[00:03:44] <kithpom> lionel2: you might try asking in #debian
[00:03:52] <kithpom> more bodies
[00:04:04] <kithpom> also you can get os specific advice.
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[00:12:19] <dustybin> my ISP has provided me with a SMTP relay host for my mail server for outgoing mail, it works ok, but there is a long delay before that server sends the mail, is that quite common?
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[00:16:45] <jonez> dustybin: yes it is. also be aware that they might do "outbound spam filtering" on your behalf.
[00:17:21] <dustybin> jonez: thats nice of them.... or is it..
[00:17:30] <DanielX> Dominian, :S
[00:17:40] <DanielX> Dominian, :( "not owned by group postdrop: /usr/sbin//postdrop"
[00:17:56] <DanielX> this file is in  /usr/sbin/postdrop
[00:17:58] <DanielX> :S
[00:18:05] <jonez> my isp did that to me when I was trying to report a phish... so I helped to start up a hosting company upon which I installed postfix and started using it instead of that crappy isp
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[00:18:59] <DanielX> how do i change the path?
[00:20:39] <shasta> man cd
[00:21:01] <shasta> though it's probably your shell' builtin
[00:21:35] <DanielX> help :S
[00:22:01] <DanielX> how do i change the path? my problem ins /usr/sbin//postdrop
[00:22:03] <DanielX> :S
[00:23:05] <shasta> now, your problem appears to be somewhere else
[00:23:12] <shasta> somewhere around "reading and understanding"
[00:24:13] <dustybin> ive set my cellphone to use PLAIN as the auth type, when i try and send a mail from my cellphone to my homeserver my mail.log says this
[00:24:20] <dustybin> May 21 23:22:35 server postfix/smtpd[5195]: warning: SASL authentication failure: Got more data than we were expecting in the PLAIN plugin?
[00:24:49] <shasta> see what's your phone's actually sending
[00:24:51] <shasta> !debug
[00:24:52] <knoba> shasta: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[00:25:02] <shasta> !debug_peer_list
[00:25:02] <knoba> shasta: "debug_peer_list" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional list of SMTP client or server patterns that cause the verbose logging level to increase by the amount specified in $debug_peer_level.
[00:25:12] <shasta> dustybin, ^^^^
[00:25:21] <dustybin> shasta: do i need to put in the hash version of my password into my cellphone?
[00:25:27] <dustybin> same as when i do it on telnet
[00:25:43] <shasta> no
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[00:34:54] <dustybin> shasta: i put in  debug_peer_list = 192.168.0.10
[00:35:13] <dustybin> restarted postfix, but my mail.log says the same amount of log as before
[00:35:38] <dustybin> May 21 23:34:29 server postfix/smtpd[5380]: warning: SASL authentication failure: Got more data than we were expecting in the PLAIN plugin?
[00:35:57] <dustybin> May 21 23:34:29 server postfix/smtpd[5380]: warning: unknown[82.132.136.198]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: bad protocol / cancel
[00:36:09] <rob0> 82.132.136.198 != 192.168.0.10
[00:36:27] <dustybin> 82.132.136.198 is some SMTP server what my cellphone uses
[00:36:43] <dustybin> thats what connects to my server
[00:36:47] <shasta> heh
[00:36:59] <rob0> but why did you expect "debug_peer_list = 192.168.0.10" to change anything?
[00:37:12] <dustybin> i thought that would give me a more detailed log of the problem
[00:37:28] <rob0> again, 82.132.136.198 != 192.168.0.10
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[00:37:36] <dustybin> aye ok, ill change it
[00:38:30] <rob0> um, verbose logging might not really help anyway
[00:38:32] <dustybin> bloody heck
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[00:38:39] <dustybin> my log filled up with lots of info
[00:38:53] <cite> rob0: Let me guess, you own a host whos IP is 192.168.0.10, don't you? ;)
[00:39:20] <rob0> cite, nope! But I can sell you that netblock.
[00:39:25] <dustybin> i can now see what has it uses
[00:39:28] <dustybin> hash
[00:39:52] <dustybin> im going to compare my ready made hash with the one my cellphone created
[00:40:42] <cite> rob0: That sure sounds interesting. How much for 192.168.0.16/28?
[00:40:56] <dustybin> they are different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:41:36] <dustybin> my cellphone created a smaller hash than the one i created myself
[00:42:01] <dustybin> the one i created myself works when i telnet into 25 from a remote location
[00:42:09] <dustybin> the cellphone hash doesnt work
[00:42:19] <dustybin> bastards
[00:42:50] * dustybin holds nokia responsible
[00:43:52] <dustybin> my cellphone has these options: off automatic digest-md5 cram-md5 plain login
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[00:50:26] <Vardogr> I've setup 2 IP addresses on my eth0 card and I want Postfix to bind to those two IPs when sending emails. The problem is that when I edit master.cfg to include my secondary IP address is complains that the port 25 is already in use and just quits.  Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[00:51:02] <dustybin> i changed my cellphone to login and now it auths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
[00:52:07] <dustybin> Vardogr: in your listen config, maybe you need to mention something like 1.2.3.4:25  5.6.7.8:25
[00:52:34] <Vardogr> dustybin:  Thank you, I'll check that out. :D
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[00:53:37] <dustybin> here is what happens when i send a mail from my cellphone
[00:53:55] <dustybin> cellphone >>>>> homeserver >>>>> ISP SMTP server
[00:54:16] <dustybin> mail i send from my cellphone gets rejected on my ISP SMTP server
[00:54:53] <dustybin> my ISP server says: 553
[00:54:57] <lionel2> rob0: kithpom than you, i have find my solution it's bridage on debian
[00:55:44] <shasta> Vardogr, postfix listens on all available interfaces by default, no need to tell that explicitly
[00:55:49] <kithpom> lionel2: glad you have found an answer. is that difference software or does it work with postfix amavisd somehow?
[00:56:58] <Vardogr> shasta:  It's not the listening that I want to set up differently... I'm trying to send emails from two seperate IP addresses, for example, to send every other email from one or the other
[00:57:45] <shasta> you can't
[01:01:45] <dustybin> exit
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[01:04:28] <shasta> /quit, not /squit, damnit! ;)
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[01:06:40] <dustybin> can anyone recommend a cellphone what is good for emailing?
[01:06:52] <dustybin> my cellphone does the job, but its a bit small
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[02:24:36] <shad0w1e> hey, I need a bit of help! I've got my courier-imap server set up, mail client connects to it, but I get an invalid username/password. How can I add email accounts, or use ones that perhaps already exist? thanks
[02:25:11] <shasta> this is not related to Postfix
[02:25:16] <shad0w1e> I'm running Postfix
[02:25:30] <shad0w1e> well for starters, where do the accounts reside? In Postfix, or in courier?
[02:25:55] <shasta> neither
[02:25:59] <shad0w1e> or are we talking local system accounts?
[02:26:05] <shasta> depends on your setup
[02:26:40] <shad0w1e> erm. default? setup of what, courier, or postfix?
[02:27:03] <shad0w1e> perhaps a short description of what each of these programs are responsible for would help a tremendous amount
[02:27:22] <shasta> postfix is a MTA - for "sending" emails, courier-imap is an IMAP daemon - for "receiving" emails
[02:27:55] <shasta> actually courier can also be a POP3 daemon
[02:28:08] <shad0w1e> im attempting to move email from one mail client to another. I just need an IMAP account to push em all up, and then pull em down using another client. sounds like I dont need to be thinking about postfix then, right?
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[02:29:04] <shasta> postfix shouldn't be involved
[02:29:14] <shad0w1e> (I know there are probably easier ways to accomplish what I need, but this will hopefully be a nice learning experience too)
[02:29:30] <shad0w1e> ah, hence I'm in the incorrect room
[02:29:51] <shasta> told you ;)
[02:29:59] <shad0w1e> yea, thanks
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[03:02:15] <Ktron> Is there a way to setup my server to automatically create Maildir directories for Postfix (or have Postfix create them automatically if they don't exist) for new users?
[03:05:31] <Dominian> it should do that anyway
[03:06:45] <m0f0x> One of the problems with Maildrop is that it won?t automatically create the maildir before it delivers the mail...
[03:06:46] <mwalling> Ktron: do you have logs from where it does not do that? or were you asking the question preventativly?
[03:06:55] <mwalling> maildrop != postfix
[03:07:15] <mwalling> local(8) and virtual(8) == postfix
[03:08:03] <Ktron> Dominian, mwalling, so I guess I have logs, because I have a new server I set up with Postfix, and when I 'useradd -m -s /bin/bash newuser' their directory is empty.
[03:08:17] <Dominian> Ktron: the directory will be created upon the first email received
[03:08:20] <Dominian> or at least it should be
[03:08:35] <Dominian> back later
[03:09:46] <Ktron> Dominian, so I have to send an email to the user before he can check his email?
[03:09:57] <mwalling> think about that sentance
[03:10:13] <mwalling> Ktron: what Dominian said. postfix has nothing to do with useradd. if you want the maildir there when they are first added, muck with /etc/skel/
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[03:11:34] <Ktron> alright, thanks mwalling, Dominian
[03:12:31] <mwalling> plus...
[03:12:39] <mwalling> how would you check email thats not there?
[03:14:21] <Ktron> mwalling, I just expected Postfix to call maildirmake on the new user when it tries to connect email and detects that the user doesn't have email setup yet. I suppose it isn't appropriate for Postfix to make such decisions though
[03:14:32] <Ktron> And It did, when it received mail, make a place to put it
[03:14:57] <mwalling> wait... huh?
[03:15:24] <Ktron> mwalling, short version, Postfix does what it should, I just didn't expect the behavior
[03:15:29] <mwalling> it does what you expected... but i've been haing out with Jack, so i might not be reading that sentance right
[03:15:40] <mwalling> Ktron: postfix++ then
[03:16:44] <Ktron> postfix++
[03:18:25] <rob0> Neither local(8) nor virtual(8) will call maildirmake when delivering. If the UID/GID of the process has rwx privileges in the parent directory, the maildir is created by the delivery agent itself.
[03:18:51] <mwalling> isnt maildirmake some djb cocoction or something?
[03:19:14] <rob0> yes originally, but Sam has one with Courier too.
[03:19:28] <mwalling> ah
[03:19:29] <rob0> Courier itself was a remake of qmail.
[03:19:48] <mwalling> i thought courier was a ... what ever dovecot is
[03:20:26] <rob0> Courier is an entire mail suite along the lines of MSexChange.
[03:20:37] <rob0> except ... not :)
[03:22:29] <mwalling> ah
[03:22:52] <mwalling> i didnt know it included the ... what ever postfix is
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[03:24:27] <cite> rob0: SOmehow, your statement about virtual and local doesn't make sense to me.
[03:24:44] <cite> rob0: But then, English isn't my first language.
[03:26:48] <cite> rob0: nvm. got it.
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[03:50:01] <rob0> Postfix does not have maildirmake, no. It just calls the C library's mkdir() functions.
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[04:37:09] <andres> Perhaps stupid questions: Where am I supposed to rewrite mails for domains in $virtual_mailbox_domains?
[04:37:24] <Ktron> should I have to do anything except for newalias /etc/aliases after adding a new line to /etc/aliases for them to go into effect?
[04:38:11] <andres> Doing that in $virtual_alias_maps works, but yields warnings.
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[05:04:27] <rob0> Ktron, newaliases(1)
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[05:12:29] <Ktron> so to make foobar at my dot com send mail to user fbar, I need to add a line into /etc/postfix/virtual and run 'postmap /etc/postfix/virtual' and then 'postfix reload' and it should work, right?
[05:15:50] <rob0> "/etc/postfix/virtual" has no magical meaning. No.
[05:16:12] <rob0> (And the reload is not needed when changing hash: maps.)
[05:16:12] <hparker> but rob0 does
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[05:17:30] <rob0> like magic!
[05:17:48] <sahil> rob0: your patience is commendable.
[05:18:20] <hparker> more then commendable
[05:18:26] <rob0> I don't usually get accused of that!
[05:18:49] <sahil> :P
[05:19:39] <hparker> rob0: btw, I peeked into that server this evening.. Somehow amavisd isn't running against the mail :P will takle the tomorrow.. I've had ~3 hours sleep in the last two nights due to my back not being happy :(
[05:20:03] <rob0> ouch
[05:20:38] <hparker> I have bourbon tonight, I will sleep
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[05:21:08] <hparker> May not wake up till noon or later, but...
[05:21:20] <hparker> crash-n-burn has to happen
[05:21:25] <rob0> yup
[05:23:25] <sahil> hparker: good luck.
[05:23:38] <hparker> ty
[05:24:17] <hparker> My back is in bad shape... some days it's a pain, some days it sucks
[05:28:02] <sahil> rest, rest, and more rest.
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[05:31:16] <hparker> Yeah... i lay in bed lots of hours, don't sleep many
[05:31:49] <rob0> then you need to look at other strategies
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[05:32:04] <sahil> the first of which is to stop slouching in front of this screen.
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[05:32:12] <rob0> unfortunately that could get expensive
[05:32:17] <rob0> 'night sahil
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[09:45:13] <Ktron> Can I ask questions about SMTP auth (such as, how do I force SMTP auth) here?
[09:45:28] <sysmonk> if it's about postfix - sure
[09:45:29] <Ktron> Because I need to force SMTP auth, and I believe its enabled and just not enforced
[09:45:33] <Ktron> I'm using postfix
[09:45:45] <sysmonk> Ktron: are you talking about 25 or 587/465?
[09:45:56] <Ktron> sysmonk, 25 I think...
[09:46:10] <sysmonk> Ktron: you can't enforce it on 25, it's against rfc
[09:46:31] <sysmonk> that way other servers won't be able to send mail to your server
[09:46:32] <Ktron> sysmonk, ah... so which port would it normally come up on then?
[09:46:39] <sysmonk> Ktron: 587/465
[09:47:02] <sysmonk> Ktron: that is, you CAN enable it on 25, but your smtp server would be broken
[09:47:28] <Ktron> sysmonk, so, my server isn't listening on either... so I guess I need to figure that out first
[09:47:38] <sysmonk> Ktron: yup
[09:47:53] <sysmonk> Ktron: uncomenting the submission server in your master.cf would do the job
[09:49:05] <Ktron> sysmonk, do I only need to do a postfix reload after that?
[09:49:51] <Ktron> sysmonk, so I enabled smtps and submission now
[09:50:11] <Ktron> sysmonk, is forced auth for free, or is there something else?
[09:51:59] <sysmonk> Ktron: reload won't do the job, you'd have to restart it
[09:52:04] <sysmonk> Ktron: didn't understand the last question.
[09:53:31] <Ktron> sysmonk, as in, do submission and smtps always require auth? so as long as I just expose those ports only, I've prevented my server from being a spam server?
[09:56:41] <sysmonk> Ktron: um, having auth != not being a spam server
[09:57:20] <Ktron> sysmonk, so I'm trying to prevent my SMTP server from being a public relay that spammers can use
[09:57:39] <sysmonk> and why is it public relay right now?
[09:57:44] <Ktron> and someone put it into my head that if I got SMTP-AUTH working, I'd be okay
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[09:58:08] <Ktron> sysmonk, so its a postfix mail server for work that people want to be able to access externally
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[09:59:33] <jpalmer> sysmonk: smtp auth is absolutly enforcable for sending mail.  other servers don't auth to deliver mail to you.
[10:00:14] <Ktron> So this is the first postfix server I've set up, and I'm trying to figure out how to avoid the classic problems (such as leaving SMTP wide open and getting blacklisted)
[10:02:16] <jpalmer> Ktron: use smtp auth,  and/or mynetworks as appropriate.  and test the configuration when you are done from unauthorized relaying
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[10:02:53] <hooch> sysmonk, what's the basis of 465?
[10:03:06] <hooch> i've seen the RFC for 587/submission
[10:03:31] <Ktron> jpalmer, so I think I have smtp auth enabled, I just am struggling on testing it and more importantly, I don't know how to disable unauthorizd relaying
[10:03:59] <jpalmer> the default is disabled.  you have to break it, or intentionally allow relaying.
[10:04:30] <Ktron> jpalmer, so I can send email using telnet, into port 25, right now with typing a password
[10:05:01] <jpalmer> well,  typically the password isn't plaintext.  you'll probably have to encode the password.  but yes.
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[10:06:24] <Ktron> jpalmer, so, I can send email without one right now
[10:06:41] <Ktron> jpalmer, and I assume if I can send email via telnet without a password right now, anyone could
[10:07:00] <jpalmer> from a machine on your network (that I presume is listed in mynetworks)  or from a remote machine?
[10:07:18] <Ktron> jpalmer, on my network, ah ha
[10:08:00] <Ktron> jpalmer, thanks a ton
[10:08:13] <Ktron> I'm in EST and started work ~14 hours ago
[10:08:18] <Ktron> my mind is gone :)
[10:08:40] <jpalmer> Ktron: I don't allow mail to be sent, unless the user is authenticated, FYI.  the part above about that breaking the RFC is wrong.  people who send email TO your server, aren't relaying.  it'll still be accepted.
[10:08:54] <jpalmer> I'm in EST too.  florida
[10:09:02] <Ktron> jpalmer, thanks, I'll keep that in mind
[10:09:29] <Ktron> new hampshire here, 1000mi north
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[10:11:44] <f3ew> 465 is smtps
[10:13:42] <hooch> ah, right
[10:14:22] <hooch> do MTAs at large attempt smtps or is it just a submission thing?
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[10:21:15] <f3ew> hooch some do, nmost don't
[10:21:18] <f3ew> most*
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[10:26:44] <jpalmer> the number that don't almost make it not worth the effort.
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[12:21:39] <lenscape_> can I limit inbound local delivery to just a few mailboxes?
[12:21:48] <f3ew> yes
[12:21:54] <f3ew> transport_maps
[12:22:06] <f3ew> or check_recipient_access
[12:22:17] <lenscape_> f3ew: Thanks
[12:23:32] <lenscape_> also - maildir format - is that simply one file per email in a directory or is there some other guff to deal with?
[12:23:58] <f3ew> one file per message
[12:24:00] <f3ew> no guff
[12:24:14] <lenscape_> f3ew: excellent. Thanks again
[12:26:39] <lenscape_> is the documentation on postfix.org complete? The basic configuration seems to end somewhat short of the full story
[12:27:06] <f3ew> Hmmm, basic gets you up and running
[12:27:09] <f3ew> !standard
[12:27:09] <knoba> f3ew: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[12:27:12] <f3ew> !docs
[12:27:12] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.
[12:27:53] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[12:28:07] <timelost> i just installed postfix but know...nothing about postfix or mail servers in general. what steps do i need to take to ensure a spammer doesn't somehow take advantage of my domains to spam other people?
[12:28:24] <lenscape_> f3ew: that second link is where I've been looking. Seems incomplete
[12:28:28] <timelost> just sent a test message to and from the domain, and it works
[12:28:43] <f3ew> timelost, then there isn't much more you can do
[12:29:19] <lenscape_> timelost: you want to do an open relay test?
[12:30:07] <timelost> lenscape_: does that mean to test if it's possible for someone else to use my server to relay their mail?
[12:30:17] <f3ew> yes
[12:30:18] <lenscape_> timelost: yes
[12:30:27] <timelost> then yes, i'd like to test that
[12:30:43] <timelost> (you guys know 100% more than i do about this)
[12:31:43] <lenscape_> timelost: there are a few things to check
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[12:32:39] <lenscape_> have you set up mynetworks?
[12:32:55] <timelost> to the best of my knowledge, no
[12:33:13] <lenscape_> check the main.cf file. mynetworks = <valid source ip addresses>
[12:33:50] <timelost> i googled that and see that it is covered in http://www.postfix.org/basic.html i'll read that this afternoon
[12:34:46] <timelost> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
[12:34:46] <lenscape_> timelost: I don't have time to go through all the checks but if you google for postfix and open relay - you should find some help, I'd have thought
[12:35:12] <timelost> i have relayhost set to nothing
[12:35:18] <lenscape_> timelost: also pretend to be someone else and try and send mail through your host
[12:35:35] <timelost> ok
[12:35:41] <lenscape_> relayhost is for forwarding - not really related to open relaying
[12:35:42] <timelost> thanks for helping me get started lenscape_
[12:36:36] <lenscape_> timelost: my experience with postfix is pretty limited too. I'm strong on theory :)
[12:37:03] <timelost> :wq
[12:37:08] <timelost> err sorry
[12:37:11] <lenscape_> ah vim user :)
[12:37:31] <timelost> well i've got that starting point now. found the postfix wiki and the basic user guide
[12:37:36] <timelost> yes :)
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[12:46:31] <timelost> is it ok to manually edit main.cf?
[12:46:56] <wdp> sure
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[12:47:18] <timelost> ok, thanks
[12:53:23] <lenscape_> do I need to create the maildir in advance of receiving any emails into it?
[12:55:48] <shasta> usually - no
[12:56:11] <shasta> but that's easy to check - just send an email and see if maildir gets created
[12:56:14] <lenscape_> shasta: thanks
[12:57:57] <timelost> i just tried sending a message to root from gmail on my server running postfix
[12:58:11] <timelost> was just curious what would happen
[12:58:21] <timelost> ...because mail to root is setup to go to a local user account
[12:58:29] <timelost> and there is no mail setup for root in /var/mail
[12:58:33] <timelost> <admin1 at fbchosting dot com> (expanded from <root at mail dot fbchosting.com>): mail for fbchosting.com loops back to myself
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[13:04:13] <myrick> hi =)
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[13:22:41] <mwalling> !loopback
[13:22:42] <knoba> mwalling: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[13:22:45] <mwalling> timelost: ^^
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[13:35:59] <killerchicken_> If any postfix devs are here: THANK YOU! I love postfix.
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[13:42:53] <cite> If I add e.g. "devnull.example.org" to relay_domains, add " at devnull dot example.org x" to a file referenced in relay_recipient_maps and add "devnull.example.org discard:" to a file referenced in transport_maps, is there any way a mail sent to @devnull.example.org will _ever_ caus a bounce?
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[13:52:54] <f3ew> no
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[13:59:53] <cite> Yeah, well, ok, I just found a way... just incorrectly rewrite some localparts of devnull.example.org in your virtual alias maps.
[14:00:04] <cite> Damn, sometimes I do really stupid things.
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[14:23:47] <lenscape_> I've set home_mailbox = maildir/
[14:24:00] <lenscape_> but mail is still going to /var/mail - what else might I need?
[14:24:59] <rob0> You're using Debian or Ubuntu? The LOGS contain your answer, "delivered to command ..." (remove mailbox_command).
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[14:25:22] <lenscape_> rob0: Ubuntu
[14:25:51] <lenscape_> log says delivered to mailbox but doesn't say why it didn't use maildir
[14:29:45] <cite> lenscape_: Are the mails delivered by local(8)?
[14:29:59] <lenscape_> how do I tell?
[14:30:42] <cite> lenscape_: the line will start with <date> postfix/local
[14:30:57] <lenscape_> cite: in the log?
[14:31:01] <cite> lenscape_: Yes.
[14:31:44] <lenscape_> yes - postfix/local[x]  - (x = some number)
[14:32:59] <cite> lenscape_: Can you show one log line, please?
[14:33:55] <lenscape_> May 22 08:20:15 xxxxxxxxxx postfix/local[11324]: 95C591F5238: to=<xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, relay=local, delay=0.07, delays=0.06/0/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
[14:34:49] <lenscape_> hang on - possible typo in main.cf...
[14:36:14] <lenscape_> sussed it. Sorry. I had home-mailbox instead of home_mailbox
[14:36:17] <lenscape_> fixed now
[14:37:19] <lenscape_> cite: thanks
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[14:38:19] <cite> lenscape_: I didn't do anything ;)
[14:38:41] <lenscape_> cite: you made the right noises :)
[14:38:49] <cite> ;)
[14:43:21] <lunaphyte_> if you listen closely, you'll hear the the grunting and shuffling of the mail admin as he attempts to establish himself in the pack.
[14:45:44] <lunaphyte_> a close relative to the east indian baboon, his natural habitat is typically a small, dark, cave, often littered with vestigial artifacts of past inhabitants.
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[14:46:56] <cite> Well, the thing is, where I live, there is a PUG (Postfix User Group) - but some of our mombers speak even less English than I do. I was wondering if you would allow translating that documentation once it is finished...
[14:47:00] <cite> ECHAN
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[14:49:40] <lunaphyte_> while typically found only in the wild, it is possible, with patience and time, to domesticate these typically solitary, wondrous beasts and predicate a productive place in society.
[14:50:31] <lunaphyte_> it's friday for me, so you all suffer  :p
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[14:55:40] <cpm> that's pretty good lunaphyte
[14:56:50] <rob0> He's definitely talking about us, until he got to the "possible to domesticate" part.
[14:57:45] <cite> Hm. I'm on vacation next week. Perhaps I should rewrite _all_ entries in transport_maps to point to discard:?
[14:57:58] <lunaphyte_> lol
[14:58:16] <lunaphyte_> well, i did say *possible*, not likely.
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[14:59:48] <cpm> rob0, oh, postadmins/masters are definitely domesticatable. All it takes mostly is deliveries of pizza that seem to appear from nowhere, and direct deposit that covers cave payments and an idiotic car, plus some shiny baubles from time to time, and they get down right gregarious.
[15:00:22] <rob0> hmmm, I wouldn't know, none of that has ever happened to me :(
[15:01:15] <lunaphyte_> that's because you sit there, chained to that old rusty engine block, growling at any potential suitors.
[15:01:43] <lunaphyte_> fur all matted from sleeping on one side in the rain...
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[15:02:11] <rob0> cite, why discard it all?
[15:02:23] <cpm> rob0, it's rare, but I've heard tell of it.
[15:02:33] <cpm> you've read animal farm, yes?
[15:02:40] <cite> rob0: Well, I wasn't being serious.
[15:03:03] <rob0> of course! I've practically got it all memorized. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey.
[15:03:21] * cpm chuckles
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[15:03:46] <lunaphyte_> great.  now i've got to go read a book.  i've never read that, i don't think.
[15:03:48] * rob0 is a Benjamicrat
[15:04:01] <rob0> Gutenberg Australia has it.
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[15:04:50] <cpm> lunaphyte_, that one is required reading.
[15:04:57] * cpm takes back one gold star
[15:05:03] <rob0> so in _1984_
[15:05:03] <lunaphyte_> sigh.
[15:05:06] <rob0> is
[15:05:42] <lunaphyte_> don't forget soylent green
[15:05:59] <cpm> you can substitute the movie version with richard burton if you have watched it enough to have memorized the dialoge.
[15:06:38] <cpm> I watched soylent green recently, first time in probably 30 years. it's much better than i remember, and I remembered it as being pretty good.
[15:06:47] <lunaphyte_> well, required watching, i guess.
[15:09:00] <rob0> I figure I'm about the same age as the old man in SG.
[15:09:03] <cpm> I didn't know animal farm redated 1984.
[15:09:09] <lunaphyte_> cpm - funny - i was just adding it to my netflix queue as you said that.
[15:09:12] <cpm> that's interesting. I though it was later.
[15:09:35] <cpm> lunaphyte_, which one? the richard burton, or the john hurt?
[15:09:48] <cpm> they are both good, but the richard burton one is better
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[15:10:58] <lunaphyte_> oh, i meant soylent green.
[15:11:03] <cpm> ah, yeah, good one.
[15:12:10] <rob0> I've never seen a _1984_ movie, but I did see a good _Animal_Farm_ with Patrick Stewart as the voice of Comrade Napoleon.
[15:13:09] <ereinion> hello, I am trying to restrict external sending for every user on my mail server, and I have my configuration like http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#relay_restrict
[15:13:26] <ereinion> I was just wondering if there was an easier way to do the restricted users then to list them all
[15:13:37] <ereinion> I tried just @domain local_only
[15:13:41] <ereinion> and domain local_only
[15:13:44] <ereinion> but neither work
[15:18:15] <rob0> Shell users might do sendmail(1) submission, bypassing smtpd(8) and all the restrictions.
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[15:24:20] <ereinion> rob0: do you know a better way?
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[15:30:46] <rob0> haha
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[15:31:21] <rob0> A better way is to: 1. Determine the real problem; and 2. Follow through until it's solved.
[15:34:34] <Dominian> or 3. leave it a lone and pay someone to do it
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[15:36:54] <rob0> Most folks who want to control senders by "address" don't seem to understand that anyone can forge any address.
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[15:44:47] * cpm forges rob0
[15:45:04] * cite slaps rob0 with a sender_login_maps!
[15:47:33] * rob0 sees cite's sender_login_maps and raises a permit_mynetworks
[15:48:30] * cite setd smtpd_dely_reject to no and adds sender_login_maps to smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[15:49:06] <cite> Ah, well, reject_authenticated_sender_login.
[15:49:38] <cite> mismatch, even.
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[16:07:03] <titou> hi
[16:07:28] <titou> how can i do to allow postfix to accept account with capitals (whereas account are not in capitals)?
[16:08:34] <dazjorz> Hey
[16:08:45] <dazjorz> I've got a mailserver running on caesar.dazjorz.com which does not accept local
[16:08:46] <dazjorz> mail
[16:08:51] <titou> sorry, not account but email address
[16:08:55] <dazjorz> I want all mail to @dazjorz.com and @caesar.dazjorz.com to be sent on accordingly
[16:09:17] <dazjorz> when a mail comes through to dazjorz at dazjorz dot com, it's sent through perfectly, but when sending to root at caesar dot dazjorz.com, mail is bounced instead of being sent on
[16:09:26] <dazjorz> that's probably because Postfix knows it's own name is caesar.dazjorz.com
[16:10:02] <dazjorz> how do I make it send the mail on as if it wasn't caesar.dazjorz.com? (e.g., so mail to dazjorz at caesar dot dazjorz.com is sent to the mailserver as indicated by the MX records)
[16:11:14] <dazjorz> I've got this line in /etc/aliases: @caesar.dazjorz.com: @dazjorz.com
[16:11:22] <dazjorz> (because the MX records for caesar.dazjorz.com and dazjorz.com are the same)
[16:11:30] <cite> dazjorz: Make sure that caesar.dazjorz.com ist not listed in mydestination (virtual_mailbox_domains, virtual_alias_domains). You can determine the current value of mydestination with the command: postconf mydestination (virtual_mailbox_domains, virtual_alias_domains)
[16:11:48] <cite> dazjorz: Ah, crap.
[16:11:56] <cite> I mean: add caesar.dazjorz.com to mydestination.
[16:11:59] <dazjorz> ah, got it, remove from mydestination
[16:12:04] <dazjorz> remove it, right?
[16:12:12] <dazjorz> it isn't the *real* destination
[16:12:16] <cite> ah, ok, then remove
[16:12:22] <cite> My English is not very good, sorry.
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[16:14:25] <cite> dazjorz: You won't need that line in aliases once you removed the name from mydestination
[16:14:42] <cite> (it's not valid, anyways)
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[16:15:48] <dazjorz> cite: why isn't it valid?
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[16:22:22] <Comete> hi
[16:22:58] <cite> dazjorz: An alias file handles localparts, that's everything on the left side of the "@"
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[16:26:32] <dazjorz> cite: oh, oops
[16:26:46] <dazjorz> cite: I can't use it to send mail to a @domain or address@domain somewhere else?
[16:26:55] <Comete> i have a postfix gateway which only relay mails for my domain but i would like it to send mails too from my networks only ? how can i do ?
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[16:30:05] <killerchicken_> When running postfix check, I receive: postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/localtime and /etc/localtime differ
[16:30:05] <killerchicken_> I used google to search for a solution, and I was told to just copy /etc/localtime to /var/spool/postfix/etc/localtime. This seems strange to me, can someone tell me whether that advice is sane? Maybe even better explain why there is the problem in the first place?
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[16:42:20] <meuserj> I'm running postfix, and I have an alias set up that goes to everyone in the company... we've started getting lots of spam on it, and it only really needs to accept internal mail... what's the easiest way to do that?
[16:43:42] <meuserj> maybe I should be asking this in #procmail?
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[16:51:13] <rob0> !restriction_classes
[16:51:14] <knoba> rob0: Error: "restriction_classes" is not a valid command.
[16:51:15] <rob0> !restriction_class
[16:51:16] <knoba> rob0: "restriction_class" : http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
[16:51:40] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[16:51:40] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[16:51:48] <rob0> !zen
[16:51:49] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
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[16:52:03] <rob0> ^^ those 2 greatly reduce the spam coming in
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[16:52:40] <rob0> I would consider a mailing list manager like Mailman, however.
[16:54:13] <rob0> Also, procmail has been unmaintained since 2001, so I doubt there is a significant channel. But the http://www.ii.com/ howto is very helpful if you want to go that way.
[16:54:15] <meuserj> rob0: thanks, I think the restriction class might be what I'm looking for... I already have a bunch of spam filters set up, but one of our child companies is a pharmaceutical reseller, so I can't turn the threshold up too high.... I hadn't thought of using mailman...
[16:55:01] <rob0> the spam control links I gave you have nothing to do with message content, so they're safe for pharmaceuticals.
[16:59:36] * vice-versa always felt a little pity for the poor soul who has to admin mail for pharmaceutical companies
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[17:03:32] * cpm things rob0 needs more pharmaceuticals
[17:03:36] <cpm> s/things/thinks
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[17:16:48] <Comete> my postqueue is full of "delivery suspended" messages for root@mydomain, how can i relay them to a valid email adress ? i've set an alias to root admin@mydomain but i still receive no mail... ?
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[17:19:37] <eight_> I can't configure postfix properly...
[17:19:55] <Dominian> eh?
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[17:20:22] <eight_> what do I need to change at the default config?
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[17:20:33] <rob0> haha
[17:20:36] <Dominian> !basic
[17:20:37] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:20:51] <Dominian> heh
[17:21:26] <Dominian> postfix is not "point and click"
[17:21:36] <eight_> I know..
[17:22:00] <eight_> I also saw this readme...
[17:22:27] <Dominian> Then I don't see a problem.
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[17:23:57] <eight_> basically it should work if I only set the domain and hostname and leave the rest as the default
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[17:24:36] <eight_> could the router/firewall cause problems?
[17:24:39] <Dominian> huh?
[17:24:44] <Dominian> we don't even know what your problem is
[17:24:56] <Dominian> you haven't shown logs.. you haven't show any configuration changes..
[17:25:20] <rob0> That's the gist of !basic, yes, set myhostname and mydomain. Another common problem is outbound blocking of port 25 ...
[17:25:25] <rob0> !fcrdns
[17:25:25] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[17:25:32] <rob0> !relayhost
[17:25:32] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[17:25:41] <Dominian> !rob0
[17:25:42] <knoba> Dominian: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[17:25:53] <rob0> Note that !relayhost is also mentioned in !basic.
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[17:26:41] <rob0> You do have to know a little basic networking (like, how to set up your router[s]) before you undertake mail management.
[17:26:56] <eight_> ok, thanks I'll look into it
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[17:27:12] <Dominian> Unless you are one of those independent consultants that talkst he client into this "great" deal and then suddenly you realize.. you have to configure it and don't know what you're doing..
[17:27:27] <Dominian> and yes.. we've seen that a lot in here
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[17:27:45] <eight_> no, I'm just experimenting..
[17:28:36] <rob0> well have fun, that's how I started too.
[17:29:15] <eight_> I did manage to get one mail sent to my gmail account.. don't really know how..
[17:30:18] <eight_> hmm.. the problem is probably with the hostname and domain..
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[17:33:51] <eight_> I have a subdomain (eight.somedomain.org) that redirects to my ip (for web hosting). so, in the config, I should specify this sub-domain as my domain, right?
[17:36:34] <Dominian> not necessarly
[17:36:46] <Dominian> what's the domain without the sub?
[17:36:50] <cite> dazjorz: The left hand side of an aliases entry may not contain an "@" sign
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[17:38:09] <eight_> Dominian, kicks-ass.org a dyndns domain
[17:38:18] <rob0> !parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[17:38:19] <knoba> rob0: "parent_domain_matches_subdomains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What Postfix features use "domain.tld matches sub.domain.tld" style pattern matching instead of ".domain.tld matches any subdomain". This is planned backwards compatibility: eventually, all Postfix features are expected to require explicit ".domain.tld" style patterns when you really want to match subdomains.
[17:38:36] <rob0> ^^ probably a good idea for someone starting out, to unset that
[17:38:50] <jY> anyone know what this error means " 501 5.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax "
[17:38:51] <rob0> "parent_domain_matches_subdomains ="
[17:39:19] <cite> parent_domain_matches_subdomains = debug_peer_list,smtpd_access_maps
[17:40:22] <rob0> I'd venture a guess that that " 501 5.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax " means that the receiving host didn't like the syntax of the recipient address.
[17:40:32] <cite> And tbh, that relay_domains = $mydestination setting conjunction with relay_domains = $mydestination is just plain stupid :-(
[17:40:45] <Dominian> eight_: ahhhh
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[17:40:55] <Dominian> eight_: that is doable.. friend of mine here does that.
[17:40:56] <cite> Argh, I meant in cunjunction with parent_domain_matches_subdomains = relay_domains
[17:41:55] <rob0> I always unset relay_domains too.
[17:42:13] <cite> Yes, either that or a valid list.
[17:42:15] <rob0> (unless I'm using relay_domains, which I don't on any present server.)
[17:42:22] * Dominian does
[17:42:36] <eight_> I don't have parent_domain_matches_subdomains in the config, should I add it?
[17:42:39] * rob0 has, but no longer has those servers
[17:42:51] <rob0> 15:38 < rob0> "parent_domain_matches_subdomains ="
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[17:43:16] <Dominian> almost time for my webinar
[17:48:38] <eight_> hmm.. now it's better..
[17:48:50] <eight_> now how do I email gmail
[17:50:52] <eight_> https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10336
[17:51:07] <eight_> "SMTP relay provided by your ISP" ?!
[17:52:41] <meuserj> rob0: thanks for the info.. using smtpd_recipient_restrictions I was able to block all external or unauthenticated mail from going to the internal distribution list
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[18:00:00] <zonzon> hi
[18:00:30] <zonzon> I have a problem with authdaemond
[18:01:02] <zonzon> in my log file i have this line : warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory
[18:01:23] <zonzon> can you help me ?
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[18:03:53] <Dominian> !sasl
[18:03:53] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[18:08:01] <ftp3> what dir does postfix put domain emails in (by default)?  ie.. emails for xyz.com would be found where?
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[18:18:43] <rob0> There is no such default.
[18:18:46] <rob0> !basic
[18:18:47] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[18:44:09] <hooch> if i have domains and users all set up as virtual, is there a method to funnel all abuse/postmaster/hostmaster@virtual_dom to say, root ?
[18:44:57] <hooch> at a once-off global level, rather than set up as all virtual abuse/postmaster/hostmaster@each_virtual_dom ..
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[19:12:52] <Ktron> So, I setup a postfix server and I need to force smtp AUTH; smtp auth is enabled (I can use it, I've tested it with telnet) but I can still send email without from inside the network; is this expected behavior?
[19:14:15] <cite> Ktron: Yes, it is. You have to manually remove "permit_mynetworks" from smtpd_recipient_restrictions and replace it with permit_sasl_authenticated
[19:15:45] <Ktron> cite, okay, I'll try that
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[19:17:28] <Ktron> cite, so I have both configured at the moment
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[19:17:56] <Ktron> cite, I did try external to my network, shouldn't that have forced auth? (I'm removing permit_mynetworks now)
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[19:22:32] <cite> Ktron: Try something like permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination
[19:23:03] <Ktron> cite, that's what I have
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[19:23:28] <cite> Ktron: Yeah, well, this will allow relaying for auth'ed clients and accept mail to addresses your system is configured for.
[19:24:03] <cite> Ktron: an internal user could still send a mail to one of your (local) recipients without being auth'ed, though.
[19:24:12] <Ktron> cite, I can telnet into my mail server from a local and from a external host and send email to/from anyon
[19:24:29] <cite> Ktron: did you reload postfix?
[19:24:45] <Ktron> cite, I did a postfix reload and even restarted the service
[19:25:46] <cite> Ktron: try permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination permit_auth_destination reject then
[19:26:27] <Ktron> cite, so it appears to prevent me from sending email externally
[19:26:37] <Ktron> cite, okay
[19:27:18] <cite> Ktron: Well, that's the point of it, isn't it? You want to be able to receive mail for local users without the need for the delivering mail server to auth itself.
[19:28:20] <Ktron> cite, but, I have a public exposed mail server; couldn't spammer X send emails to all of my users using my own mail server? or is that the typical behavior? (this is my first true mail server)
[19:28:36] <cite> Ktron: A mail server accepts and sends mail.
[19:28:37] <Ktron> I suppose this might be expected behavior
[19:28:43] <cite> It sure is.
[19:28:55] <Ktron> cite, alright, so this is working then
[19:29:02] <Ktron> cite, thanks very much
[19:29:05] <cite> np
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[19:29:29] <Ktron> cite, I reall appreciate it, if you need anything I'm usually in ##php, ##java and #idlerpg
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[19:45:56] <dikdust_> hi
[19:46:16] <dikdust_> as you know there is a way to tell postfix to relay mail for a dyndns host ?
[19:46:37] <dikdust_> I have tried to put dyndshostname in mynetworks
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[20:04:34] <eight_> I don't get it... gmail let 2 emails through but it rejected tons of emails exactly like the ones that it accepted.... why??
[20:06:59] <hparker> ask gmail
[20:09:49] <killerchicken_> eight_: gmail will most likely not use your own criteria to filter mail. Use your own mail service for that :)
[20:11:24] <eight_> it is weird it accepted only one message from tens of identical messages..
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[20:12:31] <lied> how can I recreate the /etc/sasldb2 ?
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[21:00:46] <dustybin> soon i will be buying a cellphone what is capable of push email, how do i get postfix to push email into my cellphone ?
[21:01:06] <dustybin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_e-mail
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[21:06:49] <cpm> in short, you don't.
[21:07:08] <cpm> you use imap, and poll for mail. That's the way that seems to work the best for a lot of is.
[21:07:12] <cpm> s/is/us
[21:07:33] <jduggan> dustybin: imap's IDLE extension is the best youre going to get
[21:07:43] <cpm> from your posting "most of the protocols used in popular current systems are proprietary;"
[21:07:47] <cpm> that about sums it up
[21:07:54] <cpm> imap works fine.
[21:08:09] <jduggan> ^assuming your client and daemons both support IDLE
[21:08:33] <cpm> we use treos with courier-imap, and folks don't complain. even seems to be okay with ssl.
[21:09:05] <hparker> What am I missing? http://rafb.net/p/pMaJn968.html
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[21:09:28] <dustybin> if i telnet into my IMAP server on port 143, could i read my mail via telnet?
[21:10:07] <cpm> hparker, saw that yesterday with someone else, dunno. it's a corker
[21:10:18] <hparker> dmanit!
[21:10:52] <cpm> probably some kinda ubuntu thing
[21:10:53] <cpm> :)
[21:11:03] <dustybin> jduggan: im thinking about buying this phone: http://europe.nokia.com/A4423145
[21:11:17] <hparker> cpm: it's not ubuntu, but almost as bad.. centos 5
[21:11:21] <dustybin> jduggan: it says: Push email client supports attachments
[21:11:48] <hparker> cpm: But, all the mail related apps are from source :P
[21:12:11] <cpm> dustybin, imap supports attachments.
[21:12:14] <dustybin> Email Client  	 Protocols Supported: IMAP4, POP3, SMTP, IMAP-IDLE, OMA EMN
[21:12:15] <dustybin> supports push and attachments
[21:12:21] <dustybin> its ok :-)
[21:12:43] <dustybin> am i right in thinking i need to install a IMAP-IDLE extension into my imap-courier
[21:13:14] <cpm> your courier-imap would support imap idle unless you went though some gyrations to prevent it.
[21:13:23] <dustybin> aye excellent :-)
[21:13:50] <cpm> what does the banner say when you connect to your imap server w/telnet?
[21:13:53] <dustybin> if i get this setup correctly, new emails will be alerted on my cellphone just like sms, how cool is that?
[21:14:21] <dustybin> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2008 Double Precision, Inc.  See COPYING for distribution information.
[21:15:01] * cpm wonders if dustybin can see the IDLE hiding in there, kinda like where's waldo
[21:15:17] <dustybin> i see it
[21:15:24] <cpm> k, there ya go
[21:15:26] <dustybin> :-)
[21:15:29] <dustybin> thanks :-)
[21:15:33] <cpm> n'joy
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[21:18:22] <dustybin> i think its so cool that a mobile device can talk to my home mail server
[21:19:27] <hparker> cpm: I can telnet to 10025 fine
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[21:23:12] <cpm> hparker, so, the port is open on 10024, but no body is home, get a single amavis daemon running, strace it and try again maybe, see what the heck is going on
[21:23:27] <cpm> that's a real stumper, that iz
[21:23:30] <hparker> k, thx
[21:26:49] <hparker> cpm: http://rafb.net/p/M1l6CB48.html
[21:26:56] <hparker> Not real helpful :P
[21:27:34] <cpm> so, it's like amavis isn't really listening, , , dang
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[21:27:45] <cpm> of course, the ports go away when it isn't running
[21:27:47] <hparker> yeah
[21:28:08] * cpm is starting to get a headache
[21:28:13] <hparker> heh
[21:28:24] * hparker has had one for awhile now
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[21:29:17] <dustybin> cellphone << port 143 >> home IMAP server  am i right in thinking that this connection will always be live with IMAP-IDLE?
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[21:32:55] <robgault_> I'm running into a problem when I try create the map file for transport.  postmap transport creates the following error.
[21:32:58] <robgault_> postmap: fatal: dict_open_dlinfo: Expected "pattern .so-name open-function [mkmap-function]" at line 1
[21:33:13] <robgault_> I also get the same error with postconf -m
[21:33:26] <robgault_> is this a library that I'm missing?
[21:33:33] <robgault_> this is on ubuntu 7.10
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[21:37:02] <BatteryCell> hello, what is a reliable way to limit most users to sending only local mail while still allowing some to send to both local and external addresses?
[21:37:16] <BatteryCell> I saw http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#relay_restrict but that is really impractical for a large number of users
[21:38:19] <suuuper> hi to all
[21:38:39] <suuuper> can i execute a rewrite first a content filter?
[21:39:00] <suuuper> before a content filter?
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[21:48:57] <krondorl> Greetings...  I followed the directions for installing postfix on the gentoo-wiki website, but none of the tables were created.. Wasn't postfix supposed to create them?
[21:49:13] <devdas> no
[21:49:27] <devdas> suuuper: virtual_alias_maps?
[21:50:03] <suuuper> but i don't use virtual
[21:50:14] <suuuper> i have the sequent situation
[21:50:30] <suuuper> smtp      inet  n       -       -       -       -        smtpd
[21:50:37] <suuuper>  -o content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
[21:50:50] <suuuper> and in my main.cf
[21:51:01] <suuuper> i execute the sequent check:
[21:51:18] <suuuper> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access ldap:ldapmbx, check_recipient_access ldap:ldapgrp, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_destination, reject
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[21:52:25] <suuuper> i would that the rewrite is executed before smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[21:52:35] <suuuper> understand?
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[22:07:56] <jY> anyone ever see an issue where postfix seems to ignore message_size_limit
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[22:08:32] <devdas> no
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[22:09:38] <jY> 40960000  is 40 megs right?
[22:09:41] <jY> or am i drunk
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[22:10:03] <devdas> slightly under
[22:10:06] <jY> ok
[22:10:07] <jY> thanks
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[22:19:45] <geek_cl> "Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command))" , its a problem in a destiny server right ?
[22:19:59] <devdas> depends
[22:20:44] <geek_cl> :O
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[22:21:44] <geek_cl> devdas: http://fpaste.org/paste/2330
[22:21:49] <geek_cl> that say
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[22:23:07] <geek_cl> devdas: i don't know if is dstdomain or my server
[22:24:43] <myrick> hi =) Can somebody help me ? I can't get Emails ... mail.log with VERBOSE=1 says: http://rafb.net/p/mCMUit56.html
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[22:26:03] <devdas> geek_cl: that was the remote host
[22:26:33] <geek_cl> thanks... i think the recipient rejected
[22:26:38] <myrick> devdas_ maybe you could help me ;)
[22:27:22] <geek_cl> myryck: post your "postconf -n"
[22:29:04] <myrick> this is my postconf -n & the mail i get back: http://rafb.net/p/hyME6b39.html
[22:29:56] <myrick> .. and what its strange after a while SOMETIMES i get the email ..
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[22:32:39] <myrick> mh, geek_cl
[22:33:28] <geek_cl> myryck: put inet_interfaces = all
[22:33:42] <myrick> kk, is that the problem you think ?
[22:33:59] <SomethingISODD> hello all i am having a problem i add to my master.cfg file  smtp inet n - n - - smtpd  -o content_filter=spamfilter:dummy I keep getting line 82: bad transport type: content_filter=spamfilter:dummy
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[22:34:22] <SomethingISODD> i was wonder if anyone can help out
[22:34:47] <myrick> erm geek_cl ..
[22:35:09] <myrick> really strange now i got the email .. and then all emails were not shown ...
[22:36:07] <lunaphyte_> myrick: it's unlikely you need verbose logging atm.  it's probably serving only to obfuscate the problem.  you are aliasing email addresses to root?
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[22:37:03] <myrick> now .. it's a virtual mbox & user postmaster, i can successfull login but don't get the email ..
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[22:37:24] <myrick> it always says something with root but the mailadress should be postmaster at my-rick dot de lunaphyte_ ;)
[22:37:37] <dantix> hi all, my server was replied to some connection with: Out: 451 Error: queue file write error, but I cannot find anything related in logs, what can be wrong?
[22:38:24] <myrick> i use cyrus & saslauth & postfix with openmailadmin ... and yeah .. it was also not easy to configure all of them and fix the errors .. :(
[22:38:36] <lunaphyte_> myrick: well turn your logging down and pastebin again.
[22:39:00] <myrick> but now .. the big last problem is i think the delivery problem .. ok erm .. where i set verbose=1 :P I forgot the conf file.
[22:39:28] <myrick> lunaphyte_ ;) ?
[22:39:33] <lunaphyte_> !debug
[22:39:34] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[22:40:34] <lunaphyte_> if you remembered setting verbose=1 somewhere, i'd say you were in the wrong channel.
[22:41:47] <SomethingISODD> can someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/d26e3d55e please
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[22:43:08] <SomethingISODD> if anyone can tell me what i am doing wrong it would be Great
[22:43:50] <myrick> http://rafb.net/p/vU2pk737.html lunaphyte_
[22:46:35] <myrick> ok now .. thats the whole thing: http://rafb.net/p/OKDlHk92.html lunaphyte_ =(
[22:49:53] <lunaphyte_> oh, so you're doing delivery via maildrop?
[22:50:37] <myrick> maildrop ?
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[22:52:17] <myrick> What you mean lunaphyte_ .. I'm sorry, I think i never installed something like "maildrop" ? I'm a Beginner in configuring mailserver(s).
[22:52:50] <lunaphyte_> show the output of postconf -n and your master.cf file.
[22:55:42] <myrick> First Thank you lunaphyte_ for helping me, ... http://rafb.net/p/TJr52485.html
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[22:58:07] <GasBill> gurus-> I want to have all addresses in a domain (anybody at domain dot in.question) piped to a script - can do with postfix?
[22:59:19] <lunaphyte_> myrick: you have mailbox_transport = cyrus, so mail is delivered using cyrdeliver, as specified in master.cf.  i've never used that program before, so i'm not sure how helpful i'll be.
[23:00:00] <myrick> I'm sure you are more helpful as I am :P
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[23:00:14] <myrick> Erm, should i post the cyrus confs ?
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[23:01:55] <SomethingISODD> i am sorry for being a pest i know everyone is busy
[23:02:11] <SomethingISODD> but i cant fix this issue, and i really need to get it working as i am getting way to much spam
[23:02:14] <myrick> erm .. I never set relevant confs to cyrus because in the tutorial i followed only 4 or 5 config lines i had to set .. Are you sure that cyrus is the problem lunaphyte_ ?
[23:04:33] <myrick> but i really don't know why he want to send the emails to root@ instead of the email .. orig to: root, recipient: postmaster .. and always the info with root doesn't exist ..
[23:06:01] * devdas pokes rob0
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[23:08:50] <GasBill> gurus-> I want to have all addresses in a domain (anystuff at domain dot in.question) piped to a script - can do with postfix?
[23:11:23] <cite> GasBill: Yes, rewrite everything in domain.in.question to a local address using virtual_alias_maps, then add an alias to /etc/aliases pointing to a script.
[23:12:02] <cite> GasBill: You can also try declaring domain.in.question as a relay_domain, define a "pipe" type transport in master.cf and then reroute all mails through this transport using a transpor_maps entry.
[23:12:21] <GasBill> cite, thank you - will the original recipient name be accessible in the processing script?
[23:13:04] <cite> GasBill: Ich you go for the second option, yes. If you do it wrong with option one (i.e., using a content_filter and doign address rewriting twice), then no.
[23:13:09] <cite> s/Ich/If/
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[23:13:43] <GasBill> So I need to use option two, is what I'm "hearing", eh?
[23:14:54] <cite> GasBill: Option one is by far more easy to set up. Try it first. The original recipient should be in the X-Original-To: header
[23:15:22] <GasBill> I see - thank you very much - I will mess around...
[23:15:45] <myrick> lunaphyte_ now i added the user root and i got the mail .. strange
[23:16:45] <cite> GasBill: Erm. Waitaminit.
[23:16:54] <GasBill> OK
[23:17:26] <cite> GasBill: If you go for option one, your script has to be able to cope with a situation where it is called more than once. I.e., you have to make sure to use unique temporary files and so on.
[23:17:29] <rob0> devdas: ouch
[23:18:32] <devdas> rob0: wrt hparker's problem
[23:18:33] <GasBill> Understand - thanks for the caveat - I think I will be working in memory only
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[23:18:42] <devdas> I changed 10024 -> 2024 and it worked
[23:19:23] <GasBill> I am porting a perl script that manages relay to a list with mysql from a box with sendmail
[23:19:28] <GasBill> thanks again
[23:19:33] <cite> GasBill: Good luck!
[23:20:50] <rob0> hmmm
[23:21:32] <cite> This is totally off-topic, but d I have to take any special measures to ensure address harvesting bots will harvest mail addresses published on a website correctly?
[23:22:07] <jduggan> you mean wont?
[23:22:15] <cite> I always thought it would be sufficient to place a link like <mailto:xxx.yyy at example dot org>. But this doesn't work at all, the address get's truncated.
[23:22:36] <cite> jduggan: Nope, "will". As in "I want to burn mailbox addresses."
[23:22:43] <jduggan> oh right
[23:22:46] <jduggan> for what purpose?
[23:22:47] <jduggan> :O
[23:23:04] <cite> So, instead of xxx.yyy, they truncated the localpart to yyy, breaking the scheme in which I encoded IP and timestamp of the harvesting.
[23:23:21] <cite> jduggan: Field research.
[23:23:31] <jduggan> fair enough
[23:24:36] <myrick> pls anyone know what could be the problem why cyrus always drops mails to:root at domain dot com, orig_to: myrealmail at domain dot com .. i've set a mail now with root@ and get ALL emails to it .. but not orig_to: themailiwillgetit ..
[23:25:37] <rob0> devdas: LOL, that was my fault, try "iptables-save"
[23:26:20] <devdas> Uh?
[23:26:28] <devdas> the 10024 thing?
[23:26:35] <devdas> there were no active rules
[23:26:47] <myrick> I would be so glad for an info =( i know i don't want to disturb you but pls .. I'm searching for hours now ..
[23:27:18] <devdas> myrick: perhaps the cyrus-imap list?
[23:27:28] * devdas is tired
[23:27:35] <devdas> It's nearly 3 am
[23:27:36] <GasBill> cite, I probably missed something too subtle for me, but the X-Original-To header is showing the rewritten address...
[23:27:45] <GasBill> is there something I should look for?
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[23:27:57] <myrick> ok so in the /etc/default/imapd.conf or devdas ?
[23:28:14] <rob0> I redirected it to 10023
[23:29:00] <rob0> and I *did* tell hparker about that, but he must have been in a drunken stupor
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[23:30:00] <devdas> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[23:30:16] <devdas> rob0: iptables -L -n was showing nothing
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[23:30:21] <devdas> oh wait, -t nat?
[23:30:24] <devdas> no
[23:30:33] <devdas> Damn!
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[23:32:14] <myrick> devdas can could you help me if i post the imapd.conf ?
[23:32:22] <cite> GasBill: Are you using a content_filter?
[23:33:05] <myrick> * - could ..
[23:33:09] * GasBill shuffles and mumbles
[23:33:12] <GasBill> I dunno
[23:33:14] <devdas> myrick: I am sorry, it is 3 AM, and I have had a _long_ day
[23:33:27] <myrick> devdas at me it is 23:00 :P
[23:33:31] <devdas> If I was fresh, I could have possibly tried
[23:33:47] <myrick> in austria =) but i have to get it working today ..
[23:33:51] <cite> GasBill: erm, you should really know that.
[23:33:52] <devdas> I suggest the cyrus-imap mailing list
[23:33:59] <devdas> or a local LUG
[23:34:02] <GasBill> I know - uh - maybe like spamassassion
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[23:34:08] <GasBill> u know how it is...
[23:34:09] <cite> GasBill: For example, yes.
[23:34:17] <GasBill> uh - yeah -
[23:34:21] <GasBill> OK...
[23:34:38] <GasBill> my bad - so I'm stuck with option two?
[23:34:42] <cite> GasBill: So what is the output of postconf content_filter?
[23:34:43] <rob0> Yeah, sorry, it was a quick fix last week
[23:34:46] <myrick> mh ... i dont understand this sh** why it always will send all emails to root at domain dot com and orig.to: THERAILADRESS at domain dot com
[23:35:07] <myrick> eh mean deliver .. not send receive ;)
[23:35:17] <GasBill> cite, sorry - I'm a novice with postfix - following slowly
[23:35:26] <myrick> and i i login with root i get all the mails ..
[23:35:40] <cite> GasBill: Open a terminal and enter "postconf content_filter" ;)
[23:35:40] <devdas> myrick: is there a catchall alias?
[23:35:43] <GasBill> root@abode:~ # postconf content_filter
[23:35:44] <GasBill> content_filter =
[23:35:51] <GasBill> looks null
[23:35:54] <myrick> where i see that ?
[23:36:04] <myrick> devdas .. ?
[23:36:04] <GasBill> but I am running spamassassin
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[23:36:16] <devdas> myrick: in virtual_alias_maps?
[23:36:18] <GasBill> I just don't know how the pieces fit together
[23:36:58] <GasBill> devdas, got me again - I will lookysee...
[23:36:59] <cite> GasBill: Ok, please use a pastebin or nopaste service and show the output of postconf -n there.
[23:37:20] <cite> !tell GasBill pastebin
[23:37:45] <myrick> erm no devdas ..
[23:38:03] <myrick> maybe root have to be admins: cyrus root in the conf file of it ?
[23:38:11] * hparker kix rob0
[23:38:12] <myrick> but in my tutorial i followed it was only admins: cyrus
[23:38:53] <rob0> hparker was too drunk to inflict much pain
[23:38:54] <GasBill> tis here... http://rafb.net/p/KKNkW083.html
[23:38:54] <devdas> myrick: what do the postfix logs say?
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[23:39:35] <sirus> How can i add more domains for email ?
[23:40:16] <myrick> postfix/pipe[14681]: D7E1317B45: to=<root at mail dot my-rick.de>, orig_to=<postmaster at my-rick dot de>, relay=cyrus, delay=0.19, delays=0.16/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=5.6.0, status=bounced (data format error. Command output: root: Mailbox does not exist )
[23:40:22] <myrick> devdas =(
[23:40:43] <devdas> postmaster is aliased to root in alias_maps
[23:40:56] <devdas> and you have no user root in Cyrus
[23:41:11] <cite> GasBill: I don't have ANY clue why your you see a rewritten address in X-Original-To. You could paste the complete log, from the moment a mail enters your system till it get's delivered to that script on nopaste.
[23:41:15] <myrick> why is that aliased to root ?
[23:41:36] <devdas> that's the default
[23:41:44] <myrick> but if i send a email to schatz@ or blabal@ i get the same error
[23:41:54] <devdas> my-rick.de is in mydestination, right?
[23:42:15] <myrick> erm wait i think yeah
[23:42:29] <GasBill> cite, I am stumbling along to gather this info - thanks for the help...
[23:43:31] <cite> GasBill: Well, it should all be in a location like /var/log/mail.log - if you use tail -f on that file, hit Enter a few times and then send that mail, it should be pretty easy ;)
[23:43:48] <GasBill> I know - I've got it - pasting now....
[23:43:56] <myrick> yeah devdas now it says
[23:43:59] * devdas bets myrick has a catchall somewhere
[23:44:06] <myrick> May 22 23:43:32 my-rick postfix/pipe[14812]: 85F6617B2A: to=<schatz at mail dot my-rick.de>, orig_to=<schatz at my-rick dot de>, relay=cyrus, delay=0.2, delays=0.16/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via cyrus service)
[23:44:07] <myrick> May 22 23:43:32 my-rick postfix/qmgr[11886]: 85F6617B2A: removed
[23:44:35] <GasBill> cite, It is here: http://rafb.net/p/czQPoS38.html
[23:44:39] <myrick> but i not get the mail in my mail client .. mh
[23:44:51] <donspaulding> are header checks run after the Q ID is known?  are they logged together?
[23:44:58] <GasBill> But no evidence of original email address of banana at relay dot cosi.net
[23:45:01] <devdas> It was handed off to Cyrus-IMAP
[23:45:07] <devdas> donspaulding: yes, yes
[23:45:25] <devdas> GasBill: you are rewriting before the content_filter
[23:45:32] <myrick> strange if i quit the mail prog from apple and start it again it loads my mails .. with receive button not devdas
[23:45:48] <devdas> myrick: it works now
[23:45:54] * GasBill looks about dim-wittedly
[23:45:56] <devdas> right?
[23:46:06] <GasBill> devdas, uh, ok
[23:46:11] <myrick> yeah but i think i've set a receive limit or something
[23:46:31] <devdas> GasBill: and you do a reinjection via smtpd
[23:46:55] <donspaulding> devdas: actually I'm not sure, I just found one in my logfiles, and it doesn't appear to have the QID on the same line....
[23:46:56] <donspaulding> May  8 20:26:23 mta1 postfix/cleanup[22431]: cleanup_header_callback: 'Subject:
[23:46:57] <myrick> the last problem devdas: if i restart a session with my apple mail client i receive the mails .. but not when i am connected
[23:46:59] <GasBill> Yeah, I follow the concept...
[23:47:10] <devdas> So you get original-recipient -> smtpd == rewritten-recipient -> filter -> smtpd -> LDA which sees only the 'rewritten-recipient' bit
[23:47:19] <GasBill> So I'm catching on.  Now to a solution...
[23:47:32] <devdas> myrick: that's a cyrus-imap or Apple client issue
[23:47:37] <GasBill> devdas, right
[23:47:43] <cite> GasBill: What you can do is modifying master.cf
[23:47:55] <GasBill> uh-huh?
[23:48:06] <GasBill> I hate that file!
[23:48:07] <cite> GasBill: There will be a line which starts with "smtp" and ends in "smtpd".
[23:48:10] <devdas> GasBill, either rewrite post filter, use a smtpd_proxy_filter, or use a policy daemon to log each recipient into the headers (breaks bcc)
[23:48:15] <GasBill> I'm looking...
[23:48:19] <cite> That's usually the first line.
[23:48:20] <myrick> ok devdas thank you !
[23:48:26] <myrick> have you to work tomorrow devdas ?
[23:48:36] <devdas> In about 6 hours
[23:48:52] <cite> GasBill: The part which reads "smtpd" needs to be modified to "smtpd -o receive_override_options = no_address_mappings"
[23:48:56] <GasBill> cite, indeed there is
[23:49:03] <myrick> ok .. can you write through icq or msn in your workplace ?
[23:49:16] <cite> GasBill: You will DEFINITELY want to add a "soft_bounce=yes" to you main.cf BEFORE you change that one!
[23:49:22] <devdas> I can IRC
[23:49:44] * devdas == f3ew from work
[23:50:04] <cite> GasBill: So, first edit main.cf, add the line with "soft_bounce=yes", then edit master.cf, modify that "smtpd" entry, execute "postfix reload" and try again.
[23:50:14] <GasBill> reloading now...
[23:50:19] <myrick> ok ... can you help me tomorrow with my smtp problem :P ?
[23:50:26] <myrick> ok tomorrow i mean later :) ?
[23:50:35] <cite> GasBill: Erm. Please tell me you added that soft_bounce line...
[23:50:56] <GasBill> I did, but I made a mistake in the other place...
[23:50:59] <GasBill> standby
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[23:51:22] <GasBill> May 22 17:50:27 abode postfix/smtpd[31775]: fatal: unexpected command-line argument: =
[23:51:30] <cite> GasBill: MY FAULT.
[23:51:49] <cite> GasBill: There meay not be spaces around "=". Now it is " = " - delete those spaces.
[23:51:50] * GasBill whistle sighs of relief
[23:51:53] <devdas> yes
[23:51:53] <wladek> if i have postfix running in a chroot'd environment how do it to forward to any entries a user may have in their ~/.forward file
[23:51:54] <GasBill> OK
[23:52:07] <cite> GasBill: mtpd -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings
[23:52:11] <cite> smtpd, even
[23:52:12] <myrick> thank you devdas =)
[23:52:26] <GasBill> testing
[23:52:41] <cite> wladek: The local delivery agent is not running chrooted, is it?
[23:53:03] <GasBill> cite, ack - seems like same result - lemme double-check I got everything done...
[23:53:20] <wladek> i havent actually set anything up.. i'm just inquiring if it can be done
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[23:53:35] <cite> wladek: This won't be a problem.
[23:53:46] <devdas> wladek: local(8) does not run chrooted
[23:53:47] <wladek> cool
[23:53:54] <myrick> ah devdas .. thats my problem: May 22 23:53:36 my-rick postfix/smtpd[15256]: lost connection after EHLO from unknown[87.247.212.12]
[23:54:03] <wladek> it will be chrooted.. but in a chroot where my users are
[23:54:17] <devdas> myrick: that's a network issue
[23:54:35] <GasBill> cite, bingo
[23:54:57] <cite> GasBill: It works?
[23:55:00] <GasBill> beautiful - very generous of you
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[23:55:14] <GasBill> yes, original address is in the header...
[23:55:35] <GasBill> Now I just need to change some code in the orignal script to find it for processing as before...
[23:55:36] <cite> GasBill: If it works now, try sending mails to real mailboxes you use on that server to make sure this change didn't break anything (it really shouldn't, but bsts).
[23:55:53] <myrick> kk the last question devdas: WARNING: sieve script /var/spool/sieve/s/schatz/defaultbc doesn't exist: No such file or directory
[23:55:56] <GasBill> Agree.  I was thinking the same thing....
[23:56:03] <cite> GasBill: If those tests are successful and you can still receive mail, you may remove/comment that line with soft_bounce and do another "postfix reload".
[23:56:08] <GasBill> But it's not a production server (yet)
[23:56:14] <myrick> could that be the mail receive problem or:  service lmtpunix pid 15306 in BUSY state: now serving connection
[23:56:36] <devdas> myrick: neither is
[23:56:38] <GasBill> I also need to do some reading to figure out what the hell I just did - exactly.  Thanks again.  I owe you.
[23:57:04] <GasBill> thanks to you too, devda
[23:57:20] <myrick> i think devdas is somethink with the cyrus/master service and the 0 worker 1 workers ...
[23:57:43] <myrick> because if i quit apple mail .. it is 0 worker and then login 1 - 4 workers .. and i receive only for the first time the mails
[23:57:46] <GasBill> s/devda/devdas/
[23:58:27] <DanielX> hello
[23:58:30] <DanielX> i need help
[23:58:39] <cite> GasBill: Getting things like milters and address mappings right when you reinject mail locally is not that easy, so don't worry, it will become clear ;)
[23:58:43] <DanielX> i configure postfix with mysql
[23:58:51] <DanielX> but... my log say
[23:59:09] <DanielX> fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or director
[23:59:29] <devdas> run newaliasew
[23:59:32] <devdas> newaliases
[23:59:34] <GasBill> cite, that's what I'm afraid of (;
[23:59:48] <GasBill> cite, FYI, local address delivery still works OK...





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