May 23, 2008 
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May 23, 2008 [00:00:04] <GasBill> cite, now to do some studying.[00:00:12] <cite> GasBill: have fun[00:00:19] <myrick> ok .. I'll go for sleep now, thank you devdas ..[00:00:23] <GasBill> cite, u 2[00:00:36] <myrick> Am i allowed to write you later ? in 10 hours ?[00:01:08] *** datruth__ has joined #postfix[00:01:09] <devdas> If f3ew is active, yes[00:01:34] *** sirus has quit IRC[00:02:17] *** myrick has quit IRC[00:02:42] <DanielX> devdas, root[etc]# newaliases[00:02:42] <DanielX> postalias: fatal: open /etc/aliases: No such file or directory[00:04:31] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[00:10:28] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix[00:10:36] *** growltiger has quit IRC[00:17:13] <timelost> is there any reason i'd want to use Maildir or mbox format? does it really matter?[00:18:29] <Motoko-chan> Depends on what you are looking at.[00:18:41] <Motoko-chan> Maildir is nice on NFS especially.[00:18:50] <Motoko-chan> Each message is its own file.[00:18:56] <Motoko-chan> So, not too many locking worries.[00:19:10] <Motoko-chan> mbox has a single file for all mail.[00:19:34] <timelost> i'm just hosting a few small sites one one machine with a single i.p., pretty simple setup[00:19:47] <timelost> Motoko-chan: does mbox have a different file for each user?[00:19:51] <Motoko-chan> Yes.[00:20:09] <Motoko-chan> One file per user for all mail.[00:20:20] <Motoko-chan> If you'll be supporting imap and/or pop3, use maildir.[00:20:23] <Motoko-chan> It's easier to manage.[00:20:42] <Motoko-chan> At least, I find it so.[00:20:53] <Motoko-chan> Dovecot is a great pop3/imap server.[00:21:01] <Motoko-chan> Mostly imap. pop3 isn't as fully developed.[00:21:03] <timelost> with Maildir, do i need to have an actual unix user account for each email address?[00:21:16] <Motoko-chan> No, you can do virtual users[00:21:43] <Motoko-chan> http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo[00:21:49] <timelost> aah[00:22:00] <Motoko-chan> Take a look at the "Virtual Users" sections.[00:22:08] <Motoko-chan> Most people will want the SQL one.[00:22:34] <wladek> how do i check if a domain's mx records have been propagated?[00:22:37] <Motoko-chan> http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/DovecotLDAPostfixAdminMySQL <-- Bit outdated on the PostfixAdmin side, but good guide[00:22:52] <Motoko-chan> wladek, do an mx against some various external sources.[00:23:08] <Motoko-chan> 4.2.2.4 is a good option. Operated by Level 3 for Verizon customers.[00:23:10] <Motoko-chan> Public access.[00:23:23] <timelost> thanks Motoko-chan this'll probably answer several questions i had :)[00:24:21] <wladek> can 'dig' show me mx records?[00:24:26] <Motoko-chan> Yes[00:24:37] <Motoko-chan> dig mx DOMAIN @SERVERTOCHECKAGAINST[00:25:01] <wladek> cool[00:25:24] <Motoko-chan> dig is a nice tool.[00:25:31] <Motoko-chan> Great for doing testing of things[00:25:44] <wladek> sure is[00:25:46] <wladek> brb[00:25:50] *** wladek has quit IRC[00:28:04] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[00:28:27] *** Zblakany_ has joined #postfix[00:30:34] *** devdas has quit IRC[00:33:35] *** EasilyOdd has quit IRC[00:33:46] *** hever has quit IRC[00:36:24] *** EasilyOdd has joined #postfix[00:40:55] *** growltiger has joined #postfix[00:45:45] *** tshine has quit IRC[00:49:31] *** jpalmer has joined #postfix[00:50:01] *** lenscape_ has quit IRC[00:54:47] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[01:00:40] *** Severed_Head_Of_ has quit IRC[01:01:02] 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joined #postfix[04:53:05] *** Zeit|awy_ has joined #postfix[04:53:46] *** killerchicken_ has quit IRC[04:58:16] *** mirrorcolor has quit IRC[04:59:06] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[05:02:33] *** crumberly has joined #postfix[05:04:12] <crumberly> I've got postfix running, receiving email just fine, but can't get it ot email out.[05:04:26] <crumberly> Anyone have any ideas?[05:04:44] <seekwill> What does the log say?[05:04:45] <Internat> u running postfix at a home site?[05:05:05] <Internat> by home site, i mean personal/non business interwebs connection[05:05:45] <crumberly> I don't know how to read the log, I have it running on my own linux (centos 5) at home.[05:06:43] <crumberly> I am going through a linksis router.[05:07:02] <seekwill> Who are you sending int to?[05:07:09] <seekwill> Reading logs is a very important skill..[05:07:16] <crumberly> Email is coming into it,[05:07:25] <seekwill> Who are you sending the mail to?[05:07:28] <seekwill> @....?[05:07:55] *** stickystyle has quit IRC[05:08:05] <crumberly> <myname> at yahoo dot com[05:08:22] <seekwill> heh[05:08:25] <crumberly> and also from <myname> at yahoo dot com[05:08:31] <seekwill> try a different provider[05:08:46] <seekwill> yahoo likes to transfail people[05:08:50] <seekwill> if you read your logs, you'd know[05:08:57] <seekwill> i think gmail is better[05:09:38] <crumberly> I have tried mail to and from <myname> at hotmail dot com, It goes to my home just fine, but not to hotmail.[05:10:50] <crumberly> how do I get a gmail account?[05:11:04] <seekwill> you have to get an invite[05:11:13] <seekwill> or sign up on their website[05:12:15] <Dominian> They finally opened that up eh?[05:12:23] <Dominian> I think I have like 100+ invites[05:12:24] <Dominian> or had[05:13:31] *** EasilyOdd has quit IRC[05:13:32] <seekwill> yeah[05:14:17] <seekwill> crumberly: just send an email to me, will at resetbypeer dot com[05:14:18] <sahil> um, invites are not necessary.[05:14:33] <seekwill> *gasp* oh noes, i showed people on irc my real domain name![05:14:42] <seekwill> i need to stop drinking[05:15:33] <crumberly> I just sent you a email will[05:15:48] <seekwill> heh[05:15:55] <seekwill> yeah, uh, it didnt get here[05:16:06] <seekwill> check your logs[05:16:18] <seekwill> the last few entries will be pretty good[05:16:26] <crumberly> It says it went out just fine, how do I check my logs?[05:16:41] <seekwill> /var/log/maillog[05:21:20] <crumberly> seekwill can I past the last couple of entries to you?[05:21:29] <seekwill> hmm[05:21:40] <seekwill> youre better off pasting it for others[05:22:02] <crumberly> May 22 20:18:42 sixthstreet postfix/smtp[15799]: 7FFA06628382: to=<pfristoe at sixthstreet dot barterhouse.net>, relay=mail.barterhouse.net[216.224.245.130]:25, delay=0.07, delays=0.01/0/0.06/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for barterhouse.net loops back to myself)[05:22:02] <crumberly> May 22 20:18:42 sixthstreet postfix/smtpd[15796]: disconnect from unknown[192.168.1.1][05:22:02] <crumberly> May 22 20:18:42 sixthstreet postfix/qmgr[15413]: 7FFA06628382: removed[05:23:20] <sahil> crumberly: google that loops back to myself + postfix.[05:23:23] <sahil> it's a FAQ.[05:23:50] <crumberly> What do you mean?[05:24:38] <sahil> crumberly: ok, let's try it this way. do you have virtual domains?[05:25:04] <crumberly> I don't know.[05:25:21] <sahil> what? either you do, because you set them up, or you don't, because you didn't.[05:26:35] <crumberly> I have regestered for a domain (barterhouse.net) and set it up with free DNS so that you can search for it.[05:26:53] <crumberly> and brows to my website.[05:27:38] <crumberly> If you email to me at pfristoe at barterhouse dot net it works...[05:28:13] <crumberly> but I don't know how to get my email to go out...[05:31:34] <crumberly> Forgive me for not knowing, I'm new at this stuff, just trying to get it all set up.[05:32:00] <sahil> a basic understanding of UNIX is a pre-requisite for running postfix.[05:32:04] <sahil> no need to apologize.[05:34:57] <crumberly> I have two computers here running side by side, my linux, that I'm trying to get the mail to run on, and a Windodws maching that I can use for browsing and looking up stuff while I edit the config files on the linux machine. I'm just running out of things to try.[05:36:41] <crumberly> I've tryed everything on the postfix site, and other sites too. I just thought someone here might be able to point me in the right direction...[05:38:31] <Dominian> !loop[05:38:31] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "loop" is not a valid command.[05:38:33] <Dominian> grrr[05:38:42] <Dominian> !faq[05:38:43] <knoba> Dominian: "faq" : Your question is probably answered in the Postfix FAQ page at http://www.postfix.org/faq.html - have you looked there?[05:38:52] <sahil> if you just google for your loop error, or read the virtual_readme as suggested earlier, you would have a lot of hints.[05:39:53] <crumberly> I'll keep trying, Thanks for the advice...[05:40:49] <sahil> np. good luck.[05:45:00] *** crumberly has quit IRC[05:57:47] <SomethingISODD> Hello i am trying to hookup spamassassin to my postfix setup and i keep getting an error in my logs. can someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/d26e3d55e please[05:59:23] <sahil> where did you come up with spamfilter:dummy?[06:06:55] <SomethingISODD> it was from a tutorial i was reading[06:07:06] <SomethingISODD> i tried to drop the dummy part and its still giving the same error[06:08:19] *** zonzon has joined #postfix[06:15:00] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[06:20:15] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[06:20:42] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[06:29:40] *** Ratatuille has joined #postfix[06:31:25] <Ratatuille> help[06:31:36] <Ratatuille> my reject_unauth_domains restriction seems to no work as I want[06:31:41] <Ratatuille> using debug I realize this:[06:31:47] <Ratatuille> reject_unauth_destination: renet at insys-corp dot com.mx[06:32:03] <Ratatuille> it compares full user@domain not only domain[06:32:19] <Ratatuille> I've define relaydomains variable to my domain but it does not work, any idea?[06:39:03] *** pingouin_ has quit IRC[06:39:49] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[06:39:54] *** pingouin_ has joined #postfix[06:47:23] *** pingouin_ has quit IRC[06:47:44] *** pingouin_ has joined #postfix[06:53:31] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[07:04:02] *** hparker has quit IRC[07:29:40] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[07:31:57] *** tonyyarusso has joined #postfix[07:31:58] *** mehulved has joined #postfix[07:32:43] *** madrescher has quit IRC[07:32:44] *** madrescher1 has joined #postfix[07:47:19] *** mirrorcolor has joined #postfix[07:59:34] *** fabounio has quit IRC[08:07:16] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[08:10:24] *** liri has joined #postfix[08:11:46] *** phnord has joined #postfix[08:12:07] *** madrescher1 has quit IRC[08:23:20] *** Ratatuille has left #postfix[08:23:52] <liri> when enabling postfix (sasl) auth to allow users to send emails world-wide, what db does postfix authenticate against?[08:26:02] *** sepski has joined #postfix[08:29:21] *** syneus has joined #postfix[08:31:32] *** stony__ has joined #postfix[08:37:00] *** fabounio has quit IRC[08:37:31] *** pa has joined #postfix[08:40:45] <sysmonk> liri: sasl. it's up to your sasl configuration[08:43:10] <liri> ahh k[08:43:29] <liri> yep I see that in sasl2/smtpd.conf[08:43:30] <liri> thanks[08:43:31] *** stony_ has quit IRC[08:47:02] *** Sypher has quit IRC[08:48:48] *** Filbert has quit IRC[08:50:51] *** wdp__ has quit IRC[08:51:53] *** Filbert has joined #postfix[08:59:13] *** pingouin_ has quit IRC[08:59:20] *** pingouin_ has joined #postfix[09:10:01] *** bhagat has quit IRC[09:11:26] *** kk_CHN has joined #postfix[09:11:46] *** mudd`Hossam has quit IRC[09:13:55] *** mvt has joined #postfix[09:15:40] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[09:17:48] *** Severed_Head_Of_ has quit IRC[09:21:02] *** Zelest has joined #postfix[09:27:40] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix[09:42:32] *** mvt has quit IRC[09:44:54] *** zonzon has quit IRC[09:46:07] *** amrit|afk is now known as amrit|zzz[09:53:33] *** suuuper has joined #postfix[09:53:36] *** Comete has joined #postfix[09:53:39] <Comete> hi[09:58:38] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[10:10:31] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[10:11:40] *** skar has joined #postfix[10:12:16] <skar> hi, my postfix ehlo response doesn't contain xforward, i've got 2.4.6, how do i enable it in main.cf or master.cf?[10:15:51] <war9407> master.cf[10:15:56] <war9407> read the manual / docs online[10:16:00] <war9407> it tells you how[10:22:08] *** havvg has joined #postfix[10:26:29] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[10:29:37] *** alex_ has quit IRC[10:29:43] *** alex12 has joined #postfix[10:30:50] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[10:30:54] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[10:33:40] *** c00l2sv has joined #postfix[10:37:55] *** elshaa has joined #postfix[10:37:56] <elshaa> hi[10:38:52] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[10:40:08] <elshaa> Small question : Is it possible to get postfix to reply 450 in case my ldap (where it looks for users) is down, and error 550 is case the ldap returns a user doesn't exist ? (Seems it replies 450 every time)[10:42:36] <f3ew> elshaa, that's already the case[10:43:20] <f3ew> /usr/sbin/postconf | grep 550[10:43:27] <f3ew> /usr/sbin/postconf | grep 450[10:43:59] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC[10:45:19] *** robboplus_ has joined #postfix[10:47:50] <elshaa> f3ew: maybe in the default postfix conf file, but I'm dealing with a file I didn't modify myself...[10:48:15] <elshaa> I have no setting with value=550[10:48:24] <elshaa> only[10:48:25] <elshaa> unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 450[10:48:25] <elshaa> unknown_virtual_mailbox_reject_code = 450[10:49:06] <elshaa> so changing both params to 550 would make me half happy.[10:49:25] <elshaa> but what is the setting to return 450 in case ldap server is not reachable ?[10:50:22] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:53:14] <f3ew> elshaa that will always happen[10:55:23] <elshaa> f3ew: Ho, cool. Thank you![11:00:35] *** robboplus has quit IRC[11:03:36] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix[11:09:26] *** overrider has joined #postfix[11:11:19] <overrider> hi. i have a mailserver that provides imap and pop to clients. for redundancy reasons, i would like to create an EXACT copy of the system, and keep it completely in sync, as so when one thing goes down, i can tell people to point to the other one (or point myself), and everything will be the same, including things like unread counts for mailboxes etc. is this possible?[11:15:31] <_bt> anyone getting spam "bounced" back to them as an NDN, but the original sender wasn't even your address?[11:16:57] <sysmonk> _bt: that's called backscatter[11:17:32] <_bt> sysmonk: i think i understand backscatter, but whats it got to do with my email address?[11:18:13] <sysmonk> _bt: spammers send emails with your from, and badly configured servers bounce the spam to the 'sender' ( you )[11:18:46] <_bt> sysmonk: ok i get that, but i am not listed anywhere as the original sender[11:19:59] <sysmonk> _bt: your mail can be specified as dsn reply-to addie[11:21:55] *** hever has joined #postfix[11:24:03] <sysmonk> _bt: if it's not in the headers, it doesn't mean that your address wasn't in the from[11:24:43] <sysmonk> there's a difference between the envelope from and ... from[11:26:02] <_bt> sysmonk: ok thanks, nothing for me to worry about then[11:26:50] <sysmonk> it's nothing unusual[11:28:31] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC[11:32:12] *** Draecos has joined #postfix[11:35:34] *** myrick has joined #postfix[11:37:05] <myrick> Hi @ all & devdas ... Maybe somebody can help me .. If i start my Apple Mail i get all the Mails, but if i hold the connection and only press Receive Button, nothing happens .. Only by a Quit per Apple Mail and start again, I'll get the mails .... the mail.log says: http://rafb.net/p/4WZmSY95.html[11:37:13] <myrick> I would be so glad if someone could help me =( ?[11:38:11] <myrick> Ok .. sometimes I'll get a Email through Apple Mail after Seconds .. maybe there is something like an idle time .. or something .. =( ?[11:38:58] *** bhagat has quit IRC[11:40:26] *** hing has joined #postfix[11:40:30] *** Sypher has joined #postfix[11:40:52] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix[11:41:33] *** higuita has quit IRC[11:43:45] <Davx> can u set up postfix smtp auth through webmin?[11:44:36] *** robboplus_ has quit IRC[11:47:24] *** kazer_ is now known as KaZeR[11:48:35] *** bancus_ has joined #postfix[11:49:34] *** bancus has quit IRC[11:57:18] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[11:58:04] *** overrider has quit IRC[11:58:36] <myrick> erm no through openmailadmin davx[11:58:54] <myrick> smtp auth = Plain Text Login[11:59:01] <myrick> or saslauthd .. I'm not sure.[11:59:22] <myrick> It's working .. but only if i close and connect again to a Session, sometimes it's working till the Session.[12:04:17] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[12:04:50] *** xpoint has quit IRC[12:20:58] <Zeit|awy_> anyone has an idea? It happens sometimes, mostly with SPAM, but well.. it's a strange error. postfix 2.38/Debian etch - http://www.pastebin.org/37959[12:21:42] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[12:23:35] *** killerchicken_ has joined #postfix[12:24:05] *** _nalle has quit IRC[12:24:09] *** _nalle has joined #postfix[12:29:13] *** cpm has joined #postfix[12:33:51] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:40:26] *** killerchicken__ has quit IRC[12:48:54] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[12:52:57] *** gnot has joined #postfix[12:53:07] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[12:58:37] *** Ramattack has joined #postfix[13:00:22] <myrick> I know all of you are busy .. but maybe somebody can help me .. http://rafb.net/p/4WZmSY95.html ... Strange, I only can receive Emails if i Quit and Start my Apple Mail .. through the session i don't get the Emails .... I think it's something with 0 Workers .., I would be so glad, pls help me ![13:03:39] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[13:04:04] *** amimusa has joined #postfix[13:04:21] <amimusa> Hello all dear people[13:05:22] <amimusa> I need to configure my server to send mails only to a specific mail address, even if apparently mails are sent to differente recipients. this is because this server is only for testing porpouses and any mail can be send to other people[13:05:42] <amimusa> I wonder if i can do this in the postfix server side instead to verify all the scripts[13:05:47] <amimusa> anybody has an idea ?¿[13:06:00] <amimusa> do i express myself understable ?[13:07:10] *** Ramattack has joined #postfix[13:07:13] <Ramattack> Hi!![13:07:24] <Ramattack> I have been googling some time and looking at some rfc...[13:08:36] *** myrick has quit IRC[13:08:48] <Ramattack> I'm planning to implemente a mail scanning machine with postfix that relay's mail to it's destination, and don't if in DNS to set as primary mx the mail scanning machine and later as backup mx the real destination machine, or just to put as primary mx the postfix scanning machine and just it...[13:08:55] *** myrick has joined #postfix[13:09:28] <Ramattack> I say this because for example I'm gonna use verify and don't want if I return a 550 user unknown the remote server to go to the backup mx and ask again for it...[13:09:46] <Ramattack> I mean the 550 user unknown in postfix scanning machine and primary mx[13:12:15] <Davx> right ive been trying (and failing) to set up my CentOS server to sendmail via smtp with auth (the smtp server is on a different machine) ive used postfix/sendmail - just the auth i really need some direction in[13:12:28] <Davx> STARTTLS or SASLAUTH or Cyrus :S[13:12:51] *** tm-30740-exa has joined #postfix[13:13:00] <sysmonk> Davx: you do understand that those 3 things are different stuff and used for different purposes ?[13:13:07] <Ramattack> sysmonk, is here!!! :) could you know something about it as postfix master :) :)[13:13:27] <sysmonk> starttls is ssl, saslauth - for authentication, cyrus - imap/pop3/lmtp server[13:14:27] <sysmonk> Ramattack: i've read your sentence twice, and didn't understand it[13:14:28] *** robboplus_ has joined #postfix[13:16:19] <Davx> sysmonk nope[13:16:28] <Ramattack> I'm gonna setup a postfix mail scanning macine[13:16:35] <Davx> im very new to linux but finding it easy apart from sendmail[13:16:52] <sysmonk> Ramattack: mail scaning machine? you mean antispam?[13:17:07] <Ramattack> if I set the scanning machine as primary mx, if I give from this machine a 4xx or 5xx from the backup mx machines will be probed?[13:17:19] <Davx> sysmonk i can do all the research i need, i just need to know which line to go down[13:17:31] <Ramattack> imagine I say in primary 450 user unknown (with verify daemon)[13:17:40] <Ramattack> will the backup mx be queried?[13:17:44] <Davx> i only want to use the server to sendmail via a authed smtp (a form on webserver needs this feature)[13:18:21] <Davx> so i need to be looking for saslauth[13:18:24] <Davx> right[13:18:25] <Davx> ?[13:19:02] <sysmonk> Davx:[13:19:03] <sysmonk> !sasl[13:19:04] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[13:19:06] <sysmonk> Davx: ^^[13:19:07] *** sepski has quit IRC[13:19:23] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[13:19:28] <sysmonk> Ramattack: no, it won't be[13:19:56] <sysmonk> Ramattack: if the machine would be down - then yes, but it's not down[13:20:30] <Ramattack> so just will be tried to deliver to backup mx if the primary machine doesn't answer in the specified time for timeout just that?[13:20:45] <sysmonk> Ramattack: yes[13:21:52] <Davx> sysmonk ty[13:23:51] <Ramattack> sysmonk, thanks a lot mate :) I hope the next week to open my quota rejection postfix policy (postfix-qreject) :)[13:24:06] <cite> ANyone here runinng dccifd as greylister (on body hash values) in a pre-queue setup? I'm interested in first hand experiences on ressource consumation.[13:24:17] <cite> consumption, even[13:27:10] <myrick> does anyone know what this means: service imap now has 0 ready workers[13:28:55] <cpm> myrick, nothing to do with postfix, of that I'm quite sure.[13:29:47] <myrick> mh cpm because i can't receive emails till i quit my mail program and restart it again[13:30:13] <Comete> how can i reject unknown mails from internet with "FROM" addresses of my domain ?[13:31:05] <Comete> i often receive mails FROM: johndoe@mydomain TO: johndoe@mydomain[13:31:18] <Comete> which are spams[13:32:32] <cite> myrick: You either didn't tell Apple Mail to use the IDLE command, your server doesn't support the IDLE command or you need to lower the frequency at which Apple Mail polls your mailbox (or increase timeout values)[13:33:42] <cite> Comete: Use a check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/mydomain restriction in smtpd_recipient_restrictions, in that file write something like mydomain.com REJECT mydomain.com? But you are not in mynetworks![13:33:57] <myrick> yeah cite ..[13:34:00] <myrick> i think it was IDLE[13:34:18] <myrick> can i add this to my cyrus / postfix configuration ?[13:34:53] <cite> Postfix has nothing to do with IDLE, I don't know anything about Cyrus, and using IDLE is a preference setting in Apple Mail itself.[13:35:47] <myrick> but you was right it was really idle =)[13:35:48] <cite> And get your girlfriend/wife to use gmail or something as long as your own mailserver isn't working properly ;)[13:36:10] <Comete> cite: my outgoing mails won't be blocked ?[13:36:30] <cite> Comete: Add that restriction _after_ permit_sasl_authenticated/permit_mynetworks[13:36:36] <myrick> ok cite .. the last thing: is this important ? WARNING: sieve script /var/spool/sieve/s/schatz/defaultbc doesn't exist: No such file or directory[13:36:47] <myrick> I'm so glad, thank you ...[13:37:12] <cite> myrick: You didn't set up a sieve script for your schatzi. No harm done there.[13:37:57] <Comete> cite: ok thanks ![13:38:02] <myrick> so it isn't necessary or cite ?[13:39:26] <cite> myrick: It means that your IMAp server won't do any filtering for that user. Therefore the text "WARNING", as opposed to, say, "ERROR".[13:40:32] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[13:47:29] *** eight_ has quit IRC[13:48:28] *** Tex-Twil_ has joined #postfix[13:53:53] *** zuez has quit IRC[13:53:58] <Comete> cite: could you explain me why i have to put this in smtpd_recipient_restrictions and not in smtpd_sender_restrictions instead ?[13:55:04] <cite> Comete: Short answer: It is good pratcie to put all such restrictions in one place. Long answer can be found by reading the manual and searching for "smtpd_delay_reject".[13:55:33] <cite> I mean "best practice" ;)[14:01:01] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:02:15] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC[14:06:49] *** kk_CHN has quit IRC[14:18:23] *** Tex-Twil_ has quit IRC[14:23:18] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[14:24:11] <Ramattack> should go now mates[14:24:23] <Ramattack> thanks a lot mates :) go fatly[14:24:31] <Ramattack> go fastly[14:24:33] <Ramattack> sorry :)[14:24:40] <Ramattack> see u!!![14:26:53] * cpm liked fatly[14:27:14] <Ramattack> ;p[14:27:19] *** Ramattack has quit IRC[14:31:58] *** pkhamre has quit IRC[14:37:34] *** Draecos has quit IRC[14:40:39] <Davx> how do you enable logging so u can see auth etc[14:40:42] <Davx> !log[14:40:43] <knoba> Davx: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.[14:41:30] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[14:41:32] <Davx> like loglevel[14:49:43] <rob0> I never saw a message like that from knoba.[14:50:03] <mwalling> log is a supybot command[14:50:08] <rob0> ah[14:50:42] <Davx> is there a way i can see whats happening with smtp auth when i try to sendmail[14:50:54] <Davx> Status:bounced Said: 550[14:51:24] <rob0> First thing is to see what the NON-verbose logs say.[14:51:53] <Davx> sorry to be such a newb but how do i go about that - sendmail without -v?[14:52:35] <rob0> !logs[14:52:36] <knoba> rob0: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.[14:52:46] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[14:53:14] <rob0> Logging is enabled. In fact you cannot turn it off, not that I know of.[14:54:37] <sysmonk> oh sure you can. just extract the sources and change a few files :P[14:54:59] <cite> consumption, even[14:55:03] <mwalling> mail.* -/dev/null[14:55:22] <sysmonk> mwalling: that, again, isn't a solution[14:55:23] <cite> ANyone here runinng dccifd as greylister (on body hash values) in a pre-queue setup? I'm interested in first hand experiences on ressource consumption.[14:55:31] <rob0> or "cd /dev ; rm log ; ln -sv null log"[14:55:49] <sysmonk> (postconf syslog_facility=notmail)[14:55:50] <Davx> rob0 whats that for[14:55:53] <sysmonk> err, postconf -e[14:56:07] <sysmonk> rob0: oh, that's better :P[14:59:09] *** Siegfried has joined #postfix[15:00:08] <Davx> im looking but i dont know what or where im looking[15:00:29] <Davx> with sendmail it was slightly easier to see whats happening ie 250 auth etc[15:02:45] <myrick> Hi guys .. :) Somebody know if this is an important message: pam_limits[26786]: setrlimit limit #6 to soft=-1, hard=-1 failed: Operation not permitted; uid=0 euid=0[15:03:15] *** muecke77 has left #postfix[15:04:41] *** DTEIT has joined #postfix[15:04:44] <DTEIT> hi all[15:04:59] <DTEIT> i have one doubt[15:05:11] <DTEIT> in my main.cf i set myhostname[15:05:25] <DTEIT> but when i do postconf -d[15:05:32] <DTEIT> i get another hostname[15:05:41] <DTEIT> everything works well[15:05:48] <rob0> "man postconf" should explain that easily.[15:05:49] <myrick> a[15:05:50] <DTEIT> but why this two results?[15:06:01] <myrick> /etc/init.d/postfix reload / restart[15:06:30] <rob0> myrick, looks like a SELinux or AppArmor thing, I've never seen it personally.[15:07:02] <myrick> ok thanks rob0 ... is this necessary ?[15:07:16] <DTEIT> myrick: are you saing to me?[15:07:26] <cite> DTEIT: "-d" is giving you "default" values, not the ones it actually uses.[15:07:34] <myrick> DTEIT[15:08:02] <myrick> cite, maybe you know: ( this necessary ? ) pam_limits[26786]: setrlimit limit #6 to soft=-1, hard=-1 failed: Operation not permitted; uid=0 euid=0[15:08:07] *** padde has quit IRC[15:08:52] <cite> myrick: looks like a SELinux or AppArmor thing, I've never seen it personally.[15:09:06] <DTEIT> myrick: i don't know...never saw that error...it looks like you cannot set limits[15:09:27] <rob0> haha[15:10:00] <Comete> cite: thanks a lot ! it works like a charm :)[15:10:39] <DTEIT> cite: ok...with -n i get no domain setting, so i think it should you the default one[15:10:51] <DTEIT> s/you/use[15:11:10] <cite> rob0: Do you think we should teach that knoba bot something like "!test" which expands to "After making changes, be sure to test your mail system before setting soft_bounce=no again"?[15:11:49] <cite> DTEIT: The actual value you use is printed with "postconf myhostname". If you have more than one instance of postfix, you can use -c to specify a config directory.[15:12:17] <rob0> That is something I do often advise, but I'm not sure I'd remember the factoid name. :)[15:12:23] <rob0> !soft_bounce[15:12:24] <knoba> rob0: "soft_bounce" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Safety net to keep mail queued that would otherwise be returned to the sender. This parameter disables locally-generated bounces, and prevents the Postfix SMTP server from rejecting mail permanently, by changing 5xx reply codes into 4xx. However, soft_bounce is no cure for address rewriting mistakes or mail routing mistakes.[15:21:41] *** a_ok has quit IRC[15:23:29] <Davx> eugh[15:23:53] <Davx> SASL uthentication failure: can only find author (no password) any ideas?>[15:24:39] *** McJerry has quit IRC[15:26:17] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[15:32:42] *** a_ok has joined #postfix[15:33:38] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[15:39:27] *** Samonoske has quit IRC[15:39:41] *** fabounio has quit IRC[15:39:48] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[15:44:45] *** skar has quit IRC[15:57:12] *** seekwill has quit IRC[16:00:16] *** Comete has quit IRC[16:01:24] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[16:11:47] *** donspaulding has quit IRC[16:21:06] *** amimusa has quit IRC[16:24:14] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[16:25:19] *** yajith has joined #postfix[16:25:35] *** yajith has left #postfix[16:26:09] <GasBill> What might cause my virtusertable to be ignored (virtual_maps=...)? How can I trace?[16:26:31] <Dominian> logs[16:26:48] *** havvg has quit IRC[16:27:30] <GasBill> Dominian, is that comment for me?[16:27:44] <Dominian> yeah[16:28:02] <GasBill> thank you, that's very helpful.[16:28:44] <Dominian> Well, what do you want me to do?[16:28:51] <Dominian> Need logs to troubleshoot.[16:31:41] *** jmazaredo___ has quit IRC[16:32:27] <GasBill> Dominian, May 23 10:32:02 abode postfix/pipe[1741]: EB6A768342: to=<superman at hamster dot from.net>, relay=cyrus, delay=462, delays=462/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=4.6.0, status=SOFTBOUNCE (data format error. Command output: superman: Mailbox does not exist )[16:34:24] <GasBill> Dominian, was that log entry what you needed?[16:37:00] *** Aw0L has joined #postfix[16:37:22] <GasBill> ...that's what I figured.[16:38:49] <Davx> < is king of postfix[16:38:56] <Davx> sucessfully locked up mail server[16:39:02] <Davx> spammed telnet to death[16:39:18] <Davx> all problems fixed now[16:40:52] *** KaZeR has quit IRC[16:41:46] *** jmazaredo___ has joined #postfix[16:41:47] *** Tex-Twil has joined #postfix[16:43:23] *** pa has quit IRC[16:50:29] *** stickystyle has joined #postfix[16:50:44] <rob0> !virtual_maps[16:50:45] <knoba> rob0: Error: "virtual_maps" is not a valid command.[16:51:24] <Dominian> GasBill: Sorry.. I'm at work[16:51:33] <Dominian> GasBill: So... being in here all the tiem is a bit difficult.[16:51:44] *** myrick has quit IRC[16:51:54] <GasBill> Dominian, no problem[16:51:58] <Dominian> GasBill: and yes.. that's what I wanted.. and what rob0 posted is what you would wanna read[16:53:17] <rob0> !learn virtual_maps as There ARE no virtual_maps in Postfix since 2.0. If you're using virtual_maps, you're probably following old, outdated information. See !virtual_alias_maps and !virtual_alias_domains for the replacements.[16:53:49] <Dominian> !virtual_maps[16:53:50] <knoba> Dominian: "virtual_maps" : There ARE no virtual_maps in Postfix since 2.0. If you're using virtual_maps, you're probably following old, outdated information. See !virtual_alias_maps and !virtual_alias_domains for the replacements.[16:54:15] <GasBill> rob0, thank u - the answer was under our noses in my first post. Very astute.[16:54:36] <GasBill> I found clues about that deprecated parameter while googling in the interim.[16:54:37] *** checkers has joined #postfix[16:54:40] *** yajith has joined #postfix[16:55:01] <GasBill> I'm not sure where it came from - I probably inserted it after reading some outdated docs...[16:55:13] <GasBill> It looks like I've got it working now.[16:55:18] <rob0> !forget virtual_maps[16:55:21] <GasBill> thanks again[16:56:12] <rob0> !learn virtual_maps as The virtual_maps postconf(5) parameter has been deprecated since Postfix 2.0. If you're using virtual_maps, you're probably following old, outdated information. See !virtual_alias_maps and !virtual_alias_domains for the replacements. See also !google.[16:56:23] <rob0> !google[16:56:24] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.[16:56:59] <GasBill> knoba, good point - google has made me lazy[16:57:10] <checkers> i'm trying to setup the dovecot LDA to deliver mail to virtual users, but it's not treating address extensions as the same email address. Is it possible to make it do so?[16:58:04] <checkers> I see this:[16:58:05] <checkers> to=<alex at bluebottle dot net.au>, relay=dovecot, delay=1.7, delays=1.7/0.03/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via dovecot service)[16:58:08] <checkers> to=<alex+foo at bluebottle dot net.au>, relay=dovecot, delay=1.7, delays=1.7/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown)[17:01:18] <checkers> ah, there's a workaround, but it's evil[17:01:50] <checkers> in the dovecot deliver arguments, specify `-n -m ${extension}[17:02:45] <checkers> well, actually I'm not sure how it works, but here's the arguments to deliver I use: ' -f ${sender} -d ${user}@${nexthop} -n -m ${extension}'[17:03:20] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[17:03:37] *** archvile has joined #postfix[17:07:14] *** j_s has joined #postfix[17:07:31] *** jmazaredo___ has quit IRC[17:07:39] *** jmazaredo___ has joined #postfix[17:10:51] <cite> blackflag: But go ahead and try.[17:14:02] *** yajith has left #postfix[17:14:52] *** Slurpee- has joined #postfix[17:14:54] *** githogori has quit IRC[17:16:51] *** Egonis_ has joined #postfix[17:17:01] *** Egonis_ has left #postfix[17:17:13] *** Egonis has joined #postfix[17:17:31] <Egonis> I am setting up a recipient_bcc, how do I bcc to multiple recipients? I am assuming comma separated, but want validation that this is correct[17:18:09] *** killerchicken_ has quit IRC[17:20:40] <checkers> set that up and see if postfix crashes :)[17:20:51] <Egonis> good idea. :P[17:21:36] <sysmonk> it's binary file seperated[17:21:47] <sysmonk> you need to seperate each entry by a HDTV quality movie[17:22:19] <sysmonk> i.e. egonis at domain dot com egonis2 at domain dot com<BINARY_FILE_GOES_HERE>egonis3@domain.com<ANOTHER_ONE_FILE_GOES_HERE>egonis4@domain.com[17:22:33] <jpalmer> Egonis: recipient_bcc is 1 entry per line seperated by a single whitespace.[17:22:49] <sysmonk> jpalmer: he asks about the right part of it[17:22:55] <jpalmer> user at here dot com user-bcc at otherdomain dot com[17:22:57] *** gnot has left #postfix[17:23:26] <jpalmer> it only takes one. if you want it to go to multiples, you need to setup multiple entries[17:24:39] <sysmonk> hm. does it?[17:25:35] <sysmonk> ah, yes[17:26:13] * sysmonk mixed that with always_bcc[17:26:47] <Egonis> how can I recipient_bcc to multiple addresses? I tried it with comma separated, but it tried to send the entire string including commas to the final address in the config[17:27:13] <jpalmer> again, to send to multiple addresses, you need multiple entries.[17:27:22] <jpalmer> joe at domain dot com joe2 at domain dot com[17:27:25] <jpalmer> joe at domain dot com joe3 at domain dot com[17:27:30] <jpalmer> joe at domain dot com joe4 at domain dot com[17:27:36] <jpalmer> etc[17:27:46] *** jonez has quit IRC[17:27:51] *** jonez has joined #postfix[17:27:59] <Egonis> jpalmer: makes sense, thank you very much[17:28:16] <rob0> sounds like a joejob[17:28:17] <jpalmer> np, don't forget to postmap that file.[17:28:32] <jpalmer> lol[17:29:09] <sysmonk> rob0: hah[17:30:23] <Egonis> jpalmer: postmap warns of multiple entries for the same address, and only delivers to the first entry, and ignores the rest[17:30:48] <jpalmer> Egonis: what version of postfix? it works here[17:31:23] <Egonis> jpalmer: 2.4.6-r2[17:31:55] <Egonis> jpalmer: should I upgrade to 2.5.1?[17:32:05] <checkers> < sysmonk> it's binary file seperated <-- can I use base64?[17:32:31] <jpalmer> I'm using 2.4.5, so thats not the problem, nless that ability was removed/broken afterwards.[17:32:34] <sysmonk> checkers: not really[17:33:00] <sysmonk> checkers: although i think you could take a few hundred patches from qmail and rewrite them for postfix[17:33:24] <checkers> that would leave me with a system capable of sinking small islands[17:33:25] *** Sypher has quit IRC[17:33:51] <sysmonk> uh, so it's worth it![17:34:03] <checkers> :)[17:34:18] * checkers goes back to setting dovecot on fire[17:34:22] <sysmonk> sorry for joking around, awful day today[17:34:29] <jpalmer> Egonis: it must just be luck that it works here. the postfix docs say multiple recipients are not supported with recipient_bcc[17:34:36] <checkers> what's wong with bincimapd anyway...[17:36:01] <Egonis> jpalmer: Boo. I wish I could do that. :P[17:36:07] <Egonis> jpalmer: Any other ideas I can use?[17:36:30] <rob0> BTW, IRC as root is a very bad idea; root should only be used for system admin tasks.[17:36:46] <sysmonk> Egonis: create an alias with lots of recipients, and send to it[17:36:54] <sysmonk> atleast that would be a workaround[17:37:07] <Egonis> sysmonk: I can't, postfixadmin won't let me, I guess I should do this manually to the MySQL tables?[17:37:20] <sysmonk> ah, postfixadmin ...[17:37:37] <sysmonk> sorry, it's been a long time since i last used postfixadmin[17:37:54] <sysmonk> rob0: irc'ing as rob0 isn't fine too :P[17:38:06] <rob0> good point[17:38:18] <Egonis> sysmonk: I will try it manually to the tables directly[17:38:18] <sysmonk> see, i'm not irc'ing as sysmonk :P[17:38:23] <sysmonk> i'm ircing as alex![17:38:37] <sysmonk> Egonis: is it a one-time job? or will you need to change it often?[17:40:39] <DTEIT> bye[17:40:42] *** DTEIT has left #postfix[17:40:47] <jpalmer> Egonis: why won't postfixadmin let you?[17:40:59] <checkers> don't IRC as root? but otherwise all my irssi perl scripts don't work![17:41:06] <checkers> s/don't/won't[17:42:18] <sysmonk> checkers: which ones?[17:42:19] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[17:42:22] *** a_ok has quit IRC[17:42:32] <jpalmer> you need to revisit your perl scripts then. if they need root, they shouldn't be used. IMO[17:42:46] *** stickystyle has quit IRC[17:42:52] <sysmonk> jpalmer: depends...[17:43:32] <jpalmer> sysmonk: there is *no* reason a perl script for an IRC client should need root. unless you've specifically written it for some odd reason.[17:43:58] <sysmonk> jpalmer: sure, i'm not talking about the standard ones[17:44:20] <sysmonk> and even those which aren't standard should probably do some kind of workaround ( suidperl? )[17:45:16] <sysmonk> maybe checkers will give out his secrets of what do those scripts do ?[17:45:20] <jpalmer> I'll just say, if I found out today that any of my admins had written a perl script to do adminny type things from their irc client, I'd be firing an admin today ;)[17:45:45] <sysmonk> heh, i fully agree with you[17:46:17] <sysmonk> maybe one exception - nagios reporting to irc[17:46:30] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[17:46:31] <sysmonk> or jabber[17:46:56] <jpalmer> you wouldn't need admin for that. set proper perms. have nagios write to a text file, perl script reads from a text file.[17:47:18] <sysmonk> jpalmer: never said i'd need root for that.[17:47:46] <jpalmer> the context of the conversation did. the scripts won't work if he's not root.[17:48:03] <sysmonk> sorry then, didn't meant it needed root[17:49:49] <checkers> < sysmonk> maybe checkers will give out his secrets of what do those scripts do ? <-- didn't I already mention destroying small islands?[17:50:26] <checkers> I mean c'mon. A small office block would probably work ok with sudo, but for anything larger you really have to start looking at a full login[17:51:43] *** Tex-Twil has quit IRC[18:02:27] *** hparker has joined #postfix[18:05:22] *** Egonis has quit IRC[18:09:46] *** syneus has quit IRC[18:10:27] <rob0> I do not avoid women, Mandrake ... but I do deny them my essence.[18:12:34] *** ouba has joined #postfix[18:12:41] <ouba> hello everybody[18:12:51] <rob0> I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.[18:13:22] <ouba> I have a congestion problem, my incoming queue is very large and is going bigger and bigger, and the active queue is full (20000 messages)[18:13:38] <ouba> The problem began 15 days ago[18:13:48] <ouba> no change on the config nor in the version[18:14:00] <ouba> perhaps we have someone who don't like us :)[18:14:14] <ouba> I need some help please ![18:15:23] <rob0> all you can get with that is a WAG[18:16:55] <mwalling> !logs[18:16:56] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.[18:16:57] <mwalling> !debug[18:16:58] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .[18:17:12] <Dominian> !mwall[18:17:12] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "mwall" is not a valid command.[18:17:13] <Dominian> !mwalling[18:17:14] <knoba> Dominian: "mwalling" : an alternative !basic factoid reciting bot for newly joined channel users[18:17:36] <mwalling> i havent hit basic, because he claims to have had a working config prior to this.[18:17:41] <mwalling> !dominian[18:17:42] <knoba> mwalling: "dominian" : A sentence-completion bot.[18:17:47] <mwalling> !forget dominian[18:17:53] <rob0> uh oh[18:17:57] <Dominian> here we go[18:18:01] <ouba> erf[18:18:04] <rob0> !Dominian[18:18:04] <knoba> rob0: Error: "Dominian" is not a valid command.[18:18:09] <Dominian> !dominian[18:18:09] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "dominian" is not a valid command.[18:18:14] <ouba> what do you need about my config ?[18:18:18] <rob0> but I bet it WILL be[18:18:35] <mwalling> !learn dominian as A bot who likes to trigger !mwalling when mwalling is not actually saying !basic[18:18:46] <rob0> uh oh[18:18:59] <Dominian> oye[18:19:01] <Dominian> !forget dominian[18:19:11] <rob0> bot battles[18:19:16] <Dominian> nope[18:19:19] <Dominian> not putting it back in[18:19:32] *** af_ has joined #postfix[18:19:43] <mwalling> !learn dominian as A bot who likes to trigger !mwalling when mwalling is not actually saying !basic[18:19:59] <ouba> I already increase the in_flow_delay[18:20:11] <mwalling> !logs[18:20:11] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.[18:20:13] <ouba> I read the url QSHAPE_README[18:20:16] <mwalling> ouba: ^^[18:20:28] <mwalling> better question is why are the mails queing up[18:20:34] <ouba> but, the example of congestion is not corresponding to what I experiment[18:20:58] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[18:21:07] <ouba> I use : amavisd / postgrey / mysql user storage / custom quota policy[18:21:18] <mwalling> !tell ouba logs[18:21:23] *** archvile has quit IRC[18:21:42] <Dominian> !forget dominian[18:22:07] <ouba> mwalling, I have 50000 active user, and 60000 mail in active queue on 3 load balanced servers[18:22:16] <ouba> and 450000 mails in incoming queue[18:22:17] <mwalling> !LOGS[18:22:17] <knoba> mwalling: "LOGS" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.[18:22:20] <mwalling> TELL US WHY[18:22:34] <ouba> why what ?[18:22:40] <ouba> i don't know why[18:22:42] <rob0> You don't sound competent to manage such a setup.[18:22:52] <ouba> thx[18:22:55] <rob0> Hire someone.[18:23:24] <ouba> we will drop the service in 3 months[18:23:39] <ouba> because we don't have the fund to keep it at a good level of performance[18:24:10] <ouba> but, waiting this date, I would like to understand a little bit why since 15 days, my incoming queue is keeping growing[18:24:21] <ouba> could someone try to help me ???[18:24:27] <mwalling> !logs[18:24:28] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.[18:24:51] <ouba> mwalling, you want a dump of my log ?[18:24:56] <ouba> it is huge ![18:25:23] <Dominian> not the whole log.. just one or two transactions witht he errors they are showing[18:25:32] <ouba> there is no error[18:25:40] <mwalling> sure there is[18:25:51] <Dominian> If you're queue is growing.. there's an error somewhere[18:26:03] <mwalling> when you take a shit and plug up the toilet, and subsiquent flushes overflow the bowl, your shit is an error[18:27:00] <Dominian> heh[18:27:11] <Dominian> that is so noobfarm'd[18:27:13] <rob0> Your WAG is that the content filter is backed up or crashed or overwhelmed.[18:27:33] <ouba> I desactivated the content filter and the greylist[18:27:39] <ouba> and it is not better[18:27:45] <ouba> the mysql server is underload[18:27:50] <mwalling> read you're fucking logs[18:27:59] <ouba> I read them since 4 hours[18:28:01] <ouba> and see nothing[18:28:02] <mwalling> oh fffs... s/you're/your/[18:28:04] <ouba> no error[18:28:11] <mwalling> then you're doing it wrong.[18:29:32] <Aw0L> is there a benefit to running postfix with a db backend (for virtual domains) vs just using virtual aliases?[18:30:21] <Dominian> Aw0L: I like using the DB back end.. makes administration a breeze[18:31:23] <Aw0L> Dominian, howso?[18:31:32] <Dominian> Aw0L: postfixadmin[18:31:33] <Dominian> that's how[18:31:41] <Aw0L> aaaah[18:31:47] <Dominian> :)[18:32:02] <rob0> The local(8) delivery agent is more featureful than virtual(8), especially for users with shell access. But you can set up your virtual_alias_* in a DB backend too.[18:32:34] <Dominian> well that's the nice thing about postfix.. you can configure multiple transports[18:32:40] <Aw0L> Dominian, thanks, I'll look into it[18:32:45] <Dominian> my default transport is virtual.. but I have a mailman and dovecot transport as well[18:32:57] <Dominian> I could even include local transport if I had email going to user accounts on my box.. which I don't[18:33:13] <Aw0L> much do I have to learn about mail still...[18:33:22] <rob0> At one time on this box, I had all 4 classes of domains. Now I have all but relay.[18:33:30] <rob0> !address_class[18:33:31] <knoba> rob0: Error: "address_class" is not a valid command.[18:33:33] <rob0> !address_classes[18:33:33] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.[18:34:20] <Aw0L> Dominian, postgresql or mysql?[18:34:24] <Dominian> mysql[18:37:16] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[18:39:34] *** yajith has joined #postfix[18:39:59] *** yajith has left #postfix[18:40:12] <ouba> !minimal_backoff_time[18:40:13] *** crumberly has joined #postfix[18:40:13] <knoba> ouba: "minimal_backoff_time" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The minimal time between attempts to deliver a deferred message. This parameter also limits the time an unreachable destination is kept in the short-term, in-memory, destination status cache.[18:40:27] *** githogori has joined #postfix[18:40:58] *** phnord has quit IRC[18:41:28] *** donspaulding has joined #postfix[18:42:32] <crumberly> How do I get a fresh main.cf if I didn't save a copy of it when I started configuring my configuration file?[18:43:54] <Dominian> download postfix.. and grab one from the tarball[18:44:00] <rob0> don't be afraid to start from scratch, in fact in many cases that's a good idea. But the comments are helpful, and you can ^^ yes[18:44:05] *** titou has left #postfix[18:45:38] <crumberly> Okay, Thanks again guys.... I'll be back!!! Like Arnald says.[18:45:44] *** crumberly has quit IRC[18:50:34] *** ouba has quit IRC[18:56:01] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[18:58:27] *** suuuper has quit IRC[19:00:01] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[19:04:24] *** havvg has joined #postfix[19:05:05] *** af_ has quit IRC[19:06:52] *** bancus_ is now known as bancus[19:09:43] *** McJerry has joined #postfix[19:18:08] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[19:18:48] *** pirho has joined #postfix[19:31:53] *** fabounio has quit IRC[19:38:55] <Dominian> hmm going to create a secondary MX for my hosting on another vps in canada.. fun part.. copying the config and the DB over and keeping the DB uptodate[19:42:01] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[19:58:55] *** netcrash has joined #postfix[20:00:30] <netcrash> Hello , I'm trying to read a hash:virtual database trying to find a key (email) and always unsuccessful, I'm using perl cpan BerkeleyDB::Hash any tips ?[20:06:24] <vice-versa> might be better asked in #perl[20:06:41] *** bancus has left #postfix[20:06:52] <netcrash> thks[20:10:09] *** bpgoldsb has joined #postfix[20:11:26] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[20:11:30] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[20:14:23] <rob0> See also postmap(1), -q and -s options.[20:20:02] *** archvile has joined #postfix[20:21:35] * cpm sees rob0(1)[20:25:57] *** xpoint has quit IRC[20:27:51] <cpm> Wouldn't you like to know? It was a lovely little fish.[20:32:30] *** danbeck has joined #postfix[20:32:37] *** fabounio has quit IRC[20:37:46] *** suuuper has joined #postfix[20:40:16] <netcrash> rob0: but for postmap have to do a system() and I only need to know to witch user a email belongs[20:50:29] *** PaulTT has joined #postfix[20:50:41] *** tshine has quit IRC[20:51:00] <PaulTT> Hi all... I've got an odd question. When an e-mail is undeliverable, is there a specific header postfix looks at to decide who gets notified that the message bounced?[20:51:12] <PaulTT> is it possible to specify a separate address for bounces to get directed to?[20:53:25] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[20:54:46] *** drzed has left #postfix[20:55:15] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[20:59:33] *** githogori has quit IRC[21:00:35] <PaulTT> am I correct in assuming "Sender:' would be the best way?[21:01:59] <rob0> nc, you mention perl, did you escape your @ signs?[21:09:24] *** githogori has joined #postfix[21:10:37] <netcrash> Yes, but my perl skillz aren't very good :S ...[21:20:17] *** hever has quit IRC[21:22:30] *** arakthor has joined #postfix[21:22:59] *** will_ has quit IRC[21:24:21] <arakthor> Hi - I'm working on finalizing a virtual mail server setup and I'm using postfixadmin to manage mailboxes etc. - however, when I make a new mailbox the directory does not get created any idea where that problem might stem from?[21:26:33] *** Filbert- has joined #postfix[21:27:22] <mwalling> what problem?[21:27:37] <mwalling> does it make a directory when delivery takes place?[21:27:47] <arakthor> no[21:27:54] <mwalling> what LDA?[21:28:26] <arakthor> courier[21:28:59] *** stickystyle has joined #postfix[21:29:21] *** wdp has joined #postfix[21:31:02] *** icebrian has joined #postfix[21:31:27] <icebrian> hi all... when in the manual it is said... "in master.cf Comment out the local delivery agent entry" what does this mean ? local delivery agent ?[21:31:42] <icebrian> is that only the smtp line?[21:32:04] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:33:50] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[21:34:02] <rob0> What manual was that? !standard ?[21:34:20] <rob0> Anyway, it's the line that ends in "local".[21:34:58] <icebrian> thanks... was in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html btw[21:34:59] <rob0> See "man local" and also "man 5 master" and the comments in master.cf regarding syntax.[21:35:39] <icebrian> will do[21:37:57] *** Filbert has quit IRC[21:44:45] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[21:49:34] *** fabounio has quit IRC[21:50:13] *** Vivek has joined #postfix[21:51:59] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[21:53:14] *** muecke77 has quit IRC[21:54:15] *** myrick has joined #postfix[21:55:42] *** iNick is now known as iQueue[21:57:07] <myrick> Hey .. pls somebody could help me ? I would be so glad .. I've a smtp Problem: http://rafb.net/p/P2uzQ223.html[21:59:18] *** PhilKC has quit IRC[21:59:56] <myrick> has nobody an idea ?[22:04:31] <myrick> :([22:05:17] <geek_cl> myrick, you use debian?[22:05:27] <myrick> yes[22:05:41] <geek_cl> dovecot or cyrus?[22:05:52] <myrick> 220 mail.my-rick.de ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)[22:05:58] <myrick> cyrus/imap[22:06:09] <myrick> how in the paste =)[22:06:13] <myrick> geek_cl[22:06:30] <geek_cl> quit the debug[22:06:33] <geek_cl> first[22:06:41] <myrick> with openmailadmin , cyrus , sasl & virtual[22:09:05] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[22:09:26] *** githogori has quit IRC[22:12:00] <myrick> May 23 22:11:41 my-rick postfix/smtpd[20536]: warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed[22:12:18] <myrick> ok ... =)[22:12:57] <myrick> geek_cl ..[22:13:09] <myrick> where i see which authentification I've set =[22:13:10] <myrick> ?[22:17:28] *** iQueue is now known as iNick[22:18:32] <geek_cl> myrick: you see http://www.postfix.org/docs.html[22:18:33] <geek_cl> ?[22:19:41] *** myrick has quit IRC[22:20:03] <hparker> Don't guess he liked that answer[22:20:17] <geek_cl> ¬¬[22:20:57] <geek_cl> hparker: there appear the anwser[22:21:06] <hparker> yup[22:21:27] *** muecke77 has joined #postfix[22:21:32] *** muecke77 has left #postfix[22:23:11] *** McJerr1 has joined #postfix[22:23:47] <geek_cl> yup?[22:25:14] *** McJerry has quit IRC[22:26:39] *** McJerry has joined #postfix[22:30:05] *** archvile has quit IRC[22:31:27] *** githogori has joined #postfix[22:35:23] *** timelost has quit IRC[22:35:31] <cite> Anyone here runinng dccifd as greylister (on body hash values) in a pre-queue setup? I'm interested in first hand experiences on ressource consumption.[22:41:17] *** stickystyle has quit IRC[22:41:30] <geek_cl> cite: why dccifd[22:41:59] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[22:42:06] <cite> Because I don't know of any other greylisting daemons which operate on the BODY of a mail. Most greylisting demons check triplets of IP, MAIL FROM and RCPT TO.[22:43:12] *** McJerr1 has quit IRC[22:47:01] <jduggan> checking the body is just stupid[22:47:29] <geek_cl> just, postfix+sa+postgrey[22:47:33] <geek_cl> cite: :)[22:48:01] <cite> TBH, I'm more interested (as I said) in first hand experiences than in good advice. Not that I wouldn't honor it ;-)[22:48:19] <sysmonk> cite: tried asking on the mailing list?[22:48:27] <cite> sysmonk: Nah, my Englis hsucks.[22:48:28] <sysmonk> cause i've never heard anyone out here using it[22:48:45] <sysmonk> cite: yoru Englif waht?[22:48:51] <cite> And that list is getting archived in like two dozen places.[22:49:01] <sysmonk> so what?[22:49:11] <cite> Don't want to make a fool of myself and have it archived in the internet :)[22:49:18] <sysmonk> cite: if you didn't know, this channel is logged too. and archived.[22:49:23] <sysmonk> not publicly, but it is[22:49:52] <cite> It's that "publicly" which makes a whole lot of a differnece.[22:49:52] <sysmonk> cite: if you're so crazy about it - create a mailbox at @gmail or whatever and send from there[22:50:04] <cite> sysmonk: Now, hm, that's a good idea.[22:50:09] <sysmonk> cite: not publicly 'logged'[22:50:13] <sysmonk> but it's publicly available[22:50:25] <cite> Oh. I see.[22:50:37] <sysmonk> i.e. if i'd search my nick on google i'd definetly find logs of #postfix with me telling some kind of a joke[22:50:51] <cite> Ok, you convinced me.[22:51:40] <sysmonk> cite: oh, fird match in google for 'sysmonk': http://ircarc.com/freenode-postfix/21.html[22:51:56] <cite> I really need to get a new nick.[22:52:16] *** cite is now known as barlow_[22:57:15] <hparker> lol[22:58:22] *** martianixor has joined #postfix[22:59:31] *** barlow_ is now known as cite[23:00:50] *** DanielX has joined #postfix[23:01:11] <cite> I'm really surprised no one here sees the beauty in that. No dirty tricks (adding a whole /24 per connection attempt) or manual updating of whitelists for senders who send their outgoing mail from large pool of IPs, or at least different IPs for each delivery attempt.[23:04:30] <sahil> greylisting SA etc. are great. but most of my spam is stopped by just rejecting dialup-looking IPs and ZEN RBL.[23:04:41] <sahil> so very little mail even gets to greylisting or SA. ymmv.[23:04:54] *** havvg has quit IRC[23:06:54] <cite> I think this depends on the actual number of "little". There are days where I get up to 12 million connections on my frontend MX.[23:07:16] <cite> s/actual/absolute/[23:10:53] <sahil> little is a % of mail received, so no, the absolute # is irrelevant.[23:11:45] <sahil> :P[23:26:08] *** fabounio has quit IRC[23:28:49] *** icebrian has left #postfix[23:33:19] *** Aw0L has quit IRC[23:34:34] *** Scarface1102 has joined #postfix[23:34:48] <Scarface1102> Guten abend zusammen[23:36:09] <Scarface1102> good evening[23:41:38] *** cyr- has joined #postfix[23:49:40] <Scarface1102> master.cf http://phpfi.com/319196[23:49:41] <Scarface1102> main.cf http://phpfi.com/319197[23:49:42] <Scarface1102> dovecot.conf http://phpfi.com/319198[23:49:43] <Scarface1102> mail.log http://phpfi.com/319199[23:49:45] <Scarface1102> Everybody here who can help me?[23:50:13] <Scarface1102> at first time see mail.log[23:52:19] *** danielx_ has joined #postfix[23:55:51] *** danbeck has quit IRC[23:58:15] <linkslice> how would I specify a relayhost but only for specific domains?[23:59:23] <shasta> !transport[23:59:24] <knoba> shasta: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html[23:59:27] <shasta> linkslice, ^^^