May 31, 2008 
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May 31, 2008 [00:04:06] *** quieteyes has joined #postfix[00:08:06] *** xpoint has quit IRC[00:16:55] *** j_s has quit IRC[00:22:41] *** dMaggot has joined #postfix[00:23:20] <dMaggot> hello, is is true that I can throw all my pending mails from sendmail to the incoming folder of postfix in order to migrate the mail queue??:[00:26:01] <dMaggot> after trying a sendmail flush of course[00:34:57] *** stickystyle has joined #postfix[00:41:08] <dMaggot> sorry, I checked the folder structure again and I think it should be dropped in the maildrop folder, right??[00:48:11] *** githogori has quit IRC[00:52:59] *** pitakill has quit IRC[00:53:11] <dMaggot> is there anyone here??[00:53:23] *** pitakill_ has joined #postfix[00:53:30] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[00:54:55] <dMaggot> hello??[00:55:13] *** pitakill_ has quit IRC[00:55:39] <dMaggot> any ideas on at least how to test it??[00:56:29] <dMaggot> any ideas at all??[00:56:36] <Trengo> dMaggot why dont you force the sendmail queue?[00:56:43] <sysmonk> never tried it, but you can try :)[00:57:05] <dMaggot> there's a lot of chance that most of the e-mails won't be sent on the first try[00:57:17] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[00:57:19] <dMaggot> and we can't wait for them to flush out before switching to postfix[00:58:21] <Trengo> why is there such chance?[00:58:38] <Trengo> is sendmail installed along with postfix?[00:58:40] <dMaggot> we are talking about 60k emails[00:58:48] <dMaggot> not currently[00:58:57] <Trengo> why the heck do you have all that lying around?[00:59:10] <Trengo> anyway[00:59:20] <dMaggot> that's the amount of e-mail you have to manage for networking sites[00:59:41] <Trengo> what is the problem? if thats your usual queue?[01:00:14] <Trengo> or it isnt?[01:00:23] <Trengo> sendmail cant handle that much mail?[01:00:28] <dMaggot> well, we are getting some new servers and I'm really interested in using postfix on them, so I need to migrate the old queues from the old servers to the new servers[01:00:31] *** vlsddss has joined #postfix[01:00:41] <Trengo> nah[01:00:46] <Trengo> flush the old queue[01:00:55] <Trengo> why bother?[01:01:50] <dMaggot> we are most likely going to have a lot of e-mails not sent because of: 1. too many outbound connections, 2. temporary dns resolution failure, 3. Foreign MTA rejection, 4. etc[01:02:19] <vlsddss> I have postfix running on my machine and would like to use the program sendEmail to send a file to gmail.com from localhost. This has worked fine in the past for me. However, I just moved (got a new ISP) and now it doesn't send the file. My machine is still confiured the same way. Is it the new ISP that is doing something funny?[01:02:50] <dMaggot> most IPSs do e-mail port filtering/blocking[01:03:06] <vlsddss> I see. Is there a way around that?[01:03:08] <dMaggot> maybe you want to find out if your new ISP is doing so before blaming your (not changed) configuration[01:03:45] <Trengo> that doesnt make any sense. what really happened?[01:03:58] <Trengo> was the server down for days?[01:04:03] <Trengo> no connectivity?[01:04:16] <vlsddss> I feel like I have the right to send emails from localhost off, but can I convince the ISP of that?[01:04:19] <Trengo> smart_host down?[01:04:42] <dMaggot> vlsddss: it depends on your ISP[01:04:44] <dMaggot> Trengo: not really[01:04:56] <dMaggot> Trengo: our site deals with user input on e-mails[01:05:00] <vlsddss> hm, do you have any suggestions for what I might ask/say?[01:05:20] <dMaggot> they may have a typo, the may have personal crappy servers, they may have a lot of stuff[01:05:30] <dMaggot> plus[01:05:42] <Trengo> no i dont understand, if you have connectivity and DNS, why bother with moving mail queues? flush it in place[01:05:42] <dMaggot> bulkl e-mail can be blocked (Yahoo usually does that)[01:06:15] <Trengo> oh its spam?[01:06:18] * Trengo confused[01:06:49] <sysmonk> dMaggot: i'd offer you to run sendmail in 'send only mode' which doesn't listen on any tcp socket ( if that's possible )[01:06:57] <sysmonk> and run postfix in parallel[01:07:15] <sysmonk> and, when sendmail does his job after some time ( could take up to a week, right? ) - turn off sendmail[01:08:00] <dMaggot> sysmonk: that sounds good, I'll browse around for that, thanks[01:08:19] <Trengo> i've managed to flush 10000 emails a day in conditions much like yours[01:08:22] <sysmonk> dMaggot: another thing - which you've already mentioned - moving the files to postfix queue[01:08:27] <Trengo> on a really old server[01:08:38] <sysmonk> but i'm not sure that possible, i don't know sendmails injected mail form[01:08:46] <sysmonk> but, you could always test it :)[01:08:54] <Trengo> stop sendmail and run it as sendmail -q[01:08:56] <sysmonk> (not alll the queue, but i.e. 10 emails)[01:09:01] <dMaggot> sysmonk: I'm only worried about formats, I don't know if sendmail mangles those files different than postfix[01:09:12] <dMaggot> Trengo: thanks for that info, I'll try that[01:09:18] <Trengo> what i did was[01:09:26] <sysmonk> dMaggot: don't know that too, don't use sendmail at all[01:09:31] <Trengo> move the queue to a separate dir[01:09:42] <Trengo> restart the service so mail works[01:09:53] <Trengo> get a list of all ids from the oldqueue[01:10:10] <Trengo> flush it in batches of 10000[01:10:36] <Trengo> i had 130000 emails :s[01:10:49] <Trengo> most are junk[01:11:26] <Trengo> it also helps if you flush local deliveries first[01:11:37] <Trengo> sendmail -qRmylocaldomain[01:11:55] <Trengo> sendmail -qRmylocaldomain -OQueueDir=/path/to/oldqueue[01:12:31] <dMaggot> that's a good advice, but I don't think a big percentage of them are local, anyway I'll have that in mind[01:12:59] *** JoseFR2 has joined #postfix[01:13:14] <Trengo> also, between flushes, run qtool.pl -d -e'$msg{sender}=~/MAILER/;' /path/to/oldqueue to get rid of undeliverable undeliverables[01:13:38] *** vlsddss has quit IRC[01:14:32] <dMaggot> that's one I didn't know about[01:15:01] <Trengo> qtool? comes with sendmail in the contrib dir[01:16:07] <dMaggot> oh, I see[01:18:28] *** stickystyle has left #postfix[01:24:00] *** vLdSS has joined #postfix[01:25:23] <vLdSS> hm, having a hard time figuring this out. Trying to send from localhost to gmail.com using the program sendEmail. Got postfix running. the output is that the email was sent succesfully, but the email never arrives to gmail.[01:26:04] *** pitakill has quit IRC[01:28:10] <dMaggot> vLdSS: wanna post the line where it says successful delivery??[01:29:32] *** josefr3 has joined #postfix[01:31:32] *** JoseFR has quit IRC[01:34:32] *** JoseFR2 has quit IRC[01:35:32] *** suuuper has quit IRC[01:39:39] <Trengo> vLdSS look at logs?[01:54:39] *** vldsss has joined #postfix[01:55:05] *** war9407 has quit IRC[01:55:10] <vldsss> .[02:01:38] <magyar> hi, where do i specify allow clients for my "smarthost" server?[02:03:12] <shasta> !mynetworks[02:03:14] <knoba> shasta: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.[02:06:22] *** vLdSS has quit IRC[02:12:17] <growltiger_> !transport maps[02:12:17] <knoba> growltiger_: Error: "transport" is not a valid command.[02:12:24] <growltiger_> !transport_maps[02:12:24] <knoba> growltiger_: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.[02:12:46] <growltiger_> !relayhost[02:12:48] <knoba> growltiger_: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.[02:13:23] *** quieteyes has left #postfix[02:14:41] *** Haris_ has joined #postfix[02:16:13] *** Haris1 has quit IRC[02:25:44] *** dMaggot has left #postfix[02:27:27] *** c00l2sv has quit IRC[02:29:16] *** amrit|wfh is now known as amrit|bbl[02:30:10] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[02:36:06] *** havvg has quit IRC[03:02:03] *** Samonoske has quit IRC[03:10:52] *** Tachy_ has joined #postfix[03:25:04] *** Tachy has quit IRC[03:29:04] *** nphase has joined #postfix[03:36:38] *** vldsss has left #postfix[03:44:13] <growltiger_> !knoba[03:44:13] <knoba> growltiger_: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)[03:48:37] *** impl has joined #postfix[03:49:14] *** impl has left #postfix[03:50:56] *** mib_j2ncer has joined #postfix[03:51:21] <mib_j2ncer> hi.. am having severe bottlenecking w/ my install of Postfix.. can anyone help?[03:53:33] *** mib_j2ncer is now known as MitchMichaels[03:53:52] <MitchMichaels> wow. 166 folks here and no one talking[03:54:27] *** githogori has joined #postfix[04:10:14] <technoid_> we are busy emailing each other[04:10:32] <Trengo> im off to bed[04:10:37] <Trengo> its 3am[04:10:46] <Trengo> been fighting iscsi[04:25:28] *** oxtail has joined #postfix[04:29:23] *** pirho has quit IRC[04:33:51] *** wladek_ has joined #postfix[04:41:17] <wladek_> hi.. i've recently setup postfix on my freebsd 6.2 system. i seem to be able to receive mail and i can send mail when i manually telnet into my postfix host on port 25, but when i try to send a test email using mutt i get sendmail errors: http://www.pastebin.org/39906[04:41:44] <wladek_> i'm assuming this is the postfix version of sendmail as i've disabled the _real_ sendmail on my system[04:42:38] <wladek_> it seems to be trying to resolve my local hostname (which resolves to a lan ip) and then using localhost as a last resort..[04:50:47] <rob0> wrong, that's Sendmail's sendmail. Logs would say "postfix/sendmail" if it was Postfix. Try disabling it again![04:52:37] <wladek_> oh[04:52:44] <wladek_> hrm[05:01:36] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC[05:18:26] <wladek_> there we go, thanks rob0[05:34:03] *** hark has quit IRC[05:36:58] *** Zend_ has joined #postfix[05:37:38] <Zend_> can anybody help my diagnose whats wrong with postfix? I have it running but I dont think its listening for incomming connections, I can't telnet to it on port 110[05:50:06] <dragonheart> Zend_: postfix doesn't do pop which is what is normally associated with port 110[05:50:39] <dragonheart> use netstat to see what ports are listening and what programs are associated with them[05:51:46] <rob0> !imap[05:51:46] <knoba> rob0: "imap" : is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a local client to access e-mail on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP)[05:51:51] <rob0> !pop3[05:51:51] <knoba> rob0: Error: "pop3" is not a valid command.[05:52:17] <dragonheart> !pop[05:52:17] <knoba> dragonheart: Error: "pop" is not a valid command.[05:52:26] <rob0> Common and well-supported choices for POP3 and IMAP are Courier and Dovecot.[05:53:18] <Zend_> err im an idiot, postfix is an MTA not a pop3 server[05:53:35] <Zend_> i dont really need a MTA, i just need incomming mail[05:54:00] <Zend_> do you need postfix to be working if you want to install somehting like qpopper?[05:55:03] <rob0> If you're just retrieving mail from an ISP or email provider, you can feed a local imapd with getmail(1) or fetchmail(1).[05:55:30] *** Gokee2 has quit IRC[05:57:25] *** nphase has quit IRC[06:43:09] *** bigredradio has joined #postfix[06:44:36] <bigredradio> I am trying to send out mail using mailx and have it go to my smtp server so the "from" is a valid email address. (gets blocked with user@localhost).[06:44:59] <bigredradio> I tried .mailrc but no luck.[06:52:23] *** Zend_ has quit IRC[06:56:38] <dragonheart> bigredradio: sounds llike is more of a mailx question than a postfix one[06:57:09] <bigredradio> dragonheart: Possibly. No mailx irc channel :-)[07:01:39] *** joelsolanki has joined #postfix[07:01:44] <joelsolanki> Hi all.[07:02:10] <joelsolanki> i have configured postfix to stop unknown local users mails at smtp level[07:02:32] <joelsolanki> i have enabled local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps in main.cf and it works good.[07:03:02] <joelsolanki> but i want to have a file in which i will enter email account and it should only accept mails for those account only.[07:03:04] <joelsolanki> how do i do that ?[07:04:01] <rob0> Red, obviously the place to start is "man mailx". Heirloom mailx (find it at freshmeat, is provided by some Linuxen) can speak SMTP. Old BSD mailx cannot.[07:04:09] <joelsolanki> idea behind is that. i have a plesk server which has qmail by default. i will create a new postfix server which will accept mails for 3 domains and then forward the recieved mail to qmail[07:04:22] <joelsolanki> so i can get rid of backscattering bounces[07:04:54] *** bigredradio has left #postfix[07:05:27] <rob0> Damn, give these people good information, they /quit without a word.[07:06:21] <rob0> Joel, generally you would use relay_domains and relay_recipient_maps for the ones where you're the MX but not final destination.[07:06:37] <rob0> !address_classes[07:06:37] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.[07:06:57] <rob0> !relay_domains[07:06:57] <knoba> rob0: "relay_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter.[07:07:11] <dragonheart> rob0: want to add courtesy appreciated in the topic (assuming people read that at least sometimes)[07:07:31] <mjoseph> i think if they have to be told[07:07:36] <mjoseph> you've already lost[07:07:39] <rob0> That's in life's /topic :)[07:08:27] <joelsolanki> hmm.[07:09:02] <joelsolanki> relay_domains will consist my 3 domains which are on plesk ?[07:12:13] <rob0> is how I would do it, yes. There are lots of other possibilities (Postfix is perhaps too flexible in that regard), but that is the domain class with the intended purpose you want.[07:12:43] <joelsolanki> ok let me try t config it[07:13:37] <rob0> ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html#relay_domain_class[07:14:51] <joelsolanki> hmm[07:19:43] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[07:37:05] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[08:28:59] *** stony__ has joined #postfix[08:40:32] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[08:42:11] *** FJITA has joined #postfix[08:42:34] <joelsolanki> rob0: u still there ?[08:45:20] * Motoko-chan gasps[08:45:24] <Motoko-chan> I just figured it out![08:45:33] <Motoko-chan> rob0 = robo = robot !!!![08:46:21] *** stony_ has quit IRC[08:46:57] <joelsolanki> :)[08:47:10] <wladek_> :o[08:47:17] <dragonheart> how rude[08:47:48] <Motoko-chan> Hm?[08:48:17] <wladek_> yes, rob0 will most likely be scarred for life with that remark[08:48:50] <Motoko-chan> Like he wasn't before?[08:48:52] <Motoko-chan> !rob0[08:48:52] <knoba> Motoko-chan: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)[08:49:01] * Motoko-chan rests case[08:51:31] <joelsolanki> i have kept relay_domains = myoffice.com in main.cf and transport i kept myoffice.com smtp:202.202.202.202[08:52:03] <joelsolanki> this just forward all mails coming in on postfix for myoffice.com to smtp server on 202.202.202.202[08:52:45] <Motoko-chan> Yes, that is what transport is for.[08:52:59] <joelsolanki> 1 sec[08:53:40] <joelsolanki> now i m doing this for getting rid of backscattering.[08:54:03] <joelsolanki> above config will not do any valid user checking.[08:54:08] <Motoko-chan> Correct.[08:54:15] <Motoko-chan> You need to set up user maps and use them[08:54:45] <joelsolanki> now i think i need to use local_recipient_maps is that right ?[08:55:16] <joelsolanki> Motoko-chan: no?[08:56:29] <joelsolanki> if yes then i will have to put all email address which are on myoffice.com domain in /etc/postfix/localusers file ?[08:56:53] <Motoko-chan> relay_recipient_maps[08:56:59] <Motoko-chan> If that box isn't the destination[08:57:26] <joelsolanki> yes this box isnt destination. destination mail server is 202.202.202.202[08:57:40] <joelsolanki> what should i keep in relay_recipient_maps ?[08:58:10] <Motoko-chan> Look at the heading of the file for format[08:58:42] <Motoko-chan> It's just[08:58:47] <Motoko-chan> email OK[08:58:52] <Motoko-chan> One per line[08:58:57] <joelsolanki> in a text file correct ?[08:59:03] <Motoko-chan> Or[08:59:07] <Motoko-chan> @domain OK[08:59:18] <Motoko-chan> To allow any user to be valid at the domain[08:59:22] <Motoko-chan> (For catch-all)[08:59:31] <Motoko-chan> Yes, text and use postmap to hash it[09:00:19] <joelsolanki> does this seems OK in main.cf ? local_recipient_maps = /etc/postfix/localusers[09:00:57] <Motoko-chan> Only if you have local users on that server.[09:01:39] <joelsolanki> and in localusers file i have kept joel at myoffice dot com where the user is on remote server 202.202.202.202[09:01:53] <joelsolanki> i dont have joel users on that postfix linux box[09:02:07] <Motoko-chan> Use remote users[09:04:00] <joelsolanki> you mean i should create file /etc/postfix/remoteusers and put joel at myoffice dot com OK right ?[09:04:16] <Motoko-chan> Yes[09:04:31] <Motoko-chan> If the user isn't on your local box, don't use local_recipient_maps[09:04:49] <joelsolanki> oh then what should i use?[09:05:48] <joelsolanki> the original users are on 202.202.202.202[09:05:53] <joelsolanki> it is a different serve[09:06:16] <joelsolanki> and i am setting up postfix on different machine which should take care for backscattering.[09:06:53] <joelsolanki> if users are not on postfix then i should not use local_recipient_maps ? then which parameter should i use for rejcting ?[09:07:01] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[09:09:33] *** j_s has joined #postfix[09:10:13] *** wladek_ has quit IRC[09:23:08] <joelsolanki> Motoko-chan: u there ?[09:23:35] <joelsolanki> well i tried keeping local_recipient_maps = /etc/postfix/remoteuser[09:23:43] <joelsolanki> postmap /etc/postfix/remoteusers[09:24:04] <joelsolanki> and tried to send the mail from yahoo. but no mail yet.[09:24:20] *** af_ has joined #postfix[09:24:24] <joelsolanki> MX for myoffice.com is pointed on postfix box.[09:25:20] <joelsolanki> no hints ?[09:28:22] <joelsolanki> any help plz.[09:30:12] <joelsolanki> Motoko-chan: sorry i just noticed you told me to use relay_recipients_map[09:30:14] <joelsolanki> let me test[09:46:53] *** nphase has joined #postfix[09:56:32] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[10:02:49] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[10:03:55] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[10:04:00] *** stony__ is now known as stony[10:10:27] *** af_ has quit IRC[10:11:08] *** madrescher has quit IRC[10:14:14] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[10:17:12] *** c00l2sv has joined #postfix[10:17:40] *** joelsolanki has quit IRC[10:21:27] *** madrescher has quit IRC[10:28:11] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[10:30:09] *** madrescher has quit IRC[10:37:46] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[10:45:50] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[11:07:34] *** Haris_ has quit IRC[11:08:15] *** Haris_ has joined #postfix[11:08:20] *** Haris_ is now known as Haris1[11:10:09] *** madrescher has quit IRC[11:16:50] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[11:17:33] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[11:23:43] *** m_p has joined #postfix[11:30:29] *** pythonic has joined #postfix[11:31:01] *** sophokles has quit IRC[11:31:12] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[11:31:34] <pythonic> hi! in a pgsql query for virtual_mailbox_maps are there any other substitutions besides %s?[11:33:17] <pythonic> i'd like to have '/var/mail/%d/%n', like dovecot[11:33:37] <pythonic> i.e. for domain/user[11:38:30] *** CyberCr33p has joined #postfix[11:39:21] <CyberCr33p> how can I check how many e-mails are sent per second?[11:40:07] *** nox has quit IRC[11:41:50] <sysmonk> pythonic: man pgsql_table[11:42:02] <sysmonk> CyberCr33p: try to count it yourself :P[11:42:17] <sysmonk> i'd do tail -f /var/log/maillog | grep status=sent | uniq -c[11:42:19] <pythonic> sysmonk: thanks! :-)[11:42:52] <sysmonk> CyberCr33p: woops[11:43:06] <CyberCr33p> and wc -l ?[11:44:18] <sysmonk> no[11:44:34] <sysmonk> tail -f /var/log/maillog | grep status=sent | awk '{print $3}' | uniq -c[11:45:30] <sysmonk> i.e.[11:45:48] <sysmonk> http://p.data.lt/326[11:46:19] <sysmonk> so you see that on 12:44:47 there were 3 mails sent[11:46:26] <sysmonk> 12:45:01 - 1 mail[11:46:30] <sysmonk> err, 2 mails that is[11:46:37] <CyberCr33p> ok[11:46:43] <sysmonk> if you want a average, you'd have to script some more[11:46:59] <sysmonk> or, you could use something like pflogsumm to get daily statistics[11:46:59] <sysmonk> !pflogsumm[11:47:01] <knoba> sysmonk: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html[11:49:56] <CyberCr33p> ok 17 e-mails per sec[12:09:26] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[12:11:51] *** nox has joined #postfix[12:14:15] *** pythonic has left #postfix[12:17:40] *** slashtom has joined #postfix[12:19:28] <jduggan> sustained 17 per sec?[12:20:12] *** oxtail has quit IRC[12:30:13] *** hever has joined #postfix[12:32:27] *** pirho has joined #postfix[12:46:27] <slashtom> is it possible to use procmail against virtual mailboxes... eg. "Subject: SPAM" gets filtered to a "spam" folder in the virtual user's mailbox?[13:15:15] *** JoseFR has joined #postfix[13:20:49] *** oxtail has joined #postfix[13:29:58] *** robboplus_ has quit IRC[13:30:46] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[13:32:46] *** josefr3 has quit IRC[13:41:01] *** CyberCr33p has quit IRC[13:41:08] *** CyberCr33p has joined #postfix[13:45:28] *** wdp has joined #postfix[13:45:36] <wdp> hello.[13:47:16] <wdp> if i have for example mx.example.com and mx.anotherexample.com and i want, that mails recieved on mx.anotherexample.com not coming from mx.example.com are sent to mx.example.com EXCEPT it's for local delivery for domains i set somewhere.[13:47:27] <wdp> How would you do that? writing a policy daemon for it?[13:50:01] *** qaws has joined #postfix[14:03:58] <wdp> anyone?[14:04:11] <wdp> rob0, you maybe?[14:04:47] *** nphase has joined #postfix[14:06:27] <sysmonk> wdp: maybe possible with check_client_access to see if it's comming from that server[14:06:45] <sysmonk> if it is - then send it to a special restriction_classess[14:07:12] <sysmonk> which checks your local maps, and if it's not there - FILTER it to smtp:mx.example.com[14:07:27] <sysmonk> but it's just an idea, maybe there's some gotchas about it :)[14:07:58] <wdp> sysmonk, maybe it's working if i forward everything incoming, except it's from mx.example.com, to mx.example.com by using iptables[14:08:13] <wdp> but first, i wanted to see wether there's some good postfix-solution for it.[14:09:45] <qaws> hi, how can I configure fetching mail from directory specified in mysql please? I can use anything, I am trying courier just right now.[14:10:10] <shasta> this is not related to #postfix[14:10:27] <shasta> consult your courier documentation[14:10:38] <wdp> qaws, look for some good courier, mysql howto[14:11:41] <qaws> wdp, i did not found any howto, that solves my problem[14:12:19] <wdp> qaws, there's good documentation on postfix.org in the "howto" section. There are howtos showing how to use postfix, with courier, with mysql.[14:12:34] <wdp> qaws, anyway - if courier is to hard for you.. try dovecot.[14:13:08] <wdp> (hard is the wrong word in that context, or? ;-))[14:13:34] <qaws> wdp, thanks, I will try dovecot[14:13:45] *** CyberCr33p has quit IRC[14:16:14] <shasta> sheesh[14:16:34] <shasta> howto - baaad. project's documentation - gooood. mmkay?[14:16:58] <wdp> shasta, depends on the project, generally i would acknowledge that.[14:18:33] <wdp> atm i know only two really good documentations. The FreeBSD handbook and the postfix documentation ;-)[14:18:51] <wdp> you'll find everything in there.[14:18:58] * sysmonk order some pizza[14:18:58] <lennard> I like the java api docs :P[14:19:02] <sysmonk> time to work[14:19:02] <sysmonk> ;)[14:19:04] <lennard> easier then the C manpages[14:19:14] <lennard> than[14:19:16] <lennard> thingy[14:24:00] *** robboplus_ has joined #postfix[14:25:52] <qaws> and - how can I set postfix to deliver mails to specific directory, not /var/mail pls?[14:26:31] *** marl_ has joined #postfix[14:29:40] <marl_> hi, can someone tell me if its posible to get postfix to reject messages that are to invalid users before they enter the mail queue? i have a server running postfix, clam, spam assasin, dspam, and am havving BIG problems with email delays, i have a program that runs every 15 mins that removes all the MAILER-DAEMON emails, that speeded things up a bit, but i am still getting the mail queue filling up with emails to invalid users and causing BIG delays (over 3 hou[14:30:27] <marl_> lookingto ether reject messages coming in, using postfix, or run an exteneral program that scans the mail queue and removes any emails sent to invalid local users[14:31:05] <hparker> Don't accept mail you can't deliver[14:31:08] *** fabounio has quit IRC[14:33:38] <marl_> as far as i can tell i have postfix set to do that, but all the emails seem to be entering the mail queue first, and then being rejected after that[14:33:53] <marl_> is there a way to get postfix to reject undeliverable emalis BEFORE they hit the queue?[14:36:36] <hparker> reject_unauth_destination does it for me[14:36:53] *** havvg has joined #postfix[14:37:07] <sysmonk> marl_: you may have local_maps disabled[14:37:29] <sysmonk> local_recipient_maps that is[14:37:39] <sysmonk> some stupid implementations or sysadmins do that o_O[14:37:53] <marl_> i have reject_unauth_destinations set[14:38:06] <sysmonk> marl_: that won't help if you have maps disabled[14:38:25] <sysmonk> no maps == nowhere to check == reject_unauth_destination doesn't do anything[14:38:27] <marl_> how can i check that maps are enabled?[14:38:39] <sysmonk> marl_: postconf local_recipient_maps[14:38:54] <sysmonk> but it does depend on WHOLE configuration, you might be not even using local delivery[14:39:09] <marl_> it is set to nothing :([14:39:13] <sysmonk> marl_: there you go then[14:39:40] <marl_> f*ck, i hate dealing with others mail servers :([14:40:06] * sysmonk afk for a smoke[14:41:23] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[14:45:32] *** nphase has quit IRC[14:47:42] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[14:49:33] *** cafuego_ has joined #postfix[14:50:00] *** cafuego has quit IRC[14:50:05] <marl_> can i build a local_recipient_maps table, just listing all the valid email address for this server? and then enter its filename in the local_recipient_maps= entry in main.cf ?[14:50:17] *** cafuego_ is now known as cafuego[14:51:23] <sysmonk> marl_: yes you can[14:53:07] <marl_> so i make a plain txt file up just listing each email addy on a seperate line? user1 at example dot com user2 at example dot com etc.?[14:57:33] <marl_> or does the file have to be in postmap format?[14:59:25] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[14:59:42] *** muecke77 has left #postfix[15:00:58] *** hark has joined #postfix[15:10:40] *** Haris1 has quit IRC[15:15:08] *** nphase has joined #postfix[15:32:08] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[15:32:48] *** syneus has joined #postfix[15:32:51] *** syneus has quit IRC[15:36:56] <sysmonk> ah, pizza arrived![15:37:50] <qaws> hi, how can deliver mail to /home/something/user instead of /var/mail/user please?[15:49:00] <vice-versa> !home_mailbox[15:49:00] <vice-versa> !mail_spool_directory[15:49:02] <knoba> vice-versa: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.[15:49:04] <knoba> vice-versa: "mail_spool_directory" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The directory where local(8) UNIX-style mailboxes are kept. 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running[20:00:48] <Haris1> What does this mean[20:01:04] *** hever has quit IRC[20:01:26] <Haris1> I have both exim and postfix installed on this box. sendmail comes with the OS[20:01:45] <Haris1> I had exim running and postfix was stopped when I got these messages in log[20:02:04] *** hever has joined #postfix[20:02:06] <Haris1> sendmail is not running, postfix is not running, then what is causing these messages?[20:17:33] *** Spec has quit IRC[20:18:23] *** suuuper has joined #postfix[20:40:01] <vice-versa> !sendmail[20:40:01] <knoba> vice-versa: "sendmail" : a pretty cryptic MTA that was famous in the ancient days of UNIX and still runs on a lot of mail servers. Don't confuse it with the "sendmail" command that is offered by Postfix to send emails (for compatibility reasons).[20:45:49] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[20:53:18] *** pitakill has quit IRC[20:54:54] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[20:58:43] *** Gokee2_Laptop has quit IRC[21:16:41] *** wdp has quit IRC[21:22:00] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[21:23:53] *** xnixan has joined #postfix[21:24:26] *** muecke771 has joined #postfix[21:39:05] *** keffer has joined #postfix[21:39:05] *** m_p2 has joined #postfix[21:39:05] *** anuron_ has joined #postfix[21:39:05] *** spybsd has joined #postfix[21:39:09] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[21:39:18] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[21:43:09] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[21:47:27] *** hemry has joined #postfix[21:50:48] <Trengo> Haris1 there are system scripts trying to send mail by calling sendmail directly[21:51:27] <Trengo> if you had sendmail installed, you'd get a clientmqueue growing (mailq -Ac)[21:52:46] <Trengo> if scripts are calling postfix's sendmail binary, you'll get an error in logs, because it isnt running in fact[21:52:50] <Trengo> i think :)[21:52:57] <Trengo> im not very familiar with postfix, sorry[22:04:54] *** Siegfried has quit IRC[22:05:20] *** Haris has joined #postfix[22:06:03] *** muecke771 has quit IRC[22:08:51] *** m0f0x has quit IRC[22:10:36] <Haris> Hello people[22:11:39] * vice-versa waves at Haris[22:12:06] * Haris waves back[22:12:21] <Haris> does domain keys or spf help in rejecting spam?[22:16:31] <jonez> Haris: yes, it helps, but it will not get rid of *all* of the junk[22:16:46] *** wladek_ has joined #postfix[22:17:00] *** m0f0x has joined #postfix[22:17:05] <vice-versa> !spf[22:17:05] <knoba> vice-versa: "spf" : sender policy framework - an extension to SMTP that allows to identify and reject emails from spoofed/forged email senders. SPF is just a TXT record in your DNS zone in a special format. See: http://www.openspf.org/[22:18:43] <vice-versa> !cheatsheet[22:18:45] <knoba> vice-versa: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.[22:19:00] <Trengo> Haris i dont suppose you read any of that?[22:19:27] <stickystyle> SPF and domain keys also helps with sending mail to yahoo's mail servers, as they greylist (but wont admit it) your mail if you dont have records.[22:22:20] <sysmonk> stickystyle: greylist?[22:22:24] <sysmonk> or discard/reject?[22:22:49] <stickystyle> !greylisting[22:22:50] <knoba> stickystyle: Error: "greylisting" is not a valid command.[22:23:06] <sysmonk> stickystyle: i know what's greylisting :)[22:23:13] <sysmonk> i'm asking about your sentence bout yahoo[22:23:52] <vice-versa> or like hotmail/msn, just silently discard[22:24:15] <stickystyle> I have seen my mailq held up with mail going to yahoo, and doing some research found they they do some unoffical graylisting...but dont if you have some kind of verification setup.[22:24:34] <stickystyle> Once i setup SPF, mail started flowing to yahoo freely.[22:24:40] <Haris> Trengo: I skimmed through it last time[22:24:56] <Haris> greylisting is not an option with a large customer base[22:25:13] <stickystyle> Perhaps its just anecdotal evidence.[22:25:23] <stickystyle> But you will find other people talking about it.[22:25:55] <sysmonk> first time i heard about it, but i don't have trouble sending to yahoo[22:26:06] <sysmonk> except throttling, but it's my clients fault[22:26:40] * stickystyle *shrug*[22:31:34] *** Haris1 has quit IRC[22:33:20] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[22:36:04] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[22:37:24] *** hever has quit IRC[22:37:38] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[22:40:26] *** RedShift has joined #postfix[22:40:50] <RedShift> how come postfix keeps wanting to send mail to the vacation program even though it doesn't exist on my computer anymore, and I've deleted all .vacation* files in my homedir?[22:41:32] <stickystyle> RedShift: is it in your .forward file?[22:41:56] <RedShift> well well[22:41:58] <RedShift> yes it is[22:42:02] <stickystyle> :-)[22:42:04] <RedShift> thanks[22:42:33] <stickystyle> no problem.[22:51:25] <Haris> can we have boxA (postfix) + boxB (amavis) + boxC (spamassassin) such that postfix checks incomming mail for spam via boxC and for virus via boxB ?[23:10:29] <jonez> I cannot speak for amavis, but I have set up procmail on the mail server so it calls out to a daemon of spamassassin on another machine.[23:12:33] *** j_s has quit IRC[23:13:09] *** clementis has joined #postfix[23:20:11] *** RedShift has quit IRC[23:20:48] *** bpgoldsb has quit IRC[23:23:25] *** clementis has quit IRC[23:24:43] <Trengo> Haris amavis can handle antivirus and antispam[23:24:56] <Trengo> in fact, amavis can run SA natively[23:34:36] *** m_p2 has quit IRC[23:39:37] *** madrescher has quit IRC[23:39:48] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[23:53:07] *** oxtail has joined #postfix[23:59:34] *** havvg has joined #postfix[23:59:46] *** xpoint has quit IRC