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[00:35:38] <markl_> ok if i am setting up a transports file, do i just have to add this to main.cf: transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
[00:35:51] <markl_> because i created that file and ran postmap
[00:35:56] <markl_> but it seems to be ignoring it
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[00:44:06] <stou> sorry... this may be off topic but since I run postfix, don't really know where else to turn... some spammer is ending e-mail with the from field being 'www at mydomain dot com' where myserver is obviously my domain
[00:44:12] <stou> there's nothing I can do about it... is there?
[00:45:17] <markl_> i don't think so, apart from making sure your SPF records are up to date
[00:47:02] <stou> SPF records?
[00:47:32] <stou> my fear is that... more servers will start thinking my server is a spam place... and so legit mail won't get through
[00:47:57] <stou> markl_, http://www.openspf.org/ ?
[00:48:06] <markl_> no, they generally will track spam back to the ip address that sent it
[00:48:11] <markl_> or else use content filters
[00:48:23] <stou> ah... nice
[00:48:25] <markl_> yes openspf.org
[00:48:40] <markl_> deliverability is painful, there is no easy fix for it
[00:48:48] <markl_> just have to be persistent
[00:48:55] <stou> I've run the open relay test on my mail server... and it's not relying mail.
[00:49:09] <stou> arghm... I mean it's not relying mail openly
[00:49:11] <markl_> that's good
[00:50:13] <stou> SPF seems fairly straight forward actually.
[00:54:45] <stou> Oh a minor problem I am having.  I have automated mail (web-server crashes) being sent to an address (admin at mydomain dot com) that somehow ends up in my mailbox (I can't figure it out).
[00:55:44] <stou> I want to use procmail, to copy the message from my inbox to a shared/public namespace... so that it is sent to both my inbox (for my Phone to read) and to the shared mailbox so others can read it.
[00:56:22] <stou> but I can't get procmail to do it at all... I can't get it to log anything either.
[00:56:49] <stou> Is there some more straight forward way to do this in postfix directly? that is... have mail be delivered to a shared mailbox AND a normal user
[00:58:02] <stou> ah, the mail gets delivered to me because I am aliased to the admin at mydomain dot com user in /etc/aliases
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[01:07:01] <stou> is there some config parameter like virtual_gid_maps that will let me specify the group permissions?
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[01:23:19] <m_newton> Hello, can i get some help with postfix
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[01:24:14] <m_newton> Postfix users, if you go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix ; You will see commands like this [sudo postconf -e 'myhostname = server1.example.com'] what do i do at this point, I want to use my no-ip account to rescieve the mail.
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[01:29:20] <dan__t> $myhostname is a default placeholder.
[01:29:25] <dan__t> iirc
[01:29:33] <dan__t> Or is that amavisd....
[01:29:52] <dan__t> Using a no-ip account to receive email is a very bad idea, for the record.
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[01:31:54] <m_newton> dan__t, then what do you suggest?
[01:32:08] <dan__t> For which part?
[01:32:31] <m_newton> dan__t, no-ip replacement; preferabbly something secure
[01:33:00] <m_newton> dan__t, also can you elaborate on what a defaukt placeholder is
[01:33:40] <cite> m_newton: postconf -e myhostname='my-name.no-ip.org'
[01:33:45] <shasta> $myhostname isn't a default placeholder
[01:33:57] <shasta> it's one of the most important configuration parameters
[01:34:02] <cite> m_newton: Receiving mails behind a dialup connection (e.g., DSL, Cable) is a bad idea.
[01:34:09] <shasta> !basic
[01:34:10] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:34:13] <shasta> m_newton, ^^^^^^
[01:34:34] <m_newton> cite thanks
[01:35:01] <m_newton> cite what do you mean, it is a bad idea?
[01:35:36] <m_newton> shasta, ya i am looking at that right now
[01:36:32] <shasta> cite and dan are right, by the way
[01:36:35] <dan__t> Sorry, had a phone call.
[01:36:53] <dan__t> Speed and slowness aside, DNS makes mail on a non-persistent, dynamic connection miserable.
[01:37:20] <shasta> also, many, *MANY* people configure their mail systems to reject (or mark as spam) emails coming from dialups
[01:37:26] <dan__t> If it was a slow connection - fine, that usually might not suck as bad.  But when dynamic IPs are throw in the mix, you might as well give up.
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[01:37:31] <dan__t> Fact.
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[01:53:13] <p_masho> hope someome can hhlp me with this problem... I got a "root" server and am developer in extjs/php server side.. The application uses phpmailer to send emails...
[01:54:25] <p_masho> and it works... However I want the Bounce backs to go to the $sender rather than root? Hace tried mail() = php, smtp = remote login and sendmail...
[01:55:04] <p_masho> I cant figure out How to make the emails bounce back to the $from address?
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[01:57:17] <p_masho> vice-versa: thanks to you..  I showed someone today .. "qshape".. she i snow more empowered ;-)
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[03:23:40] <aniasis> hello
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[03:25:07] <karega> I am unable to send or receive e:mails I don't have any idea why either
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[03:25:54] <karega> I am using postfix + TLS + SASL w/ Squirrel Mail but I am unable to send mail.
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[03:28:08] <karega> ballen you there?
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[03:31:25] <karega> hello
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[03:35:38] <karega> hello
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[03:44:58] <m_newton> how to uninstall postfix
[03:47:46] <karega> depends on how you installed it
[03:49:57] <snadge> apt-get remove postfix ;)
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[03:59:03] <higuita> or make uninstall
[03:59:52] <karega> If I setup postfix I should be able to send e:mails to my gmail account
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[04:07:30] <karega> hello
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[04:09:35] <vice-versa> was that a question or a thought?
[04:09:56] <karega> A questoin
[04:10:01] <karega> for thought
[04:10:19] <karega> because I think I setup postfix correctly but I can't send/receive any mails
[04:10:38] <karega> i setup postfix + TLS w/ SASL
[04:12:10] <vice-versa> and your logs are saying what?
[04:12:30] <karega> nothing
[04:12:40] <karega> I'm going to restart everything
[04:12:44] <karega> in 1 sec
[04:12:44] <karega> BRB
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[04:22:56] <karega> vice-versa: http://pastebin.com/me65d5ae
[04:23:07] <karega> that is the error log
[04:23:10] <karega> I'm looking over it now
[04:24:09] <vice-versa> yeah that don't look good
[04:24:19] <vice-versa> !obvious
[04:24:20] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
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[05:05:37] <karega> I keep getting this error on Postfix startup
[05:05:39] <karega> warning: /usr/lib/postfix/cleanup: bad command startup -- throttling
[05:09:00] <vice-versa> that's a warning, the actual error may be logged prior to that
[05:09:12] <vice-versa> !obvious
[05:09:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
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[05:24:54] <karega> this is the fatal error fatal: trace: remove 06813901C0 log: Permission denied
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[05:28:56] <vice-versa> karega: stop postfix, run postfix set-permissions   then   postfix check
[05:31:37] <karega> `/usr/lib/postfix/dict_cdb.so': No such file or directory
[05:34:03] <vice-versa> you can ignore that
[05:34:25] <vice-versa> start postfix
[05:34:53] <vice-versa> check the logs again
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[05:38:23] <karega> started fine
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[05:39:53] <karega> okay I can send mail
[05:40:05] <karega> Now I must check to see if I can receive mail
[05:40:12] <karega> I am running Dovecot
[05:40:22] <karega> isn't that how I should receive mail?
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[05:41:28] <slackjr> hi someone can help me?? i has installed a fresh centos5 , using dovecot for sasl, but i getting this messages when trying tp send messages:  no SASL mechanisms,  any idea???
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[05:42:59] <karega> I'm not an expert but I'm sure that you must install SASL in addition to dovecot
[05:46:23] <vice-versa> !tell slackjr saslfinger
[05:46:26] <karega> this is the new warning I get from the logs
[05:46:28] <vice-versa> pastebin the output from saslfinger -c
[05:46:29] <karega> maildir access problem for UID/GID=33/33: create maildir file /var/www$
[05:47:12] <vice-versa> pastebin the complete error
[05:47:52] <vice-versa> karega: how did you go about setting this up, using some tutorial?
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[05:48:17] <karega> yes
[05:48:25] <vice-versa> !tutorial
[05:48:25] <knoba> vice-versa: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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[05:49:06] <karega> Okay...
[05:49:12] <vice-versa> !fish
[05:49:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for a life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !smtpd!=smtp
[05:50:00] <snadge> !smtpd!=smtp
[05:50:00] <knoba> snadge: "smtpd!=smtp" : Postfix smtpd_* and smtp_* configuration parameters are not the same thing. smtpd_ = server while smtp_ = client, the server-side receives mail whilst the client-side sends mail. (smtpd = server = receives mail) (smtp = client = sends mail)
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[05:51:09] <karega> postfix is the smtpd correct?
[05:52:03] <vice-versa> smtpd is a postfix service, as is smtp
[05:52:12] <karega> yes
[05:52:22] <karega> so I should be able to send and receive using postfix
[05:52:31] <vice-versa> yes
[05:53:56] <karega> why in my logs does it say this?
[05:54:53] <karega> arrg
[05:55:02] <karega> I'm using  ssh
[05:55:08] <karega> gotta copy
[05:56:24] <vice-versa> or get wgetpaste on the sever
[05:57:27] <karega> Jun 16 03:55:02 lookawho postfix/local[2907]: D50FC90199: to=<www-data at lookawho dot com>, orig_to=<www-data>, relay=local, delay=0.43, delays=0.37/0.02/0/0.05, dsn=5.2.0, status=bounced (maildir delivery failed: create maildir file /var/www/Maildir/tmp/1213588501.P2907.lookawho.com: Permission denied)
[05:57:45] <karega> Why is it trying to save to /var/www/Maildir?
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[05:58:58] <vice-versa> most likely that's the www-data users home directory
[06:00:06] <karega> I understand that
[06:00:19] <karega> but why if I am sending to a specific user?
[06:01:10] <vice-versa> not sure I follow you, www-data is the specific user you're sending to
[06:01:16] <vice-versa> orig_to=<www-data>
[06:01:21] <karega> No it isn't
[06:01:31] <karega> I am sendin to pappi
[06:02:24] <slackjr> knoba: tanks for this tools, but they report  mechaninsms on localhost is empty
[06:02:47] <vice-versa> karega: not according to to that log excerpt
[06:03:04] <vice-versa> slackjr: knoba is a bot
[06:03:09] <vice-versa> !stupidbot
[06:03:10] <knoba> vice-versa: "stupidbot" : heh, more like dumb ass human!
[06:03:33] <vice-versa> !knoba
[06:03:34] <knoba> vice-versa: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)
[06:03:51] <karega> Well according to the address i am e:mailing it should be
[06:04:48] <karega> my main.cf file should be sending to the Maildir of the user also
[06:05:08] <karega> I mean my main.cf is setup to send to the Maildir of the user
[06:05:34] <vice-versa> dunno, perhaps you got some unintentional aliases
[06:05:59] <vice-versa> pastebin the output from postconf -n
[06:06:42] <karega> http://pastebin.com/m48cf8161
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[06:11:16] <vice-versa> try changing home_mailbox = ~Maildir/  to  home_mailbox =Maildir/
[06:11:28] <vice-versa> as in, lose the ~
[06:11:33] <karega> I had it like that originally
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[06:12:15] <karega> what about my aliases file?
[06:12:53] <vice-versa> ok, then put it back, home_mailbox is the pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory
[06:13:03] <karega> yes
[06:13:10] <karega> did it
[06:13:12] <karega> restarted
[06:13:12] <vice-versa> and what about your aliases file?
[06:13:37] <karega> you said something about the aliases?
[06:14:31] <vice-versa> unintentional aliases
[06:14:53] <karega> ok
[06:14:59] <vice-versa> what's in /etc/aliases?
[06:16:22] <karega> 1 sec
[06:16:37] <karega> this is what happens when I send a mail to pappi at lookawho dot com
[06:16:40] <karega> http://pastebin.com/m246d61a4
[06:16:46] <karega> checking alias file now
[06:17:23] <karega> this is alias file
[06:17:24] <karega> http://pastebin.com/m28ee1267
[06:21:22] <karega> vice-versa: any idea?
[06:21:26] <slackjr> vice-versa: thanxs i solved my problem.
[06:21:48] <vice-versa> slackjr: what was it in the end?
[06:21:55] <vice-versa> missing sasl libs?
[06:22:56] <slackjr> nope, my mistake, in dovecot's configuration file, on socket listen i used master instead client.
[06:23:28] <vice-versa> ah
[06:24:05] <vice-versa> karega: how are you sending this email to pappi?
[06:24:13] <karega> from gmail
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[06:25:55] <vice-versa> and how is gmail supposed to send email to the lookawho.com domain?
[06:26:12] <karega> I don't know
[06:26:28] <karega> I suppose it uses IMAP
[06:27:02] <vice-versa> you have no mx for the domain and lookawho.com A 209.20.66.51 doesn't accept smtp connections
[06:27:20] <karega> how can you tell?
[06:27:50] <vice-versa> I checked
[06:28:09] <karega> So I have to setup MX and allow my A recs to accept smtp?
[06:28:59] <vice-versa> you need to learn some basic fundamentals of internet mail
[06:29:03] <karega> I have no idea about server administration
[06:29:37] <karega> well I know that MX recs are req'd but what situtation they are req'd in I am lost
[06:29:53] <karega> and I am learning the basics of internet e:mail as we speak!
[06:30:01] <vice-versa> no they're not, and this is what I'm on about
[06:30:06] <vice-versa> anyhow, try testing your server by using telnet on localhost
[06:30:33] <karega> what port?
[06:30:36] <vice-versa> or the postfix sendmail emulation binary
[06:31:24] <karega> port 25?
[06:31:40] <vice-versa> of course
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[06:32:59] <karega> oh
[06:33:10] <karega> I think I blocked that port in my ip-tables
[06:34:19] <vice-versa> for localhost?
[06:34:29] <karega> nope
[06:34:36] <karega> lemme check
[06:35:44] <karega> REJECT     0    --  anywhere             127.0.0.0/8         reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
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[06:36:02] <karega> REJECT     0    --  anywhere             anywhere            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
[06:37:21] <vice-versa> heh nice, well this isn't #iptables
[06:38:00] <karega> yeah well I realize that it could be a number of things
[06:38:07] <karega> I will remedy them later
[06:38:14] <karega> I must be up early
[06:38:24] <karega> thanks though vice-versa
[06:38:29] <vice-versa> sure
[06:38:34] <karega> Hopefully I can run into you again
[06:38:45] <karega> I may pick up a book too tommorow
[06:39:21] <vice-versa> 'The Book of Postfix' is my recommendation
[06:39:30] <vice-versa> good luck
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[06:47:38] <vice-versa> what a waste of time that was
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[09:34:33] <gonzales112> hi,i have some mails in the queue that are destined to thw wrong domain is it possible to rewrite the recipient address?
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[09:35:58] <f3ew> gonzales112, smtp_generic_maps?
[09:36:26] <gonzales112> f3ew, is it not just for local?
[09:36:39] <f3ew> smtp is for SMTP
[09:37:58] <gonzales112> i tried but it didn't work .i'll try to do it again
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[09:55:04] <gonzales112> f3ew, just to know that i understand . if i have messages to user@domain1 and i want to transform it to user@domain2
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[09:55:48] <gonzales112> i put in /etc/postfix/generic         user@domain2   user@domain2
[09:56:07] <gonzales112> and in main.cf smtp_generic_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/generic ?
[09:56:22] <f3ew> user@domain1 user@domain2
[09:56:27] <gonzales112> yes ues
[09:56:39] <gonzales112> mmm it doesn't work
[09:57:47] <gonzales112> i tried to test it with sendmail -bv
[09:57:55] <f3ew> resend the mail?
[09:58:30] <gonzales112> yes
[09:58:36] <gonzales112> postsuper -r
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[10:20:42] <gonzales112> f3ew, is the generic maps works both for changing the sender and the recipient?
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[10:25:34] <f3ew> yes
[10:26:38] <gonzales112> well it workd for the sender
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[11:16:49] <tellus> hello, I have a big problem i hope somone her can help my with. the alias maping dosent work om my server.
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[11:17:35] <tellus> virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf
[11:18:34] <tellus> In the log i get  unknown user
[11:19:13] <f3ew> what does postconf -n say?
[11:19:22] <f3ew> What's the exact error?
[11:19:26] <f3ew> !debug
[11:19:26] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[11:23:43] <tellus> postfix/virtual[7705]: E33B764731: to=<user at domain dot com>, relay=virtual, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "user at domain dot com")
[11:26:57] <tellus> do you wont my to post all of postconf -n ?
[11:27:12] <Velmont> I've got a NAT-ing router between the many small machines and the mail server, -- so I need to set up some relay on the router (riight?); is it smart/OK/easy to use postfix for that small purpose, or is there a supersimple small email server I should rather use to do that simple relaying?
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[11:28:40] <sid3windr> Heya - I'm a bit confused about all the timeout settings; I would like to increase the timout which causes "timeout after DATA from ..." on incoming SMTP connections, is it smtp_data_done_timeout, smtp_data_init_timeout or something else even? Thanks :)
[11:28:44] <f3ew> tellus that looks like a virtual_mailbox_maps issue
[11:29:01] <f3ew> Velmont, depends on what you need the hub to do
[11:29:37] <f3ew> smtp_data_xfer_timeout = 180s perhaps?
[11:31:27] <tellus> f3ew:  all the mail boxes work .. all the real acconts work but none aliases
[11:31:45] <sid3windr> hmpf, indeed, f3ew looks like it - seems I didn't scroll down enough in the docs :x
[11:31:48] <sid3windr> I'll try that -- thanks!
[11:32:22] <f3ew> sid3windr postconf | grep smtp_data
[11:32:58] <f3ew> tellus, v_a_m is used by smtpd, so when it gets to virtual, the address should already be rewrittn
[11:33:01] <f3ew> rewritten
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[11:43:05] <tellus> ok, but it it somting i sud do to make virtual_alias_maps work ?. i have googeld it a time ..
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[11:50:41] <tellus> I have fix it. :) a wrong line brake in master.cf.. Sorry
[11:51:10] <akke> I'm using a default debian postfix config (well, just some slight, required configuration changed) but when my website is sending email to a collection of registered users i seem to get errors like: #4.4.5 Too many connections from your host.
[11:51:27] <akke> they are held in mailq with that error... and they are all from one specific domain.
[11:51:39] <akke> is there a way to limit concurrent smtp connections to that specific domain?
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[11:52:57] <Velmont> f3ew: It will only relay emails on gw.example.com from the internal network 192.168.1.0/24 to mail.example.com (which runs postfix). Then accept mail from gw.example.com on mail.example.com... ---- So, - gw.example.com only needs to relay emails.
[11:53:03] <cite> akke: You can define a new transport in master.cf (a clone of smtp), route mail to that transport using a transport_maps entry and set <name>_destination_concurrency_limit to a lower falue.
[11:53:22] <akke> okay, thanks cite
[11:53:43] <cite> akke: But this is not really necessary. Postfix is fully abloe of handling this situation on it's own. The qmgr will detect the concurrency limit on it's own.
[11:53:49] <cite> s/abloe/able/
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[11:54:38] <akke> okay, so I actually shouldn't change anything?
[11:54:54] <cite> If you are not experiencing HUGHE delays, I wouldn't bother
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[11:55:52] <cite> IF you are really interested in how things work, you can read http://www.postfix.org/SCHEDULER_README.html - it describes pretty well how Postfix's qmgr handles cases like that.
[11:56:08] <cite> But as I said, I wouldn't care.
[11:56:26] <fusss> is there anyway to filter outgoing mail? I'm using simple filter to scan incoming messages and it's good, but outgoing messages are left untouched. Anyway I can get at them?
[11:57:41] <Velmont> ssmtp looks like the choice!
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[13:17:21] <EekZ`> hi guys
[13:17:41] <EekZ`> need a little help with a postfix issue i'm running into
[13:17:58] <EekZ`> actually more related to amavis
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[13:23:51] <zetbee> hi all.
[13:23:52] <zetbee> :)
[13:24:59] <zetbee> i have some problems with trying to log in via RoundCube WebMail.. The user is created with PostFix Admin. And there it looks fine.
[13:25:25] <sysmonk> zetbee: postfix doesn't have ANYTHING to do with roundcube
[13:25:30] <sysmonk> unless you have trouble sending out email
[13:25:33] <EekZ`> anyone know how to resolve the issue when /var/amavis/tmp is filling up with these types of directories: amavis-20080616T132130-28648
[13:25:41] <sysmonk> but even in that case, it'll be mostly the problem of roundcube, not postfix
[13:26:01] <sysmonk> EekZ`: not a postfix issue, ask on #amavis ( or whatever that channel name is )
[13:26:11] <EekZ`> i am .. but no one is alive there...
[13:26:19] <sysmonk> but my gues would be amavisd doesn't remove temporary files, and a solution would be a cron script which cleans them up
[13:26:45] <sysmonk> or, the better one, trying to find the root cause of it not removing the files
[13:26:59] <sysmonk> unless those are quarantined emails, but the name doesn't sound like that
[13:27:17] <EekZ`> yes, i'm trying to find the cause but i'm not familiar with postfix or amavis unfortunately
[13:27:28] <sysmonk> EekZ`: it doesn't have anything to do with postfix
[13:27:33] <sysmonk> it's amavisd problem/files
[13:27:36] <EekZ`> ok, yes
[13:27:37] <zetbee> i mean almost fine because when i add the domain on /postfixadmin/admin - it's there - and when I add user to the user table in the same administration panel - it's there... BUT - if I login as a standard admin via /postfixadmin/login.php - the domain that i've just created and user - doesn't exist at all... it's strange..
[13:28:14] <sysmonk> zetbee: #postfix != postfixadmin
[13:28:28] <sysmonk> postfixadmin is a third party app which isn't supported by #postfix community
[13:28:35] <zetbee> 13:23 -!- zetbee [n=zetbee at 80 dot 51.132.165] has joined #postfixadmin
[13:28:39] <zetbee> :)
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[13:28:58] <sysmonk> great, go fetch em :P
[13:29:16] <zetbee> sysmonk: :)
[13:29:21] <zetbee> blah. :D
[13:29:49] <zetbee> sysmonk: maybe if you let me finish - you will know that is a postfix issue.
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[13:30:24] <zetbee> and then - i'm trying to login via webmail interface with newly created user (with postfixadmin of course)
[13:30:30] <sysmonk> zetbee: i know it's not
[13:30:49] <sysmonk> zetbee: you don't see users in postfixadmin - not a postfix problem
[13:30:50] <zetbee> and then - the: sudo tail -f /var/log/mail.log
[13:31:01] <zetbee> gives me something like this:
[13:31:05] <sysmonk> you can't do something with webmail ( except sending mail ) - not a postfix problem
[13:31:22] <zetbee> Jun 16 12:38:57 zapytaj-gugla imapd[70]: authentication error: Input/output error
[13:31:25] <zetbee> Jun 16 12:38:57 zapytaj-gugla authdaemond[61]: mysql_query failed second time, giving up: Unknown column .crypt. in .field list.
[13:31:34] <sysmonk> zetbee: which part says it's postfix?
[13:31:37] <sysmonk> i see imapd and authdaemond
[13:31:40] <sysmonk> which is NOT postfix
[13:32:31] <zetbee> ok. :D sysmonk you are really helpfull.. :D glad to see you on this # :) at least can you tell me is there any imapd or authdeamond channel?
[13:32:48] <sysmonk> depends on what you're using
[13:33:00] <zetbee> Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.3
[13:33:07] <sysmonk> i mean imapd software
[13:33:17] <sysmonk> and authdaemond is courier i think
[13:33:28] <sysmonk> so try asking #courier community ( if there is such )
[13:33:42] <sysmonk> and, as far as i see from the errors, there are problems with your mysql database structure
[13:33:46] <sysmonk> which, again, is created by postfixadmin
[13:33:52] <sysmonk> and we get back to #postfixadmin
[13:33:53] <sysmonk> ;)
[13:34:18] <zetbee> :)
[13:34:38] <zetbee> ok - when i give imapd in command-line it's displays some strange thing...
[13:34:38] <sysmonk> so, it could be: 1. your postfixadmin table creation failed 2. you misconfigured your authdaemond and trying to fetch wrong info
[13:34:45] <zetbee> zetbee$ imapd
[13:34:45] <zetbee> chdir ./Maildir: No such file or directory
[13:34:45] <zetbee> * BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: ./Maildir: No such file or directory
[13:35:03] <sysmonk> zetbee: what channel are you on right now?
[13:35:12] <zetbee> eeee... postfix?
[13:35:14] <zetbee>  :D
[13:35:16] <sysmonk> yeees
[13:35:20] <sysmonk> and what problems are you pasting?
[13:35:22] <sysmonk> postfix related?
[13:35:24] <sysmonk> or imapd related?
[13:35:30] <zetbee> eeeee... imapd realted?
[13:35:34] <sysmonk> right
[13:35:34] <zetbee> *related
[13:35:46] <sysmonk> soo... maybe try asking it on imapd related channel?
[13:35:47] <sysmonk> ;)
[13:36:00] <sysmonk> or pay me money and i'll fix it
[13:36:01] <sysmonk> ;PP
[13:36:51] <Trengo> need root
[13:37:08] <zetbee> You are really funny - really. :D but useless with your ideas... I can you money for trying to be nice for people. :D
[13:37:12] <zetbee> Trengo: where? :D
[13:37:40] <Trengo> to fix it for you
[13:37:46] <Trengo> and a signed contract
[13:37:55] <zetbee> hahaha :D and what else.. :D
[13:38:06] <zetbee> ah - a contract - that what I thought. :D
[13:38:56] <sysmonk> zetbee: i help people with postfix and software i use
[13:39:00] <sysmonk> i don't use courier
[13:39:03] <sysmonk> i don't use authdaemond
[13:39:05] <sysmonk> i don't use roundcube
[13:39:08] <zetbee> Trengo: You are on the #postfix - You have NO IDEA about imapd and related services... :D
[13:39:13] <sysmonk> i don't use postfixadmin
[13:39:24] <sysmonk> so if you want help with _that_ from me - pay me
[13:39:28] <Trengo> zetbee i do, im on dovecot as well
[13:39:29] <cite> sysmonk: Do you use /bin/sh sometimes? ;)
[13:39:45] <sysmonk> cite: always ( note: /bin/sh, and not /bin/bash )
[13:39:46] <zetbee> sysmonk: ok. Yes - propably you are managing postfix with pure SQL - great.
[13:39:49] <sysmonk> although for shell i use tcsh
[13:39:53] <sysmonk> for scripting - sh
[13:40:01] <Trengo> but zetbee you couldnt fix your mysql problem, and you have no idea how to fix it.
[13:40:16] <Trengo> helping you is going to be long, and fruitless, im afraid
[13:40:26] * vice-versa hides sysmonk's coffee
[13:40:27] <Trengo> and you dont let people guide you
[13:40:36] <sysmonk> zetbee: i've told you alot: i've told you it's not postfix problem, i've told you that problem lies with your database structure, cause authdaemon can't find a collumn
[13:40:41] <cite> sysmonk: I think we both consider it a bad idea to write shell code which will NOT run on a /bin/sh which is linked to a ksh97 ;)
[13:40:42] <sysmonk> i've told you where to get the info
[13:40:56] <zetbee> sysmonk: Thank You
[13:41:06] * cpm slaps sysmonk "calm down son!"
[13:41:27] <sysmonk> cite: i hate when people 'code' in bash, and for it to run you just have to change /bin/sh to /bin/bash
[13:41:31] <sysmonk> err, /bin/bash to /bin/sh
[13:41:37] <sysmonk> but noooo, they still shabang /bin/bash
[13:42:05] * sysmonk slaps cpm with 'the book of postfix'
[13:42:30] <zetbee> Trengo: ehh.. Yes... Maybe i'll try everything from the scratch - it will be much faster - building and configuring things once again - than looking for some misstypes in imapd.conf
[13:42:33] <cpm> Hey, I'm just sitting here, yer the one getting all wound up. lay off the coffee
[13:42:34] <cpm> :)
[13:42:39] <cite> sysmonk: Experience tells me that writing code which is not protable will bite you in the back when you expect it the least.
[13:43:06] <sysmonk> cite: yup ;/
[13:43:17] <sysmonk> and not having documentation for it
[13:43:22] <cite> Of course, you could always blame your CIO.
[13:43:24] <cite> :)
[13:43:45] <sysmonk> we don't have one out here :P
[13:44:18] <cite> Uh oh.
[13:44:20] <zetbee> courier-auth config
[13:44:22] <zetbee> :)
[13:44:26] <zetbee> i found it! :D
[13:44:38] <zetbee> Yeah :D
[13:44:55] <zetbee> nice and quick. :) smooth and easy... :D cool and juicy. :D
[13:45:09] <cite> Can I have some of your weed, please?
[13:45:14] <vice-versa> cpm: get boba and bobb sorted out?
[13:45:17] <zetbee> :)
[13:45:30] <zetbee> cite: it's just finish.. :D few minutes ago... :D
[13:45:50] <sysmonk> bubba ?
[13:47:22] <f3ew> cpm, code is never portable ;)
[13:47:36] <cpm> f3ew, nope, never is.
[13:47:45] <cpm> vice-versa, nope
[13:48:34] * f3ew only uses /bin/bash for bash specific stuff
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[13:50:17] <cpm> vice-versa, works fine everywhere except the one server on which I wanted to use it.
[13:50:38] <f3ew> heh
[13:50:39] <cpm> that server is very old, running 2.1.5, which I *thought* supported it.
[13:50:48] <vice-versa> yeah, sort of why I'm interested in the resolve
[13:50:49] <f3ew> oops
[13:50:56] <f3ew> vice-versa err?
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[13:51:29] <vice-versa> f3ew: ?
[13:51:40] <f3ew> resolution of what?
[13:51:59] <vice-versa> cpm's aliasing woes
[13:52:50] <f3ew> Did I miss something?
[13:53:12] <vice-versa> it was like 3 days ago, so perhaps ;)
[13:57:37] <f3ew> cpm what was the issue?
[14:00:03] <EE_BB> hii all I am using postfix for spam gateway. there isnt domain Postfix just accept mail and test for spam and forward to exchange server. I am using relay_domains = x.com now I need to give permission to specific ip  to make relay on postfix
[14:00:40] <f3ew> EE_BB, either a check_client_access and/or permit_mynetworks
[14:01:44] <EE_BB> permit_mynetworks didnt work under smtpd_recipient_restrictions with relay_domains parameter
[14:02:58] <cpm> f3ew, recipient_bcc_maps not working
[14:03:39] <f3ew> ah
[14:04:05] <vice-versa> err, yeah my bad, bcc maps not aliases
[14:06:28] <cpm> just doesn't pick them up. like it isn't supported or something. I though 2.1.x supported it.
[14:07:43] <f3ew>  recipient_bcc_maps = type:table
[14:07:43] <f3ew>     Search the specified "type:table" lookup table with the envelope recipient address for an automatic BCC address. This feature is available in Postfix 2.1 and later.
[14:07:56] <f3ew> what does postconf | grep bcc say?
[14:08:34] <cpm> returns as expected "recipient_bcc_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc"
[14:09:10] <cpm> postconf -q boba at domain dot tld hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc returns expected value of bobb at domain dot tld
[14:09:26] <cpm> but mail to boba, just rolls on through to boba
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[14:11:00] <f3ew> Hmmm, this is done by cleanup
[14:11:07] <f3ew> Run that in verbose mode perhaps?
[14:12:17] <EE_BB> permit_mynetworks didnt work under smtpd_recipient_restrictions with relay_domains parameter
[14:12:43] <EE_BB> this is right or I am making a mistake in somewhere
[14:12:56] <cpm> run cleanup in verbose?
[14:13:03] <f3ew> yes
[14:13:14] <f3ew> EE_BB did you add the IP to mynetworks?
[14:14:41] <EE_BB> yes I did
[14:15:02] <EE_BB> x.x.x.0/24
[14:16:12] <EE_BB> do I add permit permit mynetworks under  smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[14:19:02] <vice-versa> unless you changed it in main.cf, the default is: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination
[14:19:10] <vice-versa> postconf smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[14:20:34] <cpm> f3ew, well, running cleanup -vvv never turned anything for recipient_bcc_maps
[14:20:59] <cpm> did put lots of stuff in the logs I wish wasn't there :)
[14:21:19] <f3ew> Are you sure it's 2.1.5?
[14:21:22] <cpm> looked up always_bcc, but not recipient_bcc_maps
[14:21:28] <cpm> not positive, no.
[14:21:30] <cpm> lemme check
[14:22:52] <cpm> mail_version returns 2.1.5
[14:22:55] <cpm> hrmm
[14:23:09] <cpm> not acting like it though
[14:23:31] <f3ew> Is mail_version explicitly set?
[14:24:19] <cpm> interesting
[14:24:33] <cpm> in my cleanup -vvv dump, hiding deep in there, is
[14:24:35] <cpm> dict_update: mail_version = 2.0.19
[14:24:42] <cpm> that explains it.
[14:25:02] <cpm> explains a lot of things actually
[14:25:29] <cpm> but no, mail_version isn't explicitly set
[14:25:39] <EE_BB> relay_domains parameter does prevent anything ??
[14:26:31] <f3ew> Hmmmm
[14:26:46] <f3ew> Then your cleanup is from an older Postfix install
[14:26:57] <f3ew> Highly interesting
[14:29:29] <cpm> well, installed cleanup, and cleanup in the 2.1.5 source tree are different
[14:30:58] <cpm> this is going to be delicate.
[14:32:06] <f3ew> how was it installed?
[14:32:17] <f3ew> you could upgrade the whole thing to 2.5.x
[14:35:48] <cpm> installed from source. I could, might even
[14:36:32] <cpm> don't think I'm going to do it first thing monday morning though :)
[14:37:21] <vice-versa> have a quick look see to see what else may be out of sync version wise
[14:37:46] <vice-versa> strings /usr/lib/postfix/* | grep ^mail_version=
[14:37:52] <cpm> everything in libexec
[14:38:17] <vice-versa> yuk
[14:39:47] <f3ew> Probably the best time
[14:39:57] <f3ew> you definitely don't want to do it on a Friday evening
[14:40:11] <cpm> sunday is nice for things like that.
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[14:45:55] <cpm> making now
[14:46:44] <cpm> what's the magic word for upgrading main.cf ?
[14:47:21] <vice-versa> upgrade-configuration
[14:48:04] <lunaphyte_> will this help stop spam? http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp
[14:48:16] <dragonheart> cpm: postconf -e   - what magic are you after
[14:49:18] <vice-versa> lunaphyte: only if it's installed on the forward facing interface
[14:49:38] <lunaphyte_> ok, well i ordered 2, for failover.
[14:50:20] <vice-versa> yup, make sure the directional arrows point in the direction of incoming spam though
[14:50:51] <lunaphyte_> what do i do if some of my users send spam though?
[14:51:18] <vice-versa> you'll have to get one for each workstation too
[14:51:28] <lunaphyte_> f@ck!
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[14:52:19] <lunaphyte_> i'll have to find cheaper workstations.  does anyone know where i can get computers at around 2.99 per foot?
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[14:53:47] <vice-versa> the local e-waste recycle depot has some pretty amazing deals
[14:54:34] <lunaphyte_> perfect.
[14:54:39] <cpm> well, that didn't go well.
[14:54:46] <vice-versa> have a browse through their on-line catalog
[14:55:40] <f3ew> cpm make upgrade does not touch main.cf
[14:56:41] <cpm> right, have to run postfix upgrade-configuration
[14:57:05] <f3ew> Do you really need that?
[14:57:15] <cpm> system got grouchy, put the old one back
[14:57:24] <cpm> will fiddled with it later.
[14:57:34] <cpm> sasl went bork
[14:57:51] <cpm> need which, upgrade configuration?
[14:57:53] <cpm> don't think so.
[15:06:21] <EekZ`> hey ... a quick question... i'm troubleshooting a mail problem with unsufficient knowledge of postfix. Could the following error explain why i cant make connections to the postfix smtp server?  Error accepting AF_UNIX connection, opened connections: 100, max: 100
[15:15:43] <vice-versa> what's at the begging of the error?
[15:15:54] <vice-versa> *beginning
[15:16:45] <Velmont> Hello, how to relay email to  example.com  to smtp.example.com, and all the rest to smtp.isp.com?
[15:19:47] <vice-versa> with relayhost = smtp.isp.com and a transport for example.com
[15:20:27] <vice-versa> see transport(5) for details and examples
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[15:22:03] <Velmont> vice-versa: Nice, found it :-)
[15:22:15] <Velmont> vice-versa: The examples were nice.
[15:41:50] <f3ew>  Error accepting AF_UNIX connection, opened connections: 100, max: 100 EekZ`, does that help?
[15:43:31] <vice-versa> can someone have a quick check to see if they can access http://psbl.surriel.com/
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[15:44:51] <Dominian> vice-versa: nope.. appears that its timing out
[15:45:04] <vice-versa> thanks Dominian
[15:45:09] <Dominian> np
[15:50:36] <EekZ`> f3ew, does what help?
[15:51:16] <EekZ`> I am not seeting the AF_UNIX error anymore... and now can properly connect to the smtp server. I think it was very  busy for a while... :/
[15:51:25] <f3ew> EekZ` yup
[15:51:37] <EekZ`> thanks anyway
[15:52:02] <EekZ`> greetings for the Netherlands, the next European Champion ;)
[15:52:26] <lennard> we rock! :P
[15:53:43] <EekZ`> :)
[15:53:46] <EekZ`> time to go out
[15:53:48] <EekZ`> tc!
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[16:06:51] <Sysctl___> hey all, when sites email policy mentions something about that they don't like forged headers, how exactly do they define that? some of our sites send email out from different domains and will change the sender address to that domain. would _that_ be considered forged header data?
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[16:24:54] <mrayyan> guys, what kind of setup do I need to only accept email from a specific email address?
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[16:47:35] <fiftycal> what file do postgrey triplets live in?  I want to manually remove some entries.
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[16:51:32] <eject_ck> Hi, all. I'm playing with postfix+mysql. Have question - how make distribution group ? As I see it's possible only create alias. Problem is that I need 'dynamic' ALL grop. Is it possible ? Thanks!
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[16:53:58] <lawnchair> is there a way for postfix to automatically copy a mail to one user when its desitned for another. e.g. any mail sent to user1 at domain dot com send to that user *as well as* user2 at domain dot com
[16:54:16] <f3ew> !always_bcc
[16:54:16] <knoba> f3ew: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
[16:54:20] <lawnchair> f3ew, thanks man
[16:54:24] <f3ew> !recipient_bcc_maps
[16:54:25] <knoba> f3ew: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[16:54:29] <f3ew> !sender_bcc_maps
[16:54:30] <knoba> f3ew: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
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[16:56:57] <eject_ck> No answer for my question ?
[16:57:22] <f3ew> eject_ck, a dynamic ALL group is just another query, surely?
[16:57:33] <f3ew> make another map, put your query into it
[17:03:07] <Raphux> Helo
[17:03:08] <mrayyan> guys, I am getting: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from... 554
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[17:03:50] <Raphux> I don't understand why header_checks doesn't apply when there are multiple RCPT?
[17:04:31] <Raphux> I have a simple rule : /\+spam@its/                            REDIRECT spamits at mydomain dot com
[17:05:09] <Raphux> This rule works when the is a single RCPT, but don't work when there is multiple RCPT
[17:05:46] <Raphux> Can someone explain me why? I didn't find anything on the header_checks(5) manual
[17:07:53] <f3ew> Raphux it should work
[17:08:02] <Raphux> but it doesn't :)
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[17:09:13] <Raphux> cleanup doesn't even trigger on the mail.
[17:10:06] <f3ew> Is that a header, or a recipient?
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[17:14:05] <eject_ck> f3ew, can explain what you suggest exactly ?
[17:14:07] <Raphux> Mmmm not sure about the difference?
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[17:15:40] <Raphux> f3ew, when i telnet my server, and I do a single RCPT TO, cleanup to the header_checks. If I enter RCPT TO several time, it doesn't trigger anymore.
[17:16:46] <Raphux> (all RCPT TO in the form "+spam@its")
[17:17:30] <f3ew> that's a recipient
[17:17:35] <f3ew> not a header
[17:17:50] <Raphux> So why does it work on a single one?
[17:17:51] <f3ew> Use a check_recipient_access instead
[17:17:55] <Raphux> Ok
[17:17:57] <Raphux> thx
[17:18:10] <f3ew> Postfix adds a custom header in smtpd for a single recipient message
[17:18:14] <f3ew> which cleanup sees
[17:18:21] <Raphux> Mmmmmm
[17:18:23] <Raphux> cool
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[17:46:10] <abraxxas>  I want to fetch some gmx pop3 accounts and deliver them to imap accounts on my mail server. Can someone point me to an howto?
[17:50:42] <lennard> man fetchmail
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[18:00:02] <abraxxas> Thanks i got found that out.
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[18:01:47] <|DeuS|> hi
[18:02:16] <|DeuS|> somebody use amavisd-new-2.6.0 with $enable_dkim_signing = 1; ?
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[18:06:39] <roe> |DeuS|, there is a lot of discussion about 2.6 and dkim checks on the amavis mailing list, I would investigate there
[18:07:33] <|DeuS|> my problem is that i dont know too many english :(
[18:07:46] <|DeuS|> (for send email to the mailing list)
[18:07:50] <roe> what language
[18:07:54] <|DeuS|> spanish
[18:08:50] <roe> spanish is common enough that you might be able to get help in either language.  The #amavis channel is usually dead, most of the activity happens on the mailing list
[18:09:50] <|DeuS|> can you give me the url of mailing list?
[18:09:55] <|DeuS|> please
[18:10:08] <roe> I'm not using 2.6 yet, it hasn't made it into debian testing yet, sure one sec
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[18:11:11] <|DeuS|> i'm configuring a mail cluster active/active and i'm very interesed for amavis 2.6.0 but i can not use spam check and dkim signing in the same time :S
[18:11:29] <roe> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amavis-user
[18:11:29] <roe> .
[18:12:00] <|DeuS|> may be my problem is not of 2.6.0 feature
[18:12:40] <|DeuS|> i dont know how to check two times the same email.... 1 for send to amavis port 10024 and after 10025 (for send emails)
[18:12:40] <roe> I think 2.6 is the first time DKIM checks are included into amavis
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[18:13:11] <|DeuS|> yes but with 2.5.4 you can check spam and after send to any external plugin
[18:13:18] <|DeuS|> is the same problem
[18:13:31] <roe> if you say so, I use a very vanilla amavis
[18:14:44] <|DeuS|> i dont understand :S.  What does mean "vanilla amavis"?
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[18:17:42] <roe> regular, nothing fancy
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[18:18:49] <|DeuS|> ok i understand thabks.
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[18:26:26] <marfis> http://rafb.net/p/Olh1V434.html  -->  I get that message when polling mails from an exchange server... I can poll the same popbox with my thunderbird (Linux) without any problems, but exchange and also thunderbird (Win) produce that error and stall... may anybody has a clue and can tell me what the problem is? i'm sorry for short log, but it's the only line I get related to the problem... thanks...
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[18:31:01] <|DeuS|> my problem fixed i think: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html#dkim | check_sender_access regexp:/etc/postfix/filter_10024_catchall
[18:31:04] <|DeuS|> thanks ;D
[18:35:10] <marfis> i would really like to provide more info but I don't get more...
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[18:37:12] <marfis> ah, the mails are pulled with "pullmail" on the exchnage side...
[18:37:41] <cpm> oof
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[18:44:21] <wols_> question about posftix and RBLs: I get my main mailfeed via forward from gmail
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[18:44:50] <wols_> would that work with RBLs too fi all mail comes only from gmail but has possibly spammy received headers?
[18:56:30] <f3ew> wols_ no
[18:56:35] <f3ew> SpamAssassin
[18:56:53] * wols_ don't wanna SA. me luvs his server
[18:57:33] <wols_> with SA I'd probably need all my RAM and CPU only for SA itself
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[19:16:19] <bicchi> i am trying to add a second always_bcc in my main.cf but it seems that it can only forward the emails to one address
[19:16:43] <bicchi> i have tried separating them by commas and doesn't work.
[19:17:17] <f3ew> bicchi, the address yoju
[19:17:28] <bicchi> like: always_bcc = mail@test1com, mail at test2 dot com
[19:17:30] <f3ew> you forward to can be an alias to multiple addresses
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[19:18:19] <bicchi> there is no way to do it without using alias
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[19:20:13] <cpm> no
[19:20:32] <cpm> always bcc will go to one address, subsequent will be ignored
[19:22:28] <Korthrun> Can I get postfix to do per-virtual-domain logfiles without creating my own patches, or writing a bunch of syslog filters?
[19:23:16] <Korthrun> all hte per destination stuff I see looks to be specific to defferals
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[19:35:41] <mrayyan> guys, with this msg: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table
[19:35:49] <mrayyan> what param should I look at main.cf
[19:35:50] <mrayyan> ?
[19:35:52] <mrayyan> help?
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[19:42:40] <Korthrun> It means that postfix either hasn't been told that it is final destination for that domain, or that it is allowed to relay for that domain.
[19:42:57] <Korthrun> Which specific setting to look at depends on what you're actually trying to do
[19:43:12] <bicchi> how do i view my email aliases
[19:43:24] <mrayyan> ok
[19:43:25] <Korthrun> mrayyan: check out http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html
[19:43:56] <mrayyan> Korthrum how about: I want to only accept emails from abc.com domain
[19:44:03] <mrayyan> where do I get to specify that?
[19:45:39] <mrayyan> I think it is "smtpd_recipient_restrictions"
[19:45:50] <vice-versa> bicchi: postmap -s `postconf -h alias_database`
[19:45:53] <Korthrun> No, that will affect which you recieve for
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[19:47:18] <mrayyan> Korthrun then?
[19:48:16] <Korthrun> I think you want to look at smtpd_client_restrictions
[19:48:45] <mrayyan> ha... thanks
[19:48:57] <Korthrun> that might only be per IP though, im not 100% sure
[19:49:13] <Korthrun> otherwise check_client_access might work as well
[19:50:36] <shasta> sigh
[19:50:41] <shasta> Korthrun, don't give false advice :)
[19:50:52] <mrayyan> ha ha
[19:51:00] <mrayyan> shasta, whats your input into this then
[19:52:31] <shasta> "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table" means that there's no appropriate user entry in relay_recipient_maps
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[19:53:35] <shasta> and what do you mean by "only accept emails from abc.com domain"?
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[19:57:19] <mrayyan> well I want to reject all emails except emails coming from @abc.com
[19:59:26] <Korthrun> shasta: it wasn't intentional :p that's what made sense in what I looked at doc wise
[20:00:24] <Korthrun> and check_client_access won't restrict it how he wants?
[20:00:27] <shasta> no
[20:00:30] <Korthrun> if he blacklists everything
[20:00:34] <Korthrun> and whitelists @abc.,com
[20:01:23] <shasta> *_client_* in smtpd context is for hosts connecting to you
[20:01:38] <shasta> as in ip addresses / networks
[20:01:44] <Korthrun> ah ok so it will only affect wher epostfix accepts tcp connections from
[20:01:50] <Korthrun> my bad
[20:01:56] <shasta> not really (:
[20:02:15] <mrayyan> hmm ok
[20:02:28] <mrayyan> but isn't there a trust relay?
[20:02:43] <mrayyan> so I can add abc.com into trust relay.. so by default rejects everything except the trusted one?
[20:02:46] <shasta> even if you add 1.2.3.4 REJECT to the map for check_client_access, postfix will still accept tcp connection from 1.2.3.4, but it will reject the mail using smtp errorcodes
[20:02:53] <Korthrun> rightright
[20:03:01] <mrayyan> ok
[20:03:02] <shasta> mrayyan, you're not specific enough
[20:03:15] <mrayyan> yeah that might be my problem
[20:03:32] <Korthrun> Do you want to only _relay_ mail from abc.com, or only accept mail for delivery if it's from abc.com?
[20:03:39] <shasta> a) connection coming from a host with IP address that resolves (reverse dns) back to anything in .abc.com
[20:03:40] <mrayyan> accept
[20:03:55] <shasta> b) mail with MAIL FROM:<anyone at abc dot com>
[20:04:10] <mrayyan> a
[20:04:11] <shasta> c) mail with *header* From: Anyone <anyone at abc dot com>
[20:04:38] <mrayyan> cause what I have is... people send email to you at abc dot com    and abc COPIES that email to postfix
[20:04:54] <shasta> ?
[20:04:57] <mrayyan> so postfix need to detect "oh IP of abc is connecting to me... it is passing"
[20:05:03] <mrayyan> so option A
[20:05:58] <vice-versa> clear as mud
[20:06:08] <shasta> exactly my thoughts, vice-versa
[20:06:56] <mrayyan> ha
[20:07:16] <mrayyan> I just gave you my case scenario... here let me say it out again
[20:07:30] <mrayyan> 1. user send email from where ever to you at abc dot com
[20:08:19] <mrayyan> 2. ABC.com mail server receives the email into its inbox. Then send a copy to efg.com (postfix sitting in it)
[20:08:42] <mrayyan> 3. efg.com needs to accept emails coming from ABC.com
[20:08:55] <mrayyan> 4. Deny everything else
[20:08:59] <mrayyan> hope that was clear?
[20:09:32] <sysmonk> in the 4. you didn't sya which server :P
[20:09:37] <sysmonk> say*
[20:10:07] <mrayyan> 4. efg.com denies everything else :)
[20:10:28] <vice-versa> answer this, what is the requirement for having the mail duplication
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[20:12:13] <mrayyan> what or why?
[20:13:29] * vice-versa dumbs it down
[20:13:39] <vice-versa> why do you need to do this?
[20:15:11] <mrayyan> lol
[20:15:29] <mrayyan> it is complicated... but here it is:
[20:15:32] <shasta> whatever, check_client_access is the way to go
[20:15:45] <shasta> (in appropriate smtpd_*_restrictions)
[20:15:56] <mrayyan> 1. we need to use a separate mail server from abc.com MAIN mail server.......
[20:16:24] <mrayyan> 2. cause MAIN mail server is exchange... and the web application cannot access it
[20:16:41] <mrayyan> 3. Thus, we use postfix for the web app to be able to connect and retrieve
[20:17:12] <shasta> "postfix" and "retrieve" in one sentence is an oxymoron
[20:17:59] <mrayyan> ?
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[20:19:03] <shasta> "oh well"
[20:19:11] <vice-versa> indeed
[20:19:16] <shasta> at least he got his answer
[20:20:57] <vice-versa> the reason I ask why was he didn't have a firm grasp on mail concepts, so i just knew it was convoluted and most likely unnecessary
[20:23:34] * cpm doesn't have a firm grasp on sanity concepts
[20:25:01] <vice-versa> speaking of which, get your postfix libs straightened out?
[20:26:46] <cpm> nawp
[20:26:52] <cpm> going to just move it all to 2.5.2
[20:26:57] <cpm> next opportunity
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[20:38:04] <karega> hey guys
[20:43:23] <rob0> cpm, on our way back today.
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[20:45:33] <cpm> how'd it go?
[20:47:37] <dotplus> anyone know what happened to workaround.org?
[20:48:37] <rob0> Hmmm, Signum and knoba are not here, so I guess he's having technical difficulties. Please stand by.
[20:48:53] <vice-versa> most likely a temporary outage
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[21:06:39] <pr0t> can anyone help me I get this error Status: 5.4.4 (Permanent failure - routing/network: unable to route) when i send an email but the domain i am sending to is gmail.com why do i get this error?
[21:08:41] <Korthrun> get the list of mx's for gmail.com and see if you can traceroute to them or telnet to them on port 25. sounds like that server doesn't have a way to contact those servers
[21:09:43] <pr0t> okay let me try that
[21:09:52] <Korthrun> man I hate pronouns
[21:09:59] <Korthrun> sounds like your server, doesn't have a way to contact googles
[21:10:10] <Korthrun> points to you for understanding me
[21:10:36] <pr0t> :P
[21:11:16] <pr0t> the machine can ping google just fine
[21:11:18] <pr0t> no problem
[21:12:19] <rob0> I've never heard of SMTP over ICMP.
[21:12:49] <rob0> Sounds like it might be an instance of ISP blocking SMTP out.
[21:15:21] <magyar_> hi, have an odd issue, postfix is the mailgateway for an exchange server. Some emails are being delivered three for times to recipients and I see the queue for them in the postfix logs. What could cause this?
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[21:35:13] <mikealeonetti> how can I make postfix not send a DSN when a mailbox isn't found?
[21:36:06] <Dominian> er.. why?
[21:36:10] <Dominian> postfix is supposed to
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[21:37:28] <shasta> don't accept mail for non-existing accounts -- postfix by default doesn't, so you screwed something up
[21:40:33] <mikealeonetti> my relay yells at me for sending DSNs
[21:40:42] <mikealeonetti> aside from changing relays
[21:40:52] <mikealeonetti> I need to stop sending them
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[21:41:59] <shasta> i told you, don't accept mail for unexistant accounts; you won't have to send bounces then
[21:43:12] <mikealeonetti> is there a way to set up an account to accept all misdirected mail?
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[21:44:15] <shasta> why do you accept emails for nonexistant accounts?
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[21:51:06] <Korthrun> I thought sending dsns was part of some extention to the smtp rfc
[21:51:13] <Korthrun> why would they bitch about it?
[21:51:28] <Korthrun> or am I back to making shit up?
[21:52:09] <Korthrun> or is it ne of those "SHOULD"/"MAY" things and not "MUST"
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[21:58:51] <shasta> oh my
[21:59:01] <shasta> Korthrun, ever heard of "backscatter"?
[21:59:19] * lunaphyte_ has heard of scatbatter.
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[22:02:00] <tsh> Can anyon e help me out with what is going on here: http://rafb.net/p/KXdeTr26.html ?
[22:02:55] <pr0t> hey Korthrun and rob0 when i do telnet gmail.com 25 from ANY machine it doesn't work does it work from your machines/
[22:03:57] <shasta> pr0t, of course not, and it doesn't matter. you should test it by telnetting to the port 25 of any of gmail.com MX servers...
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[22:05:30] <pr0t> shasta, huh/
[22:05:34] <Korthrun> nod pr0t, you can use "dig" to query a list of MX records
[22:05:50] <shasta> pr0t, you have to know the difference between A and MX records
[22:05:53] <pr0t> well I dont think my email is being bounced
[22:05:56] <pr0t> cause of an acl issue
[22:05:59] <pr0t> or not being able to get out
[22:06:01] <shasta> ie. basics of SMTP
[22:07:01] <Korthrun> shasta: yeah I have heard of backscatter :p that goes with what you were saying though, about not accepting mail for non existant accounts
[22:07:33] <shasta> apparently mikealeonetti screwed his configuration and his system accepts such mails
[22:07:49] <shasta> thus it's likely to be a source of a backscatter
[22:07:51] <pr0t> maybe something else is wrong
[22:07:55] <pr0t> can anyoen tell me why i am getting this message
[22:07:58] <pr0t> Final-Recipient: rfc822; eyeareseeittits at gmail dot com
[22:07:58] <pr0t> Action: failed
[22:07:58] <pr0t> Status: 5.4.4 (Permanent failure - routing/network: unable to route)
[22:08:20] <shasta> pr0t, pastebin the _whole_ message
[22:08:47] <pr0t> what is it
[22:08:51] <pr0t> on my mail server
[22:08:53] <shasta> tsh, no evidence of postfix issues. your amavis has issues; but this is #postfix
[22:09:01] <pr0t> i am trying to forward my email and keep a copy in the box
[22:09:09] <pr0t> so i setup a forward and then send myself an email from the account
[22:09:19] <pr0t> I get two messages on is the legit message I sent the other one is the bounce back
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[22:20:02] <mikealeonetti> well, what I did was set up qmail to relay mail to the postfix server
[22:20:15] <mikealeonetti> and the postfix server denies the mail then qmail tries to send a DSN
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[22:21:45] <anuj> hi
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[22:22:35] <anuj> can i configure my postfix server in a way that mails of user1 are stored locally as well as relayed to another local (exchange server).
[22:23:12] <sysmonk> user1: user1, user1@exchange
[22:23:13] <anuj> is it possible?
[22:23:21] <adaptr> !recipient_bcc_maps
[22:23:22] <knoba> adaptr: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[22:23:46] <adaptr> sysmonk's is far easier, but mine is more l33t3r
[22:24:36] <sysmonk> adaptr: mor3 l33ter ? then let's use restriction classes and pipe the output to a scrpit which will retriew data from ldap, which has it's backend in mysql
[22:24:39] <sysmonk> :P
[22:25:13] <adaptr> I said l33t, not silly...silly
[22:25:17] <sysmonk> ;P
[22:25:23] <adaptr> because that would be silly
[22:25:54] <shasta> mikealeonetti, then fix your qmail, it's not postfix that sends DSNs.
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[22:29:15] <_apk> hi! :)
[22:32:38] <adaptr> hooo
[22:32:45] <adaptr> (watching socky)
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[22:57:36] <jimi_> Is there an option like always_bcc but for incoming ?
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[23:11:55] <hongry_> good afternoon good people (and bad ones too)
[23:12:46] <hongry_> I'm having a little trouble using my smtp+sasl rig that I just configured.  When I try sending out messages, it prompts me for a password, and keeps prompting.  in the log, I am receiving this error message: "warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory "
[23:12:55] <hongry_> Might anyone be able to assist me in resolving this issue?
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[23:16:46] <tsh> Can anyone shed any light on this: http://rafb.net/p/KXdeTr26.html its relating to amavis ?
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[23:18:23] <shasta> I already told you
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[23:18:33] <shasta> [22:08:53] < shasta> tsh, no evidence of postfix issues. your amavis has issues; but this is #postfix
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[23:19:12] <tsh> no your just repeating yourself, and I re-phrased it, as I expect someone in here runs amavis as well.
[23:20:41] <shasta> then ask on amavis-related channel/mailinglist
[23:20:52] <shasta> your amavis for some reason has trouble forking
[23:21:00] <shasta> not #postfix related in any way, sorry
[23:21:33] <shasta> postfix correctly handles connection from localhost, then passes the mail to amavis
[23:23:18] <tsh> i understand that, i just thought someone here might be able to help
[23:23:26] <tsh> i didnt think it would be much of an issue as no one is talking
[23:24:25] <shasta> hi everyone, my microwave oven is acting up; anyone able to help?
[23:24:28] <shasta> *evil grin*
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[23:32:07] <albergaria> hi there
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[23:32:21] <albergaria> ho can i force only one queue message to be delivered?
[23:33:30] <tsh> shasta, Ermm its not totally unrelated.
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[23:41:12] <rednul> is there a list of (good) mail servers that choke on greylisting that is out there?
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