-herby has joined #postfix[18:04:35] *** xdie has joined #postfix[18:04:45] <xdie> hello[18:04:56] <xdie> any can helpme, with while sending end of data -- message may be sent more than once)[18:05:07] <xdie> the socket lmtp die[18:05:22] <sysmonk> i _might_ be searching for a really new job[18:05:30] <sysmonk> full time one[18:05:36] <xdie> hi sysmonk[18:05:46] *** tm-30740-exa has joined #postfix[18:05:50] <sysmonk> anyone would offer me one?[18:06:00] <xdie> sysmonk, you can fix this problem?[18:06:09] <xdie> welcome to new work[18:06:15] <xdie> :P[18:06:26] <sysmonk> xdie: what's the lmtp ? cyrus? dovecot?[18:06:31] <xdie> cyrus[18:07:10] *** the-herby has quit IRC[18:07:24] <xdie> when i try send mail to one account with sieve redirect to 300 mails[18:07:50] <xdie> but has die[18:10:36] <LeBowlingAlley> so, for "myhostname', should I be using the local FQDN, or should I be using the domain of my email?[18:13:33] *** the_herby has joined #postfix[18:17:45] <sysmonk> xdie: does it work if it has 10 redirects?[18:17:55] <xdie> 300[18:18:12] <xdie> lmtp_destination_recipient_limit = 300[18:18:58] <xdie> i will try with this conf[18:19:03] *** cpm has quit IRC[18:20:00] *** cpm has joined #postfix[18:21:48] *** Mathiux has quit IRC[18:21:58] *** deb_user has quit IRC[18:23:24] <sysmonk> xdie: you didn't get it, does it work if you send to 10 recipient[18:23:35] <sysmonk> or does it only happen on lots of recipients?[18:24:42] <Dewi> what is the advantage of using procmail?[18:24:56] <Dewi> debian's postfix configuration does so by default...[18:27:27] <padde> Dewi: well, it's more flexible, i guess[18:27:39] <xdie> sysmonk, with 10 work perfectly[18:27:42] <Dewi> padde: for... filtering at the last minute?[18:27:59] *** githogori has quit IRC[18:28:02] <sysmonk> xdie: try increasing lmtp_timeout[18:28:18] <padde> Dewi: for... filtering arriving mail... putting it into the right folders, tagging it, piping it through spam checkers, ...[18:28:22] <xdie> ok tnx i will try[18:28:33] *** harobed has quit IRC[18:28:51] <Dewi> padde: I noticed it broke Maildir delivery. But presumably if I'm using procmail I'd configure procmail for maildir, not postfix...[18:31:27] *** countd has left #postfix[18:34:05] *** shad0w1e has joined #postfix[18:34:56] <shad0w1e> hey guys, my hostname is actually whatever.something.com. I'd like mails to appear as though they were sent from user at something dot com, rather than user at whatever dot something.com. But when I change my hostname to something.com in main.cf, mails no longer send. How can I accomplish this task? thanks[18:36:16] <sysmonk> shad0w1e: set myorigin[18:36:23] <sysmonk> i.e. myorigin = $mydomain[18:36:28] <shad0w1e> ah thanks[18:36:29] <sysmonk> default is myorigin = $myhostname[18:36:33] <shad0w1e> gotcha[18:36:35] <shad0w1e> nice[18:36:35] <shad0w1e> :)[18:37:02] <sysmonk> or, use set your clients to use normal from header :P[18:37:10] <sysmonk> /use//[18:37:42] *** suuuper has joined #postfix[18:39:12] <Dewi> it seems that postfix can call spamassassin and clamav for filtering directly. What is the advantage of adding amavisd-new into the mix (as most people seem to do) ?[18:39:19] <shad0w1e> when I change my origin, it no longer sends mail either[18:41:30] <sysmonk> shad0w1e: define "no longer sends mail"[18:41:42] <shad0w1e> well the logs claim it is sent[18:42:02] <shad0w1e> oh actually never mind[18:42:06] <sysmonk> Dewi: amavisd has whitelisting/scoring, amavisd can call any antivirus ( which is supported, and a lot are supported )[18:42:08] <shad0w1e> thats what did happen when i spoofed my hostname[18:42:12] *** j_s has joined #postfix[18:42:26] <shad0w1e> now that Im using myorigin, I get this: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command))[18:42:28] <sysmonk> Dewi: amavisd is coded in perl, and loads spamassassin as a module[18:42:42] <sysmonk> so it doesn't have to call spamassassin each time[18:42:51] <sysmonk> it loads it before the message is parsed[18:43:31] <sysmonk> (i.e. loads it up, and uses it for 1000 emails, then the child exists and a new one is created, so it decreases the process count called and memory/cpu resources used)[18:43:35] <shad0w1e> ahhh and that is because it is ignoring who i say to send it to and tries to send it to the account it is coming from[18:43:40] <sysmonk> and other stuff, ask on #amavis[18:43:56] <shad0w1e> such is what happens when i set myorigin[18:43:56] <rob0> !unknown_local[18:43:57] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).[18:44:22] <Dewi> sysmonk: aah. thanks.[18:44:53] <shad0w1e> user unknown in RELAY recipient table..[18:45:08] <rob0> Amavisd-new invokes SA as perl modules, so you only have one running perl process.[18:45:19] <sysmonk> rob0: yeah[18:45:24] *** sophokles has quit IRC[18:45:27] <sysmonk> that's what i wanted to say :P[18:45:35] <sysmonk> no need to fork sa at each message[18:45:57] <shad0w1e> why is is trying to send mail to myself now instead of the address i provide on the sendmail command?[18:46:06] <rob0> "Postfix can call SA directly" sounds like an advantage, but it really isn't.[18:46:25] <sysmonk> doesn't sound like advantage to me :P[18:46:40] <sysmonk> that is, the advantage that postfix can do - yes, but doing it - no :)[18:47:04] *** Evill has quit IRC[18:47:10] <rob0> well, it sounds like you're eliminating something extra, but you've got the overhead of starting up perl for every message.[18:47:25] <sysmonk> mhm[18:47:35] <sysmonk> although spamd goes to the rescue[18:47:48] <sysmonk> but... stilll ... it's not as good as amavisd-new[18:48:02] <Dewi> amavisd-new does look like it has a lot of performance tuning[18:50:17] <shad0w1e> sysmonk, any idea why I'm getting this strange behavior now?[18:50:53] <sysmonk> shad0w1e: yes... but i'm not in the mood for answering[18:51:01] <shad0w1e> fair enough[18:51:09] <sysmonk> i'm reaaaly pissed today, sorry[18:51:55] <shad0w1e> it's cool. im gonna try a workaround[18:53:39] <adaptr> try workaround.org[18:53:43] <adaptr> it's full of them[18:54:36] *** idle-boy has joined #postfix[18:55:18] <jelly> ... why would a mail client author helpfully strip all the headers when exporting a message? /me is completely unable to get "internet headers" from a customer stating we might have a problem[18:55:42] *** albech has quit IRC[18:56:45] <adaptr> outlook doesn't show a goddamn thing[18:56:48] <adaptr> for one[18:57:08] *** tomocha6 has quit IRC[18:57:25] <sysmonk> outlook sucks at all[18:57:32] <sysmonk> it doesn't show any headers for 'internal' mail[18:57:42] <sysmonk> also, it doesn't let you create filtering rules for mail from 'system administrator'[18:58:04] <adaptr> or much of anything sysmonk would like to do[19:00:23] <jelly> or any mail admin trying to debug an issue[19:00:48] <jelly> ... I'll tell them to use something else *shrug*[19:01:11] <adaptr> tell them you've used telnet for 25 years and never had any problems[19:01:17] <adaptr> they tend to run away[19:01:41] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[19:01:43] <shad0w1e> dammit, my workaround didn't work[19:01:52] *** diqpib has quit IRC[19:02:05] <jelly> "Even when you save the message to disk as an .msg file, Outlook only saves a slightly modified version (the Received: header lines are stripped, for example)." WTF![19:02:22] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[19:03:26] <jelly> so there's actually no way to get useful info out of it. It disables looking at message options for DSN, and it strips info when exporting the message[19:03:41] <thumbs> it's a useless client.[19:04:39] *** mark-use has joined #postfix[19:05:02] * hparker just had to update his certs cuz outlook 2003 will not connect if they're expired[19:05:18] <adaptr> that actually makes sense[19:05:44] <hparker> Well, yeah.. but they used to click Just Do It and it worked :P[19:06:33] <thumbs> the problem with outlook is that they did it wrong to begin with, and now they have to be backward-compatible, or keep the old behaviours.[19:06:39] <shad0w1e> is myorigin the same as a reply-to ?[19:06:43] <adaptr> no[19:06:47] <adaptr> not even close[19:06:51] *** af_ has quit IRC[19:06:57] <shad0w1e> wonderful. is there a variable to set a reply to ?[19:06:58] <adaptr> hey, what are you doing here thumbs![19:07:06] <adaptr> shad0w1e: that's not how email works[19:07:12] <thumbs> adaptr: sneaking up on you.[19:07:16] <adaptr> I noticed![19:07:22] <shad0w1e> i want to slightly modify the domain on the reply-to[19:07:36] <adaptr> shad0w1e: reply-to being...what ?[19:07:46] <shad0w1e> it's in the message header[19:07:56] <adaptr> repeat after me: *all non-STMP headers are set by the client*[19:08:11] <shad0w1e> makes sense.[19:09:34] <thumbs> listen to adaptr; he makes sense sometimes.[19:09:47] *** munga has quit IRC[19:10:09] <adaptr> so when I do, people are amazed at my brilliance :)[19:10:16] <adaptr> not being used to it and all[19:10:22] <thumbs> amazed is a big word.[19:10:39] <adaptr> I know![19:10:52] <adaptr> perhaps flabberghasted would be better suited[19:11:02] <adaptr> despite being even bigger[19:11:25] <thumbs> no, I would used 'mildly amused'[19:13:16] * thumbs smashes adaptr multiple times[19:13:26] *** bondoer has quit IRC[19:14:10] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[19:15:44] *** Draecos has quit IRC[19:20:59] *** syneus has quit IRC[19:26:28] *** Mousey has joined #postfix[19:26:38] <Mousey> hi, is this a good place to ask questions about sieve scripts?[19:26:59] <mwalling> what provides sieve?[19:27:01] <Mousey> maybe sieve scripts aren't what i need. maybe a spampd question[19:27:16] <mwalling> what provides spampd?[19:27:36] *** binbrain has joined #postfix[19:27:37] <Mousey> it's a spamassassin proxy daemon[19:27:39] *** tombar has joined #postfix[19:27:57] <shasta> Mousey, that's mwalling's way of saying "no" :)[19:28:00] <Mousey> oh[19:28:10] <Mousey> ok, i rephrase again ^_^[19:28:42] <mwalling> shasta: <3[19:28:44] <Mousey> is postfix who i'd employ to route my incoming mail to a specific folder?[19:28:52] <Mousey> or something else in the mailstream[19:28:52] <mwalling> maybe.[19:28:57] <Rockj> Hum, anyone know how I could get latest sieve version on Debian? I kinda need the redirect :copy option.[19:29:00] <Mousey> well maybe is closer than now[19:29:01] <Mousey> no even[19:29:07] <mwalling> Rockj: 13:26 < mwalling> what provides sieve?[19:29:21] <mwalling> Mousey: it depends on what LDA you are using[19:29:35] <shasta> LDA = local delivery agent[19:29:50] <shasta> procmail is a popular LDA[19:29:51] <Mousey> cyrus[19:30:01] <Mousey> well cyrus is my MDA[19:30:05] <binbrain> I need to do some preprocessing of email before handing it off to postfix. I found some posts concerning customized filter, but I don't need anything that complicated. Just a script that checks the message real quick.[19:30:07] <Mousey> my local MDA, even[19:30:09] <mwalling> Mousey: then its not a postfix question.[19:30:19] <mwalling> shasta: so is local :)[19:30:24] <Mousey> mwalling: awesome. the process of elimination continues ^_^[19:30:48] <binbrain> any advice?[19:30:51] <mwalling> Mousey: correct answers to that question to satisfy the postfix requirement would have been local or virtual[19:30:57] <Rockj> mwalling, tried fetching dovecot* from backports. I guess I need to see if there's users in #dovecot then.[19:31:24] <mwalling> Rockj: Dovecot != Postfix, thusly, #dovecot != #postfix[19:32:04] <Rockj> mhm, I'm on my way :-)[19:32:09] <Mousey> mwalling: i'd imagine postfix wouldn't ever be an LDA. but i am far from expert[19:32:27] <Mousey> ...unless you count mbox[19:32:32] <Mousey> or something[19:32:34] <mwalling> huh?[19:32:36] <Mousey> nothing[19:32:39] <Mousey> i ar ign'ant[19:32:40] <mwalling> k[19:33:07] <mwalling> local(8) and virtual(8) are 2 LDAs that are provided by postfix[19:33:13] <Mousey> ooh[19:33:14] <mwalling> read their manpages for more details[19:33:15] * Mousey rtfs[19:33:18] * Mousey rtfms[19:33:32] <mwalling> * Mousey rtfmps[19:33:37] <binbrain> can I just edit point to a custom executable in the master.cf file. Thereby wrapping, say, pickup. And then drop the message in a directory when done with processing[19:33:57] <mwalling> !content_filter[19:33:58] <knoba> mwalling: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.[19:34:04] <mwalling> binbrain: is that what you want?[19:34:27] <binbrain> i think so :)[19:34:38] <mwalling> !amavisd[19:34:39] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "amavisd" is not a valid command.[19:34:41] <mwalling> hmm[19:35:23] <mwalling> !amavisd-new[19:35:23] <knoba> mwalling: "amavisd-new" : amavisd-new is a high-performance and reliable interface between mailer (MTA) and one or more content checkers. See http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/[19:35:33] <mwalling> binbrain: ^^ a popular content_filter[19:35:41] <Mousey> well it looks like local decides to WHOM mail is going, not what folder to put it in, so i guess postfix really -isn't- my employee for filtering[19:36:12] <shasta> mwalling, he said "Just a script that checks the message real quick.", "real quick" being the keyword probably ;)[19:36:13] *** cilly has joined #postfix[19:36:16] <mwalling> Mousey: did you read the section on .forward files?[19:36:21] <binbrain> mwalling: I don't want to do "content" filtering. I want to do preprocessing checks to "verify" stuff. It seems, in my head, that I could just edit the master.cf, something like, pickup-custom, and when my custom pickup is done, it could call the real pickup[19:36:23] <mwalling> shasta: example code ;)[19:36:35] <binbrain> so mwalling: your saying to use amavisd instead?[19:36:38] <mwalling> no[19:36:41] <mwalling> binbrain: 13:36 < mwalling> shasta: example code ;)[19:36:56] * mwalling shuts up[19:37:17] <Mousey> yea, but it looks like .forward is for identites, again, not subfolders[19:37:33] <Mousey> but that's an acceptable answer for me[19:37:42] * Mousey isn't all about dead horse discipline[19:37:46] <Mousey> thanks =)[19:37:48] <mwalling> mwalling@you ~$ cat .forward-spam[19:37:49] <mwalling> ~/.Mail/Spam/[19:38:10] <Mousey> yah, except mail isn't stored in ~/.Mail[19:38:21] <Mousey> which is why i believe i should look at another mechanism[19:38:24] <mwalling> !recipient_delimiter[19:38:24] <knoba> mwalling: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[19:38:49] <mwalling> Mousey: thats what i use, then i have .forwards for each extension[19:39:37] <Mousey> thanks[19:39:50] *** _zsh_ has joined #postfix[19:39:55] * mwalling forgot what your original objective was[19:39:57] <mwalling> ;)[19:41:26] *** _zsh has quit IRC[19:41:26] *** chrisq has quit IRC[19:41:26] *** unixtippse_ has quit IRC[19:41:26] *** bast1aan_ has quit IRC[19:41:26] *** woody4u has quit IRC[19:41:44] *** _zsh_ is now known as _zsh[19:43:14] *** _zsh has quit IRC[19:44:04] *** havvg has joined #postfix[19:44:13] *** unixtippse has joined #postfix[19:44:13] *** unixtippse_ has joined #postfix[19:44:13] *** bast1aan_ has joined #postfix[19:44:13] *** woody4u has joined #postfix[19:44:25] *** woody4u has quit IRC[19:44:25] *** woody4u_ has joined #postfix[19:44:25] *** bast1aan has joined #postfix[19:44:34] *** chrisq has joined #postfix[19:45:26] *** bast1aan_ has quit IRC[19:45:39] *** cilly has quit IRC[19:46:12] *** cilly has joined #postfix[19:51:26] <binbrain> shasta: any suggestions for making the real quick a reality. All I need to do is a user lookup through a homegrown API[19:55:05] <shasta> user lookup?[19:55:08] *** unixtippse_ has quit IRC[19:55:16] <binbrain> just to make sure the user exists[19:56:55] <shasta> uhm[19:57:10] <shasta> by default postfix doesn't accept emails for nonexisting users[19:57:25] <shasta> i don't see why you want to check that "externally"[19:58:38] <sysmonk> shasta: when the lda is not postfix and stores on a remote server[19:58:43] <sysmonk> as in - virtual users[19:59:31] <binbrain> external application that contains a list of valid users. these users have no user accounts in any "normal" system like ldap, etc...[20:00:27] <sysmonk> binbrain: can you code a tcp server which will return the correct values?[20:00:41] <sysmonk> tcp server - daemon listening on tcp[20:01:12] *** githogori has joined #postfix[20:01:19] <shasta> or ldap, or sql, or a flat-file database[20:01:35] <binbrain> sysmonk: that would be no problem[20:01:44] <shasta> check_(sender|recipient)_access is the way to go[20:01:49] <sysmonk> binbrain: btw, as i understand you do NOT want to use ldap/sql,flat-files ?[20:01:56] <shasta> you can't trust header from/to anyway :)[20:02:11] <binbrain> sysmonk: impossible to use those systems[20:02:18] *** Dantix has joined #postfix[20:02:20] <sysmonk> binbrain: then read tcp_table(8)[20:02:26] *** breeze has quit IRC[20:02:27] <sysmonk> doh, tcp_table(5)[20:02:34] <binbrain> thanks[20:03:00] <binbrain> YESSSS, thanks sysmonk, that looks like the way to go[20:04:08] <Dantix> hi all, my postfix refuse to drive attachments with size over 8Mb and answers with: queue file size limit exceeded. The parameters are: message_size_limit = 11264000 and mailbox_size_limit = 0. What could be wrong?[20:04:55] <sysmonk> Dantix: 8 mb != 8 mb[20:05:06] <sysmonk> Dantix: 8mb encoded in base64 is really 8 mb * 1.5[20:05:06] <shasta> base64[20:06:16] <Dantix> sysmonk: as you say I'll need to try with message_size_limit = 15000000?[20:07:10] <sysmonk> i say that 8 mb attachment encoded in base64 is about 1.5 times bigger than it really is, and if you ahve a limit on 10 mb - 8 mb attachment won't pass it[20:07:25] *** deb_user has joined #postfix[20:07:53] <deb_user> anybody have any tips on setting up SMTP auth with pf on debian etch?[20:08:15] <shasta> pf on linux? i thought that was pure *bsd thing?[20:08:17] <Dantix> sysmonk: right, thanks a lot[20:08:48] <deb_user> i want to set it up to authenticate with a relay serve[20:08:49] <deb_user> server[20:08:55] *** padde has quit IRC[20:09:55] *** padde has joined #postfix[20:12:27] *** Bagualas has joined #postfix[20:13:21] *** cilly has quit IRC[20:19:11] *** Dantix has left #postfix[20:21:59] *** binbrain has quit IRC[20:22:14] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[20:22:55] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[20:23:51] *** cilly has joined #postfix[20:28:38] *** diqpib has quit IRC[20:30:48] *** shad0w1e has quit IRC[20:35:01] *** deathwing00 has joined #postfix[20:35:15] <deb_user> would somebody be willing to receive a test email and maybe give me some clues as to why my emails get flagged as spam sometimes?[20:36:04] <deathwing00> hello, is there an easy way to have postfix add an X-header to e-mails expliciting the e-mail recipient (I need an X-header that tells me to which account the e-mail goes, as I use aliases and people need to filter by that)[20:36:27] *** Juspion has joined #postfix[20:38:17] <shasta> Delivered-To: and X-Original-To: are not enough?[20:38:19] *** smesjz has joined #postfix[20:38:34] <deathwing00> shasta: how to get those?[20:38:55] <deb_user> anybody use domain keys?[20:38:59] <deb_user> does it help?[20:39:33] <deathwing00> shasta: I do not see those fields in the source, do they have to be enabled somehow?[20:40:24] *** bahadunn has joined #postfix[20:40:26] <shasta> I get those by using virtual delivery[20:40:33] <shasta> see man 8 virtual[20:40:35] <bahadunn> is there a way to make postfix recieve mail but not send mail?[20:41:10] <deathwing00> shasta: ty[20:41:28] <cpm> huh?[20:41:43] <cpm> what do you mean 'not send mail' ?[20:41:56] <bahadunn> like recieve only[20:42:28] <bahadunn> not sending out mail only to receive mail[20:42:39] <shasta> any reason for that?[20:42:44] <cpm> postfix is an MTA, a mail transport agent, it takes mail, and passes it along, that's what it does, sending/receiving are perspectives only.[20:42:59] <bahadunn> I know this[20:43:00] <cpm> as far as postfix is concerning[20:43:10] <bahadunn> and I know this is a sort of dumb request[20:43:17] <cpm> no, I'm just not hearing you right[20:43:17] <bahadunn> I probably should not even have bothered to ask[20:43:19] <shasta> or you just fucked up your postfix configuration so it accepts mails to nonexistent accounts and then sends backscatter? :)[20:43:28] <cpm> heh, be nice![20:43:31] <bahadunn> but this customer wants the server to receive mail only[20:43:38] <cpm> and do what with them?[20:43:39] <bahadunn> they dont want the server to send mail out to the internet[20:43:50] <bahadunn> well they have mail coming in that they read[20:43:53] <cpm> leave them in the queue?[20:43:58] <bahadunn> but they have no need for mail to go out[20:44:12] <bahadunn> I guess[20:44:17] <cpm> ah, so he doesn't want anyone to be able to use it to send mail. That's not hard.[20:44:19] *** denis has joined #postfix[20:44:20] <bahadunn> I was just going to tell them its not a good idea[20:44:25] <bahadunn> but I figured I would check here first[20:44:32] <bahadunn> yeah[20:44:38] <bahadunn> they dont want mail going out of the server[20:44:41] <bahadunn> just in[20:45:06] <cpm> dont' allow anything, done.[20:45:23] <bahadunn> any documentation on how to do that?[20:45:44] <shasta> iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -m state --state NEW -j REJECT ;-)[20:45:55] <cpm> naw, just don't allow anything.[20:46:09] <cpm> probably do it by default.[20:46:16] <bahadunn> cpm: you mean like in mynetworks?[20:46:31] <cpm> yeah, don't[20:47:16] <bahadunn> I dont follow what you mean by not allowing anything[20:47:22] <cpm> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = <rejections only, no allows>[20:47:23] <cpm> done[20:47:37] <cpm> no permits[20:47:46] <bahadunn> okay[20:49:06] <cpm> i mean, you'll need to permit the stuff you'll need for mail filters and the like, but yeah. it's kinda weird, but no auth, and no 'mynetworks' and such, then folks won't be able to use it to send mail, but postfix can do what it needs[20:49:37] <cpm> however, , , ,[20:49:55] <cpm> yeah, well, yeah, , hrmm,. yeah, , ,errr, , ,[20:53:02] <bahadunn> I think its a dumb thing to do but anyways[21:01:49] *** LeBowlingAlley has left #postfix[21:02:36] <deb_user> would somebody be willing to receive a test email and maybe give me some clues as to why my emails get flagged as spam sometimes?[21:03:08] <rob0> /whois rob0[21:05:26] <magyar> /whois rob0?[21:05:33] <magyar> there fixed it for you[21:06:19] <rob0> huh?[21:12:06] <cpm> cpm at daviswv dot net[21:12:36] *** tomocha6 has joined #postfix[21:12:56] <cpm> deb_user, ^^^[21:13:21] <deb_user> cpm: thanks[21:14:47] <deb_user> cpm: sent[21:15:26] <deb_user> cpm: btw, i have checked the rbl's and have not come up with anything[21:15:47] <cpm> looks fine to me[21:15:57] <cpm> what problem are you having w/others?[21:15:58] <rob0> I didn't get one.[21:15:59] *** genioreal has quit IRC[21:16:04] <magyar> using a spam filter on your side?[21:16:07] *** thojo has quit IRC[21:16:26] <deb_user> cpm: i can't find anything consistent[21:16:38] <deb_user> sometimes emails get flagged as spam, sometimes they don't[21:16:54] <deb_user> for hotmail i use SPF[21:17:02] <deb_user> i don't use the yahoo domain keys...perhaps I should[21:17:34] <cpm> no telling. all looks good here,[21:17:52] <cpm> send one to rob0 though, he's not as forgiving as I[21:17:56] <deb_user> ok[21:18:02] <deb_user> rob0: care to send an address?[21:18:19] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[21:18:21] <deb_user> rob0 at tuxaloosa dot org ?[21:19:20] <rob0> that should work[21:20:00] <deb_user> ok[21:20:01] <deb_user> one sec[21:20:13] <cpm> no, do it now![21:20:40] <tombar> would someone check my pastebin and help/guide me.. http://pastebin.ca/1059858 i update a debian box and now postfix cant open mysql sock[21:20:42] <rob0> too late, I blacklisted him[21:20:50] <tombar> please...[21:20:55] <deb_user> rob0: sent[21:21:36] <deb_user> tombar: have you looked at your mysql logs too?[21:21:41] <cpm> is the mysql socket even there?[21:21:50] <cpm> have you checked your mysql logs?[21:21:52] <tombar> i pasted all the info on http://pastebin.ca/1059858[21:22:01] <cpm> have you done your homework, did you clean your plate?[21:22:17] <tombar> cpm, what do you mean by clear my plate?[21:22:26] <deb_user> tombar: he's joking[21:22:32] <cpm> don't stare! sit up straight, eat your peas![21:22:49] *** quieteyes has joined #postfix[21:23:05] <tombar> i dont have mysql logs. im going to try and enable them..[21:23:07] <rob0> Nope, I don't see anything wrong. Looks like dns is all in order, altho I don't remember how to read SPF.[21:23:34] <cpm> tombar, handy thing, logs. did you check to make sure the socket is up?[21:23:35] <deb_user> rob0: there is an online tool to test it[21:23:36] <cpm> and open?[21:23:57] <deb_user> rob0: has spam become an arbitrary game these days?[21:24:01] <rob0> the SPF site is the only thing I know of[21:24:01] <tombar> yes, as root y can open mysql socket by mysql -u mailer -p --socket=/var/run..[21:24:22] <rob0> There are unfortunately a lot of clueless antispam measures in use.[21:25:08] <cpm> yes, spam is an arbitrary game, but rob0 is going to fix it.[21:25:32] <rob0> fussp[21:25:35] <rob0> !fussp[21:25:35] <knoba> rob0: Error: "fussp" is not a valid command.[21:26:22] <deb_user> is SPF just an MS initiative disgused as a universal standard?[21:26:54] <rob0> MS had nothing to do with SPF, I think it was Meng Wong's idea.[21:27:20] <deb_user> but who even uses it besides hotmail?[21:27:42] <rob0> More clueful sites have shunned SPF.[21:27:47] *** bahadunn has left #postfix[21:28:06] <rob0> except the spammers of course[21:28:13] *** jY has joined #postfix[21:28:24] <rob0> All the spam domains have perfect SPF.[21:30:50] <deb_user> is it true that having a residential IP block will increase false positives?[21:31:50] <magyar> residential ip block[21:31:54] <magyar> hmm thats new[21:32:25] * magyar heard country ip block[21:33:30] <deb_user> i guess i'm wondering if relaying through a professional service will help to mitigate my problem[21:34:42] <rob0> Most residential / end user IP space is blacklisted. Almost all you will see from there is zombie spew.[21:35:47] <magyar> blacklisted by whom?[21:36:03] <deb_user> rob0: will switching to a professional relay service help mitigate this problem for me?[21:37:06] <rob0> I was referring to Spamhaus PBL (part of zen.)[21:37:29] <jY> I need to re-write all outbound email to go to 1 mailbox.. is there a way to do this?[21:37:37] * magyar heard of dynamic blacklisting, but this was the first time i heard residential blacklisting[21:38:15] <magyar> snooping, thats fun[21:38:38] <jY> its for development[21:38:46] <magyar> k[21:38:54] <jY> i don't want to send emails out to normal users from my dev environment[21:38:56] <magyar> you looking for catchall?[21:39:16] <magyar> i see[21:39:22] <jY> no.. looking to rewrite outbound email to all go to one email box[21:40:03] <magyar> hmmm[21:40:32] <magyar> not sure on "rewrite" part[21:40:57] <jY> like if i am sending to joe at domain dot com i want to change to the to: to my email like mike at otherdomain dot com[21:41:05] <deb_user> if I switch to a mail relay, will I have to change my reverse DNS?[21:42:07] <magyar> what about peter at domain dot com?[21:42:20] <jY> i also want it to go to mike at otherdomain dot com[21:43:17] *** Juspion has quit IRC[21:43:36] <magyar> k, so let me get this straight, you want to "redirect" all mail to mike at otherdomain dot com ?[21:43:41] <jY> yes[21:43:54] <magyar> pheew[21:44:33] *** Slurpee- has quit IRC[21:45:35] *** smesjz has quit IRC[21:46:33] <magyar> !alias[21:46:34] <knoba> magyar: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps[21:47:07] <magyar> !transport[21:47:07] <knoba> magyar: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html[21:47:39] <magyar> i think one of them should do the trick[21:48:17] <jY> thanks i'll take a look[21:48:22] <magyar> np[21:49:02] <magyar> how can I block all "residential ip blocks" ?[21:50:03] <magyar> my mta's would thank me for that[21:50:56] <magyar> one mta multiple mtas ?[21:51:22] <tombar> guys, im checking my syslog (were mysql logs erros on debian apparently) and i dont have any input/log from mysql when postfix trys to open mysql socket..[21:51:26] *** Filbert has quit IRC[21:52:19] <magyar> ouch[21:53:36] <magyar> can you connect to mysqld from console?[21:54:00] <magyar> as the supposed user ?[21:55:41] <magyar> which version to which version of debian did you update?[21:56:02] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[21:56:20] *** Aw0L has left #postfix[21:59:56] *** jY has quit IRC[22:00:09] *** cpm has quit IRC[22:01:01] <mwalling> 15:49 < magyar> how can I block all "residential ip blocks" ?[22:01:03] <mwalling> !zen[22:01:04] <knoba> mwalling: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL[22:01:14] <tombar> magyar yes i can[22:01:33] <mwalling> pbl.spamhaus.org is actually what you want, but i dont think its a factoid[22:01:59] <tombar> i only update packages, not even version.. i was delaying the upgrade of libssl because i new i would have big troubles after the update.[22:03:35] *** deb_user has quit IRC[22:08:24] <tombar> what else can i check? im a bit lost... could it be something like a chroot maybe?[22:14:03] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** Dewi has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** blackflag has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** internat85 has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** robtone_ has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** mjoseph has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** pdragon has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** thumbs has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** Spec has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** SeJo has quit IRC[22:15:39] *** Zeit|awy_ has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** Dewi has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** pdragon has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** internat85 has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** robtone_ has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** mjoseph has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** Spec has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** SeJo has joined #postfix[22:15:39] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[22:18:44] *** cilly has quit IRC[22:20:38] *** denis has quit IRC[22:26:59] <adaptr> run the map manually[22:31:06] *** pirho has joined #postfix[22:35:42] *** pulsar has quit IRC[22:36:03] *** pulsar has joined #postfix[22:36:52] *** idle-boy has quit IRC[22:43:41] *** mark-use has quit IRC[22:45:44] *** McJerry has quit IRC[22:49:26] <sysmonk> hah[22:49:38] <sysmonk> i just got a spam message saying <localpart> is a moron[22:49:41] <sysmonk> i.e. sysmonk is a moron[22:50:05] <sysmonk> (it's the subject) and message has 'this is proff: www....' ;))[22:50:13] <sysmonk> i sometimes like spam :)[22:56:28] <jduggan> i never like spam[22:56:43] <rob0> I enjoy a well-crafted 419.[22:56:50] <jduggan> theyre always suggesting my manhood isnt big enough[22:57:22] <sysmonk> jduggan: each spam has a bit of truth...[22:57:34] *** _apk has joined #postfix[22:57:36] <_apk> hi! :)[22:57:51] <_apk> I'm getting this errors in my logs: http://rafb.net/p/BzZ5Ic75.html[22:58:03] *** Aw0L has joined #postfix[22:58:23] <_apk> I've searched on google, but I didn't find wich is the cause...can anyone help me? :)[22:58:31] <rob0> hmm, a botched upgrade?[22:58:50] <rob0> why the nonstandard syslog_name setting?[22:58:57] *** carl- has joined #postfix[22:59:01] <_apk> I've installed postfix in march, on debian etch and since then no updates[22:59:06] <Aw0L> isn't there a line in main.cf that sends mail to non-existing senders to a default address?[22:59:10] <Aw0L> or is it somewhere else?[22:59:25] <shasta> apk, ps axu | grep tlsmgr[22:59:26] <_apk> because I'm running two postfix on the same machine binded on two different ip addresses[22:59:38] <_apk> I asked here and someone suggested me to do it that way[22:59:56] <_apk> (running two instances of postfix with 2 different ip addresses)[22:59:59] <rob0> ah, in that case it makes sense[23:00:19] <_apk> btw I'm getting that error only for one instance[23:00:28] *** xdie has quit IRC[23:00:58] <_apk> I don't really know if it's a problem, and how can I replicate it (maybe after setting -v in master.cf)[23:02:29] <_apk> Aw0L, maybe yes...I'm getting some bounces from a newsletter that i'm sending[23:03:08] <_apk> but it's not a "default address"...it's the "reply-to" address of the mail that i'm sending as a newsletter :)[23:05:44] *** hever has joined #postfix[23:09:08] *** DelPede has joined #postfix[23:14:50] *** cilly has joined #postfix[23:17:23] *** Zyna has joined #postfix[23:19:10] *** Pasteurized has joined #postfix[23:19:16] <Pasteurized> hi all[23:20:07] *** pr0t has joined #postfix[23:20:25] <pr0t> Would my virtual alias table be the same as virtual_alias_maps ?[23:22:09] <pr0t> ?[23:22:28] <rob0> yup[23:22:44] <rob0> !unknown_virtual[23:22:45] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)[23:25:35] *** adaptr_ has joined #postfix[23:25:40] <pr0t> !rtfm[23:25:41] <knoba> pr0t: "rtfm" : Please read the fine manual. People in this channel do not like to explain issues that you easily find in the documentation at http://www.postfix.org[23:25:49] <pr0t> !wtf[23:25:50] <knoba> pr0t: Error: "wtf" is not a valid command.[23:25:52] <pr0t> :)[23:25:56] <pr0t> rob0 thank you sir[23:25:56] *** idle-boy` has quit IRC[23:25:58] *** grulk has joined #postfix[23:25:59] <pr0t> !rob0[23:25:59] <knoba> pr0t: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)[23:26:14] <grulk> hi guys. Is it possible to have more than one always_bcc??[23:26:40] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[23:26:40] *** adaptr has quit IRC[23:26:40] *** _ruben has quit IRC[23:26:40] *** Pasteurized has quit IRC[23:26:40] *** F|oFF has quit IRC[23:26:40] *** _bt has quit IRC[23:26:41] *** echinos has quit IRC[23:26:41] *** shasta has quit IRC[23:26:41] *** Radiance has quit IRC[23:26:44] *** idle-boy` has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** Pasteurized has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** F|oFF has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** Radiance has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** _bt has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** echinos has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** shasta has joined #postfix[23:27:21] *** quieteyes has left #postfix[23:27:48] *** carl- has quit IRC[23:35:56] <pr0t> hey rob0[23:35:58] <pr0t> you there?[23:36:35] <jduggan> are you kidding[23:36:40] <jduggan> rob0 is always here[23:36:42] <jduggan> ;P[23:37:42] <pr0t> im getting the error Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; User unknown in virtual alias table[23:37:46] <pr0t> but the user is in there[23:37:49] <pr0t> i dont understand whats going on[23:38:09] <pr0t> virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf[23:38:17] <pr0t> that would be considered my virtual alias table right?[23:38:19] <pr0t> those two tables?[23:43:18] <pr0t> also my virtual_mailbox_domains and virtual_alias_domains point to the same mysql table and grab the same data buyt i keep getting a warning about it[23:43:23] <pr0t> how can i fix this[23:45:34] <pr0t> jduggan,[23:45:37] <pr0t> thought rob0 is always here[23:45:37] <pr0t> :([23:46:56] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[23:49:05] <jduggan> postmap -q[23:49:48] *** tombar_ has joined #postfix[23:50:09] <pr0t> i did that[23:50:24] <pr0t> postmap -q doesn't fix the problem[23:50:27] <pr0t> it shows me the problem lool[23:51:37] *** hever has quit IRC[23:54:15] <mwalling> jduggan: he knows all about postmap -q[23:54:24] <mwalling> he had a short lesson in that yesterday[23:54:45] <mwalling> pr0t: right?[23:54:48] <jduggan> i was away from my desk all yesterday :)[23:54:59] *** Bagualas has quit IRC[23:59:42] *** j_s has quit IRC