[00:00:29] <adaptr> and you are sending mail locally fro that machine, so is that a desktop or a server ?
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[00:01:07] <mjf> adaptr: desktop
[00:01:11] <rob0> DSN support came in Postfix 2.3.
[00:01:26] <mjf> rob0: yes, I know, that's why it started to happen :)
[00:01:50] <rob0> So what is the issue?
[00:01:55] <adaptr> mjf: and you are running postfrix on a desktop... why, exactly ?
[00:02:05] <adaptr> POSTFRIX ! it gets better every time
[00:02:19] <mjf> adaptr: because sometimes I need to experiment with something on it...
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[00:02:57] <fie_wrk> Does anyone know of a postfix book that really explains how mail works?
[00:02:58] <adaptr> then this probably counts as a lesson
[00:03:04] <adaptr> !book
[00:03:04] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "book" is not a valid command.
[00:03:09] <adaptr> shitface!
[00:03:26] <adaptr> fie_wrk: The Book of Postfix is pretty much it
[00:03:38] <mjf> adaptr: yeah, but that's not important I think - the "why", but how to get rid of the dsns? Why the http://linuxnet.ca/postfix/docs/DSN_README.html does not work for me?
[00:03:44] <adaptr> but why should an MTA tell you how *mail* works ? presumably, you already know how it *works*
[00:03:57] <fie_wrk> adaptr, And that explains how mail is trasnfered from server to server including DNS lookups and things like SPF records?
[00:04:03] <adaptr> mjf: you receiving a valuable lesson is not important ?
[00:04:14] <rob0> fie_wrk: I would start at wikipedia if I were you.
[00:04:15] <adaptr> fie_wrk: it explains how to configure postfix
[00:04:24] <adaptr> for fairly obvious reasons
[00:04:31] <fie_wrk> rob0, yeah?
[00:04:58] <rob0> and then refer to RFCs if you want to know more, and then just set up a test server / domain to play with.
[00:05:15] <adaptr> words to use: SMTP, IMAP, RFC2822, TLS, SPF (your favourite)
[00:05:48] <adaptr> and, of course, DNS - but that's a whole nother topic
[00:05:58] <rob0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPF
[00:06:00] <fie_wrk> adaptr, It is indeed.
[00:06:06] <fie_wrk> Thanks
[00:06:20] <rob0> Singapore Police Force
[00:06:41] <fie_wrk> Sender Policy Framework, but yeah, that too.
[00:06:44] <rob0> Hmmm, that other SPF came from Singapore too.
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[00:07:27] <mjf> spf? I do not want to use spf at all in this case, it is my workstation and I just use postfix instead of nullmailer I used before because sometimes I just need to test something with it... and this my workstation is NATed (and also IPv6 enabled, it depends on actual situation on network ;)
[00:07:37] <rob0> And it's a half-baked idea, needs some more sun protection factor.
[00:07:45] <adaptr> mjf: we know.. not talking to you in this case
[00:07:51] <mjf> aha ;)
[00:07:52] <mjf> sorry
[00:08:06] <mjf> I wonder why you suggest me spf, made no sense to me :)
[00:08:20] <rob0> And Sender Policy Framework can often be a Single Point of Failure.
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[00:09:30] <mjf> adaptr: ok, well, why the DNS_README does not work, do I have it wrong configured? I know for relayed messages the DNS is "SHOULD" thing, according to RFCs, but I must get rid of it because it abuses my collegues who read our collective company email address as well..
[00:09:38] <mjf> s/DNS/DSN/
[00:10:17] <mjf> Personally, I like the DNSs with my personal e-mail addresses, that's ok. :)
[00:10:32] <adaptr> mjf: sorry, it's late and you're starting to unravel
[00:12:09] <mjf> adaptr: OK, last question, what should I read to understand how to get rid of the DSNs completely? What do you suggest me to find out concerning Postfix on this topic?
[00:12:12] <mjf> adaptr: Thanks.
[00:12:49] <adaptr> mjf: set up an isolated test situation that you and only you control, including proper DNS
[00:13:07] <adaptr> then try out scenarios, and refer to the RFCs
[00:13:17] <adaptr> if you discover a bug in postfix, please report it
[00:13:30] <mjf> adaptr: DNS? The workstation has IPv6 AAAA and PTR set OK
[00:13:34] <adaptr> if you are unable to achieve what you want, consider that it is not a feature, but simply not possible
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[00:14:18] <mjf> adaptr: to be honest, the workstation is both on IPv6 and IPv4, I switch betweem them freely as I need...
[00:14:27] <adaptr> not relevant
[00:14:33] <mjf> adaptr: uff, ok
[00:14:34] <adaptr> read what I wrote, digest it
[00:15:01] <adaptr> if you really need to, execute it, but don't pretend you understand what I say and then bitch on about "this desktop"
[00:15:07] <adaptr> learn the meaning of ISOLATE
[00:15:59] <rob0> ISOLATE gettin' up in de mornin' dat I dint make it to supper!
[00:16:10] <mjf> adaptr: well, hm, it sounds like weeks of discovering... hm, and I though it will be easy to setup... OK, thank you. I already knew that but I hoped somebody here will know. :)
[00:16:18] <mjf> thanks all who contributed to discussion
[00:16:22] <mjf> good night
[00:16:24] <mjf> good bye
[00:16:34] <rob0> What about those of us who detracted from the discussion?
[00:16:47] <mjf> ok, good night all :)
[00:16:51] <rob0> :)
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[00:17:30] <adaptr> mjoseph: if you don't have enough esxperience with MTAs to stumble on DSNs and why they occur, then weeks is a rather low estimate
[00:17:33] <adaptr> damn!
[00:17:37] <adaptr> quitters
[00:17:46] <adaptr> I hate em , I hates em AALL
[00:18:00] <rob0> YOUSOLATE replyin'
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[00:19:29] <adaptr> WEMALLSOLATE
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[00:40:09] <Ergo^> hello, i almost dont have any experience at linux administration, but im having problems with sending emails to various isp-s , here is some info that might help: http://www.isp-control.net/forum/mais-are-rjected-as-spam-t-3608.html
[00:40:27] <Ergo^> i get something like : Helo command rejected: Host not found
[00:40:48] <adaptr> it is not kidding
[00:41:05] <adaptr> why are you tyroubleshooting a system you don't even know how to administrate ?
[00:41:17] <adaptr> sounds like a recipe for.. more troubleshooting
[00:41:51] <Ergo^> adaptr: well it was set up for me, its using open souce control panel, maybe something wasnt configured fine, it sends emails to gmail for example...
[00:42:04] <adaptr> yes, cuntrol panels SUCK
[00:42:40] <Ergo^> maybe, but im kinda counting on some help
[00:43:20] <adaptr> good luck! I mean it.. we don;t particularly enjoy cleaning up others' control panel messes
[00:43:29] <Ergo^> i cant ping server.webreactor.eu, but webreactor.eu IS working, is it a postfix problem, a dns problem ? im not sure who/ what do i need to look at exactly
[00:43:59] <mwalling> a consultant
[00:44:04] <mwalling> get your checkbook out
[00:44:31] <Ergo^> great...
[00:45:05] <Ergo^> so no hints, etc ? kind of sad to see this is only support i got here :]
[00:45:11] <Ergo^> well have a nice day then
[00:46:01] <adaptr> you act surprised - what do YOU say when your boss asks you to do your work for free tomorrow ?
[00:46:17] <adaptr> it never ceases to amaze me...
[00:47:10] <Ergo^> adaptr: yeah im surprised, we give support on a daily basis, for free, thats what # for open source projects are hosted here, so yes im amazed too... by the attitude and friendliness here
[00:47:26] <mwalling> its give and take
[00:47:36] <mwalling> what are you going to give back to us if we help you
[00:48:08] <Ergo^> i give support for advanced php solutions and database optimizations
[00:48:14] <adaptr> Ergo^: so you live on air and steal your daily food from the supermarket ? or do they donate the food to you ?
[00:48:19] <Ergo^> mwalling: and what did you give to postfix project ?
[00:48:26] <mwalling> i help users
[00:48:27] <Ergo^> adaptr: same question ;-)
[00:48:43] <Ergo^> so im a lesser type of user then ? ;-)
[00:48:45] <rob0> Host server.webreactor.eu. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[00:48:50] <adaptr> no, you need correct your ass-umptions, first
[00:48:50] <mwalling> not the lack of the consonent "l" in my spelling of user
[00:49:22] <adaptr> you DO NOT help people "for free" - if you persist in it you are LYING
[00:49:28] <rob0> webreactor.eu.          43200   IN      A       205.134.253.25
[00:49:41] <Ergo^> rob0: i suspected that i need to fix my bind config ?
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[00:50:11] <rob0> I couldn't answer that.
[00:50:34] <rob0> anyway, I gtg, bbl
[00:50:38] <adaptr> me2
[00:50:38] <Ergo^> thanks
[00:50:41] <mwalling> ditto
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[00:54:53] <Nickste> I am now having the following problem: if I use /etc/init.d/postfix start/restart the postfix program starts up OK, but postfix status says that it isn't running. Any ideas?
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[01:00:22] <luquee> log ?
[01:02:25] <Nickste> mail.log?
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[01:12:49] <mwalling> Nickste: where ever postfix is logging
[01:12:50] <mwalling> !logs
[01:12:51] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
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[01:18:38] <Nickste> this is what I get from logs: postfix/master[2974]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 14: bad transport type: smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
[01:18:53] <mwalling> !smtpd_sasl_auth_enable
[01:18:54] <knoba> mwalling: "smtpd_sasl_auth_enable" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Enable SASL authentication in the Postfix SMTP server. By default, the Postfix SMTP server does not use authentication.
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[01:19:28] <Nickste> bad transport type?
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[01:20:30] <aedaemoen> ey guys, is it possible to use a different cert for each domain if using virtual domains?
[01:24:04] <mwalling> Nickste: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[01:24:16] <Nickste> thanks mwalling
[01:24:20] <mwalling> Nickste: read, absorb, fix, ask, rejoice
[01:24:24] <mwalling> in that order :)
[01:24:28] <Nickste> hehehe, ok will do
[01:25:05] <mwalling> also, use a non-retarded client for testing... it eliminates the variable of lookOut being a steaming pile of bits in your troubles
[01:25:24] <Nickste> recomendations?
[01:25:33] <mwalling> tbird will do
[01:26:27] <Nickste> great :)
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[01:37:21] <mwalling> Nickste: how you making out?
[01:39:55] * aedaemoen sits and gets comfortable
[01:44:28] <mjoseph> adaptr: heh
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[01:56:23] <aedaemoen> mjoseph, hrm?
[02:01:17] <mjoseph> a misdirected message from a few hours ago
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[02:09:57] <aedaemoen> ahh
[02:10:03] <aedaemoen> figured it was a mistype, hehe
[02:18:31] <rob0> aedaemoen, a different one per IP address, yes; per logical domain name, no.
[02:18:44] <aedaemoen> rob0, drat.
[02:19:34] <rob0> IIUC that's the only way to do it in apache as well.
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[03:21:53] <hever> Hi can I test a transport map with postmap also? And must I "compile" a transport map with postmap if I'm using regular ecpressions and not hashes ?
[03:22:27] <mwalling> does anyone have a mailbox... flooding... script that hammers the hell out of a maildir?
[03:22:31] <mwalling> i'm trying to reproduce http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/6/23/230
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[03:43:33] <internat85> so in postfix. whats the equivlent of sslcabundle, for specifying the path to verify a cert?
[03:43:55] <mwalling> mmm cake
[03:44:03] <internat85> indeed
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[05:03:02] <Haris> Hello folks, people, everyuone, all
[05:03:04] <Haris> What is the usual hourly rate for people that manage mail servers in Europe?
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[05:09:44] <gitguy> hi, i have postfix installed in ec2 (amazon ec2) and when i send e-mail to gmail i receive fine... but when i send it to hotmail i don't receive it
[05:09:51] <gitguy> anyone knows what could be causing this?
[05:10:00] <gitguy> and how to fix it
[05:10:25] <Haris> Someone from Europe is offering me a rate. I want to make sure I'm not getting ripped off
[05:10:39] <Verilium> If you look in your postfix logs, do you see if it got sent successfully, at least?
[05:11:13] <Verilium> Haris:  If you ever get the info, I'd be curious in knowing. :)
[05:16:30] <gitguy> Jun 23 17:51:40 Etch postfix/smtp[13483]: 4C17411CD5A: to=<diegoev at msn dot com>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.54.245.8]:25, delay=0.46, delays=0.02/0.01/0.35/0.08, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx1.hotmail.com[65.54.245.8] said: 550 DY-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy reasons. We generally do not accept email from dynamic IP's as they are not typically used to deliver unauthenticated SMTP e-mail to an Internet mail server. http://ww
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[05:22:20] <Evill> Haris: Someone here could answer your rate question, but they would probably charge $100/hour to do that.
[05:22:31] <Evill> ;)
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[05:32:51] <gitguy> anyone knows how can i fix this issue?
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[05:33:21] <rob0> !fcrdns
[05:33:22] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[05:33:27] <rob0> !relayhost
[05:33:27] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[05:33:37] <xpoint> !vrfy
[05:33:38] <knoba> xpoint: Error: "vrfy" is not a valid command.
[05:34:32] <xpoint> any one know good alternatives to verify in postfix ?
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[05:34:45] <gitguy> was that for me?
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[05:36:03] <xuxa> All of my email messages are being deferred.  /var/log/mail.log has messages like: "delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1: connection refused"
[05:36:37] <xuxa> the end of mail.warn tells me:
[05:36:39] <xuxa> Jun 24 20:34:35 nichou postfix/qmgr[24734]: warning: connect to transport retry: No such file or directory
[05:36:46] <xpoint> start your amavisd xuxa ?
[05:36:54] <xuxa> ah
[05:36:56] * xuxa thinks
[05:37:00] <xuxa> how do I do that?
[05:37:19] <xuxa> perhaps /etc/init.d/amavis restart
[05:37:21] * xuxa tries
[05:38:06] <xuxa> xpoint: well, that made a lot of good output to the log file
[05:38:12] <xuxa> should I try "postfix reload" now?
[05:38:20] <xpoint> no
[05:38:27] <xuxa> okay
[05:39:01] <xpoint> postfix will retry self, but in a hurry you can make a postsuper -r ALL, and postfix reload
[05:39:09] <xuxa> I see
[05:39:18] <xuxa> I'll give it a few minutes I guess
[05:39:28] <xuxa> I wonder what I did to stop amavis (it in fact wasn't running)
[05:39:58] <xpoint> yes its last in first out queue runner
[05:40:04] <xuxa> I see
[05:40:33] <xpoint> test: sendmail -bv root
[05:40:41] <xpoint> did it work ? :-)
[05:41:10] <xuxa> it seems to be processing messages but I haven't received any of the 628 deferred messages yet
[05:41:13] <xpoint> if that one works postfix will solve all the rest
[05:41:13] <xuxa> trying the test
[05:41:34] <xuxa> haha.. I don't have the sendmail command
[05:41:49] <xpoint> reinstall postfix then !
[05:42:05] <xuxa> ?!
[05:42:17] <xuxa> just a sec
[05:42:27] <rob0> "postfix flush" runs the queue
[05:42:31] <xpoint> its part of postfix to provide a sendmail elf
[05:42:45] <rob0> and it's not in a typical user's $PATH
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[05:43:23] <xuxa> xpoint: sorry, something was weird with that terminal.  I ssh-ed into the box from another terminal, ran the sendmail command, and it worked
[05:43:52] <xpoint> yes i know my unix :-)
[05:44:17] <xuxa> hehe
[05:44:22] <xpoint> see logs if amavis works with that root email
[05:44:26] <xuxa> xpoint: thank you for all this help, by the way
[05:44:31] <xuxa> checking now
[05:46:01] <xuxa> hrm... looks like amavis is not running correctly
[05:46:03] <xuxa> Jun 24 20:40:21 nichou amavis[24781]: (24781-02-4) (!)PRESERVING EVIDENCE in /var/lib/amavis/tmp/amavis-20080624T204021-24781
[05:46:06] <xuxa> Jun 24 20:40:21 nichou amavis[24781]: (24781-02-5) (!!)TROUBLE in process_request: Can't create file /var/lib/amavis/tmp/amavis-20080624T204021-24781/email.txt: File exists at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 4793, <GEN29> line 238.
[05:46:10] <xuxa> Jun 24 20:40:22 nichou amavis[24781]: (24781-02-5) (!)Requesting process rundown after fatal error
[05:46:14] <xuxa> that's from /var/log/mail.warn
[05:46:40] <xuxa> I suppose I should disable amavis for now...
[05:46:49] <xuxa> is it as simple as commenting out the line in mail.cf?
[05:46:50] <xpoint> is amavis running in a zombie ?
[05:46:55] <xuxa> hrm...
[05:46:57] <xuxa> I don't know
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[05:47:16] <xuxa> xpoint: how do I determine that?
[05:47:21] <xpoint> rc says it runs but real amavis does not work
[05:47:40] <xpoint> rc amavisd stop
[05:47:47] <xuxa> xpoint: good news though... the mails are starting to come in now
[05:47:48] <xpoint> killall amavisd
[05:47:59] <xpoint> ps aux | grep amavis
[05:48:09] <xpoint> is amavis shown ?
[05:48:29] <xuxa> http://pastebin.com/d7f8c618b
[05:48:31] <xuxa> xpoint: yes
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[05:48:53] <xpoint> then it runs, but the error is a bogus error in queue
[05:48:59] <xuxa> boy, I set this up so long ago, I've forgotten how amavis works
[05:49:02] <xuxa> xpoint: I see
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[05:49:34] <xuxa> xpoint: I think I'm back in business.  The problem was that amavis had died
[05:50:31] <xpoint> now you can sleep bad and think why it died
[05:50:41] <xuxa> exactly!
[05:50:43] <xuxa> :)
[05:50:55] <xuxa> xpoint: thank you so much for your help!
[05:51:04] <xuxa> where are you, by the way?  I'm in Los Angeles CA
[05:51:23] <xpoint> out of ram, out of disk space, hot temps, to much mails at once...
[05:51:45] <xuxa> hehe
[05:52:17] <xpoint> can be unstable perl modules
[05:52:47] <xpoint> perl is in it self stable, and newer seqfaults
[05:53:00] <xuxa> I see
[05:53:24] <xuxa> although being a newbie at all this, it's fairly safe to assume that *I* am the problem.
[05:53:30] <xpoint> without perl there was to much spam :)
[05:53:38] <xuxa> :)
[05:54:14] <xpoint> no, you asked, then you are the solution
[05:54:55] <xpoint> and there is not bad questions, only bad answers
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[05:55:33] <xuxa> xpoint: you're very kind
[05:55:56] <xpoint> thanks
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[05:57:54] <_RainMkr_> I'm having a permissions problem when the first message to a new account.
[05:58:26] <_RainMkr_> postfix/virtual[31844]: warning: maildir access problem for UID/GID=5082/55010: create maildir file // /data/mail/virtual/cobekengineernig.com/rbruce/tmp/1214361168.P31844.pequod: Permission denied
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[05:59:23] <xpoint> is that dir owned by postfix ?
[06:00:08] <xpoint> provide postconf -n as in topic
[06:00:51] <_RainMkr_> drwxr-x--- 2 5082 55010 6 2008-06-24 17:41 rbruce/
[06:00:59] <_RainMkr_> and collecting the other data now.
[06:01:37] <xpoint> why is uid gid nummeric ?
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[06:02:13] <xpoint> olso need to see the master.cf with the lda entry
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[06:02:33] <xpoint> if its not postfix
[06:02:57] <xpoint> it says virtual so i assume its is
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[06:05:17] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: it is virtual served out MySQL. the numeric values are there because I don't add the virtual users to /etc/(passwd|group)
[06:06:54] <xpoint> this can be  a issue then with postfix if namebased users and groups are used, but you can map it still in virtual
[06:07:44] <xpoint> and postfix most not own the maildirs
[06:08:02] <_RainMkr_> it does not.
[06:08:24] <xpoint> just to be sure its not that error :-)
[06:09:15] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: http://pastebin.com/d150ba989
[06:10:02] <_RainMkr_> I'm not real postfix savvy ( learning fast though. :) so I'm not sure what you mean by lda from the master.cf file.
[06:11:03] <xpoint> postmap -q foo mysql:/etc/postfix/mysqlmaps/uid_map.cf
[06:11:27] <xpoint> does match 5082 ?
[06:12:05] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: what am I supposed to get from that?
[06:12:16] <xpoint> 5082
[06:12:56] <_RainMkr_> I get nothing.
[06:13:11] <xpoint> thare we go :-)
[06:13:27] <xpoint> it should
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[06:14:18] <_RainMkr_> what is "foo" in that command?
[06:14:24] <xpoint> check mysql password in the maps is ok
[06:14:48] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: I can deliver email to existing users
[06:14:49] <xpoint> foo is a example users full email
[06:15:12] <_RainMkr_> oh, ok.
[06:15:17] <_RainMkr_> that does return 5082
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[06:15:29] <xpoint> uid maps should still give a nummeric answer
[06:15:34] <_RainMkr_> ( I entered a literal "foo" )
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[06:17:02] <_RainMkr_> root@pequod:/var/log# postmap -q rbruce at cobekengineering dot com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysqlmaps/uid_map.cf
[06:17:02] <_RainMkr_> 5082
[06:17:12] <_RainMkr_> isn't that what we where looking for?
[06:17:13] <xpoint> he it works
[06:17:26] <xpoint> yes this is ok
[06:17:37] <_RainMkr_> sure... it was postmap -q foo mysql:/etc/postfix/mysqlmaps/uid_map.cf that didn't work.
[06:17:43] <xpoint> so next map check
[06:18:10] <xpoint> it worked, postfix gives empty results for not found
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[06:19:00] <_RainMkr_> Ok, so all is good there?
[06:19:13] <xpoint> yes with that map
[06:19:34] <xpoint> test gid olso
[06:20:18] <_RainMkr_> returns 55010 for the email address in question and nothing for "foo"
[06:21:23] <rpminihan> quick question about the myhostname parameter.  My MX is mail.treestar.com.  The ip for mail is the same as the hostname illinois.treestar.com.  The mail servers real hostname is illinois.
[06:21:27] <xpoint> disable_vrfy_command = yes < that will get your users spam probes back if remote try vrfy
[06:21:29] <rpminihan> What should myhostname be?
[06:22:14] <xpoint> rpminihan, localhost if unsure
[06:22:15] <xpoint> :-)
[06:23:00] <xpoint> more serius, it best to be the reverse dns name you use there
[06:23:19] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: so I should change disable_vrfy_command to "no"?
[06:23:25] <rpminihan> Ok.  So does postfix care what the name of the MX is?
[06:24:01] <xpoint> _RainMkr_, yes, that way vrfy have a chance to vrfy without bothering your users
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[06:24:51] <xpoint> postfix will try vrfy first, if that fails is send a probe email
[06:25:09] <xpoint> to see if user exists in rcpt stage
[06:27:16] <_RainMkr_> Ok, done.
[06:28:02] <xpoint> _RainMkr_, thats what happen with : sendmail -bv root
[06:29:54] <xpoint> _RainMkr_, if mysql maps is correct with uid and gid, then its filesystem that does for some reason not match the mysql tables
[06:30:08] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: Ok, though I'm not sure how this helps address the permissions issues
[06:30:13] <xpoint> and thus gives permission denied
[06:31:09] <xpoint> it was olso unrelated, but this is common mistake with vrfy
[06:32:59] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: http://pastebin.com/d755c97d
[06:33:11] <xpoint> but you tested ok with 5082, but is parent dir writeble ?
[06:33:55] <_RainMkr_> drwxr-x--- 3 postfix 55010 19 2008-06-24 17:41 cobekengineering.com/
[06:34:34] <xpoint> postfix :/
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[06:35:08] <xpoint> it must not be postfix owned !
[06:35:48] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: Ok, then owned by whom?
[06:36:18] <xpoint> now you ask me why you got nummeric uid ;:)
[06:36:40] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: I know full well I have numeric uids.
[06:36:53] <xpoint> this it he problem
[06:37:19] <xpoint> id postfix
[06:37:22] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: I have six other domains with 50 aught users amongst them that work fine.
[06:37:43] <xpoint> gives a nummeric id, this id must not being used in virtual
[06:37:45] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: The issue is now when creating a new domain and user within that domain it doesn't work.
[06:38:19] <_RainMkr_> root@pequod:/data/mail/virtual# id postfix
[06:38:19] <_RainMkr_> uid=105(postfix) gid=114(postfix) groups=114(postfix)
[06:39:02] <xpoint> and parent dir must not being owned by postfix
[06:39:23] <xpoint> subdirs will have this as parent
[06:39:37] <_RainMkr_> Ok, I'm not arguing that point. I'm asking who it should be owned by.
[06:39:58] <xpoint> make a name into passwd
[06:39:59] <_RainMkr_> subdirs will have whomever I set the uid/gid to when I create the directory.
[06:40:37] <xpoint> yes
[06:40:45] <_RainMkr_> which I have done.
[06:41:39] <xpoint> i dont know how to test :/
[06:41:56] <_RainMkr_> drwxr-x--- 2 5082 55010 6 2008-06-24 17:41 rbruce/
[06:42:04] <_RainMkr_> I think that is pretty clear, no?
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[06:43:23] <xpoint> problem is that i dont know your setup fully and thus not know what to fix
[06:43:47] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: Ok, that I can understand.
[06:44:06] <xpoint> i just belive that your problem is related to missing names in group and passwd
[06:44:24] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: No, that would never be an issue.
[06:44:44] <_RainMkr_> those mappings are merely to make things more human readable.
[06:45:07] <_RainMkr_> *NIX at the core doesn't care if the mapping exists or not as it never uses them expect at display time.
[06:45:10] <xpoint> i use static:1000 for uid and gid here with dovecot
[06:45:46] <xpoint> all email boxes here is same user just diff path
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[06:47:32] <xpoint> well i will sleep now, let me know later how you solved it, i can laern more in it i hope
[06:48:06] <_RainMkr_> xpoint: will do.
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[07:05:09] <xuxa> xpoint: I was able to get everything up and working!  Thanks again!
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[08:11:57] <Verilium> gitguy:  This thread my help..  http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/message.jspa?messageID=66557
[08:12:52] <gitguy> Verilium: thanks :)
[08:13:15] <gitguy> postfix rules
[08:24:29] <Verilium> heh
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[09:39:52] <bjartis> What filesystems do you run postfix on?
[09:41:24] <sysmonk> ufs2 ;)
[09:41:58] <robtone_> ufs
[09:42:07] <sysmonk> robtone_: ouch
[09:42:20] <sysmonk> robtone_: what os?
[09:42:27] <robtone_> freebsd 6.1
[09:42:27] <bjartis> Hmm never heard of.  After a quick google search that's for *BSD then?
[09:42:36] <sysmonk> robtone_: freebsd 6.1 has ufs
[09:42:42] <sysmonk> freebsd >= 5.0 has ufs2
[09:42:50] <bjartis> What about filesystems for linux..
[09:42:51] <sysmonk> 4.11 and lower has ufs
[09:42:55] <robtone_> sysmonk, I just used the output of mount ;-)
[09:43:15] * robtone_ gets "eyes-in-love" when he reads "4.11"
[09:44:10] <sysmonk> robtone_: i still have 3.5 runing around ...
[09:44:10] <robtone_> hmm... I am not certain whether I upgraded from 4.11 to 5.x to 6.1 without changing the fs
[09:44:20] <sysmonk> robtone_: you had to
[09:44:33] <sysmonk> 6.1 doesn't work on ufs(1)
[09:44:39] <robtone_> then it should be ufs2, however, mount should say so ;-)
[09:45:10] <robtone_> and fstab says also usf
[09:46:42] <robtone_> hm, how can one tell?
[09:46:57] <robtone_> (newfs in 6.1 still supports ufs1)
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[09:52:05] <sysmonk> robtone_: dumpfs / | grep -i ufs
[09:52:25] <robtone_> sysmonk, yep, found http://www.atm.tut.fi/list-archive/freebsd-stable-2005/msg07716.html
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[09:52:42] <sysmonk> almost the same :)
[09:52:59] <sysmonk> s/grep -i ufs/head -1/
[09:52:59] <sysmonk> ;)
[09:53:14] * robtone_ did use less because he is nosey
[09:53:19] <sysmonk> heh :)
[09:53:35] <sysmonk> bjartis run away from our BSD talks :)
[09:54:00] <sysmonk> btw, i've got two books today from one guy i helped here: absolute freebsd 2nd edition and the book of pf
[09:54:47] <f3ew> cool
[09:54:49] <robtone_> happy reading
[09:55:53] <sysmonk> yeah
[09:55:54] <sysmonk> yummy :)
[09:57:25] * sysmonk builds up his own collection of books
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[09:58:30] <onik> i want to use saslauthd with pam support. My saslauthd -a gives me below message.. saslauthd 2.1.22
[09:58:30] <onik> authentication mechanisms: getpwent kerberos5 rimap shadow
[09:58:36] <onik> can anyone help?
[09:58:44] <sysmonk> onik: saslauthd isn't a part of postfix
[09:58:49] <sysmonk> it's part of cyrus, afair
[09:59:08] <onik> i am trying to build postfix with smtp auth
[09:59:33] <sysmonk> sure, but saslauthd still isn't a part of postfix :)
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[10:03:01] <jeev> sup onik
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[11:22:26] <dadark> Hey folks
[11:23:01] <dadark> I'd like to copy & redirect all incoming and outgoing mails of one account and redirect them to another.. How could that be possible?
[11:23:10] <dadark> It's a vmail configuration
[11:23:45] <sysmonk> dadark: recipient_bcc_maps && sender_bcc_maps
[11:23:59] <dadark> Cool, will check them out. Thanks
[11:24:00] <sysmonk> !recipient_bcc_maps
[11:24:01] <knoba> sysmonk: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[11:24:02] <sysmonk> !sender_bcc_maps
[11:24:03] <knoba> sysmonk: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[11:24:39] <sysmonk> dadark: and please note that THAT is illegal, unless the user knows about it
[11:24:49] <sysmonk> that's spying :)
[11:24:57] <dadark> It's no other user so no spying ;)
[11:25:03] <dadark> Just another account of our company
[11:30:20] <dadark> sysmonk: Is there any help in the bot that explains how that hashfile should look like? ;)
[11:31:23] <padde> how about just use an alias?
[11:32:17] <dadark> I think source at foo dot bar dest at foo dot bar is fine as a hash file format ;)
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[11:37:21] <sysmonk> dadark: as any other postfix hashfile
[11:37:24] <sysmonk> left side and right side :)
[11:38:03] <sysmonk> padde: you can't use aliases for outgoing mails
[11:39:24] <f3ew> uh?
[11:39:45] <sysmonk> f3ew: uh?
[11:40:22] <padde> oh.. outgoing
[11:40:39] <f3ew> why not?
[11:41:08] <sysmonk> f3ew: um, for a mail copy ?
[11:41:10] <padde> i guess because you would need an alias for every possible address then? ;)
[11:41:43] <padde> you could pipe outgoing mail through another postfix, where it would be incoming then ;)
[11:42:12] <padde> the second postfix could be called 'bigbrother.domain'
[11:42:16] <sysmonk> f3ew: how'd you offer to implement sender_bcc_maps in aliases ?
[11:42:35] <sysmonk> s/in aliases/as aliases/
[11:42:50] <dadark> sysmonk: Hum, for some reason doesn't seem to work
[11:43:01] <dadark> Neither incoming, nor outgoing mails are forwarded
[11:43:04] <f3ew> sysmonk, you can use an alias for outgoing mail
[11:43:26] <sysmonk> f3ew: i.e. ?
[11:43:52] <sysmonk> dadark: did you postmap the file? did you reload postfix?
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[11:45:05] <sysmonk> f3ew: we're misunderstanding each other, or i'm missing some part of my brain ;)
[11:46:12] <sysmonk> or i need more coffee :P
[11:46:25] <dadark> sysmonk: Called postmap with no options on the file, yup
[11:46:28] <dadark> Was that correct?
[11:46:41] <sysmonk> dadark: should be :)
[11:46:44] <vlt> Hello. How can I set (certain) mails that are in the queue "on hold"? I want to test if a new "relay_host" is working and avoid the mails being bounced. Any idea?
[11:46:46] <dadark> And yes, I reloaded postfix
[11:47:02] <dadark> sysmonk: So what is postmap supposed to do? The file is still in plain text format
[11:47:04] <sysmonk> dadark: postconf -n && pastebin it
[11:47:12] <sysmonk> dadark: it should create file.db
[11:47:23] <dadark> Oh yeah, it did
[11:47:31] <dadark> And do I have to point my configuration to the .db file=
[11:47:32] <dadark> ?
[11:49:01] <sysmonk> no
[11:49:08] <sysmonk> dadark: postconf -n please, and pastebin it
[11:49:20] <dadark> sysmonk: http://pastie.org/221750
[11:50:01] <sysmonk> dadark: pastebin the recipient_bcc_maps
[11:50:08] <sysmonk> err, recipient_bcc file
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[11:50:52] <dadark> Nothing special in there, only one line: foo at bar dot com bla at bar dot com
[11:51:08] <dadark> With the corresponding addresses of course ;)
[11:51:12] <dadark> Some host, though
[11:51:18] <dadark> Both on that server
[11:51:19] <sysmonk> and you're sending to foo at bar dot com ?
[11:52:00] <dadark> Yup
[11:52:11] <dadark> And want it to be forwarded to bla at bar dot com
[11:52:27] <sysmonk> dadark: just to be sure, try to _stop_ postfix, and then start it
[11:52:38] <sysmonk> and try emailing again
[11:52:40] <dadark> Okay
[11:52:43] <dadark> One thing before that
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[11:52:48] <dadark> In my mail.log I find:
[11:52:49] <dadark> Jun 25 12:08:41 localhost postfix/postdrop[32333]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/662567.32333: Permission denied
[11:52:57] <dadark> Where's that maildrop directory?
[11:53:04] <dadark> And what would be the appropriate permissions?
[11:53:13] <sysmonk> o_O
[11:53:17] <Rowellen> hello again
[11:53:21] <sysmonk> dadark: /var/spool/postfix/maildrop
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[11:53:44] <sysmonk> dadark: where you emailaing using console?
[11:53:50] <sysmonk> i.e. echo 'bla' | mail foo at bar dot com ?
[11:54:06] <dadark> Nope, was using SMTP
[11:54:55] <sysmonk> dadark: i'd offer you to fix the permissions too, might cause trouble, but it still should work
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[11:55:18] <sysmonk> postfix set-permissions
[11:55:36] <dadark> odamoz:/etc/postfix# ls -lh /var/spool/postfix/ | grep maildrop
[11:55:36] <dadark> drwxrwx---  2 postfix postdrop 4,0K 2008-06-22 05:47 maildrop
[11:55:44] <dadark> Oh, okay
[11:56:06] <dadark> odamoz:/etc/postfix# postfix set-permissions
[11:56:06] <dadark> chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/postfix/dict_cdb.so': No such file or directory
[11:56:12] <dadark> Is that a severe problem? ;)
[11:56:19] <dadark> Or just one file failing to chmod?
[11:56:23] <dadark> *chown
[11:56:44] <sysmonk> uh, a fucked up system :)
[11:56:53] <sysmonk> that's a library responsible for cdb table lookups
[11:57:04] <sysmonk> you don't use that... atleast i think so :)
[11:57:29] <dadark> Okay ;)
[11:57:33] <dadark> Well, it's Debian
[11:57:39] <dadark> So pretty fucked up I guess, yup
[11:57:41] <sysmonk> yeah, i saw it
[11:57:43] <dadark> odamoz:/etc/postfix# ls -lh /var/spool/postfix/ | grep maildrop
[11:57:43] <dadark> drwx-wx---  2 postfix postdrop 4,0K 2008-06-22 05:47 maildrop
[11:58:03] <dadark> But I'm still getting those weird error messages
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[11:58:51] <dadark> Restarted.. Same problem
[11:59:08] <sysmonk> but does the bcc maps work?
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[11:59:17] <sysmonk> btw pastebin the logs ( tail -100 /var/log/maillog )
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[12:01:20] <dadark> There is only maildrop stuff in the log ;)
[12:01:32] <dadark> I'm getting like 5 of those messages every few seconds
[12:02:32] <dadark> No luck with bcc stuff either
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[12:04:51] <sysmonk> i'd try to fix the maildrop problem first
[12:06:55] <dadark> Yup
[12:07:03] <dadark> That's what I'm trying to do
[12:07:13] <dadark> Now I removed maildrop and restarted postgres
[12:07:24] <dadark> It recreated it but I'm still getting the error
[12:07:38] <sysmonk> what?
[12:07:44] <sysmonk> removed maildrop? restarted postgres?
[12:07:58] <sysmonk> what does postgres have to do with it ? :)
[12:09:18] <dadark> postfix, sorry ;)
[12:09:28] <sysmonk> anyway, pastebin the logs anyway
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[12:11:15] <dadark> Okay, I have now stopped postfix, killed all running postdrop processes, removed maildrop dir and started postfix again
[12:11:27] <dadark> And I'm not getting errors any longer
[12:11:37] <dadark> No luck with bcc, though
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[12:15:48] <Rowellen> anyone speak french? if so what does this mean: postfix/smtp[2186]: warning: connect #8 to subsystem private/scache: No such file or directory
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[12:18:03] <sysmonk> dadark: now try to send a email and pastebin the log file ( tail -100 will be enough)
[12:18:22] <dadark> Via POP?
[12:18:31] <dadark> And from which account?
[12:18:35] <sysmonk> o_O
[12:18:40] <sysmonk> pop is for receiving email, not sending
[12:18:45] <dadark> Ahm, sorry
[12:18:46] <dadark> SMTP
[12:18:46] <sysmonk> you can try to send an email from gmail i.e.
[12:18:50] <dadark> I need some coffee
[12:18:51] <sysmonk> or, if you want, i can send it to you
[12:18:56] <sysmonk> just give me the addie
[12:19:12] <dadark> I will send an email from another address. Just a sec
[12:21:09] <dadark> http://pastie.org/221756
[12:21:20] <dadark> That's all that is related to that particular mail
[12:21:35] <dadark> I'm watching the log anyway
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[12:22:10] <dadark>  Note: automatic BCC recipients are produced only for new mail. To avoid mailer loops, automatic BCC recipients are not generated for mail that Postfix forwards internally, nor for mail that Postfix generates itself.
[12:22:16] <dadark> I found that in the logs
[12:22:23] <dadark> *docs
[12:22:43] <sysmonk> and? you're matching those criteria?
[12:22:50] <dadark> Maybe it doesn't work because the forwarding to a virtual account is seen "internal"
[12:22:51] <dadark> ?
[12:23:15] <dadark> dunno
[12:24:38] <sysmonk> just to be sure, could you grep 202739A49B5 in the logs and pastebin?
[12:24:51] <dadark> Sure
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[12:24:52] <Ergo^> hello, im trying to set my box and domain to have email handled by google, now i wanted to test how it works, so i updated mx records as google advised, removed all the mailboxes i had on the box with control panel, now restarted postfix and bind, and when i tried sending email with webmail from other domain i have to the domain that i want google to handle i got 550 5.1.1 <info at webreactor dot eu>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual
[12:25:07] <rob0> "Localhost" (such a charming and unique hostname ;) ) delivered to a virtual(8) mailbox called "xxx.xxx at xxx dot eu", which perhaps is not in your recipient_bcc_maps. (The munging is a problem here.)
[12:25:18] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[12:25:19] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
[12:25:33] <dadark> sysmonk: Nope, there's no more than what I posted already
[12:25:47] <sysmonk> dadark: look what rob0 told about localhost
[12:26:57] <dadark> rob0: I can't see an unknown virtual error there and the mail address in the logs was "censored" by myself
[12:27:57] <dadark> The machine's hostname is not localhost btw
[12:28:28] <sysmonk> dadark: then why it's saying localhost? :)
[12:28:42] <dadark> dunno, "hostname" says "odamoz"
[12:30:24] <rob0> The hostname isn't an issue. The issue is that your censored/munged address is not in your recipient_bcc_maps.
[12:31:44] <rob0> BTW you're not the only person here. If you're going to ask questions you should be reading the whole channel, and you might have seen who the unknown_virtual factoid was for.
[12:31:44] * cpm censors/munges rob0
[12:31:55] <dadark> But the real address is, rob0
[12:32:14] <rob0> The issue is that your censored/munged address is not in your recipient_bcc_maps.
[12:32:32] <rob0> the one that the message was TO
[12:32:33] <dadark> rob0: Sorry, missed knoba's message
[12:33:02] <dadark> rob0: But it is
[12:33:21] <sysmonk> dadark: could you please pastebin your master.cf ?
[12:33:27] <dadark> Sure
[12:34:12] <dadark> http://pastie.org/221760
[12:35:39] <sysmonk> ghm
[12:35:49] <sysmonk> and what does postconf receive_override_options return ?
[12:36:01] <Ergo^> rob0 i read that unknown virtual hint, but files aliases/domains/mailboxes have "do not edit by hand" text, should i run some command to fix my issue ?
[12:37:06] <dadark> odamoz:/etc/postfix# postconf receive_override_options
[12:37:06] <dadark> receive_override_options =
[12:37:41] <sysmonk> dadark: hm, and how about postmap -q xxx.xxx at xxx dot eu hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc
[12:37:44] <rob0> Ergo^s error message was chopped off, which is it, virtual ALIAS or virtual MAILBOX table?
[12:38:02] <Ergo^> let me post the whole
[12:38:13] <sysmonk> sure, paste it to rob0 pm
[12:38:14] <sysmonk> ;)))
[12:38:21] <rob0> evil
[12:38:21] <Ergo^> Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable, 550 5.1.1 <info at webreactor dot eu>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table
[12:38:26] <Ergo^> too late ;-)
[12:38:29] <dadark> odamoz:/etc/postfix# postmap -q xxx.xxx at xxx dot eu hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc
[12:38:30] <dadark> odamoz:/etc/postfix#
[12:38:40] <dadark> (Yes, I was using the real address there"
[12:38:41] <sysmonk> dadark: so, it's not in the map..
[12:38:55] <sysmonk> dadark: could you use a non-mungled address and pastebin it ?
[12:39:00] <sysmonk> (the file itself)
[12:39:12] <sysmonk> you can paste it to my PM
[12:39:30] <rob0> info at webreactor dot eu is not in your virtual_mailbox_maps, but webreactor.eu *is* in virtual_mailbox_domains.
[12:39:38] <dadark> Oh shit
[12:39:42] <dadark> Sorry for wasting your time
[12:39:46] <sysmonk> dadark: you forgot the 'holy' word
[12:39:55] <sysmonk> 5$ goes to rob0
[12:40:02] <dadark> Yeah, I feel like using it
[12:40:08] <dadark> I had a typo in the address
[12:40:11] <dadark> damn it.
[12:40:14] <dadark> That was stupid
[12:40:21] <rob0> Munging makes it hard to spot typos.
[12:40:22] <dadark> Checked it twice but didn't notice
[12:40:24] <sysmonk> ya
[12:40:29] <dadark> rob0: Sure
[12:40:35] <sysmonk> hate munging
[12:41:00] <sysmonk> or, if you're munging, use a sed -e "s/blah/foobar/" for all the output
[12:41:22] <dadark> Okay, thanks for your help guys
[12:41:36] <rob0> yw
[12:41:43] <sysmonk> i once debuged a rc script which didn't work well
[12:41:52] <sysmonk> it did work when runing manually, but didn't work when runing automaticaly
[12:41:58] <sysmonk> i was debuging it for almost a day
[12:42:08] <sysmonk> when i though fsck it, i'll create a new one
[12:42:11] <Ergo^> rob0: yes its in the file, do i edit that "by hand" ??
[12:42:30] <sysmonk> and i took the old script as a 'template' and, when replacing the keywords, it didn't replace one somehow
[12:42:45] <sysmonk> and then i was screaming around, cause it had a typo
[12:42:51] <sysmonk> perdition -> perditon
[12:43:00] <Ergo^> it says "do no edit manually" so i thought i use some command or tool to update it
[12:43:40] <rob0> I don't know what nor whom put "do no edit manually" in your file. Postfix didn't do that.
[12:43:58] <Ergo^> ah ok, it was generated by control panel then, ill edit the stuff
[12:44:01] <Ergo^> thanks for help
[12:44:07] <Ergo^> !beer rob0
[12:44:08] <knoba> Ergo^: Error: "beer" is not a valid command.
[12:44:13] <Ergo^> blah :/
[12:44:47] <rob0> it's 05:44 here, coffee time, not beer, unfortunately
[12:44:59] <jpalmer> well,  whatever software placed the 'do not edit manually' warning in there..  probably meant it.  if you edit it manually,  your control panel software won't be aware of the changes.  the next time it writes a new config,  your manual changes will likely dissapear.
[12:45:03] <sysmonk> rob0: 05:44 looks like vodka time
[12:46:09] <Ergo^> jpalmer: im fighting 6th hour with my mail, now everytthing will be handled by google services , or i will go crazy ;P
[12:46:24] <sysmonk> or hire a sysadmin
[12:46:25] <sysmonk> ;P
[12:47:00] <jpalmer> Ergo^: everyone has choices ;)  do whats best for your environment and needs
[12:47:10] <rob0> If you want some other MX handling it, why use virtual mailbox domains?
[12:47:39] <rob0> are you planning to have your own local imapd / webmail?
[12:48:19] <Ergo^> i want to have google handling everything, so i set MX for 1 of my domains to test
[12:48:43] <rob0> A lot of folks who come here ... shouldn't be running an MTA at all, and I think you might be in that group.
[12:48:58] <Ergo^> im sure of it actually
[12:49:20] <Ergo^> ?i used my CP to remove the accounts i had on that domain, and now im trying to test if it works from webmail on other domain i have on that box
[12:49:23] <jpalmer> Ergo^: for what it's worth,  google apps/gmail is a pretty decent solution for many organizations.
[12:49:29] <rob0> I'm just not clear on your ultimate goal.
[12:49:48] <Ergo^> ok, ill try explain clearer (my english is not perfect)
[12:49:55] <Ergo^> i want to handle everything with gmail
[12:50:26] <Ergo^> since i think i migrated accounts of one of my domains completly i want to test it
[12:51:13] <Ergo^> so now im on my box and try to send a test email from one of my other accounts to the domain that should be handled by googe
[12:51:22] <Ergo^> but i get an error
[12:51:27] <jpalmer> what error?
[12:51:50] <Ergo^> "User unknown in virtual mailbox table"
[12:51:54] <rob0> So, your box thinks it's the final destination for the domain, but you think Google should be.
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[12:52:05] <Ergo^> rob0: yeah i think so
[12:52:09] <jpalmer> I think rob0 just nailed it
[12:52:12] <rob0> !standard
[12:52:13] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[12:52:19] <rob0> you want a send-only MTA
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[12:52:45] <Ergo^> i probably forgot to change something since i suck ;-) just not sure what i need to edit where
[12:52:49] <jpalmer> well,  it sounds like he just wants to remove the one domain from postfix configs,  since he's only migrated the users for the one domain
[12:52:58] <Ergo^> jpalmer: exactly
[12:53:05] <Ergo^> if that works ill migrate clients
[12:53:41] <Ergo^> postfix still thinks that domain in question is handled on my box
[12:53:50] <Ergo^> at least i think so
[12:53:57] <jpalmer> we do to.
[12:54:27] <mwalling> oh goodie hes back
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[13:09:35] <ffffRu> hi all
[13:09:50] <vlt> Hello. How can I set (certain) mails that are in the queue "on hold"? I want to test if a new "relay_host" is working and avoid the mails being bounced. Any idea?
[13:15:14] <rob0> "man postsuper"
[13:19:23] <vlt> rob0: Thank you.
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[13:27:18] <Ergo^> rob0:  i guess its time for me to drop control panel completly, switch everything to google, and set the rest of services by hand :]
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[13:33:30] <ffffRu> where in logs i can find a reason why mail from other server cant go to me?:)
[13:34:01] <Trengo> i'd check the "other server" first
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[13:36:31] <ffffRu> hm
[13:36:36] <ffffRu> hmm...
[13:36:57] <ffffRu> Trengo: i dont und. u. explain plz
[13:39:59] <Trengo> ffffRu well, i'd check what happens in the "other server" if possible
[13:40:11] <Trengo> check where it is trying to send your email
[13:40:21] <Trengo> if it can connect to your server
[13:40:25] <Trengo> if it can send you mail
[13:40:29] <ffffRu> hm
[13:40:47] <Trengo> if it is sent but you dont receive it, then i'd check your
[13:40:48] <Trengo> s
[13:40:52] <Trengo> see where it went
[13:40:59] <ffffRu> i cant,because i test it from other server...like gmail,msn..etc :)
[13:41:30] <ffffRu> but there are no error-i have no mail about fail of delivery to MY mail server//
[13:41:44] <ffffRu> Oo
[13:42:25] <Trengo> so check your own server's log
[13:42:45] <ffffRu> there are nothing interestin in it....=\
[13:42:48] <Trengo> whats a working account?
[13:43:05] <ffffRu> ?:)
[13:43:09] <ffffRu> what working acc?
[13:43:19] <Trengo> an address
[13:43:22] <Trengo> an email
[13:44:06] <ffffRu> my eng. is bad...you mean my working adress on my server or what?:)
[13:44:54] <rob0> !learn no_logs as Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[13:46:01] <Trengo> ffffRu i mean a working address in your server i can try sending email to :P
[13:46:52] <ffffRu> hhmm
[13:47:32] <ffffRu> try  lalala at materik dot ru
[13:47:43] <ffffRu> it should work but it isn work Oo
[13:48:07] <ffffRu> rob0: ..hm.. @connections are not coming to your server@ :)
[13:50:40] <rob0> 220-at100.arbatek.ru ESMTP Exim 4.68 #1 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:49:57 +0400
[13:51:41] 
[13:51:42] <ffffRu> so?
[13:52:18] <rob0> That looks like Exim, not Postfix, at 195.161.117.100:25
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[13:53:18] <ffffRu> it is a my ISP:)
[13:54:04] <ffffRu> bad..so i should write to them to debug that situation O-o
[13:56:41] <Trengo> ffffRu it finishes with 550 Administrative prohibition
[13:56:53] <Trengo> sending mail from gmail
[13:57:25] <ffffRu> em
[13:57:33] <ffffRu> hm
[13:58:14] <Trengo> that account doesnt work apparently
[13:58:19] <Trengo> or it refuses mail from me
[13:58:32] <Trengo> but it is exim, not postfix
[13:58:52] <Trengo> so i dont understand why you're asking for help in here :)
[13:59:17] <rob0> Confirmed Exim by its multi-line banner and HELP command.
[13:59:41] <ffffRu> its an exim on my ISP,and i guess after they catch the mail they send it to my server...
[13:59:47] <ffffRu> it the theory
[14:02:11] <ffffRu> fuck my brain :(
[14:03:18] <Trengo> i dont think so
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[14:04:28] <cpm> ewwww
[14:04:48] <ffffRu> i think so because i cant imagine totangle exim and postfix :D
[14:06:36] <Trengo> i dont think your ISP accepts mail for you in the first place
[14:07:27] 
[14:07:29] <ffffRu> i think so
[14:07:45] <ffffRu> too..
[14:07:57] <ffffRu> hm
[14:08:12] <ffffRu> omg,i cll my ISP and will fuck there brain...:)
[14:08:14] <ffffRu> call-
[14:08:22] <rob0> Did the MX for materik.ru. resolve correctly to your IP address, 195.161.117.100? If so, and if you're not running Exim, it looks like they're intercepting your inbound SMTP.
[14:08:48] <rob0> And that is a very strange thing for an ISP to do.
[14:08:52] <ffffRu> hm
[14:09:10] <ffffRu> my server is behind a firewall with other adress..
[14:10:49] <cpm> Yup, the MX for materik.ru is an Exim box
[14:14:35] <ffffRu> so exim catch the mail and then send to me...so how to check the corretlu of server settings?:(
[14:15:05] <Trengo> its not actually accepting mail for you
[14:15:25] <rob0> No one here can possibly help you with that ... unless they happen to be running that Exim box.
[14:15:25] <Trengo> if it doesnt accept, it cant very well relay it to you
[14:15:38] <Trengo> yeah
[14:15:48] <Trengo> so you really have to talk to your ISP about it
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[14:17:06] <ffffRu> what should i tell them?to get the debug msg or what?))
[14:17:38] <rob0> You didn't answer my question.
[14:17:43] <Trengo> they're not accepting mail for your address
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[14:21:53] <ffffRu> rob0: what question?
[14:22:48] <ffffRu> so i have an win Mdaemon working..hi works normally with lalala at materik dot ru....
[14:23:01] <ffffRu> i test it 1min ago...
[14:23:34] <ffffRu> but postfix-not.maybe i should show an config of posfix?
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[14:46:40] <ffffRu> ha!i know what the proble,m
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[14:49:50] <ffffRu> mdaeomon catch all from one mail lile all at materik dot ru and then to the users:D...omg
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[15:11:28] <alecs> hi there
[15:11:48] <alecs> i have a problem with my mail and i don't know how to fix it ...
[15:11:54] <alecs> i have 2 machines ...
[15:12:12] <alecs> and each is able to send mail ...
[15:12:59] <alecs> the main issue is that on both machines is set same domain, but just one is configured with mailboxes..
[15:13:33] <alecs> now, the mails that are sent by the machine with no accounts are sent tyo postmaster ...
[15:14:25] <alecs> my question: how can i forward mails to the first machine ?
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[16:09:22] <lionel_> my postfix cannot receive more than 45 mail /min
[16:09:31] <lionel_> wby it's slowly
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[16:16:47] <Verilium> lionel_:  Have you checked IO?  What do you see is taking up ressources when you're doing these performance tests?
[16:18:21] <lionel_> i have 3500 mo ram free my cpu is use on 8 % end my badwhith is 100 MB and i use just 1 MB
[16:18:30] <lionel_> Verilium: what is IO ?
[16:25:12] <Verilium> Ooookay, uhhh.
[16:27:55] <Verilium> lionel_:  The performance of your storage disks, for example.  How fast the processes are able to write to your disks.  Memory, CPU, Disk IO, are all different things you should check when trying to measure performance.
[16:28:30] <Verilium> lionel_:  Maybe check your logs, see if they mention anything in particular..
[16:28:53] <rob0> scary
[16:29:42] <Verilium> heh
[16:31:13] <lionel_> Verilium: this computeur is monstrer
[16:31:41] <lionel_> Verilium: 35 mail /min is very low
[16:32:37] * Verilium shrugs.
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[16:33:38] <Master_TuX> hol
[16:33:49] <Master_TuX> perdon hola a todos
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[16:38:54] <Verilium> lionel_:  I don't think anyone will disagree that that does seem like a somewhat low number.  Could be something in your postfix config, maybe external (rbl) checks that postfix is trying to make, check your logs.
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[17:35:12] <harryman100_> Hi, I'm getting "Relay Access Denied" error messages when trying to send email through my new postfix setup - I've tried setting  "smtpd_client_restrictions = permit" at the end of my /etc/postfix/main.cf - but I still get the problem - can anyone suggest ways to investigate this further?
[17:36:28] <shasta> !logs
[17:36:30] <knoba> shasta: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[17:36:46] <shasta> !basic
[17:36:47] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:36:52] <shasta> harryman100_, ^^^^^^^^^
[17:37:40] <harryman100_> shasta: my logs aren't actually giving much useful at the moment (they don't say anything other than "relay access denied" and some personal information), I'll check out the readme though
[17:40:55] <shasta> pastebin relevant logs, and output of: postconf -n
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[17:43:39] <harryman100_> postconf: http://pastebin.com/m56c733cc
[17:45:19] <shasta> logs
[17:47:28] <rob0> !relay_denied
[17:47:29] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[17:49:00] <harryman100_> http://pastebin.com/m18d24a59
[17:50:21] <harryman100_> rob0: I have smptd_client_restrictions = permit in my settings at the moment - it was my understanding that this means that the client IP didn't need to be in mynetworks and auth is not required (although using auth doesn't work either)
[17:51:10] <rob0> smptd_client_restrictions is a typo. smtpd_client_restrictions default value is permit and does not control relaying. See !basic.
[17:52:39] <shasta> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:52:40] <knoba> shasta: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix SMTP server applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See smtpd(5) for an overview of access restriction features. Default is to relay only for source IP addresses in your $mynetwork and to domains set in $relay_domains.
[17:53:34] <shasta> btw, i'd rephrase this factoid so it doesn't mention $relay_domains
[17:53:59] <rob0> agreed
[17:54:15] <shasta> (it might encourage altering $relay_domains; and for >50% people not knowing what smtpd_recipient_restrictions are, it's probably dangerous)
[17:54:39] <rob0> I wish Wietse would just UNSET relay_domains already.
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[18:00:45] <pdragon> i've set up my mail server using the workaround.org debian etch server. Every once and a while, messages are getting stuck in the outgoing queue with the error "(conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)"
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[18:09:23] <pdragon> messages eventually go out, but they're delayed some 30 minutes or so. from what i can find seems it's something with amavis holding things up
[18:09:32] <pdragon> any ideas?
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[18:37:22] <rob0> !forget smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[18:37:38] <rob0> !learn smtpd_recipient_restrictions as A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP "RCPT TO" command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for source IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[18:38:03] <rob0> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[18:38:03] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for source IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[18:38:41] <rob0> !forget smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[18:39:03] <rob0> !learn smtpd_recipient_restrictions as A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP "RCPT TO" command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[18:40:11] <padde> !forget all
[18:40:12] <knoba> padde: Error: There is no such factoid.
[18:40:15] <padde> !learn 42
[18:40:16] <knoba> padde: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
[18:40:16] <padde> ;)
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[19:02:32] <ek> !forwarding
[19:02:36] <knoba> ek: Error: "forwarding" is not a valid command.
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[19:02:40] <ek> Poop.
[19:03:04] <adaptr> !relayhost
[19:03:04] <knoba> adaptr: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
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[19:03:40] <ek> adaptr: Thanks, but relaying isn't what I'm looking for.
[19:03:52] <ek> I forgot how to disable the reading of ~/.forward files. Lol.
[19:03:59] <ek> Was trying to get info on that.
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[19:05:01] <sysmonk> ek: allow_mail_to_files
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[19:05:45] <ek> sysmonk: Ah yes. Thank you very much.
[19:08:12] <sysmonk> ek: hm, might be wrong
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[19:17:20] <Captain> anybody knows why postfix accept mails for accounts who have more bytes in use as $quota (vda)
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[19:31:15] <gdfuego> I've got a question for anyone who hasn't been killed in a split
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[19:31:40] <gdfuego> I've got a mail system which is sort of a DR system, running postfix of course
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[19:31:50] <gdfuego> It recieves duplicate copies of particular types of e-mails
[19:32:06] <gdfuego> since its protected from the internet, and is only for DR purposes, I want to make sure it never sends a bounce to a sender
[19:32:31] <gdfuego> I had setup a luser_relay to deal with delivery attempts to accounts which had been removed
[19:32:46] <gdfuego> but I just was bitten by mailboxes which were too full
[19:32:51] <devdas> comment out the bounce line from master.cf?
[19:33:00] <devdas> or turn off quotas?
[19:33:07] <gdfuego> well, I turned off the quotas
[19:33:16] <gdfuego> but I'm not sure what the next thing to bite me will be
[19:33:23] <gdfuego> disk problems, etc
[19:33:57] <gdfuego> I believe the system actually rejected the message rather than accepting and bouncing
[19:34:00] <gdfuego> so the relay send a bounce
[19:34:06] <gdfuego> would commenting out bound solve that?
[19:34:43] <gdfuego> or do I need to do something on the relays in front of it to block these possible e-mails?
[19:35:16] <devdas> commenting out bounce should work
[19:35:29] <gdfuego> awesome, thanks
[19:35:33] <devdas> you could also block all email with a <> sender address from there hosts
[19:35:35] <gdfuego> I'll go do some testing with that
[19:36:09] <gdfuego> ok, so block on the relays anything with coming from this particular system with a sender address of <>
[19:38:08] <gdfuego> actually, the bounce wouldn't be originating from this system, so I guess it would be a bounce that references this system
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[19:48:08] <gdfuego> Ah, I guess the system does accept and then bounce
[19:49:49] <gdfuego> commenting out bounce does cause the bounce to not be sent, but the message ends up wedged in the queue
[19:49:57] <gdfuego> I guess that's not so bad at the end of hte day though
[19:50:29] <gdfuego> thanks!
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[20:00:23] <Captain> is it possible to create the maildir for a new user on login? or is "send a email" the best of all?
[20:00:41] <mltdwn> can get my mail client by ip or hostname to connect to the server but if i telnet to it i get in ....here is my postconf -n           http://pastebin.com/m70e80280
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[20:01:50] <mltdwn> cant get my mail client by ip or hostname to connect to the server but if i telnet to it i get in ....here is my postconf -n           http://pastebin.com/m70e80280
[20:02:15] <mltdwn> any ideas
[20:03:09] <devdas> Captain: send an email
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[20:04:34] <Captain> devdas: no other solutions?
[20:06:43] <mltdwn> ok
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[20:13:01] <mltdwn> cant get my mail client by ip or hostname to connect to the server but if i telnet to it i get in ....here is my postconf -n           http://pastebin.com/m70e80280
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[20:18:06] <mltdwn> cant get my mail client by ip or hostname to connect to the server but if i telnet to it i get in ....here is my postconf -n           http://pastebin.com/m70e80280
[20:18:32] <mltdwn> what am i doing wrong
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[20:36:56] <richard_> hello
[20:37:33] <richard_> hey my company has an exchange server that crashes every couple of months
[20:37:49] <richard_> its in a vm, and whenever it crashes it has to be rolled back to a snapshot 24-48 hourls old
[20:38:33] <richard_> i'm trying to have it destoryed but i don't hold that much sway
[20:38:52] <richard_> so what i'd like to do ideally is set up postfix to receive all the mail, then pass it to the exchange server keeping a copy
[20:39:01] <richard_> is this possible?
[20:39:30] <devdas> !always_bcc
[20:39:30] <knoba> devdas: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
[20:39:38] <devdas> !recipient_bcc-maps
[20:39:39] <knoba> devdas: Error: "recipient_bcc-maps" is not a valid command.
[20:39:48] <devdas> !recipient_bcc_maps
[20:39:48] <knoba> devdas: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[20:39:49] <devdas> See those
[20:41:11] <xpoint> think og bounces :/
[20:41:19] <xpoint> of even
[20:42:59] <xpoint> richard_, if you make use of ldap in postfix to sync exchange users then it works, and setup postfix as a backup mx, where the exhcange ip is primary mx
[20:43:46] <richard_> um...we already have a plesk server with an identical mailbox configuration
[20:43:48] <xpoint> its important that relay_recipient_maps is in sync always
[20:44:04] <richard_> that captures all the mail when the exchange server is actually down
[20:44:19] <richard_> but the problem is, whenever it shits itself, it still accepts and stores mail
[20:44:53] <richard_> meaning any mail that was delivered to it between when we took the snapshot and when it shat itself is lost
[20:44:53] <xpoint> if exchange is down change to more stable software :-)
[20:45:01] <richard_> oh believe me
[20:45:03] <richard_> i would love
[20:45:04] <richard_> to
[20:45:08] <richard_> but i don't have that option
[20:46:14] <xpoint> if the exhange is down postfix will tempfail mails from remote
[20:46:47] <xpoint> dont accept mails that cant be bounced or delivered
[20:47:16] <richard_> thats the thing tho
[20:47:21] <richard_> i can't not do that
[20:47:45] <richard_> the problem is the active directory keeps irreversably shitting itself
[20:47:46] <xpoint> again a reason to get rid of exchange then
[20:47:59] <richard_> so users can't log in to fetch their mail
[20:48:07] <richard_> even tho its sitting there in the EDB file
[20:48:15] <richard_> which COULD be recovered with a painful process
[20:48:38] <richard_> requiring expensive software
[20:48:50] <richard_> but i would much rather have a postfix server proxying the mail
[20:48:52] <richard_> and saving a copy
[20:49:13] <richard_> sot hat when it shits itself i can go back and grab all mail for the 48-72 hour period from the last snapshot
[20:49:22] <xpoint> that would be bad for end users, have 2 emails to delete pr spam mail
[20:49:46] <richard_> yeah it would be
[20:50:15] <richard_> but its certainly better than them losing 10 important mails every time it happens
[20:50:43] <xpoint> can exhange fetch remote email ?
[20:50:51] <xpoint> with pop3 ?
[20:50:56] <richard_> no idea
[20:51:04] <richard_> i'm not in charge of configuring the exchange server
[20:51:09] <devdas> no
[20:51:13] <xpoint> if that could be done then it stable
[20:51:56] <xpoint> well can fetchmail deliver to exchange imap ?
[20:53:45] <devdas> yes
[20:54:36] <richard_> would that not require fetchmail to know all the user passwords?
[20:54:44] <xpoint> can it be done that way richard_ ?
[20:54:50] <richard_> might be
[20:55:09] <xpoint> postfix admin have fetchmail handling
[20:55:11] <richard_> but how would that not require fetchmail to know all the passwords?
[20:55:23] <richard_> for the user accounts on the imap server?
[20:55:31] <xpoint> yes thats is the backside :(
[20:55:39] <richard_> yeah not an option..thanks anyway tho
[20:55:52] <richard_> i was hoping postfix would have the ability to just forward email to another host
[20:55:57] <richard_> and possibly cache a copy
[20:56:06] <devdas> richard_: I told you how
[20:56:56] <xpoint> richard_, use then recipient_bcc_maps, but olso a shitty way of solving bad windows software :(
[20:57:40] <richard_> hmm
[20:58:04] <xpoint> what you end with in that senarios is a big mess for each user
[20:58:44] <richard_> ok
[20:59:00] <richard_> yeah i don't think it'll work that way
[20:59:12] <xpoint> if thats okay with them please do :-)
[20:59:51] <richard_> because the postfix server will be the highest priority destination for the domain
[21:00:03] <richard_> and i can't alter the config on the exchange server
[21:00:47] <richard_> if postfix can't do it the way i want then i might hack one of the python scripts i see online that do simple smtp proxying
[21:01:06] <xpoint> postfix must only be either the primary mx, or backup mx preferble
[21:01:28] <richard_> postfix would be the primary mx
[21:01:37] <richard_> exchange would ideally not be in the list at all
[21:01:52] <richard_> but postfix will resolve itself when it goes to bcc the email
[21:02:32] <xpoint> bcc maps could be gmail :-)
[21:03:39] <xpoint> but if to much spam comming from that postfix install gmail would blakc list that ip
[21:04:13] <xpoint> and thus it would olso be impratical as a backup
[21:04:51] <richard_> urgh
[21:04:54] <richard_> but see
[21:04:59] <xpoint> i dont really follow why so many would still use exchange, when there is better options
[21:05:00] <richard_> postfix would then need to relay to the exchange server
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[21:05:07] <richard_> again
[21:05:10] <richard_> if it were up to me.....
[21:05:18] <richard_> i'm going to head to bed
[21:05:40] <richard_> its 5am here and i've got a fun job ahead of me recovering this EDB tomorrow
[21:05:51] <richard_> getting it out of the vm is only a quarter of the battle
[21:05:55] <richard_> thanks for your help
[21:06:08] <xpoint> yes okay, make it good anyway
[21:06:40] <richard_> bye
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[21:06:44] <xpoint> it just me that list here pros and cons with echange in that senario
[21:07:00] <Xcaliber009> anyone here familiar with integrating postfix with mailman?
[21:07:30] <xpoint> i got i working last day yes
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[21:09:28] <xpoint> i have done that setup apache vhost to mailman use, and setup mailman as virtual host same as apache vhost, now just use the unix aliases files that mailman maintains, do not use virtual-mailman olso
[21:10:34] <xpoint> trick is that mailman then runs virtual, but postfix only use the pipe alias table
[21:13:06] <xpoint> http://lists.junc.info/mailman/listinfo not much lists i have but it works :-)
[21:14:38] <Xcaliber009> my problem is that mailman will not create the new addresses for new lists...
[21:15:14] <Xcaliber009> do you think the problem is in the /etc/aliases file? I see that I haven't added the first set of aliases, however, shouldn't mailman create those once new lists are created?
[21:18:59] <xpoint> yes here i do not use postfix own alias file
[21:19:22] <xpoint> all my mailman alias is in data/
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[21:24:56] <Xcaliber009> in my build manual for integrating postfix with mailman, it says im supposed to edit the /etc/aliases file, I'm just hoping that once I restart mailman that I won't have to build any more aliases when I create new lists
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[22:26:26] <mohshami> hey guys, my boss wants to add automatic bcc on outgoing messages randomly, is that even possible?
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[22:28:14] <tld> mohshami: wtf?
[22:28:26] <tld> mohshami: yes, it is, but wtf?
[22:28:31] <mohshami> tld: I gave him the same expression
[22:28:47] <tld> mohshami: is this for company-internal stuff, or customers email?
[22:28:53] <tld> mohshami: and is there a good reason for this?
[22:28:57] <mohshami> company internal
[22:29:19] <tld> sounds awefully intrusive, and probably illegal (depending on country etc)
[22:29:21] <mohshami> employees won't listen to company policy on how to format documents, so someone will be checking them
[22:29:30] <tld> still though, from a technical perspective, it's easy
[22:29:34] <tld> do you know any scripting language?
[22:29:40] <tld> perl, python etc?
[22:30:02] <mohshami> perl
[22:30:06] <mohshami> and some python
[22:30:09] <tld> neato
[22:30:10] <mohshami> but still better at perl
[22:30:30] <tld> easiest way to do this is with access policy delegation
[22:30:31] <tld> http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_POLICY_README.html
[22:30:43] <tld> basically postfix can query a script about policy-stuff
[22:31:10] <tld> way way simplest script for this would be something that listens for double linebreak, then gives either:
[22:31:12] <tld> dunno\n
[22:31:21] <tld> or "bcc your-boss at yourcompany dot com\n"
[22:31:24] <tld> in return
[22:31:30] <tld> err
[22:31:33] <tld> "action=dunno\n"
[22:31:34] <tld> or
[22:31:43] <mohshami> well all I want to do is check if the message has a doc file attachment and auto bcc it
[22:31:45] <tld> "action=bcc your-boss at yourcompany dot com\n"
[22:31:46] <mohshami> is that possible?
[22:32:06] <tld> hmm, probably, but can't do that with the policy daemon
[22:32:45] <mohshami> if that the case I can give him 2 options, either forward all messages with doc files, or forward random messages
[22:32:51] <mohshami> possible?
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[22:33:34] <tld> yeah, but I think you can do this with body checks.
[22:33:36] <tld> givmme a sec
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[22:33:49] <mohshami> tyt
[22:34:14] <tld> right, I think the easiest solution might be to combine the two.
[22:34:25] <tld> though you'd have to test.
[22:34:42] <tld> if you use a body-check to see if it's a doc involved, then add a bcc if it is
[22:35:02] <tld> then you can use a policy-daemon, to look for all email to the bcc recipient, and only forward a percentage of them
[22:35:09] <tld> or otherwise remove the recipient
[22:35:17] <tld> but I don't remember the ordering of things, so you'd need to check.
[22:35:40] <tld> both that policy-daemon will be checked after the bcc has been added, and that you don't drop the email to all recipients, but only the bcc one
[22:36:01] <tld> probably the easiest solution, or you'll be knee-deep in mime-parsing all email. :I
[22:36:35] <mohshami> well can't I just do a mime header check for the doc
[22:36:44] <mohshami> and then send to the policy server?
[22:36:50] <jeev> damn
[22:37:00] <jeev> main.cf config and amavisd/spam, ihaven't gotten a single spam in a day
[22:37:03] <tld> that's what I mean?
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[22:37:16] <tld> just check everything. ;)
[22:37:22] <tld> that it works I mean
[22:37:29] <tld> bah, I can't write proper sentances today
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[22:37:42] <mohshami> well it's almost midnight and my brain is shutting down, so please pardon me :)
[22:38:34] <mohshami> I've never used a policy daemon with postfix before, it's gonna be a new experience
[22:38:37] <mohshami> thanks a lot for your help
[22:39:05] <tld> http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html
[22:39:11] <tld> might want to scan that first
[22:39:24] <tld> too many new nice APIs that's popped up since last time I looked. ;)
[22:39:25] <mohshami> will do
[22:39:31] <mohshami> :)
[22:39:34] <mohshami> thanks again :)
[22:40:04] <mohshami> once my boss asked me scan word document attachments, to see if they follow our template
[22:40:17] <mohshami> told him to go fish
[22:40:31] <tld> if you don't feel like doing this, you could just BCC everything, and ask him to check himself. ;)
[22:40:59] <mohshami> :D
[22:41:14] <mohshami> I just thought of using a filter similar to the one we use with disclaimers
[22:41:18] <mohshami> and then add a bcc
[22:41:24] <mohshami> would that work?
[22:42:11] <tld> probably
[22:42:29] <mohshami> I guess I'm gonna have to check it tomorrow
[22:42:31] <mohshami> I'm beat
[22:42:34] <mohshami> thanks again
[22:42:35] <tld> get some sleep dude!
[22:42:42] <tld> and get a raise.  they're not paying you enough.
[22:42:47] <mohshami> :D
[22:42:50] <mohshami> my boss is a great guy
[22:42:56] <mohshami> that's why I work late
[22:43:15] <mohshami> anyways, thanks again, you're a life saver :)
[22:43:52] <tld> I hardly helped.
[22:43:55] <jeev> hey
[22:44:01] <jeev> ahhhhhh
[22:44:04] <jeev> tld, you use amavisd-new?
[22:44:08] <mohshami> :)
[22:44:10] <tld> but unless you get some kind of sexual benefit, you better cut down on your hours before you waste yourself.
[22:44:18] <mohshami> :D
[22:44:22] <tld> jeev: nope
[22:44:31] <jeev> damnit beavis
[22:44:35] <tld> jeev: just custom policy daemon, postfix filtering and dspam
[22:44:45] <jeev> ah cool
[22:44:48] <jeev> mine is working awesome
[22:44:53] <jeev> i just cant get dkim in or out working
[22:44:55] <jeev> with amavisd-new
[22:45:06] <tld> why do you want amavis anyway?
[22:45:07] <mohshami> ok guys, I'm going to hit the sack
[22:45:08] <jeev> i tried to use my existing dkim with amavisd-new but it wont work
[22:45:09] <mohshami> have a great day
[22:45:10] <mohshami> bye
[22:45:14] <mohshami> thanks again
[22:45:14] <jeev> i duno, antivirus and stuffs
[22:45:16] <tld> mohshami: Good!  sleep tight.
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[22:45:21] <tld> jeev: dspam!
[22:45:24] <jeev> EH
[22:45:26] <jeev> i dont feel like it
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[22:45:30] <jeev> what's so great about dspam ?
[22:45:31] <tld> good answer. ;)
[22:45:33] <tld> it works.
[22:45:38] <tld> :)
[22:45:40] <jeev> what's the prob with amavisd
[22:45:46] <tld> just slow and stuff
[22:45:56] <tld> unless I'm misremembering and thinking about something else.
[22:46:05] <tld> jeev: Do you have two IPs on your mailserver?
[22:46:06] <supa_user> do anyone know of a program to forward emails based on time of day ( and maybe have provisionings for special days like holidays? ).  I know I could write rules with procmail or the like, but I'd prefer a GUIer solution if one exists.
[22:46:28] <tld> supa_user: policy daemon and a web page?
[22:46:43] <jeev> yea i do
[22:47:01] <supa_user> tld: that'd do, but does one exist or would I have to write it?
[22:47:44] <tld> supa_user: don't know of one.
[22:48:21] <jeev> tld, i've got to be honest, the installation of postfix, all this other crap
[22:48:22] <tld> jeev: One fun trick to cut down on spam is to set up an MX record against each IP (asuming two), then set up the firewall to drop any connections from windows machines.
[22:48:26] <jeev> was unbelievably difficult and annoying
[22:48:31] <jeev> postfix was simple, but saslauthd and all that crap
[22:48:36] <jeev> tls and blahahbalhb
[22:48:38] <tld> saslauthd is horrible
[22:48:44] <jeev> man, tell me about it
[22:48:49] <jeev> i still dont understand what it's doing
[22:48:55] <jeev> i could killall -9 saslauthd; smtp auth will still work.
[22:48:57] <jeev> how so?
[22:49:01] <tld> haha
[22:49:02] <jeev> it's using libs and shit? or what..
[22:49:08] <tld> yeah, basically
[22:49:12] <supa_user> you shuld have tried dovecot's sasl...
[22:49:14] <jeev> man i'm so lost
[22:49:21] <tld> and might get passwords through saslauthd depending on how things are configured
[22:49:22] <jeev> i've got to reproduce this install so i've got to test other methods
[22:49:35] <jeev> dood, i'm doubting the install so bad, i want to try sniffing it and seeing if it's all ok
[22:49:35] <xpoint> 2
[22:49:36] <xpoint> 3
[22:49:38] <xpoint> 4
[22:49:41] <jeev> what do you use other than saslauthd ?
[22:49:42] <xpoint> :)
[22:50:11] <tld> jeev: depending on your needs, could be easier and more secure to just use certificates and ignore sasl
[22:50:15] <supa_user> jeev: i dunno, i just read that dovecot can provide sasl auth
[22:50:32] <xpoint> keep questions longer and dont post so many questions at once if you want answers
[22:50:35] <jeev> certificates?
[22:50:41] <jeev> what do you mean certificates
[22:50:51] <jeev> xpoint, please. i've asked you a question for the past 3 days and you ignore me.. so stay out of it
[22:50:51] <tld> ssl certificates
[22:50:57] <jeev> client - server cert??
[22:51:10] <jeev> that type of authentication? isn't that weird and annoying?
[22:51:12] <tld> certs for the clients, so you don't have to deal with passwords
[22:51:21] <xpoint> sorry
[22:51:24] <tld> what, and sasl isn't? ;p
[22:51:33] <jeev> it is but at least sasl is portable, i could use from anywhere
[22:51:44] <tld> same with certificates
[22:51:46] <tld> more or less
[22:52:04] <jeev> xpoint: http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.unix.amavis-user/browse_thread/thread/e54b467db9310bb6/c689fc82d7411edf?lnk=raot#c689fc82d7411edf i'm the last poster on that, smallpox. so dont tell me to read release notes, it doesn't say anything else.
[22:52:14] <jeev> tld, what did you mean by the mx record against each ip..?
[22:52:23] <jeev> domain having 2 mx records, postfix listening on both ?
[22:52:36] <tld> jeev: yeah
[22:52:41] <tld> jeev: with different priorities
[22:52:52] <tld> jeev: then simply drop all connections from windows machines to the primary MX
[22:53:10] <tld> cuts down *significantly* on drone/bot-spam
[22:53:16] <jeev> what's the benefit of two MX though?
[22:53:35] <jeev> could you explain? what if a windows machine exchange crap connects
[22:53:41] <tld> so traffic from real mail-senders on windows machines will re-try against the backup MX at the other IP, and still be able to deliver email
[22:53:42] <jeev> do drones connect to all the MX?
[22:53:51] <jeev> ah
[22:53:52] <tld> jeev: not usually
[22:54:03] <jeev> oh, so the drone WONT retry
[22:54:07] <tld> most of the benefits of greylisting, but no delay, and no lost email. :)
[22:54:12] <tld> exactly
[22:54:31] <jeev> could i delay right now with greylisting for about ~20 min? set time
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[22:54:36] <jeev> or that's out of my control
[22:54:48] <jeev> i can't tell the sending mailservers to try again in 20 or somethin eh,?
[22:55:03] <tld> no, you ask them tro try again later, but they decide when
[22:55:07] <jeev> crap
[22:55:16] <tld> but if you do the IP-block, there's no delay
[22:55:17] <jeev> well, i'm currently OK with my amavisd-new install with spamass.
[22:55:25] <jeev> i will consider your thingy
[22:55:33] <jeev> but wouldn't i have to set another postfix install ?
[22:55:44] <tld> no, just run the traffic to both IPs to the same postfix
[22:55:49] <jeev> true
[22:56:03] <jeev> it's worth the thought, maybe i can try
[22:56:12] <jeev> i know that i'll try on my virtual machine to reproduce this postfix and document everything
[22:56:16] <jeev> the howto's for freebsd are a disaster.
[22:56:27] <tld> ehh?
[22:56:32] <tld> you're using freebsd and having a problem with sasl?
[22:56:43] <jeev> yea heh
[22:56:44] <jeev> why
[22:56:46] <tld> I was just about to recommend freebsd to *avoid* having to deal with problems with that.
[22:56:52] <jeev> man
[22:56:55] <jeev> i dont know what the major issue was
[22:57:04] <jeev> i had a HUGE ass problem, but i have problems documenting
[22:57:06] <tld> you installed from ports, or manually?
[22:57:09] <jeev> so i think i'm gonna record my whole screen
[22:57:10] <tld> /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2
[22:57:12] <jeev> everything ports i think
[22:57:14] <jeev> yea man but it wouldn't work
[22:57:19] <tld> hmm
[22:57:20] <jeev> saslauthd doesn't allow you to build for authdaemond
[22:57:22] <tld> that's odd
[22:57:22] <jeev> i was using authdaemond
[22:57:24] <jeev> that was my problem
[22:57:27] <jeev> and i still use it..
[22:57:34] <jeev> saslauthd - authdaemond = MAJOR issue
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[22:57:46] <tld> sounds painful
[22:57:49] <jeev> Jun 25 13:57:29 earthquake postfix/smtpd[39975]: sql_select option missing
[22:57:49] <jeev> Jun 25 13:57:29 earthquake postfix/smtpd[39975]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available
[22:57:54] <tld> SASL is generally a major pain, but tends to work on freebsd
[22:57:55] <jeev> that has been flooding my messages log for a whlie now
[22:58:15] <jeev> so it kind of makes me feel like
[22:58:17] <tld> seems like you haven't configured something
[22:58:18] <jeev> is sasl even working
[22:59:36] <jeev> i turned off saslauthd, everything still works and it reports that error
[23:00:03] <tld> what are you trying to authenticate with?
[23:00:09] <jeev> authdaemond
[23:00:12] <jeev> sql
[23:01:19] <tld> what do you have in this dir? /usr/local/lib/sasl/
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[23:01:40] <tld> or /usr/local/lib/sasl2/ I mean
[23:02:57] <jeev> all these files, mainly smtpd.conf
[23:03:18] <jeev> log_level: 3
[23:03:18] <jeev> pwcheck_method: authdaemond
[23:03:18] <jeev> mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN
[23:03:18] <jeev> authdaemond_path: /var/run/authdaemond/socket
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[23:04:27] <jeev> it's annoying
[23:04:53] <tld> postgresql or mysql?
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[23:05:11] <xpoint> irrelvant tld
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[23:05:44] <tld> should be
[23:06:01] <tld> was just thinking about cooking up an alternative config for him
[23:06:07] <xpoint> if its sql its sql, there is no diff for postfix
[23:06:14] <jeev> mysql
[23:06:19] <tld> xpoint: no, but there is for cyrus-sasl
[23:06:39] <xpoint> yes, and olso for authdaemond
[23:06:53] <jeev> man it's so annoying
[23:07:23] <xpoint> if cyrus-sasl is useing authdaemond its not important if is mysql or postgresql
[23:07:51] <tld> true, but like I said, I was just thinking of cooking up an example alternative config
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[23:08:06] <jeev> i will be back in about 30
[23:08:07] <jeev> thanks
[23:08:07] <tld> either I'm too tired and need to sleep, or auxprop with mysql plugin should simplify things?
[23:08:12] <xpoint> cyrus-sasl can use mysql direct
[23:08:12] <jeev> heh
[23:08:14] <jeev> yea man it should
[23:08:16] <jeev> i dunno, i'll be back
[23:08:17] <jeev> thanks
[23:10:18] <tld> xpoint: yes, without authdaemond
[23:10:24] <tld> or maybe I need sleep
[23:10:27] <tld> probably do
[23:10:50] <xpoint> http://cvs.caudiumforge.net/viewvc/openvisp/admin/contrib/configurations/postfix/smtpd.conf?revision=1.3&view=markup
[23:11:11] <xpoint> tld url give the answer :-)
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[23:11:34] <tld> xpoint: that's something along the lines of what I had in mind
[23:11:52] <tld> auxprop with mysql engine should be simpler than authdaemond
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[23:13:25] <xpoint> compile cyrus-sasl with crypt and mysql dont enable other in configure
[23:14:40] <xpoint> i have tested this with both mysql and postgresql
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[23:43:52] <dusty> Can anyone explain to me why this would happen: kqNVRO
[23:43:54] <dusty> err
[23:44:02] <dusty> http://rafb.net/p/kqNVRO99.html
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[23:47:51] <Xcaliber009> how do i add a virtual domain and where in postfix?
[23:48:10] <rob0> Why WHAT would happen? What are you asking?
[23:48:18] <rob0> !virtual
[23:48:18] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[23:52:17] <Xcaliber009> rob0, will running postmap afterwards affect the postmapping for mailman?
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