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[00:51:25] <dafrog`> tore_: signum from here has compiled a fantastic article about that
[00:51:28] <dafrog`> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
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[00:51:41] <dafrog`> read the whole thing it covers mailman at the end
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[03:38:33] <lkthomas> hey guys
[03:38:37] <lkthomas> I got this error: Invalid user specified
[03:38:40] <lkthomas> from maildrop
[03:38:43] <lkthomas> anyone have idea why ?
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[03:51:57] <jeffi_> does anyone here already has installed mailm ?
[03:52:08] <lkthomas> holy shit
[03:52:14] <lkthomas> I hate mysql default install
[03:52:23] <lkthomas> default connections are set way too small
[03:52:36] <lkthomas> that cause the login not successful
[03:52:42] <lkthomas> some user can not verify the login
[03:53:06] <jeffi_> i got an error that says encode.c: In function 'b64_send': , what that means and how to fix it ?
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[04:02:57] <jeffi> does anyone here knows how to compile mailm ? i am getting an error and dont know how to fix it
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[04:13:27] <aslan> hello, I changed postfix to listen on port 26 in /etc/postfix/master.cf
[04:14:04] <aslan> our ISP blocks port 25
[04:14:33] <aslan> but now postfix is trying to send to other ISPs on port 26
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[04:14:51] <aslan> any ideas how to fix this?
[04:15:24] <mwalling> dont
[04:15:27] <mwalling> you're doing it wrong
[04:15:35] <aslan> uh.. ok
[04:15:43] <aslan> how do I do it right?
[04:15:59] <aslan> changing it in master.cf was on the postfix FAQ page.. so I tried that.
[04:17:20] <mwalling> use the submission port
[04:17:32] <mwalling> no one will send you mail on port 26
[04:18:36] <aslan> I understand, the problem is that the ISP blocks port 25 so we can't connect on that port..
[04:18:41] <aslan> where do I setup the submission port?
[04:18:43] <aslan> in master.cf?
[04:19:01] <mwalling> !relay_host
[04:19:01] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "relay_host" is not a valid command.
[04:19:06] <mwalling> !relayhost
[04:19:08] <knoba> mwalling: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[04:19:14] <mwalling> you'll also need that ^^
[04:23:11] <aslan> mwalling: thanks
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[05:23:31] <jeffi> is there another program similar to mailm ?
[05:24:04] <jeffi> some software that I could easily send email in a shell ?
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[05:34:28] <sahil> jeffi: why?  are you a spammer?
[05:35:24] <jeffi> sahil i just want to test VDA feature by sending a email with some file attached , thats all
[05:35:59] <jeffi> but i a not getting mailm working in slackware
[05:36:24] <sahil> well, this #postfix. :)
[05:36:31] <jeffi> sure
[05:36:44] <jeffi> i thought i could get some help here
[05:37:36] <seekwill> VDA?
[05:37:59] <seekwill> Yeah, I'm looking for an app that does that as well. To send files.... Let me know if you find a program that can do it :)
[05:38:11] <jeffi> its a new feature that u can use it instead of maildrop for disk quota
[05:38:21] <seekwill> oh
[05:38:45] <jeffi> and I dear to say, much better than maildrop
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[05:42:44] <jeffi> well, mutt does that work for me
[05:42:47] <jeffi> seekwill
[05:43:17] <jeffi> mutt -s "Test mail" -a /tmp/file.tar.gz jeffi at domain dot tld
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[05:56:25] <seekwill> jeffi: Sweet! Thanks!
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[05:59:25] <lkthomas> FUCK
[05:59:28] <lkthomas> I hate sendmail
[06:00:17] <sahil> lkthomas: that's why we use postfix.
[06:01:01] <sahil> jeffi: as long as your implementation of disk quota for mailboxes does not lead to backscatter, go crazy!
[06:01:04] <lkthomas> well, I am using yum remove sendmail, but it is hanging on setting up repositories
[06:01:46] <sahil> is 'yum' some linux-specific thing?
[06:01:55] <Motoko-chan> Yum is a redhat thing.
[06:02:01] <Motoko-chan> More or less.
[06:02:25] <Motoko-chan> For disk quota, make it a hard 5xx error on the data command.
[06:02:38] <Motoko-chan> I believe postfix can do that.
[06:03:28] <lkthomas> this is sick
[06:03:35] <lkthomas> how could I use rpm command to remove apps ?
[06:03:41] * sahil shrugs
[06:03:44] <Motoko-chan> rpm -e packagename
[06:03:46] <sahil> <- not a linux user.
[06:04:02] <Motoko-chan> But make sure you have a different MTA, or it will hurt you with deps.
[06:04:18] <Motoko-chan> Also, yum should work fine, just make sure you have good DNS resolution and a good mirror.
[06:04:22] <lkthomas> ok! postfix take over biw
[06:04:30] <lkthomas> sick yum
[06:04:34] <lkthomas> never likes it
[06:04:43] * Motoko-chan just uses Slackware
[06:05:08] <sahil> Motoko-chan: many people use Maildirs, for which the postfix-internal mailbox_size_limit etc. does not work very well, so the admin would have to create a table with over-quota users that rejects at SMTP time.
[06:05:23] <Motoko-chan> Hm.
[06:05:26] * sahil -> FreeBSD
[06:06:27] <Motoko-chan> I am currently (forced into) using qmail+vpopmail for mailboxes.
[06:06:36] <sahil> ack!
[06:06:46] <Motoko-chan> Although I am looking at migrating to Postfix + Dovecot when I have time to plan a migration.
[06:06:50] <sahil> dovecot has been good to us.  it was an incredibly pain migrating from uw imap, though.
[06:06:57] <Motoko-chan> Thousands of users are a pain to move.
[06:07:01] <sahil> s/incredibly/incredible*
[06:07:10] <Motoko-chan> I moved from Courier to Dovecot with the qmail setup.
[06:07:12] <sahil> Motoko-chan: possibly the understatement of the day.
[06:07:13] <Motoko-chan> So much nicer.
[06:08:05] <Motoko-chan> Especially since some users have 3k+ mails in a single folder.
[06:08:11] <Motoko-chan> Indexing = good.
[06:08:45] <sahil> some users apparently refuse to delete email.  one mailbox is > 2G.  wtf.
[06:09:33] <Motoko-chan> No clients have over 700meg of quota on their box.
[06:09:43] <Motoko-chan> We only allow pop3 remotely, imap only via webmail.
[06:10:00] <Motoko-chan> Although since we (where I work) are on the same server, we don't have quotas.
[06:11:11] <seekwill> sahil: I don't delete email :)
[06:12:16] <sahil> seekwill: blasphemer!
[06:12:22] <seekwill> :)
[06:12:29] <seekwill> Disk space is cheap.
[06:12:43] <sahil> it is, which is why we don't enforce quota, but 2G, come on! :P
[06:13:53] <seekwill> We've had several instances of customers saying "oh we never said that", and by printing up the email they sent 3-4 months ago, prove them wrong.
[06:14:31] <seekwill> It's not 2GB of forwards from friends containing stupid images
[06:14:32] <sahil> do you guys have to archive all mail as per policy/law?
[06:14:41] <seekwill> I don't think so
[06:14:48] <sahil> seekwill: *shrug*, i don't know what it is -- we don't pry in their mailboxes.
[06:14:49] <seekwill> Honestly, I just don't delete things.
[06:15:07] <seekwill> sahil: Is it for work, or consumer?
[06:15:12] <sahil> i'm talking site-wide archival policies, not individual mailbox sizes.
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[08:49:47] <eat> howdy
[08:49:56] <eat> anyone here use azureus
[08:50:02] <eat> or vuze
[08:50:27] <eat> damn my dog keeps farting  in her sleep
[08:51:26] <sysmonk> oh that is sooo postfix related
[08:51:27] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:52:03] <sysmonk> both azureus, vuze, and you dog's farting
[08:52:09] <eat> sorry
[08:52:10] <eat> lol
[08:52:15] <sysmonk> your*
[08:52:20] <eat> never been to this server before
[08:52:27] <eat> you're
[08:52:30] <eat> you mean
[08:53:41] <eat> well you are of no use to me
[08:53:42] <eat> adios
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[08:53:48] <sysmonk> o_O
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[09:22:28] <aldous_fuxley> thanks chanserv
[09:22:33] <aldous_fuxley> im back
[09:22:43] <aldous_fuxley> i cant change my nick back to eat
[09:22:49] <aldous_fuxley> !nick eat
[09:22:50] <knoba> aldous_fuxley: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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[09:31:13] <sysmonk> heh
[09:31:14] <sysmonk> !whoami
[09:31:14] <knoba> sysmonk: I don't recognize you.
[09:31:20] <sysmonk> bad knoba
[09:39:22] <jduggan> D:
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[09:49:42] <SniZ|work> May 27 07:45:12 mail postfix/smtpd[28412]: connect from mail.emo.by[91.203.4.33]
[09:49:43] <SniZ|work> May 27 07:45:14 mail postfix/smtpd[28412]: D11611698B25: client=mail.emo.by[91.203.4.33]
[09:49:43] <SniZ|work> May 27 07:45:14 mail postfix/smtpd[28412]: D11611698B25: reject: DATA from mail.emo.by[91.203.4.33]: 503 5.5.0 <DATA>: Data command rejected: Improper use of SMTP command pipelining; from=<admin at emo dot by> to=<lex at emo dot by> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail.emo.by>
[09:49:43] <SniZ|work> May 27 07:45:14 mail postfix/smtpd[28412]: warning: non-SMTP command from mail.emo.by[91.203.4.33]: To: lex at emo dot by
[09:49:44] <SniZ|work> May 27 07:45:14 mail postfix/smtpd[28412]: disconnect from mail.emo.by[91.203.4.33]
[09:50:01] <SniZ|work> could somebody explain me that?
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[10:51:18] <loompek> morning
[10:53:43] <Trengo> hello
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[11:00:19] <loompek> where could i find/set the retry time if outgoing mail is deferred
[11:03:23] <wdp> in your configuration file
[11:03:26] <wdp> *scnr*
[11:05:15] <loompek> great... tried looking for it ... postconf -v | grep ^smtp_ | grep retry
[11:05:28] <loompek> but imagine that... couldn't find it
[11:06:50] <loompek> queue_run_delay
[11:06:54] <loompek> hope this one is it
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[11:08:39] <f3ew> minimal_backoff_time and maximal_backoff_time
[11:08:42] <f3ew> @ loompek
[11:08:55] <loompek> thanks
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[12:52:27] <rurouni> how do i rewrite the from address when i send to a specific domain only?
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[14:19:02] <decker> spose it might be too early still...but here goes.
[14:19:46] <decker> my new postfix setup seems to be working great, far as I can tell.  only problem, I'm getting some weird errors in my logs.  http://rafb.net/p/8C0nnn66.html
[14:20:02] <decker> anyone have any advice on that?
[14:22:49] <lunaphyte_> are you using either sql or sasldb for sasl?
[14:23:02] <decker> I mean, authentication seems to work.  I throw in the right username/password and I'm set.  wrong username/password and it fails.  just going off local accounts by the way.
[14:23:20] <decker> I threw dovecot main.cf
[14:23:58] <decker> smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot and all that
[14:23:58] <lunaphyte_> huh?
[14:24:38] <decker> oops.  meant to say I threw dovecot into main.cf
[14:24:58] <decker> ha, sorry, been a long night so far
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[14:27:55] <lunaphyte_> i don't understand what that means.
[14:29:28] <decker> well, from what I understood, that would mean it uses dovecot for authentication.
[14:30:32] <lunaphyte_> oh, so what you really mean is that you put smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot in main.cf?
[14:31:32] <decker> yeah, exactly
[14:33:40] <lunaphyte_> so is that a yes or a no to my first question?
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[14:39:13] <decker> well, a no I thought.  since I put smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot and all, I wouldn't think it would be either sql or sasldb.
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[14:40:48] <yajith> hi all, i have postfix + a content filter in my setup and i want to use sender_bcc_maps..i get 2 copies of each mail..how can i make this work properly ?
[14:41:24] <yajith> i get 2 copies of each mail when i activate sender_bcc_maps*
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[14:45:13] <lunaphyte_> decker: dovecot and cyrus are sasl types.  sql and sasldb are sasl mechanisms.  you pick a type of sasl to use, and then you pick the mechs you'd like to use with that type.  pastebin the contents of your dovecot.conf file.
[14:46:39] <decker> one sec
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[14:51:49] <decker> here you go: http://rafb.net/p/lOG8m561.html
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[15:17:18] <decker> lunaphyte_: so...any ideas?
[15:24:55] <lunaphyte_> i'm not very familiar with dovecot's sasl implementation, but that syntax doesn't really look right.
[15:26:10] <lunaphyte_> egrep -vi '(^.*#|^$)' dovecot.conf
[15:26:22] <lunaphyte_> there's really no need to hide your addresses.
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[15:31:27] <decker> well man, spose I'm not going to worry about it so much for now since things seem to be working
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[15:36:14] <lunaphyte_> if your curiosity is raised again, looking at the dovecot docs will probably clarify what and when the various mechanisms are used.
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[16:08:32] <Kamaze> Hello, a simple question: in "Where should mail for root go?" can i put in there an external e-mailadress?
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[16:10:31] <lunaphyte_> sure, if you like.
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[16:31:44] <lenscape_> can I get postfix to set different (more permissive) permissions on mail delivered to a maildir?
[16:37:31] <shasta> why would you do that?
[16:37:52] <lenscape_> because the mail is processed by a daemon
[16:38:14] <lenscape_> a process on another machine
[16:38:24] <lenscape_> and there are several mailboxes that it processes
[16:38:46] <f3ew> Why not just relay mail to the other process?
[16:38:51] <f3ew> Kamaze yes
[16:39:00] <shasta> like content_filter
[16:39:09] <shasta> !content_filter
[16:39:10] <knoba> shasta: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.
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[16:39:26] <lenscape_> The processing is done on a Windows machine for historical reasons
[16:39:35] <lenscape_> but the mail is delivered to a Linux machine
[16:39:39] <lenscape_> I can't change that
[16:39:56] <tuxick> nothing as rewarding as changing history
[16:39:57] <lenscape_> I simply need to change the permissions and we're sorted
[16:42:39] <shasta> !mailbox_command
[16:42:40] <knoba> shasta: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[16:43:33] <shasta> write yourself a custom script and use it as mailbox_command
[16:44:59] <lenscape_> Is this simply a matter of parsing some args and writing stdin somewhere?
[16:45:16] <lenscape_> or does it involve parsing the email itself?
[16:46:00] <lenscape_> or is there an API to understand?
[16:47:16] <shasta> start with http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mailbox_command
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[16:56:59] <lenscape_> shasta: Thanks. Looks good
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[17:21:11] <Aw0L> is there an easy way to tell if my current postfix build includes mysql support?
[17:22:10] <shasta> postconf -m
[17:23:50] <Aw0L> thanks
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[17:27:39] <myke> Is there a way to tell postfix to use one nic for inbound SMTP connections and a different nic for outbound SMTP connections?
[17:28:25] <Roobarb> not directly
[17:29:14] <tuxick> sounds funky
[17:29:21] <Roobarb> inbound connections will be handled on whatever interface holds the IP the connection was made to
[17:29:32] <Roobarb> outbound is a little more tricky
[17:29:52] <Roobarb> its dependant on your routing table, and where the destination IP is
[17:30:09] <myke> yeah... I am trying to convince my Cisco Pix guy that his firewall is killing connections,,,
[17:30:49] <myke> my entire mailq consist of conversation with ...  timed out while sending message body
[17:30:55] <Roobarb> PIX's are known to break SMTP if they have protocol inspection turned on
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[17:33:12] <myke> OK I will work on getting that changed...
[17:33:20] <myke> Second question...
[17:34:50] <myke> I noticed that NXDOMAIN errors sit in the mailq for 5 days... Is there a way to bounce immediately DNS Errors?
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[17:35:39] <Roobarb> that'll also bounce if the DNS server is down
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[17:38:18] <Roobarb> maximal_queue_lifetime defines the absolute queue lifetime, and thats probably all you can tweak
[17:39:51] <myke> I thought about doing that...
[17:40:11] <myke> I was thinkin about setting it down to 2 days..
[17:40:47] <myke> that that seems high for someone that fat fingered an email address or firgits that .net or .com is required
[17:41:53] <shasta> myke, man 5 postconf, see smtp_pix_workaround*
[17:44:48] <myke> that might work...
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[17:56:30] <butchevans2002> Postfix 2.5.2 - trying to use mysql db for local_recipient_maps.  Is this possible or will I have to convert to virtual domains type config so that I can use virtual delivery?  FWIW, I am using dbmail for LDA
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[18:00:33] <myke> Did you compile postfix for mysql support... most distros do not do not provide a mysql postfix package
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[18:00:52] <byspeed> Hello, i got a problem. I followed the german tutorial for postfix. If i create a new user the path /home/vmail/%d/%u/ will be created, but i cannot send mails to the account. pop3 works well, i can send a successful query but for sure, i dont get any mails
[18:01:22] <Dominian> what's the error in the logs?
[18:02:00] <byspeed> moment, i connect to the server
[18:04:33] <byspeed> hum? Postfix told dovecot to deliver the mail
[18:04:42] <byspeed> but i cannot get it per pop3?
[18:04:55] <byspeed> strange.. 5 minutes before not even this worked
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[18:06:33] <byspeed> *eyes fall out of the head*
[18:06:59] <donspaulding> Is there a way I can get the qmgr daemon to log the subject instead of the cleanup daemon?
[18:07:01] <byspeed> Now it works ?
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[18:07:43] <CyberCr33p> what hardware is needed to send about 7 million e-mails ?
[18:07:53] <Dominian> CyberCr33p: you a spammer?
[18:08:05] <byspeed> CyberCr33p: Depending on what time you have :P
[18:08:15] <butchevans2002> myke: Yes I did...I have the mydestination working from mysql
[18:08:18] <Dominian> 7 million e-mails cries SPAMMER to me.
[18:08:24] <Dominian> and if that is the case... you won't find help here.
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[18:08:47] <mwalling> hey, he never established a time frame
[18:08:49] <butchevans2002> myke: also, I installed from source.  I could not find a mysql package for Fedora
[18:08:57] <mwalling> i could send 7 million emails over 7 million years
[18:09:02] <CyberCr33p> Dominian, I don't have idea for what will be used
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[18:09:34] <Dominian> well, 7million emails
[18:09:37] <Dominian> that's kind of a "tip"
[18:09:40] <byspeed> with 7mio mails you will bother the mailserver :P
[18:09:48] <CyberCr33p> :D
[18:09:53] <neuro_damage> I have mad fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
[18:10:06] <neuro_damage> and warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling?
[18:10:11] <CyberCr33p> so what hardware do you think it's needed to send the e-mails in 1 day, in 3 days and in 1 week ?
[18:10:12] <neuro_damage> anybody seen these or know about them?
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[18:10:35] <byspeed> 1 day, forget it
[18:10:40] <byspeed> 3 days, forget it too
[18:10:47] <byspeed> 1Week, take a celeron
[18:10:48] <neuro_damage> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[18:10:52] <neuro_damage> and aliases exists?
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[18:12:52] <CyberCr33p> so 3 servers can send about 3million e-mails within 3-4 days
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[18:14:04] <Dominian> Guys, if he's wanting to send out 7million emails.. he's a spammer.
[18:14:05] * Dominian shrugs
[18:14:17] <Dominian> no one in the universe sends out taht much email
[18:14:36] <byspeed> oh me :D i have sent about 500k mails
[18:14:47] <CyberCr33p> Dominian, I hope he is not
[18:14:48] <Dominian> byspeed: that's quite a bit less than 7million
[18:14:52] <neuro_damage> Dominian: that makes sense
[18:14:56] <byspeed> but this was a error in a while in php xD
[18:15:11] <Dominian> byspeed: there are plenty of email servers that handel 500,000+ emails a day
[18:15:13] <Dominian> but not 7million
[18:15:14] <CyberCr33p> well if someone is spammer is a spammer it doesn't matter if he sent 500k or 7mil e-mails
[18:15:21] <Dominian> bull
[18:15:26] <Dominian> 7million is  a LOT OF emails
[18:15:31] <Dominian> andyou want to do it in a "quick" time
[18:15:34] <Dominian> screams spammer
[18:15:37] <byspeed> Dominian: but not on 2 or 3 minutes xD
[18:15:47] <neuro_damage> http://pastebin.com/d35a87462
[18:15:54] <CyberCr33p> Dominian, does it help if the server has 2gb of ram instead of 1gb ?
[18:15:56] <neuro_damage> I feel like there is an error with mynetworks variable?
[18:16:01] <neuro_damage> what is the correct setting to that mail server?
[18:16:24] <neuro_damage> I have a public static IP and domain name for it?
[18:16:36] <neuro_damage> currently it's dumping out on the errors I mentioned earlier.
[18:16:58] <donspaulding> neuro_damage: did you run postmap hash:/etc/aliases ?
[18:17:19] <donspaulding> or something like that.
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[18:17:29] <CyberCr33p> byspeed, does it help if the server has 2gb of ram instead of 1gb ?
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[18:17:49] <neuro_damage> donspaulding: nope I did now and I get is this an alias file?
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[18:18:00] <neuro_damage> it's in key:value format?
[18:18:03] <byspeed> euhm, no ^^
[18:18:18] <scout> hey any idea why when i type in mailq it reads out a few hundred then starts CHUGGING and will no longer display the remaining queue?
[18:18:26] <donspaulding> neuro_damage: I don't know jack, all I know is some of my maps had to be run through the postmap command.
[18:18:40] <donspaulding> neuro_damage: it creates a filename.db file for you.
[18:18:50] <neuro_damage> donspaulding: it's not creating it though, it's erroring out, that's weird!
[18:19:16] <donspaulding> like I said, I'm a postfix noob.
[18:19:39] <neuro_damage> donspaulding: i feel ya
[18:20:23] <butchevans2002> neuro_damage: pastebin your /etc/aliases file
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[18:21:30] <neuro_damage> butchevans2002: a line lokos like
[18:21:40] <neuro_damage> emailaddyname: username
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[18:22:21] <butchevans2002> neuro_damage: if you're getting that error, it is because one line (at least) is not in that format
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[18:25:04] <butchevans2002> so no confirmed answer to using mysql tables for ?local_recipient_maps?  I've tried, but not been able to get it to work.  From the docs, it looks like Virtual is my only answer.  If this can be done, I'd really appreciate a link to docs that tell how to use mysql for local_recipient_maps.
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[18:27:41] <lunaphyte_> butchevans2002: as long as the lookup returns what postfix is expecting, you can use any map type you like.
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[18:30:26] <neuro_damage> butchevans2002: right I double checked I don't know what's going on anymore :(
[18:30:49] <neuro_damage> butchevans2002: but that's def the address currently unkown in the recipient list is the error right now in my mail logs :(
[18:32:01] <lunaphyte_> neuro_damage: just run newaliases
[18:32:15] <byspeed> do updates in database take a while or do they directly change in postfix (eg. adding user, etc..)
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[18:32:30] <lunaphyte_> what database?
[18:32:42] <byspeed> mysql
[18:32:52] <lunaphyte_> unless you are caching, they are immediate.
[18:32:59] <byspeed> hmm
[18:33:01] <byspeed> strange
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[18:33:30] <scout> hey if i have mail in queue with error "Unknown mail transport error" will they attempt to resend? these were incoming mails and i had an error in my transport db :(
[18:33:38] <scout> ugh 24k in queue :(
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[18:34:54] <byspeed> i always get unknown user 'webmaster'
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[18:35:20] <byspeed> but i dont know what that means
[18:35:34] <byspeed> i have the user in the mysql db and the alias, and so on
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[18:42:20] <byspeed_> i always get unknown user 'webmaster'
[18:42:26] <byspeed_> but i dont know what that means
[18:42:29] <byspeed_> i have the user in the mysql db and the alias, and so on
[18:42:32] <byspeed_> so what could be the problem?
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[18:50:13] <butchevans2002> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.com/d180750d7
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[19:08:09] <lunaphyte_> butchevans2002: does that map function properly with postmap?
[19:08:40] <butchevans2002> yes...very top of the pastebin is a postmap
[19:09:46] <lunaphyte_> oh, oops, i missed that.
[19:09:50] <butchevans2002> I even ran dos2unix thinking it was a bad hidden character or something.  Then manually recreated the file
[19:10:58] <butchevans2002> fwiw, I have other mysql maps that are working
[19:11:07] <butchevans2002> transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-domains.cf  is an example
[19:11:25] <lunaphyte_> since results in local lookups are used as lists, you might try returning 'local' (or such) in your query, rather than the email address.  maybe the @ is causing trouble.
[19:12:27] <butchevans2002> hmmm.  I'll give that a try..
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[19:13:49] <butchevans2002> does the actual return value matter?
[19:14:23] <butchevans2002> or (better question) what return constitutes an "OK" vs "not ok"
[19:14:51] <lunaphyte_> hmm,  also (i'm not quite positive - i don't use local(8)) - i think that local lookups are only done with the lhs.
[19:15:06] <lunaphyte_> no, it doesn't matter.  success mean ok.
[19:15:09] <lunaphyte_> *means.
[19:16:56] <butchevans2002> k..I will know in 3 minutes if it works
[19:17:37] <lunaphyte_> what happens in 3 minutes?
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[19:20:07] <butchevans2002> I tested
[19:20:08] <butchevans2002> :-)
[19:20:13] <butchevans2002> no change
[19:21:21] <butchevans2002> I created a column that returned "OK", user part of email, and "local" (3 tests) and same result for all 3
[19:24:02] <butchevans2002> I tried this on postfix 2.3.0 (that's what I was running before last night), then upgraded to 2.5.2 (compiled according to MYSQL_README) and exact same error
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[19:24:51] <lunaphyte_> did you query with the lhs only?
[19:25:03] <butchevans2002> not sure what you mean?
[19:25:13] <butchevans2002> localhost?
[19:25:40] <lunaphyte_> for example, postmap -q butche mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-users-dbmail.cf
[19:26:22] <butchevans2002> ahh...nope.  Let me do that
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[19:28:12] <butchevans2002> that fails, but the thing is this:  when I enable the mysql map for local_recipient_maps, the smtp server fails with the errors shown and the connection to the server just fails.  It doesn't even allow me to send the "ehlo".  It just immediately crashes with the error shown in the pastebin
[19:29:56] <butchevans2002> the MYSQL_README says this: This implementation allows for multiple mysql databases: you can use one for a virtual(5) table, one for an access(5) table, and one for an aliases(5) table if you want.
[19:30:45] <butchevans2002> does that mean those are the only places I can use mysql maps?  or is it saying it doesn't matter how many different places I use mysql maps and they can come from all sorts of different databases?
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[19:35:25] <rob0> Generally mysql maps are not used with local domains. It's possible, but you also have to consider the needs of local(8) as well as smtpd(8). The latter uses local_recipient_maps; that part is easy.
[19:36:13] <rob0> maybe PAM with pam_mysql (is there such a thing)?
[19:36:34] <rob0> in that case you wouldn't mess with local_recipient_maps
[19:39:05] <rob0> http://pam-mysql.sourceforge.net/ last update over 2 years ago, but that might not mean anything
[19:41:33] <Daviey> Hi, how can i get postfix to connect to an external spamd server?
[19:42:02] <scout> what do you mean by connect
[19:42:43] <Daviey> as in, do the spamd stuff ;)
[19:43:02] <Daviey> I was doing it on localhost, but it was hammering the machine too much - so want to offload it
[19:43:37] <Daviey> I have an external spamassassin server, that works well with exim - just don't know how to set it up with postfix
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[19:44:39] <rob0> !filter
[19:44:41] <knoba> rob0: Error: "filter" is not a valid command.
[19:44:46] <rob0> !filter_readme
[19:44:46] <knoba> rob0: "filter_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html :: After-queue content filtering
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[19:45:52] <rob0> also, to reduce the content_filter load ...
[19:45:58] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[19:45:59] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[19:46:03] <rob0> !zen
[19:46:04] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
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[19:47:21] <zoldar> hello, is there any smtp and pop3/imap traffic logger with sql db support for storage? mysqmail seems to be a bit outdated and download links don't work...
[19:49:00] <Daviey> thanks
[19:49:06] <butchevans2002> rob0: all I want to do is enable the ability in postfix to accept mail only for known email addresses.  I don't use local users at all, so I'm not sure PAM would work.  I'm using dbmail as the LDA.  It is the smtpd that is failing when I enable the mysql map.
[19:49:49] <rob0> For dbmail you should use relay_domains and relay_recipient_maps.
[19:50:27] <butchevans2002> so local_recipient_maps should be left null?
[19:50:42] <rob0> :(
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[19:52:34] <scout> daviey you planning on having the spamd filter it then send it back to your postfix?
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[19:52:40] <scout> or is it going to send mail out from there
[19:53:16] <Haris> How does one implement spamhaus or any other way of filtering spam if the clients on the mail server are not used to smtp auth
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[19:54:35] <Daviey> scout: yah
[19:54:54] <Daviey> scout: the spamd server is deciated to just processing
[19:55:07] <butchevans2002> rob0: So, by setting relay_domains=$mydestination, then adding relay_recipient_maps=mysql:mysql-users-dbmail.cf (which postmaps correctly), will that change the way I have to do the delivery in master.cf?
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[20:01:47] <scout> daviey: there is a lot of docs out there for this. instead of sending it to your localhost in master.cf you send it to your spam box
[20:01:57] <rob0> Butch, 1. List dbmail domains in relay_domains **NOT** mydestination.
[20:02:05] <scout> daviey: for instance http://www.howtoforge.com/amavisd_postfix_debian_ubuntu
[20:02:11] <rob0> 2. Don't change settings you don't understand.
[20:02:28] <rob0> 3. To increase understanding (possibly), see ...
[20:02:35] <rob0> !address_classes
[20:02:36] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[20:03:34] <rob0> Most servers need some kind of local(8) delivery, for cron jobs and the like.
[20:12:50] * cite recommends error(8) and discard(8) for local delivery. Blazingly fast!
[20:16:02] * mwalling discards cite
[20:16:15] <mwalling> boomshakalakaboom
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[20:25:01] <Haris> no answers for me?
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[20:27:49] <lunaphyte_> Haris: i don't follow.  filtering and auth are 2 different things.
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[20:31:36] <Haris> lunaphyte_: That means you need to widen your scope of thinking :p
[20:31:57] <Haris> When I implement spamhaus, it'll ban all damned dialup and other connections, from where home users and some businesses send mail
[20:32:16] <Haris> then I'll have to implement smtp auth to give them the ability to send mail
[20:32:19] <Haris> which, I can't
[20:32:36] <Haris> that means I can't use zen.spamhaus.org for filtering mail
[20:32:45] <Haris> what other means can I exploit?
[20:33:03] <Haris> this network has a dedicated PIII box with amavis for virus/etc etc filtering
[20:33:28] <Haris> but I guess, spam still seeps through
[20:34:47] <lunaphyte_> the users and businesses are your users?  or are you talking about general mail delivery to your server?
[20:34:48] <rob0> Haris needs to widen his understanding of restrictions
[20:35:11] <lunaphyte_> i like that oxymoron :)
[20:35:19] <rob0> HINT: restrictions are evaluated IN ORDER
[20:35:50] <lunaphyte_> i'm still trying to figure out if he allows non-authenticated clients from the public internet the ability to relay.
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[20:46:17] <byspeed> i always get unknown user 'webmaster'
[20:46:24] <byspeed> but i dont know what that means
[20:46:29] <byspeed> i have the user in the mysql db and the alias, and so on
[20:46:33] <byspeed> so what could be the problem?
[20:46:45] <byspeed> now it stopped working again
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[20:50:21] <byspeed> Status: bounced (unknown User xxxx)
[20:50:55] <rob0> !gigo
[20:50:56] <knoba> rob0: Error: "gigo" is not a valid command.
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[20:54:41] <Aw0L> aside from management purposes, is there a reason to have a db backend?
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[20:55:56] <byspeed> yes
[20:56:16] <byspeed> you dont need to cncentrate on one file
[20:57:57] <Aw0L> one file?
[20:58:39] <byspeed> yes
[20:58:53] <byspeed> if you dont have a DB, then you need to write the datas in a file
[20:59:12] <adaptr> if you use a database, you have to edit the file AND the database
[20:59:24] <byspeed> i dont have a file :P
[20:59:37] <adaptr> then you don't have a mailserver, either
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[21:01:20] <Haris> back
[21:01:32] <Haris> rob0: I read about restrictions
[21:01:32] <Aw0L> so...it's better NOT to have a db?
[21:02:01] <Haris> lunaphyte_: Why would I do that?
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[21:03:40] <byspeed> adaptr: I only have a config file
[21:03:44] <byspeed> and the db
[21:03:53] <byspeed> and the config file is edited one time
[21:04:02] <byspeed> and then ic an do everything over the db
[21:04:09] <Aw0L> ah
[21:04:31] <Aw0L> so mysql? do you use postfixadmin?
[21:04:42] <adaptr> no
[21:04:48] <byspeed> no, i do use my knowlegde about mysql xD
[21:05:00] <Aw0L> lol, ok
[21:05:07] <Aw0L> I was reading something on using ldap
[21:05:32] <adaptr> forget it
[21:05:35] <Aw0L> well, a howto - I'm not sure if it'd be a good thing or overly complex
[21:05:52] <adaptr> if this is giving you teh headaches, don't even think about LDAP
[21:06:03] <lunaphyte_> Aw0L: it is nothing other than personal preference.  you'll find that many folks who have large sql databases tied to mail delivery will often dump to flat files for actual usage.
[21:06:19] <byspeed> hmm, i need a solution of my problem next ten minutes.. i dont want to bother you, but my webmaster is again angry with me -.-'
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[21:06:25] <adaptr> well, as to complex - LDAP is as complex as you make it, it can aid in keeping user information in one place, for mutliple machines, and postfix can query it for mailboxes, aliases, etc.
[21:06:37] <adaptr> byspeed: then you won't get a solution
[21:06:45] <cpm> you're fired
[21:06:49] <cpm> pack up and go home.
[21:06:52] <byspeed> :D
[21:07:28] <byspeed> i hate mailservers... my one and only love are apache and mysql servers
[21:07:38] * cpm would view that with immense relief.
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[21:09:38] <byspeed> :P
[21:09:50] <lunaphyte_> byspeed: tell your webmaster that #postfix said "Poor Planning in your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"
[21:09:59] <byspeed> you should see my webmaster when he is angry xD
[21:10:05] <adaptr> bring her on
[21:10:10] <adaptr> I have dealt with worse
[21:10:21] <byspeed> :D
[21:10:44] <byspeed> no, i only wait until somebody answer
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[21:10:51] <lunaphyte_> then tell your webmaster that a monkey could do his job.
[21:11:11] <cpm> yup
[21:11:22] <byspeed> my Problem is: tomorrow i need to write kind of classtest, that is like high school grade
[21:11:49] <byspeed> so i need to get to bed early :(
[21:13:05] <byspeed> What annoys me: The server tells me, there is no user with that name, but this user is in the database and also i can see the sent mails in squirrelmail
[21:14:00] <lunaphyte_> show logs
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[21:15:05] <byspeed> Tell me how to copy&paste from nano per ssh :D
[21:15:17] <rob0> byspeed: NO ANSWER IS POSSIBLE. It's the law of GIGO.
[21:15:23] <rob0> oh crap
[21:15:40] <rob0> That question is worth an /ignore right there.
[21:15:46] <lunaphyte_> oh, that's all i have to do?
[21:15:53] <lunaphyte_> here, let me see.
[21:16:06] <rob0> Learn how to use your OS and the tools it gives you.
[21:16:31] <Haris> nano?
[21:16:33] <lunaphyte_> this should work: e01257d4a85591f89b78e091b13dd619
[21:16:35] <Haris> use vim !
[21:16:47] <byspeed> Sorry, iam a linux newbie.. id use mercury on win.. :D
[21:16:59] * cpm 's eyes drift upwards towards topic,
[21:17:29] <rob0> The task of MTA management is not properly given to "linux newbies".
[21:17:34] * lunaphyte_ waits to see if they roll completely back.
[21:17:52] <Haris> so, in smtpd_client_restrictions I put spamhaus, it blocks all dialup clients
[21:17:57] <Haris> how do I allow them to send email?
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[21:18:15] <lunaphyte_> make them auth.
[21:18:37] <rob0> Haris, until you understand how restrictions work, ONLY use smtpd_recipient_restrictions .
[21:19:46] * Dominian still doesn't know how restrictions work
[21:19:48] <Dominian> :P
[21:20:51] <Haris> lunaphyte_: the owner of the network, says no
[21:21:01] <adaptr> I apply them, and you will find you are restricted.. simple, really
[21:21:32] * lunaphyte_ disregards adaptr's restrictions.
[21:22:38] <mwalling> May 27 19:08:59 you postfix/smtpd[17171]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[201.229.164.11]: 554 5.7.1 <tali at surasky dot co.il>: Relay access denied; from=<hoceramic at chasseurdefrance dot com> to=<tali at surasky dot co.il> proto=ESMTP helo=<SpeedTouch.lan>
[21:22:45] <mwalling> heh... stupid spammer
[21:22:58] <mwalling> invalid tld in helo? never seen that before
[21:23:08] <rob0> oh yes, that's common
[21:23:16] <Haris> that's nothing new
[21:23:20] <lunaphyte_> really?  i see that constantly.
[21:23:24] <mwalling> first one ive seen
[21:23:27] <adaptr> it's a relay via a modem-assigned name
[21:23:37] <rob0> in fact that is a good use of check_helo_access
[21:23:37] <adaptr> typical home luser
[21:23:40] <Haris> I send mail from my gateway box which has a domain name on it, only resolveable on lan
[21:23:51] <Haris> the internet would think it doesn't exist
[21:25:30] <byspeed> Cpm, whats about rolling your eyes back to chat? :)
[21:26:43] * cpm asks the goat.
[21:26:47] <cpm> goat says no.
[21:26:59] <lunaphyte_> que chiva?
[21:28:11] <cpm> lunaphyte_, yup
[21:28:12] <Haris> oh no!
[21:28:19] <Haris> goat worshiper!
[21:28:33] <lunaphyte_> tu es el chupacabra.
[21:29:12] <cpm> no, just keep one in the bag, in case I need to ask permission about something, lunaphyte_ yeah, pretty much.
[21:29:17] <lunaphyte_> oops, yo soy el chupacabra
[21:29:37] <cpm> You are?
[21:29:42] * cpm asks the goat
[21:29:44] <lunaphyte_> si senor!
[21:29:55] <cpm> you don't want to know, goat is often rude
[21:30:14] <Haris> damn updating ports after a long time takes loOoOOOong
[21:30:26] <lunaphyte_> ask the goat if it knows about dia del chiva blanca.
[21:30:53] <Haris> I heard of casa blanca, but never heard of chiva blanca
[21:30:57] <cpm> heh, no. I don't want to go there. Is that anything like the day of the dead?
[21:31:05] <byspeed> http://paste.frubar.net/8292 Okay, heres the log from /var/log/mail.log, i logged in tried to send mails 2 times and logged out again
[21:31:20] <lunaphyte_> no, not really.
[21:31:23] <cpm> k
[21:31:55] <cpm> goat says it's this
[21:31:57] <cpm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_Up_a_White_Kid_Day
[21:32:00] <Haris> anyone got a link to English Premier League football matches?
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[21:34:14] <rob0> !unknown_local
[21:34:15] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).
[21:36:15] <lunaphyte_> your pastebin is sloooooowwwwwww....
[21:36:15] <byspeed> but the user is listed in the database?
[21:38:06] <lunaphyte_> oh, that was my fault.
[21:38:31] * cpm blames lunaphyte_
[21:39:26] * rob0 blames cpm (and the blame passes through to lunaphyte_)
[21:39:36] <cpm> hmm, interesting
[21:39:44] <cpm> and if I blame rob0 ?
[21:39:51] <cpm> I can't blame the goat.
[21:40:01] <rob0> That would be baaaaaaaaaaaad
[21:40:10] <lunaphyte_> this is starting to chupar.
[21:41:11] <lunaphyte_> so, would the term for a goat that got blamed still be scapegoat?
[21:41:37] <lunaphyte_> or does that imply that the goat is inherently at fault?
[21:42:21] <rob0> And the goat that gets away is the Escapegoat
[21:42:33] <byspeed> local_recipient_maps could not be found anywhere?
[21:42:58] <byspeed> i only have virtual users
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[21:44:08] <rob0> But you did not set it up properly, because your logs showed local(8) delivery!
[21:44:52] <byspeed> i dont know where to find this local_recipient_maps option
[21:45:16] <rob0> grrr
[21:45:24] <cpm> lunaphyte_, exactly, which is why the goat doesn't allow it.
[21:45:32] <byspeed> grrrr?
[21:46:01] <lunaphyte_> baaaaa.
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[21:46:54] <lunaphyte_> what is the required velocity for an escapegoat?
[21:46:57] <webPragmatist> anyone around?
[21:47:00] <webPragmatist> er
[21:47:09] * lunaphyte_ covers himself.
[21:47:42] <rob0> Goatspeed!
[21:47:55] <byspeed> ?
[21:48:20] <webPragmatist> I'm having a problem where I am generating a form based email but it is getting bounced back because the "from" user doesn't exist... how can I allow "from" anywhere?
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[21:48:26] <webPragmatist> atleast I think that is the problem
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[21:50:03] <webPragmatist> is that considered relayhost?
[21:52:52] <SniZ> hi, i enable quotas - 2M, but it recieve mail > 2mb
[21:52:56] <SniZ> what wrong?
[21:53:58] <SniZ> virtual_mailbox_limit_maps = mysql:$base/mysqlLookupMaps/quota.conf
[21:54:03] <SniZ> like this
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[21:55:17] <mwalling> webPragmatist: yes
[21:56:06] <webPragmatist> so should it be localhost?
[21:56:12] <webPragmatist> or something? I don't understand
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[21:57:00] <rob0> Where's our Magic 8-Ball?
[21:58:11] <webPragmatist> no clue
[21:58:43] * lunaphyte_ hands rob0 a small amount of a powdered substance.
[21:58:47] <webPragmatist> http://pastebin.com/d6134eae4
[21:59:13] * byspeed steals the substance and start eating it in the hope his server will get right
[21:59:13] <webPragmatist> that's the log.. i have it going to two places (a gmail account) and it is sending it to a local address which it shouldnt
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[22:00:28] <webPragmatist> or something..... i'm kind of confused as to what the problem is
[22:01:48] <cruxeternus> Have you verified that you can send an e-mail to that account with the same headers without using your postfix?
[22:01:53] <cruxeternus> i.e. using some other SMTP server?
[22:02:41] <mwalling> webPragmatist: as ami
[22:03:28] <webPragmatist> ok soooo
[22:03:34] <webPragmatist> no i haven
[22:03:36] <webPragmatist> t
[22:03:44] <webPragmatist> i installed postfix (i guess replacing exim which is default)
[22:06:17] <obscurant> postfix has stopped working after reboot, connection is timing out at Rcpt To: command when testing via telnet
[22:06:51] <Dominian> logs
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[22:15:34] <obscurant> proxy service error...logs and conf at http://pastebin.com/d5edb660b
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[22:23:49] <byspeed___> Ops, got disconnected
[22:23:51] <byspeed___> :/
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[22:39:14] <webPragmatist> mwalling: based on that log can you explain to me why it's bouncing the email to info ?
[22:39:37] <webPragmatist> i'm trying to understand to fix it but I can't seem to...  http://pastebin.com/d6134eae4
[22:40:02] <webPragmatist> is it trying to "send" the email to itself? (local)
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[22:40:45] <webPragmatist> or cruxeternus ?
[22:41:38] <webPragmatist> this server is only for outgoing mail (through like scripts)
[22:42:00] <lunaphyte_> postfix believes it is the final destination for recepient.com but does not know of any user named info.
[22:43:53] <webPragmatist> lunaphyte_: in addition to this log i get an email from my exchange server saying that there is no such user (but I am assuming it is talking about the "from" field)
[22:44:50] <webPragmatist> so is it bouncing it back to the user trying to send it?
[22:45:28] <webPragmatist> wait hrm... i really dont understand the reasoning behind getting anything from my exchange server :\
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[22:46:23] <lunaphyte_> you are submitting mail to postfix for delivery, from a web form, right?
[22:47:50] <webPragmatist> yes
[22:47:57] <webPragmatist> locally
[22:48:31] <lunaphyte_> using sendmail(1) or smtp?
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[22:50:27] <webPragmatist> sendmail
[22:51:05] <lunaphyte_> should postfix be the final destination for info at recepient dot com?
[22:52:59] <webPragmatist> meaning should it be accepting the email and storing it?
[22:53:16] <lunaphyte_> yes.
[22:53:59] <lunaphyte_> actually, a better question is probably: what should postfix be doing with mail delivered to info at recepient dot com and info at otherrecepient dot com?
[22:54:19] <webPragmatist> sending it on it's merry way
[22:54:34] <webPragmatist> not accepting it no matter what really (unless maybe it is specifically sent to localhost)
[22:55:18] <lunaphyte_> show postconf -n
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[22:57:33] <dragonheart> obscurant: looks like your email filter on 127.0.0.1:10025 isn't listening/running
[22:58:29] <webPragmatist> lunaphyte_: one sec sorry got distracted
[22:58:45] <webPragmatist> http://pastebin.com/m641086e
[23:00:43] <obscurant> dragonheart: thanks, trying to find what has changed there.
[23:01:16] <webPragmatist> lunaphyte_: I've also tried: http://pastebin.com/d51e0c966
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[23:07:42] <webPragmatist> ok nm lol
[23:07:45] <webPragmatist> i understand this now :)
[23:07:50] <webPragmatist> destination needs to be localhost only
[23:08:00] <webPragmatist> someone slap me :)
[23:09:16] * Dominian slaps webPragmatist
[23:10:23] <obscurant> dragonheart: resolved thanks - dk_filter wasn't started
[23:10:31] <SniZ> hi, i have postfix+mysql_dovecot, and i try use quotas for virtual users, it all work , but quotas doesbt work :(. i can send any mail with any size, :(
[23:10:37] <SniZ> can somebody help me?
[23:11:11] <Dominian> quota means mailbox quota.. not size of the file they can send..
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[23:12:51] <SniZ> Dominian, yes, i know, i set in mysql table quota for user (for example 1mb) and try send to user - mail recieved, i send another - it same recieved
[23:13:00] <SniZ> i mead 0 qoutas dont work
[23:13:44] <SniZ> i send mails about 2 megs, and mailboxdif of user is about 10 megs at this moment :)
[23:14:50] <dragonheart> obscurant: good - are you doing to move to dkim soon?
[23:17:24] <SniZ> http://rafb.net/p/xI6Lby52.html
[23:17:30] <SniZ> whis is my configs
[23:17:58] <obscurant> dragonheart: i haven't looked into dkim, dkimproxy port on freebsd?
[23:18:43] <dragonheart> thats one option
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[23:20:20] <dragonheart> obscurant: or http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/mail/dkim-milter/
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[23:24:16] <obscurant> dragonheart: thanks, i'll look into that
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[23:28:18] <SniZ> Dominian, you r there>
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[23:39:53] <SniZ> can anybody help me?
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[23:52:46] <webPragmatist> does $mydomain get the domain from the actual hostname?
[23:53:03] <SniZ> no
[23:53:21] <SniZ> $myhostname+$mydomain
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[23:54:49] <webPragmatist> no
[23:55:01] <webPragmatist> what i'm asking is is derived from the linux hostname
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