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[00:12:27] <tsh_> http://rafb.net/p/FBFJ9w79.html any ideas ?
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[00:16:26] <rob0> One of those (the last) is most likely fixed by postsuper -r
[00:16:51] <rob0> The others, I don't know, it just appears that you have a problem with your content filter.
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[02:27:38] <jstad> I am running into an issue trying to get Postfix to use Dovecot.
[02:28:32] <jstad> I apparently do not have a auth file in my postix directory: "Connect to private/auth failed: No such file or directory" is the error
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[02:36:04] <rob0> !sasl
[02:36:04] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[02:36:23] <rob0> ^^ includes all necessary dovecot.conf modifications
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[02:37:39] <jstad> you talking to me?
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[02:38:55] <Tinason> I just installed postfix, via adept. during installation i was prompted to select the server type (internet, local, smarthost, etc...) i want to change my mind now, how can i initiate that setup script so i can choose a server type again?
[02:39:57] <jeev> any courier guys?
[02:40:15] <jeev> i dunno what adept is..
[02:40:26] <jeev> how can i stop pop3d from deleting emails and move them to cur ? or something like that.. how gmail does it, download but dont delete without touching the mail client
[02:40:31] <Tinason> its a gui apt
[02:40:41] <jeev> i dunt run linux so i dunno
[02:40:48] <jeev> maybe you can remove the package
[02:40:51] <jeev> if you havent made changes
[02:40:53] <jeev> and redo it
[02:40:59] <Tinason> tried that
[02:41:08] <jeev> hmm
[02:41:11] <jeev> is it gentoo/
[02:41:34] <Tinason> kubuntu
[02:43:18] <jeev> have you tried talkin to their people
[02:43:23] <jeev> i'm guessing that script if from them
[02:43:33] <jeev> cause i never heard of a script that does that
[02:43:35] <rob0> It is, it is not a Postfix thing.
[02:44:02] <Tinason> ah ok. thanks
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[02:44:26] <jeev> rob, you see what i said
[02:44:32] <jeev> i wonder if courier has somethin like that
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[02:45:10] <mirage> Anyone know if I can rewrite recipients based upon custom headers?
[02:45:30] <rob0> pop3d is activated by the MUA, no?
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[02:45:58] <mirage> if header =~ /X-Header-Spam/ { $recipient =~ s/@/+spam@/ } is what I want to do
[02:46:04] <rob0> I think the maildir specification says to move from new/ to cur/ on first read.
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[02:52:00] <jeev> huh
[02:52:06] <jeev> yea rob
[02:52:11] <jeev> but stupid mail clients delete it
[02:52:15] <jeev> i want mail stored
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[02:55:56] <voidzero> hi
[02:56:11] <voidzero> i hope you can help, i am having this nagging problem
[02:56:11] <voidzero> fatal: 0.0.0.0:smtp: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[02:56:25] <voidzero> everything on the internet points to /etc/services, but this exists
[02:56:36] <voidzero> i tried many debugging options but none of them work
[02:56:44] <voidzero> only this error keeps showing up in my syslog
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[03:04:51] <rob0> getent services smtp
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[03:08:34] <voidzero> rob0, thanks, i found it: i think it's got to do with nsswitch.conf!@
[03:08:38] <voidzero> s/\@//
[03:09:36] <voidzero> \o/
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[03:10:56] <voidzero> awesome
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[03:20:53] <jstad> If i am trying to setup a mail server for mail.insyntax.com and my box name is dopey.insyntax.com how do I go about setting this up without risking getting blacklisted?
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[03:28:52] <jeev> do they share the same ip?
[03:29:18] <jeev> first thing, make sure 207.192.71.205 resolves to mail.insyntax.com, not linode.
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[04:07:50] <jsoftw> What is the best way to get postfix to forward mail to another server?
[04:07:55] <jsoftw> Im using postfix as a smam proxy
[04:07:59] <jsoftw> spam proxy even
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[04:28:13] <mirage> Anyone done anything with header_checks and REDIRECT?
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[04:47:24] <jstad> jeev: ok i set it to mail.insyntax.com (is this ok to do since the box is named dopey.insyntax.com) ?
[04:48:13] <jeev> i dont see why not
[04:48:15] <jeev> as long as reverse
[04:48:18] <jeev> shows mail
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[08:40:48] <fifo_> Anyone know the hostname to query when checking an IP against spamhaus?
[08:41:58] <f3ew> 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org for 127.0.0.2
[08:43:25] <fifo_> I was querying that, does it return an A record for "safe" as well?
[08:43:45] <fifo_> I'm trying to test if it actually works from here, because it looks like it isn't.
[08:46:10] <fifo_> Yes, not even the test "dig 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org" works
[08:46:43] <f3ew> host 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org
[08:46:43] <f3ew> 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org has address 127.0.0.2
[08:46:43] <f3ew> 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org has address 127.0.0.10
[08:46:43] <f3ew> 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org has address 127.0.0.4
[08:48:33] <fifo_> I know. 127.0.0.2 is a test account
[08:48:37] <fifo_> But it's not resolving by me
[08:48:46] <fifo_> Can you see what is returned when you query: 154.231.26.196.zen.spamhaus.org
[08:49:11] <fifo_> test IP, not account
[08:49:41] <f3ew>  host 154.231.26.196.zen.spamhaus.org
[08:49:41] <f3ew> Host 154.231.26.196.zen.spamhaus.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[08:50:12] <fifo_> OK
[08:50:42] <fifo_> Ah, got it working. Thanks anyway
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[10:35:08] <ullio> hello, why are the ${sasl_*} macros lost when being handed over to my piped transport?
[10:36:02] <ullio> the sasl validation works just fine...
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[11:32:38] <EugenA> hi, postfix doesn't want to use relay-server, i've entered relayhost, smtp_sasl_auth_enable, smtp_sasl_password_maps and smtp_sasl_security_options
[11:32:58] <f3ew> what does postconf
[11:34:54] <Trengo> is it possible to flush the queue to another server without starting postfix?
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[11:38:39] <f3ew> no
[11:38:50] <f3ew> EugenA what does postconf -n and your logs say?
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[11:52:16] <Trengo> and how can i prevent email from being delivered locally?
[11:52:39] <Trengo> virtual_transport = smtp:otherserver ?
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[12:07:30] <EugenA> i want to send an email to a at b dot com
[12:08:17] <EugenA> so, i see in the log: postfix/smtp[21498]: connect to b.com[192.168.1.79]: Connection refused (port 25)
[12:08:55] <EugenA> postfix should not connect to 192.168.1.79, but to another IP
[12:08:58] <EugenA> how do i do it?
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[12:10:06] <sysmonk> b.com doesn't have a mx entry
[12:10:08] <sysmonk> so it uses b.com's ip
[12:10:13] <sysmonk> which is 192.168.1.79 ?
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[12:11:15] <ullio> any idea why/where the ${sasl_username} gets lost inside the postfix mail handling? sasl works fine, but the moment the transport is invoked, all sasl_* macros are empty
[12:12:42] <EugenA> i want to use public IP of b.com
[12:13:26] <EugenA> postfix uses the local IP for that domain
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[13:16:37] <Rowellen> Hi, I have a slight problem. I have a mailq of about 24100. Service provider opened all ports for my mail server and I had open relay enabled... so now I have a mailq with alot of SPAM.
[13:17:14] <onre> and you want to remove all that, i assume?
[13:17:20] <Rowellen> Is there a way that I can view a mail that is in the mailq
[13:17:36] <Rowellen> I know how to remove all of it
[13:17:54] <Rowellen> but I do not want to remove all of it
[13:18:01] <onre> i see
[13:18:04] <Rowellen> only that which is spam
[13:18:28] <onre> well, if you go to the directory containing the queue and use 'less' or something? or just guess by subjects, mailq shows those, right?
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[13:24:39] <rob0> some kind of scripting magic, most likely involving a grep -v of sender addresses
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[13:25:13] <loompek> mailq | grep ^. | grep Something | awk '{print $1}' | postsuper -d -
[13:25:19] <rob0> cpm, George is gone :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin
[13:25:21] <loompek> should delete all something
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[13:27:08] <rob0> Ro, probably most if not all of the legit mail has sender addresses in your domain, and most if not all of the open relay spam does not.
[13:27:22] <Rowellen> ok, this is might take a while....
[13:28:03] <Rowellen> sorry I think I missed some of that
[13:28:08] <rob0> I'd make a list before piping to postsuper -d
[13:28:18] <Rowellen> correct
[13:28:29] <rob0> 11:24 < rob0> some kind of scripting magic, most likely involving a grep -v of sender addresses
[13:28:34] <rob0> 11:25 < loompek> mailq | grep ^. | grep Something | awk '{print $1}' | postsuper -d -
[13:29:06] <Rowellen> but is there not a way of filtering all mail that does not have a return path specified?
[13:29:46] <rob0> huh, ALL mail has a sender address, it's required
[13:30:09] <Rowellen> sorry blond moment
[13:30:10] <rob0> even if the sender is "<>"
[13:31:27] <Rowellen> I see
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[13:33:32] <EugenA> i want to use public IP of b.com
[13:33:40] <EugenA> postfix uses the local IP for that domain
[13:33:51] <EugenA> how do i change it?
[13:34:23] <rob0> !transport_maps
[13:34:24] <knoba> rob0: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
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[13:48:17] <ullio> does anyone here know why the macros ${sasl_*} are emtyp for my pipe transport even though sasl is just fine?
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[13:49:23] <f3ew> ullio have you pasted your configs and logs yet?
[13:49:25] <f3ew> !debug
[13:49:26] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[13:49:29] <f3ew> !postfinger
[13:49:29] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "postfinger" is not a valid command.
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[13:49:45] <rob0> saslfinger?
[13:49:45] <ullio> f3ew: not yet. will do just now
[13:50:09] <f3ew> !saslfinger
[13:50:10] <knoba> f3ew: "saslfinger" : SASL authentication debugging tool for Postfix: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/
[13:50:21] <ullio> sasl works. the verbose logs show me all the rigght stuff
[13:50:23] * cpm uses rob0 for a sender address
[13:50:34] <ullio> it seems these macros get lost on the way
[13:50:39] <rob0> Generally if there's no information about SASL, the client didn't AUTH.
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[13:51:18] <f3ew> ullio saslfinger gives us all relevant config information at one shot
[13:51:54] <ullio> i even get Authenticated User printed in the header
[13:52:01] <ullio> $topfiel=$$
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[13:58:41] <Rowellen> brilliant
[13:58:52] <Rowellen> someone is not a good spammer
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[14:02:41] <rob0> Good spammer == dead spammer
[14:02:41] <JoaoCarneiro> i had this weird behaviour in postfix
[14:02:41] <rob0> (that's also the only way they become former spammers)
[14:02:42] <JoaoCarneiro> it did not correctly passed the password to the smarthost
[14:02:42] <JoaoCarneiro> further investigation showed that i did not get the same result when enconding and decoding by hand to base64 using perl
[14:02:43] <JoaoCarneiro> i thisk that this maybe due to utf8 that is the encoding used globally on the server
[14:02:43] <JoaoCarneiro> what do you think rob0 ?
[14:02:53] * rob0 does not use client AUTH -- ever
[14:03:41] <rob0> but in testing with perl, be sure to escape your "@" signs
[14:03:42] <JoaoCarneiro> my ISP uses it so i have to relay with AUTH
[14:03:48] <JoaoCarneiro> i did it
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[14:04:02] <JoaoCarneiro> and even so it did not work as expected
[14:04:18] <JoaoCarneiro> i think i'll submit this to the debian BTS
[14:04:36] <rob0> did your manually-generated AUTH string authenticate you?
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[14:04:42] <JoaoCarneiro> nop
[14:04:59] <JoaoCarneiro> but i installed exim and it worked like a charm
[14:05:11] <JoaoCarneiro> i encoded and then decoded
[14:05:21] <JoaoCarneiro> and the result was not the same
[14:05:32] <robtone_> hiw did you do that?
[14:05:33] <robtone_> how
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[14:06:05] <JoaoCarneiro> perl -e MIME::encode_base64 or something like that, give me a minute...
[14:06:05] <rob0> next step (unless you just want to stay with exim) is to sniff the packets and compare.
[14:06:30] <robtone_> JoaoCarneiro, shell-expansion, perl-expansion
[14:06:59] <robtone_> JoaoCarneiro, did you make sure that what you provides as cipher was the correct crypted cipher? (by printing the token)
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[14:07:19] <JoaoCarneiro> yep
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[14:22:44] <ullio> http://dpaste.com/58287/
[14:23:35] <ullio> this is a mail.log excerpt (verbose) from me logging in on my server trying to deposit some spam to train my dspam account
[14:23:58] <ullio> dspam dies due to errors not relevant to my problem with sasl_username
[14:24:11] <ullio> so never mind what dspam does
[14:24:25] <ullio> ill paste the reevant parts of my master.cf as well.
[14:24:27] <ullio> one sec
[14:26:14] <ullio> http://pastebin.com/d5c6aeadf is my master.cf
[14:26:23] <ullio> ( the relevant transports)
[14:27:32] <ullio> so am i missing something obvious - i've noticed that the message id changes the moment the mail gets handed to the dspam-add transport
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[14:38:09] <rob0> Um, it's quite obvious that you're misunderstanding things. The pipe(8) command has no option "permit_sasl_authenticated,reject". Perhaps you should go back to your HOWTO.
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[14:39:01] <rob0> also, your pasted smtpd(8) service is chrooted
[14:39:35] <ullio> well, even if not, pipe does suport ${sasl_*} macros, so these options will be ignored
[14:40:01] <rob0> Note, I only looked at your master.cf paste, I don't read verbose logs.
[14:40:15] <ullio> oh, ok.
[14:40:45] <rob0> No, the sasl_* macros are probably lost somewhere along the way, as you noted.
[14:41:45] <rob0> I've never set up a pipe transport before, so I don't know how it works exactly.
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[14:44:58] <ullio> would be interesting to learn, how/when such pipe transports are used preserving this information
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[15:07:40] <ullio> rob0> "also, your pasted smtpd(8) service is chrooted" - i cant see why that should be a problem..
[15:08:41] <jelly> ullio: not having needed sockets in the chroot could pose problems.
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[15:10:00] <rob0> As always, if the chroot environment is sufficient, it will work, otherwise it will not.
[15:10:19] <jelly> orly!
[15:10:51] <rob0> And if you don't know enough to troubleshoot such things on your own, don't chroot.
[15:11:07] <jelly> does that chroot give any reasonable additional security, anyway?
[15:11:19] <rob0> It's also a recommended debugging step to first get everything working without chroot.
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[15:11:39] <jelly> I'm thinking of suggesting Debian to just get rid of it, it has historically caused a good deal of trouble
[15:11:46] <rob0> The additional security is theoretical.
[15:12:58] <jelly> rob0: what I'm asking is "does upstream recommend smtpd to be chrooted, esp. in a default config that ought to just work"?
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[15:13:57] <FuRom> I've always been under the assumption that port 25 was used for receiving, and sending mail, but recently, I was told some crap about other ports are used for receiving mail, and port 25 is just for sending mail. I've tried googling the topic, but I can't find anything about it. I've not been able to figure out how to receive mail yet, or anything, so, what ports do I need forward for postfix to receive mail?
[15:14:11] <rob0> Oh absolutely not. Wietse will not support chrooters.
[15:16:45] <rob0> F, all Internet mail exchange goes to 25/tcp listeners. To act as MX for your domain you must have 25 open.
[15:17:00] <rob0> (not sure if that is your question)
[15:17:18] <rob0> (if you need help with your router, this is not the place for it)
[15:17:26] <FuRom> rob0, yeah, I just need to know what ports I need open to receive.
[15:17:58] <FuRom> I have no idea about MX or anything. I find it confusing as hell, because I don't use nameservers, I use DNS.
[15:18:20] * rob0 finds that confusing as well
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[15:18:30] <ullio> well, if the chroot would cause a problem i would have noticed it. so since the mail is handled allright there is no problem as far as i can see. so, yes, i feel comfortable with that chroot. that wanst the question. it is rather - when are sasl_* expanded macros?
[15:18:39] <FuRom> I'm a HTTP junkie, I've never actually had the chance to mess with SMTP until recently.
[15:20:01] <jelly> ullio: Noticing problems can be tricky, btw.  Would you have noticed something that, for example, happened only when syslogd was restarted? Like http://bugs.debian.org/311812
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[15:23:35] <ullio> oh. no. but in how far can i monitor this loss of information at all? i've googled a long way to find anything related to my sasl_* macros being empty although the sasl authentication works just as expected... i do indeed lack some knowledge here but this appears to be nothing i could cover with a few howtos. i just dont know where to look..
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[15:24:45] <ullio> if i could only see these vars being placed i a working setup. but all i could find were man pages for pipe. no one seems to really make use of these vars
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[15:30:00] <jelly> ullio: what are you trying to do?
[15:30:53] <ullio> i need to get dspam (http://pastebin.com/d5c6aeadf, dspam-add in my master.cf) to work on the sasl authed user rather then the sender of the message
[15:31:29] <rob0> What do dspam HOWTOs recommend for that?
[15:31:59] <ullio> they suggest the sender.
[15:33:03] <rob0> so maybe something like sender_canonical_maps ?
[15:33:36] <rob0> assuming you can maintain a mapping of SASL users to sender addresses
[15:34:12] <rob0> vice-versa I mean, senders to users
[15:34:47] <ullio> hmm, no, not really, the aliases i use are used by other accounts as well
[15:35:20] <ullio> so taking the sender to lookup the user by destination wont work
[15:37:41] <rob0> hmmm, something is confusing to me ... how are these users submitting this stuff?
[15:37:59] <ullio> sending mail to eg add@dspam
[15:38:21] <ullio> internally this address is mapped to the dspam-add transport
[15:38:41] <jelly> ullio: and putting ${sasl_username} into argv doesn't help?
[15:39:06] <ullio> all is working just fine - as long as i kep my sending email-address identical to my username
[15:39:14] <ullio> no, jelly, empty. plain empty
[15:40:07] <jelly> ullio: what does the command line for a dspam process look like, as seen by ps or in /proc/NNN/cmdline?
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[15:41:46] <jelly> (replace dspam with a wrapper and log "$@" and env somewhere, if needed ;-)
[15:41:53] <rob0> So I get a spam in the MUA, and forward it to add@dspam? and I have to AUTH to do that?
[15:42:28] <ullio> you mean the way its called from master process? i havent got a clue how to trigger it. but, if i use an empty var here (see --user) it pastes its cmd help into the mail log. /usr/bin/dspam --mode=teft  --user --class=spam --source=error
[15:42:48] <jelly> rob0: I'm thinking based on the recipient, dspam might do different things to the spam.  Like, some users might have a quarantine, some might not
[15:43:21] <ullio> rob0-> yes. you cant send anything via my system as a local user without sasl auth
[15:44:04] <rob0> I don't know why this interests me. It shouldn't. I don't put much faith in the idea of learning spam by content.
[15:44:10] <jelly> ullio: how does that work with /usr/sbin/sendmail API :-)
[15:44:36] <ullio> plus, if it only worked i would be able to make sure that the user who filed this spam would get trained rather then the recipient of the sent in spam (add@dspam) or the user taken from the dspam sig (by uid)
[15:44:39] <rob0> So, if it gets into the queue without AUTH, how would there be a $sasl_username ?
[15:44:54] <rob0> (that seems rather obvious to me)
[15:44:56] <ullio> it cant get into the the queue without auth
[15:45:11] <rob0> ohhh I misunderstood
[15:45:13] <ullio> im using a local user to send it, so i must auth
[15:45:25] <ullio> local means - domain is hosted on that box
[15:48:57] <jelly> ullio: I suggested a way to log the actual command line -- replace the dspam binary with a #!/bin/sh wrapper, and in there log the interesting bits (command line arguments, your uid, env.vars...) to a file, then exec /path/to/dspam.real "$@"
[15:49:11] <ullio> jelly> wrapper, good idea.
[15:49:19] <jelly> srsly
[15:49:49] <jelly> this is the way to deal with black boxes :-)
[15:51:07] <ullio> but i still assume the problem lies before that, since the sender and the recipient and all tehe others are getting expended just fine...
[15:51:53] <ullio> tehe = there
[15:54:43] <ullio> what would really help me would be an example transport making use of any of these vars actually working
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[15:56:52] <dennda> Hi. I configured Postfix & Dovecot to use the Maildir format and store mails to ~/Maildir. If I now try to send a mail to a user of the corresponding server, it is stored in /var/mail. How can I troubleshoot?
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[15:57:29] <Verilium> dennda:  What is your LDA?  Postfix or Dovecot?
[15:58:33] <dennda> Verilium: I followed a tutorial, so frankly I am not quite sure. How can I check?
[15:59:07] <Verilium> dennda:  What do you have if you do:  'postconf | grep home_mailbox'?
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[15:59:32] <Verilium> You should be getting..  'home_mailbox = Maildir/'
[16:00:00] <dennda> Verilium: home_mailbox = Maildir/ --- Yes. That is correct.
[16:00:58] <Verilium> Have you reloaded postfix since doing all these changes? :)
[16:01:04] <dennda> I restarted
[16:01:16] <dennda> I assume reloading is done implicitly then?
[16:01:24] <dennda> (Using ubuntus initscript)
[16:01:34] <rob0> Ubuntu, 'nuff said. They use procmail. Disable it.
[16:01:37] <Verilium> Yeah.
[16:01:40] <Verilium> Ahh.
[16:02:01] <rob0> If you had thought to look in the LOGS you would have seen, "delivered to command ..."
[16:02:10] <dennda> There is no service `procmail` running in ps aux
[16:02:14] <Verilium> dennda:  If you check 'postconf | grep mailbox_command', get anything back?
[16:02:30] <rob0> postconf mailbox_command
[16:02:32] <Verilium> It's not a service, procmail will run every time it needs to deliver a mail.
[16:02:45] <dennda> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" and mailbox_command_maps = <nothing following here>
[16:03:51] <dennda> Do I need to just comment those two out?
[16:04:15] <Verilium> Well, on my end, without a mailbox_command, works fine.  I don't know if you really need to be using procmail.
[16:04:46] <dennda> I will just try to comment it in
[16:04:51] <Verilium> You should see a mailbox_command defined somewhere in your main.cf config file, just commen tit out, yes.
[16:05:57] <dennda> It is commented out
[16:06:03] <dennda> Ah nevermind
[16:06:10] <dennda> Ignore those two lines
[16:07:26] <rob0> procmail makes sense from a distributor's standpoint because multiple MTAs will deliver the same way. But the funny thing is, it's one of their (Debian and derivatives) users' most common problems.
[16:07:45] <dennda> Ahh great. Works now. Now I just need to get smtp working and everything is fine :)
[16:08:04] <dennda> Thanks a bunch already
[16:09:49] <dennda> Now I can receive mails successfully, but cannot send any because I am not allowed to log in to the SMTP Server. I wonder why that is
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[16:12:43] <dennda> I set it up so that normal users (in a UNIX sense) can receive mails. I am able to log in and fetch my mail with the corresponding username and password, but sending email fails because it doesn't seem to accept my password. mail.info, .err and .log don
[16:12:48] <dennda> 't deliver anything useful
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[16:17:41] <rob0> "log in to the SMTP Server" means SASL AUTH ...
[16:17:45] <rob0> !sasl
[16:17:45] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[16:19:25] <dennda> rob0: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/77486/ -- Does that provide any useful information?
[16:19:44] <dennda> Output from `ehlo localhost`
[16:20:19] <dennda> But I will recheck the tutorial
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[16:23:38] <dennda> rob0: I followed the tutorial correctly -- Is there any log to sasl?
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[16:54:03] <Stijn> Heya, trying to get SMTP-AUTH to work through sasl, I've set everything up through a tutorial, but I'm getting this error in my logs, and even after some hours of reading and tweaking I can't get it to work, Any ideas? -> http://pastebin.com/d25da498d
[16:54:16] <dennda> No ideas? I followed this tutorial in order to configure SASL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixDovecotSASL
[16:55:01] <Stijn> yep, except that I'm not using dovecot xD
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[16:57:52] <dennda> Stijn: That wasn't meant for you :)
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[16:59:20] <Stijn> okay xD
[17:00:23] <Stijn> I'm just a little stuck because the debugging information is really limited, and I don't really know where to search now... Still just tweaking lots of stuff
[17:00:41] <Stijn> The fact that I'm using virtual domains and users in a MySQL database complicates stuff :p
[17:02:09] <dennda> Ok, I now receive an error in the client "Fehler bei Welcome-Antwort: Unbekannt" (rougly translated: "Error with Welcome-Answer: Unknown")
[17:02:20] <dennda> But nothing more specific
[17:05:41] <kyky> hi all
[17:06:16] <kyky> postfix can be one MTA have more relayhost ?
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[17:07:35] <kyky> MTA have more relayhost if primary can not sent email postfix auto send email to other relay ?
[17:08:35] <dennda> Hm I cannot `telnet localhost 25` anymore
[17:08:36] <dennda> Strange
[17:08:43] <dennda> Worked up to now
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[17:18:01] <dennda> Ah works now, great
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[17:18:46] <dennda> The only thing left to do is, that in order to send mail via my smtp server it is sufficient to use plaintext-auth. (Via a TLS-Encrypted connection)
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[17:19:00] <dennda> I wonder if that is insecure. I think I want to use the LOGIN mode
[17:19:06] <dennda> Any statements? :)
[17:21:12] <dennda> Ok, using LOGIN now, too. Is Plain any insecure?
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[17:22:10] <shasta> as secure as login
[17:22:13] <shasta> both plaintext
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[17:23:59] <desrt> hi guys.  i just filed a bug report about a very annoying problem against ubuntu.  i was wondering if there is somewhere i can send this bug to be addressed upstream?
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[17:24:45] <desrt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+bug/242383 fwiw
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[17:40:07] <rob0> Yup, that's arguably a Postfix bug, altho Wietse might counter that the bug is only felt where a domain admin foolishly set up a wildcard A or MX. Also, the relay_domains parameter need not include $mydestination -- that was for 1.x compatibility.
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[17:41:16] <desrt> nah... i get spammers connecting to the mx for desrt.ca and trying to deliver to blah.desrt.ca
[17:41:22] <desrt> i don't know why.  they do it, though.
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[17:42:12] <desrt> that's how i found out about this in the first place.  my outgoing queue was jammed with backscatter for * at whatever dot desrt.ca addresses
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[17:45:56] <desrt> rob0; is there a postfix issue tracker?
[17:46:32] <desrt> (upstream, i mean)
[17:46:35] <rob0> not that I know of, not a public one anyway (other than the TODO file of course)
[17:46:48] <desrt> :)
[17:47:18] <desrt> anyway... setting relay_domains to '' seems like the most direct solution
[17:47:54] <desrt> seems pretty silly that postfix acts as a (very subtle) backscatter-generating relay as its default config :p
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[17:49:26] <rob0> 1.x Postfix was before the backscatter problem was addressed. Back then, relay_domains meant "domains to relay FOR"; now it means TO.
[17:49:50] <desrt> i have a hypothetical question....
[17:49:54] <f3ew> See docs about parent domain matching
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[17:50:16] <desrt> is it possible to setup relaying so that it only works for (a) trusted hosts and (b) if the From: address is set to a locally-deliverable email address?
[17:50:32] <rob0> !mynetworks
[17:50:33] <knoba> rob0: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[17:50:35] <desrt> f3ew; i refer to those docs in the bug report :)
[17:50:47] <desrt> rob0; ya.  that's the easy part :)
[17:51:00] <rob0> Mail routing and relay is not based on headers.
[17:51:05] <desrt> rob0; basically, my thinking is that i never ever want to ever send a MDS out to the internet
[17:51:16] <f3ew> desrt you could use restriction_classes, possibly
[17:51:33] * cpm routes to rob0
[17:51:35] <desrt> which implies that i must never accept a mail for relay (even from a trusted host) unless the MAIL From: is from some local user
[17:51:51] <rob0> and reject_unlisted_sender
[17:52:00] <rob0> !reject_unlisted_sender
[17:52:00] <knoba> rob0: Error: "reject_unlisted_sender" is not a valid command.
[17:52:06] <rob0> hmmm
[17:52:12] <desrt> hmmm indeed :)
[17:52:38] <rob0> postconf.5.html#reject_unlisted_sender
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[17:53:19] <desrt> thing is: i want to accept mail for local delivery from any sender
[17:53:19] <desrt> only block relaying for unknown senders
[17:53:19] <desrt>   uggh lag
[17:55:02] <desrt> i guess the MDS mails go to the person given in the MAIL From: and not in the message From: header?
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[17:55:56] <desrt> the tricky problem: i don't know at time of 'MAIL' what to do.... since i want to accept local-delivery mails from any address i have to wait to see what RCPT they give in order to decide of their From: is OK or not
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[17:56:39] <f3ew> !smtpd_delay_reject
[17:56:39] <knoba> f3ew: "smtpd_delay_reject" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Wait until the RCPT TO command before evaluating $smtpd_client_restrictions, $smtpd_helo_restrictions and $smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[17:57:31] * desrt considers another problem: how is .forward implemented?
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[17:58:32] <rob0> see local.8.html , not much other documentation unfortunately
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[17:58:38] <desrt> mail is so confusing these days :p
[17:58:56] <sysmonk> when wasn't it? :P
[17:59:07] <shasta> yesterday
[17:59:11] <desrt> if .forward tries to use the local mailer for relaying then forward messages will be rejected, i guess...
[17:59:27] * desrt has some reading to do :)
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[18:30:03] <fantata> hey guys, can anyone help - I'm writing some php and can't get the from and return-path headers to be different. Whatever I pass for the return-path header, it just ends up as the from: address
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[18:33:39] <Xcaliber009> Anyone here familiar with setting up mailman to work with postfix? For some reason, mailman is not creating the email addresses for the MTA, so when replying back to emails I'm getting a RCPT TO error
[18:34:38] <Xcaliber009> However, the mailman and the MTA are sending out the confimation emails
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[18:53:54] <Xcaliber009> Anyone here familiar with setting up mailman to work with postfix? For some reason, mailman is not creating the email addresses for the MTA, so when replying back to emails I'm getting a RCPT TO error
[18:53:58] <Xcaliber009> However, the mailman and the MTA are sending out the confimation emails
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[18:56:42] <vsd> i get relay access denied
[18:56:59] <vsd> when trying with sasl auth
[18:57:02] <vsd> why?
[19:02:27] <jeev> do you succesfully auth?
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[19:05:58] <al-Quaknaa> Hello everybody, I've had my fine postfix setup, then I moved the machine into a virtual machine in xen and the mailserver somehow became an open relay. I can show you whatever confs you want. I'm really desperate ..
[19:06:26] <al-Quaknaa> One more important thing - I have postfix listening on localhost, before it stands greylisting proxy (hermes)
[19:06:58] <al-Quaknaa> I have no clue what happened, maybe the inet_interfaces directive is somehow different in the virtual machine?
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[19:16:19] <rob0> No one else will have any clue either, unless you pastebin some logs of this relay spew being accepted. (While you're at it include a "postconf -n", same paste.)
[19:16:39] <al-Quaknaa> OK, I'm sorr,y I'm not used to IRC ..
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[19:16:48] <rob0> um, maybe it's the proxy's fault
[19:17:15] <al-Quaknaa> rob0, I've tried disabling the proxy and same thing happend, I will show soon, pasting the logs and stuff right now
[19:18:19] <vsd> jeev, no
[19:18:22] <vsd> i just tested
[19:18:31] <al-Quaknaa> http://rafb.net/p/20USTs96.html
[19:18:37] <al-Quaknaa> That's the postconf
[19:19:08] <al-Quaknaa> The setup is that everyone should be able to connect and send email, but only with authentification
[19:19:37] <al-Quaknaa> hmm .. dunno what happend
[19:19:57] <al-Quaknaa> now it started telling me stuff like "relay access denied"
[19:20:05] <al-Quaknaa> I will try to send some authorized email
[19:22:44] <al-Quaknaa> But the spam traffic is huge, it's like 10 attempts/s, I think they somehwo discovered it used to be an open relay for a while ..
[19:22:50] <rob0> unless you show the BAD stuff coming in ... what are we looking for?
[19:23:14] <al-Quaknaa> Well, now it looks quite good (for me, even tough not what it used to be), see:
[19:23:22] <al-Quaknaa> Jun 23 19:23:15 [postfix/smtpd] NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[122.55.19.78]: 554 5.7.1 <prazdnik at ms31 dot hinet.net>: Relay access denied; from=<yvonne.rex at msa dot hinet.net> to=<prazdnik at ms31 dot hinet.net> proto=SMTP helo=<89.185.242.19>
[19:23:43] <al-Quaknaa> But it used to accept those messages with my former settings (and with the proxy)
[19:24:07] <al-Quaknaa> In the past I used to only see attempts to send emails to addresses that actually are present in the system
[19:24:17] <mwalling> ...
[19:24:23] <rob0> "I've tried disabling the proxy and same thing happend, ..."
[19:24:29] <al-Quaknaa> (and those were caught by either the proxy or SA)
[19:24:31] <mwalling> "NOQUEUE: reject:".... um...
[19:24:38] <mwalling> you're not relaying
[19:24:42] <al-Quaknaa> not now
[19:24:45] <al-Quaknaa> I was
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[19:26:05] <vsd> i get relay access denied
[19:26:08] <vsd> what should i do?
[19:26:14] <vsd> with sasl
[19:26:29] <al-Quaknaa> is that incorrect?
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[19:36:02] <vsd> ok i found it
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[19:39:02] <xpoint> how to solve reject_unverified_sender with domain that uses email adresses that does not exists ? :(
[19:39:52] <xpoint> not using a DSN one, but foo at example dot com as sender, and belive its ok
[19:40:10] <Xcaliber009> Anyone here familiar with setting up mailman to work with postfix? For some reason, mailman is not creating the email addresses for the MTA, so when replying back to emails I'm getting a RCPT TO error
[19:40:15] <Xcaliber009> However, the mailman and the MTA are sending out the confimation emails
[19:40:23] <Xcaliber009> any ideas?
[19:40:38] <xpoint> i have it working with gentoo now
[19:40:59] <xpoint> vierd setup but works
[19:42:02] <xpoint> what i did was to setup mailman in apache vhost, and configure mailman with same vhost to maillists, but use local users in postfix alias
[19:42:21] <xpoint> virtual_alias cant make pipe |
[19:43:20] <xpoint> her mailman updates data/aliases and data/virtual-mailman, but postfix only use the first one :-)
[19:44:13] <xpoint> i found the tip on gentoo wiki, that if you use both it will not work, that was my problem  olso
[19:45:20] <Xcaliber009> I'm currently using my own domain for this
[19:47:15] <xpoint> aslong as you dont use the domain for other email its ok
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[19:48:34] <Xcaliber009> my problem is I can't seem to get mailman to create the email addresses, hence the error i get back from the reply
[19:48:50] <Xcaliber009> mailman will send the emails for confirmation, including all the correct links and such
[19:48:53] <xpoint> have postconf -d | grep parent as empty define so subdomain does not match users on domain
[19:50:42] <Xcaliber009> i did a postconf -d | grep parent, the first item on the list was parent_domain_matches_subdomains = debug_peer_list and a bunch of otehrs
[19:50:49] <Xcaliber009> is that correct?
[19:51:25] <Xcaliber009> now our domain might be considered a "subdomain" as it is support.velociter.net
[19:51:37] <Xcaliber009> but it has its own A record and MX record
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[19:52:33] <xpoint> its the default -d
[19:52:39] <xpoint> but unset it
[19:53:06] <Xcaliber009> I'm not sure what I'm unsetting....
[19:53:37] <xpoint> postconf -e `parent_domain_matches_subdomains=`
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[19:54:26] <Xcaliber009> ok
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[19:54:34] <xpoint> this is needed to destingt maillist from domain mails
[19:56:15] <Xcaliber009> it didn't unset :-(
[19:56:19] <Xcaliber009> still says the same
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[19:56:52] <xpoint> postconf -n
[19:57:19] <al-Quaknaa> Hello, so now I have just this problem - postfix supports AUTH PLAIN (and LOGIN), I just tested it, but it doesn't report it
[19:57:24] <Xcaliber009> ok that shows up there
[19:57:24] <xpoint> you CANT change settings in postconf -d its hardcorded :)
[19:57:27] <Xcaliber009> reload postfix?
[19:57:31] <al-Quaknaa> (when I telnet it, it doesn't show there as it is supposed to do)
[19:57:55] <al-Quaknaa> my postconf -e is here:
[19:57:56] <al-Quaknaa> http://rafb.net/p/20USTs96.html
[19:58:04] <al-Quaknaa> *postconf -n
[19:58:36] <Xcaliber009> now, the lists that are already created, will it generate the email addresses now, or only for new lists?
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[20:08:02] <MrPunkin> Hello all, I'm setting up a local relay that just relays my web-apps outgoing mail off to AuthSMTP ( a dedicated SMTP service ) but postfix keeps giving my app "454 Relay Access Denied". What do I need to do to be able to just have postfix pass the mail on to authsmtp without setting up relay domains for everyone on earth, etc?
[20:09:29] <Xcaliber009> xpoint, my messages are still getting kicked back
[20:09:37] <Xcaliber009> is it perhaps just a bad install of mailman?
[20:10:31] <Xcaliber009> will pastebin'ing a couple conf files help?
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[20:25:33] <MrPunkin> Anyone, why would I get relay_access_denied when trying to send through postfix to a relay host like AuthSMTP?
[20:26:51] <adaptr> any number of ways
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[20:40:26] <ullio> are bounces allways using the same original message id or are they creating their own?
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[20:45:56] <MrPunkin> Okay, I got sending working. My mail going through my relay though is showing a forged HELO. How can I remedy this>
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[20:49:53] <MrPunkin> when postfix is a relay does it just pass on the HELO from the sending application>
[20:51:16] <Motoko-chan> No, it does its own afaik
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[20:56:57] <MrPunkin> Motoko-chan: do you know how to set the HELO?
[20:57:12] <Motoko-chan> It is whatever myhostname is set to.
[20:57:32] <Motoko-chan> It should be the same as the PTR for the system's IP.
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[21:19:38] <chardy> how can i del exim installation and use postfix on centos dedicated server?
[21:19:44] <chardy> i did yum remove exim
[21:19:48] <Dominian> no idea
[21:19:48] <chardy> and yum install postfix
[21:19:53] <Dominian> ask in #centos?
[21:19:56] <chardy> but still sending through exim
[21:19:57] <chardy> :S
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[21:23:10] <pickcoder> if I set a value of say 500 in the master.cf maxproc column for smtpd and my default_process_limit is 200, the 500 should override the 200 for just the smtpd processes. correct?
[21:24:17] <MrPunkin> I set smtpd_helo_required  = no but it still wants a helo from my application. Any ideas why?
[21:24:46] <pickcoder> are helo checks enabled?
[21:24:57] <MrPunkin> isn't smtpd_helo_required = no disabling that helo check?
[21:25:01] <MrPunkin> or is there another command
[21:34:02] <pickcoder> did you restart master?
[21:37:23] <pickcoder> MrPunkin: no.. disabling the requirement for the HELO does not disable the checks for clients that offer it
[21:37:31] <pickcoder> unless I'm totally wrong
[21:37:49] <MrPunkin> ah, okay
[21:37:51] <pickcoder> BTW.. the default is "no"
[21:39:28] <higuita> pickcoder: the master.cf values have priority over the default_process_limit
[21:40:25] <pickcoder> higuita: thanks for verification
[21:40:35] <pickcoder> trying to tweak my mail spooler
[21:40:55] <pickcoder> need lots and lots of incoming and only a few outgoing
[21:43:48] <higuita> pickcoder: if you have content filtering(virus, spam) take care about those also... usually they eat many ram and cpu
[21:45:16] <al-Quaknaa> Hi, my postfix does support at least AUTH LOGIn and PLAIN, but it doesn't show it when you connect, what can I do about that?
[21:45:24] <al-Quaknaa> my postconf -n is http://rafb.net/p/20USTs96.html
[21:45:39] <pickcoder> higuita: I don't think I have filtering on this spooler box. It's just a mail "dumpster"
[21:45:55] <pickcoder> frees up the mail queue from the main mailserver
[21:47:01] <al-Quaknaa> oh, it works with ehlo, sorry for my ignorance of the smtp protocol ..
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[21:52:05] <MrPunkin> so is there no way to fully bypass HELO checks on known clients within postfix SMTP?
[21:52:20] <MrPunkin> if the client can send a HELO postfix will check it?
[21:52:22] <pickcoder> MrPunkin: have you tried a telnet test?
[21:52:37] <MrPunkin> pickcoder: telnet test for what?
[21:52:40] <pickcoder> don't rely on a client for tests like that
[21:52:44] <pickcoder> you have no idea what it's sending
[21:52:58] <pickcoder> telnet to port 25 and issue SMTP commands
[21:53:06] <pickcoder> see if makes you HELO or not
[21:53:42] <MrPunkin> Well I do know what the client is sending because I have to code it into the client and can see it in the headers of the messages. If I don't provide a :domain wthin my rails app (the client) it fails because of a missing HELO
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[21:54:34] <pickcoder> I had no problems sending an e-mail through my default setup (helo_required = no) without saying "HELO"
[21:55:39] <rob0> You say goodbye, and I say HELO -- Sir Paul McCartney
[21:56:20] <pickcoder> MrPunkin: pastebin your postconf -n output
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[21:57:05] <pickcoder> EHLO
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[22:02:28] <higuita> pickcoder: you want to increase the delivery from one server to another?! you shouldnt need anything...
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[22:03:52] <higuita> increase the paralell delivery on the main server will increase the load (more RAM, more HD to read messages) when the receiving server will still be limited on the HD saving the messages
[22:04:19] <pickcoder> higuita: I don't want to abuse my connection with 500 messages going out at once
[22:04:30] <pickcoder> but I want to spool the mail from the mail server to the dumpster
[22:04:39] <pickcoder> quickly
[22:04:50] <higuita> by default, local (hd) delivery uses 2 process,
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[22:05:10] <pickcoder> none of it is local
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[22:05:13] <pickcoder> it's a newsletter
[22:05:27] <pickcoder> and I don't want it backing up user mail
[22:06:04] <higuita> the problem is that increasing the paralell delivery will only increase the load, if you are using a slow link, it will probably saturate with the default 20 paralell deliverys
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[22:06:43] <higuita> if high bandwidth, it will slow down waiting the remote server to save the messages to HD
[22:06:59] <higuita> if its a newsletters, even worst...
[22:08:11] <higuita> newsletters dont need to be fast, you can delivery slowly (little load) to the dumpster... they will be taken care later without imposing load on the main server
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[22:13:45] <pickcoder> higuita: I'm fine. I just wanted to verify that master.cf would override
[22:13:58] <pickcoder> I need to suck a lot of mail from the mailserver and spool it slow
[22:17:18] <higuita> pickcoder: what i do for newsletters is to deliver to a newsletters-only smtp server, it will then forward the local delivery to the main server and stay "slowly" delivering the newsletter to all other server... main server is not afected with the load and i could tune the speed of delivery to many domains (to be fast, but not over load the remote server and get banned)
[22:18:21] <pickcoder> that's similar, if not the same, as what I'm doing
[22:18:40] <pickcoder> I have a transport configured to route those e-mails to the dumpster for delivery
[22:19:00] <pickcoder> I just need a huge smtpd process list to get them off the main mail server quickly
[22:19:21] <pickcoder> 50 smtp processes would be enough tor actual delivery
[22:20:02] <higuita> deliving a huge newsletter to the main server will always increase its load... high speed delivery to other server will increase even more the load, slow down will decrease the load, but will have the newsletter for longer
[22:20:31] <pickcoder> "load" in these terms is the amount of residual processes it consumes
[22:20:41] <pickcoder> I have plenty of RAM and CPU.. that is no concern
[22:22:25] <pickcoder> my main mail server has a default process limit of 2500
[22:22:46] <pickcoder> and it regularly hits that during newsletter sends.. it rarely slows down
[22:22:54] <higuita> you know that queue management also have limits, right :)
[22:22:59] <pickcoder> yes
[22:23:06] <pickcoder> I don't want to toy with them on the main server
[22:23:34] <pickcoder> unless there's added benefit by sending host
[22:25:09] <pickcoder> Ideally, I'd like to send one e-mail with a list of CC to send individual e-mails as
[22:25:23] <pickcoder> I'll get around to a solution one of these days
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[22:26:19] <higuita> yes, that is perfect, i manage to do that with a few newsletters and the load dropped alot... even for the remote servers, as one message went to 50 users, instead of 50 messages
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[22:38:45] <tsh_> Ok thats odd.
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[22:40:52] <tsh_> Guys I setup a virtual alias like so: test-mailinglist at domain1 dot org forwards to thestonedhacker at googlemail dot com.  So I send test-mailinglist at domain1 dot org an email from tsh at domain2 dot org to test-mailinglist at domain1 dot org and it successfully forwards to the googlemail account.  However, when I reply to that email (did it as a test), it sends the mail to the originating sender e.g. the sender who sent it to the forwarder ?
[22:41:33] <pickcoder> that's how aliases work
[22:41:36] <tsh_> so it gets sent to tsh at domain2 dot org
[22:41:52] <tsh_> shouldn't it send it back to the googlemail as thats where mail for test-mailinglist is destined for ?
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[22:42:24] <pickcoder> not according to the aliases protocol
[22:42:44] <pickcoder> you need to add a reply-to header if you want it to reply back to someone other than the original from
[22:46:56] <xpoint> can one help me to configure amavisd 2.6.0 with mysql, the README.sql-mysql does not really seems right here, msgs table fails with #1005 - Can't create table './amavisd260/msgs.frm' (errno: 150), with imho is interger not found on mysql but need to be int, can one confirm it for me ?
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[23:04:31] <pickcoder> is there a tool available to list and delete deferrals based on error code
[23:06:25] <loompek> pickcoder why don't you do a bash scripting with mailq (postqueue -p)
[23:06:46] <pickcoder> I'm playing with awk at the moment
[23:07:11] <xpoint> and why do you not reject unverified sender or recipient :-)
[23:07:46] <loompek> yeha.. mailq, grep, awk and postsuper is prolly all you need
[23:07:50] <pickcoder> sometimes it's not an issue of verification.. it's a smap filter problem
[23:07:52] <loompek> you can also use for, ... etc
[23:07:54] <pickcoder> spam
[23:07:55] <xpoint> well this not solve my mysql config
[23:08:05] <xpoint> with amavisd
[23:08:38] <pickcoder> loompek: I'm sure there are others who would love such a tool, if it was part of postsuper
[23:09:15] <loompek> yeah.. postsuper -d SPAM
[23:09:16] <loompek> :)
[23:09:21] <loompek> postsuper -d VIRUS
[23:09:39] <xpoint> dont accept it in the first place
[23:09:46] <loompek> postsuper -d EVERYTHINGTHATJUSTHOGSMYMAILQ
[23:09:49] <pickcoder> this is outgoing mail that's bouncing
[23:09:53] <loompek> that's be nice ;)
[23:10:00] <loompek> s/s/d/
[23:12:14] <pickcoder> for some reason awk isn't splitting the mailq line by space
[23:13:30] <pickcoder> nevertheless I got it
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[23:22:58] <MrPunkin> how do you totally disable local delivery / system mails?
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[23:28:43] <pickcoder> that's not a good idea
[23:29:24] <pickcoder> make sure cron jobs have MAILTO=""
[23:29:53] <pickcoder> if you don't want cron jobs sending mail to root or whomever
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