June 26, 2008 
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June 26, 2008 [00:01:13] <tld> dusty: what's the problem? [00:01:36] *** tombar has quit IRC [00:04:48] <Xcaliber009> k, little more help maybe with the virtual domain [00:05:01] <Xcaliber009> this is the error i'm getting when sending an email to the virtual domain [00:05:02] <Xcaliber009> testccmym-request at lists dot ccmym.com [00:05:02] <Xcaliber009> #< #5.4.4 X-Postfix; Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists.ccmym.com type=A: Host not found> #SMTP# [00:05:17] *** Bagualas has quit IRC [00:06:36] <Xcaliber009> I'm thinking that because there is no MX record for lists.ccmym.com that is why it can't send it [00:07:31] *** xous has quit IRC [00:10:06] <shasta> apart from MX record, there's even no A record for lists.ccmym.com, and that error message precisely says that [00:10:18] *** Corty has quit IRC [00:10:39] <Xcaliber009> true [00:10:43] *** xous has joined #postfix [00:10:54] <jeev> i'm back [00:11:00] <Xcaliber009> i never established a subdomain for ccmym.com [00:11:14] <Xcaliber009> i'm just going to resort to keeping the ccmym [00:16:07] *** war9407 has quit IRC [00:18:19] *** ralfWORK has joined #postfix [00:21:20] <ralfWORK> can someone tell me how to make postfix completely drop an email on the floor if it's from a specific address? [00:21:55] <dusty> tld, bottom line in that paste ? [00:22:14] <ralfWORK> I want any emails from foo at bar dot com to be dropped [00:22:29] <ralfWORK> unilaterally [00:23:07] <ralfWORK> I want postfix to say to the remote mail server "yes I got the message" and then have it put it into /dev/null [00:27:05] <jeev> i dont get where to look to see where it's getting auxprop from [00:33:39] <dusty> I have a really odd problem with my mailserver setup, anyone that can help me out, check out: http://rafb.net/p/A2S2zL45.html [00:33:50] <dusty> It's driving me crazy :( [00:40:45] *** _xous has joined #postfix [00:40:51] *** _xous has quit IRC [00:41:05] <jMCg> ralfWORK: you could configure foo at bar dot com to be an account with an mbox in /dev/null [00:41:15] <ralfWORK> jMCg: lol that's a t hought [00:41:31] *** _xous has joined #postfix [00:41:40] <jMCg> And why didn't you instead just try it? [00:41:46] <ralfWORK> except I want to drop whatever's from foo at bar dot com [00:41:59] <ralfWORK> looks like header_checks might work [00:42:00] <jMCg> Ah.. *from*.. damn. [00:42:39] <jMCg> And why not reject it instead? [00:42:44] <ralfWORK> what I had before was really goddamn irritating [00:42:54] <jMCg> [I don't quite understand the reasoning.] [00:42:56] <ralfWORK> oh, because when I reject I get a error message from the other server [00:43:15] <ralfWORK> so now I have some ten thousand email bounces in my mailbox [00:43:23] <dusty> do you guys perhaps have a minute to have a look over my question in the link above ? [00:44:23] <jMCg> ugh... that's like... more than two lines... to read after 0000... [00:44:28] *** xous has quit IRC [00:44:29] <jMCg> dusty: considered the mailing list? [00:44:36] *** _xous is now known as xous [00:46:30] <dusty> postfix one? [00:46:59] <jMCg> Anyways. Mail the list-admin from your hotmail account and tell him about the issue. [00:47:26] <jMCg> [I'm assuming the list admin of securityfocus is male.] [00:47:27] <dusty> It's not an issue with his mailserver though. [00:47:34] <dusty> heh [00:47:44] <dusty> can you guys not provide any help? [00:47:53] <dusty> the strange thing is, I tried subscribing to postfix-users.. [00:48:07] <dusty> I subscribed fine, but my mails to the list bounce and i dont understand why. [00:48:10] <dusty> could be related. [00:48:10] <jMCg> It's an issue with yours. Now the question is, why does HIS mailserver NOT REPLY to YOUR .. heheheh.... or any mailserver for that matter.... [00:48:37] *** suuuper has quit IRC [00:49:04] <dusty> jMCg, http://rafb.net/p/0xT5x418.html [00:49:29] <dusty> Yeah, but the odd thing is everything else works. e.g. i can send/recv mail from normally [00:49:30] *** Draecos has joined #postfix [00:49:37] <dusty> like if you email me, if reply, or vice versa. [00:49:45] <dusty> no issues with that. [00:49:50] <jMCg> Just with mailinglists. [00:49:56] <dusty> it seems that way [00:50:09] * jMCg doesn't do mailinlists and can't tell. [00:50:10] <dusty> check the bounce i get from the postfix-users [00:50:13] <dusty> nor do i [00:50:23] <dusty> its an injteresting one, no ? [00:50:45] *** _xous has joined #postfix [00:50:52] <dusty> its odd, i've tried so much, such as, i have setup an alias and forwarded to another mailserver andit works fine. [00:50:58] <jMCg> Hmm... maybe because of your domain? [00:51:12] <jMCg> FUCKTHEGOV might not be liked. [00:51:13] <dusty> the list mails come through the server and goto googlemail.com and hotmail fine,. [00:51:19] <dusty> jMCg, i also have stoned-hacker.co.uk [00:51:24] <dusty> and both same affects. [00:51:30] <dusty> also they accepted me, but i cant post. [00:51:31] <jMCg> Yeah.. I know ;) [00:51:50] <dusty> and, look in the archives for security focus worse domains are used. [00:51:59] <dusty> possibly with postfix not with sec focus [00:52:13] <dusty> its hard as hell to troubleshoot because i have no error to go on [00:52:13] <jMCg> Yes. Mailinglists target many, many millions of billions of people. If you go around fucking the gov, or hacking stoned some of those people might find that offending. [00:52:22] <dusty> lol [00:52:41] <dusty> thats not a reflection of what I do, don't judge a book by its covers. [00:52:55] <ralfWORK> hahahaha [00:53:05] <jMCg> I don't. [00:53:26] <dusty> I would of been better saying, domain1.org domain2.org, heh. [00:53:38] <dusty> Ignore the domains, its and odd problem I have no idea where to go with next. [00:53:42] <jMCg> But I must admit that some a book I have bought because of the cover. [00:53:53] <jMCg> The cover does make quite a bit of the package. [00:53:59] <dusty> If anyone has had any experience with this, I would appriciate a tip heh. [00:54:08] <jMCg> I *still* suggest you ask the list admins if that's the reason for rejection. [00:54:11] <jMCg> As simple as that. [00:54:30] <dusty> jMCg, Ofcourse, i didn't think to email from other addy, obvious one. [00:54:31] <dusty> heh [00:54:35] <dusty> i'll do that now [00:55:38] <jMCg> And I'll goto bed now. [00:55:44] <jMCg> o/~ [00:57:02] *** syneus has joined #postfix [00:57:06] *** syneus has quit IRC [00:57:31] <rob0> Dusty, maybe it's line 1643 in that paste, "discard_and_not_log_random_mails = yes". [00:58:08] *** madrescher1 has quit IRC [01:03:25] *** xous has quit IRC [01:03:34] *** _xous is now known as xous [01:07:00] <rob0> Indeed, ask them from your hotmail (ugh) account; it might well have been the domain name. [01:10:29] *** Dominian has quit IRC [01:12:02] *** Dominian has joined #postfix [01:20:36] *** Southron has left #Postfix [01:22:17] <dusty> rob0, where is that line? [01:22:26] <dusty> 1643 no such number [01:29:03] <shasta> ;-) [01:45:16] *** jMCg has quit IRC [01:46:07] *** Draecos has quit IRC [01:56:54] *** Fallenou has quit IRC [01:59:20] *** martianixor has joined #postfix [02:02:37] *** pirho has quit IRC [02:07:59] *** sypher has quit IRC [02:09:54] *** pitakill has joined #postfix [02:23:57] *** Estagus_ has joined #postfix [02:26:07] <Estagus_> hi all. I know this is't best place to ask this, but please, help.... I've setup courier+postfix+postgresql. all work fine. pop3, imap and so on... after some time I've done IMAP shared folder.. but how now can I set ACL for it? [02:27:36] *** Baca_PE has joined #postfix [02:28:59] <shasta> this question should be asked on some courier-imap support place (irc channel, mailinglist) [02:29:18] <shasta> more chances to get an answer there [02:39:31] *** EoN has joined #postfix [02:41:53] <EoN> Anyone here understand what DCC_CHECK is about in spam filters? [02:43:40] <shasta> Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse [02:43:57] <shasta> see ie. SpamAssassin's documentation [02:50:41] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix [02:51:52] *** Xcaliber009 has left #postfix [03:01:12] *** githogori has quit IRC [03:01:52] *** gdfuego has left #postfix [03:02:17] *** githogori has joined #postfix [03:07:19] <jeev> Jun 25 18:05:36 earthquake postfix/smtpd[56396]: sql_select option missing [03:07:20] <jeev> Jun 25 18:05:36 earthquake postfix/smtpd[56396]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available [03:07:24] <jeev> where is that coming from?!?!?! [03:07:43] <shasta> rob0 echoes that to your logs [03:08:03] <jeev> hehe [03:08:06] <jeev> saslauthd isn't even running.. [03:08:12] <jeev> it just keeps shooting that into messages [03:08:26] <jeev> that's not even in my smtpd.conf [03:08:50] *** Tachy has quit IRC [03:09:00] <shasta> scary [03:09:06] <shasta> I'd install qmail instead [03:09:10] <jeev> har har [03:09:13] <jeev> i'm trying to LEAVE qmail [03:09:19] <jeev> i mean it's authenticating [03:09:23] <jeev> even with saslauthd not running [03:09:26] <jeev> it's such a mess [03:09:55] <mwalling> its your dkim [03:10:08] <jeev> i wish i could kick you.. like physically [03:10:10] *** Tachy has joined #postfix [03:12:02] <shasta> mwalling, I wish I used that op [03:12:46] *** Baca_PE has quit IRC [03:13:50] <jeev> what's that supposed to mean ? [03:14:13] <mwalling> worry about fixing dkim [03:14:20] <jeev> why are you all like this? [03:14:28] <jeev> what the hell have i done wrong here? [03:14:53] *** Baca_PE has joined #postfix [03:15:45] <jeev> man tell me, give me a reason [03:15:55] <jeev> i want to know what makes you act like this with me [03:16:00] *** githogori has quit IRC [03:16:10] <jeev> i'm asking a legitimate question and you're telling me to worry about fixing dkim ? [03:32:14] *** dusty has quit IRC [03:32:35] *** dusty_ has joined #postfix [03:32:47] *** ldlework has joined #postfix [03:33:31] <ldlework> Hi, whats SOP for forwarding incomming mail to a remote email address. Something like root at mydomain dot com to myname+vps at gmail dot com [03:38:18] <shasta> !aliases [03:38:18] <knoba> shasta: Error: "aliases" is not a valid command. [03:38:21] <shasta> !alias [03:38:21] <knoba> shasta: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps [03:38:28] <shasta> stupid bot ;) [03:38:31] <shasta> ldlework, man 5 aliases [03:38:32] <mwalling> :) [03:38:34] <mwalling> that was me [03:38:39] <mwalling> !alias_maps [03:38:39] <knoba> mwalling: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details. [03:39:00] <ldlework> Yeah I want it to redirect to a remote address though [03:39:13] <ldlework> I even tried specifying a remote address anyway and it didn't work out [03:40:24] <shasta> are mails for mydomain.com delivered via local(8)? [03:40:49] <ldlework> I don't know, what's local(8)? [03:40:52] <ldlework> ;) [03:41:06] <mwalling> !basic [03:41:06] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [03:41:12] <mwalling> start there. [03:41:14] <shasta> it's not a virtual domain, is it? [03:41:55] <shasta> anyway, delivery to "remote addresses" works fine, I use it without any problems [03:42:01] <ldlework> no [03:42:04] <ldlework> Its a root server [03:42:17] <shasta> logs will tell you the truth [03:45:16] <ldlework> I'm using dovecot, does this matter? [03:46:06] <mwalling> !basic [03:46:06] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [03:47:12] *** afallenhope has joined #postfix [03:47:26] <afallenhope> is there a way of setting up postfix to allow certain IP [03:47:35] <afallenhope> allow them to relay that is. [03:48:30] <afallenhope> I want to setup postfix with for my server. [03:48:39] <mwalling> !mynetworks [03:48:39] <knoba> mwalling: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email. [03:48:53] <mwalling> although that might not be the nicest method [03:48:56] <mwalling> !sasl [03:48:56] <knoba> mwalling: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details. [03:49:06] <afallenhope> so that ONLY people on my subnet can relay.. I set them up in the main.cf however I still get relayd denied [03:49:36] <mwalling> then you need to check your restrictions. [03:50:31] <afallenhope> mynetworks = hash:/etc/postfix/mynetworks [03:50:35] <shasta> afallenhope, as always - pastebin relevant log entries, and output of postconf -n [03:51:56] <afallenhope> shasta, http://pastebin.com/d21bbc10c [03:53:20] <shasta> oh my :) [03:53:28] <shasta> you really need a hash map there? ;) [03:53:54] <afallenhope> how am I supposed to know I read tutorial on it and it said it'd be the best way [03:54:00] <afallenhope> so I followed it [03:54:02] <shasta> !tutorial [03:54:02] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. [03:54:35] <shasta> sheesh [03:54:42] <shasta> you really need to read this: [03:54:46] <shasta> !basic [03:54:46] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [03:55:23] <afallenhope> omg.. dude.. don't rtfm me.. because I have. [03:55:36] <mwalling> no, tutorial != manual [03:55:40] <afallenhope> I went to the site.. i read up on it.. I did everyhing I was supposed. [03:55:42] <afallenhope> yes [03:55:48] <shasta> "the site"? [03:55:48] <afallenhope> mwalling, I read the MANUAL [03:55:56] <mwalling> also, if you have, then you wouldnt be having this problem [03:56:48] <afallenhope> this is the site I read http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#stand_alone [03:56:56] <mwalling> !basic [03:56:56] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [03:57:03] <mwalling> learn to crawl before you walk [03:57:24] <ldlework> http://pastebin.ca/1056144 [03:57:28] <shasta> afallenhope, point me to the document you read on www.postfix.org that told you it's best to use hash: map in $mynetworks [03:57:38] <ldlework> Does that log verify that it is attempting to forward the email? [03:57:52] <ldlework> I'm not recieving it [03:57:59] <afallenhope> no that was the tutorial [03:58:06] <mwalling> !tutorial [03:58:07] <knoba> mwalling: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. [03:58:14] <mwalling> 21:55 < mwalling> no, tutorial != manual [03:58:15] <afallenhope> omfg dude I read that [03:58:24] <afallenhope> I said I have read the manual [03:58:31] <afallenhope> and it didn't work [03:58:36] <afallenhope> SO I read a tutorial [03:58:37] <mwalling> read != understand [03:58:57] <afallenhope> this is the worst support channel ever. [03:59:00] <rob0> I'm learning to crawl, after I drink! [03:59:16] <afallenhope> seriously.. all you guys do is "rtfm" and then claim we don't read it because we don't understand [03:59:30] <mwalling> we? [03:59:38] <mwalling> multiple personality disorder? [03:59:46] <afallenhope> Postfix email firewall/gateway [03:59:51] <afallenhope> that is where it said to has it [03:59:55] <afallenhope> hash [03:59:57] *** martianixor has quit IRC [04:00:04] <rob0> http://pastebin.com/d21bbc10c did not have a problem description [04:00:21] <ldlework> The problem is that I do not recieve the mail at dlacewell at gmail dot com [04:01:19] <shasta> afallenhope, start with vanilla main.cf, then read BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html and STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html. And no, none of the examples in STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html suggests using hash: map for mynetworks. [04:01:35] <rob0> Why did you paste that without logs? It's meaningless. [04:01:37] <afallenhope> right that's cool [04:01:42] <afallenhope> but I'm firewalled. [04:01:43] <ldlework> what? [04:01:48] <afallenhope> therefore I read the firewall one [04:01:56] <ldlework> rob [04:01:57] <ldlework> wierd [04:02:01] <mwalling> firewalled by what? [04:02:03] <ldlework> I meant to post the logs [04:02:08] <shasta> ldlework, it does: status=sent (forwarded as D80FC15887CA) [...] D80FC15887CA: to=<dlacewell at gmail dot com>, orig_to=<root at unnamedforums dot com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[72.14.205.27]:25, delay=2.6, delays=0/0.01/0.57/2.1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1214445260 k30si3905413qba.4) [04:02:23] <mwalling> NAT? PIX? some box running iptables? a windows box running ICS? [04:02:35] <ldlework> http://pastebin.ca/1056144 [04:02:40] <ldlework> is the right [04:02:59] <ldlework> hmm [04:03:04] *** gitguy has joined #postfix [04:03:06] <gitguy> hi [04:03:16] <rob0> dlacewell@gmail isn't getting those? [04:03:27] <ldlework> wow [04:03:31] <mwalling> did you check spam? [04:03:49] <gitguy> i have a server with apache+php, i want to tell php to use sendmail from another server but php doesn't let me do this on linux... so what other option do i have? [04:03:59] <gitguy> is there a way postfix could relay on another server [04:04:01] <rob0> If not, this is the first I've heard of gmail doing accept-then-discard like hotmail does. [04:04:03] <gitguy> or something like that [04:04:04] <ldlework> I did, its in neither. but when I search for the hostname, there they are! [04:04:08] <ldlework> peculiar [04:04:09] <mwalling> mwalling@you ~$ host unnamedforums.com [04:04:09] <mwalling> unnamedforums.com has address 65.182.165.31 [04:04:09] <mwalling> mwalling@you ~$ host 65.182.165.31 [04:04:09] <mwalling> Host 31.165.182.65.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) [04:04:21] <ldlework> ? [04:04:28] <mwalling> !fcrdns [04:04:29] <knoba> mwalling: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost . [04:04:42] <gitguy> anyone? [04:04:46] <mwalling> !relayhost [04:04:47] <knoba> mwalling: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. [04:04:50] <mwalling> gitguy: ^^ [04:04:59] <ldlework> mwalling, I think I can do the first [04:05:00] <ldlework> thanks [04:05:04] <mwalling> ldlework: !fcrdns is for you [04:05:08] <shasta> afallenhope, you're probably confusing a network firewall/nat with email firewall/gateway. the latter (and associated configuration example in STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html) means: postfix handling emails, processing them somehow (antivirus, antispam), then forwards it to another MTA [04:05:37] <afallenhope> shasta, you're right. I'm behind a NAT that's why [04:05:58] <shasta> afallenhope, and it has NOTHING to do with the firewall/gateway configuration example you mentioned. [04:06:15] <ldlework> mwalling, how do I achieve this? [04:06:17] <afallenhope> shasta, okay. [04:06:22] <ldlework> I appreciate your direction btw [04:06:26] <mwalling> donno [04:06:35] <rob0> gitguy, ask PHP questions in a PHP place? [04:06:39] <afallenhope> shasta, i thought that was the issue hence the reason why I following that manual [04:06:42] <gitguy> rob0: they are not nice either [04:06:44] <mwalling> your isp is incharge of your rnds [04:06:52] <gitguy> rob0: PHP sucks, it only does SMTP= on windows [04:06:54] <mwalling> 22:04 < gitguy> is there a way postfix could relay on another server [04:06:57] <mwalling> !relayhost [04:06:58] <knoba> mwalling: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. [04:07:20] <shasta> ldlework, remember that you sent email from dlacewell at gmail dot com to ... dlacewell at gmail dot com :) [04:07:22] <rob0> sure, that's in !standard too ... the null client section [04:07:28] <ldlework> Is that a boolean? [04:07:49] <rob0> postconf.5.html#relayhost [04:07:56] <mwalling> gitguy: there are libraries in php that will speak SMTP instead of sendmail(1), but they're ot here [04:09:03] <afallenhope> how wouls I allow it to realy then? [04:09:32] <ldlework> rob0, what do I want it to point to? me or gmail? [04:09:34] <ldlework> =x [04:09:45] <gitguy> how hard is to relay? [04:09:54] <gitguy> i never did this and my boss is being a F******** ASSHOLE [04:10:02] <shasta> afallenhope, http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#local_network [04:10:07] <gitguy> too much pressure [04:11:01] <ldlework> maybe I'll just deliver it to dlacewell+vps so its not the same address [04:11:08] <ldlework> and I can label it [04:11:19] <shasta> not hard at all, if the relayhost doesn't mind accepting mail from you, gitguy :) [04:12:12] <rob0> Actually just about ANYTHING involving mail is difficult if you don't have a clue about mail. It's the sad truth, made much worse by your friendly spammers. [04:12:25] <rob0> for example [04:12:39] <rob0> * if you don't use a proper myorigin [04:12:49] <rob0> * many ISPs now require AUTH [04:13:05] <rob0> * many also require TLS [04:13:37] <xpoint> auth without tls ?, secureity please ? :-) [04:14:04] <rob0> auth without TLS is fine over a secure link [04:14:12] <ldlework> I've got TLS [04:14:23] <ldlework> so what do I want to set relayhost to ? [04:14:46] <rob0> I have no idea. I wasn't even talking to you about that. [04:15:09] *** higuita has joined #postfix [04:15:10] <rob0> Some people think the whole world revolves around them ... [04:15:12] <ldlework> well what does one generally want to set it to? [04:15:15] <ldlework> No not at all [04:15:19] <rob0> !basic [04:15:19] <mwalling> their isps server [04:15:20] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [04:15:23] <ldlework> ugh [04:15:37] <mwalling> ldlework: i never hit you with !relayhost. i hit you with !fcrdns [04:15:44] <rob0> refer also to the !fcrdns yes [04:16:30] <rob0> anyway, gmail was accepting your aliased mail. [04:16:56] <rob0> (the one who needed !relayhost was gitguy ) [04:18:00] <ldlework> how do you know gmail accepted it? [04:18:23] <shasta> 250 2.0.0 OK 1214445260 k30si3905413qba.4) [04:18:27] <rob0> the log said so, didn't you read that? [04:18:37] <mwalling> 22:02 < shasta> ldlework, it does: status=sent (forwarded as D80FC15887CA) [...] D80FC15887CA: to=<dlacewell at gmail dot com>, orig_to=<root at unnamedforums dot com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[72.14.205.27]:25, delay=2.6, delays=0/0.01/0.57/2.1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1214445260 k30si3905413qba.4) [04:18:50] <rob0> status=sent [04:18:57] <ldlework> heh where are these damn emails [04:19:04] <rob0> ask gmail [04:19:05] <mwalling> ask gmail [04:19:07] <mwalling> damn you [04:19:08] <shasta> ask gmail [04:19:11] <shasta> ;) [04:19:16] <mwalling> shasta loses [04:19:16] <rob0> ask shasta [04:19:25] <mwalling> ask afallenhope [04:19:33] <shasta> ask jeev's dkim [04:19:35] <afallenhope> ask me what [04:19:38] <mwalling> he's read the manual [04:19:41] <mwalling> he knows everything [04:19:42] <rob0> ask not, what your country can do for you [04:19:55] <shasta> in soviet russia, gmail asks you [04:20:08] <rob0> oooooooh you're right [04:20:14] <mwalling> in deutschland though, google mail asks you instead [04:20:22] <afallenhope> Jun 25 22:19:00 afh postfix/smtp[14679]: 9C634E63E8: to=<pierre at govital dot net>, relay=none, delay=17, delays=17/0/0.02/0, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=localdomain type=A: Host not found) [04:20:25] <afallenhope> why do I get that? [04:20:25] <rob0> I mean ... Da tovarishch [04:20:43] <ldlework> hmm okay [04:20:48] <rob0> Name service error for name=localdomain type=A: Host not found [04:20:55] <mwalling> afallenhope: read your own fucking log message [04:20:56] <ldlework> appaerently it works if I send from a dfferent email address [04:21:04] <ldlework> sending it from dlacewell at gmail dot com doesn't work! [04:21:10] <afallenhope> mwalling, fuck you. seriously stop bein a dick [04:21:11] <ldlework> anyway thanks guys, I appreciate it, really. [04:21:34] <mwalling> ldlework: even with the broken rdns? [04:21:35] <afallenhope> I jsut didn't understand it fuck. [04:21:52] <ldlework> Yes [04:21:58] <mwalling> huh [04:22:07] <shasta> afallenhope, as rob0 pointed out - sad truth is, running a mailserver without basic network/protocols knowledge is hard, using your vocabulary, "as fuck". [04:22:09] <ldlework> But it seems it /literally/ relays it. Not like "Resending it" [04:22:10] <rob0> I'd love to stay and join in a fight, but dinner awaits [04:22:21] <rob0> bbiab [04:22:27] <ldlework> Because the email has no trace of being sent from my mailserver [04:22:36] <ldlework> as far as gmail can tell [04:22:40] <shasta> ldlework, it does, if you watch closely :) [04:22:43] <mwalling> ldlework: should be in Recieved headers [04:22:49] <afallenhope> have you guys ever wondered why Windows exists? [04:22:53] <ldlework> ah the to: is to root@ [04:23:08] <shasta> afallenhope, no, we don't bother [04:23:18] <afallenhope> it's because assholes in the *nix community that "RTFM" people [04:23:39] <ldlework> afallenhope, you do have to RTFM [04:23:45] <ldlework> but then you gotta ask the right questions [04:23:48] <mwalling> actually, windows exists to provide me a day job [04:23:50] <mwalling> ldlework: <3 [04:24:21] <shasta> afallenhope, we're just secret Microsoft supporters; by being assholes we're increasing windows sell rate [04:24:35] <rob0> oh wow, what a total jerk. [04:24:38] <afallenhope> I wouldn't doubt it [04:24:46] <rob0> !sweet [04:24:46] *** afallenhope has left #postfix [04:24:46] <knoba> rob0: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [04:24:50] <rob0> damn [04:24:59] <mwalling> toooooo ssslllllooooowwwwwww [04:25:06] <mwalling> ldlework: seriously, <3 [04:25:10] <rob0> okay really afk now :) [04:25:29] <shasta> I'm off for some sleep now; mwalling canhaz all the love [04:25:33] <mwalling> dinner at 1030? [04:25:54] <shasta> yeah, righ! sleep at 0425? ;) [04:25:56] <shasta> +t [04:30:45] * Internat sits down with wsome popcorn [04:40:44] *** magyar has quit IRC [04:56:24] *** killerchicken__ has joined #postfix [05:03:13] *** Dominian has quit IRC [05:03:46] *** Dominian has joined #postfix [05:04:32] *** killerchicken_ has quit IRC [05:05:26] *** Dominian has quit IRC [05:06:17] *** Dominian has joined #postfix [05:09:41] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC [05:12:00] <rob0> mwalling: 2130 it was [05:28:02] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix [05:28:20] *** Baca_PE has quit IRC [05:29:03] *** githogori has joined #postfix [05:32:44] *** allan has joined #postfix [05:34:55] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix [05:43:58] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix [05:46:51] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix [05:47:03] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [06:03:34] <jeev> xpoint: there? about http://cvs.caudiumforge.net/viewvc/openvisp/admin/contrib/configurations/postfix/smtpd.conf?revision=1.3&view=markup [06:11:56] *** Guest28521 has quit IRC [06:12:05] <jeev> heh, to make saslauth auxprop/sql to work with my postfix set up, i have to set the passwords as plaintext.. how gay is that [06:12:08] <jeev> wonder if there be a workaround [06:12:18] <jeev> but i'd actually prefer plaintext so i dont have to continually reset passwords [06:12:21] <jeev> and nobody has access [06:23:42] <jeev> i think it has to do with crypt in bsd [06:23:55] <jeev> cyrus can't read it? [06:24:21] *** daemoen has joined #postfix [06:24:36] *** pickcoder has quit IRC [06:32:07] <xpoint> jeev, i have it crypted in mysql [06:32:13] <jeev> hmm [06:32:17] <jeev> with that [06:32:21] <jeev> you're doing auxprop [06:32:26] <jeev> i'm trying to determine [06:32:36] <xpoint> so if a user ask me about the lost password i only can give them a new one [06:33:13] <jeev> yea [06:33:14] <jeev> give me a sec [06:33:18] <jeev> let me figure this out [06:33:19] <jeev> to tel you [06:33:33] <xpoint> this [06:33:35] <xpoint> is [06:33:37] <xpoint> a [06:33:39] <xpoint> long [06:33:42] <xpoint> line [06:33:44] <xpoint> :-) [06:34:48] <jeev> i'm curious to see what the issue here is, if i have "MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD password" in my authmysqlrc file for authlib, http://www.courier-mta.org/authlib/README.authmysql.html says that "NOTE: this password must be crypt-ed using the operating system's crypt function, NOT MySQL's crypt function. MySQL's crypt() function is non-standard and is not generally compatible with the operating system's crypt function." and pop works just fine when postfixadmin does md5c [06:35:59] <jeev> password_format: crypt [06:36:04] <jeev> what crypt is that? OS crypt ? [06:36:05] *** githogori has quit IRC [06:36:40] <xpoint> what conf in postfix admin do yuu use ? [06:36:47] <jeev> first, md5crypt [06:36:52] <jeev> now i've changed to plaintext, to test. [06:37:22] <jeev> i dont have a problem with using plaintext, but i would like to figure it out [06:37:30] <xpoint> here i use md5crypt in postfixadmin [06:37:35] <jeev> i did too [06:37:42] <jeev> let me see if i'm saying it right [06:37:47] <xpoint> that should work [06:38:05] <jeev> plaintext shouldn't matter, obviously.. right? [06:38:08] <jeev> i'm using tls. [06:38:15] <jeev> it's only insecure for local users [06:38:18] <jeev> but i dont have local users [06:38:18] <daemoen> hey guys... anyone in here familiar with postfixadmin? [06:38:26] <jeev> please tell me if i'm wrong, because i'm having a very hard time thinking [06:38:31] <xpoint> deemon, no :-) [06:38:55] * daemoen wonders how he got turned into deemon [06:38:58] * daemoen ponders [06:39:46] *** bhagat has joined #postfix [06:39:47] * xpoint is tired after helping frinds [06:40:39] <xpoint> jeev, your question one more time and only for me please :-), the abouve url do not use authdaemond [06:41:52] <xpoint> jeev, i have a look at that url you posted, but what is the problem ? [06:44:05] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix [06:46:09] <jeev> hmm [06:46:14] <jeev> i'm saying [06:46:51] <jeev> ok so my set up wasn't using authdaemond for smtpd.conf, correct? [06:47:17] <jeev> i have this.. to sql query on the mysql database: [06:47:17] <jeev> sasl_pwcheck_method: auxprop [06:47:17] <jeev> sasl_auxprop_plugin: sql [06:47:18] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: My problem yesterday was my inability to properly validate data. [06:48:18] <jeev> so saslauthd is unable to read md5crypt [06:48:18] <jeev> ? [06:48:21] <xpoint> _RainMkr_, so filesystem was ok ? [06:49:00] *** githogori has joined #postfix [06:49:03] <xpoint> jeev, no this works to, when yuo use rimap [06:49:27] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: Correct, not a problem at all. [06:50:00] <_RainMkr_> I had an errant space in the path ( at the beginning ) to location of the users data directory. [06:50:05] <jeev> i'm not using rimap though, why would i ? [06:51:37] <xpoint> _RainMkr_, simple hehe [06:52:10] <_RainMkr_> yea, just not simple to see. [06:52:19] <xpoint> jeev, if you want saslauthd to work you need this [06:53:38] <xpoint> _RainMkr_, corret such problems show up easely after a sleep or one botle of wine :-) [06:53:44] <jeev> i need what, rimap? [06:53:45] *** deepsa has joined #postfix [06:54:53] <xpoint> jeev, no just one working cyrys-sasl to mysql with i show my config for, and its complete olso working with postfix admin when you use md5crypt [06:55:24] <jeev> hmm [06:55:30] <jeev> so YOU use rimap for it then [06:55:31] <xpoint> jeev, if its not working then you need to recompile cyrus-sasl it needs crypt and mysql [06:55:41] <deepsa> guys i want to setup postfix such that only mails coming from authenticated users are delievered else rejected. http://rafb.net/p/QJ9vBh96.html [06:56:07] <xpoint> jeev, currently i do not use smtp auth at all [06:56:35] <xpoint> but yes this is only my ssl key that forbids me this :-) [06:56:57] <jeev> oh [06:57:27] <jeev> xpoint, i'll try rimap [06:59:12] <deepsa> but in this setup if the client is not authenticated then also he is able to send email [06:59:13] <xpoint> jeev, does authtest foo at domain dot tld work ? [06:59:53] <jeev> yes [06:59:57] <xpoint> jeev, if so does saslauthd -u foo -p password -r domain.tld give succes ? [07:00:10] <xpoint> jeev, if so does saslauthdtest -u foo -p password -r domain.tld give succes ? [07:00:25] <jeev> oh [07:00:26] <jeev> saslauthdaed [07:00:27] <jeev> hold [07:00:28] <xpoint> damm i lost the shell :-) [07:00:49] <jeev> testsaslauthd? it cant' connect [07:00:55] <jeev> i couldn't find the actual arguments to it [07:01:20] <jeev> connect() : No such file or directory [07:02:01] <xpoint> is saslauthd running ? [07:02:35] <jeev> yea [07:02:36] <jeev> 0: NO "authentication failed" [07:02:46] <xpoint> if you again and again look at my url you see what to put in smtpd.conf [07:03:24] <xpoint> that means you need to fix mysql conf for couerier-authlib [07:03:52] <xpoint> only load authmysql [07:03:54] <jeev> well SELECT password FROM mailbox WHERE username = '%u@%r' AND smtpauth = '1' [07:03:58] <jeev> smtpauth doesn't exist anyway [07:04:07] <jeev> authmysql is only loaded. [07:04:09] <jeev> i understand what you're saying [07:04:16] <xpoint> remove AND smtpauth then [07:04:26] <jeev> yea i know, is it a possibility to have rimap localhost? [07:04:39] <xpoint> its for openvisp not postfixadmin [07:04:41] *** idle-boy` has joined #postfix [07:04:55] <xpoint> jeev, yes [07:05:28] <jeev> you think that would be good enough ? [07:05:33] <jeev> i already got it working with cleartext though [07:05:42] <xpoint> jeev, any host imap works from can be setup to proxy auth with saslauthd [07:05:48] <jeev> there isn't a security issue with that (other than actual box access), right? cause i require TLS [07:06:58] <xpoint> jeev, that question is more that if or not you want ssl requred or not [07:07:12] <jeev> i want ssl required, i already have ssl required. [07:07:34] <xpoint> olso from localhost to localhost ? :) [07:08:21] <xpoint> well if its outside your network ssl makes sense [07:08:47] <jeev> yea, localhost to localhost, no ssl [07:08:55] <jeev> but anything that connects to check/send mail [07:08:57] <jeev> requires ssl. [07:09:02] <jeev> so plaintext is fine for smtp auth, right ? [07:09:12] <jeev> by that, i changed postfixadmin to plaintext.. [07:09:20] <jeev> and made sure auxprop does it plaintext. [07:09:32] <xpoint> but usely saslauthd and your imap server is both running on your servers so ssl is not really needed there if you do strict firewalls [07:09:49] <jeev> cause auxprop i guess can't figure out crypt() on the box [07:10:07] <jeev> i mean saslauthd [07:10:10] *** action09 has quit IRC [07:10:17] <xpoint> jeev, you need recompile cyrus then [07:10:52] <jeev> i did, i'm trying via freebsd port, make config doesnt mention crypt() [07:10:57] <jeev> but it does mention digest md5 and all the other crap [07:11:24] <jeev> http://rafb.net/p/KrcKd161.html [07:11:34] <jeev> let me try ./configure --help and see if it's in there? [07:12:04] <xpoint> jeev, ask on a freebsd about this issue, your cyrus-sasl just need crypt and mysql no more then that [07:12:13] <jeev> i know [07:12:19] <jeev> http://osdir.com/ml/security.cyrus.sasl/2002-12/msg00072.html [07:12:20] <jeev> see that guy? [07:12:23] <jeev> he was trying to do it too [07:12:45] <xpoint> jeev, sorry i run gentoo where it works [07:12:50] <jeev> :) [07:12:59] <jeev> i guess i'm not restricting smtp to encryption only [07:13:18] <jeev> how could i require people to only able to authenticate via secure connection ? [07:15:06] *** killerchicken__ has left #postfix [07:15:13] <xpoint> disable pop3d and diable impd, but run pop3ds and imapds [07:15:33] <jeev> no how about through postfix [07:15:35] <jeev> for smtpd [07:15:45] <xpoint> what was the question one more time ? [07:16:13] <jeev> like if i authenticate without TLS, it's ok, it sends the mail [07:16:15] <jeev> i want it to not allow that [07:16:17] <xpoint> first you need cyrus-sasl working [07:16:37] <jeev> it is! through plaintext [07:17:09] <xpoint> so testsaslauth -u foo -p password -r domain.tld now says succes ? [07:18:39] <jeev> no, i dont understand why it's not querying sql. [07:19:03] <jeev> either way, pop authentication is working! [07:19:04] <xpoint> saslauthd does not work with direct sql [07:19:22] <jeev> how would testsaslauth work then? smtpd.conf is set to use auxprop [07:19:27] <xpoint> use rimap, got the point now ? [07:19:29] <jeev> and query, just like if i were to open a pop session, it'd do it [07:19:31] <jeev> wait [07:19:35] <jeev> do you get what i'm saying though [07:19:50] <jeev> does testsaslauth do smtp or pop/imap ? [07:19:51] <xpoint> no [07:20:32] <jeev> you dont get what i'm saying? [07:20:41] <jeev> what does testsaslauth use to authenticate? smtpd.conf ? [07:21:53] *** mjoseph_ has joined #postfix [07:22:03] <xpoint> jeev, here is my saslauthd config on how to start saslauth http://gate.junc.org/saslauthd [07:22:37] <xpoint> jeev, with that saslauthd uses a working imap server to ask for users login and passowrds [07:22:50] <jeev> but how come i can login to imap with horde [07:22:57] <jeev> but testsaslauth doesn't work [07:23:23] <jeev> i do not see a connection to imap [07:23:26] <jeev> when i run testsaslauth [07:23:27] <xpoint> its problem relaieds in how you start saslauthd [07:23:38] <jeev> yea, so that means.. it relies on smtpd.conf, correct? [07:24:05] <xpoint> smtpd.conf is only used by postfix [07:24:16] <jeev> oh [07:24:23] *** idle-boy has quit IRC [07:25:11] <jeev> xpoint, so if i run testsaslauth, shouldn't imap log ? [07:25:33] <jeev> because imap logs when i login any other way [07:25:38] <xpoint> on gentoo yes, i dont know others :-) [07:25:52] <jeev> yea, so when i run it [07:25:55] <jeev> it just says authentication failed [07:25:56] <jeev> no log. [07:26:16] <xpoint> but horde works ? [07:26:22] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC [07:26:39] <jeev> yes sir [07:26:52] *** f3ew has quit IRC [07:27:01] *** mjoseph has quit IRC [07:27:01] *** mjoseph_ is now known as mjoseph [07:27:04] <jeev> and it's the same if i add -r localhost or -r the ip or whatever. [07:27:13] <xpoint> and that user is created with md5crypt in postfixadmin ? [07:27:24] <jeev> yes sir [07:27:27] <jeev> but right now, it's plaintext [07:27:27] <jeev> 75676 testsaslauthd GIO fd 3 read 17 bytes [07:27:27] <jeev> "NO PAM auth error" [07:27:29] *** f3ew has joined #postfix [07:27:30] <jeev> that's what it says [07:27:45] <xpoint> stop using pam [07:27:47] <jeev> root 73768 0.0 0.2 2956 1588 ?? I 10:02PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/saslauthd -a pam [07:27:49] <jeev> i have no other option [07:27:56] <jeev> i run this without pam, i dont even start saslauthd [07:28:02] <jeev> since postfix only uses smtpd.conf [07:28:09] <jeev> authentication mechanisms: sasldb getpwent kerberos5 pam rimap [07:28:12] <jeev> what if i dont want to use rimap [07:28:13] <xpoint> change it to -a rimap [07:28:15] <jeev> the whole point here is [07:28:15] <jeev> ok [07:28:30] <xpoint> 42 [07:28:41] <xpoint> what if i win in lotto ? [07:28:50] <jeev> saslauthd[75839] :set_auth_mech : failed to initialize mechanism rimap [07:28:51] <jeev> jesus christ man [07:29:21] <xpoint> your freebsd is brokken [07:29:40] <jeev> no it's not, i guarantee it's sasl [07:30:05] <xpoint> jeev, night, l8tr and all that [07:30:19] <jeev> anyway [07:30:27] <jeev> the point is something else [07:30:29] <jeev> good ngiht man [07:30:31] <jeev> i got it running in plaintext [07:30:38] <jeev> i guess i can try to figure out why md5crypt isn't read. [07:31:35] <xpoint> :/ [07:31:38] <jeev> yea [07:31:39] <jeev> oh well [07:31:40] <jeev> i just gotta figure out [07:31:45] <xpoint> horde is working remember that [07:31:47] <jeev> how to decline smtp auth if it's not secure [07:31:48] <jeev> ya [07:31:56] <jeev> i just want to require tls. [07:32:10] <xpoint> so do the rest as i told you [07:32:14] <jeev> what rest? [07:32:34] <jeev> pop3s? [07:32:36] <jeev> yea i know that. [07:32:45] <jeev> i dont know how to make postfix do it though [07:34:02] *** c0m has quit IRC [07:35:53] <jeev> smtpd_sender_restrictions =.. reading time [07:47:32] *** tombar_ has quit IRC [07:50:26] <jeev> ah [07:50:29] <jeev> i guess that's not it [07:51:27] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix [07:51:32] *** cafuego has quit IRC [07:52:13] *** cafuego has joined #postfix [07:54:46] <jeev> is it possible to reject sending email from port 25? only accept ? [08:02:03] *** pitakill has quit IRC [08:05:59] <deepsa> probably via iptables [08:09:21] *** af_ has joined #postfix [08:09:49] <jeev> not everyone uses linux ;) [08:22:56] <deepsa> hehe [08:23:20] *** deepsa has quit IRC [08:29:44] *** sophokles has joined #postfix [08:35:45] *** jMCg has joined #Postfix [08:44:02] *** af_ has quit IRC [08:46:15] *** phnord has joined #postfix [08:51:14] *** ming_zym has quit IRC [08:54:04] *** syneus has joined #postfix [08:58:17] *** ronino has joined #postfix [08:58:19] <ronino> hi [08:59:01] <ronino> somehow my Postfix doesn't send mails immediately, but puts them into the queue, the log says: 4769E15BAF2: from=<foo at domain dot tld>, size=1621, nrcpt=1 (queue active) [08:59:13] <ronino> any idea why they don't get sent immediately? [08:59:49] *** generic has joined #postfix [09:02:05] <generic> SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory [09:02:29] <generic> what this mean i am trying to configure postfix to send emails on tls with cyrus [09:09:52] <sysmonk> ronino: your queue is big? [09:10:08] <ronino> sysmonk: just 3 mails... [09:10:22] <sysmonk> ronino: all mails are queued first and then delivered [09:10:25] <sysmonk> but the delivery should be instant [09:10:49] <ronino> yeah, that's okay, but they are in the queue now for minutes [09:11:16] <sysmonk> ronino: could you pastebin your mailq and tail -100 /var/log/maillog ? [09:16:29] *** madrescher has joined #postfix [09:16:37] <ronino> sysmonk: I'm about, too [09:16:40] <ronino> about to [09:22:34] <ronino> sysmonk: http://pastebin.com/m4cc2d83a see lines 52/53 and 79/80, I don't think those aliases.db errors are related as I only set the hostname in main.cf yesterday and it worked after a postfix restart [09:23:51] <ronino> there were some 30 or so mails in the queue yesterday and after setting the hostname, they all we're sent out [09:24:09] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC [09:25:59] <sysmonk> ronino: don't you see ALL those errors? [09:26:09] <sysmonk> aren't they obvious? [09:26:24] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|zzz [09:26:44] *** jeevan_ullas has joined #postfix [09:27:55] <ronino> sysmonk: hmm, but it worked at last [09:28:00] *** gamla_kossan has joined #postfix [09:28:06] <gamla_kossan> morning [09:28:20] <gamla_kossan> I've got postfix set up to use a virtual file (i e I mean /etc/postfix/virtual). most entries are like 'mag <tab> mag at abc dot se'. no problem with using procmail with those entries. however, there are other entries, that are like this: 'mig at abc dot se <tab> mig at 123 dot nu'. and I've no idea how to invoke procmail for the mail for those entries.. [09:28:42] <sysmonk> ronino: then you changed something. i.e. the path of aliases file [09:29:10] <sysmonk> gola: don't use tab, use a space only [09:29:17] <sysmonk> and procmail != postfix [09:32:10] <gamla_kossan> sysmonk: yeah, but I reckon it's still a relevant question, since it's not really a procmail question either, yeah? :> [09:32:45] *** f3ew is now known as server-- [09:33:27] <ronino> sysmonk: okay, thx, i'll investigate further [09:34:03] *** server-- is now known as f3ew [09:34:58] <sysmonk> gamla_kossan: why isn't it a procmail question? [09:35:15] <sysmonk> gamla_kossan: ah sorry didn't read till the end [09:35:28] <sysmonk> gamla_kossan: those are _virtual_ and you can't invoke them, unless mig at 123 dot nu is on your server [09:35:33] <sysmonk> then ill will be invoken for that user [09:36:19] *** af_ has joined #postfix [09:36:21] <gamla_kossan> no, mig at 123 dot nu is on another machine altogether, which isn't under my control.. :/ [09:36:27] <jeevan_ullas> guys, i want to configure postfix such that only those who had successfully done SMTP AUTH can send mail to outside or to someone on the mail server itself [09:36:41] <gamla_kossan> sysmonk: so it's not possible then? [09:37:48] <sysmonk> gamla_kossan: so you're forwarding it to that machine, then you can't [09:37:52] <sysmonk> procmail is for local delivery [09:38:05] <gamla_kossan> right, ok.. thanks :> [09:38:05] <sysmonk> !sasl [09:38:06] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details. [09:38:07] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: ^^ [09:39:48] <jeevan_ullas> yeah i am using SASL but its not working here's my main.cf [09:40:00] <jeevan_ullas> http://rafb.net/p/F2R5XS86.html [09:40:17] <jeevan_ullas> and saslauthd is also running with pam mechanism [09:42:20] <gamla_kossan> sysmonk: how would you go about solving that? set up a unix account for the mailbox, run procmail, and then forward the mail with a script? [09:42:33] <gamla_kossan> or is there an even easier solution? :> [09:46:00] <ronino> sysmonk: I fixed that aliases problem and now mails get sent immediately [09:46:04] <ronino> sysmonk: thx again [09:46:30] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix [09:46:36] *** gitguy has quit IRC [09:48:09] *** diqpib has joined #postfix [09:52:18] *** diqpib has quit IRC [09:56:19] *** dharmin has joined #postfix [09:57:45] *** war9407 has joined #postfix [09:57:48] *** denis_ has joined #postfix [09:58:20] <sysmonk> gamla_kossan: i don't use procmail ;) [10:02:10] *** sophokles has quit IRC [10:02:44] *** sophokles has joined #postfix [10:03:10] <gamla_kossan> hehe, I see.. 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[10:31:28] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix [10:32:41] <jeevan_ullas> this is main.cf file http://rafb.net/p/uNEYMU24.html [10:33:51] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: use postconf -n [10:33:56] <sysmonk> don't pastebin the main.cf file itsel [10:33:58] <sysmonk> itself* [10:34:02] *** piti has joined #postfix [10:34:17] <sysmonk> and please, lower the debug level, and up it only if we ask [10:34:24] <sysmonk> reading through ALL that log is painful [10:34:45] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: ok [10:34:50] *** rootsvr has quit IRC [10:35:44] <f3ew> where is he sending mail to? [10:35:55] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC [10:36:04] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: postconf -n is now http://rafb.net/p/LKN7uE86.html [10:38:19] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: now pastebin the logs WITHOUT debuging [10:43:25] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: http://rafb.net/p/Dea2UU95.html [10:48:48] *** kk_CHN has joined #postfix [10:49:13] *** ronino has left #postfix [10:49:56] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: so? it's sent .. [10:50:18] *** ronino has joined #postfix [10:50:20] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: yes test user got the email. but it shouldnt [10:50:22] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: you're sending it to YOUR domain [10:50:28] <sysmonk> it should... [10:50:36] <sysmonk> your postfix IS responsible for that domain [10:50:41] <sysmonk> so it SHOULD accept the mail [10:50:50] <sysmonk> try sending it to your other email, which isn't on this servere [10:51:04] <sysmonk> i.e. if you have, to you gmail.com / yahoo.com or whatever account [10:51:08] <ronino> re [10:51:31] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: yeah he doesnt [10:51:47] <jeevan_ullas> but this way anyone can send email to anyone in the same domain for which postfix is working [10:52:22] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: so, you don't want ANY external user to send you and email ? :) [10:52:57] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: yeah. if he is not authenticated to my server [10:53:12] *** harobed has joined #postfix [10:53:14] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: so, if i'll send an email from my gmail.com account to you - you won't get the mail [10:53:17] <sysmonk> do you understand that? [10:53:22] <sysmonk> cause i will NOT be authenticated [10:53:23] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: yes. i do [10:53:39] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: so it means that NOBODY will be able to send you any email [10:53:54] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: but local clients in example.com should/can [10:54:13] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: yeah, but they won't be able to contact with anyone outside [10:54:19] <sysmonk> that is, nobody from outside will be able to email them [10:54:23] <sysmonk> that's ... kinda stupid [10:54:38] <jeevan_ullas> yeah. how can they contact if example.com doesn't exists [10:54:54] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: what's the purpose of your server? [10:55:00] <jeevan_ullas> local mail server [10:55:04] <sysmonk> for what? [10:55:11] <jeevan_ullas> mail storage and deleivery [10:55:19] <sysmonk> mail storage from who? nobody? :) [10:55:34] <jeevan_ullas> for local users on mail server [10:55:48] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: as you wish [10:55:59] <jeevan_ullas> they use mail client from other machine to authenticate themselves on mail server [10:56:08] <sysmonk> jeevan_ullas: change the reject_unauth_destination in your smtpd_recipient_restrictions to reject [11:03:59] <piti> Hi. I'm setting up a postfix server, which seems to work (it is not completly setted for the moment). the trouble I have, is that it doesn't produce any log. which file should I modify to have theses logs ? [11:04:18] <jeevan_ullas> sysmonk: thanks. that's work [11:05:20] <sysmonk> piti: your syslog config. if that won't helps - modify the operating system / distro to a better one ;) [11:06:05] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix [11:11:03] *** madrescher has joined #postfix [11:12:22] <piti> sysmonk, I'll check that, and I think I'm the cause, as I tried to set up this mailserver 2 month ago, and had more important things to do. I'll look this syslog config [11:13:25] *** lionel__ has joined #postfix [11:21:35] *** lionel_ has quit IRC [11:29:05] *** bhavya has joined #postfix [11:29:55] <bhavya> i need basic configuration information about postfix [11:30:52] *** bhavya has quit IRC [11:35:45] <f3ew> !basic [11:35:45] <knoba> f3ew: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [11:36:40] *** Estagus_ has quit IRC [11:45:45] *** lionel__ has quit IRC [12:05:52] *** bjartis has joined #postfix [12:06:06] <bjartis> What's a good webmail for postfix? [12:06:37] <bjartis> Sqiurrelmail performs badly with big inboxes ::.. almost like it's downloading everything, everytime [12:06:48] <taec> bjartis: use IMAP [12:07:17] <bjartis> Squirrel in imap mode u mean? [12:07:28] <bjartis> i do use imap for mail-clients like outlook and thunderbird. [12:08:19] <taec> Use IMAP for webmail also. [12:08:32] <taec> If you're performance heavy anyway. [12:09:12] <bjartis> Hmm. turns out sqiurrel is configured for imap [12:09:30] <taec> Well, the two big alternatives are IMP / Roundcube. [12:10:03] <taec> What IMAP system are you using? [12:10:29] <taec> If you've got large inboxes, dovecot can be much faster as it does quite clever indexing. [12:11:42] <onre> dovecot + maildirs = win, in my experience at least [12:12:51] <bjartis> Courier [12:13:01] <bjartis> i tried roundcube.. got bad performance there also [12:13:25] <bjartis> never heard of dovecot but i'm gonna google it now [12:14:30] <taec> bjartis: sounds like problems with your IMAP server not your webmail system. [12:14:44] <bjartis> well. It works fast from tunderbird in imap-mode.. [12:15:23] <bjartis> and even outlook ;) [12:16:12] *** jeevan_ullas has quit IRC [12:17:34] <bjartis> Bu after reading very quick on dovecot i might give that a try. Wasn't aware that courier-imap didn't cache the mail indexes.. [12:18:00] *** xnixan has quit IRC [12:18:10] <taec> Outlook and thunderbird both cache the msgids etc. [12:18:15] <taec> squirrelmail / roundcube probably do not [12:18:46] <bjartis> i was kinda thinking they SHOULD. But is that asking too much from a web-app? [12:19:30] <taec> IME, performance is secondary in most web apps. 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[14:19:45] <bjartis> I want to exchange my courier server, but i don't want to configure a new authentication setup to mysql. [14:19:51] <mwalling> welcome to #postfix, where we talk about postfix. [14:20:24] <bjartis> Well. I figured people in postfix talk about this stuff..But never mind then. [14:20:31] <dragonheart> #dovecot [14:21:17] *** bjartis has left #postfix [14:23:14] *** jellis-real has joined #postfix [14:30:28] *** Nockian has quit IRC [14:31:15] <rob0> I think dovecot would still have to access the SQL directly. I've never heard of it using saslauthd for authentication, although I suppose it would be doable. (And yes, I know he's gone.) [14:32:07] <thumbs> you know, people start talking to themselves in their old age... [14:32:08] <rob0> in short, it would be a much bigger job to set up the dovecot->saslauthd than dovecot->SQL [14:32:14] <thumbs> heh [14:32:58] <rob0> It's an interesting, albeit insane, idea. [14:36:19] <mwalling> dont worry, tss scolded him :) [14:36:34] <mwalling> 08:34 [*] bjartis [n=bjartis at 195 dot 1.73.1] has left #dovecot ["Leaving"] [14:37:12] <thumbs> he got booted from dovecot too? [14:37:36] <mwalling> he asked his stupid question, timo said "no" in many more words, he left [14:37:56] <thumbs> serves him well [14:38:44] <thumbs> but, I thought there were no syupid questions.... [14:38:48] <rob0> haha [14:39:33] <thumbs> only stupid people. [14:42:29] *** af_ has joined #postfix [14:44:24] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix [14:47:09] *** robtone_ has quit IRC [14:49:18] *** robtone_ has joined #postfix [14:49:56] <mwalling> same thing [14:51:44] <rob0> Or as despair.com would say, there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots. [14:52:12] <rob0> :-( [TM] [14:54:58] *** }btorch{ has quit IRC [14:56:35] <thumbs> rob0++ [15:01:52] *** c0m has joined #postfix [15:03:26] *** alys has joined #postfix [15:04:47] *** idle-boy` has joined #postfix [15:05:51] *** Juspion has quit IRC [15:06:23] *** alys has left #postfix [15:07:38] *** krondorl has joined #postfix [15:10:36] *** martianixor has joined #postfix [15:17:21] <cpm> off-topic, under posix, where is pr0n supposed to be mounted? /opt/pr0n, or /var/share/pr0n ? [15:24:03] *** idle-boy has quit IRC [15:25:00] *** saurabhb has quit IRC [15:25:25] <rob0> Tough one. I'm not sure. But I know who to ask. [15:27:55] <shasta> FHS should specify that [15:30:25] <rob0> pr0nd(8) [15:30:55] <cpm> man pr0nd [15:31:09] <shasta> /usr/share/pr0n [15:31:42] <shasta> well, definitely it isn't optional, so not /opt [15:32:22] <rob0> Some of it might be site-specific, so /usr/local/ is worth considering. [15:33:53] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC [15:35:08] <rob0> /usr/share/rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants) [15:35:17] <rob0> or just ... ~rms [15:35:37] <shasta> ;> [15:35:56] <rob0> "Stallman does Dallas" if you're not familiar with the story. [15:37:42] <sysmonk> :)) [15:53:08] <cpm> heh [15:53:46] *** af_ has quit IRC [15:54:12] *** allan__ has joined #postfix [15:54:21] *** allan has quit IRC [15:55:58] *** allan__ is now known as allan [16:01:02] *** havvg has joined #postfix [16:03:04] *** ullio has joined #postfix [16:03:36] <ullio> hello. how would this behave: "virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:a.cf, mysql:b.cf" ? [16:03:58] <ullio> would that mean if a.cf produces no result go evaluate b.cf? [16:04:12] <lunaphyte_> i think the postfix logo should be some sort of angry fox. [16:04:32] <lunaphyte_> pistfox. [16:04:52] <ullio> plus postfix does several lookups on the same address, like user@domain, @domain. how would this play along? [16:05:15] <lunaphyte_> btw, there's no init script to restart pistfox, even if you're dyslexic. [16:10:50] *** dharmin has left #postfix [16:11:46] <lunaphyte_> ullio: first match wins. [16:12:22] <lunaphyte_> you can specify as many maps as you want. [16:12:52] *** madrescher has quit IRC [16:17:15] *** ralfWORK has left #postfix [16:25:01] *** vsd has joined #postfix [16:25:11] <vsd> how can i migrate a mailbox from one server to another? [16:25:54] <Dominian> tar it up.. move it over [16:26:20] *** piksi- has joined #postfix [16:26:47] *** piksi- has quit IRC [16:28:02] <sysmonk> Dominian: that's so old fashioned, nowadays you just meditate about it for a minute and vuala, it's migrated [16:28:12] *** madrescher has joined #postfix [16:28:30] <jelly> well... stop incoming mail at both ends; then move the file, then reopen the pipes [16:28:37] <jelly> s/move/copy/ [16:28:42] <mwalling> or just requeue it [16:28:47] <jelly> no. [16:28:51] <mwalling> yes [16:28:55] <jelly> nevar! [16:29:07] <sysmonk> mwalling: the current mail{box,dir} content won't be automagically teleported that way [16:29:17] <mwalling> for i in ~/Maildir/cur/*; do sendmail newaddress@newhost < $i; done [16:29:18] <sysmonk> really, if you want it done teh right way, just meditate [16:29:28] <sysmonk> i can give you meditation courses for only 9999,99 [16:29:29] <jelly> sysmonk: then you haven't meditated correctly [16:29:53] <sysmonk> oh i do, i do ... [16:30:02] <sysmonk> i meditate every now and then [16:30:11] <vsd> jelly, but it did not download the whole mailbox [16:30:21] <sysmonk> two weeks ago i've meditated for 7k+ minutes, and it moved 7k+ mailboxes to another server! [16:30:22] <vsd> when i moved the account [16:30:31] <sysmonk> imap mailboxes, even :) [16:30:34] <jelly> vsd: download? [16:30:53] <vsd> i mean it didn't get all past messages in my inbox [16:31:13] <jelly> vsd: how did you copy the file(s)? [16:31:27] <Dominian> sysmonk: haha [16:31:54] <sysmonk> vsd: cat file && copy-paste it [16:31:58] * sysmonk hides away [16:31:59] <sysmonk> ;) [16:32:32] <jelly> sysmonk: while that might be slow, I find that result the best one yet using the particular method of mailbox migration [16:32:45] <sysmonk> jelly: i reaaaly don't have that trouble ... [16:33:11] * jelly does 150k mailboxes in 8-12 hours [16:33:40] <jelly> no, make it more like, /me hopes never to have to migrate mailboxes again [16:33:41] <sysmonk> jelly: i use cyrus imap, so if i want to migrate a mailbox i just create an account on another server, use imapsync to transfer mailbox content, then suspend the account, retransfer again, tell postfix to deliver to the other server and unsuspend the account [16:34:02] <jelly> sysmonk: we used rsync. :-) [16:34:31] <vsd> ok with imap it worked [16:34:36] <vsd> with pop3 it doesn't :/ [16:35:06] <sysmonk> jelly: sure, rsync can be used to... if you use the same version / software :) [16:35:28] <sysmonk> but that won't work for courier -> cyrus migration [16:35:30] <jelly> vsd: oh, you were doing it without having access to the storage system. I'm almost always assuming admin access. :-| [16:36:09] <vsd> jelly, i have admin access [16:36:51] <jelly> sysmonk: well, the time before that was rsync + mbox2maildir. I've used offlineimap for casual personal use, but not anything serious [16:37:01] <ullio> lunaphyte_> well, tests show something different [16:37:35] <ullio> if i have 2 maps and the first produces a result, the second gets evaluated as if the first didnt result into anything usefull.. [16:38:03] * jelly ponders converting the mailboxes from system quota to maildir++-style quota... linux has too large blocks. [16:41:33] <vsd> i have 2 domains on the same box. domain1.com and domain2.com . i have user at domain1 dot com and user at domain2 dot com [16:42:09] <vsd> i need user at domain dot com to go to /var/spool/mail/user and user at domain2 dot com go to /var/sppol/mail/v_user [16:42:12] <vsd> how would i do that? [16:53:23] <vsd> anyone? [16:54:45] *** tornis has joined #postfix [16:55:04] *** denis_ has quit IRC [16:55:23] <tornis> exit [16:55:28] <lunaphyte_> salida! [16:55:36] *** tornis has left #postfix [16:55:50] *** neoeinstein has joined #postfix [16:55:58] <lunaphyte_> buenos dias, hefe grande! [17:05:55] <vsd> can i have an alias with the domain name included? [17:06:04] <vsd> my problem is that i'm handling more than one domain [17:06:08] <vsd> on the same box [17:10:49] *** m_p has quit IRC [17:12:34] *** Brownoxford has joined #postfix [17:13:26] *** Xcaliber009 has joined #postfix [17:14:05] <Brownoxford> Can anyone clarify the values in the 'delay=a/b/c/d' smtp log messages? Specifically, it appears to me that 'a' is an aggregate total value for all delivery attempts, while 'b', 'c', and 'd' are values representing that specific delivery attempt... Is this a correct assessment? [17:14:32] <ullio> lunaphyte_> no, i messed it up. for some reason my test smtp on loopback did not process therecipiet addresses the way the main smtpd is configured in the main.cf. dunno why, nut in fact, it works this way. brilliant. now i can manage global aliases in an extra table without the need to setup them for each and every domain (or messing with the /etc/aliases..) [17:14:37] <ullio> thanks [17:14:56] <ullio> nut is but [17:15:34] *** jeh has joined #postfix [17:16:55] <f3ew> Brownoxford, it's "delays before qmgr, in qmgr, setup connection, actual transmission time" [17:17:05] <f3ew> the delay= bit is total time [17:18:01] <vsd> hm [17:18:17] <vsd> with imap i get all mails from a new pc [17:18:22] <vsd> but with pop3 i don't [17:18:28] <vsd> why? [17:19:21] <shasta> consult your pop3/imap software documentation [17:19:35] <shasta> this is #postfix, support channel for Postfix MTA [17:20:02] <vsd> ok [17:22:16] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix [17:23:23] <Brownoxford> f3ew, Agreed, I knew that. What I'm getting at is that 'a' appears to be a running total, while 'b', 'c' and 'd' do not... I just want to make sure I'm not crazy :) [17:23:58] *** piti has quit IRC [17:25:59] <f3ew> a is not a total [17:26:38] *** jeh has quit IRC [17:35:48] <Brownoxford> f3ew: Okay, can you explain this then? I am probably just reading it wrong... http://pastebin.com/d4d9b1021 [17:37:31] <f3ew> delay=3774, delays=3772/0/2/0, it's been in the queue for 3774 seconds, of which 3772 was pre-queueing, 0 seconds in qmgr, 2 seconds have been spent in attempting a connection and 0 seconds in actually transmitting a message [17:37:41] *** pitakill has joined #postfix [17:41:03] <Brownoxford> Okay, maybe I should explain what I'm trying to do... I want to know how much time in total has been spent on a message, and what the breakdown is. In order to do this, I can sum all of the values of 'b' to find out how long the message was in the queue manager (similarly, I can sum 'c' and 'd'). I cannot, however, sum all values for 'a'. Instead, I must take the most recent value to know how long the message was 'pre-queueing'. Does tha [17:44:32] *** phnord has quit IRC [17:44:37] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC [17:46:45] *** madduck has left #postfix [18:00:00] *** daemoen has quit IRC [18:02:01] *** piti has joined #postfix [18:02:44] <f3ew> yes [18:02:52] <f3ew> Brownoxford, just see the delay= line [18:03:01] <f3ew> instead of the breakdowns [18:04:34] <Brownoxford> Yeah, my issue is that I want a per-domain value so summing over all entries was the easiest way. I'll have to look for the most recent smtp log message to get what I need... Thanks for the clarifications though. [18:05:43] *** githogori has quit IRC [18:13:02] *** havvg has quit IRC [18:15:10] *** af_ has joined #postfix [18:18:32] *** Spec[x] is now known as Spec [18:25:36] *** j_s has joined #postfix [18:36:48] *** brancaleone has quit IRC [18:41:52] <sysmonk> lol [18:42:07] <sysmonk> i've searched for my nickname in google (cause i've found some other guy using it) [18:42:26] <sysmonk> and were browsing the links, and the last link i found was ... www.postfix.org/SASl_README.html :) [18:43:01] <sysmonk> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&pwst=1&q=sysmonk&start=40&sa=N [18:43:33] <sysmonk> so, oficcialy, my google thinks i'm postfix-sasl-readme :P [18:51:42] *** Juspion has joined #postfix [18:51:44] *** syneus has quit IRC [18:57:14] <krondorl> I am trying to get TLS working on our postfix server and am having problems.. The error we are getting can be found at http://pastebin.com/d591f94b [18:58:55] <mwalling> !tls_readme [18:58:56] <knoba> mwalling: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix [18:58:59] <mwalling> :) [19:03:02] *** sophokles has quit IRC [19:03:41] *** havvg has joined #postfix [19:03:50] <krondorl> Ummm, ok, I have seen that before but it's way over my head.. [19:05:09] <krondorl> I have added to that pastebin the tls stuff from the main.cf. [19:05:40] <krondorl> Opps it created a new one.. http://pastebin.com/d30d939d3 [19:05:53] *** Aw0L has joined #postfix [19:07:04] <sysmonk> krondorl: most likely tlsmgr is disabled in master.cf [19:07:22] *** Bagualas has joined #postfix [19:09:03] <sysmonk> hm, or maybe not ;) but checking it won't hurt [19:09:33] <krondorl> this is the only tls I see in master.cf tlsmgr unix - - n 1000? 1 tlsmgr [19:10:10] *** smooth_penguin has joined #postfix [19:10:33] *** Nickste has joined #postfix [19:10:37] <Nickste> Hi all [19:11:43] <mwalling> sup [19:11:48] <sysmonk> krondorl: then it's there [19:12:01] <krondorl> Ok great! :) [19:12:05] <smooth_penguin> Hi, if I upgrade glibc from 2.2 to 2.3 or higher.. would it affect previously compiled postfix? [19:12:13] <Nickste> I'm getting the following error when trying to send an email to someone not listed under my virtual domains: 554 5.7.1 <user at extdomain dot com>: Relay access denied [19:12:21] <sysmonk> krondorl: stat /dev/urandom /var/spool/postfix/dev/urandom [19:12:24] <sysmonk> and pastebin the results [19:12:42] <mwalling> !debug [19:12:43] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ . [19:13:25] <krondorl> sysmonk: http://pastebin.com/d5266e647 [19:13:34] <mwalling> Nickste: postconf -n and logs [19:13:53] *** jpalmer has quit IRC [19:14:01] <Nickste> okies. [19:15:10] *** Egonis has joined #postfix [19:15:23] <krondorl> Egonis is a fool!! [19:16:10] <Egonis> When I try to connect via SMTP over SSL (Port 465) I get the error: 'warning: connect to private/tlsmgr: Connection refused' -- I did a google search to no avail in fixing the problem. Any ideas? I have never done SSL/TLS before and used various HOWTO's. Port 25 delivery works like butter. [19:16:25] * Egonis slaps krondorl with a trout [19:16:42] * krondorl slaps egonis back even harder!! [19:17:42] <sysmonk> krondorl: don't you have the same error ? [19:17:46] <sysmonk> o_o [19:18:13] <krondorl> The only problem with port 25 is that rogers will not allow outside smtp servers.. [19:18:19] <Egonis> sysmonk: we're sitting across from each other. lol [19:18:26] <sysmonk> ah [19:18:30] <sysmonk> so you want to hire a sysadmin? [19:18:30] <sysmonk> ;)) [19:18:40] <krondorl> sysmonk: Ya we work together.. he just got back from a service call and wasn't aware I was already here asking questions. [19:18:42] * Egonis IS the SysAdmin... somehow this is sad [19:19:25] <sysmonk> krondorl: just to be sure, could you change that random_source to /dev/urandom ? [19:19:31] <krondorl> we are trying to bypass rogers port 25 smtp blockade!! The Rebels will win!!! [19:19:44] *** af_ has quit IRC [19:20:08] <sysmonk> Egonis: then maybe you need another one ? :P [19:20:48] <Egonis> sysmonk: I tried /var/spool/postfix/dev/urandom (I created the inode), and also /dev/urandom. Here is the config line: tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom [19:21:01] <Nickste> mwalling: http://rafb.net/p/nhCHQS58.html & http://rafb.net/p/KvUoVz22.html [19:21:41] *** harobed has quit IRC [19:22:19] <sysmonk> Egonis: tlsmgr doesn't chroot by default, and if it did, i don't know why you'd want to have a prng out there and use that one ( it's still the same 'source' ... ) [19:22:28] <sysmonk> and using systems default path is better [19:22:36] <sysmonk> so change that /var/spool/postfix/dev/urandom to /dev/urandom [19:22:49] <sysmonk> and restart postfix ( NOT reload ) postfix [19:22:58] <Egonis> sysmonk: Will try that. [19:23:19] * krondorl is happy it's a testing server and not the live one!! [19:23:31] *** CrazyFoam_ has quit IRC [19:23:35] <sysmonk> krondorl: so where do you guys work at? [19:23:57] <Egonis> sysmonk: Auric Networks Canada [19:23:58] <krondorl> <smirk> the same place?? lol [19:24:38] <sysmonk> CRITICAL : Mail older than 5 minutes, [19:24:56] *** CrazyFoam_ has joined #postfix [19:25:05] <sysmonk> need to fix that nagios alert, somehow gets to critical to often [19:25:33] <sysmonk> Egonis: so, how much do you get for the job ? :) do you accept part-time remote admins? :P [19:27:04] <Egonis> sysmonk: New error: 'cannot load Certificate Authority data' [19:27:24] <Egonis> sysmonk: We get paid about as much as a fry cook at Wendy's [19:27:51] *** madrescher has quit IRC [19:28:07] <krondorl> Hey maybe you do but I get less!!! [19:28:09] <sysmonk> Egonis: anyway, that must be more than i get paid :) [19:28:19] <sysmonk> Egonis: you didn't answer the second question :P [19:28:40] *** carl- has joined #postfix [19:28:42] <sysmonk> Egonis: teh full messages please, not only the parts [19:28:55] <sysmonk> and use a pastebin [19:29:26] <krondorl> sysmonk: http://pastebin.com/d5d16ed0 [19:29:53] <Egonis> sysmonk: I suppose so, yes. We haven't used outside help for some time -- but that could always change from time to time [19:30:00] <sysmonk> krondorl: postconf -n && pastebin [19:30:02] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix [19:30:21] <sysmonk> Egonis: if ya'll search for any part-time job you know my nickname :P [19:30:28] <sysmonk> s/job/sysadmin/ [19:30:52] <Egonis> sysmonk: Of course, where are you from? [19:31:03] <sysmonk> Egonis: far far away ;) lithuania [19:31:08] <Nickste> I'm getting the following error when trying to send an email to someone not listed under my virtual domains: 554 5.7.1 <user at extdomain dot com>: Relay access denied. postconf -n: http://rafb.net/p/nhCHQS58.html mail.log: http://rafb.net/p/KvUoVz22.html [19:31:14] <Egonis> sysmonk: yep, can't get much further than that [19:31:20] <krondorl> http://pastebin.com/d7d6120d4 [19:31:48] <sysmonk> krondorl: is that a level one or level 3 cert? [19:32:28] <Egonis> sysmonk: I actually don't know. I created it as per instructions in the Gentoo Wiki for Postfix [19:32:43] <sysmonk> Egonis: er, you're using cacert.org or not? [19:32:51] <Egonis> sysmonk: no... self signed [19:33:01] <Egonis> sysmonk: I assume that would give you the answer [19:33:07] <sysmonk> ah, thought cacert.pem stands for cacert.org :) [19:33:10] <tonyyarusso> Say, I made a typo when I set up postfix, resulting in the mail domain name (stored in /etc/mailname) being wrong. What's the "proper" way to fix that? (I assume just editing that file isn't ideal) [19:33:41] <sysmonk> tonyyarusso: /etc/mailname doesn't belong to postfix [19:33:46] <sysmonk> tonyyarusso: it's your distro specific file [19:34:15] <tonyyarusso> sysmonk: oh, okay. Was setup in the process of installing postfix, but that's pretty automated, so not sure of the specifics. [19:34:19] <sysmonk> tonyyarusso: you could 1. change the myhostname in main.cf to whatever you want OR 2. fix /etc/mailname 'teh distro way' [19:34:59] <tonyyarusso> sysmonk: all right, thanks. Looking up what 'teh distro way' may be. [19:35:20] <sysmonk> Egonis: i pretty cannot debug more without access to those [19:35:37] <sysmonk> further it's openssl magic mostly :) [19:35:57] <Egonis> sysmonk: So is this an issue with our SSL Cert? [19:36:09] <sysmonk> Egonis: currently - yes [19:36:12] *** cpm has quit IRC [19:36:28] <Egonis> sysmonk: Okay, is there a howto that you know of which works with TLS sufficiently? [19:37:00] <sysmonk> Egonis: uh, nope, sorry, don't use howtos [19:37:23] <sysmonk> Egonis: if it's not a production server i could take a look [19:37:45] <sysmonk> (ofcorse, i'll leave you a few rootkits and a timebomb, don't worry ) [19:37:58] <Egonis> sysmonk: And goatse links all over the fscking place\ [19:38:11] <sysmonk> nah, only in /etc/motd [19:38:44] <Egonis> lol [19:39:18] *** tombar has joined #postfix [19:40:49] <sysmonk> Egonis: just try regenerating the certificates [19:41:27] <Egonis> sysmonk: We're going to msg u with access [19:43:19] <sysmonk> gentoo... [19:43:39] <sysmonk> oh my, a BEAST !!! Pentium III (Katmai) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [19:43:54] <Egonis> sysmonk: It certainly is. ;) [19:44:00] <jelly> sysmonk: hush, that was a nice machine in 1999. [19:44:04] <krondorl> and a freaking heavy one at that!! [19:44:12] <Egonis> sysmonk: IBM Netfinity 5000. About 3ft tall, and a black cube of cold death [19:44:17] *** githogori has joined #postfix [19:44:21] <sysmonk> jelly: sure it was :) [19:44:28] <sysmonk> Egonis: wanna see something ? [19:44:38] <sysmonk> Egonis: ls -la /etc/postfix/cacert.pem [19:44:40] <krondorl> He just walked away but sure!! [19:45:11] <jelly> sysmonk: we had acer beige box "servers" with those and were happy! [19:45:18] <krondorl> umm, ok what's that supposed to mean? [19:45:44] <sysmonk> krondorl: big file, isn't it? [19:45:52] *** smooth_penguin has quit IRC [19:45:52] <krondorl> Just noticed that.. [19:46:14] <sysmonk> jelly: yeah, i've had some "beasts" too [19:46:30] <sysmonk> jelly: still have freebsd 3.5 runing around on a "beast" [19:47:16] <jelly> sysmonk: I have... um... a Redhat 9 machine. [19:47:17] <krondorl> Egonis is regeing the certs [19:47:24] <sysmonk> mhm [19:47:37] <sysmonk> although you could just copy the cacert.pem and that's all [19:47:41] <jelly> sysmonk: you win. [19:47:45] <sysmonk> (don't know where your original is stored) [19:48:12] <sysmonk> jelly: yeah, i know, i always win in this battle :P [19:48:27] <sysmonk> that server doesn't do anything but idle, and we're proudly not shutting it off :P [19:48:45] <krondorl> I still have my 1st computer.. TI-99 4a!! And it's still in working condition!! [19:49:09] *** [diablo] has quit IRC [19:49:41] *** cpm has joined #postfix [19:50:12] *** vsd has left #postfix [19:50:14] *** Xcaliber009 has quit IRC [19:50:24] <sysmonk> my first one was p2 300 mhz, so it's not a beast like everybody else have ;( [19:50:35] <sysmonk> i've changed it only a few years ago [19:51:08] <sysmonk> have been working with it for ~6+ years [19:51:52] *** Nickste has quit IRC [19:53:39] <jeev> ahhhhhhhh [19:53:45] <jeev> sysmonk, you're still running on a p2 300mhz? [19:53:48] <jeev> i should donate to you [19:57:00] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk [20:01:32] *** aedaemoen has joined #postfix [20:01:36] <aedaemoen> hello all. [20:02:00] <aedaemoen> anyone here have experience with horde and postfix/postfixadmin with virtual domains? [20:07:56] *** denis_ has joined #postfix [20:15:31] <Egonis> aedaemoen: treat horde as a separate matter, I suggest using a HOWTO for postfixadmin/cyrus/postfix [20:16:29] <Egonis> aedaemoen: and then follow a horde howto, and it should work out of the box. [20:16:46] *** kjs has quit IRC [20:18:34] <aedaemoen> Egonis, ive already got the pfa and such working [20:18:48] <mwalling> !tutorial [20:18:49] <knoba> mwalling: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. [20:19:21] <aedaemoen> im just not sure how to work with horde, and looking at its setup, its quite complex when you use all of it :-D was just curious the diffculty others saw if they were able to get it working [20:25:20] *** quieteyes has quit IRC [20:25:37] *** quieteyes has joined #postfix [20:25:40] <Egonis> aedaemoen: It's all in the config files, follow a howto or go to #horde. [20:26:24] <Egonis> aedaemoen: And do your config checks, to make sure you have all of the right PEAR modules, I can't help you any further [20:26:43] *** pitakill has quit IRC [20:26:53] <sysmonk> aedaemoen: horde is a monster [20:27:04] <sysmonk> aedaemoen: there's everything, and there's horde [20:27:05] <sysmonk> ;) [20:27:24] * Egonis agrees [20:27:26] <sysmonk> it's quite hard to debug it [20:27:35] <sysmonk> that's the main reason i don't like it [20:27:46] <sysmonk> the second reason - whole framework, just for mail? naaaah ;P [20:27:52] <Egonis> aedaemoen: If you want basics (webmail, autoreply, etc.) use SquirrelMail. Your stress level will thank you [20:27:58] <sysmonk> if you're using horde - then use everything it has, not just for mail ;) [20:28:02] <sysmonk> ya [20:28:27] <sysmonk> Egonis: go blame openssl and reemerge it [20:28:34] <sysmonk> although i don't see any point in that, really [20:28:55] <Egonis> sysmonk: LOL. It's still emerging. I think I may have blown up some of the config files is all, so a re-emerge is my only logical next step to un-screw it up [20:29:20] <sysmonk> Egonis: a logical step would be to create a GOOD certificate [20:29:23] <sysmonk> yours suck [20:29:34] <sysmonk> use some other howto for it if the one you're reading doesn't work [20:29:36] <Egonis> sysmonk: :P Actually, krondorl made the first set of certificates.... [20:29:46] <sysmonk> Egonis: so his suck too ;P [20:29:58] <aedaemoen> i already have squirrelmail configured :) [20:29:58] <Egonis> lol [20:29:59] <sysmonk> maybe they didn't, but atleast somebody sucked at copying the cacert.pem ;P [20:30:15] <Egonis> aedaemoen: Then play with plugins and get it up to your standards [20:30:21] <aedaemoen> i like horde because of the groupware features, just havent taken the time to get it workng yet, before i dive into the unknown, figured id play. [20:30:33] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix [20:31:41] <sysmonk> Egonis: oh sure man, go edit CA.pl with nano... [20:31:48] <sysmonk> yeah, that's teh "right" way ... [20:32:50] <sysmonk> and after that you blame postfix and openssl ;P [20:39:08] *** action09 has joined #postfix [20:40:36] <aedaemoen> holy cow, paul l has written alot of useful plugins :-D [20:44:16] *** quieteye1 has joined #postfix [20:44:16] *** quieteyes has quit IRC [20:51:25] *** devdas has joined #postfix [20:52:42] *** idle-boy` is now known as meshan-2eeh [20:55:29] *** joe_rx has joined #postfix [21:01:23] *** Arsenick- has quit IRC [21:05:32] *** xuxa_ has joined #postfix [21:06:25] *** Egonis has quit IRC [21:12:56] *** Mavvie has quit IRC [21:16:09] *** krondorl has quit IRC [21:16:24] *** quieteyes has joined #postfix [21:16:30] *** xuxa has quit IRC [21:17:22] *** Mavvie has joined #postfix [21:18:51] *** quieteye2 has joined #postfix [21:19:04] *** quieteye1 has quit IRC [21:19:31] *** quieteye2 has quit IRC [21:19:37] *** quieteyes has quit IRC [21:19:49] *** quieteyes has joined #postfix [21:20:11] <sysmonk> quieteyes: a bit to much of you here, don't you think so ? [21:20:37] <sysmonk> ah already onlny one :P [21:21:25] <Dominian> There is no spoon. [21:22:03] <Fallenou> ns1.pcfruit.com, here we are, a new spam victim soon :) [21:22:19] <Fallenou> i bet many spamers come here to get their hot spot :p [21:22:31] *** Zarathu has joined #postfix [21:22:42] <sysmonk> heh yeah [21:22:50] <sysmonk> btw there'es preatty much log bots out here.. [21:23:15] <Fallenou> hi there log bots :) [21:23:32] <Fallenou> btw how are you sysmonk ? if you remember me :p [21:23:33] <Zarathu> Hey. I'm running an OpenBSD 4.3 system with postfix right now, but my /var/www is chroot'd and it's not sending mail (PHP mail()). It works when in a non-chroot'd terminal, but through the browser (or chroot'd terminal), it fails. Here's the error: sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody [21:23:43] <sysmonk> yeah, alert('Hi there log bots!'); [21:23:44] <sysmonk> ;P [21:23:48] <Fallenou> lol ! [21:24:09] <sysmonk> Fallenou: i remember the nick.... ;) [21:24:31] <Fallenou> we had a little chat after you saved my life with my postfix+courier+spamassassin+* stuff :p [21:24:41] <sysmonk> really ? [21:24:44] <Fallenou> yea [21:24:46] <sysmonk> can't find you in the logs ;/ [21:25:01] <sysmonk> did you use some kind of other nickname? [21:25:12] <Fallenou> nop i always use this one [21:25:12] <devdas> Zarathu: perhaps you need /etc/passwd in the chroot? [21:25:19] <sysmonk> doh, can't be [21:25:20] <Zarathu> devdas: Tried. Nothing. [21:25:23] <sysmonk> Fallenou: did we chat in PM ? [21:25:26] <sysmonk> or in the chan? [21:25:28] <adaptr> Zarathu: openbsd 4.3 ? you should be banned from the interwebtubes! [21:25:37] <Zarathu> adaptr: ? [21:25:51] <adaptr> oh, wait, *Open*BSD [21:25:54] <adaptr> never mind :D [21:26:14] *** Juspion has quit IRC [21:26:41] <Fallenou> sysmonk it's been several months since we last speak [21:26:51] <Fallenou> but yes it was here :p [21:26:52] <sysmonk> Fallenou: but we didn't speak in PM, right? [21:27:01] <Fallenou> no i don't think so [21:27:42] <sysmonk> > grep -i fallenou .irssi/logs/FreeNode/2008/*/*/#postfix.log | wc -l 644 [21:27:44] <Fallenou> i'm engineed school french student [21:27:45] <sysmonk> ah, not much to review :P [21:27:52] <Fallenou> engineer* [21:27:54] <sysmonk> only 644 lines :) [21:27:54] <Fallenou> yes ^^" [21:28:23] <Zarathu> Nobody has anything for me? [21:28:27] <adaptr> I'm a systems engine! [21:28:30] <Zarathu> Fallenou: ha tu parles francais alors ? [21:28:32] <sysmonk> heh .irssi/logs/FreeNode/2008/02/08/#postfix.log:2008-02-08 01:39:43 < Fallenou> god bless french engineering schools \o/ [21:28:41] <Fallenou> Zarathu < De temps en temps :) [21:28:45] <sysmonk> that was ~4 months ago [21:28:48] <Zarathu> Fallenou: ;p quelle partie de france ? [21:28:54] <Fallenou> Banlieue parisienne [21:29:01] <Zarathu> ho, d'accord [21:29:10] <Fallenou> but i think people over there won't like us speaking french :p [21:29:18] [21:29:28] <Zarathu> Yes, well, I'd like my problem to get solved. [21:29:32] <sysmonk> Fallenou: sure, i don't mind if you don't mind me speaking lithuanian ;P [21:29:42] <shasta> or me polish (-8 [21:29:51] <sysmonk> shasta: you're polish? [21:29:53] <Fallenou> sysmonk haha ok let's speak english :p [21:29:59] <adaptr> fuck no, he's faking it [21:29:59] <Zarathu> ... [21:30:00] <sysmonk> ah, yes, you're polish :) [21:30:05] <Zarathu> Nobody? [21:30:12] <Fallenou> or let's activate UTF8 and scim , i can show you my japanese skillz :) [21:30:23] <shasta> at least I think so ;) [21:30:28] <sysmonk> Zarathu: getent passwd nobody in chroot [21:30:38] <sysmonk> shasta: yeah, whois'ed you [21:30:56] <sysmonk> shasta: /me can speak polish :P [21:31:00] <Fallenou> at least he uses polish proxy :p [21:31:08] * shasta cannot speak lithuanian ;) [21:31:25] <Zarathu> sysmonk: Yeah, that returned nothing. [21:31:35] <Zarathu> And still: sendmail: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody [21:31:36] <sysmonk> Zarathu: so there's no nobody in your chroot, add it [21:31:48] <sysmonk> Zarathu: because there's no nobody in your chroot [21:31:53] <sysmonk> where 'nobody' is a username [21:31:58] <sysmonk> and not a english word :) [21:32:15] <sysmonk> shasta: that's not a problem, come over to lithuania and i'll teach you :P [21:32:26] *** joe_rx has quit IRC [21:33:09] <Fallenou> "there's no nobody" that's funny :p [21:33:37] <devdas> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/26/1239225 [21:35:20] <sysmonk> devdas: yeah, that's the part i don't like about students [21:35:41] <sysmonk> in my class only 3 guys (including me) do everything by themself [21:35:51] <sysmonk> everybody else 'outsource' everything [21:38:24] <Zarathu> sysmonk: Yeah, still nothing. [21:38:36] <Zarathu> But then again: [21:38:36] <Zarathu> bash-3.2# useradd -g nobody -d /home/ nobody [21:38:36] <Zarathu> useradd: pw_mkdb failed: No such file or directory [21:38:37] *** krondorl has joined #postfix [21:38:52] <krondorl> <sigh> [21:39:02] <sysmonk> Zarathu: you're missing pw_mkdb, it's a utility which converts your passwd/master.passwd to a database format [21:39:15] *** suuuper has quit IRC [21:39:20] <sysmonk> as in /etc/pwd.db and /etc/swpd.db [21:39:25] <Zarathu> I can try -m [21:39:32] <Zarathu> Okay. [21:39:35] <Zarathu> Where do I get it? [21:39:41] <sysmonk> sorry, i'm not familiar with openbsd [21:39:45] *** quieteyes has quit IRC [21:39:51] <sysmonk> try asking around in #openbsd maybe ? [21:40:13] <sysmonk> creating chroots is a difficult task if you don't know what you're doing [21:40:40] <Fallenou> you may finish in jail if you mistype , beware ;) [21:41:09] <sysmonk> m? [21:41:36] <Fallenou> chroot, jail, (free)bsd ... :p [21:42:03] <sysmonk> heh, yeah, /me freebsd user, not openbsd :) [21:42:31] <Fallenou> linux user for me, but i know some dudes like you :p [21:42:44] <sysmonk> openbsd had a shitty jail-like implementation but was droped [21:42:50] <sysmonk> that was a third party one afaik [21:43:07] <sysmonk> it used systrace, which is buggy by design [21:43:15] <Zarathu> Yeah, I'm starting to realize how much of a fucking piece of shit this OS is. [21:43:21] <Zarathu> Everything is an extremely difficult headache. [21:43:27] <Fallenou> ok ): [21:43:32] <sysmonk> Zarathu: don't use it if you don't know it [21:43:36] <sysmonk> unless you want to learn it [21:43:44] <sysmonk> and if you wan't to learn it - learn it on your own [21:43:48] <Fallenou> i got one friend who is NetBSD very big fan but i never tried this out [21:43:55] <Zarathu> I already learned it pretty well, it's just that everything is a nightmare. [21:44:01] <sysmonk> Fallenou: ah, he's a toaster-guy ? :P [21:44:04] <Fallenou> lol ! [21:44:26] <Fallenou> don't know, maybe some washing machine guy :p [21:44:33] <sysmonk> heh [21:44:40] <sysmonk> talking about it, i need food. afk [21:44:45] <Fallenou> k =) [21:45:15] *** CrazyFoam_ has quit IRC [21:45:37] <Fallenou> he's netbsd dev, and he keeps saying it's a clean ,free , and documented system unlike others [21:45:54] *** Zarathu has left #postfix [21:46:00] <Fallenou> maybe the documentation is a big point [21:54:11] *** bast1aan has joined #postfix [21:54:13] <bast1aan> hi [21:54:43] <bast1aan> someone here knows how I can change the used HELO name in postfix, when it delivers to the world als final_destination ? [21:55:04] <sysmonk> what? [21:55:05] <bast1aan> now it's using a non-existing internal hostname [21:55:13] <rob0> !myhostname [21:55:14] <knoba> rob0: "myhostname" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet hostname of this mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters. [21:55:17] <rob0> !basic [21:55:17] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here. [21:55:24] <rob0> !smtp_helo_name [21:55:25] <knoba> rob0: "smtp_helo_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The hostname to send in the SMTP EHLO or HELO command. [21:55:29] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix [21:55:40] <bast1aan> great [21:55:44] <bast1aan> thanks a lot [21:55:54] <rob0> myhostname is used unless smtp_helo_name is set, the latter is not needed [21:56:08] <sysmonk> rob0: atleast you understood his question ;P [21:56:13] <krondorl> postfixadmin is suppoed to automatically create the mail directories right? [21:56:15] <cpm> myrob0 is useless [21:56:21] <sysmonk> i thought he's talking about smtpd_banner [21:56:34] <sysmonk> krondorl: wrong ? [21:56:37] <bast1aan> its used in smtpd_banner indead [21:56:45] <bast1aan> but I only want to change the helo name [21:56:57] <krondorl> crap.. how do they get created? [21:57:01] <sysmonk> krondorl: afaik, postfixadmin doesn't run as root and doesn't have access to any postfix directories, but postfix does create directories on delivery ( but not all ) [21:57:01] <bast1aan> so remote clients don't reject me [21:57:12] <bast1aan> *indeed [21:57:18] <sysmonk> bast1aan: then read rob0 answer [21:57:22] <krondorl> it's not for some reason.. [21:57:42] <sysmonk> krondorl: postfix doesn't create directories if a directory is missing before that [21:57:53] <sysmonk> i.e. if it's /a/b/c/d postfix will create d [21:58:06] <sysmonk> but if c doesn't exist it won't create c (and, won't create d ) [21:58:12] <devdas> doesn't it? [21:58:17] *** cpm has quit IRC [21:58:18] <krondorl> I have a b and c as far as I know. [21:58:26] <sysmonk> devdas: hm, does it ? [21:58:32] <sysmonk> then my knowledge is a bit outdated [21:58:54] <devdas> ISTR it does as long as it can write t b with the user's permissions [21:59:07] <devdas> hence the whole "virtual" user thing [22:00:04] <sysmonk> devdas: i didn't use virtual for a long time so maybe you're right [22:00:45] *** simmerz has joined #postfix [22:00:53] *** simmerz has left #postfix [22:05:23] <sysmonk> krondorl: so you really think you don't need a sysadmin ? :P [22:05:32] * sysmonk sees krondorl typing /ignore sysmonk already [22:05:33] <sysmonk> ;P [22:05:39] <krondorl> ;) [22:05:59] <krondorl> who knows.. [22:06:32] <sysmonk> where's your friend? why are you working alone? :P [22:07:07] <krondorl> time for me to leave now.. I'll be back tomorrow.. (He's left for a service call.. and gone for the day..) The mailbox is also causing an issue.. [22:07:54] <sysmonk> you're getting issues for a whole day [22:07:59] *** Zelest has quit IRC [22:09:52] <krondorl> I'm the one that originally setup this postfix / pfadmin / amavis / sqlgrey on this server.. I am still new to unix. It was a great learning curve for me, but maybe something is totally messed up that is causing all the other problems also.. See you tomorrow, I really need to leave.. [22:10:38] <sysmonk> sure, i'm not stopping you :) [22:10:44] *** krondorl has quit IRC [22:13:04] *** allan has quit IRC [22:19:19] *** piti has quit IRC [22:24:59] *** pirho has joined #postfix [22:26:50] *** rootsvr has quit IRC [22:26:59] *** githogori has quit IRC [22:27:43] <dusty_> Hey guys I need to implement the following: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html im confused how to create a btree file and the hash db file that are included in the fix in that link ? [22:29:57] *** githogori has joined #postfix [22:31:57] *** xuxa_ is now known as xuxa [22:32:34] <Aw0L> so...if my rcpt to: doesn't return an "ok"...that means what? [22:37:36] <sysmonk> that means that it has to return something else [22:37:49] <sysmonk> and in smtp "ok" doesn't mean anything [22:37:54] <sysmonk> there are codes, smtp codes ;) [22:38:11] *** jpalmer has joined #postfix [22:38:14] <Aw0L> from telnet, "mail to:" returns an "ok" [22:38:18] <Aw0L> rcpt to: should do the same now? [22:38:23] *** mltdwn has joined #postfix [22:38:27] <Aw0L> I'm unable to finish an email [22:38:32] <sysmonk> Aw0L: oh it just says you 'ok' without anything else? [22:38:36] <sysmonk> no NUMBERS around ? :) [22:38:53] *** devdas has left #postfix [22:39:14] <Aw0L> sorry [22:40:31] <Aw0L> after rcpt to: there's nothing [22:40:35] <Aw0L> no confirmation of any kind [22:41:06] <sysmonk> with _that_ much of the info we can't tell a sh*t [22:41:10] <sysmonk> pastebin the whole session [22:43:14] *** jimi_ has joined #postfix [22:43:33] <jimi_> Is there a program that someone can recommend that runs along side postfix, so that I can monitor incoming/outgoing messages? [22:44:57] <Aw0L> aside from using tail? [22:45:21] <sysmonk> jimi_: the queue mostly runs out quickly enough not to see it :) [22:45:35] <jimi_> :( [22:45:39] *** Draecos has joined #postfix [22:45:40] <sysmonk> jimi_: but you could look at qshape ? [22:45:50] <sysmonk> (part of postfix) [22:45:54] <sysmonk> !qshape [22:45:55] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "qshape" is not a valid command. [22:46:05] <jimi_> What about a tool that would allow me to flag messages containing "foo" [22:46:49] <jimi_> Or, If I have an alias , and I email it, is there a way to not receive a copy of the message, if I am also in the alias? [22:47:04] <sysmonk> !learn qshape as qshape(1) - The qshape program helps the administrator understand the Postfix queue message distribution in time and by sender domain or recipient domain. [22:47:07] <sysmonk> !qshape [22:47:07] <knoba> sysmonk: "qshape" : qshape(1) - The qshape program helps the administrator understand the Postfix queue message distribution in time and by sender domain or recipient domain. [22:47:33] <mltdwn> I am useing postfix and dovecot....When i send a email useing mutt it sends fine.....when i try to use outlook or thunderbird it connects to the smtp server but hangs and times out.....if i telnet to the server/port i get the banner for the smtp server just fine [22:47:37] <mltdwn> any ideas [22:48:10] <sysmonk> jimi_: not that i know of except writing custom restriction classes and stuff like that which would really suck [22:48:39] <jimi_> Hmm, how about a way to setup a multiple always-bcc? [22:48:42] <sysmonk> mltdwn: do you telnet from the same machine runing outlook/thunderbird? [22:48:55] <mltdwn> yes [22:49:02] <mltdwn> wait no [22:49:14] <sysmonk> jimi_: always_bcc to 1 address, which is an alias to multiple addresses [22:49:15] <mltdwn> i do it from a term on the server [22:49:27] <jimi_> ah, good idea [22:49:34] <sysmonk> mltdwn: then try it from the machine runing outlook, not from term [22:49:41] *** xuxa_ has joined #postfix [22:49:58] <mltdwn> am trying now and it is timeing out [22:50:10] <mltdwn> yep timed out [22:50:33] <sysmonk> then look at your firewall, or maybe your isp blocks it [22:50:45] <sysmonk> if you can connect from inside, then it's not postfix's problem [22:51:09] <mltdwn> have T1 for server there is no firewall right now...maybe windows firewall [22:54:24] <sysmonk> mltdwn: it can be your _home_ ISP [22:54:26] <sysmonk> not servers isp [22:54:49] *** carl- has quit IRC [22:55:31] <mltdwn> i c [22:55:37] *** jimi_ has quit IRC [22:57:12] *** jellis-real has quit IRC [23:00:50] *** xuxa has quit IRC [23:01:49] *** xuxa_ is now known as xuxa [23:02:24] <aedaemoen> sysmonk, you familiar with the select_range plugin? [23:02:42] <sysmonk> aedaemoen: are you familiar with irc? [23:03:49] <aedaemoen> youre missing an I lol [23:04:30] <aedaemoen> you and Egonis were the ones suggesting to use plugins to customize sqm :-D figured one of you two might be familiar with them, lol [23:04:48] *** idle-boy` has joined #postfix [23:05:40] *** mltdwn_ has joined #postfix [23:05:52] <sysmonk> aedaemoen: i didn't suggest squirrelmail at all [23:06:02] <sysmonk> i've only said my opinion about horde [23:06:08] <sysmonk> i didn't even mention squirrel :) [23:07:03] <sysmonk> and, if you've got questions about squirrelmail, please ask on #squirrelmail or what channel it is about it [23:07:05] <aedaemoen> sorry, was Eginos that said it. [23:07:46] *** olliu has joined #postfix [23:08:06] *** olliu has quit IRC [23:08:18] <sysmonk> yes [23:10:05] <mltdwn_> how do i change the port from 25 to something else [23:10:28] <mwalling> a) what port. b) why? [23:10:38] <sysmonk> mltdwn: er, maybe you don't want to change it, just enable some other port additionally [23:10:44] <sysmonk> i.e. i think you're interested in submission [23:10:51] <mltdwn_> smtp prot is 25 and I want it to use something else [23:11:01] <mwalling> noone will talk to you then [23:11:08] <sysmonk> mltdwn: don't disable 25 [23:11:21] <sysmonk> mltdwn: you want to be able to send mail through your server right? [23:11:21] <mltdwn_> no adding a port to it sounds better [23:11:25] <sysmonk> mltdwn: then just enable submission [23:11:34] <mltdwn_> how do i do that [23:11:38] <sysmonk> mltdwn: edit master.cf and uncomment submission [23:11:41] <sysmonk> and restart postfix [23:11:52] <mltdwn_> ok will try [23:12:32] <dusty_> Can anyone see any issues with: http://rafb.net/p/oEmDU499.html I cannot seem to recieve mail whilst subscribed to security focus.com mailing list. Its because of sender address verification, now I thought i implemented it correcttly however im still not reciving mail on the list, any ideas? [23:13:30] <mwalling> !logs [23:13:31] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. [23:16:09] *** mltdwn has quit IRC [23:16:51] <dusty_> mwalling, are you asking me to check the logs? [23:17:11] <mwalling> no, i'm asking you to stand on your head and lick your elbow [23:17:48] <mltdwn_> sysmonk : no luck it is still trying to use port 25 and I thing comcast blocks that port [23:17:53] <dusty_> I have checked my logs, I see the mail comming into the server and getting deliver. I then reply to that mail and it gets sent and delivered. [23:18:03] <dusty_> Yet I don't recieve anything else. [23:18:08] <dusty_> There is nothing in the logs.. [23:18:53] <mwalling> dusty_: you're saying that when you are subscribed to a mailing list, you get no email at all? [23:19:12] <mwalling> mltdwn_: *What* is trying to use port 25? [23:19:19] <dusty_> no [23:19:30] <mwalling> I cannot seem to recieve mail whilst subscribed to security focus.com mailing list. [23:19:36] <mwalling> Thats what you said [23:19:42] <mltdwn_> smtp ( dovecot) [23:19:43] <dusty_> I go on the site, submit subscription request, i then get an email saying reply with a special string, so i do that, then i get nothing [23:19:47] <dusty_> yes [23:19:52] <dusty_> i am subscribed [23:19:54] *** hever has joined #postfix [23:19:56] <dusty_> yet i dont get the list mails [23:20:05] <mwalling> dusty_: how is this a postfix problem? [23:20:13] <mwalling> mltdwn_: dovecot doesnt speak smtp [23:20:22] <mwalling> mltdwn_: are you sending mails out or trying to recieve mail? [23:20:25] <dusty_> because postfix provides smtop [23:20:30] <mltdwn_> sending [23:20:34] <mwalling> !relayhost [23:20:35] <knoba> mwalling: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. [23:20:57] *** denis_ has quit IRC [23:21:09] <mwalling> dusty_: and? if you have no logs of mail comming in, then no mail is comming in. its not a postfix issue if you are subscribed to a dead mailing list. [23:22:14] <mltdwn_> when i try to send an email useing outlook it connecta and hangs.....but i can send mail useing mutt and if i telnet to the smtp server from my comcast connection it does nothing but if i telnet to localhost 25 from the server it connecta and i get the banner [23:22:35] <sysmonk> mltdwn_: then set OUTLOOK to use 587 ( submission ) [23:22:36] <sysmonk> and not 25 [23:23:38] *** meshan-2eeh has quit IRC [23:25:04] <dusty_> mwalling, its because of sender address verification [23:25:05] <dusty_> jesus [23:25:17] <dusty_> i asked that in my original question [23:25:52] *** Bagualas has quit IRC [23:26:28] <mwalling> dusty_: well, you wont provide logs to support your statements. [23:26:33] <mwalling> dusty_: what do you expect? [23:26:48] <mwalling> dusty_: show us a log of SAV failing, and i will believe you. [23:29:25] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC [23:30:13] <dusty_> you dont know what your talking about [23:30:18] <dusty_> forget it [23:30:43] <sysmonk> dusty_: you don't want to supply any info, and you want us to help you.. [23:31:50] <dusty_> ok [23:31:53] <dusty_> I dont have logs [23:32:00] <dusty_> there are no errors [23:32:07] <mwalling> THEN THERE IS NO PROBLEM [23:32:08] <dusty_> a mail comes in, i reply to it, and get no response back [23:32:12] <dusty_> i test it from hotmail [23:32:16] <dusty_> and i get mails back [23:32:17] <sysmonk> ohhh [23:32:18] <sysmonk> HOTMAIL [23:32:19] <dusty_> there is a problem [23:32:21] <dusty_> ffs [23:32:24] <mwalling> 17:32 < dusty_> there are no errors [23:32:28] <dusty_> fuck it [23:32:33] <sysmonk> ... [23:32:33] *** Draecos has quit IRC [23:32:35] <dusty_> i dont know why i asked her [23:32:36] <dusty_> e [23:32:50] <sysmonk> dusty_: maybe nobody responds to it? [23:33:02] <dusty_> its a fucking mailing list u dumb cunt [23:33:10] *** dusty_ has left #postfix [23:33:14] <mwalling> you wont explain the problem. you wont provide supporting evidance. you expect answers [23:33:17] <sysmonk> stondes-hacker... [23:33:30] <sysmonk> stoned-hacker ... [23:33:50] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix [23:34:06] <mwalling> mwalling@you ~$ host stoned-hacker.co.uk [23:34:06] <mwalling> stoned-hacker.co.uk has address 38.106.105.139 [23:34:06] <mwalling> stoned-hacker.co.uk mail is handled by 10 mail.stoned-hacker.co.uk. [23:34:06] <mwalling> mwalling@you ~$ host mail.stoned-hacker.co.uk. [23:34:06] <mwalling> mail.stoned-hacker.co.uk has address 38.106.105.139 [23:35:04] <mwalling> MAIL FROM: <postmaster at you dot dontlike.us> [23:35:04] <mwalling> 250 2.1.0 Ok [23:35:04] <mwalling> RCPT TO: <postmaster at stoned-hacker dot co.uk> [23:35:05] <mwalling> 550 5.1.1 <postmaster at stoned-hacker dot co.uk>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table [23:35:11] <mwalling> pebcak [23:35:25] <shasta> rfc-ignorant! :) [23:35:41] *** pulsar has quit IRC [23:35:54] <sysmonk> mwalling: because he has his own RFC, and in it - postmaster was changed to dumbcunt [23:36:02] <sysmonk> so you have to mail dumbcunt at stoned-hacker dot co.uk [23:36:44] *** pulsar has joined #postfix [23:38:48] *** olliu has joined #postfix [23:39:56] <mwalling> Jun 26 21:34:52 you postfix/smtpd[17191]: connect from stoned-hacker.co.uk[38.106.105.139] [23:39:59] <mwalling> Jun 26 21:34:52 you postfix/smtpd[17191]: 75C27229C5: client=stoned-hacker.co.uk[38.106.105.139] [23:40:03] <mwalling> Jun 26 21:34:52 you postfix/smtpd[17191]: disconnect from stoned-hacker.co.uk[38.106.105.139] [23:40:07] <mwalling> HA [23:40:12] <mwalling> he is the one doing SAV? [23:40:26] <sysmonk> yes [23:40:27] <olliu> hi, i know this is not thunderbird support but i guess im missing something very obvious. u use postfix/dovecot with imap support. when new mail comes in it is somehow moved from ./new to ./cur in the root folder of that user. i cant see any mails in thunderbird. am i indeed missing something obvious? [23:41:04] *** cruxeternus has quit IRC [23:41:17] <shasta> olliu, mails are moved from new to cur right away when you fetch them with your client [23:41:17] <neoeinstein> What is this sender address verification? [23:41:52] <sysmonk> neoeinstein: your postfix tries to send an email to the sender, and if it goes through RCPT TO stage - it accept an email [23:42:15] <mwalling> sounds stupid to me [23:42:15] <neoeinstein> Ok [23:42:28] <sysmonk> mwalling: what? [23:42:33] * mwalling shrugs [23:42:42] <mwalling> i dont do much predata filtering anyway [23:42:54] <sysmonk> it's a nice feature, but i don't use it [23:43:04] <sysmonk> i'm afraid of too much false-positives [23:43:07] <sysmonk> as in false :) [23:43:09] <mwalling> aye [23:43:32] *** Brownoxford has quit IRC [23:44:01] <mwalling> i'm more in the "accept it, mark it as spam, file it for the users, expunge it after a while" club [23:45:30] *** tombar_ has joined #postfix [23:46:41] <olliu> hmm. indeed, that was the old mail i saw in that folder, but where did the new one go.. i can see "Message accepted for delivery" as the last lifesign of that message... instead of "Delivered to maildir" [23:46:58] <olliu> any idea what might be the problem? [23:47:04] <shasta> maybe it's still in queue [23:48:14] <sysmonk> mwalling: same club here [23:48:56] <olliu> mailque is empty [23:49:36] *** pulsar has quit IRC [23:52:58] <olliu> .. i guess its a dspam problem [23:53:32] <olliu> but i thought the delivery is identical for both pop3 and imap users. all new stuff gets into new/ .. or? [23:54:17] <mwalling> the delivery depends on the storage type... maildir, mbox, what ever thing djb contrived today, etc [23:54:33] <mwalling> postfix and deliver write to that, imapd and pop3d read from it [23:54:46] <mwalling> (well, write too, but meh) [23:55:09] *** pulsar has joined #postfix [23:57:54] *** mltdwn_ has quit IRC