[00:03:19] <vice-versa> trappist: hmm, not sure this is related, but you're half chrooted
[00:03:41] <trappist> I see - I only took one step to de-chroot, so it's certainly possible I missed something
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[00:03:58] <vice-versa> set all the chroot columns to n
[00:04:09] <vice-versa> and restart postfix
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[00:05:23] <vice-versa> bah, set everythin in the chroot column to n
[00:05:50] <trappist> yeah I got what you meant... I thought you'd nailed it, but I still get the same problem
[00:09:31] <trappist> I've run into this before, and I can't remember what fixed it
[00:10:26] <trappist> it's trying to connect to that mux socket, right?  so it's probably directory permissions somewhere?
[00:10:59] <vice-versa> yeah that's what i was thinking too
[00:11:30] <trappist> when I restart the service, it looks like it resets the permissions on /var/run/saslauthd.  is this adequate? : drwx--x--- 2 root sasl 140 Jun 14 17:48 /var/run/saslauthd/
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[00:12:55] <vice-versa> I would think it should be drwxr-x---
[00:13:16] <vice-versa> is postfix in sasl group?
[00:13:37] <trappist> chmod g+r didn't fix it and yeah, postfix is in the sasl group
[00:14:01] <vice-versa> have a look at this just to confirm, lsof -U | grep sasl
[00:14:42] <trappist> got 5 threads touching /var/run/saslauthd/mux
[00:14:50] * Zelest hugs his FreeBSD for sockstat :D
[00:17:00] <vice-versa> and perms for /var/run/saslauthd/mux
[00:17:03] <vice-versa> srwxrwxrwx ?
[00:17:06] <trappist> yep
[00:17:27] <trappist> if I change postfix's shell from /bin/false to bash and su to postfix:
[00:17:31] <trappist> postfix@concreteiron:~$ head -n1 /var/run/saslauthd/mux
[00:17:31] <trappist> head: cannot open `/var/run/saslauthd/mux' for reading: No such device or address
[00:17:51] <trappist> but the file command can read it enough to tell me it's a socket, whatever that means
[00:19:16] <vice-versa> it's a unix socket ;), but yeah that's all fine
[00:20:00] <trappist> no I know what it means when it says socket :) but I'm not quite sure if that means the postfix user is able to read it
[00:21:24] <trappist> ok if I run testsaslauthd as the postfix user, it works :/
[00:21:44] <vice-versa> good sign
[00:21:59] <trappist> I guess so, but what's up with the permission denied!
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[00:22:23] <vice-versa> permission denied?, thought it was unable to connect
[00:22:41] <trappist> warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied
[00:23:31] <vice-versa> warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Connection refused
[00:23:40] <vice-versa> that's what you showed earlier
[00:23:49] <trappist> oh crazy, I didn't notice the change!
[00:23:59] <trappist> changing error messages is usually a good thing
[00:24:22] <vice-versa> yeah. we're on to something
[00:24:30] <vice-versa> brb
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[00:27:19] <trappist> somebody on #ubuntu-server is recommending dovecot sasl, any experience with that?
[00:27:45] <vice-versa> not first hand, others here like it
[00:28:19] <vice-versa> doesn't does't client-side auth though if that's a requirement
[00:28:35] <vice-versa> s/does't/do/
[00:29:00] <trappist> not even sure what that means - my goal is to have users be able to use this server to send mails, with smtp auth
[00:29:28] <vice-versa> also, have a look for this, make sure there are no spaces after any lines in sasl configs, esp. paths
[00:29:41] <vice-versa> that's an issue iirc
[00:29:59] <trappist> checked, no trailing spaces or empty lines
[00:30:25] <vice-versa> client-side would be to auth with postfix's smtp client to other servers to send mail
[00:30:39] <trappist> oh right, no, I don't need that
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[00:31:00] <trappist> maybe I should run saslauthd with one thread, and strace that thread
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[00:31:33] <vice-versa> that and or increase the logging verbosity
[00:31:58] <vice-versa> but as far as dovecot, you're this close, I'd hang tight
[00:32:05] <trappist> yeah
[00:32:34] <trappist> got an empty trace somehow :/
[00:34:17] <vice-versa> so what was it that changed Connection refused to Permission denied?
[00:37:10] <trappist> I'm not getting any output from saslauthd in debug mode, when the failure happens, so I guess it's not getting that far
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[00:39:35] <madduck> i am trying to auth postfix client to a SASL server
[00:39:37] <madduck> i enforce TLS
[00:39:47] <ulmen>  /quit
[00:39:49] <ulmen> ups
[00:39:51] <madduck> the server announces AUTH PLAIN LOGIN only after STARTTLS
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[00:40:04] <madduck> I set mtp_sasl_tls_security_options = noanonymous
[00:40:09] <madduck> and smtp_sasl_mechanism_filter = PLAIN, LOGIN
[00:40:17] <madduck> but yet, the client still fails:
[00:40:25] <trappist> vice-versa: getting this in an strace of postfix's smtpd process: 19161 connect(11, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/saslauthd"}, 110) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[00:40:25] <madduck> postfix/smtp[24161]: warning: SASL authentication failure: No worthy mechs found
[00:40:51] <madduck> what gives?
[00:43:47] <trappist> vice-versa: does that look like it's trying to connect to the directory as a socket?
[00:44:34] <trappist> vice-versa: WTF!! it works if I append /mux to saslauthd_path in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
[00:44:39] <trappist> <3 strace
[00:46:24] <vice-versa> heh, what happens if you take saslauthd_path out altogether?
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[00:48:22] <trappist> prolly works :) lemme try it
[00:49:01] <trappist> yep it works.  leaving it that way.
[00:49:07] <vice-versa> hehe
[00:49:17] <vice-versa> good one to make a note on
[00:50:44] <vice-versa> now for madduck
[00:51:27] <vice-versa> !tell madduck saslfinger
[00:51:31] <vice-versa> let's see the output from that, saslfinger -c
[00:51:52] <trappist> vice-versa: thanks a bunch for the help :)
[00:51:59] <vice-versa> np mate
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[01:16:30] <vice-versa> madduck: you got this resolved or no?
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[02:03:19] <PodMan99a> hey all any docs or pointer for creating my own applications to run inside postfix for checking mail?
[02:04:45] <vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html
[02:13:46] <PodMan99a> thanks vice-versa
[02:13:59] <PodMan99a> can i add my own message headers to all mail passing in/out of my postfix server
[02:15:28] <PodMan99a> like spamassassin does
[02:26:21] <vice-versa> sure, why not, spamassassin does ;)
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[03:03:01] <vice-versa> !virt2local
[03:03:02] <knoba> vice-versa: "virt2local" : virtual(8) to local(8) aliases(5) : Create a local alias as usual, name: value1, value2, ... then add the virtual alias as user at domain dot tld --> name@localhost (localhost can be substituted for anything in mydestination)
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[03:35:20] * vice-versa beams
[03:35:26] <vice-versa> just figured out a way to do virtual domain aliases so you can have a simple 1 to 1 virtual to virtual domain mapping and maintain recipient validation
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[03:47:33] <roe_> congrats?
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[03:55:09] <vice-versa> umm, thanks?
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[04:24:17] <avgj0e> can anyone tell me what lang 'postfix policy daemons' are written in? I have a project which apparently requires a policy daemon be written
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[04:42:15] <dragonheart> avgj0e: can be any socket capable language. typicallyscripting languages like perl/python  however whatever you have the skills to develop/maintain
[04:42:52] <avgj0e> dragonheart: righto. thanks
[04:44:01] <dragonheart> what kind of funtionality are you looking at implementing?
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[04:44:57] <avgj0e> dragonheart: a *really* restrictive whitelist of addressees, checked both outgoing and incoming. each user will have maybe three or four addresses who they're allowed to correspond with
[04:45:32] <avgj0e> any email which fails the whitelist check must go into quarantine for later analysis
[04:46:49] <dragonheart> ok - interesting
[04:47:01] <avgj0e> it's for a high-security environment
[04:47:35] <dragonheart> some postgrey kind of implementations probably have a lot of the implementation done for you
[04:47:46] <avgj0e> how so?
[04:47:48] <dragonheart> should just need to tweek the logic
[04:48:15] <dragonheart> the match by address and do database lookups which is 1/2 of what you need
[04:48:27] <dragonheart> the/they*
[04:48:36] <avgj0e> yep, the hard part. the quantine management tool is easy (by comparison)
[04:51:57] <dragonheart> almost like a list management
[04:52:03] <dragonheart> have fun. gotta go
[04:52:17] <avgj0e> thx
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[08:15:39] <EoN> Hi guys. I'm having php send an email through 'Swift' from my server, and when monitoring mail.info, i see the following error:
[08:15:41] <EoN> Jun 15 02:09:27 203-222-333-444 postfix/smtp[16203]: ABDKEJ382JD: to=<person1 at exampleone dot com>, orig_to=<person1 at exampletwo dot com>, relay=mail.exampleone.com[203.222.333.444]:25, delay=2.6, delays=0.04/0.01/1.7/0.83, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mail.exampleone.com[203-222-333-444] said: 550-Verification failed for <www-data at foobar dot local> 550-The mail server could not deliver mail to www-data at foobar dot local.  The account or domain may
[08:15:53] <EoN> could anyone tell me why this might be occurring, and what i should fix?
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[08:34:24] <Bryanstein> hey guys...I am having troubles relaying mail
[08:34:48] <Bryanstein> actually I never have been able to send email from my client unless it is to my domain
[08:35:40] <sysmonk> !mynetworks
[08:35:41] <knoba> sysmonk: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[08:35:42] <sysmonk> !sasl
[08:35:42] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[08:35:44] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: ^^
[08:39:33] <Bryanstein> sysmonk,
[08:40:22] <Bryanstein> I have my ip with /32 in mynetworks...it was loop back at first, but neither allow relaying
[08:41:27] <gonzales112> Brettjb, what is your mynetworks look like
[08:42:13] <Bryanstein> lol I think you meant me ...like this
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[08:42:35] <Bryanstein> mynetworks = 192.168.1.1/32
[08:42:44] <Bryanstein> but that is not the ip of course
[08:43:34] <gonzales112> do you know how to set up SMTP Authentication?
[08:44:07] <gonzales112> Authentication
[08:44:35] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: /32 is _one_ host
[08:44:46] <sysmonk> is 192.168.1.1 your ip?
[08:45:00] <Bryanstein> yes I know...but  that should allow it to relay from that host right?
[08:45:12] <sysmonk> right
[08:45:23] <sysmonk> but is it your servers ip or your ip?
[08:45:29] <Bryanstein> servers
[08:45:47] <sysmonk> and you're sending the mail directly from the server?
[08:45:49] <sysmonk> or from your pc?
[08:45:53] <Bryanstein> pc
[08:46:01] <sysmonk> so you said 'relay all mail from server'
[08:46:07] <sysmonk> and you're sending from pc
[08:46:19] <Bryanstein> well when I am using imap
[08:46:30] <Extend> guys plz any good guide about integrating postfix with rbldnsd ?
[08:46:34] <Bryanstein> doesn't it send from the server though ?
[08:46:40] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: _no_
[08:46:46] <Bryanstein> I know the header shows my ip
[08:46:57] <sysmonk> you send through smtp in any way
[08:47:03] <sysmonk> you don't send mail through imap
[08:47:18] <Bryanstein> sorry I say that everytime lol
[08:47:22] <Bryanstein> lol
[08:47:24] <sysmonk> Extend: in what way?!
[08:47:41] <Extend> blacklist, whitelist, greylist
[08:48:04] <Extend> im running postfix & rbldnsd but i cant find a good odcumentation about the integration
[08:48:12] <sysmonk> Extend: ah, just run your rbldnsd and point postfix to it ;)
[08:48:15] <Extend> i want to know how can i reject the message befoe i receive it
[08:48:22] <Bryanstein> ok so do I need to set mynetworks_style
[08:48:27] <Extend> how can i point postfix to it ?
[08:48:41] <Bryanstein> or just leave that networks blank...
[08:48:50] <sysmonk> Extend: reject_rbl_client
[08:48:53] <sysmonk> !reject_rbl_client
[08:48:53] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "reject_rbl_client" is not a valid command.
[08:49:06] <Extend> well
[08:49:17] <sysmonk> Extend: weel http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#reject_rbl_client
[08:49:25] <Extend> thank u
[08:49:30] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: add _your_ network to it
[08:49:33] <Extend> and how about hte whitelist and grey list?
[08:49:48] <sysmonk> Extend: do  you know what's greylisting?
[08:49:59] <Extend> yes
[08:50:07] <sysmonk> doesn't have anything to do with dns..
[08:50:11] <Extend> yes
[08:50:17] <sysmonk> so .. ?
[08:50:19] <Extend> the integration to postfix
[08:50:26] <sysmonk> oh
[08:50:32] <sysmonk> !sqlgrey
[08:50:33] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "sqlgrey" is not a valid command.
[08:50:36] <sysmonk> !greylist
[08:50:36] <knoba> sysmonk: "greylist" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
[08:50:43] <sysmonk> here ya go :P
[08:50:52] <sysmonk> there are quite a few greylisting daemons for postfix
[08:50:54] <Extend> hehe
[08:50:59] <Extend> thank u & the bot
[08:51:41] <sysmonk> !learn greylist as Greylisting implementations for postfix: http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/postfix.shtml
[08:51:45] <sysmonk> !greylist
[08:51:46] <knoba> sysmonk: "greylist" : (#1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting, or (#2) Greylisting implementations for postfix: http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/postfix.shtml
[08:51:58] <sysmonk> check out the second link too
[08:53:38] <Bryanstein> sysmonk, tell me if I am wrong...my interpretation is that that mynetworks field could take a lot of networks, but shouldn't actually have EVERY net that will relay mail. As in users in Japan sending via  smtp I shouldn't need to add their net too correct
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[08:56:15] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: sure, but isn't 192.168./16 a 'local' network ?
[08:56:39] <sysmonk> unless you're based in japan, 192.168./16 shouldn't include any japaneese :P
[08:56:43] <Bryanstein> yes but that was a hypothetical C subnet
[08:56:47] <Bryanstein> lol
[08:57:12] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: so specify a network which SHOULD be relayed
[08:57:47] <sysmonk> oh, and by the way, i'd offer you to leave the default 127.0.0.1 in there, not really wise to remove it from there
[08:57:57] <Bryanstein> I had that
[08:58:04] <Bryanstein> 127.0.0.1/8
[08:58:09] <Bryanstein> and nothing worked
[08:58:21] <Bryanstein> well not nothing but no relay
[08:58:24] <sysmonk> Bryanstein: so make it damn 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.1.0/24
[08:58:40] <sysmonk> as you're in 192.168.1. network, right?
[08:59:20] <Bryanstein> no but that will work as an example...I did that sysmonk shall do it again
[08:59:33] <Bryanstein> I don't want to upset the postfix talent here
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[09:00:15] <sysmonk> um, if that network is a real ip, and not local, then that might be not a great idea
[09:00:24] <sysmonk> unless you really trust those hosts
[09:00:32] <sysmonk> if not, then add each host seperately
[09:00:39] <sysmonk> or use sasl
[09:00:40] <sysmonk> !sasl
[09:00:41] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[09:00:42] <sysmonk> ^^
[09:04:16] <madduck> i am having troubles with postfix as a SASL client...
[09:04:30] <madduck> the server does not offer AUTH until after STARTTLS
[09:04:35] <madduck> when it offers PLAIN and LOGIN only
[09:04:58] <madduck> but apparently that's not good enough for postfix:
[09:04:58] <madduck> http://rafb.net/p/AaZKsJ74.txt
[09:05:33] <madduck> i played with saslfinger
[09:05:36] <madduck> but it can't do tls
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[09:08:23] <madduck> here is the complete debug output: http://rafb.net/p/ZdZKmd50.txt
[09:11:57] <madduck> and here is the relevant config: http://rafb.net/p/w5pjRM98.txt
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[09:13:37] <madduck> doh! libsasl2-modules are not installed.
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[10:26:55] <jief_m> hi :) anyone here which can help me with very simple autoreply ? :)
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[10:39:03] <jief_m> still no one ? :) i just wanna know why a simple echo "something" | mail x at y dot com don't work as autoreply script... :-( ? :)
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[11:09:20] <jief_m> :(
[11:09:37] <jief_m> no one is maybe alive ? :)
[11:09:47] <madduck> that's not a postfix question
[11:09:50] <madduck> look at procmail
[11:09:56] <jief_m> i'm using virtual users
[11:10:05] <jief_m> so i can't use procmail mailbox command
[11:10:16] <madduck> look into using dovecot's lda and sieve then
[11:10:42] <sysmonk> ofcorse you could get around with a shell script
[11:10:44] <sysmonk> but never tried it
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[11:11:08] <jief_m> Sysmonk you are using a different method to get rid of autoreply ?
[11:11:22] <sysmonk> jief_m: i use 'the right way' :)
[11:11:25] <jief_m> madduck : i can't change my deliver method to dovecot
[11:11:29] <jief_m> which is ? :)
[11:11:33] <sysmonk> autoreply is not a MTA responsibility
[11:11:43] <sysmonk> i use cyrus, and sieve does everything for me
[11:12:12] <madduck> any ideas why my smtpd dies with "fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms"?
[11:12:14] <jief_m> and using a dedicated transport ?
[11:12:22] <madduck> I am using dovecot, the socket exists, it's all configured according to the docs
[11:12:29] <madduck> jief_m: yes
[11:12:54] <jief_m> so basicly dovecot become your transport to handle autoreply stuff ?
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[11:14:27] <jief_m> madduck : do you have that line in main.cf : smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes ?
[11:14:33] <madduck> jief_m: yes
[11:14:55] <madduck> http://rafb.net/p/Ad5M9117.txt
[11:15:29] <jief_m> can you try with : smtpd_sasl_local_domain =
[11:15:38] <madduck> why?
[11:15:55] <jief_m> just to check up if you the same error msg
[11:16:24] <madduck> yes
[11:16:27] <madduck> same error
[11:16:39] <madduck> this is after a postfix 2.3.8 -> 2.5.2 upgrade
[11:16:41] <madduck> it used to work before
[11:16:44] <madduck> no changes to the config
[11:17:27] <jief_m> maybe the socket listen of dovecot
[11:17:37] <madduck> it's there with proper permissions
[11:17:48] <jief_m> the path didn't change ?
[11:17:52] <madduck> nope
[11:18:17] <jief_m> did you compare old and new master.cf ?
[11:18:39] <madduck> only the retry service was added
[11:19:02] <jief_m> saslauthd
[11:19:07] <jief_m> saslauthd  service is running ?
[11:19:09] <madduck> i don't need saslauthd with dovecot
[11:19:38] <jief_m> looks funny :(
[11:21:58] <madduck> not even peer_debug_* give /anything/
[11:24:36] <jief_m> hmm
[11:25:10] <jief_m> socket version, way to communicate change from 2.3 to 2.5 ? nothing in the changelog ?
[11:28:41] <madduck> nothing that i found...
[11:36:20] <Extend> guys i have a question
[11:36:26] <Extend> i have postfix running
[11:36:32] <Extend> then i want to use postgrey
[11:36:40] <Extend> i installed it and run it fine now
[11:36:52] <Extend> is postgrey integrate itself into postfix
[11:36:58] <Extend> or do i need to integrate it ?
[11:37:03] <jief_m> i depends of the build
[11:37:30] <Extend> i installed postfix via apt-get under ubuntu 6.06
[11:37:41] <Extend> the same as i installed postgrey
[11:37:42] <Extend> so ?
[11:37:47] <Extend> or where do i check
[11:38:33] <Extend> ?
[11:39:47] <jief_m> can you type  : postconf -m
[11:39:59] <jief_m> and paste the result
[11:40:50] <Extend> btree
[11:40:50] <Extend> cidr
[11:40:50] <Extend> environ
[11:40:50] <Extend> hash
[11:40:50] <Extend> mysql
[11:40:51] <Extend> nis
[11:40:53] <Extend> pcre
[11:40:55] <Extend> proxy
[11:40:57] <Extend> regexp
[11:41:00] <Extend> sdbm
[11:41:03] <Extend> static
[11:41:05] <Extend> tcp
[11:41:07] <Extend> unix
[11:41:27] <Extend> so ?
[11:41:31] <jief_m> you should have : pgsql
[11:41:45] <jief_m> your version don't support postgrel
[11:41:58] <Extend> im running 2.2
[11:42:03] <Extend> postfix 2.2
[11:42:15] <SniZ> who use dovecot+postfix+ad?
[11:42:21] <jief_m> but without postgrey :)
[11:42:40] <Extend> so i can't use postgrey ?
[11:42:50] <SniZ> kill postgrey!
[11:42:53] <jief_m> :)
[11:43:10] <Extend> and what about rbl; ?
[11:43:20] <Extend> i tried to test it but it doesn't work
[11:43:22] <SniZ> rbl is good
[11:43:27] <SniZ> it work
[11:43:35] <Extend> hm
[11:43:42] <Extend> how can i test it :S
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[11:44:11] <SniZ> gimme your config
[11:45:32] <Extend> can i send u a file ?
[11:45:40] <SniZ> rafb.net
[11:46:57] <Extend> http://rafb.net/p/vjS1EQ13.html
[11:48:45] <SniZ> http://rafb.net/p/mCp2Rr49.html
[11:49:15] <SniZ> i think it helps this
[11:49:48] <Extend> reject_rbl_client list.dsbl.org,
[11:49:52] <Extend> define this
[11:49:57] <SniZ> why?
[11:50:00] <Extend> i have a zonefiles i want to use them how
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[11:50:07] <Extend> and how do u use list.dsbl.org
[11:50:14] <SniZ> only use
[11:50:19] <Extend> and tell me do u have a rbldnsd running?
[11:50:29] <SniZ> define it in config
[11:50:33] <SniZ> and forget all
[11:51:01] <Extend> what if i wanna block some hosts or networks what shall i do ?
[11:51:11] <SniZ> i donno
[11:51:32] <Extend> any help!
[11:51:43] <SniZ> do what i say
[11:52:05] <Extend> thank u alot
[11:52:12] <SniZ> ^)
[11:52:12] <Extend> and what do u use for grey listing?
[11:52:16] <SniZ> :)
[11:52:40] <SniZ> grey lising is shit
[11:52:44] <Extend> lol
[11:52:45] <Extend> why
[11:53:07] <SniZ> because you cannot get mails
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[12:19:39] <ullio> hello cite, thnks for that db dump. i've just understood how views work! now the skies the limit (dspam/postfix/virtual/mysql)!
[12:20:33] <cite> ullio: Glad to hear that.
[12:20:55] <cite> ullio: But please bear in mind that the way I created those views will not work well if you have mor than about 100 requests per second.
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[12:21:45] <cite> ullio: If you need to process this kind of volume, you will need to use stored procedures. But I can't help you with that in MySQL.
[12:24:40] <ullio> good point
[12:25:16] <cite> Do you have mails with more than 100 recipients per second entering your system?
[12:25:33] <ullio> no, i will make my backend to replicate the key infos from the virtual tables into one lookup table than#
[12:25:46] <ullio> its just easier for testing to work with a view
[12:26:08] <ullio> just wonder, how do i permit access to some user to this view?
[12:26:23] <ullio> or mut the definer be the executing user?
[12:26:39] <ullio> no, not more than a hundred per sec :)
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[12:38:38] <Haris> Hello people, folks, everyone, all, guys
[12:43:38] <ullio> cite: yes, a typo on my grant select clause made me think views are to be dealt differently with
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[12:48:10] <SniZ> who use dovecot+postfix+ad?
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[12:56:10] <vinnix> hi people i have a small domain here..
[12:56:32] <vinnix> myorigin should have $mydomain or $myhostname?
[12:56:56] <vinnix> aparently $mydomain doesn't work...
[12:58:46] <vinnix> <root at corp dot triarius.com.br>: mail for corp.triarius.com.br loops back to myself
[12:59:36] <vinnix> it's work fine, if i put the complete name (with hostname)
[12:59:49] <vinnix> but dont work with only the domain.
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[13:11:46] <vinnix> okay.. it's working now..
[13:12:00] <vinnix> i had a problem with mydestination parameter
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[14:25:32] <ullio[upstairs]> dspam asks me what to do with spam mails wich are supposed to be quarantined. it offers a command line to procmail. i dont use procmail. so i guess postfix virtual is my friend. any idea how to feed the spam back to postfix so the virtual da can do its stuff?
[14:27:41] <cite> ullio: Try specifying a path to your sendmail binary instead. Make sure "pickup" doesn't use a "-o content_filter".
[14:29:32] <ullio[upstairs]> but this is a purely virtual setup - am i wrong to say sendmail relies on real users to know where to drop its stuff? or wait - you mean resend it using postfix using a transport that brings it back into the postfix queue?
[14:30:59] <cite> You are wrong, indeed.
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[14:33:03] <ullio[upstairs]> so using sendmail to "send" the mail to be quarantined back using an address that by transport definition puts it into the right folder?
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[14:34:42] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: How are you delivering mails from dspam which are not spam? Are you using local delivery with SMTP/LMTP to a Postfix smtpd?
[14:35:02] <ullio[upstairs]> yes
[14:35:38] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: Then you don't need to set QuarantineAgent.
[14:35:38] <cite> dspam will happily deliver the mail to your 127.0.0.1:10025 or whatever bound smtpd.
[14:36:33] <ullio[upstairs]> but that would not work with the web interface
[14:36:54] <cite> Are you sure?
[14:36:58] <ullio[upstairs]> ... i need to find out where the web frontend looks for the respectives users mail
[14:37:14] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: The webfrontend is not concerned with such mundane tasks.
[14:37:42] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: You are, again, thinking to complicated.
[14:37:43] <ullio[upstairs]> well, it displays spam mails quarantined and allow them to be resent if fp.
[14:37:58] <cite> Yes.
[14:38:05] <cite> So what?
[14:38:28] <cite> How is delivery of a quarantined mail any different from passing a mail which was not considered spam?
[14:38:31] <ullio[upstairs]> in order to do so it mus be aware of where the mails are being held back.. or?
[14:38:55] <cite> IF run as a trusted user, with ability to call dspam_admin, it will figure this out on itself.
[14:39:52] <ullio[upstairs]> well, dspam has no insight to where the emails are stored on that box... or am i wrong again?
[14:40:19] <ullio[upstairs]> right now it just puts anything it gets beck to postfix
[14:40:26] <ullio[upstairs]> back...
[14:42:19] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: I don't remeber that I had to configure anything special for this to work.
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[14:42:45] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: Mail arrives, dspam thinks it's spam, it quarantines the message somewhere under /var/spool/dspam, if message gets released, it just reinjects that message to Postfix.
[14:43:07] <ullio[upstairs]> aah, spool/dspam
[14:43:29] <ullio[upstairs]> so one folder. but that means no spam delivery but containment, or?
[14:43:46] 
[14:44:10] <cite> I believe you will be very delighted to see that all of it just automagically works like you expected it.
[14:44:33] <ullio[upstairs]> for one stupid reason - i havent yet figured out how to train dspam plus the spammers are so freaking lazy today - as if they knew what im at...
[14:51:43] <cite> Send yourself a message with "viagra" and "cialis" in ti, train as spam, repeat until dspam identifies it as spam. Delete bayes data after testing.
[15:01:24] <ullio[upstairs]> i sthere a way to replace the to address before the virtual lookup in postfix is done? the virtual lookup stuff is done via mysql checks so no chance to detect a +parameter and rewrite the recipient...
[15:02:23] <cite> propagate_unmatched_xtensions will show you for which lookup maps an umatched "+foo" is kept even if nony user@domain and not user+foo@domain are found.
[15:03:50] <cite> But this is probably futile, I don't think the vortial(8) delivery agent can handle address extensions like +spam.
[15:03:58] <cite> s/vortial/virtual/
[15:04:31] <ullio[upstairs]> im thinking more of changing the recipient physically before the virtual lookups are made
[15:04:59] <cite> You mean like user+spam@domain to user-spam@domain?
[15:05:50] <ullio[upstairs]> changing all "my.name+dspam-add at mydomain dot cx" to "dspam-add@some-domain-mapped-to-the-dspam-add-transport"
[15:06:40] <cite> pcre lookup table, /^(.*)\+dspam-add at mydomain dot cx$/ dspam-add@some-domain
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[15:07:10] <ullio[upstairs]> yes, but where to put this in postfix? header_checks?
[15:07:14] <tabata> hi there, clamv is borken but nobody is present on the clamav channel, the problem is that Jun 15 14:59:23 ns22643 amavis[25921]: (25921-01) (!) ClamAV-clamd: Can't connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl: No such file or directory, retrying (2)
[15:07:30] <tabata> I have check into /var/run/clamav and there is no socket created
[15:07:36] <tabata> clamav is running
[15:08:29] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: virtual_alias_maps. Disable address rewriting on the accepting smtpd (receive_override_options=no_address_mappings in main.cf, -o receive_override_options= for the reinjecting smtpd)
[15:10:09] <cite> tabata: your clamd.conf contains LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
[15:10:11] <cite> ?
[15:12:25] <tabata> yes
[15:12:59] <cite> tabata: Is this, by chance, Debian etch without volatile packages?
[15:15:00] <tabata> it is debian etch, but what is volatile packages, backports you mean ?
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[15:15:36] <Jax> tabata you get your mysql user fixed?
[15:15:59] <cite> tabata: Follow the instructions given on http://www.debian.org/volatile/ to add Debian/volatile to your repositories, do an aptget update (or aptitude update) and finally an apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude dist-upgrade). Restart clamav-daemon, problem fixed.
[15:16:19] <tabata> Jax: yes thanks, I did, for some reason the password for debian-sys-admin was no more accepted
[15:16:32] <tabata> cite: but what is it ?
[15:16:47] <cite> tabata: The URL I gave you explains it all.
[15:18:19] <tabata> ok I will read it but is it related to a package to install that is not in the apt source list
[15:19:08] <cite> There is a known bug in clamd in Debian/etch. Packages in volatile are fixed.
[15:19:16] <tabata> cite: ok
[15:19:53] <ullio[upstairs]> cite: is there a way to reference query fragments in postfix/mysql config for eg. transport checks like additional_conditions=OR x=%d ?
[15:20:05] <ullio[upstairs]> say %d stands  for domain
[15:20:49] <cite> ullio[upstairs]: I have no idea.
[15:24:52] <tabata> cite: ok I have used the debian volatile to update clamav, but there are some changes to be done in the config file right ?
[15:25:26] <cite> I have no idea.
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[16:02:10] <jonathan|> hotmail doesn't seem to accept mail from me.. is there anything i must fulfill for it to do?
[16:03:25] <killerchicken_> jonathan|: what do your logs say?
[16:03:57] <jonathan|> i get bounces from hotmail, and they say "Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
[16:04:00] <jonathan|> "
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[16:10:17] <thumbs> good old hotmail
[16:11:17] <jonathan|> i read about SPF and noticed my mail server host didn't resolve both ways
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[16:18:32] <jsoftw> How can I deny mails with no From header?
[16:18:37] <jsoftw> Or an empty one?
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[16:53:18] <vice-versa> jsoftw: I would be surprised you're seeing messages with no From: header, cleanup(8) adds rfc required headers if they're missing
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[17:42:06] <piedoggie> I'm running into a problem with permissions and accessing the TLS certificate .  "warning: cannot get private key from file /etc/ssl/private".  Short story is upgraded server, lots of conflicts between user and group IDs between old and new server and I've got most of them straightened out but this is one permission problem that I can't quite figure out
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[17:51:14] <vice-versa> piedoggie: looks to me to be more of an issue with your certs then a permissions problem
[17:55:13] <piedoggie> certs were working befor the upgrade
[17:56:08] <vice-versa> as were other things you had to resolve ;)
[17:57:51] <piedoggie> :-)
[17:58:24] <piedoggie> well, other than the permissions screw up
[17:58:57] <piedoggie> I meant to say, other than the problems with password and group file collisions, everything else pretty much worked
[17:59:15] <piedoggie> it just took forever because this is the first time I ever worked with a system with 5 TB of
[17:59:19] <piedoggie> disc
[18:00:26] <piedoggie> that reminds me, I need to reinstall tiny CA
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[20:20:11] <eject_ck> Hi all, I need recommendation for mysql+postfix+web admin console setup.
[20:20:54] <tuxick> what's an admin console?
[20:20:57] <wedge> eject_ck: ispconfig is easy :)
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[20:22:09] <eject_ck> wedge, www.ispconfig.org ?
[20:28:22] <wedge> yes
[20:28:37] <wedge> opensource and very stable
[20:28:45] <wedge> but not the best user interface
[20:28:57] <wedge> but you can do manage mysql, postfix, web
[20:29:16] <wedge> the version 3 uses virtual users, version 2.0 branch uses unix users
[20:31:55] <vice-versa> bah, postfix+mysql+nano+mysql(client) ;)
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[20:45:58] <jonez> ispconfig is fine if you let it control *everything*
[20:48:54] <vice-versa> and therein lies the problem imo
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[20:51:28] <thumbs> ispconfig is a bloody mess
[20:53:04] <vice-versa> thumbs++
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[21:03:50] <mohshami> hey guys, I'm using postfix along with amavisd-new, the thing I hate about this setup is the fact each message appears with 2 IDs, one when it is first received, and another when it passes back from amavisd, is there a way to unify the ID?
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[21:09:12] <vice-versa> not to my knowledge, queue IDs, while not 100% unique, are not reused
[21:10:44] <vice-versa> but the real question is, what's your beef with the queue IDs?
[21:12:04] <mohshami> well sometimes my boss needs to extract message history
[21:12:19] <mohshami> thought there might be a way to do it with a single grep :)
[21:14:03] <mohshami> to your knowledge, would using rbls along with openbsd spamd add any value?
[21:15:06] <vice-versa> well I'm a firm believer in pre-data spam control, not so much with filtering
[21:15:16] <vice-versa> !cheatsheet
[21:15:16] <knoba> vice-versa: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[21:15:43] <mohshami> *checking* thanks
[21:16:59] <vice-versa> and in case it isn't obvious. DNSBLs fall into the context of pre-data spam control  ;)
[21:17:52] <mohshami> :)
[21:18:03] <mohshami> well the setup I'm updating uses sqlgrey without any rbls
[21:18:25] <mohshami> I converting the fedora server to freebsd and using spamd for greylisting, then adding rbls
[21:18:31] <mohshami> good choice?
[21:21:59] <vice-versa> I'm not a big fan of greylisting to be honest
[21:22:25] <mohshami> it has reduced our spam levels dramatically
[21:22:45] <mohshami> I like the way spamd kills spammer resources
[21:23:05] <vice-versa> no doubt, but no two spam problems are the same, so you have to use whatever works best for you
[21:23:38] <mohshami> true
[21:24:09] <mohshami> is the list of rbls in the link you sent me up to date?
[21:24:15] <mohshami> I can't find a good updated list
[21:24:21] <mohshami> been googling
[21:25:22] <vice-versa> how many smtp connections a day do you have?
[21:25:30] <vice-versa> approx.
[21:25:39] <mohshami> not many
[21:25:42] <mohshami> less than 10K
[21:25:51] <mohshami> if I'm not mistaken, maybe more
[21:26:54] <vice-versa> well zen.spamhaus.org is pretty good, but it's not free for heavy users
[21:27:21] <vice-versa> uceprotect.net
[21:27:24] <vice-versa> psbl.surriel.com
[21:27:33] <mohshami> where do I get a list like this?
[21:27:54] <vice-versa> by shopping around ;
[21:28:01] <mohshami> :)
[21:28:19] <vice-versa> http://www.robtex.com/rbl/
[21:28:27] <vice-versa> run an ip through that
[21:28:45] <vice-versa> see something you're interested in, check them out
[21:29:06] <vice-versa> it's not very hard to run your own either
[21:29:27] <mohshami> do you have a link for a howto or something?
[21:30:20] <mohshami> should I be using the rbls that are in green? or is there some other preference
[21:32:46] <vice-versa> run this IP through it, 89.134.36.43 and take note of the ones in red
[21:33:30] <mohshami> should I be using those?
[21:33:48] <vice-versa> up to you
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[21:34:24] <mohshami> uceprotect seems like good option
[21:34:25] <mohshami> from their site
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[21:34:40] <vice-versa> cbl.abuseat.org is redundant if you use sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org, xbl.spamhaus.org or zen.spamhaus.org
[21:34:44] <vice-versa> !zen
[21:34:44] <knoba> vice-versa: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[21:35:13] <mohshami> the last time I checked sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org was a good options also
[21:35:28] <vice-versa> I wouldn't advise going higher than dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net
[21:35:36] <vice-versa> i.e., 2 & 3
[21:36:34] <vice-versa> http://www.dnsbl.com/ might be of some use in DNSBL shopping
[21:36:47] <mohshami> cool, thanks for the help mate
[21:36:56] <vice-versa> np
[21:37:34] <mohshami> your configuration is also very good
[21:37:38] <mohshami> great job
[21:38:31] <vice-versa> and fwiw, you can test out DNSBLs with warn_if_reject
[21:38:37] <vice-versa> !warn_if_reject
[21:38:38] <knoba> vice-versa: "warn_if_reject" : a parameter that means: Change the meaning of the next restriction, so that it logs a warning instead of rejecting a request (look for logfile records that contain "reject_warning"). This is useful for testing new restrictions in a "live" environment without risking unnecessary loss of mail.
[21:39:21] <mohshami> good tip
[21:39:31] <mohshami> the good thing is that I'm building the new system from scratch
[21:39:39] <mohshami> I'm not very fond of fedora
[21:39:53] <vice-versa> then use something else
[21:40:09] <mohshami> exactly what I'm doing
[21:40:21] <mohshami> gives me time to debug before going live
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[21:41:43] <vice-versa> and as for running your own DNSBL, see http://www.corpit.ru/mjt/rbldnsd.html
[21:42:13] <vice-versa> but that should perhaps be a project after you have your server up and running
[21:42:41] <mohshami> so far I have postfix and amavisd without anything else
[21:42:51] <mohshami> will be adding razor, pyzor and dcc
[21:43:09] <vice-versa> well don't get to carried away
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[21:43:23] <vice-versa> get you basic server up and running first
[21:43:38] <vice-versa> try to stay away from tutorials
[21:43:45] <vice-versa> !tutorial
[21:43:45] <knoba> vice-versa: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[21:43:59] <vice-versa> !fish
[21:43:59] <knoba> vice-versa: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for a life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !smtpd!=smtp
[21:44:21] <mohshami> I concur
[21:44:37] <mohshami> well I wrote my own postfix dovecot tutorial a couple of weeks back
[21:44:45] <mohshami> with an active directory backend
[21:44:51] <vice-versa> nice
[21:45:21] <vice-versa> are you pushing or pulling the AD data to the MTA?
[21:45:33] <mohshami> ldap
[21:45:42] <mohshami> http://blog.al-shami.net/index.php/freebsd-postfix-dovecot-and-active-directory/
[21:47:15] <mohshami> well I've done the setup a couple of years back, but I left that job and since then I had to administer a *cough*qmail*cough* server
[21:47:34] <vice-versa> hehe
[21:47:48] <vice-versa> backscatter city
[21:47:59] <mohshami> I concur
[21:48:19] <tuxick> there was a fix for that
[21:48:20] <mohshami> now I'm just looking for a refreshment on rbls
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[21:48:30] <mohshami> a 3rd party patch
[21:48:38] <vice-versa> not to mention the never ending cycle of patching to get it to do something useful
[21:48:40] <tuxick> well sure, that was the problem with qmail
[21:48:49] <tuxick> it's public domain now
[21:49:04] <tuxick> so someone will repackage, i guess
[21:49:10] <mohshami> well, at the end it's a matter of preference, and my #1 preference is postfix
[21:49:37] <tuxick> i'd done postfix/dovecot/openldap last week
[21:49:57] <tuxick> dovecot gave me some trouble, turned out a problem with freebsd 7
[21:50:05] <mohshami> what happened?
[21:50:06] <tuxick> which no longer allows messing with environ
[21:50:51] <tuxick> deliver tried to clear environment by pointing it at NULL
[21:51:33] <mohshami> well I configured dovecot with freebsd 7
[21:51:44] <mohshami> check out the link if you're interested
[21:52:19] <tuxick> you used 1.0x?
[21:52:37] <mohshami> 1.0.10
[21:52:50] <mohshami> but if I'm not mistaken it worked with the latest in ports
[21:52:56] <tuxick> ah, i went for 1.1rc
[21:53:02] <mohshami> can't remember which version that was to be honest
[21:53:15] <mohshami> I always prefer not to go with rc
[21:53:37] <tuxick> the dovecot-sieve would happily install against 1.1 and then crash
[21:53:57] <tuxick> that port needs some fixing
[21:54:18] <mohshami> I got obsessed with this configuration in my previous job
[21:54:33] <mohshami> they wouldn't let me throw away that qmail server in the trash, they still have it
[21:54:51] <mohshami> it's a via something 750MHz with a 40 GB hard drive
[21:56:01] <tuxick> dovecot 1.1 is about to be released btw
[21:56:21] <mohshami> I would only use it when I see a -stable on it :p
[21:56:41] <tuxick> well ye, i've seen it crash in 2 ways already
[21:56:55] <tuxick> but that's fixed now
[21:57:23] <mohshami> it's a great piece of software
[21:57:45] <mohshami> I was about to configure it for an ISP but they wouldn't pay for my services
[22:01:42] <mohshami> anyways guys, need to hit the sack
[22:01:45] <mohshami> thanks a lot for your help
[22:01:53] <mohshami> have a great day
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[23:05:24] <denis_> I'm doing an installation postfix/ldap. From the console, i can send anywhere (addresses local and external). From the webmail, i can not send to addresses for local adresses (present in ldap): "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table"
[23:05:35] <denis_> Any ideas?
[23:08:28] <noneo> denis_: #postfix
[23:08:37] <noneo> denis_: SORRY!
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[23:08:44] <noneo> denis_: :D
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[23:10:04] <denis_> noneo, no prob ;-)
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[23:10:36] <tuxick> prolly messed up domain name in webmail config or something
[23:11:09] <denis_> ok, i will see there
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[23:23:23] <defho> I have been using this article (http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/) to guide me in setting up my mailserver but have a question about how I would get virtual mailboxes working. when i try to send mail from outside my network to the virtual user it gets bounced with an unknown user error
[23:24:03] <defho> it is possible to have email users that do not have a system account.. correct?
[23:25:47] <defho> aliases are working.. i can have mail sent to a non-existant user and get it forwarded to my own inbox.. but it gets bounced w/o an alias
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