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[01:45:27] <basic`> howdy
[01:46:15] <`k>  postfix is awesome.
[01:49:00] <sysmonk> it is ;P
[01:50:30] * vice-versa hands sysmonk a rootbeer
[01:50:59] <rob0> rootbeer is awesome
[01:51:05] <vice-versa> indeed
[01:51:10] <vice-versa> !rootbeer
[01:51:10] <knoba> vice-versa: "rootbeer" : any popular domestic ale or lager consumed while logged into the super user account
[01:51:27] <rob0> especially when someone else paid for it
[01:52:39] <basic`> anyone familiar with this error: chdir /home/vmail/wilcox-co.com/dane.wilcox/.maildir: Not a directory
[01:53:11] <basic`> the .maildir was created with maildirmake
[01:56:06] <rob0> What was created, how?
[01:56:14] <rob0> the error is very clear
[01:59:06] <basic`> following http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml -- so it was created with these commands:
[01:59:28] <basic`> # mkdir -p /home/vmail/virt-domain.com/foo
[01:59:28] <basic`> # chown -R vmail:vmail /home/vmail/virt-domain.com
[01:59:30] <basic`> # maildirmake /home/vmail/virt-domain.com/foo/.maildir
[02:01:32] <basic`> sending mail works, the directory just wont behave
[02:03:16] <rob0> I am pretty confident that basic Unix tools such as ls(1) would tell you that /home/vmail/wilcox-co.com/dane.wilcox/.maildir is not a directory.
[02:03:38] <basic`> you're right, i found that right after i posted that
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[02:06:19] <basic`> okay, rob0 any insight into this one?
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[02:06:27] <basic`> i just remade the maildir, and it appears to be working
[02:06:35] <basic`> but now when i try and recieve mail i get this: (delivery failed to mailbox ///home/vmail/wilcox-co.com/dane.wilcox/.maildir: cannot open file: Is a directory
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[02:07:44] <rob0> well, looks like you missed a minor detail about delivery to maildir, because it is trying to deliver to mbox.
[02:09:38] <rob0> !maildir
[02:09:38] <knoba> rob0: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
[02:10:54] <basic`> oh snap, i wonder if the / is missing somewhere
[02:10:56] * basic` checks
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[02:20:14] <basic`> ha, so the one account i was testing with was missing the /
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[02:24:06] <basic`> !imap
[02:24:08] <knoba> basic`: "imap" : is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a local client to access e-mail on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP)
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[02:46:45] <basic`> !maildir
[02:46:45] <knoba> basic`: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
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[03:02:13] <Samonoske_> can I change postfix port number from 25 to 587?
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[03:41:31] <basic`> Samonoske_: i think that's in the master.cf
[03:42:52] <dragonheart> it is - aka sumbission
[03:44:58] <basic`> woot, ssl/tls work now :)
[03:45:03] * basic` is a happy man
[03:46:17] <Samonoske_> dragonheart i'm not sure what's wrong with postfix atm..I can't get it to send any mail.. localhost nor external.
[03:46:25] <Samonoske_> basic`
[03:47:10] <dragonheart> basic`: make sure you set smtp_tls* and smtpd_tls*
[03:47:24] <basic`> oh? in master.cf?
[03:47:38] <dragonheart> Samonoske_: error messages normally help
[03:47:45] <dragonheart> basic`: no - just main.cf
[03:49:07] <basic`> ya, those are set
[03:49:52] <basic`> with certificates and everything
[03:49:57] <basic`> it all works
[03:50:50] <dragonheart> yay
[03:51:39] <basic`> silly, i was up til 9am working on this, went to bed, woke up, found the problem and had it working almost instantly
[03:51:41] <basic`> sleep++
[03:52:37] <dragonheart> sleep well with tls encrypted dreams
[03:54:10] <Samonoske_> dragonheart this is the error in the log Jun  1 05:34:52 Server1 postfix/smtp[5166]: warning: no MX host for thecondenser.com has a valid address record
[03:55:47] <basic`> do you have a fqdn?
[03:56:01] <dragonheart> thecondenser.com.       120     IN      MX      0 mail.renovotia.com.
[03:56:12] <dragonheart> however mail.renovotia.com. doesn't resolve
[03:56:12] <basic`> dragonheart: got a good spam filter guide for postfix/gentoo?
[03:57:25] <dragonheart> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mailfilter-guide.xml perhaps
[03:57:27] <Samonoske_> dragonheart in my dns setup should i add it as an a record?
[03:58:03] <dragonheart> basic`: if you do use it please give some feedback - this kina doco gets stale quickly
[03:58:08] <dragonheart> Samonoske_: is it your domain?
[03:58:41] <Samonoske_> yes dragonheart
[03:59:01] <basic`> dragonheart: thanks, im looking at http://gentoo-wiki.com/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server/Installing_Amavisd_and_SpamAssassin right now -- but i'll try the official docs first
[03:59:05] <dragonheart> and mail.renovotia.com is where you've setup a mail server
[03:59:33] <Samonoske_> yes..when i setup postfix i put mail.renovotia.com
[03:59:35] <dragonheart> basic`: steal and understand the ideas from both
[04:00:05] <dragonheart> Samonoske_: mail.renovotia.com doesn't resolve to an IP address. it kinda needs to to receive mail
[04:01:07] <Samonoske_> okay i added to cname so in a few it should do something
[04:01:38] <basic`> :)
[04:02:25] <dragonheart> Samonoske_: there is a RFC that says no cnames in MX records. i don't recommend it.
[04:03:06] <Samonoske_> okay i'll make an A record..
[04:03:20] <dragonheart> much more standards
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[04:03:29] <dragonheart> standard*
[04:04:54] <Samonoske_> okay now A record now must wait till things change in like 2 min
[04:06:44] <Samonoske_> okay dragonheart it's up now
[04:08:37] <Samonoske_> connect to mail.renovotia.com[68.74.1.14]: Connection timed out (port 25)
[04:08:39] <Samonoske_> new error
[04:09:05] <Samonoske_> both domains are hosted on this server... thecondenser.com and renovotia.com
[04:09:56] <basic`> hmm, This server is meant to run in front of the mail servers actually keeping the mail accounts -- i dont need an exchange server do i?
[04:11:00] <basic`> the accounts are stored in a mysql db
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[04:13:05] <dragonheart> basic`: no - but you'll needs a imap/pop3 service like dovecot  / courier installed
[04:14:52] <basic`> ah okay, using courier-imap :)
[04:22:28] <rob0> Ewww, "need" MSexChange? What a bizarre thought!
[04:24:18] <rob0> Sam hasn't given a real problem description.
[04:26:11] <basic`> rob0: i know, but it suggested it in the gentoo guide
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[04:27:03] <Samonoske_> rob0 talking about me?
[04:27:03] <basic`> !alias
[04:27:05] <knoba> basic`: Error: "alias" is not a valid command.
[04:27:10] <basic`> Samonoske_: no me
[04:27:14] <Samonoske_> kk
[04:27:57] <basic`> "This server is meant to run in front of the mail servers actually keeping the mail accounts"
[04:33:20] <rob0> A Gentoo guide suggests MSexChange?
[04:34:02] <rob0> Yes Sam, you haven't given a real problem description yet.
[04:35:40] <rob0> Why are you trying to connect to mail.renovotia.com if you ARE mail.renovotia.com ?
[04:40:36] <basic`> it doesnt suggest it, it just says ' i.e. Microsoft Exchange or Lotus Notes.'
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[04:41:12] <basic`> i would've assumed that courier-imap would have a mention
[04:42:13] <rob0> Hmmm, even that sounds inappropriate to me. Those two monstrosities are absolute crap. If mail is important to your organization, stick to free software.
[04:43:53] <rob0> !relayhost
[04:43:53] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[04:44:14] <rob0> Samonoske_: ^^ my best guess about your issue without really knowing what it is.
[04:44:21] <rob0> <== afk
[04:45:15] <rob0> (Um I should clarify, I think maybe your ISP blocks outbound port 25.)
[04:45:17] <rob0> bye
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[05:03:57] <Samonoske_> rob0 it does
[05:04:05] <Samonoske_> but shouldn't localhost mail work?
[05:04:47] <Samonoske_> rob0 also i was reading something on port 587 being a smtp submission port... Is it possibility that I can use it?
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[05:52:21] <boss> hi, anhyone know if you can get postfix to do a "pull" email ?  its over a firewall where only the internal can initiate the connect.  thanks.
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[05:59:06] <dragonheart> boss: pull from where - a specific server? - get the firewall fixed is my recommendation
[05:59:45] <boss> specific server, yes, but can't do anything with the server unfortunately, it isn't able to allow incoming connections at all
[05:59:51] <boss> firewall i mean
[06:00:10] <`k>  contact your domain administrator to allow connections through the firewall
[06:00:58] <`k>  or if what you want to do is pull the email down there is a fetch plugin on squirrelmail that will allow the server to pull email from another server at each login
[06:01:29] <`k>  that is a per account setting though useful when you are migrating mail systems 100% uptime
[06:03:16] <boss> basically what i want is an ETRN that delivers on the same connection
[06:09:20] <boss> fetchmail multidrop ?
[06:10:07] <dragonheart> deliver over a portforwarded ssh connection that is scripted to be persistant
[06:10:35] <dragonheart> there's a reason ETRN never really took off
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[06:11:14] <`k>  I really just don't see a reason for this boss
[06:11:54] <dragonheart> me neither - please rethink what your doing
[06:12:52] <basic`> !transport_maps
[06:12:52] <`k>  running a mail server secretly behind company firewall...  who knows
[06:12:52] <knoba> basic`: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[06:14:17] <boss> sure, but the transport_maps implies initiating a connection to the destination, which i can do
[06:14:25] <basic`> that was for me, not you :p
[06:14:36] <boss> ah ;)
[06:15:53] <basic`> dragonheart: so i have a q about the transport_maps, the mysql virtual hosting guide has me create a transport table w/ domain and destintion -- this is the transport map correct?
[06:18:54] <dragonheart> basic`: i haven' t played with virtual hosting before so i'll go with the i don't know option. gut feel its transports are something different from virtual maps but i'm not sure
[06:20:13] <basic`> ah, hmm
[06:20:44] <basic`> how does transport_maps tie in with amavis?
[06:22:38] <dragonheart> amavis is a transport because it accepts smtp/lmtp connections
[06:22:49] <basic`> ahh
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[07:17:35] <basic`> err, does the ebuild not create an amavis user?
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[07:59:54] <joshhunt> Hello eveyone
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[08:18:09] <dragonheart> basic`: looking at the ebuild it does mail-filter/amavisd-new
[08:18:14] <dragonheart> joshhunt: hi
[08:19:22] <joshhunt> Im trying to set up postfix to send mail when i use mail(). It should also be noted that i am using google apps for my mail, so i full-scale set-up isnt required
[08:19:27] <joshhunt> Hmm... ive had a look at my postfix logs, but i cant pick up anything...
[08:19:27] <joshhunt> Can someone please take a look and tell me what is going wrong?
[08:19:29] <joshhunt> http://massiveatom.com/files/mail.info
[08:21:43] <dragonheart> authenticate to the google mail server if thats what your using for all your outgoing email
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[08:49:53] <joshhunt> dragonheart: Why would i want to do that? I want to send it directly from my server
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[09:02:41] <basic`> dragonheart: looks like it created it when i re-emerged it
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[09:39:30] <basic`> mail for domain.tld loops back to myself -- i got this after setting up amavisd, i'll pastebin my configs if they'll help
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[10:28:47] <basic`> !biff
[10:28:47] <knoba> basic`: "biff" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Whether or not to use the local biff service. This service sends "new mail" notifications to users who have requested new mail notification with the UNIX command "biff y".
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[11:05:51] <Haris> Hello people
[11:05:57] <Haris> Trengo: Well, spam is still seeping through
[11:08:31] <war9407> take more anti-spam measurements! :)
[11:08:56] <Haris> that's exactly what I asked for
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[11:12:17] <war9407> read jim seymours anti-uce faq
[11:12:19] <war9407> to start
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[11:26:12] <Zend_> Hi, where can I get a list of what all of the proper email headers are so my emails dont get filtered by junk mail filters?
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[14:35:27] <cite> EWCHAN, sorry.
[14:50:10] <dragonheart> np
[14:55:38] <checkers> can anyone suggest how I can send outgoing mail on different IPs based on the sender's domain?
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[15:43:11] <dragonheart> checkers: (guess) transport maps perhaps. need to setup transports on different ips in master.cf though. need to sleep so i'm hoping this is on the right track
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[16:54:39] <Alocado> hello
[16:55:35] <Alocado> what could be the reason for this error (i'm working with postfix-mysql): warning: connect to mysql server localhost:3306: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[16:55:52] <Alocado> mysql is running, username and password are correct
[16:58:43] <checkers> what happens if you try and connect to the database through that ocket?
[17:02:31] <Alocado> it works.. ;)
[17:02:36] <Alocado> i've found the problem...
[17:02:44] <Alocado> postfix is working in chrooted environment
[17:03:06] <Alocado> you have to force ip-connections with 'hosts = 127.0.0.1'
[17:03:11] <Alocado> instead of hosts = localhost
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[17:09:57] <mwalling> aren't chroots grand?
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[20:01:16] <JoaoCarneiro> ahoy
[20:02:24] <JoaoCarneiro> i want to make postfix relay through a smarthost but with authentication, is that possible? anyone?
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[20:04:42] <mwalling> heh
[20:08:21] <devdas> that was quick
[20:09:37] <adaptr> commendable!
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[20:10:26] <JoaoCarneiro> ups
[20:10:28] <JoaoCarneiro> back
[20:10:33] <JoaoCarneiro> anyone replyed?
[20:10:41] <JoaoCarneiro> my laptop whent down on me
[20:10:43] <devdas> yes
[20:10:43] <JoaoCarneiro> hehe
[20:10:51] <devdas> The answer is yes
[20:10:53] <adaptr> ewww nasty
[20:10:53] <JoaoCarneiro> cool
[20:11:01] <devdas> See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
[20:11:05] <adaptr> now I need to worry about skanky laptops ?
[20:11:10] <JoaoCarneiro> :)
[20:11:38] <JoaoCarneiro> devdas, :)
[20:11:40] <JoaoCarneiro> thsnks
[20:12:12] <JoaoCarneiro> i think i might have a bad ddr memory
[20:12:14] <JoaoCarneiro> but
[20:12:17] <JoaoCarneiro> ...
[20:12:22] <JoaoCarneiro> must memtest86
[20:12:29] <JoaoCarneiro> takes hours...
[20:12:36] <devdas> adaptr: only if they run Windows
[20:12:54] <adaptr> what, are you telling me that free-thinking hippy laptops will never go down on me ?
[20:13:10] <devdas> No
[20:13:12] <adaptr> this sort of thing makes me remember why I am a capitalist
[20:13:19] <devdas> they are known for their uptimes ;)
[20:13:21] <adaptr> Vista here I come
[20:13:23] <JoaoCarneiro>    # relayhost = [mail.myisp.net]:submission
[20:13:32] <JoaoCarneiro> what the submission stands for?
[20:13:39] <adaptr> your solution
[20:13:43] <devdas> adaptr, do you really want it to go down on you?
[20:13:53] <devdas> JoaoCarneiro: grep submission /etc/services
[20:14:11] <adaptr> devdas: no, but, comp0licated mens as we are in this here day and age, I would be sorely disappointed if she WOULDN'T :)
[20:14:23] <adaptr> not that she SHOULD
[20:14:39] <adaptr> but she should at least not be unwilling :)
[20:14:58] <devdas> adaptr: it's vista, it will go down on you
[20:16:00] <adaptr> yes, I think I will upgrade now, thank you
[20:16:51] <JoaoCarneiro> i should put the brackets on [relayhost] so that it bypasses mx lookups, right?
[20:16:58] <devdas> yes
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[20:19:36] <wdp> i want to reject all incoming mails, not coming from a specific ip
[20:19:40] <wdp> how would i do that?
[20:22:11] <devdas> Allow stuff from a given IP, reject everything else?
[20:22:23] <devdas> Is stuff from that IP subject to further filteration?
[20:23:18] <wdp> stuff from that ip is filtered.
[20:23:24] <wdp> everything else should be rejected.
[20:23:51] <wdp> we have two mailservers. the second isn't MX but it's recieving mails. as the second isn't filtered spam comes through.
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[20:24:14] <wdp> as the second isn't MX it should be safe to reject such things not coming from the first mailserver.
[20:25:16] <devdas> check_client_access, reject?
[20:25:29] <devdas> or just firewall port 25 off?
[20:26:42] <JoaoCarneiro> devdas, iptables seems a good idea
[20:27:14] <wdp> i'm not sure over what port clients are sending mails.
[20:27:19] <wdp> the sending mailserver is the second one.
[20:27:32] <wdp> if the clients are using port 25 for sending mails, using iptables would block that, too.
[20:27:45] <devdas> wdp: ah
[20:27:50] <wdp> in that case iptables would be bad. while check_client_access is a good idea.
[20:27:52] <wdp> ty.
[20:27:54] <devdas> that is why you need submission running
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[20:29:18] <seekwill> vpn :)
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[20:34:25] <JoaoCarneiro> devdas, if i follow that doc i get tls, right?
[20:35:09] <JoaoCarneiro> i needed to get plain text, plain auth, smarthost
[20:35:16] <JoaoCarneiro> any idea?
[20:37:00] <devdas> JoaoCarneiro: SASL != TLS
[20:37:12] * devdas linked you correctly
[20:38:39] <JoaoCarneiro> :)
[20:38:44] <JoaoCarneiro> i'm a bit noob on this
[20:40:15] <JoaoCarneiro> devdas, how do i garantee that for that specific client i have no TLS/SSL
[20:42:06] <devdas> JoaoCarneiro: if you don't enable TLS, you don't get TLS
[20:42:27] <JoaoCarneiro> hehe, but i wanted it for client access
[20:42:34] <JoaoCarneiro> but not for relay
[20:42:52] <JoaoCarneiro> as it's required by my ISP
[20:44:03] <mwalling> TLS is negotiated after connection
[20:46:18] <JoaoCarneiro> mwalling, yes, but auth goes after
[20:46:21] <JoaoCarneiro> imho
[20:47:26] <mwalling> if your relayhost advertises STARTTLS, and you support TLS, then a TLS connection will be negotiated
[20:47:59] <JoaoCarneiro> how can i force it to stick to plain smtp?
[20:52:06] <adaptr> by.. not enabling TLS as a security method on SMTP ?
[20:53:53] <JoaoCarneiro> adaptr, but if i did so, then my thunderbird would receive email in plain text
[20:54:02] <JoaoCarneiro> and that was the deal...
[20:54:10] <adaptr> is this yet another victim of the "smtp is not smtpd" erhm.. problem ?
[20:54:32] <adaptr> JoaoCarneiro: let's get one thing perfectly straight up front: thunderbird does not, EVAH EVAH, receive mail
[20:54:43] <seekwill> heh
[20:54:45] <adaptr> it may *collect* it
[20:54:45] <JoaoCarneiro> ok, it collects it via imap
[20:54:56] <adaptr> fine, and ?
[20:54:59] <adaptr> imap != smtp
[20:55:06] <seekwill> It's not???
[20:55:08] <seekwill> Since when?
[20:55:16] <adaptr> sssh... late 2007 addendum
[20:55:16] <JoaoCarneiro> ok, you're right i mixed it
[20:55:27] <JoaoCarneiro> if i send an email
[20:55:27] <adaptr> you were out smoking teh pot, remembe... oh never mind
[20:55:29] <JoaoCarneiro> via smtp
[20:55:37] <adaptr> yes, and.. no
[20:55:47] <adaptr> you do not send an email with *postfix's* smtp
[20:55:49] <adaptr> you cannot
[20:56:06] <JoaoCarneiro> i'm starting to like your speech :)
[20:56:08] <adaptr> your mail client connetcs to postfix's smtp*d*
[20:56:22] <JoaoCarneiro> ok, and negociates TLS
[20:56:30] <JoaoCarneiro> if i disabled it globaly
[20:56:32] <adaptr> which is not related to smtp in any way (well, except for speaking the same protocol)
[20:57:01] <adaptr> you can't
[20:57:18] <adaptr> smtp and smtpd are ALWAYS treated separately in postfix
[20:57:32] <adaptr> mail come in, mail go out
[20:57:51] <adaptr> paint me green and call me yoda
[20:58:12] <JoaoCarneiro> so what component does handle outgoing smtp email?
[20:58:14] * devdas spraypaints adaptr black
[20:58:20] <adaptr> the smtp service
[20:58:28] <adaptr> of which you can have any number
[20:58:36] <devdas> smtp(8), lmtp(8), local(8), virtual(8), relay(8)
[20:58:41] <adaptr> with one being the most common
[20:58:54] <adaptr> devdas: he did say *outgoing* *smtp* mail
[20:59:15] <adaptr> anyhoo
[20:59:34] * JoaoCarneiro grabs a couple of green spay paint cans
[20:59:49] <adaptr> well, if you're going to spay me...
[20:59:54] <JoaoCarneiro> hehehe
[21:00:06] <adaptr> NEUTER NUETER SPAM COMPUTER
[21:00:24] * adaptr wonders when, exactly, one would use spay paint
[21:00:37] <adaptr> and whether one would want to know
[21:06:35] <JoaoCarneiro> well, guy's i think i'm going out to dinner, appreciate your hints ;)
[21:06:38] <JoaoCarneiro> thanks
[21:06:44] <JoaoCarneiro> be back later
[21:06:47] <JoaoCarneiro> :)
[21:06:52] <adaptr> and we're not coming to dinner ?
[21:07:03] <JoaoCarneiro> lol
[21:07:05] <adaptr> this IRC job sucks balls
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[21:07:37] <JoaoCarneiro> adaptr, you's payed to answer in here?
[21:11:00] <devdas> JoaoCarneiro: it was a joke
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[21:11:40] <adaptr> JoaoCarneiro: I always expect ot get rewarded - don't you ?
[21:11:45] <adaptr> else, why get out of bed
[21:14:24] <JoaoCarneiro> lol
[21:18:51] <JoaoCarneiro> hum
[21:18:58] <JoaoCarneiro> new question:
[21:19:32] <JoaoCarneiro> how to permit relay from mail submitted from a specific dns hostname?
[21:19:48] <JoaoCarneiro> instead than from a trusted network
[21:21:20] <adaptr> !relay_domains
[21:21:20] <knoba> adaptr: "relay_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter.
[21:21:25] <adaptr> erm, sorry, no
[21:21:27] <adaptr> damn
[21:21:51] <JoaoCarneiro> i have a relay domains, but i believe that's for incoming mail, not for outgoing
[21:22:00] <adaptr> !sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[21:22:02] <knoba> adaptr: "sender_dependent_relayhost_maps" : A configuration directive in main.cf for sender based message routing. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html# sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[21:22:10] <adaptr> that's the right one
[21:22:22] <JoaoCarneiro> adaptr, :)
[21:24:15] <JoaoCarneiro> this docs are dificult to understand, is there any info on the sintax?
[21:24:31] <JoaoCarneiro> i see it is a map
[21:24:40] <JoaoCarneiro> just like relay_domains
[21:24:40] <devdas> all maps are alike
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[21:24:54] <JoaoCarneiro> so i place address@domain OK
[21:24:56] <devdas> key value, value, values
[21:25:04] <JoaoCarneiro> oh
[21:25:08] <devdas> relay_domains is a list
[21:25:32] <JoaoCarneiro> but what values? *@domain would be nice
[21:25:49] <devdas> see what Postfix uses to query the map
[21:25:56] <devdas> the return value is the relayhost
[21:26:42] <adaptr> JoaoCarneiro: wildcarding is fully supported, yes
[21:27:03] <JoaoCarneiro> so something like: *@domain [ip address]
[21:27:10] <JoaoCarneiro> would do it?
[21:27:21] <adaptr> I hope you are aware that faking a sender address is trivial,, which is exactly WHY you normally relay based on networks or authentication
[21:27:42] <JoaoCarneiro> yes, i understand that
[21:27:50] <adaptr> caveat emptor et al
[21:28:22] <JoaoCarneiro> however, this is only for a couple of day's until i get this auth issue sorted
[21:28:36] <JoaoCarneiro> or my fixed ip address
[21:29:18] <JoaoCarneiro> so i think it is a reasonable compromise
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[21:29:34] <adaptr> it's a compromise alright ;)
[21:29:37] <JoaoCarneiro> lol
[21:30:35] <JoaoCarneiro> brb
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[21:34:06] <Ramattack> Hi!!!
[21:34:19] <Ramattack> I'm running a testing mailserver
[21:34:21] <adaptr> oh look, it's our good freind Ramattack
[21:34:25] <adaptr> yes, we know
[21:34:31] <adaptr> for some time now
[21:34:39] <Ramattack> :) lol
[21:34:41] <sysmonk> like 4 months *cough*
[21:34:54] <Ramattack> cough... let's see what it means
[21:35:14] <Ramattack> :p
[21:35:37] <adaptr> it means.. expectorate, heave, wallop... any more ?
[21:37:08] <Ramattack> how do you mates :) mainly how goes that ISP sysmonk :)
[21:37:20] <sysmonk> which ISP?
[21:37:28] <adaptr> don't you remember ?
[21:37:30] <Ramattack> I envy you by you're job
[21:37:34] <sysmonk> did i miss something?
[21:37:36] <sysmonk> :)
[21:37:39] <Ramattack> remember what
[21:37:44] <adaptr> stay off teh pot!
[21:37:46] <Ramattack> didn't you work on an ISP?
[21:37:53] <sysmonk> Ramattack: i'm working IN a ISP
[21:38:11] <Ramattack> that's it
[21:38:16] <adaptr> I would think you're either working  FOR one, or AT one
[21:38:22] <sysmonk> by saying 'on a ISP' i'd think you're talking about me creating a new ISP
[21:38:22] <adaptr> never heard of IN
[21:38:24] <Ramattack> :) how are you're adventures there :)
[21:38:24] <wladek_> what's the easiest way to implement a quota for a users /var/mail spool file?
[21:38:29] <sysmonk> adaptr: right :P
[21:38:39] <sysmonk> wladek_: system quotas
[21:38:43] <adaptr> wladek_: with.. a quota on /var/mail ?
[21:38:55] <sysmonk> Ramattack: as always.
[21:39:05] <sysmonk> i'm more bussy with my studies right now ;/
[21:39:07] <adaptr> but seriously, mbox is not of this century - use maildir
[21:39:13] <wladek_> i've never actually used system quotas before
[21:39:15] <Ramattack> wladek_, did you mean you use mailbox format?
[21:39:19] <Ramattack> sysmonk, too much work?
[21:39:39] <sysmonk> Ramattack: too much work in college...
[21:39:51] <sysmonk> wladek_: simple, very simple
[21:39:56] <Ramattack> I'm finishing now my postfix project... are you studing too?
[21:40:06] <adaptr> you WHUT
[21:40:17] <sysmonk> Ramattack: yes, i'm studying
[21:40:19] <wladek_> ok.. i'll look into that
[21:40:39] <Ramattack> :) nice then studing and working on an ISP too :)
[21:40:48] <adaptr> sigh
[21:41:03] <sysmonk> *cough* at an ISP *cough*
[21:41:18] <adaptr> not *for* ?
[21:41:18] <Ramattack> but are u scholar on the ISP or working working
[21:41:34] <sysmonk> sorry don't get you :)
[21:42:00] <adaptr> Ramattack: stop it with all the questions - he's not going to brownnose you in
[21:42:43] <sysmonk> oh, btw, anyone works at/for ISP ?
[21:42:43] <Ramattack> brownnose?
[21:42:51] <sysmonk> i'm curious about security policies you've got
[21:43:04] <Ramattack> you say for me?
[21:43:04] <sysmonk> want to improve our companies security policies
[21:43:24] <Ramattack> me not :)
[21:43:46] <Ramattack> shit, what do you use normally for enforcing quotas in postfix sysmonk ?
[21:44:07] 
[21:44:15] <sysmonk> postfix is a MTA, it's not postfix job to do quotas.
[21:44:38] <Ramattack> but any ISP should enforce quotas...
[21:44:46] <Ramattack> for they're users...
[21:45:05] <Ramattack> naaa I'm having some troubles just now
[21:45:07] <sysmonk> are you talking about mailbox quotas?
[21:45:07] <adaptr> Ramattack: I'll repeat it: mailboxes are NOT the MTAs responsibility
[21:45:18] <sysmonk> if so, then read what adaptr just repeated :)
[21:45:25] <Ramattack> ;p
[21:45:42] <adaptr> or else man local(8), or man deliver(8)
[21:46:06] <Ramattack> there aren't too many ways of doing this... if you use virtual users and you don't use something at mta like maildrop you have nothing to do
[21:46:12] <sysmonk> *cough* no such thing as deliver(8)
[21:46:16] <sysmonk> local or virtual you meant adaptr :)
[21:46:21] <adaptr> even though postfix comes with an MDA, it is not, strictly speaking, part of the MTA
[21:46:41] <Ramattack> I now...
[21:46:48] <sysmonk> Ramattack: as adaptr just said, postfix is ant MTA, not a MDA, and it's not postfix's job to do quotas.
[21:46:59] * adaptr could have sworn it was one of postfix's processes
[21:47:14] <Ramattack> it was just curiosity how did you enforced them...
[21:47:22] <adaptr> Ramattack: if you want more control over that, install maildrop and use lmtp
[21:47:32] <adaptr> or use dovecat like a sane person
[21:47:37] <adaptr> miaaow
[21:47:42] <sysmonk> sane people use cyrus, not dovecot
[21:47:45] <sysmonk> ;PP
[21:47:50] <adaptr> FLAMEWAR
[21:47:52] <Ramattack> why not maildrop?
[21:47:55] <adaptr> now yo dunnit
[21:47:57] * sysmonk brings some oil
[21:48:02] <sysmonk> where's the flame?
[21:48:02] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:48:04] <devdas> sane people use mutt and local(8)
[21:48:13] <devdas> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7430048.stm
[21:48:13] <adaptr> PINE YER BASTARD
[21:48:17] <devdas> @ sysmonk
[21:48:28] <devdas> adaptr: mail(1)
[21:48:41] <sysmonk> oh no, just not that
[21:48:46] <adaptr> greybeard
[21:48:46] <sysmonk> cat(1) ftw !
[21:48:51] <adaptr> dog!
[21:49:05] <adaptr> I use dog and most, and y'all can all barf off
[21:49:17] <sysmonk> and then echo(1) + uuencode(1) + sendmail(1)
[21:49:19] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:49:27] <sysmonk> adaptr: liar!
[21:49:30] <sysmonk> 06-01 22:47:38 < adaptr> miaaow
[21:49:33] <sysmonk> that doesn't sound like a dog
[21:49:35] <adaptr> sendmail ? I WROTE MY OWN SMTP CLIENT IN HASKELL< HMMKAY
[21:50:01] <adaptr> and ran it through a perl obfuscator
[21:50:16] <sysmonk> perl IS the obfuscator
[21:50:18] <sysmonk> ;P
[21:50:29] <adaptr> yes, imagine obfuscated perl
[21:50:57] <sysmonk> boogie
[21:50:57] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:51:05] <adaptr>  /disco!
[21:51:24] <adaptr> come one, let's all do that!
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[21:51:56] * sysmonk puts back the oil
[21:51:58] <sysmonk> no more fire
[21:52:57] * devdas does  not like IMAP
[21:53:13] <devdas> OTOH, I use pop3 because my desktop is more reliable than my server
[21:53:18] <sysmonk> lol
[21:53:34] <sysmonk> you could always do local caching with imap
[21:53:34] <sysmonk> ;P
[21:57:34] <devdas> nah, just an issue of reliability
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[22:44:01] <seekwill> How is your desktop more reliable than your server?
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[22:45:42] <JoaoCarneiro> seekwill, bad hardware...
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[22:47:02] <adaptr> you misunderstand the question
[22:47:21] <adaptr> if your server-hardware is less dependable than your desktop, it is not, strictly speaking, a server
[22:47:57] <adaptr> the main definition of a server is "doesn't die as easily as your average Windblows piece of plastic"
[22:48:14] <adaptr> I would quickly swap them around :)
[22:48:16] * seekwill runs mission critical servers on Winblows
[22:48:38] <adaptr> oh, so do we, but I am referring to the $300 desktop type, obviously
[22:48:54] <adaptr> we run Windblows... on $25K server crap
[22:48:56] * seekwill runs mission critical servers on $300 Winblows machines
[22:49:09] * adaptr seeks out will-i-am for a righteous spanking
[22:49:43] <adaptr> unless mission critical means quakeworld :)
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[22:52:35] * seekwill runs mission critical services on a $300 Winblows machine with a dual T3 link
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[22:54:51] <adaptr> ah, you spent all your money on Cisco gear :)
[22:56:13] <JoaoCarneiro> adaptr, could be, lol
[22:56:20] <JoaoCarneiro> at the prices they have!
[22:57:01] <adaptr> zactly
[22:57:12] <adaptr> worth it, nevertheless
[22:57:36] * seekwill uses dlink
[22:57:55] * seekwill uses no-name realtek
[22:58:34] <adaptr> are you an entrepeneur, by any chance ?
[22:59:22] <seekwill> No, I'm your employee, remember? This is what you told me to do
[22:59:38] <JoaoCarneiro> if he is it is likely that he will go down with his servers
[22:59:43] <JoaoCarneiro> when it happens
[23:00:12] <adaptr> seekwill: aaah, I remember now... and.. what was that bankaccount I gave you again ? never mind, I'll PM you the new one...
[23:00:25] <seekwill> kthx
[23:00:35] <adaptr> bankaccount *number*, darnit!
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[23:05:27] <JoaoCarneiro> adaptr, i'm going nuts with this auth issue
[23:05:38] <JoaoCarneiro> just can't seem to figure it out
[23:05:47] <adaptr> look, it's easy
[23:06:20] <adaptr> you map specific relay senders to specific relay transports, and add client auth to those
[23:06:32] <adaptr> !relay_transport_maps
[23:06:32] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "relay_transport_maps" is not a valid command.
[23:06:36] <adaptr> aargh!
[23:06:43] <adaptr> something like that, anyway
[23:07:43] <JoaoCarneiro> may i pvt?
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[23:09:32] <JoaoCarneiro> guess not
[23:09:52] <JoaoCarneiro> http://info.mail.sapo.pt/autenticado/thunderbird.html#topo
[23:10:00] <JoaoCarneiro> this is what the ISP demmands
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[23:10:39] <seekwill> You'll be fine
[23:10:55] <seekwill> If your postfix has TLS support or not, it won't matter
[23:11:25] <JoaoCarneiro> but i keep getting my mail bounced
[23:11:41] <JoaoCarneiro> my outbound
[23:11:44] <JoaoCarneiro> email
[23:11:58] <adaptr> yes, if they require your authentication, that probably means they really mean it
[23:12:08] <seekwill> What does the bounce message say?
[23:12:13] <JoaoCarneiro> http://info.mail.sapo.pt/autenticado/thunderbird.html#topo
[23:12:15] <JoaoCarneiro> ups
[23:12:15] <adaptr> so set up a relay transport to them, and map it as appropriate
[23:12:18] <JoaoCarneiro> status=bounced (host smtp.sapo.pt[212.55.154.44] said: 553-Relaying denied 553
[23:14:10] <adaptr> and what did you try to send ?
[23:14:50] <JoaoCarneiro> a simple plain email
[23:15:01] <JoaoCarneiro> from thunderbird via smtp
[23:15:11] <JoaoCarneiro> that was relayed to the isp
[23:15:17] <JoaoCarneiro> postfix/smtpd[7630]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
[23:15:21] <JoaoCarneiro> i also have this
[23:15:32] <seekwill> adaptr: Good luck with this one!
[23:15:38] <adaptr> yers.. never seen that one before! ;)
[23:15:45] <adaptr> what a strange error message
[23:15:56] <seekwill> It is pretty cryptic
[23:16:23] <JoaoCarneiro> i saw an error on debian bugtracking
[23:16:28] <JoaoCarneiro> just a moment ago
[23:16:45] <JoaoCarneiro> where they stated that a wrong dir was mentioned somewhere
[23:17:09] <JoaoCarneiro> but it was on another version of postfix
[23:17:31] <JoaoCarneiro> postfix is on the sasl group
[23:17:38] <JoaoCarneiro> and therefore has access
[23:17:40] <JoaoCarneiro> unless
[23:17:48] <JoaoCarneiro> there is some kind of chroot
[23:17:54] <JoaoCarneiro> on postfix or sasl
[23:17:59] <JoaoCarneiro> any hints?
[23:18:54] <JoaoCarneiro> i folowed this: http://adomas.org/2006/08/postfix-dovecot/
[23:18:59] <JoaoCarneiro> to setup and test
[23:19:08] <JoaoCarneiro> and it validated the user
[23:19:24] <JoaoCarneiro> so sasl should be ok
[23:21:28] <JoaoCarneiro> :\
[23:21:40] <JoaoCarneiro> just tested again and it validates the user
[23:22:36] <JoaoCarneiro> and also
[23:23:02] <JoaoCarneiro> * it does not complains about /etc/sasldb2
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[23:37:05] <JoaoCarneiro> hum
[23:37:22] <JoaoCarneiro> adaptr, just tested one thing, it might be the username i have
[23:37:58] <JoaoCarneiro> any idea on what do do with '@' on the username?
[23:38:01] <JoaoCarneiro> in these maps
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[23:47:14] <action09> hi all
[23:48:22] <action09> lines between parameters in smtpd_recipient_restrictions don't accept comments with # :(
[23:48:54] <action09> i wanted to add comments to detail these parameters but it wasn't a good idea :D
[23:49:08] <action09> really strict
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[23:53:39] <rob0> I think it does work with [[:blank:]]# comment
[23:55:56] <rob0> yes it does
[23:56:44] <rob0> [[:blank:]]+# comment to be precise
[23:56:58] <jonez> greetings.. I'm attempting to get sasl_auth working between two machines, "hermes" and "eros"
[23:57:21] <jonez> my issue is when eros acts as smtpd and hermes as smtp
[23:57:29] <Mez> JoaoCarneiro, I have to regularly sudo chown postfix:postfix /var/run/saslauthd
[23:57:39] <jonez> I can telnet from hermes to eros and get an "authentication successful" message.





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