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[00:39:53] <daskreech> Hello people :)
[00:39:58] <daskreech> in vmaps.txt
[00:40:11] <daskreech> if I drop in a # is it considered to be a comment?
[00:40:38] <daskreech> i.e. if I run postmap /etc/postfix/vmaps.txt it will ignore everything after the # ?
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[00:53:34] <DaSkreech> Whoops
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[00:53:39] <DaSkreech> X burp
[00:53:44] <DaSkreech> Did I get an answer?
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[00:55:20] <rob0> No, and you probably can't, because we don't know what you're talking about.
[00:56:20] <DaSkreech> the files that maps the user's e-mail address to the directory that holds the mail spool
[00:56:26] <DaSkreech> or file..
[00:57:15] <DaSkreech> It's /etc/postfix/vmaps.txt here
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[01:01:56] <rob0> See "man postmap" about input file format, if it's a hash: or dbm: table.
[01:02:56] <rob0> Come to think of it, I think most if not all file-based maps support "#" comments.
[01:03:06] <DaSkreech> Whoot! ok thanks :)
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[01:29:19] * xpoint come to think of if rob0 really is www.robtex.com
[01:29:51] <DaSkreech> rob0: Yep works well. Thanks.
[01:30:23] <xpoint> shame postfix does not support sqlite
[01:31:10] <rob0> Administrative Contact: Olsson, Robert robban at rob dot .. TYRESO, TYRESO 13551 SE
[01:31:59] <xpoint> match ?
[01:32:12] <rob0> nope
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[01:43:39] <shasta> what rob0 is? knoba knows
[01:43:41] <shasta> !rob0
[01:43:41] <knoba> shasta: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[01:43:46] <shasta> there
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[03:26:48] <Guest28521> ha all
[03:27:05] <Guest28521> howto use multi relayhost
[03:28:06] <Guest28521> if i have relay1.domain.com and relay2.domain.com i use relay1 linke primary when relay1 down postfix have change relay to relay2 ?
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[03:29:31] <mwalling> !transport_maps
[03:29:32] <knoba> mwalling: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[03:29:39] <mwalling> oh
[03:29:45] <mwalling> nevermind
[03:30:27] <Guest28521> thank you
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[03:52:53] <rob0> For mail routing failover, you would set up an MX record (with different priorities) and use that as your relayhost.
[03:53:18] <rob0> relayhost = relayhost.example.com # uses MX lookup
[03:53:35] <rob0> relayhost = [relayhost.example.com] # does NOT use MX lookup
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[04:25:51] <Guest28521> rob0: ?
[04:26:20] <Guest28521> MX lookup from my dns right ?
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[05:00:28] <Guest28521> thank you
[05:00:42] <Guest28521> but i have question
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[06:04:32] <jeev> i've halted my postfix
[06:04:33] <jeev> i dunno why
[06:04:36] <jeev> i've got to start back on the project
[06:04:41] <jeev> i have very little spam getting through now
[06:04:43] <jeev> 20 per day
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[06:22:38] <xpoint> jeev, 20 is 20 to much :-)
[06:23:02] <jeev> true
[06:23:05] <jeev> out of 300-500 caught
[06:23:06] <jeev> not bad?
[06:23:12] <jeev> i dunno, i dont want to deal with spamass.
[06:24:01] <xpoint> or amavisd ?
[06:24:13] <jeev> i thought amavisd was virus or some shit
[06:24:19] <jeev> i'd love to haev antivirus and antispam today
[06:24:23] <xpoint> what alternatives is there?
[06:24:23] <jeev> i better start working on it
[06:24:27] <jeev> i dunno
[06:24:33] <jeev> i guess i'll read up on spamass with postfix
[06:24:56] <xpoint> no go for amavis
[06:25:01] <jeev> why
[06:25:10] <xpoint> dont think spamassassin
[06:25:41] <jeev> hahah
[06:25:47] <jeev> i run spamass on the qmail box.. familiar with it
[06:25:56] <xpoint> might olso depends on what you want, but i think you get it later
[06:26:18] <jeev> hrmf
[06:26:45] <xpoint> olso qmail_scanner ?
[06:26:59] <jeev> yea
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[06:27:37] <xpoint> running spamassassin direct with postfix is just as good as running postfix with mailscanner, i say dont do it
[06:27:53] <jeev> so in the end, what is your suggestion
[06:28:02] <xpoint> amavisd
[06:28:20] <jeev> and that is with mailscanner ?
[06:28:34] <xpoint> :)
[06:28:43] <xpoint> no, spamassassin
[06:29:27] <xpoint> dont mix mailscanner and postfix, mailscanner is for sendmail not postfix
[06:29:35] <jeev> so what the hell are you saying
[06:29:35] <jeev> lol
[06:29:36] <jeev> i'm confused
[06:29:38] <jeev> use ama..
[06:29:41] <jeev> and that plugs in?
[06:29:42] <jeev> i'll have to read
[06:29:56] <xpoint> perfect
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[06:30:51] <Motoko-chan> I recommend AMaViSd-new
[06:31:19] <jeev> is it anti virus and antispam ?
[06:31:24] <xpoint> same here, it gets better each day
[06:32:04] <xpoint> jeev, it can do what you want and make dkim as easy as 2+2
[06:32:18] <jeev> i already do DKIM
[06:32:22] <jeev> outgoing or incoming verification ?
[06:32:49] <xpoint> this is now in amavisd core olso, simplify your setup
[06:33:35] <xpoint> http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
[06:33:59] <jeev> so amavisd uses spamass
[06:34:24] <xpoint> http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/release-notes.txt read this one
[06:34:48] <jeev> i'd prefer to disable my dkimproxy softwaer
[06:34:52] <jeev> it seems unstable.. as far as if it were to die
[06:35:48] <jeev> shit
[06:35:52] <jeev> i hoe it's not a lot of work man
[06:35:55] <jeev> i gotta reproduce this set up 4 times
[06:35:59] <xpoint> yes it was olso here, but amavisd is damm stable
[06:36:48] <jeev> i dont get it
[06:36:52] <jeev> why does it ask to use sasl authentication
[06:37:11] <xpoint> ?
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[06:37:55] <jeev> i'm building it with ports on bsd
[06:37:59] <jeev> and it's asking me about sasl authentication
[06:37:59] <jeev> oh well
[06:38:00] <jeev> we'll see.
[06:38:13] <xpoint> hehe
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[06:38:35] <xpoint> atleast you use the sources like gentoo :-)
[06:38:42] <jeev> yea
[06:38:45] <jeev> packages are for lusers
[06:38:49] <jeev> i hate ports
[06:38:50] <jeev> but oh well
[06:39:19] <xpoint> prebuildt is waste of space on the internet
[06:39:38] <jeev> some things is worth while
[06:41:20] <xpoint> i need to pick out my essitiel configs from amavisd.conf and put them into a new default config in 2.6.0 and hope it works
[06:41:28] <jeev> bah
[06:41:30] <jeev> i'm tired of configs!
[06:41:36] <jeev> so amavisd uses spamass?
[06:41:37] <jeev> how come
[06:41:49] <xpoint> yes me 2, delays updates
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[06:42:37] <xpoint> main config could  be as easy as a postfix mysql map
[06:42:53] <xpoint> where amavisd get the rest from sql
[06:42:58] <jeev> hmm
[06:43:02] <jeev> this is beginning to be a headache
[06:43:04] <jeev> already
[06:43:08] <jeev> does amavisd do antivirus too /
[06:43:30] <xpoint> see amavisd.conf about av_scanners
[06:43:35] <jeev> ahh
[06:44:36] <xpoint> have a scanner that is not supported ?
[06:44:46] <jeev> no
[06:44:48] <jeev> i'm sure clam will work
[06:44:48] <jeev> bbiab
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[07:12:02] <generic> hi all what this mean
[07:12:02] <generic> Jun 24 01:09:26 mod61 postfix/smtp[6193]: 7822F170AD7: to=<nauman@domain  >, relay=none, delay=0.01, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=5.4.4, status=bounced (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=domain type=A: Host not found)
[07:12:52] <generic> i am running postfix on a local machine and i am trying to send email to local user on that email server why DNS comes in i have add and entry in hots that points to this server
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[07:26:14] <jeev> generic, what's the domain you're sending it to
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[07:30:26] <f3ew> Postfix uses DNS, not /etc/hosts
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[07:49:55] <generic> ok
[07:50:21] <generic> jeev its a local machine sending email to his machine i am sending email to my user on same system
[07:50:25] <generic> what to do
[07:51:27] <generic> its domain.com
[07:51:52] <generic> f3ew what to do?
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[08:00:57] <rob0> Either set up DNS (dnsmasq is easy), or do this, which will severely break things if you have to do any real email routing to external sites ...
[08:01:05] <rob0> !disable_dns_lookups
[08:01:06] <knoba> rob0: "disable_dns_lookups" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Disable DNS lookups in the Postfix SMTP and LMTP clients. When disabled, hosts are looked up with the gethostbyname() system library routine which normally also looks in /etc/hosts.
[08:01:49] <rob0> another option, maintain your routing interally ...
[08:01:54] <rob0> !transport_maps
[08:01:54] <knoba> rob0: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[08:03:34] <generic> robo what parameter
[08:03:37] <generic> in postfix
[08:03:45] <jeev> you there xpoint
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[08:14:02] <generic> /var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp] said: 550-Mailbox unknown.  Either there is no mailbox associated with this 550-name or you do not have authorization to see it
[08:14:06] <generic> what this mean
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[08:22:17] <milligan_> I have a mailserver running on domain.tld . I also have a mailserver running on subdomain.domain.tld . domain.tld server handles my DNS, and has set the MX record for subdomain.domain.tld to subdomain.domain.tld. However, when I try to send an email to a domain that has subdomain.domain.tld as it's MX record, domain.tld server says that the send attempt is looping to itself. What could be the cause of that ?
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[08:30:14] <generic> rob0
[08:30:23] <generic> where i set to disable dns lookups
[08:30:57] <vice-versa> !tell milligan_ loopback
[08:32:48] <milligan_> vice-versa, hm. Doesn't make sense. I'm sending from domain1.com to domain2.com. Domain2.com has subdomain.domain1.com as MX record, and subdomain.domain1.com points to a different IP than what domain1.com does.
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[08:34:47] <vice-versa> milligan_: have a look at parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[08:34:52] <vice-versa> !parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[08:34:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "parent_domain_matches_subdomains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What Postfix features use "domain.tld matches sub.domain.tld" style pattern matching instead of ".domain.tld matches any subdomain". This is planned backwards compatibility: eventually, all Postfix features are expected to require explicit ".domain.tld" style patterns when you really want to match subdomains.
[08:36:33] <milligan_> postfix is getting the mx record for domain1.tld instead of subdomain.domain1.tld, because the parent matches the subdomain ?
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[08:36:52] <milligan_> This is making me dizzy :P
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[08:38:29] <jeev> got amavisd-new working
[08:38:41] <jeev> i'm not sure if spamassassin is integrated yet but i did test eicar and it detected
[08:38:54] <jeev> so i've got to wait to see a spam come through or i could disable some checks and it'll come through in 10 seconds
[08:38:57] <jeev> dkim is next
[08:39:07] <milligan_> spamassassin wouldn't react on eicar, would it? That's Clams job afaik.
[08:40:46] <milligan_> vice-versa, could you be bothered to explain what the bot said above? I don't understand it. Don't know if it's language problems, or me being stupid .. either way,I'm not getting it.
[08:41:16] <jeev> yea, clam picked it
[08:41:21] <jeev> so i dunno if spam ass is working
[08:41:27] <jeev> or not, i dont want to touch it, i'll wait till tomorrow
[08:41:33] <jeev> but i gotta admit, i am dirtying my master.cf with all thsi shit
[08:42:55] <f3ew> milligan_ Postfix may think that it is the final destination for a subdomain, in which case it will never look at the MX records
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[08:44:12] <milligan_> f3ew, ah.. and the mentioned setting above will prevent that ?
[08:44:25] <f3ew> yes
[08:44:52] <milligan_> So, adding parent_domain_matches_subdomains = sub.domain1.com would be the solution ?
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[08:45:57] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#parent_domain_matches_subdomains
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[08:46:23] <milligan_> yeah, that's where I'm reading.
[08:47:27] <milligan_> ah. Everything I add there is automaticly assumed master of, and everything else is checked.
[08:47:36] <milligan_> So, if I add that setting, and leave it empty, then it should work ?
[08:47:40] <Katana_Steel> jeev: you could stop amavisd-new, and start it from the console with this command: amavisd debug-sa
[08:47:43] <f3ew> right
[08:48:43] <jeev> shit man
[08:48:56] <jeev> i had a perfectly working dkimproxy set up, i dunno what i did with the config, it's all mixxed up now
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[08:49:41] <generic> guys WARNING: sieve script /var/spool/sieve/n/nauman/defaultbc doesn't exist: No such file or directory
[08:49:44] <generic> what this mena
[08:49:56] <jeev> damnd ood
[08:51:57] <milligan_> f3ew, added "parent_domain_matches_subdomains = " to the bottom of my main.cf .. same error.
[08:52:03] <milligan_> (Without the quotes)
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[08:56:54] <f3ew> did you reload Postfix?
[08:57:00] <jeev> hmmm
[08:57:31] <milligan_> I did a restart, yes.
[08:57:45] <jeev> so less the comments, it's not possible to have this set up, is it..
[08:57:46] <jeev> # -o smtpd_proxy_filter=127.0.0.1:10021
[08:57:46] <jeev> # -o smtpd_client_connection_count_limit=50
[08:57:49] <jeev> less the comments.
[08:58:05] <jeev> i can't have amavis handle it, then pass it on to dkim?
[08:58:09] <jeev> i tried doing dkim first, then amavis
[08:59:03] <milligan_> f3ew, tried reloading aswell. Still no go.
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[09:00:24] <Katana_Steel> jeev: can you configure dkim to deliver unblocked mails to amavis so postfix doesn't have to know about it?
[09:01:51] <jeev> how..
[09:02:09] <jeev> i've tried putting the dkim scan inside amavis
[09:02:15] <jeev> and it refuses the connection somewhere
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[09:03:47] <Katana_Steel> SMTP -> postfix -> dkim -> amavis -> postfix -> delivery
[09:04:03] <jeev> but that's what i pasted
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[09:04:11] <jeev> no ?
[09:04:16] <jeev> hmm
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[09:05:35] <Katana_Steel> no, I'd guess that, '-o content_filter=...' shouldn't be needed, if dkim can deliver to amavis instead of back to postfix
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[09:06:30] <jeev> like add "-o content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024" at the end of the
[09:06:35] <jeev> dkim line of the listening port?
[09:06:37] <jeev> i could try that.
[09:08:37] <jeev> BOOM
[09:08:40] <jeev> i THINK it worked
[09:08:58] <jeev> crap
[09:09:02] <xpoint> jeev, read amaivsd release notes on web for 2.6.0 step by step about dkim
[09:09:07] <jeev> yea i know xpoint
[09:09:11] <jeev> but this is so easy
[09:09:17] <jeev> and that's all milter shit man
[09:09:31] <xpoint> get rid of milter :)
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[09:11:33] <jeev> MTA blocking it
[09:11:48] <xpoint> jeev, this is faq
[09:11:52] <jeev> relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=8.3, delays=0.03/0.01/0/8.2, dsn=4.5.0, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.5.0 From MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025) during fwd-connect (errno=Connection refused): id=85680-08 (in reply to end of DATA command))
[09:12:22] <xpoint> means postfix blocks connection from amavis
[09:12:27] <jeev> yea
[09:12:33] <jeev> but it's listening damnit
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[09:14:30] <jeev> xpoint, is this what you use? dkim-filter -u dkfilter -b v \
[09:14:34] <jeev> ie.. for example
[09:14:36] <jeev> dkim-filter ?
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[09:21:48] <jeev> xpoint, you runnin clam?
[09:22:50] <jeev> bsd?
[09:26:37] <xpoint> gentoo clamav postfix amavisd 2.5.4 still, soon i have 2.6.0 up i hope with working mailzu
[09:27:54] <xpoint> o forgot one more bit dovecot with sieve and manage-sieve and last and best of all squirrelmail
[09:28:23] <jeev> ok
[09:28:26] <jeev> right now clamd is running as back up
[09:28:31] <jeev> because the first one, i can't manage to get it to read the socket
[09:28:50] <xpoint> uh
[09:29:13] <xpoint> where is the socket ?, change this in amavisd.conf
[09:29:28] <xpoint> to the clamd scanner
[09:29:41] <jeev> dkim loaded
[09:29:44] <xpoint> backup is when clamd is not working
[09:29:48] <jeev> yea i know
[09:29:50] <jeev> :)
[09:30:38] <jeev> are you running yours with dkim in and ou ?
[09:30:39] <jeev> out
[09:30:40] <xpoint> comment out scanners you dont have anyway in amavisd.conf big hint :-)
[09:30:46] <jeev> YEA I DI
[09:30:47] <jeev> yea i did
[09:31:42] <milligan_> mailzu looks great :D
[09:31:45] <jeev> could i use previously generated dkim
[09:32:18] <jeev> fuck
[09:32:20] <jeev> another thing to install
[09:32:21] <jeev> great!
[09:32:39] <jeev> i'm 5 minutes to just converting to exchange
[09:32:41] <jeev> ;D
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[09:33:09] <xpoint> jeev, no you need to run gentoo to use previously dkim key, lol :-)
[09:33:47] <jeev> what
[09:33:48] <jeev> who said that
[09:33:53] <jeev> i said could i use my previously generated dkim key
[09:33:55] <jeev> i dont see why not
[09:34:05] <xpoint> no one needs exchange
[09:34:35] <jeev> lol
[09:34:38] <jeev> converting to ms exchagne
[09:34:38] <jeev> haha
[09:34:40] <jeev> id' rather die
[09:34:52] <xpoint> okay die now then
[09:35:39] <jeev> hehe
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[09:36:34] <xpoint> milligan_, yes i love it, there is olso posted alot of patches to it now, lets see how much this will delay new version :-)
[09:37:43] <jeev> wheh
[09:37:51] <jeev> i thought qmail was hard to do from the first time i did it a very long time ago
[09:39:06] <jeev> xpoint, are you succesfully running dkim ?
[09:40:30] <xpoint> dkim no not now
[09:40:40] <jeev> hmm
[09:40:43] <xpoint> but i plan for it
[09:41:34] <jeev> dkim isn't reporting anything coming in
[09:41:39] <jeev> but i haven't tried it with anything with dkim
[09:41:43] <milligan_> xpoint, is it hard to implement ?
[09:42:03] <xpoint> milligan_, mailzu ?
[09:42:16] <milligan_> yeah
[09:42:36] <xpoint> no this is easy when amavisd runs with sql logs
[09:43:00] <milligan_> is it in portage ?
[09:43:17] <milligan_> I might have to put it on my own server, and decrease my quarantene levels :)
[09:43:26] <xpoint> no not in gentoo, but its easy to untar aswell :-)
[09:44:03] <xpoint> milligan_, good choice
[09:45:03] <xpoint> and get quarantine-reminder from sf.net olso this finalie it
[09:45:12] <milligan_> What does that do ?
[09:45:23] <xpoint> as the name says
[09:45:47] <xpoint> send mail to recipient if there is virus in quarantine
[09:45:49] <xpoint> :-)
[09:45:53] <milligan_> sends an email reminding the user that they have emails in quanatene ?
[09:45:55] <milligan_> yeah.
[09:46:12] <xpoint> yes, and give link to mailzu webpage
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[09:47:08] <xpoint> if you have more then one amavisd and one sql log mailzu kan use all amavisd to get the right amavisd to release from
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[10:01:00] <milligan_> f3ew, any chance I could PM you?
[10:03:40] <xpoint> l8tr all
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[10:38:46] <Stijn> Question, I'm trying to get SASL working with MySQL, and I'm wondering what the crypt=1 option in /etc/pam.d/smtp exactly does ?
[10:39:07] <Stijn> I've got encrypted passwords in my database (postfixadmin does this by default), but can pam.d read that ?
[10:39:17] <Stijn> It isn't MD5 encryption as far as I can see
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[10:43:34] <f3ew> No
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[11:28:42] <ffgfgf> hi all
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[11:32:56] <ffgfgf> i have problem with postfix+popa3d..it write to log     localhost popa3d getpeername(0) failed
[11:33:20] <ffgfgf> what does it mean?there are nothing in google..
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[12:07:12] <kombi> spammed to pieces here, local_recipient_maps is set to default but there are a few catch-all entries (Exchange servers attached to it) that permit all this mail to invalid users. What could be done?
[12:08:40] <padde> kombi: well, set upt a local recipient map
[12:08:48] <kombi> or, better question: how do I block mail for a recipient? I entered it in recipient_access with REJECT but it doesn't seem to do it
[12:08:58] <padde> kombi: (you can also query an ldap directory, for example)
[12:09:13] <kombi> padde: I'd love to, but those Exchange accounts vary all the time
[12:09:36] <padde> don't really understand what you're doing there, to be honest
[12:09:49] <kombi> padde: do you know how I can block mail for one recipient?
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[12:12:20] <padde> kombi: i guess there are many ways (as always) - you could for example set the mailbox transport to a script that just pipes the mail to /dev/null - then the mail would be "silently dropped"
[12:12:50] <padde> kombi: don't know how to selectively reject though... i work with positive recipient matching (through recipient map)
[12:13:46] <shasta> kombi, check_recipient_access
[12:15:29] <kombi> shasta: that allows you to list the ones you want as unix accounts or hash, I am looking for the opposite
[12:16:06] <shasta> that allows you to reject mail to listed recipients, not what you want?
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[12:23:04] <kombi> shasta: tried by entering them in access_recipient with REJECT but they still get through
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[12:23:29] <shasta> pastebin exactly what you did
[12:23:44] <shasta> it should be something like
[12:24:08] <shasta> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = [...], check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access_recipient, [...]
[12:24:31] <shasta> echo "unwanted at some dot domain.com REJECT" >> /etc/postfix/access_recipient
[12:24:43] <shasta> postmap /etc/postfix/access_recipient
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[12:29:18] <Evill> What's the best way of using specific multihomed bind addresses for different outgoing mail?
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[12:29:58] <Evill> eg. I want to send web site registration emails from mail, and newsletters from mail2.
[12:30:27] <Evill> So that registration emails are unaffected by temporary blacklists due to the newsletter.
[12:30:51] <Evill> It looks like smtp_bind_address and smtp_helo_name are what I need to change.
[12:32:02] <Evill> However, I'm not sure how to do this if both of those types are sent by /usr/sbin/sendmail.
[12:33:04] <Evill> Any ideas?
[12:34:23] <kombi> shasta: that is pretty much exactly what I did..
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[12:44:05] <shasta> kombi, then you probably put check_recipient_access after some accepting rule, but refusing to pastebin logs and configs will not get you more help here
[12:46:24] <kombi> shasta: not refusing, just too busy answering the phone..;) I'll check again and pastebin in while
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[12:55:44] <Evill> Hmm, I guess I'll try again in a better timezone.
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[13:14:49] <Fullmoon> Can I make postfix send mail to the host foo.net via a different, internal IP? Would a /etc/hosts entry be enough?
[13:17:58] <Evill> Fullmoon: I believe smtp_bind_address is the option you want to look at.
[13:18:19] <Evill> It takes a numeric IP address though.
[13:18:32] <Evill> You may need smtp_helo_name as well.
[13:19:23] <f3ew> more like transport_maps
[13:19:24] <Fullmoon> Basically foo.mydomain.net also belongs to us and is reachable internally, but mail.mydomain.net's DNS server is fubar, so it goes _outside_ to our other internal mail-server, so I want to tell postfix that foo.mydomain.net really is 10.0.0.6
[13:19:31] <dragonheart> Fullmoon: use transport maps
[13:19:34] <f3ew> !transport_maps
[13:19:34] <knoba> f3ew: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[13:19:39] <Signum> Strange problem. I have mentors.debian.net which is a CNAME to mentors.workaround.org. The latter also has an A record to 64.79.197.109. Some users seem to have trouble because support at mentors dot debian.net is received as support at mentors dot workaround.org. Is the DNS record the problem or are some MTAs in the middle too stupid?
[13:19:42] <Fullmoon> Aah, will ook into it.
[13:20:18] <Signum> The MX entry wasn't working for some reason that I'm fixing now. But I didn't assume that the CNAME leads to rewriting the recipient's address actually.
[13:20:22] <f3ew> CNAME <======
[13:20:24] <f3ew> It does
[13:20:44] <f3ew> MTAs are expected to use the real name of the host, not the alias
[13:20:53] <Signum> So CNAMEs without explicit MX records are asking for trouble?
[13:20:59] <f3ew> yes
[13:21:03] <Evill> Aha, I didn't know about transport_maps.
[13:21:26] <f3ew> Well, if you don't have a MX record, your A record becomes your MX with priority 0
[13:21:31] <Signum> f3ew: I really wonder why it's mangling the envelope recipient. But I can live it.
[13:21:40] <f3ew> Hence, you do have a MX record, which points to a CNAME
[13:21:40] <Signum> +with
[13:21:50] <Signum> So?
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[13:23:35] <f3ew> Sendmail default behaviour is to rewrite recipient addresses
[13:23:42] <f3ew> for CNAMEs
[13:23:56] <Signum> So that just applies to CNAMEs - not to explicit MX/A records?
[13:24:10] <f3ew> One of the major reasons why you never want MX records pointing to CNAMEs
[13:24:12] <f3ew> yes
[13:24:25] <Signum> I see.
[13:26:13] <Evill> Hmm, doesn't look like transport maps will help me.
[13:26:33] <f3ew> Evill uh?
[13:27:01] <Evill> f3ew: For my earlier problem.
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[13:27:43] <Evill> Wanting to send outbound registration emails from a different IP than newsletter emails.
[13:27:44] <f3ew> you need sender based routing
[13:28:02] <f3ew> that should get you appropriate docs if you search
[13:28:04] <cedric3> hi i have a problem i use yaa to autorespondeur i see i have tstart  and tfinish but when i want to activate and desactivate automatiquely it not work thanks
[13:28:05] <Evill> So user at domain dot tld@[ip] ?
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[13:28:55] <Signum> f3ew: Funny that I saw trouble with rewriting only once a month. Seems like not all email software is doing that. Heck. I've been hunting this for a year and it was just a borked zone entry. :)
[13:31:34] <f3ew> sender_dependent_relayhost_maps, with an additional Postfix install?
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[13:32:08] <shasta> sender based transport maps would be handy...
[13:32:32] <Evill> I was hoping to not complicate things with a second install.
[13:33:34] <Evill> I can tell /usr/sbin/sendmail to use a different postfix config directory. Is that a feasible option?
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[13:34:11] <Evill> A copy of the config directory with the only difference being the smtp_bind_address?
[13:37:19] <f3ew> try it and see
[13:37:30] * f3ew does not do sender based routing
[13:37:55] * Evill hasn't before either. :)
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[13:45:20] <robtone_> shasta, I use sender based transport maps
[13:45:28] <robtone_> don't ask me how
[13:47:08] <robtone_> or at least sender based FILTER-ring with different transport maps
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[14:06:55] * cpm wants to know how robtone_ uses sender based transport maps
[14:07:15] <loompek> i'd also need that :D
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[14:20:56] <robtone_> if my wifey turns on the computer again I can tell
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[14:24:51] <Evill> Okay, it looks like an alternate_config_directories option will do what I need.
[14:25:17] <Evill> A copy of main.cf and master.cf, with smtp_bind_address and smtp_helo_name changed.
[14:25:41] <Evill> I have yet to test that though.
[14:26:59] <Evill> The more I think about it though, the less it seems likely to be possible without two instances.
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[14:33:13] <jacekowski> is it possible to rewrite all To: and CC: recipients as BCC: recipients with postfix
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[14:33:31] <jacekowski> so they won't be able to see each other addresses
[14:34:43] <robtone_> Evill, try a second master.cf entry
[14:35:20] <robtone_> foo_smtp -o smtp_bind_address
[14:36:13] <robtone_> and FILTER to foo_smtp
[14:38:01] <robtone_> Evill, man 5 access | less +/FILTER   man smtp | less +/bind
[14:38:22] <robtone_> (you can use the filter target also in check_sender_access)
[14:38:43] <Evill> Hmm.
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[14:39:44] <Evill> If the message is already in the queue, how will postfix know which outbound smtp IP to use though?
[14:40:39] <Evill> Both types of email will come from the same mailfrom.
[14:41:37] <robtone_> why do you use the same mailfrom?
[14:42:22] <robtone_> however it should be possible to send on different IPs without having to use two postfix instances
[14:42:26] <Evill> Well, the user signs up to the site, receives registration emails from accounts at domain dot com.
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[14:42:50] <Evill> They will also receive newsletters from the same address (accounts at domain dot com).
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[14:43:23] <PcPixel> Does anyone know of a good statistics program/package for Postfix? something comperable to mailstat in sendmail?
[14:43:24] <Evill> But I want to send newsletters from a different (multihomed) IP, since they will be a mass email.
[14:44:08] <robtone_> Evill, can you specify a port?
[14:45:02] <Evill> robtone_: A port where?
[14:45:23] <robtone_> in your mail sending application
[14:45:41] <Evill> Well, they both currently use /usr/sbin/sendmail to do the job.
[14:45:46] <robtone_> "use the MTA localhost:2525
[14:46:07] <Evill> I can easily make them use different command-lines.
[14:46:10] <cpm> what is 2525 supposed to do for you?
[14:46:23] <Evill> But I don't see how that helps.
[14:46:25] <robtone_> Evill, I think since you have spent time on how to get a seconds postfix working, you should go your route
[14:46:30] <PcPixel> i tried using awstats on windows, but that failed miserably.
[14:46:46] <Evill> robtone_: Well, I haven't yet, I'm still trying to figure out how to achieve this.
[14:46:47] <robtone_> cpm, use the smtp_foo: transport
[14:47:24] <Evill> With my mail sending app, these emails will both end up in the same queue.
[14:47:51] <Evill> So when postfix goes to deliver them, it won't know the difference between the email types.
[14:47:58] <Evill> (At least as I understand it)
[14:48:16] <robtone_> Evill, postfix queuefiles are a bit more sophisticated
[14:50:14] <Evill> Okay.
[14:50:19] <robtone_> cpm, he could have a smtpd on 2525 which uses always smtp_foo: as transport
[14:50:43] <robtone_> however he uses local sendmail
[14:50:58] <robtone_> (he could use FILTER in header_checks
[14:51:29] <Evill> Assuming I did that, messages queued by smtpd on 2525 would "remember" that they need to be delivered via smtp_foo?
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[14:51:40] <robtone_> yes
[14:54:24] <Evill> Interesting.
[14:55:37] <Evill> So the queue must retain that info.
[14:55:50] <robtone_> is that your only worry?
[14:56:05] <Evill> Well, just trying to get my head around it.
[14:56:10] <Evill> It's hard to piece together from the docs.
[14:56:18] <robtone_> just trust wietse that he knows what to queue how and when
[14:56:20] <robtone_> :-)
[14:56:30] <Evill> Hehe.
[14:57:18] <Evill> Well, intuitively I thought that whatever config I used at maildrop time (ie. queuing), wouldn't necessarily affect final delivery.
[14:57:27] <robtone_> he does more support a postfix install with loads of smtpd and smtp master.cf entries then dual postfix installments
[14:57:49] <robtone_> s/then/than/
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[15:00:51] <Evill> Heh, I'm going to have to come back to this with a clear head.
[15:00:58] <Evill> Thanks, robtone_.
[15:01:58] <PcPixel> Does anyone have/know of a good statisticspackage for postfix like mailstats in sendmail?
[15:03:03] <Jense> PcPixel: http://www.mikecappella.com/logwatch/
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[15:05:20] <PcPixel> jense: ooh, that looks like what i need
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[15:13:10] <padde> PcPixel: perhaps pflogsumm
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[15:26:05] <lionel_> hello
[15:26:22] <lionel_> do you have some idea to boost postifix
[15:26:33] <lionel_> because it is to slowly
[15:27:01] <lionel_> he can delevery just 2000 mail on one hours
[15:28:47] <Nockian> upgrade your hardware
[15:30:00] <f3ew> why?
[15:30:28] <vice-versa> !docs
[15:30:28] <knoba> vice-versa: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[15:30:30] <vice-versa> see the Problem solving section, Bottleneck analysis & Performance tuning preferably in that order
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[15:46:23] <lionel_>  hours
[15:46:29] <lionel_> Nockian: core 2 duo Q8800 4GB ram and i'have 159410 Kbytes in 2577 Requests
[15:46:33] <lionel_> 2 Hours
[15:46:58] <Nockian> lionel_: what kind of disks and in what configuration?
[15:47:18] <Nockian> and yeah, read what vice-versa gave you for a URL
[15:50:50] <Edheldil> Hi, this is a bit off-topic, but does anybody have experience with statistical spam analysis on smarthost smtp servers? Something able to catch steep increase in emails sent from a single addtress or st. like that
[15:52:21] <Edheldil> or at least some pointers or URLs :)
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[16:03:14] <yajith> hi all,
[16:03:59] <yajith> is it possible to set mailbox_size_limit to individual users ?
[16:04:30] <cpm> mailbox_size_limit != quota.
[16:04:39] <jacekowski> cpm: ?
[16:04:45] <jacekowski> cpm: why not?
[16:05:17] <cpm> mailbox_size_limit is global. if you need quotas, you need quotas
[16:05:31] <yajith> cpm: what is the best way to have quotas with postfix ?
[16:05:34] <arkin> http://pastebin.com/me14f2f3
[16:05:39] <arkin> can someone help me debug this problem
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[16:06:18] <cpm> yajith, I don't do it anymore. used to use courier-imap/maildrop to set/enforce quotas.
[16:06:25] <arkin> is that problem caused by mysql or affecting mysql?
[16:07:42] <onre> it looks like your mysql server isn't up
[16:07:47] <onre> ps axuw|grep mysql
[16:07:51] <jacekowski> arkin: this is problem of you not reading error messages
[16:07:53] <arkin> mysql is definately running
[16:08:00] <arkin> jacekowski, no its not.
[16:08:12] <onre> well then it's maybe not listening to localhost ip, but unix socket only.
[16:08:14] <yajith> cpm: is that the best way arnd to do it.? i have heard about patching postfix, but hear its not v. good
[16:08:19] <onre> or external ip only.
[16:08:26] <arkin> onre: i'm connected through PHP locally no problem
[16:08:39] <arkin> I seem to have trouble using 127.0.0.1 IP address, it works in testing phase using 'localhost'
[16:08:41] <onre> does that use unix socket or tcp? and if tcp, which interface? :)
[16:08:47] <jacekowski> arkin: yes it is, you should try to connect with same credentials and same way as postfix does using mysql command
[16:08:57] <onre> when you use 'localhost', mysql client actually uses unix socket.
[16:08:59] <onre> i have no idea why.
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[16:09:06] <jacekowski> onre: it's faster
[16:09:08] <onre> i've been bitten by this back in the days and afaik it still does that.
[16:09:15] <arkin> hmm ok
[16:09:16] <arkin> mysql     2116  0.0  2.0 128796 21524 ?        Sl   Jun03   1:41 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-external-locking --port=3306 --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[16:09:19] <jacekowski> onre: if you want to use tcp then you should use 127.0.0.1
[16:09:22] <onre> jacekowski, but dammit, if i explicitly tell it to use 'localhost', then it should believe me :)
[16:09:36] <arkin> well thats the problem
[16:09:36] <vice-versa> arkin: is your postfix chrooted?
[16:09:39] <arkin> yes
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[16:09:51] <arkin> and when i use localhost, it cant access mysql.sock, so i try 127.0.0.1 and it fails
[16:10:03] <jacekowski> arkin: use netstat
[16:10:35] <arkin> tcp        0      0 venus.dk-inspired:mysql *:*                     LISTEN
[16:10:44] <arkin> and 3 others
[16:11:00] <jacekowski> mhm
[16:11:05] <jacekowski> did you checked iptables?
[16:12:07] <arkin> i havent really touched iptables
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[16:12:50] <onre> error number 111 is connection refused anyway, i think.
[16:13:13] <Edheldil> in php, 'localhost' means 'use unix socket'
[16:14:03] <arkin> any idea of the solution
[16:14:35] <arkin> do i link mysql.sock ?
[16:14:41] <vice-versa> arkin: see proxymap(8)
[16:16:58] <dogmeat> where does postfix keep it's mail files for users?
[16:17:51] <jacekowski> Edheldil: not in php
[16:18:00] <jacekowski> Edheldil: for all programs using libmysqlclient
[16:18:24] <jacekowski> onre: according to perror you are correct
[16:20:13] <arkin> but why would it refuse?
[16:20:49] <jacekowski> arkin: netstat -lpn | grep 3306
[16:21:28] <mwalling> dogmeat: where ever you tell it.
[16:21:50] <arkin> tcp        0      0 78.129.213.100:3306     0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     2116/mysqld
[16:22:04] <jacekowski> arkin: only this one?
[16:23:15] <arkin> yeah
[16:24:08] <jacekowski> so, now you should be able to fix this
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[16:25:09] <dogmeat> looked at /etc/postfix/main.cf, see line that says '/var/spool/' ... but looking there didn't help.
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[16:29:08] <mwalling> !home_mailbox
[16:29:09] <knoba> mwalling: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[16:29:12] <mwalling> !basic
[16:29:13] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[16:30:25] <arkin> so jacekowski, works now, but its bound to 127.0.0.1 and not an external ip..
[16:30:30] <arkin> guess i will just figure that out on my own
[16:30:30] <mwalling> !virtual_mailbox_base
[16:30:31] <knoba> mwalling: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
[16:30:47] <jacekowski> arkin: just remove that line bind-adress = .....
[16:34:54] <arkin> makes sense lol
[16:35:44] <jacekowski> i know
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[17:20:18] <MrPunkin> Hello all, how do I go ahead and ensure local delivery for the local addresses rather than relaying them up to our SMTP service and having it tell us they aren't authorized sending addresses?
[17:21:09] <mwalling> !local
[17:21:09] <knoba> mwalling: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd.
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[17:21:46] <ribasushi> hi
[17:22:09] <ribasushi> does the source tarball contain some example init.d script, or this is an exercise for the admin?
[17:22:15] <ribasushi> I can't find anything remotely close
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[17:24:38] <rob0> Hmmm, don't most SysVinit OS's package Postfix, along with an init.d script? If yours doesn't, you can grab the package from one of the many who do.
[17:24:59] <rob0> (and use the script as a starting point)
[17:25:23] <ribasushi> oh I have that
[17:25:27] <ribasushi> here is the reason I ask
[17:25:35] <rob0> Also, postfix(1) out of the box is ALMOST init.d compliant.
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[17:25:55] <ribasushi> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433660
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[17:26:23] <ribasushi> I'm the bug reporter
[17:26:33] <ribasushi> the maintainer claims that work is being done upstream
[17:26:41] <ribasushi> yet there is no init script to begin with
[17:26:46] <ribasushi> so I'm a bit confused...
[17:29:58] <rob0> Funny, I have seen you on the mailing list, but I don't think I have ever seen LaMont.
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[17:30:15] * cpm has never seen rob0
[17:31:02] * mwalling is blind
[17:31:36] <rob0> Love is blind
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[17:31:45] <shasta> ergo, mwalling is love
[17:32:04] <rob0> nonono, first, God is love
[17:32:14] <rob0> mwalling is God
[17:32:30] <mwalling> hehe
[17:32:56] <shasta> so we're all hate?
[17:33:06] <hans-christianan> i've got a postfix server which sends out mail to our mailing list. sometimes peoples accounts close down and you get a bounce which is returned to a local account on the postfix server. how would it be possible to have those then relay to another email address?
[17:33:12] <shasta> 'cause !mwalling = !love  =>  !mwalling = hate
[17:33:33] <mwalling> !alias
[17:33:33] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "alias" is not a valid command.
[17:33:47] <mwalling> !aliases
[17:33:47] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "aliases" is not a valid command.
[17:33:53] * mwalling kicks knoba
[17:34:00] <mwalling> !.forward
[17:34:00] <knoba> mwalling: Error: ".forward" is not a valid command.
[17:34:01] <Dominian> !virtual_alias
[17:34:02] <knoba> Dominian: "virtual_alias" : ... Mail loops back to myself means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[17:34:06] <rob0> !alias_maps
[17:34:06] <knoba> rob0: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.
[17:34:13] <Dominian> rob0++
[17:34:17] <mwalling> hans-christianan: ^^ that one
[17:34:44] <rob0> possibly either, possibly only virtual_alias_maps
[17:35:05] <mwalling> if you want me to help you in pm, i'll bill you.
[17:35:19] <mwalling> !alias
[17:35:19] <knoba> mwalling: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps
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[17:36:31] <as85> hi Guys, I am reading on backscatter spams
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[17:36:37] <as85> and i am not understanding one thing
[17:36:42] <as85> if i have catch all on
[17:36:48] <as85> then no email should bounce back
[17:36:49] <as85> right ?
[17:36:57] <jelly> as85: "quota full"
[17:37:07] <as85> they are going to /dev/null
[17:37:25] <Dominian> catchalls are a bad idea imho
[17:37:36] * cpm drives rob0  to catchall
[17:37:38] <as85> yeah but, that takes care of the backscatter spam right ?
[17:37:38] <rob0> You would indeed direct all your dictionary attacks to the catchall. /dev/null as a catchall is bad.
[17:37:42] <Dominian> and you open yourself.. not only to spammers.. but to a possible DoS
[17:38:00] <as85> how i am opening myself to spammers?
[17:38:01] <MrPunkin> Okay, so our emails like "root at ip-10-251-198-38 dot ec2.internal" are trying to be relayed even though they should be local delivery... heres a pastie though ouf our area that has local delivery settings... http://pastie.org/221166
[17:38:02] <jelly> as85: backscatter originating from you, yes
[17:38:05] <MrPunkin> anyone know what I'm missing?
[17:38:06] <rob0> lost mail, too (misspellings)
[17:38:11] <MrPunkin> I'm new to postfix too, if its not already obvious
[17:38:19] <rob0> !basic
[17:38:20] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:38:27] <Dominian> !rob0
[17:38:28] <knoba> Dominian: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[17:38:31] <as85> Dominian, can you please explain ?
[17:38:37] <Dominian> as85: explain what?
[17:38:48] <as85> (4:37:45 PM) Dominian: and you open yourself.. not only to spammers.. but to a possible DoS
[17:38:48] <Xcaliber009> !tutorial
[17:38:49] <knoba> Xcaliber009: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[17:38:54] <as85> how am I opening myself to spammers ?
[17:39:29] <as85> by using a catch all
[17:39:41] <Dominian> as85: what domain ? :)
[17:39:44] <as85> it all goes to /dev/null.. the server is secured as to be directly owned and used for spam
[17:39:51] <Dominian> uh huh
[17:39:58] <Dominian> get enough email.. server bogs down and everything screeches to a halt
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[17:40:05] <mwalling> incoming spammers, not relay spammers
[17:40:07] <Dominian> plus.. if you doing SA and antivirus scanning on all messages
[17:40:22] <as85> mwalling, still
[17:40:25] <Dominian> tag 25MB of attached data to each message.. your server will have loads of fun
[17:40:33] <as85> i dont do virus scanning
[17:40:39] <Dominian> heh
[17:40:41] <Dominian> bad!
[17:40:43] <mwalling> if you're sending mail to /dev/null, why are you running an MX?
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[17:40:52] * Dominian /dev/nulls mwalling
[17:40:53] <Dominian> :P
[17:41:00] <vice-versa> hehe, guess Xcaliber009 didn't care for our tutorial factoid
[17:41:02] <Dominian> mwalling: how's the house working out btw?!
[17:41:06] <Dominian> vice-versa: hah
[17:41:12] <mwalling> why accept mail thats going to /dev/null when you can reject it?
[17:41:13] <rob0> "The server is ... ... used for spam"?!?!?
[17:41:14] <as85> you guys are confusing me :-/
[17:41:24] <mwalling> Dominian: good
[17:41:28] <milligan> Same question as earlier. If you look at this: http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1214294113 . How come, when sending from mu.com server to god.com server, how come it says it's sending to itself ?
[17:41:28] <mwalling> Dominian: ants
[17:41:31] <as85> mwalling to avoid backscatter emails ?
[17:41:32] <Dominian> as85: its best to tel them "That user doesn't exist" than to "accept it"
[17:41:40] <Dominian> mwalling: Ortho home defense max.. works wonders.
[17:41:44] <mwalling> as85: if you reject at SMTP time, you wont backscatter
[17:41:50] <rob0> uncles
[17:41:56] <mwalling> Dominian: only if you dont apply the last of your jug 2 hours before a rain storm
[17:42:07] <mwalling> (i cant put it inside, cat)
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[17:42:27] <as85> mwalling, a tuto on how to set that ?
[17:42:32] <mwalling> !basic
[17:42:32] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[17:43:51] <as85> i don't find it in the wiki
[17:43:55] <as85> sure it is there ?
[17:43:59] <mwalling> !basic
[17:43:59] <Dominian> mwalling: hahah
[17:43:59] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:44:04] <Dominian> mwalling: I know how that feels man.
[17:44:12] <Dominian> mwalling: You spray it.. then "ahhh fsck.. RAIN!"
[17:44:17] <Dominian> been there done that.
[17:44:24] <Dominian> !tutorial
[17:44:24] <knoba> Dominian: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[17:44:42] <mwalling> Dominian: so, you comming back?
[17:45:32] <rob0> Yeah Dominian, I miss being able to gossip with you. There's always /msg to gossip ABOUT you. :)
[17:47:03] <rob0> MrPunkin: Postfix will not deliver to root, which IIRC is mentioned in !basic.
[17:47:10] * cpm msg's rob0 about Dominian
[17:47:13] <rob0> !default_privs
[17:47:14] <knoba> rob0: "default_privs" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default rights used by the local(8) delivery agent for delivery to external file or command. These rights are used when delivery is requested from an aliases(5) file that is owned by root, or when delivery is done on behalf of root. DO NOT SPECIFY A PRIVILEGED USER OR THE POSTFIX OWNER.
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[17:49:14] <neuonyx> is there a way to find out total messages in queue without running mailq |grep -i requests
[17:49:22] <neuonyx> without having to take time to go through all messages?
[17:49:26] <neuonyx> looking for something fast
[17:50:18] <rob0> if your mailq is that big, you have major problems
[17:51:24] <neuonyx> so there isn't then?
[17:51:36] <Hawson> So, I've got a query about .forward/alias loops.  There's a company mailhub that handles most delivery; I can neither make, nor want to, changes to this box.  I have a host name "saturn" running postfix that does various processing, and sends updates via email.  I want to send mail from "hawson at domain dot com" to someaddress@saturn, and have it get delivered to multiple address at domain dot com addresses.
[17:52:18] <Hawson> I've tried using both aliases and .forwards on saturn, but in both cases, I get an "Unknown address error 554-'Error: too many hops'" error from the main mail hub.
[17:53:06] <Hawson> Looknig at the postfix logs, there are a long series of connectiosn between my host, and the mail hub, presumably sending the same message back and forth
[17:53:50] <rob0> Maybe ls(1) or find(1) in the queue directories, those might be faster. But you need to identify and FIX the problem.
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[17:54:11] <Hawson> This seems like a pretty straightforward thing to do, and I wonder if I'm missing something obvious?
[17:54:23] <neuonyx> rob0: there is no problem
[17:54:57] <neuonyx> queue usually (purposefully) has 500K messages in it
[17:55:13] <cpm> repeat after me, , , There is no problem, there never was a problem
[17:55:31] <rob0> There is no problem, there never was a problem
[17:56:02] <MrPunkin> rob0: so what do I do to keep local delivery to root, or even mailer-daemon isn't working either.
[17:56:04] <neuonyx> lol
[17:56:19] <rob0> We are allies of Eurasia. Eastasia is our enemy. We have always been at war with Eastasia; Eurasia is our enemy.
[17:56:29] <Hawson> heh
[17:57:17] <rob0> MrPunkin: try another MTA. Postfix WILL NOT deliver to root as root. Ever.
[17:58:06] <MrPunkin> rob0: so is there a way to just cancel the local delivery for root alltogether then? I don't check the root maildir
[18:00:47] <mwalling> !alias_maps
[18:00:47] <knoba> mwalling: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.
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[18:03:00] <cpm> it's been announced that fuel ration is to be increased to , ,
[18:03:39] <cpm> In honor of this massive overfulfillment of the ninth three-year plan.the price of fuel has dropped to $212 a barrel
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[18:08:09] <mwalling> /o\
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[18:13:14] <rob0> Postfix is happy to use aliases(5) to deliver to a human user, as !basic tells us, and the treachery of Goldstein's spies will be exposed!
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[18:37:32] <Avenger_> what I have to do to block a specific domain in postfix?
[18:38:18] <shasta> first, you have to rephrase your question, more precisely asking for what you want to achieve
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[18:41:15] <Hawson> rob0: was the aliases comment directed at me?
[18:42:25] <Avenger_> I have to block all mail that come from a certain domain
[18:42:33] <MrPunkin> mwalling: I have alias_maps setup, what do I need to check for there to make sure root is deliverable or not even attempted or whatever?
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[18:43:27] <shasta> Avenger, you mean, block emails sent to you with envelope MAIL FROM:<anybody at certain dot domain>?
[18:43:31] <Dominian> !access
[18:43:31] <knoba> Dominian: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[18:43:37] <shasta> then check_sender_access
[18:44:06] <Dominian> hmm is that a factoid?
[18:44:11] <Dominian> !check_sender_access
[18:44:11] <knoba> Dominian: "check_sender_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the MAIL FROM address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[18:44:15] <Dominian> ahh yes i tis
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[18:45:55] <mwalling> MrPunkin: see lines 11 and 12 of the distributed aliases file
[18:49:45] <rob0> check_sender_access is rarely effective, and often unsafe, in dealing with spam. But we don't even know what the issue is ...
[18:49:56] <rob0> Hawson: ...
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[18:50:25] <rob0> "Too many hops", add more malt to your mix.
[18:50:38] <rob0> !too_many_hops
[18:50:39] <knoba> rob0: "too_many_hops" : In brewing, it means you should add more barley. In Postfix it means you have a mail routing loop. No machine in the loop considers itself the final destination for the looping mail.
[18:51:09] <tsh_> Hrm, can anyone help me understand what is going on here: http://rafb.net/p/6K5Cjw72.html ?
[18:51:13] <tsh_> I keep getting a lot of errors..
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[18:51:48] <rob0> DNS is used for mail routing, so "saturn" in hosts(5) won't work.
[18:51:53] <rob0> !transport_maps
[18:51:54] <knoba> rob0: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[18:52:07] <rob0> (Or better yet, set up your own local DNS.)
[18:53:18] <MrPunkin> mwalling: is the distributed aliases file the /etc/aliases or whatever? I have a postfix install that I didn't do myself on our server so I'm curious where I see the distributed aliases file
[18:54:32] <mwalling> look in the source tarball then.
[18:56:29] <MrPunkin> Okay
[18:57:01] <Hawson> rob0: I actually have my own local DNS running, and it's already used by saturn (bind runs on saturn)
[18:57:18] <Hawson> local delivery works as expected
[18:57:42] <Hawson> it is only when an "external" address sends mail to the alias that I have problems.
[18:58:48] <tsh_> Anyone ?
[18:59:11] <Hawson> so I have an alias foo at saturn dot domain.com that expands to hawson at domain dot com and other addresses.   I send mail to that address from hawson at domain dot com, and I get the too many hops message.
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[19:00:32] <Bagualas> Its possible to translate the successful Mail Delivery report? like this message:  "Your message was sucessfully delivered to the destination(s) listed below..."
[19:02:17] <sysmonk> Bagualas: bounce(5) has info about it
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[19:02:24] <sysmonk> you're interested in bounce_template_file
[19:02:29] <sysmonk> !bounce_template_file
[19:02:29] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "bounce_template_file" is not a valid command.
[19:03:04] <sysmonk> eh, anyway, read the man page, it has the info
[19:03:10] <rampageoberon> Hi, how can I get postfix mail server to authenticate unix users and then enable relay for them?
[19:04:02] <mwalling> !sasl
[19:04:03] <sysmonk> !sasl
[19:04:03] <knoba> mwalling: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[19:04:04] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[19:04:04] <sysmonk> rampageoberon: ^^
[19:04:07] <Bagualas> sysmonk, thanks man!
[19:04:08] <sysmonk> mwalling: :P
[19:04:11] <rampageoberon> thanks sysmonk
[19:04:13] <mwalling> ... i win
[19:04:17] <sysmonk> mwalling: yup
[19:04:26] <mwalling> but you get the thanks.
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[19:04:34] <mwalling> wth kinda wold is this
[19:04:39] * sysmonk forwards the tomatoes to mwalling
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[19:05:01] <cpm> mmm, tomatoes
[19:05:12] <rampageoberon> hehe, thanks mwalling :)
[19:05:24] <mwalling> salminola/
[19:05:32] <jeev> anyone run amavisd-new's dkim system yet ?
[19:05:43] <sysmonk> nah, but thought of trying it out
[19:05:48] <jeev> hmm
[19:05:52] <jeev> i dont get the documentation
[19:06:00] <jeev> on one hand, it says i need this software
[19:06:03] <jeev> on the other hand, it doesn't meantion it
[19:06:07] <mwalling> its on my todo list, does that count?
[19:06:43] <jeev> http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/release-notes.txt under "A QUICK START TO DKIM SIGNING" and then http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html "Setting up DKIM mail signing and verification"
[19:06:47] <jeev> no mwalling
[19:07:09] <sysmonk> jeev: don't you think it's more a question to the #amavis guys ?
[19:07:42] <jeev> dont you think i'm in there? :D
[19:07:53] <jeev> i forgot to paste it
[19:07:53] <jeev> haha
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[19:09:56] <usar> is there any way to let the postfix SMTP client use TLS?
[19:10:02] <usar> (hi :))
[19:10:06] <sysmonk> usar: sure
[19:10:29] <sysmonk> usar: smtp_use_tls
[19:10:31] <rob0> !tls
[19:10:31] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[19:10:42] <rob0> !tls_readme
[19:10:43] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[19:10:43] <sysmonk> !TLS_README
[19:10:43] <knoba> sysmonk: "TLS_README" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[19:10:51] <sysmonk> damn, you're first rob0 :)
[19:11:04] <sysmonk> i'm laggy today ;/
[19:11:21] <sysmonk> must be all that vodka for 4 days
[19:11:23] <mwalling> !basic
[19:11:23] <rob0> up arrow, _readme <enter>
[19:11:24] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[19:11:27] <usar> oh, that describes how to get it to work for the client, too? must have missed that, sorry
[19:11:32] <mwalling> :)
[19:11:42] <rob0> it's all there, yes.
[19:12:07] <sysmonk> rob0: then you're sooo slow :P
[19:12:17] <sysmonk> it took you 10 seconds to press up arrow and type _readme
[19:12:26] <jeev> face it, you lost.
[19:12:33] <rob0> It's a severe caffeine deficiency.
[19:12:40] <sysmonk> heh
[19:12:43] <rob0> for both of us perhaps
[19:12:46] <sysmonk> i need some caffeine
[19:12:54] <sysmonk> but i'll only get it tomorrow
[19:13:02] <jeev> caffeine sucks
[19:13:06] <sysmonk> oh, and also i'll get two books from some guy i helped here
[19:13:12] <sysmonk> absolute freebsd and the book of pf
[19:13:14] <jeev> sysmonk
[19:13:19] <jeev> you could have all the books you want
[19:13:21] <jeev> you still have 15"
[19:13:36] <sysmonk> jeev: maybe that's why i like paper books
[19:13:46] <jeev> hahah
[19:13:50] <jeev> cause pdf's are too small on your screen
[19:14:13] <sysmonk> atleast i understand what's written in those books, and you dont
[19:14:13] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:14:31] <sysmonk> so, face it, 24" screen doesn't make you smart
[19:14:32] <sysmonk> ;PPP
[19:14:47] <sysmonk> nor does it make your c*ck look bigger ;P read the spam!
[19:14:52] <jeev> what makes you think i dont understand
[19:15:18] * rob0 has 19" + 22" (both widescreen)
[19:15:27] <sysmonk> rob0: nah, it's personal between us
[19:15:27] <sysmonk> ;P
[19:15:31] <jeev> i have so many monitors, doesn't mean anything rob!
[19:15:37] * sysmonk has his 15"
[19:15:38] <jeev> if i had room on my desk, i'd plug the 3 brand new 19's i have in my car
[19:15:40] <sysmonk> and a 17" at work
[19:15:57] <sysmonk> and a 19" CRT but it sucks
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[19:16:37] <sysmonk> need to buy myself some brand new lcd, but don't want to do it right now
[19:16:50] <sysmonk> i'll do it in half a year/year when i'll move to a new flat
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[19:17:26] <sysmonk> maybe i'll have a bigger screen at work by that time :P
[19:18:07] <jeev> flat
[19:18:08] <jeev> haha
[19:18:12] <jeev> hehe
[19:19:16] <sysmonk> ...
[19:19:29] <jeev> yo're a dork
[19:19:36] <sysmonk> thank you thank you
[19:19:56] <jduggan> flat is so british
[19:19:59] <jduggan> :)
[19:20:20] <sysmonk> i don't know how it's called in english
[19:20:27] <jeev> house
[19:20:28] <jeev> apartment
[19:20:29] <jeev> condo
[19:20:35] <jeev> ?
[19:20:37] <jeev> loft
[19:20:39] <jeev> who knows
[19:20:41] <sysmonk> aparment
[19:20:56] <rob0> Flat is the Mississippi delta, which I am on the edge of. Miles and miles, no hills, all the way from here to the Gulf of Mexico.
[19:21:15] <jeev> heh
[19:21:45] <sysmonk> rob0: remind me to hate jeev
[19:22:09] <rob0> You're evil, you need no reminder.
[19:22:23] * jeev claps his hands, LETS GO
[19:22:26] <jeev> lets fix this dkim problem!
[19:22:52] <rob0> That means equal opportunity hate, sysmonk must hate ALL, regardless of race, creed, or color of underwear.
[19:23:13] <jeev> he even hates women who wear thongs
[19:23:15] <jeev> but loves men who do
[19:23:16] <sysmonk> except those funky females
[19:23:33] <jeev> funky = excessively fat?
[19:23:52] <sysmonk> ...
[19:24:31] <sysmonk> nevermind, i'll better ignore it, sometimes people go to far
[19:24:36] <jeev> hahaha
[19:24:43] <jeev> dood, from what i pasted for amavisd-new
[19:24:50] <jeev> do you think i have to set up the dkim daemon also
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[19:24:53] <jeev> i thought they had built it in..
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[19:25:21] <rob0> I'm sure amavisd-new does not have a built-in DKIM feature.
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[19:25:46] <sysmonk> rob0: newest one has some kind of dkim stuff in it, but didn't look at it yet
[19:25:55] <jeev> A QUICK START TO DKIM SIGNING by the end of this release note;
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[19:26:04] <rob0> oh hmmm, ok
[19:26:08] <sysmonk> jeev: #amavis
[19:26:13] <jeev> i have
[19:26:13] <jeev> damnit
[19:26:16] <jeev> eric quailand!
[19:26:17] <sysmonk> it's not #postfix question
[19:26:17] <jeev> hahah
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[19:26:21] <sysmonk> it's #amavis question
[19:26:22] <cpm> can haz amavis?
[19:26:23] <rob0> I'm sure amavisd-new FORMERLY did not have a built-in DKIM feature. :)
[19:26:32] <jeev> haha rob
[19:26:33] <sysmonk> rob0: yeah :)
[19:26:39] <jeev> sysmonk
[19:26:44] <jeev> what monitor did you have before your 15"
[19:26:50] <sysmonk> 06-24 20:26:45 Ignoring ALL from jeev
[19:27:23] <jeev> someone tell him i said that that sucks
[19:27:38] <cpm> so, if a 19" monitor leaves Chicago, moving at 1280x1024, and a 21" monitor leaves NY
[19:28:16] <jeev> lol
[19:28:25] <jeev> where will they meet?
[19:28:31] <jeev> not at sysmonk's flat!
[19:28:59] <shasta> sysmonk, so you find him irritating too? :)
[19:29:13] <jeev> heh
[19:29:23] <sysmonk> shasta: yes, first i though he's joking, but if he was - he's going to far
[19:29:27] <sysmonk> that is - to much
[19:29:52] <sysmonk> he didn't say anything worthy while i was sitting here, only junk
[19:30:01] <jeev> of course i have
[19:30:05] <jeev> i've helped many people
[19:30:19] <mwalling> all of you knock it the fsck off
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[19:30:39] * rob0 looks for a fsck
[19:30:45] * cpm sits quietly
[19:30:55] <cpm> while rummaging around for his spork
[19:31:07] <rob0> Does anyone give a fsck?
[19:31:20] <rob0> yes, spork time indeed
[19:31:36] <rob0> Sporks at thirty paces!
[19:32:14] <cpm> fsck that!
[19:32:27] * cpm jumps on rob0 with a spork and has a go
[19:32:39] <cpm> preemptive sporking
[19:32:44] <rob0> ow, that tickles!
[19:32:48] <cpm> I am the decider!
[19:32:58] <cpm> or is that de-sider? I can never tell
[19:33:12] <cpm> I need the siding pulled off my house, hoping to offer dubya a job
[19:33:14] <rob0> Spork barrel spending.
[19:33:18] <cpm> Ouch!
[19:33:23] * cpm takes -4
[19:34:02] <Hawson> cpm: hhe
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[19:40:25] <adaptr> why is there no smoke ?
[19:41:47] <adaptr> I demand smoke with my flames!
[19:41:55] <adaptr> oh well
[19:42:01] * adaptr smokes one
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[19:43:40] <Edheldil> Hi, this is a bit off-topic, but does anybody have experience/urls with statistical spam analysis on smarthost smtp servers? Something able to catch steep increase in emails sent from a single addtress or st. like that
[19:44:45] <adaptr> your eyeballs would be perfect for that task
[19:44:56] <adaptr> it's the non-obvious that gets you every time
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[19:48:55] <cpm> yeah, me kinda reviews the logs
[19:49:45] <cpm> there is always greylisting, using something like sqlgrey, and you could get reports against the database, but no, browsing the logs is good enough for us luddites
[19:49:50] <adaptr> that explains a lot, actually
[19:50:14] <adaptr> erm.. mailgraph does perfectly fine SA scoring
[19:50:22] <adaptr> and there are cacti templates
[19:50:27] <adaptr> and there's pflogsumm
[19:50:30] <adaptr> and
[19:50:31] <adaptr> and
[19:50:48] <adaptr> iBALLZ
[19:51:13] <sysmonk> hmmm, cacti templates? haven't looked into those
[19:51:48] <adaptr> it needs some twiddling, but it has rather hot stats :)
[19:51:55] <Edheldil> well, I was hoping for something which would work on postfix logs, but I will look into mailgraph
[19:51:57] <adaptr> it gets me motor revving ! :P
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[19:52:08] <adaptr> Edheldil: EVERYTHIGN works on postfix logs, dumbass!
[19:52:19] <adaptr> where d'ya thunk it comes from...
[19:52:40] <Edheldil> even SA? :)
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[19:53:12] <rob0> !pflogsumm
[19:53:12] <knoba> rob0: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html
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[19:53:40] <rob0> pflogsumm does show per-host totals
[19:53:48] <adaptr> Edheldil: yes, obviously SA, as that also logs in mail logs
[19:53:59] <adaptr> Edheldil: at least, amavis does
[19:54:07] <empiric> hi all i have my private and public certificates i want to sign and encryot my all emails do i need to configure my postfix for that or encrypt my emails is enough
[19:54:35] <adaptr> empiric: postifx does not touch you rmail content; you'll have to use a client that uses encryption
[19:54:44] <adaptr> POSTIFIX yay!
[19:54:48] <adaptr> damn I wish I could type
[19:54:50] <empiric> ok sure
[19:54:54] <Edheldil> heh
[19:54:57] <empiric> thanks
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[20:00:17] <Edheldil> thanks for the pointers, I will look at them
[20:00:48] <adaptr> google postfix cacti template, you'll hit it
[20:01:09] <adaptr> ...or just go to mailgraph.org, or wherever it's hiding
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[20:40:37] <robtone_> can one use a restriction class in header_checks results?
[20:42:17] <robtone_> hm, probably not, at least header_checks don't mention restriction classes
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[20:42:31] <rob0> yes, pretty sure you can
[20:43:05] <guenther> Hey, folks, got a little problem here.
[20:43:26] <guenther> Postfix is running locally, after the mail has been retrieved by fetchmail.
[20:43:52] <guenther> Now, I'm getting strange error messages about one msg being stuck deferred in the queue:
[20:44:07] <guenther> postfix/smtp[20791]: 000091068A3: lost connection with mx0.gmx.net[213.165.64.100] while receiving the initial server greeting
[20:44:33] <robtone_> rob0, can you have a look at www.ek-muc.de/example1.txt?
[20:44:38] <guenther> Why is it talking to the sending MX at all? And how do I get the mails out of the queue?
[20:45:02] <rob0> robtone_, 404 :)
[20:45:04] <guenther> postfix/qmgr[24466]: 308341068CC: from=<>, size=2330, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[20:45:12] <guenther> looks like a bounce, btw...
[20:45:25] <rob0> looks like a bounce or DSN, yes
[20:45:25] <robtone_> rob0, I'm tying to solve Evill's issue of sending with different IPs, one (simple method) is based on port submission, the other, clumsy, is based on - I am not sure
[20:45:33] <guenther> But at least the sender is a human. I know that for sure. ;)
[20:45:34] <robtone_> rob0, oh, sorry
[20:45:41] <robtone_> rob0, can you have a look at www.ek-muc.de/~robtone/example1.txt?
[20:47:26] <robtone_> Evill, you might also have a look at www.ek-muc.de/~robtone/example1.txt (the first mehtod works, have tested it)
[20:47:33] <rob0> extra -o in the smtp2 transport, might have broken the syslog_name
[20:47:49] <robtone_> oups
[20:49:29] <rob0> file /path/to/header_based_smtp.pcre ... target snd_via_smtp2 should be send...
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[20:50:47] <guenther> SMTP error: 552 5.3.4 Message size exceeds fixed limit
[20:50:49] <robtone_> err, send_via_smtp2
[20:51:00] <guenther> Ugh. That's in my *local* deferred... :-(
[20:51:02] <robtone_> rob0, did youmention snd vs send?
[20:52:14] <guenther> So I am trying to send a failure notice back. And the other MX just drops the connection, because this is a dynamic IP...
[20:55:21] * guenther sighs
[20:55:53] <guenther> Ignore this, please. Fixicated. Need to take care about the bad limit when I got some time.
[20:56:27] <rob0> In my days of using fetchmail (LONG ago), I used "mda" to send to procmail, didn't use SMTP.
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[21:02:53] <cpm> fixicated? or fixitated?
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[21:46:29] <guenther> rob0: This is pretty much distro default, except for a very few adjustments. Most notably using procmail as LDA. Never knew about such a setting as you mentioned -- will have a look at that soon, thanks.
[21:47:25] <guenther> cpm: Noticed what this issue is about, understand it (I hope), and since I don't need to send out these bounces... removed them. ;)
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[22:04:51] <milligan> Same question as earlier. If you look at this: http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1214294113 . How come, when sending from mu.com server to god.com server, how come it says: mail for i.mu.com loops back to myself
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[22:18:10] <rob0> i.mu.com.               600     IN      A       82.98.86.169 (there is no MX)
[22:18:12] <rob0> god.com.                7200    IN      MX      10 mail.medialogik.com.
[22:18:19] <rob0> mail.medialogik.com has address 72.51.27.2
[22:18:35] <milligan> the urls are obfuscated.
[22:18:41] <milligan> use the info I pasted :)
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[22:19:13] <rob0> Well, this is why we have example.TLD in all TLD's.
[22:20:06] <rob0> What are you asking?
[22:20:09] <milligan> I tried using that earlier, but it gets confusing since there are two domains in question.
[22:20:10] <rob0> !loopback
[22:20:10] <knoba> rob0: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[22:20:43] <rob0> "i.mu.com" points to you in DNS, but is not configured as per ^^
[22:20:47] <milligan> how can that be a loopback, when i.mu.com has its own MX record ?
[22:21:46] <rob0> What line of that paste showed MX for i.mu.com ?
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[22:22:31] <milligan> ops
[22:23:35] <milligan> http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1214294113
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[22:27:11] <rob0> Again, what is the question?
[22:27:34] <milligan> Why does mu.com think it's responsible for i.mu.com ?
[22:28:04] <devdas> !parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[22:28:05] <knoba> devdas: "parent_domain_matches_subdomains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What Postfix features use "domain.tld matches sub.domain.tld" style pattern matching instead of ".domain.tld matches any subdomain". This is planned backwards compatibility: eventually, all Postfix features are expected to require explicit ".domain.tld" style patterns when you really want to match subdomains.
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[22:28:15] <rob0> "mail for i.mu.com loops back to myself"
[22:28:42] <rob0> the mail appears to be for "i.mu.com"
[22:29:10] <milligan> yes. And I tried adding "parent_domain_matches_subdomains = " to the bottom of my postfix, without any luck
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[22:31:18] <milligan> the mail _is_ for i.mu.com .. but the server at mu.com thinks it's for itself.
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[22:45:59] <milligan> Any ideas?
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[22:48:55] <rob0> !debug
[22:48:56] <knoba> rob0: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[22:49:32] <rob0> "postconf -n" & real, unmunged logs
[22:49:37] <milligan> I think parent_domain_matches_subdomains is what I'm after.. but I'm having a hard time understanding what the explanatory text is saying.
[22:49:50] <rob0> postconf parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[22:50:37] <milligan> f3ew told me earlier that my mailserver wasn't even checking for an mx record, because the parent domain matched the mailserver itself.
[22:50:44] <milligan> or something like that
[22:51:02] <rob0> Also, if you're not using the relay domain class, do "postconf -e 'relay_domains='".
[22:51:11] <milligan> parent_domain_matches_subdomains = debug_peer_list,fast_flush_domains,mynetworks,permit_mx_backup_networks,qmqpd_authorized_clients,relay_domains,smtpd_access_maps
[22:51:38] <rob0> That doesn't look unset, to me.
[22:52:09] <milligan> parent_domain_matches_subdomains =
[22:52:11] <milligan> it is now.
[22:52:48] <milligan> problem persists though
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[22:55:14] <adaptr> milligan: your MX records, and the parent machine's $myorigin
[22:55:42] <adaptr> mu.com MX points to serverA, i.mu.com runs on serverB
[22:55:51] <milligan> correct
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[22:56:08] <adaptr> the *serverA* $myorigin should be set to the *domain*; debian sets it to the hostname by default
[22:56:29] <adaptr> it can work, it depends, but for subdomains you handle elsewhere it's a disaster
[22:56:40] <adaptr> because it makes serverA greedy
[22:56:57] <milligan> any better way to solve the problem ?
[22:56:58] <adaptr> is there an MX record for i.mu.com ?
[22:57:03] <milligan> yes
[22:57:13] <adaptr> and it points to serverB?
[22:57:17] <milligan> yes
[22:57:26] <adaptr> then greediness is indeed the issue
[22:57:44] <adaptr> postconf mydestination please
[22:57:59] <milligan> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
[22:58:12] <adaptr> is this serverA or serverB ?
[22:58:15] <milligan> a
[22:58:16] <rob0> it's relay_domains, the default is $mydestination
[22:58:22] <rob0> I already told him this
[22:58:26] <adaptr> oh
[22:58:48] <milligan> what should relay domains be set to ?
[22:58:52] <adaptr> but that won't cause serverA to re-deliver to itself, it will relay, not receive
[22:58:58] <adaptr> empty, usually
[22:58:58] <rob0> scroll UP AND SEE
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[23:00:13] <rob0> ^ & C
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[23:01:16] <milligan> set relay_domains to empty, and still the same problem
[23:01:58] <rob0> 20:49 < rob0> "postconf -n" & real, unmunged logs
[23:03:18] <milligan> http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1214341471
[23:03:26] <adaptr> :52:54, for me... your clock is wonky
[23:03:44] <rob0> huh? We're running ntpd here.
[23:04:08] <rob0> localhost: stratum 2, offset 0.001512, synch distance 0.040443
[23:04:08] <rob0> ntp.your.org: stratum 1, offset -0.000004, synch distance 0.000482, refid 'CDMA'
[23:04:45] <shasta> [22:49:34] < rob0> "postconf -n" & real, unmunged logs
[23:04:50] <shasta> 2:1 for rob0
[23:05:38] * rob0 is a time freak
[23:06:05] <adaptr> fsck
[23:06:29] <adaptr> I forgot that I switched off my server with bad RAM to replace it, and this machine was pointed at that one...
[23:06:41] <adaptr> the rest is pointed at one that does have sync
[23:06:46] <adaptr> laughs on me
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[23:08:40] <rob0> We were laughing behind your back anyway, so no sweat.
[23:10:19] <adaptr> that's hardly any fun at all - how will I ever be part of a flamewar that way ?
[23:11:09] <milligan> Come on boys. Concentrate. I'm still struggeling here.
[23:11:38] <adaptr> you're still not providing actual info , either
[23:11:45] <adaptr> perhaps the two are somehow related ?
[23:11:52] <rob0> Sucks to be you.
[23:12:29] <milligan> what info is missing ?
[23:12:46] <adaptr> anyways, how do you know we'm all boys ? I've never seen rob0 - he might have a D-cup , or be female, for all I know
[23:13:11] * adaptr does it in the face, not around the back
[23:13:20] <rob0> :)
[23:13:24] <milligan> I've never seen a chick that's into email. Might have been a sexist conclusion I pulled. My appologies.
[23:13:54] <rob0> We have a female regular participant here. But only one that I know of.
[23:14:00] <adaptr> heh
[23:14:03] <adaptr> that you know of
[23:14:19] <rob0> only one who 'fessed up
[23:16:32] <Edheldil> my colleague doing postmaster before me was a rather pretty (*) Bulgariean girl :)
[23:16:50] <Edheldil>  (*) rather pretty for a postmaster, that is :)
[23:17:58] <adaptr> you mean, she had only a small moustache ?
[23:18:18] <milligan> so.. adaptr .. rob0, what kind of info are you missing to be able to aid me any further ?
[23:18:45] <adaptr> :05:20 < rob0> 20:49 < rob0> "postconf -n" & real, unmunged logs
[23:18:56] <milligan> http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1214341471
[23:19:25] <rob0> And credit card info.
[23:19:34] <milligan> :)
[23:19:49] <rob0> There are some oddities in the postconf ...
[23:19:49] <Edheldil> adaptr: nah, she was actually rather nice and passably pretty girl
[23:19:52] <adaptr> myhostname = www.domain.tld
[23:20:04] <rob0> 1. no mydestination (uses default)
[23:20:14] <milligan> Not falling for that one again. Some guys from Nigeria emailed me asking for my bankaccount so they could give me some money.
[23:20:19] <adaptr> virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf
[23:20:22] <rob0> 2. Version appears to be 2.2.10, but ...
[23:20:27] <adaptr> VMD is *not* a map
[23:20:36] <rob0> 3. Dovecot SASL wasn't available until 2.3.x
[23:20:45] <adaptr> yeah it's a total mess
[23:20:55] <rob0> and without LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[23:20:57] <adaptr> I doubt it's even functional
[23:21:04] <adaptr> myhostname = www.domain.tld
[23:21:05] <rob0> it's utterly useless information
[23:21:15] <Edheldil> milligan: why not, I have already got several hundreds $$$ (DOLLARS!) from A BARRISTER OF A LATE KING OF URUMBURUMBU
[23:21:27] <adaptr> also, postconf -n containing command_dir ? WHY
[23:21:36] <adaptr> pretty shitty distro, then
[23:21:58] <milligan> the server is working pretty good to be honest... except for this greedyness problem as you mentioned it.
[23:22:22] <adaptr> that server is a disaster waiting to happen, IFF that is actual, real information
[23:22:26] <adaptr> it isn't
[23:22:29] <rob0> at least 3 things in the config could be "wonky" as adaptr's clock
[23:22:49] <adaptr> damn, good point - I'll resync before I scream idiot again
[23:23:28] <rob0> 1. transport_maps 2. virtual_mailbox_domains 3. virtual_alias_maps (which is the default for virtual_alias_domains too)
[23:24:27] <rob0> Could even be the content_filter, for that matter. No way to know.
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[23:29:50] <milligan> Hah. I found the problem myself. :D Thanks for helping out though
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[23:31:19] <adaptr> I wouldn't tell us either... it's bound to be fuckig embarrassing
[23:32:08] <mwalling> milligan: what was the problem?
[23:32:12] <mwalling> i'm having a similar issue?
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[23:32:46] <mjf> Hello.
[23:32:56] <milligan> It is fucking embarrassing :)
[23:33:14] <jeev> lets all form a jeev coalition and get DKIM running
[23:33:32] <mjf> I configured postfix as a relayhost = <somehost> and I am getting these delivery notifications... how do I get rid of them?
[23:35:16] <adaptr> if you configured postfix as a relayhost then you should not be getting DSNs - they are sent back to the sender
[23:36:08] <adaptr> but the question itself is vague
[23:36:30] <adaptr> if you configure postfix AS a relayhost then postfix is a relayhost for someone *else*
[23:36:41] <adaptr> and you don't set a relayhost
[23:36:50] <adaptr> if you have set a relayhost then postfix is not the relay
[23:36:56] <adaptr> it relay TO the relayhost
[23:37:17] <adaptr> but the sender is still the same
[23:37:33] <mjf> my config looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/2uAiX964.txt
[23:37:42] <adaptr> so unless your postfix is also the primary MX for the sender addresses,m you should not get DSNs for messages you relayed
[23:38:10] <mjf> I am on NAT and I use postfix instead of real smarthosts, such as nullmailer...
[23:38:15] <adaptr> but if it is, then talking about  relaying only confuddles the whole issue
[23:38:29] <adaptr> also not related in any meaningful way
[23:38:34] <adaptr> are you a spammer ?
[23:38:46] <mjf> no
[23:38:49] <mjf> ?
[23:38:54] <mjf> why?
[23:38:57] <mjf> really not
[23:39:00] <mjf> !
[23:39:04] <adaptr> nullmailer is a mass mailer, is it not ?
[23:39:33] <mwalling> !basic
[23:39:34] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[23:39:41] <mwalling> !standard
[23:39:41] <knoba> mwalling: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[23:39:50] <mwalling> Nickste: logs? did you read http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html and  http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[23:39:52] <jeev> !dkim
[23:39:53] <knoba> jeev: Error: "dkim" is not a valid command.
[23:39:53] <mwalling> er
[23:39:55] <mwalling> crapping putty
[23:40:03] <adaptr> see ? you have no clue what you're talking about, and you confuse everybody (well, me - but it's the same thing, obviously)
[23:40:19] <adaptr> jeev: dkim is for homozexuals
[23:40:24] <jeev> liar
[23:40:25] <jeev> dont lie
[23:40:31] <adaptr> use SPF and a decent spam solution
[23:40:43] <jeev> adaptr, i'm trying to impliment outgoing dkim
[23:40:50] <jeev> so when yahoo's cock suckin servers upgrade
[23:40:54] <jeev> they stop deferring my shit
[23:41:01] <mjf> I just wonder why the option smtpd_discard_ehlo_keyword_address_maps does not work for me...
[23:41:01] <adaptr> in other words, submit to microsucks demands ?
[23:41:07] <mwalling> watch your language.
[23:41:21] <mjf> it did not stopped postfix to send the DSNs
[23:41:31] <mjf> but according to docu it should
[23:41:39] <adaptr> mjf: perhaps that's because it has nothing to do with DSNs
[23:42:08] <mjf> adaptr: ok... so what are the delivery notification messages my postfix is sending?
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[23:42:17] <adaptr> I have no idea, obviously
[23:42:26] <adaptr> pastebin one or two, including the relevant logs
[23:43:05] <mjf> ok
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[23:49:01] <mjf> this is the message I obtain http://rafb.net/p/mmA8J134.txt
[23:49:38] <mwalling> !tutorial
[23:49:39] <knoba> mwalling: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[23:49:44] <mwalling> Nickste: ^^ :)
[23:49:54] <Nickste> thanks mwalling :P
[23:50:00] <mwalling> Nickste: trust me, do it right, you'll have a lot more fun, and knowlege when it breaks
[23:50:04] * mwalling heads home
[23:51:00] <rob0> !dsn
[23:51:01] <knoba> rob0: "dsn" : Delivery Status Notifications - See: http://linuxnet.ca/postfix/docs/DSN_README.html
[23:51:07] <mjf> knoba: I read this
[23:51:22] <mjf> knoba: and I set it up according to what's written there
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[23:51:34] <adaptr> Received: from [CENSORED_IP.232] (helo=CENSORED)
[23:51:45] <adaptr> unless you work for the NSA, stop fucking around
[23:51:56] <adaptr> paste actual information or figure it out for yourself
[23:52:05] <rob0> And if you DO, you don't belong here
[23:52:07] <Nickste> Sooo. I'm using a documentation (http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix).. and I'm able to receive emails using imap and tls, however, I can't send emails. The logs show nothing when I try and connect from my email app (tls enabled). An nmap scan shows ports 143 and 993 open, and postfix IS running :P. Any ideas?
[23:52:10] <adaptr> if you DO work for the NSA, heh
[23:52:23] <adaptr> loohoo-hooseh-eh-her
[23:52:30] <mjf> adaptr: I do not :)
[23:52:58] <mjf> adaptr: ok, I will just remove the e-mail adress, because I do not want these spambots to find it in the rafb.net ;)
[23:53:02] <rob0> NSA probably has a high percentage of Unix talent.
[23:53:14] <adaptr> Nickste: again with the "I followed THIS STUPID HOWTO" - stop saying that, nobody *cares*
[23:53:21] <mjf> rob0: they are maintaining selinux, as far as I know
[23:53:36] <rob0> yes
[23:53:40] <jduggan> Nickste:  what's the symptoms of 'cant send', does it get queued, but wont send out from your system? possibly isp blocking outbound 25.. see !relayhost
[23:54:33] <Nickste> jduggan: Nope, it doesn't go past the email program. Using a VPS, so no port 25 blocked.
[23:55:05] <adaptr> that has no proof whatsoever
[23:55:05] <jduggan> Nickste: but your email program is at home?
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[23:55:27] <rob0> "Nothing in logs" means either you broke your syslogd, or you're not connecting where you thought you should (broken DNS?)
[23:55:53] <jduggan> Nickste: something like outlook/thunderbird? or is it mutt/pine or something else local to the vps
[23:55:55] <Nickste> jduggan: yes. But I can normally send on smtp. What port should I be connecting to, in order to send using tls?
[23:56:09] <Nickste> no, it's outlook.
[23:56:31] <adaptr> and you wonder why it doesn't work, eh ?
[23:56:34] <rob0> oh well there you go
[23:56:34] <mjf> So, here it is - http://rafb.net/p/3bJpsY21.txt
[23:56:50] <Nickste> outlook?
[23:56:53] <jduggan> whichever port you configured.  Nickste then regardless of the MTA being hosted on a VPS.. you're probably still sending out on port 25 and your ISP is probably still blocking port 25 outbound
[23:56:54] <rob0> Use a real MUA to get things working. Then break it to make Outhouse work.
[23:57:02] <rob0> !outlook
[23:57:03] <knoba> rob0: Error: "outlook" is not a valid command.
[23:57:14] <rob0> not a valid MUA either
[23:57:33] <jduggan> heh
[23:57:50] <Nickste> ok, so I need to use another email program to get it going?
[23:57:53] <mjf> So I get this message on every e0mail I send, dunno why, it started when I upgraded from Debian Sarge to Etch...
[23:58:05] <mjf> s/e0mail/e-mail/
[23:58:37] <Nickste> jduggan: If I can normally send through an smtp server, why would connecting to a imap tls server to send be any different?
[23:58:37] <adaptr> as I have already said, if that machine is the MX for the sender address, of course it gets the DSNs requested by that sender
[23:59:30] <mjf> adaptr: posta.casablanca.cz is the mx for the address, not the anthropos.casablanca.cz that is just relaying to posta.casablanca.cz





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