[00:00:07] <rob0> no, find the place where it feels most at home
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[00:00:17] <bancus__1> Well, obviously.
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[00:00:26] <bancus__1> But what do I do to smtpd_recipient_restrictions?
[00:00:34] <rob0> nothing
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[00:00:48] <rob0> are you already using zen?
[00:00:51] <Jax> rob0 where do you have ips.backscatterer.org listed then?
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[00:01:17] <rob0> I don't use it. I might, temporarily, if under attack.
[00:01:23] <bancus__1> I'm not using zen.
[00:01:36] <Jax> well, 99% gets caught by zen anyway
[00:01:40] <seekwill> Can you only apply backscatterer.org for bounces?
[00:02:01] <seekwill> So still accept all connections up to the mailfrom?
[00:02:02] <timboy> I've got a question. my webmail account sends mail fine but when I set up my account in outlook I get the messages back with saying it "was considered unsolicited bulk e-mail (UBE)."
[00:02:17] <rob0> check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/backscatter
[00:02:31] <seekwill> Cool
[00:02:34] <Jax> i got a problem with my thunderbird too.. all folders (sent mail, trash, etc) appear UNDER inbox, instead of on the same level....
[00:02:42] <rob0> /etc/postfix/backscatter : <> reject_rbl_client ips.backscatterer.org
[00:03:01] <bancus__1> Is this in addition to the reject_rbl_client command?
[00:03:04] <rob0> but that won't work until smtpd_sender_restrictions
[00:03:18] <bancus__1> Well, I already have
[00:03:19] <bancus__1> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination
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[00:03:32] <rob0> !zen
[00:03:32] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[00:03:41] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[00:03:41] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[00:03:54] <timboy> I've never seen this before but it never fails from outlook... is it an outlook issue? or is it an issue with my mail server?
[00:04:02] <habnabit_> My server runs 'postfix stop' on shutdown, but when it starts up again, I'm getting 'integrity check failed' errors. What do I need to do to preserve integrity between restarts?
[00:04:05] <timboy> the dot code is 5.7.1
[00:04:16] <timboy> nothing shows in error log
[00:05:40] <Jax> anybody experience similar problems?
[00:06:52] <timboy> jax, not that I know of. My sister uses outlook 2003 and has no issues...
[00:07:03] <Jax> well its probly more a Courier problem ;)
[00:07:39] <habnabit_> Jax: dovecot is nicer anyway.
[00:07:43] <timboy> Jax i'm at his place now trying to figure it out. I've checked everything I know how to...
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[00:09:08] <timboy> jax, not that I know of. My sister uses outlook 2003 and has no issues...
[00:09:13] <timboy> oops sorry
[00:09:20] <Jax> (is timboy a bot?) ;)
[00:09:42] <timboy> Jax timboy was going back through his posts
[00:10:03] <timboy> lol no ideas?
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[00:12:30] <donspaulding> does always_bcc send errors back to the sender if Postfix can't send the mail to the bcc address?
[00:12:54] <Jax> ahh fixed it
[00:13:04] <Jax> in thuderbird there's an option "Imap server directory" i set it to INBOX
[00:13:05] <Jax> then it worked
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[00:17:11] <iNick> donspaulding: the docs say what happens.  http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html
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[00:18:03] <timboy> figured out that Outlook 2007 is homosexual...
[00:18:19] <iNick> you just found out?
[00:18:21] <donspaulding> iNick: duh, sorry bout that.  Can that be changed?
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[00:18:26] <iNick> :P
[00:18:52] <iNick> only way I can think of is to hack postfix code yourself
[00:18:54] <iNick> :)
[00:20:08] <donspaulding> hrm, I'm able to override the transport to specify a next hop for that specific mail address, I was wondering if there was something similar on the way back.
[00:20:34] <bancus_> Hey, having now been a victim of backscatter, does postfix come set up to not backscatter itself/
[00:20:43] <bancus_> And if not, how can I tell it to not be a dick?
[00:21:19] <rob0> In software terms I think that's a very appropriate analogy. MS Outhouse works best with MSexChange, so you might indeed liken the lack of interoperability to homosexuality.
[00:21:45] <rob0> !backscatter
[00:21:45] <knoba> rob0: "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
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[00:21:50] <rob0> !address_classes
[00:21:51] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[00:22:16] <rob0> By default Postfix will not accept mail for invalid users.
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[00:39:50] <adv> should i put in $mydestination an A entry or M??
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[00:51:17] <donspaulding> can I use master.cf to start up my own services?
[00:53:58] <growltiger_> sure
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[01:01:28] <adv> is there a quick startup tutorial?
[01:02:40] <gnot_> hello everyone
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[01:03:35] <gnot_> i spent many hours yesterday in order to find a way to exclude certain email messages from passing through the content-filter, but i did not find any solution
[01:04:02] <gnot_> note that what i needed to do is to exclude the emails at the MTA level, without entering the filter at all
[01:04:28] <gnot_> if anyone knows how to do this or if it is not possible at all, i would appreciate it
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[01:10:17] <sahil> gnot: have you posted the output of postconf -n to a pastebin?
[01:10:57] <sahil> gnot: if you want to avoid content_filter altogether, you can use "FILTER" to route email directly to the re-injection port, for example, if you are using postfix.  it's hard to suggest solutions without a better understanding of your current setup.
[01:11:21] <sahil> adv: yes, http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[01:11:29] <gnot> sahil, no but i just found out that these things were just in front of me but i did not see it
[01:11:52] <gnot> sahil, it is explained at the bottom part of http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html
[01:12:01] <sahil> gnot: correct.
[01:12:16] <sahil> so you are all set?
[01:12:28] <gnot> sahil, i guess yes
[01:12:35] <gnot> sahil, thanks :)
[01:13:02] <sahil> np.
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[02:11:56] <adv> what do i need to change to the default configuration in order to host a mailserver at mail.mysite.com?
[02:14:40] <mwalling> !basic
[02:14:41] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[02:19:23] <mudd`Hossam> i am trying to use smtp.gmail.com as a relaysmarthost and i keep getting this error on outbound mails
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[02:19:36] <mudd`Hossam> host smtp.gmail.com[209.85.201.111] said: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. 28sm1393242wfd.4 (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
[02:21:43] <sahil> adv: that BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README has been linked to you twice; please read it.
[02:21:58] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: post your postconf -n to a pastebin for starters.
[02:23:12] <adv> sahil: yes but i don't know if i just need to add the domain to mydestination
[02:23:15] <adv> is that it?
[02:23:34] <sahil> it depends on your requirements; read the document carefully and then ask a specific question -- i cannot read your mind. :P
[02:23:42] <adv> also how can i add accounts? like user2 at mydomain dot com
[02:23:51] <mudd`Hossam> http://pastebin.ca/1024382
[02:23:58] <sahil> that also depends on whether you will have local user accounts for each email address or not.
[02:24:32] <adv> sahil: local? you mean not bouncing the mails to another server?
[02:25:03] <sahil> adv: no, i mean will each user be a distinct unix user account, or will you have users in some sort of flat file, or a mysql database, et cetera.
[02:25:11] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: hang, let me check.
[02:25:53] <adv> sahil: what's the most common setup?
[02:26:31] <adv>     mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost $mail.mysite.com
[02:26:32] <sahil> adv: i don't know; but anecdotally, many seem to set things up such that each user has his or her own unix account, with the shell obviously set to nologin.
[02:27:01] <sahil> and if you're going to serve email for (i.e. be the MX) mysite.com, that would need to go there as well, all else equal.
[02:27:14] <adv> sahil: should i have that for receiving and sending email from usertest at mail dot mysite.com
[02:27:15] <adv> correct?
[02:27:42] <sahil> adv: you really need to read the basic documentation. :/
[02:27:49] <adv> i did :/
[02:28:05] <sahil> yes, that should work.  try it; if it doesn't, check logs and debug.
[02:28:20] <adv> ok
[02:28:38] <adv> sahil: oh and a reference to adding the user accounts please ?
[02:29:04] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: im not sure why starttls isnt being sent to smtp.gmail.com i have smtpd_use_tls = yes
[02:29:19] <mudd`Hossam> sahil:  among other commands
[02:29:39] <mudd`Hossam> .pems, .cet, etc
[02:30:08] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: you don't need pems or certs.  you read the TLS_README?
[02:30:17] <adv> sahil: do i need to make a change to /etc/hosts too?
[02:30:24] <adv> for the domain to apply?
[02:30:32] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: where can i find this?
[02:31:02] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: postfix.org/documentation.html
[02:31:11] <sahil> adv: i don't understand.
[02:31:12] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: nvm http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html
[02:33:07] <adv> can i deliver/receive email with a A dns entry?
[02:33:20] <adv> or do i need to have MX ?
[02:33:30] <sahil> adv: you don't need an MX for postfix to receive email, no.
[02:33:53] <adv> but MX has an A record as a prerequisite ,right?
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[02:39:50] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: all set?
[02:40:07] <mudd`Hossam> sahil:  enabled all the commands in that file
[02:40:14] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: what about smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes?
[02:40:24] <mudd`Hossam> sahil:  nothing, same error, but i think its my master.cf im gonna mess with that
[02:40:30] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: yes enabled that
[02:40:38] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: hope its the master.cf
[02:40:42] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: follow the gmail-specific guide here: http://bookmarks.honewatson.com/2008/04/20/postfix-gmail-smtp-relay/ and ignore the pem/cert info.
[02:40:55] <sahil> no, do not touch your master.cf unless you already mucked with it.
[02:40:56] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: thanks
[02:41:03] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: ok
[02:41:20] <sahil> i do not see smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer in your pastebin.
[02:41:41] <sahil> and it defaults to no, so are you sure you had it enabled?
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[02:42:39] <adv> does wietse ever come in this channel?
[02:42:44] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: yea i added that after the pastebin after reading the tls documentation
[02:42:52] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: didt a postfix restart, still nothing
[02:43:37] <sahil> those settings work fine for me, so you did something else somewhere.
[02:43:43] <sahil> did you try to send a new email?
[02:44:47] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: dang changes to master.cf didnt work either
[02:45:17] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: heres a new pastebin
[02:46:26] * mudd`Hossam waits for pastebin to think....
[02:47:15] <mudd`Hossam> sahil:  http://pastebin.ca/1024403
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[02:50:14] <victori_> (temporary failure. Command output: sendmail: fatal: chdir /opt/csw/var/spool/postfix: Permission denied ) ... postfix is set to 777
[02:50:29] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: i get immediate failure e-mail from gmail, arghh
[02:50:30] <victori_> I give up playing the permission games with postfix, anyway to fix this?
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[02:52:10] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: gotta go for a few thanks for all the help!
[02:54:05] <victori_> anyone have an idea I can try?
[02:55:32] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: that's odd.  let's troubleshoot when you're back; this was easy to setup here. :)
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[03:10:52] <arooni> i'd like to send mail to a SMTP server that requires TLS encryption.  but for privacy i'd like to do it through a proxy so that the SMTP server doesn't see the originating IP address.  are there libraries/methods for this?
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[03:22:06] <mjoseph> arooni: huh?
[03:22:16] <mjoseph> weren't you here asking about this a few weeks ago?
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[03:24:24] <arooni> perhaps?
[03:24:29] <arooni> its been a more recent issue
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[03:38:05] <arooni> mjoseph, could postfix be used for this
[03:39:30] <mjoseph> nothing can be used for this
[03:39:42] <mjoseph> you want your outbound mx
[03:39:45] <mjoseph> the mail gateway for your site
[03:39:57] <mjoseph> to have it's IP not show up when it sends mail through another MX?
[03:40:44] <rob0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_remailer
[03:40:54] <mjoseph> heh
[03:41:21] <mjoseph> do you really consider mixmaster a reasonable smarthost for an MX? :)
[03:42:13] <rob0> well ... no
[03:42:34] <rob0> If he's a spammer it won't scale well
[03:42:45] <mjoseph> i'm betting he's a spammer
[03:42:52] <rob0> could be
[03:43:13] <rob0> or a disgruntled Microsoft employee ;)
[03:43:20] * mjoseph chuckles
[03:43:22] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: back and ready to go whenever you are
[03:46:34] <sahil> mudd`Hossam: hi.  so where are we now?
[03:46:43] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: HAH! all these damn commands did something! i disabled relayhost and now i can send to hotmail and everywhere else without the need for a smarthost relay
[03:46:46] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: BOOYA
[03:47:26] <sahil> um, ok.
[03:47:34] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: lol
[03:47:42] <sahil> you don't *need* to use a relayhost if you can just let postfix send to other mail servers directly. :P
[03:47:54] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: it wasnt working before, mail was rejected
[03:48:13] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: looks like these extra commands helped
[03:48:37] <mudd`Hossam> sahil:  if i wish to re-send e-mail sent out prior to this change how can i do that best?
[03:48:55] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: just go into the roundcube client and forward the e-mails?
[03:48:56] <sahil> postsuper -r
[03:49:29] <mudd`Hossam> ok
[03:49:59] <mudd`Hossam> sahil:  how can i check the queue?
[03:50:05] <mudd`Hossam> sahil: the id's rather
[03:51:15] <sahil> mailq
[03:51:34] <mudd`Hossam> thanks
[03:51:39] <sahil> or you can just requeue all mail.  you should become familiar with man postsuper(1).
[03:51:48] <mudd`Hossam> will do
[03:57:57] <arooni> i'm not a spammer
[03:58:40] <Dominian> postqueue -p
[03:59:50] <arooni> sounds like relay host is the way to go
[04:00:54] <arooni> can i have a postfix server running on my ubuntu box that all it does is pass mails to the SMTP server via TLS encryption by way of the relay host?
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[04:08:24] <seekwill> Yes
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[04:09:41] <lkthomas> hey guys
[04:10:13] <lkthomas> May 21 09:59:48 mail postfix/smtpd[6844]: SSL_accept:SSLv3 read client hello B
[04:10:14] <lkthomas> May 21 09:59:48 mail postfix/smtpd[6844]: SSL_accept:SSLv3 write server hello A
[04:10:14] <lkthomas> May 21 09:59:48 mail postfix/smtpd[6844]: SSL_accept:SSLv3 write certificate A
[04:10:14] <lkthomas> May 21 09:59:48 mail postfix/smtpd[6844]: SSL_accept:SSLv3 write server done A
[04:10:19] <lkthomas> anyone have any idea why ?
[04:11:25] <sahil> arooni: yes.
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[04:13:46] <arooni> sahil, so do these open relay hosts exist at all?
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[04:15:17] <sahil> arooni: what do you mean?
[04:15:33] <arooni> sahil, are there any freely available?  or do i have to pay for my own
[04:17:05] <sahil> arooni: open relays == bad.
[04:17:07] <seekwill> Any freely available would be blacklisted...
[04:17:23] <sahil> arooni: why don't you just setup a gmail account and relay through that?  or use your ISP.
[04:17:43] <arooni> because i think gmail has limits for how many emails you can send from a given ip address
[04:17:53] <seekwill> How many are you trying to send out?
[04:18:00] <arooni> like a couple hundred a day
[04:18:09] <seekwill> What kind of mail?
[04:18:16] <arooni> opt in only
[04:18:18] <arooni> newsletters & such
[04:18:59] <seekwill> I might be able to help.
[04:19:16] <seekwill> Depending on what kind of newsletters
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[04:41:43] <lvictor> hi a tray to do REJECT  mail from one person to + 20 person in rcpt
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[04:42:27] <lvictor> a first check de #postconf and see default_destination_recipient_limit = 50 but
[04:43:34] <lvictor> this dont do it REJECT
[04:45:07] <lvictor> just / mesange
[04:47:35] <ejos> greetings!
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[05:05:26] <gnot> can someone please explain to me in plain english what is the 'nexthop destination' in transport(5)? Why would it be needed to specify it? Assuming this syntax: 'trnasportA:nexthopB' Isn't transportA enough to decide the email message's destination?
[05:05:50] <Dominian> not in all cases
[05:06:13] <Dominian> I have virtual users.. but I have a few that use IMAP sieve filters.. so I have a different transport for them.. and I have a transport for mailman
[05:06:26] <Dominian> and everything else uses the default virtual transport
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[05:06:47] <lvictor> hi please help ..a try to do REJECT  mail from one person to + 20 person in rcpt
[05:06:56] <lvictor> a first check de #postconf and see default_destination_recipient_limit = 50 but
[05:06:56] <lvictor>  this dont do it REJECT
[05:06:56] <lvictor>  just / mesange
[05:07:12] <Dominian> huh?
[05:08:02] <gnot> Dominian, but still.. do you need to specify a nexthop destination for this?
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[05:09:55] <Dominian> well..
[05:10:01] <Dominian> it baasically looks like this:
[05:10:05] <sahil> gnot: read http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html; there are examples that show transport map usage.
[05:10:12] <Dominian> dominian at slackadelic dot com dovecot
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[05:10:28] <Dominian> dominian at slackadelic dot com dovecot:
[05:10:39] <Dominian> just tells the server "anything to dominian at slackadelic dot com send through the dovecot transport"
[05:10:44] <gnot> sahil, thanks. i will do
[05:11:17] <ejos> greetings!
[05:11:29] <gnot> Dominian, sure. but this implies that the nexthop destination does not get changed.
[05:12:10] <Dominian> eh
[05:12:13] <Dominian> why would th enexthop change?
[05:12:22] <gnot> Dominian, if it was:  someone at example dot org  dovecot:123.123.123.123:25   what would it mean?
[05:12:52] <Dominian> it would mean use the dovecot service to deliverto 123.123.123.123 port 25
[05:13:03] <Dominian> but you would use dovecot to do that.... so its moot.
[05:13:06] <Dominian> er.. wouldn't
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[05:13:20] <Dominian> !transport
[05:13:21] <knoba> Dominian: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[05:13:22] <Dominian> !basic
[05:13:22] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[05:13:38] <ejos> hi! i have a little problem, i need to block mail from one (1) sender to n number or rcpt, so could do anybody help me?
[05:13:43] <Dominian> But if your nexthop is
[05:13:46] <Dominian> changing all the time..
[05:13:53] <Dominian> then you shouldn't be using transport imho
[05:14:05] <gnot> Dominian, sahil: ok i will study those documents better. thanks so far for all the help
[05:14:08] <Dominian> or at least make the nexthop a DNS A record.
[05:14:13] <Dominian> gnot: no problem
[05:14:27] <gnot> Dominian, thanks
[05:14:31] <Dominian> !sender_access
[05:14:32] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "sender_access" is not a valid command.
[05:14:33] <Dominian> damn it
[05:14:35] <Dominian> !sender
[05:14:36] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "sender" is not a valid command.
[05:14:46] <sahil> ejos: what?  give an example
[05:14:47] <sahil> Dominian: lol
[05:15:03] <Dominian> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[05:15:07] <Dominian> !verification
[05:15:07] <knoba> Dominian: "verification" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html : the Postfix verify(8) server
[05:15:12] <Dominian> oye
[05:15:29] <Dominian> !learn sender_access as http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[05:15:33] <Dominian> !sender_access
[05:15:34] <knoba> Dominian: "sender_access" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[05:15:43] <Dominian> There
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[05:16:49] <ejos> ok, sahil: i wanna block something like: one sender send a mail to 20 people, so i wanna block that, i just wanna permit only one (1) sender to 10 rcpt no more.
[05:18:33] <lvictor> ejos: in postcof you see   default_destination_recipient_limit = 50 but
[05:18:35] <lvictor>   this dont do it REJECT just divede the msg.
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[05:18:58] <sahil> lvictor: english.
[05:19:22] <Dominian> !limit
[05:19:23] <knoba> Dominian: Error: You don't have the #postfix,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[05:19:29] <Dominian> argh
[05:19:31] <Dominian> !limits
[05:19:31] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "limits" is not a valid command.
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[05:19:42] <Dominian> stupid fscking bot
[05:20:03] <Dominian> smtpd_client_recipient_rate_limit
[05:20:16] <Dominian> lvictor: smtpd_client_recipient_rate_limit research that.. it'll land you in other documdentation about other limitations.
[05:20:32] <Dominian> these are changes usually done to master.cf for the smtpd process that accepts email
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[05:27:17] <gnot> Dominian, now i think i get it. In the syntax: 'transport:nexthop'  the nexthop part _usually_ refers to services on other smtp servers and not on those defined in the local postfix' master.cf. Is this assumption correct?
[05:28:15] <Dominian> at times..
[05:28:25] <Dominian> mailman and dovecot on my system are actually services defined in master.cf on my system.
[05:28:30] <Dominian> but they can be other servers to deliver to
[05:28:54] <ejos> hi again!. And first thanks, but i just wanna block senders incoming with the same example: one sender only a few rcpt, is like block something like spam.
[05:29:27] <Dominian> ejos: I still don't understand what you mean..
[05:29:51] <lvictor> thanks... by default smtpd_client_recipient_rate_limit is 0 i am no sure if change for example 20 the mail is REJECT or simple divide
[05:30:24] <lvictor> when rcpt is > 20.
[05:30:32] <ejos> ok, supose you send a mail to 1,2,3...10 people, i wanna block that, but if you send a mail to just 3 people you could pass
[05:30:59] <Dominian> lvictor: if you change it to 20.. it will stop them from blasting to more than 20 per connection
[05:31:12] <Dominian> lvictor: so if they connect 5 times they can send 20 emails per connection
[05:31:25] <Dominian> ejos: smtpd_client_recipient_rate_limit
[05:33:00] <lvictor> domanian: thanks.
[05:33:25] <Dominian> np
[05:33:36] <ejos> Dominian: thanks!
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[05:36:19] <Dominian> np
[05:41:46] <ejos> Dominian: the anvil_rate_time_unit by default is 60s and with the smtp_..._rate_limit i just can garantie that somebody send a bounce of mail on one time, but if that person make a attack  type dictionary, how can i do to block that? if he try on 20 min later?
[05:42:35] <gnot> Dominian, sahil: thanks a lot for the help. i think i now have a better understanding about how postfix works, which is the main reason for spending my free time with it. Please forgive any stupid questions i have asked so far and thanks for your patience :)
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[05:45:34] <gnot> bye all
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[06:38:31] <xanith> Hello, I am trying to setup a mail server on a local linux machine that is in my house, I'm using zoneedit.com to handle the DNS for the domain, and to be honest I don't have much experience on system administration (this is a temporary solution) can someone please assist me in getting the mail server working?
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[06:51:17] <yajith> xanith: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_postfix_virtual_hosting
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[06:52:35] <yajith> since this is a temporary thing, u can just get a basic set-up to work, just with mydomain, mynetworks set on the main.cf
[06:54:41] <xanith> well, i guess my question is, how does the DNS need to be setup so that mail.domain.com goes to the server?
[06:54:58] <xanith> any special way or does the domain just need to be pointed to the server ip, and the router forwards the correct ports?
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[07:02:13] <yajith> xanith: make sure primary mx for the domain are pointing to your router
[07:03:13] <yajith> example.com MX mail.example.com
[07:03:27] <yajith> mail.example.com A <your-ip>
[07:03:37] <yajith> that should do it..
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[07:05:16] <yajith> xanith: ?
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[07:09:46] <xanith> sorry, i was working through that howto
[07:10:04] <xanith> yea, that's how it's set in the DNS at the moment.
[07:10:16] <xanith> so, i'm guessing it's just configuring it from here that's going to be fun.
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[07:13:15] <xanith> The account or domain may not exist, they may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries.
[07:13:21] <xanith> that's the error i get when trying to send an e-mail
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[07:22:00] <iNick> yajith: missing the preference #
[07:22:06] <iNick> in the mx entry
[07:22:26] <xanith> hmm?
[07:22:41] <iNick> 00:03 < yajith> example.com MX mail.example.com
[07:22:41] <iNick> 00:03 < yajith> mail.example.com A <your-ip>
[07:23:43] <xanith> right now it shows under Mail Servers(MX) on zoneedit...
[07:23:52] <xanith> mail.example.com handles mail 1st for domain example.com
[07:24:54] <yajith> iNick: oops..yeah..
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[07:25:49] <yajith> the preference should be set to the lowest value on the entry pointing at your server/ip.
[07:26:04] <xanith> it shows rank 0
[07:26:16] <yajith> xanith: yeah..sounds ok to me..
[07:26:41] <xanith> i think the DNS may be set properly i just can't get the postfix set up properly i think...
[07:27:07] <yajith> xanith: what seems to be the error now.. ?
[07:27:23] <xanith> when i send an e-mail to the account... support at example dot com i get..
[07:27:30] <xanith> The account or domain may not exist, they may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries.
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[07:28:24] <yajith> your main.cf is changed accordingly, to work with the domain-name ?
[07:28:33] <yajith> what is the new domain ?
[07:28:50] <yajith> try a "dig mx <your-domain>"
[07:29:14] <yajith> and see if the resolution part is ok..
[07:30:00] <xanith> http://indesicant.pastebin.org/37469
[07:30:04] <xanith> there's the results
[07:30:55] <xanith> http://indesicant.pastebin.org/37470
[07:31:00] <xanith> there's the main.cf
[07:32:36] <xanith> i'm sorry, i feel so underknowledged, this is the first mail server i've ever set up, but this is the first site that's going to require a dedicated server.
[07:33:35] <yajith> xanith: i think u have mis-understood what i sent earlier..
[07:33:55] <yajith> "Yajith: since this is a temporary thing, u can just get a basic set-up to work, just with mydomain, mynetworks set on the main.cf"
[07:34:42] <xanith> basically.. support at projectxhtml dot com is what i'm trying to get working.
[07:34:51] <xanith> what would i need to have to get that accomplished?
[07:34:52] <yajith> yeah..wait..
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[07:37:04] <yajith> xanith: http://indesicant.pastebin.org/37471
[07:38:32] <xanith> postfix: warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: mail.projectxhtml.com.
[07:38:33] <xanith> postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter myhostname: bad parameter value: mail.projectxhtml.com.
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[07:39:40] <yajith> give command "host mail.projectxhtml.com"
[07:40:07] <yajith> and "hostname"
[07:40:08] <xanith> Host mail.projectxhtml.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[07:40:16] <xanith> ubuntu
[07:40:35] <yajith> xanith: check your /etc/resolv.conf
[07:40:52] <xanith> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[07:42:03] <yajith> "cat /etc/hosts"
[07:42:31] <xanith> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[07:42:31] <xanith> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[07:42:31] <xanith> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[07:42:31] <xanith> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[07:42:31] <xanith> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[07:42:31] <xanith> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[07:42:49] <yajith> add "<interface-ip> mail.projectxhtml.com mail"
[07:42:56] <yajith> to the end..
[07:44:27] <xanith> 127.0.0.1       mail.projectxhtml.com mail
[07:44:28] <xanith> like that?
[07:44:34] <yajith> no..
[07:45:17] <yajith> your nic ip..
[07:46:18] <xanith> is nic ip like that IP from the ISP or the IP from the router?
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[07:47:25] <yajith> give "ip addr list"
[07:48:17] <xanith> so, 192.168.1.200
[07:49:08] <yajith> yes..should be..
[07:49:44] <yajith> since you r using 192.168.1.1 as dns, which i assume is the router it self..
[07:49:52] <xanith> yep.
[07:50:00] <xanith> postfix is still giving that same error though.
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[07:50:49] <yajith> type "hostname mail.projectxhtml.com"
[07:50:56] <yajith> and retry..
[07:51:13] <yajith> and also, i think, you have not added the "A" type record to DNS as i told you before.. :)
[07:51:34] <xanith> postfix: warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: mail.projectxhtml.com.
[07:51:35] <xanith> postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter myhostname: bad parameter value: mail.projectxhtml.com.
[07:51:55] <xanith> and on zoneedit, i have under the Mail Servers(MX) tab
[07:52:17] <xanith> mail.projectxhtml.com handles mail 1st for domain projectxhtml.com
[07:52:34] <xanith> how would i add the A type record?
[07:53:22] <yajith> not familiar with zoneedit, but you should be able to do it the same way you add the MX
[07:53:41] <yajith> by going to add new record or something..
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[07:53:49] <f3ew> remove the trailing .
[07:54:00] <yajith> yeah..
[07:54:09] <yajith> "hostname mail.projectxhtml.com"
[07:54:23] <yajith> without the trailing "."
[07:54:40] <xanith> that's what i did
[07:55:25] <xanith> is there another DNS service that would be better?
[07:55:28] <yajith> xanith: do the same change on main.cf as well
[07:56:16] <xanith> okay..
[07:56:17] <xanith> now it gives this..
[07:56:21] <xanith> postfix: fatal: /etc/mailname: cannot open file: No such file or directory
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[07:56:39] <yajith> comment that entry..
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[07:57:01] <yajith> and smtpd_banner too
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[07:57:32] <xanith> okay did all that and it stopped and started fine now
[07:57:53] <yajith> xanith: not clear.
[07:58:14] <xanith> hmm?
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[07:59:46] <yajith> xanith: is it working now or not ?
[08:00:53] <xanith> SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<support at projectxhtml dot com>:     host mail.projectxhtml.com [98.223.51.232]: 554 5.7.1 <support at projectxhtml dot com>:     Relay access denied
[08:00:55] <Tux_Br> how i can clean my queue
[08:01:06] <Tux_Br> ?
[08:01:29] <Tux_Br> im having some problems with my server
[08:01:30] <yajith> Tux_Br: man postsuper
[08:01:49] 
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[08:02:03] <Tux_Br> they just dont clean
[08:02:09] <Tux_Br> i dont know why
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[08:04:32] <xanith> yajith: so any clue what that error means?
[08:04:41] <xanith> yajith: "Relay access denied?"
[08:05:03] <yajith> xanith: if you are trying to send mail using a client externally, try adding 192.168.1.0/24
[08:05:50] <xanith> adding that to what?
[08:05:59] <yajith> to main.cf
[08:06:11] <xanith> all the e-mails to this email address will be coming externally
[08:06:35] <xanith> and why 192.168.1.0, 192.168.1.1 is the router
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[08:07:17] <yajith> i meant, r u are trying to "send" mails from another client.. ?
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[08:07:56] <xanith> well, the e-mails being sent are from another domain, on another server
[08:08:40] <yajith> Tux_Br: postsuper -d <queue-id> dont work ?
[08:09:38] <xanith> The account or domain may not exist, they may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries.
[08:09:41] <xanith> now it's back to that again
[08:09:54] <xanith> how exactly are you supposed to setup the different e-mail accounts?
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[08:12:55] <yajith> xanith: you want to send and receive mails on support at projectxhtml dot com, correct ?
[08:13:01] <xanith> yes.
[08:14:05] <yajith> you have created the user account, yes ?
[08:15:05] <xanith> yep.
[08:15:24] <xanith> support:x:1003:
[08:15:24] <xanith> support-comment:x:1004
[08:15:26] <yajith> to receive mails from the outside, you have to make sure name-resolution is properly happenning..
[08:15:28] <xanith> are both in /etc/group
[08:16:09] <yajith> you can either add a "A" record as i said before..
[08:16:42] <yajith> and if you can't, you could simply change the MX to directly point to your ip..
[08:16:53] <yajith> but this is not recommended..
[08:16:54] <xanith> that's what it's doing right now.
[08:17:36] <yajith> still, you should be able to send mail locally, without any prob..without the above dns changes.
[08:17:48] <yajith> ex, root to support
[08:17:51] <xanith> how would i test that?
[08:17:52] <yajith> should work..
[08:18:02] <yajith> try the mail command..
[08:18:26] <yajith> and watch the tail -f on the maillog at the same time
[08:19:13] <xanith> i mean like, i've never e-mailed from command-line before, so how would i send an e-mail? lol.
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[08:20:49] <yajith> try "mail <email-addr>" on the command line..
[08:21:12] <yajith> watch "tail -f /var/log/mail.log" on a separate terminal
[08:22:55] <xanith> wait a minute!
[08:22:59] <xanith> i just noticed the issue
[08:23:17] <xanith> for some reason, the mail is still trying to go to this site's previous hosted server...
[08:24:01] <xanith> would that be because it hasn't propigated fully?
[08:25:18] <yajith> from where are you trying to send the mail FROM: ?
[08:25:35] <yajith> it depends on that end anyway..
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[08:27:28] <xanith> okay, i tried to email from a different address, and it didn't get a mailer-daemon returned...
[08:28:22] <xanith> of course, the mail isn't really coming through either
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[08:34:31] <xanith> well, i'm going to have to call it a night tonight, i appreciate all the help but i'll have to continue this tomorrow
[08:34:32] <xanith> thanks!
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[08:34:48] <yajith> xanith: i don't think u got what i said earlier..
[08:35:06] <xanith> what was that?
[08:35:11] <yajith> the name-resolution should be working prop.. to get mails from outside..
[08:35:18] <yajith> right now its not there..
[08:35:23] <yajith> but..
[08:35:27] <xanith> when i tried mailing from command line
[08:35:30] <xanith> it gets stuck on the subject line
[08:35:33] <yajith> the local mails atleast should work..
[08:35:36] <xanith> and i can't get it to send, i don't know how to use that lol
[08:35:42] <xanith> i tried googling and couldn't find any help
[08:36:25] <yajith> mail <email addr>
[08:36:37] <yajith> then type something for subject
[08:36:46] <yajith> then type the message
[08:36:56] <xanith> how do i send?
[08:37:01] <yajith> type "." on a new line when you are done
[08:37:17] <yajith> just leave cc: blank..
[08:37:22] <yajith> that should do it..
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[08:38:21] <yajith> btw. just to clarify, the how-to i sent earlier, it is a bit complex, if you aren't familiar..don;t follow it just yet..
[08:38:55] <xanith> well, the from field is showing derek at mail dot projectxhtml.com
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[08:39:57] <yajith> that you can get changed by making changes in main.cf
[08:40:04] <yajith> i think myorigin
[08:40:23] <yajith> check out postfix.org for that one..
[08:40:45] <yajith> if the localdelivery is ok, you should try to send mails out and see..
[08:40:51] <yajith> ex.. gmail ;)
[08:40:54] <myrick> Good Morning ..Can somebody pls help me? I followed that Instructions: http://openmailadmin.ossdl.de/wiki/howto/Postfix-SASL-Cyrus-MySQL-Amavis-Postgrey-SpamAssassin-ClamAV-Squirrelmail-Mailman-Mailgraph-OMA and get now these Errors: http://nopaste.ch/f003de693f97760.html
[08:40:57] <myrick> maybe yajith pls =)
[08:41:49] <xanith> well, e-mail to root at projectxhtml dot com i get a return daemon saying this "Host or domain name not found. Name service error
[08:41:49] <xanith>     for name=mail.projectxhtml.com type=A: Host not found"
[08:41:56] <xanith> and that's mailing from local
[08:42:01] <yajith> but keep in mind the replying might not work as you dont have the name-resolution done, yet..
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[08:42:37] <myrick> yajith ? Did you see my errors :P
[08:42:39] <xanith> now if i do root@localhost, that works.
[08:42:42] <yajith> myrick: check saslauthd is running..
[08:42:44] <yajith> ?
[08:44:03] <yajith> xanith: in main.cf check under mydestincation
[08:44:26] <yajith> myrick: not sure Cyrus-SASL is using saslauthd..
[08:44:59] <xanith> yajith: mydestination = mail.projectxhtml.com, localhost.mail.projectxhtml.com, localho$
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[08:45:26] <Jax> hello
[08:45:34] <xanith> yajith: myhostname = mail.projectxhtml.com
[08:45:41] <xanith> yajith: that as well
[08:46:05] <myrick> is running
[08:46:06] <yajith> xanith: add projectxhtml.com to mydestination
[08:46:12] <myrick> yajith =(
[08:46:28] <yajith> myrick: ;(
[08:47:08] <myrick> shit ... =)
[08:47:09] <yajith> myrick: warning: cannot get private key from file /etc/ssl/private/mail.my-rick.de.key
[08:47:14] <xanith> yajith: postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 26: missing '=' after attribute name: "projectxhtml.com"
[08:47:37] <myrick> kk, i try to fix it
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[08:48:07] <yajith> myrick: i wil go through the guide n let u kno..?
[08:48:32] <yajith> xanith: you must have made a syntax error
[08:48:37] <yajith> on the main.cf
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[08:49:32] <yajith> try something like mydestination = projectxhtml.com, mail.projectxhtml.com, localhost.mail.projectxhtml.com, localhost, localhost.localdomain
[08:50:58] <myrick> yajith 1st: my-rick:/var/log# /etc/init.d/saslauthd start
[08:50:58] <myrick> Starting SASL Authentication Daemon: saslauthd (already running).
[08:51:05] <xanith> yajith: that's what i have and yes i did make an error...
[08:51:10] <xanith> yajith now it's back to saying...
[08:51:21] <xanith>  postfix: warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: mail.projectxhtml.com.
[08:51:22] <xanith> postfix: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter myhostname: bad parameter value: mail.projectxhtml.com.
[08:52:54] <xanith> wait fixed it
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[08:54:52] <Jax> what do you guys do about mails that are sent from a local address, FOR a local address. but from a spammers pc?
[08:54:58] <Jax> it seems that postfix accepts these by default
[08:55:29] <myrick> kk yajith i've fixed the key problem
[08:55:38] <sysmonk> Jax: it accepts them cause they are sent FOR a local address
[08:55:54] <sysmonk> so it doesn't matter in this case if it's sent from a local addie or not
[08:55:55] <Jax> how do you protect against spammers for fake your mail
[08:55:56] <xanith> yajith: okay, local mail is now working under @projectxhtml.com.. so i can do support at projectxhtml dot com, and it does get intercepted by request tracker as it should, now i suppose at this point, it's getting outside mail to come in?
[08:56:02] <Jax> (the mail frmo)
[08:56:15] <sysmonk> Jax: spf, antispam, domainkeys
[08:56:26] <myrick> What is the standard IMAP password for Cyrus ?
[08:56:34] <yajith> xanith: yes
[08:56:41] <sysmonk> myrick: there is no standard imap password for cyrus
[08:56:43] <yajith> myrick: great..
[08:56:46] <sysmonk> there is no standard user for cyrus even
[08:56:58] <Jax> ok. how bout this case though: my university blocks all SMTPs outgoing (so cant connect to port 25 to the outside), so i have to send mails via the uni mailserver. how will my mail server know that it's not a spammer?
[08:56:59] <sysmonk> you have to create it yourself, and it's #postfix not #cyrus
[08:57:15] <Jax> spf -> oh mail isn't from right IP -> it'll kill it
[08:57:18] <sysmonk> Jax: spamassassin ?
[08:57:21] <myrick> yeah but with saslpasswd2 it doesn't work
[08:57:26] <Jax> sysmonk elaborate
[08:57:31] <sysmonk> Jax: ?
[08:57:43] <Jax> can you be more specific to what approach you would chose?
[08:57:55] <xanith> yajith: would you recommend any other DNS service rather than zoneedit?
[08:57:59] <sysmonk> Jax: do you know what's spamassassin ?
[08:58:07] <Jax> yes, i have it running and use it
[08:58:20] <Jax> though only with default and SARE rules.
[08:58:33] <sysmonk> Jax: so? it scans the mail and if it thinks it's spam - does some actions
[08:58:57] <sysmonk> Jax: how bout razor/dcc/bayes
[08:59:08] <Jax> i use that too.
[08:59:10] <yajith> xanith: sry, can't help you in that..have not used those..
[08:59:21] <sysmonk> Jax: and still people send lots of spam through the server?
[08:59:30] <sysmonk> maybe your score is too low? :)
[08:59:34] <sysmonk> err, too high :)
[09:00:13] <xanith> you've never used a dns service?
[09:00:23] <sysmonk> o_o
[09:00:29] <yajith> xanith: i have ;)
[09:00:36] <myrick> k, so I should give it up ?
[09:00:39] <myrick> http://nopaste.ch/c73290852407a6f.html
[09:00:42] <sysmonk> xanith: nah, he connected to freenode as to 216.165.191.52
[09:00:44] <sysmonk> ;P
[09:00:47] <myrick> Still brings an error =(
[09:01:19] <yajith> xanith: i meant from providers like yours..
[09:01:28] <xanith> yajith: so which dns service is decent? like dyndns?
[09:02:45] <yajith> xanith: maybe..i truly have not used any one of them enough to make a recommendation..i hear google have this service too..
[09:03:19] <yajith> myrick: never give up.. :)
[09:03:43] <myrick> :) 3 Days and 27 Errors I've fixed ... I am getting crazy
[09:03:44] <myrick> lal =)
[09:03:55] <myrick> getting ?
[09:04:14] <yajith> myrick: gotten ?
[09:04:23] <xanith> well, yajith thanks for all the help up to this point, i guess i need to figure out how to add an A type record because i think it's still pointing to the old server for some reason
[09:04:24] <yajith> myrick: :)
[09:04:32] <myrick> :)
[09:04:41] <yajith> xanith: i dont think so..
[09:04:50] <sysmonk> myrick: maybe you should get a sysadmin?
[09:04:56] <sysmonk> he'll fix it up fast :)
[09:05:06] <yajith> just that mail.<domain> doesn't resolve without the A record..
[09:05:26] <yajith> try changing the MX record from mail.<domain> to your real-ip..
[09:05:40] <yajith> but this is not a good way..m sure many ppl will agree
[09:05:43] <sysmonk> yajith: MX can't be set to IP
[09:05:59] <sysmonk> and MX -> CNAME is illegal too
[09:06:08] <sysmonk> (you'll be blocked by rfcignorant.org soon)
[09:06:10] <yajith> sysmonk: ah..is that so..
[09:06:24] <yajith> sysmonk: thx..i didnt know that..
[09:06:26] <lkthomas_> guys
[09:06:30] <lkthomas_> I got this problem: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: Connection refused
[09:06:33] <lkthomas_> anyone have idea why ?
[09:06:42] <yajith> xanith: there must be a way to add a new "A".
[09:06:58] <yajith> xanith: since it appears to be a standard..
[09:07:10] <yajith> xanith: check the faq on your provider..
[09:07:14] <xanith> projectxhtml.com is pointing to my new numeric IP
[09:07:15] <sysmonk> lkthomas_: sadly i don't use courier, but you could try to turn on the debuging and look around
[09:07:23] <xanith> that is the A record? yes?
[09:07:30] <yajith> xanith: i don't think its pointing to the old server though..
[09:07:33] <sysmonk> lkthomas_: ah, maybe the authdaemon isn't runing and authdaemon socket is still there?
[09:07:44] <yajith> xanith: "A" yes..
[09:07:59] <yajith> xanith: dns record of type "A"
[09:08:12] <lkthomas_> yep
[09:08:13] <yajith> xanith: just like "MX" which is an another type
[09:08:15] <lkthomas_> socket does exits
[09:08:18] <lkthomas_> exists
[09:08:21] <xanith> okay it is pointing to my numeric IP...
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[09:08:26] <sysmonk> lkthomas_: and authdaemond is runing/
[09:08:41] <yajith> myrick: sry i cudn't be of any help
[09:08:58] <lkthomas_> yes
[09:09:32] <sysmonk> lkthomas_: hm. stop authdaemon and see what error you'll get
[09:09:53] <sysmonk> (just to check if it's reaaaaly that socket you're connecting to)
[09:12:20] <xanith> yajith: also a note, if i mail out to an external address, those don't send either.
[09:13:20] <yajith> xanith: try sending something like gmail, cuz lot of other mail servers don't accept mail coming from unkowns..
[09:14:12] <xanith> yajith: nope, didn't come to my gmail either
[09:14:34] <sysmonk> didn't come != didn't send out
[09:14:39] <sysmonk> use your logs to find out what happened
[09:14:47] <xanith> yajith:  The IP you're using to send mail is not authorized 550-5.7.1 to send email directly to our servers. Please use the SMTP 550-5.7.1 relay at your service provider instead.
[09:14:48] <yajith> xanith: check the logs..
[09:14:53] <xanith> yajith: that's from the logs
[09:15:01] <sysmonk> if logs say that mail WAS sent then maybe they put your email to the spam folder
[09:15:20] <sysmonk> xanith: that's when sending to gmail?!
[09:15:37] <xanith> yep.
[09:15:42] <sysmonk> heh, fuuun :)
[09:15:47] <sysmonk> you must be in a nice netblock :)
[09:15:57] <xanith> It's Comcast, wouldn't surprise me.
[09:16:03] <xanith> They have shit so retardly locked down.
[09:16:07] <yajith> sysmonk: exactly...
[09:16:08] <sysmonk> xanith: as it says - use your ISP's mail server for sending out the email then
[09:16:16] <sysmonk> !relayhost
[09:16:17] <knoba> sysmonk: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
[09:16:18] <sysmonk> xanith: ^^
[09:16:19] <lkthomas_> the funny thing is that imap is working
[09:16:35] <lkthomas_> I don't understand why pop3 wouldn't work
[09:16:46] <sysmonk> lkthomas_: ah, so you're talking about pop3?!
[09:16:51] <sysmonk> i thought we're talking about smtp
[09:17:07] <sysmonk> hence the channel name :)
[09:17:33] <xanith> okay, i will have to clear all this up tomorrow. i think i may have to end up getting a dedicated server after all, it appears this isn't going to work on a computer inside the house.
[09:17:57] <sysmonk> uuuu a home-mail-server!
[09:17:58] <yajith> xanith: stil appears doable to me..
[09:18:08] <sysmonk> yajith: not really
[09:18:23] <sysmonk> yajith: atleast it wouldn't be a nice mail server
[09:18:27] <yajith> xanith: 1st check from ur ISP if there is any work arnd for this..
[09:18:28] <xanith> sysmonk, yajith: this entire web server/mail server is in a home.
[09:18:32] <sysmonk> 1. you'll have to relay through comcast - and it sucks
[09:18:41] <lkthomas_> pop3 and postfix seems having problem to auth as well
[09:18:44] <yajith> sysmonk: that is true..
[09:18:48] <sysmonk> 2. you couldn't know when comcast will (or maybe already does) deny connections to your servers 25 port
[09:19:01] <sysmonk> 3. the ip address IS or WILL BE in PBL
[09:19:02] <yajith> sysmonk: i too dont like it when i have to use some others relay
[09:19:28] <sysmonk> 4. he has a generic RDNS - most servers will block that
[09:19:28] <xanith> so, yea with those things stated, i'm going to just go ahead and buy a dedicated server and start that route
[09:19:31] <sysmonk> s/most/some/
[09:19:44] <lkthomas_> some user's outlook is working
[09:19:45] <sysmonk> so sure, you CAN have a mail server at home with comcast, but ... do you want to ? :)
[09:19:46] <lkthomas_> some don't
[09:19:50] <yajith> xanith: 1st check from the ISP if there is a workarnd for this type of probs..
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[09:20:11] <yajith> xanith: that is if you are stil thinkin of this home-server thing..
[09:20:33] <xanith> yajith: i'd rather pay for a dedicated server.. i called comcast once when a tree hit our lines, and the tech support agent actually said "we're too busy in the local area, you'll have to drive to your local office and request a repair visit" and then hung up on me.
[09:20:55] <sysmonk> nicey nicey :)
[09:20:58] <yajith> xanith: now that is BAD..
[09:21:13] <sysmonk> xanith: i'd drive to their office.
[09:21:20] <yajith> sysmonk: any recommendations for a DNS provider..
[09:21:20] <xanith> unfortunatly, it's 15mbps cable, or 768kbps DSL... lol
[09:21:26] <sysmonk> (and request a contract termination)
[09:21:40] <sysmonk> yajith: localhost
[09:21:41] <yajith> sysmonk: ?
[09:21:49] <yajith> sysmonk: he he..
[09:22:04] <yajith> sysmonk: other than that..
[09:22:05] * sysmonk is a ISP, and DNS provider, so i don't have that kind of problems
[09:22:18] <sysmonk> you can use 127.0.0.1 if you want
[09:22:20] <sysmonk> or ::1
[09:22:36] <sysmonk> (hooray to ipv6)
[09:22:48] * xanith thinks he needs to buy a networking book
[09:23:06] <sysmonk> xanith: sure you have to, and buy me a book to ;P
[09:23:30] <xanith> well, my head is about to explode, i guess i might need to take a crash course in networking
[09:23:45] <sysmonk> xanith: are you a sysadmin?
[09:23:50] <xanith> nope. by no means at all.
[09:23:57] <sysmonk> so get one :)
[09:23:58] <xanith> i have a basic understanding to linux, that's all.
[09:24:07] <sysmonk> leave it to the guys who know what they are doing
[09:24:16] <xanith> i'd prefer to become one, than hire one.
[09:24:32] <sysmonk> is it for your business? or just for home use?
[09:24:53] <xanith> this would be for my business.. but i can handle almost anything i care to learn
[09:25:16] <xanith> i do web design, programming (php/mysql), i just haven't went forward to learning networking and server administration yet
[09:25:39] <sysmonk> xanith: the difference is - you can handle it. but when a problem occures in already-runing configuration - you're business will be out of service
[09:26:20] <xanith> Well, that's where the dedicated hosting company would come in handy
[09:26:27] <xanith> they have sys admins at hand =p
[09:26:39] <sysmonk> sure, and do you think they KNOW what you have on your system?
[09:27:11] <xanith> lol. well, i'm certainly not going to hire a sysadmin to monitor the few things i could ever have go wrong with my server..
[09:27:13] <sysmonk> there are tens of different mail daemons, with different kind of configurations
[09:27:22] <sysmonk> i'm not always knowing my own configurations very well
[09:27:34] <xanith> google is your friend ;-)
[09:27:47] <sysmonk> xanith: o_o in postfix it's not
[09:27:52] <xanith> this is true. i've noticed.
[09:27:57] <sysmonk> not in that
[09:28:07] <sysmonk> when your server is configured you won't be able to google out something
[09:28:16] <sysmonk> it's a configuration which is for YOUR system
[09:28:37] <xanith> it's really not a difficult setup i'm trying to achieve really...
[09:28:47] <sysmonk> a chance of other people having a very same configuration and having a very same problem / request and posting a question on a forum/mailing list is very small
[09:28:55] <sysmonk> sure, it depends on your setup ;)
[09:29:00] <xanith> i just need a functional email server, which request tracker will intercept e-mails to ONE e-mail address, the rest is just PHP/HTML... simple.
[09:29:05] <xanith> other than that, i need nothing else.
[09:29:07] * sysmonk hides his 10+ mail server farm
[09:29:44] <f3ew> !basic
[09:29:44] <knoba> f3ew: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[09:29:47] <xanith> so i need the LAMP side, plus postfix. shouldn't be too hard, one wouldn't think.
[09:29:59] <f3ew> basic is good enough
[09:30:19] <sysmonk> ye, if he needs only that then yup
[09:31:03] <xanith> i've opened that link, i will be sure to read through it all in the morning.
[09:31:09] <xanith> but for now, it's 3:31, and have to be up at 9.. lol
[09:31:19] <xanith> so thanks for the help everyone, i'll be sure to get a new server tomorrow.
[09:31:22] <Jax> can i set a seperate MX for subdomains?
[09:34:18] <Jax> yeah i can
[09:34:31] <yajith> Jax: :)
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[11:04:39] <_ruben> bah .. i can kill my ubuntu mailserver by spamming it with 10k mails at a concurrency of 300 .. might be too much for my hw ;)
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[11:08:32] <lysander> what spec is your unbongo, and are you being sensible with the anvil settings ? :)
[11:13:46] <_ruben> havent done much tuning yet .. its a dell 1950 with hw raid1 on 2 sas disks .. quad core with 4g mem
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[11:14:33] <_ruben> a batch of 7k mails went trough fine, tested with 20k next, but after 10k everything just stalls .. seems like the disk subsys is overloaded or smth
[11:14:36] <lionel_> hello
[11:14:41] <lionel_> anyone can help me
[11:14:56] <lionel_> i need to trash my spam
[11:15:10] <lionel_> whith procmail
[11:15:40] <lionel_> i use in main.cf mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a
[11:16:34] <lionel_> but i use sql
[11:16:41] <lionel_> and i'have this virtual_mailbox_base = /home/spool/vmail/
[11:17:02] <lionel_> anyone can help me ?
[11:23:33] <myrick> what does this mean :) May 21 08:31:21 my-rick saslauthd[14550]: pam_mysql - MySQL error (Unknown column 'pass_md5' in 'field list') can somebody help me pls
[11:24:47] <lysander> myrick - it means there is a query for an unknown collumn in a list of fields being referenced by pam_mysql ? :)
[11:25:00] <lysander> check out your pam config
[11:25:01] <myrick> and how can i fix this =) ?
[11:25:16] <lysander> look at what collumns there are in mysql, compare with what pam is referencing
[11:25:21] <lysander> fix either the pam or the mysql
[11:25:29] <myrick> could this be the reason for: May 21 08:31:21 my-rick cyrus/imap[14806]: badlogin: localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] plaintext cyrus SASL(-13): authentication failure: checkpass failed
[11:25:40] <myrick> ? ;) thanks !
[11:26:30] <myrick> or is this another problem ?
[11:27:31] <myrick> lysander (:
[11:28:12] <lysander> myrick - this is probabley because of the previous error
[11:28:29] <myrick> uhh ;) if it is, i would be soo glad, thank you ...
[11:28:36] <myrick> kk in my pam conf:
[11:28:38] <myrick> auth sufficient pam_mysql.so user=postfix passwd=<my_passwd> host=localhost db=postfix table=user usercolumn=mbox passwdcolumn=pass_md5 crypt=3
[11:28:55] <lysander> and in your mysql postfix.user table ?
[11:29:04] <myrick> and in db postfix table user it gives: mbox	person	pate	canonical	password	domains	active
[11:29:05] <lysander> you're referencing pass_md5, does it exist as a collumn ?
[11:29:09] <lysander> clearly not
[11:29:13] <myrick> ehm
[11:29:17] <lysander> replace pass_md5 with password and try again
[11:29:48] * lysander heartily recommends dovecot sasl tbh
[11:29:56] <lysander> and avoiding pam entirely :D
[11:31:25] <_ruben> grr.. box is still frozen..
[11:31:29] * _ruben gets out the heaters
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[11:33:18] <lysander> run some stupid apps like et@home or rc2048
[11:33:23] <myrick> I LOVE YOU
[11:33:25] <myrick> LYSANDER ;)
[11:33:27] <lysander> and your pc becomes a heater
[11:33:28] <_ruben> strange thing is, when i had the box here at the office still, i could spam it with 2mil messages without problems .. wonder what's changed
[11:33:33] <myrick> the last final error, now my mailserver works fine =)
[11:33:42] <myrick> uiuiui I'm so glad .. :P
[11:34:10] <lysander> alles klaar :)
[11:34:23] <myrick> Woher kommst denn ?
[11:34:33] <lionel_> hello i have filter.sh how i can filter spam ?
[11:34:34] <lysander> myrick - read errors and try to understand how things are put together, you'll find it easy to fix things yourself :)
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[11:34:50] <myrick> lysander german or english :P ?
[11:35:04] <_ruben> sounds kinda dutch ;)
[11:35:07] <lysander> myrick - neither
[11:35:21] <lysander> _ruben - yeah, klaar can mean 'over' in dutch.
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[11:35:26] <lysander> it's all over
[11:35:28] <lysander> or something
[11:35:32] <_ruben> lysander: i know, im dutch ;)
[11:36:03] <lysander> _ruben - dan jy van verstandt mj ook
[11:36:08] * lysander never learnt to write the language
[11:36:29] <lysander> s/van/kan/
[11:36:36] <_ruben> close enough ;)
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[12:18:07] <dustybin> on a typical debian installation of postfix, how does SMTP auth users?
[12:18:32] <dustybin> ive managed to get my cellphone to connect to port 143 using IMAP
[12:18:44] <dustybin> but i cannot get my phone to use port 25, SMTP to send mail
[12:20:39] <f3ew> use 587?
[12:21:03] <dustybin> f3ew: my phone works with port 25, but i can never get it to auth
[12:21:16] <dustybin> im not sure how to create a user + password for port 25 on my server
[12:21:58] <sysmonk> !sasl
[12:21:59] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[12:22:02] <sysmonk> dustybin: ^^
[12:22:48] <dustybin> so basically, i need to create a SASL user + password on my box, so postfix can auth against it?
[12:23:08] <dustybin> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes   <-- like this
[12:23:22] <sysmonk> if you can auth to imap, and your imap uses sasl - then you just ened to specify postfix to use that sasl
[12:23:50] <sysmonk> dustybin: read the whole link, not just a part of it, it has everything described
[12:24:09] <dustybin> this is my complete setup: postfix, courier-imap, squirrelmail
[12:24:30] <dustybin> ive connected to port 143 using my cellphone, and i can read my mail via IMAP
[12:24:39] <sysmonk> courier doesn't have sasl afaik, so you'll need to install dovecot or cyrus-sasl
[12:24:43] <dustybin> if i connect to port 25 using the same auth details as 143, it doesnt work
[12:24:54] <sysmonk> dustybin: port 143 is imap, and is in no way connected with your postfix
[12:25:07] <sysmonk> different things, different stuff
[12:25:12] <dustybin> sysmonk: yes i know that, but i thought imap + postfix use the same auth
[12:25:25] <dustybin> SASL
[12:25:25] <sysmonk> no.
[12:25:37] <dustybin> oh i see..
[12:25:53] <jduggan> dustybin: most cell carriers will make you use use their own smtp
[12:25:56] <dustybin> i think courier-imap must use PAM
[12:26:20] <dustybin> jduggan: aye ok, maybe ill ring my cellphone company and find out
[12:26:55] <dustybin> even so, it would be cool if i could get my SMTP to auth properly just out of interest
[12:27:05] * dustybin reads the link
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[12:28:53] <dustybin> "When sending mail, the Postfix SMTP client can look up the remote SMTP server hostname or destination domain (the address right-hand part) in a SASL password table, and if a username/password is found, it will use that username and password to authenticate to the remote SMTP server."
[12:29:50] <sysmonk> dustybin: ...
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[12:29:55] <sysmonk> dustybin: can you read? :)
[12:30:45] <sysmonk> dustybin: do you need your postfix send out mail with authentication to other servers (i.e. your relayhost), or do you want to send mail to your postfix with authentication?
[12:31:11] <dustybin> my home postfix setup works perfectly
[12:31:28] <dustybin> all im trying to do now is get my cellphone to work with it
[12:31:32] <dustybin> IMAP works perfectly
[12:31:52] <dustybin> now im going to get port 25 to auth with my cellphone
[12:31:55] <dustybin> using SASL
[12:31:57] <sysmonk> i know what you want. and i just said that you're reading the wrong part.
[12:32:22] <dustybin> i want to send mail to my postfix with auth
[12:32:23] <jduggan> hehe
[12:32:36] <dustybin> no auth = spam box
[12:32:39] <jduggan> dustybin: what you read is making your postfix auth against another relayhost
[12:32:40] <sysmonk> dustybin: and you're reading the part when postfix authenticated to other mail servers
[12:32:44] <dustybin> saslpasswd -c -u `postconf -h myhostname` exampleuser   <-- this looks promising
[12:32:48] <sysmonk> not where your MUA ( phone ) authenticates to postfix
[12:33:06] <dustybin> sysmonk: yes i know where it is, ive setup my home server details and port 25
[12:33:09] <dustybin> it connects fine
[12:33:12] <dustybin> but doesnt auth
[12:33:36] <dustybin> i could do a live syslog of what happens
[12:33:37] <dustybin> brb
[12:34:11] <sysmonk> nevermind
[12:34:20] <sysmonk> ignore me, i don't now how to talk with people like you :)
[12:34:41] <_ruben> damnit .. my (pre-live) bulkmail server has been frozen for 90mins now :/
[12:34:54] <xhill> I'm trying to send outgoint mail to different smtpserver depending on what HEADER tag the mail has. Can't use the FROM address because its the in both cases.
[12:35:02] <sysmonk> _ruben: spammer! :P
[12:35:02] <xhill> Any ideas?
[12:36:33] <_ruben> sysmonk: correct .. atleast, thats what the idea, but currently this box freezes after roughly 10k of messages .. even tho earlier tests went fine with 2mil of test mails
[12:36:58] <_ruben> then again, its not really spam .. its opt-in bulk mail :)
[12:37:20] <sysmonk> xhill: header_checks + FILTER with a transport_maps ?
[12:37:23] <dustybin> sysmonk: this is what happens: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2588
[12:37:43] <sysmonk> _ruben: ain't helping bulk mailers :P
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[12:38:38] <_ruben> sysmonk: that's very well within your rights i guess ;)
[12:38:58] <sysmonk> dustybin: read up some how-to on sasl. you don't have saslauthd runing / accessible by postfix
[12:39:18] <sysmonk> _ruben: except for $_money_$ :)))
[12:39:37] <dustybin> sysmonk: aye ok
[12:40:10] <_ruben> sysmonk: money tends to make lots of changes :)
[12:40:40] <dustybin> sysmonk: i think i need to install this sod
[12:40:43] <dustybin> sasl2-bin - Cyrus SASL - administration programs for SASL users database
[12:40:57] <_ruben> tho its probably an os/hardware issue, since the whole box is semi-unresponsive .. allows incoming connections, but nothing happens, anything that seems disk related is blocked
[12:40:57] <sysmonk> dustybin: i don't know
[12:41:05] <sysmonk> dustybin: it's how your distro called it
[12:41:13] <sysmonk> so i can't even know WHAT IS that ;)
[12:41:43] <sysmonk> _ruben: what os?
[12:41:53] <_ruben> ubuntu 7.10
[12:41:59] <sysmonk> ewww
[12:42:18] <_ruben> on dell 1950 with hw raid1 over 2 sas disks, quad core cpu and 4gig ram
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[12:42:33] <sysmonk> doh, what a waste of hardware with that kind of OS
[12:42:34] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:42:56] <jduggan> heh
[12:43:14] <sysmonk> _ruben: 10k messages in what time frame?
[12:43:24] <sysmonk> 1 minute? 5 ? 10 ?
[12:43:27] <_ruben> matter of preference i guess ;)
[12:43:30] <_ruben> lemme check log
[12:43:41] * sysmonk never saw ubuntu as a server os
[12:44:10] <sysmonk> that is, yes, i installed it for one of my clients on a ded. server, but having it as a server would make me feel bad
[12:44:29] <sysmonk> it's almost the same as having windows as a server
[12:44:31] <dustybin> i can see the problem
[12:44:34] <dustybin> server:/etc/postfix# /etc/init.d/saslauthd start
[12:44:34] <dustybin> * Short name (NAME) undefined in /etc/default/saslauthd, using default
[12:44:34] <dustybin> Starting : default* No run directory defined for default, not starting
[12:44:43] <_ruben> 30 seconds :p
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[12:44:57] <_ruben> (thats much faster than i had expected)
[12:45:02] <sysmonk> _ruben: 10k mails sent in 30 seconds, or queued?
[12:45:20] * dustybin smells a spammer
[12:45:34] <_ruben> 30 seconds from start of batch till frozen server .. at which the sending machine had send roughly 10k of messages
[12:45:50] <sysmonk> _ruben: you haven't answered.
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[12:46:01] <sysmonk> queued != sent
[12:46:01] <_ruben> dustybin: this is opt-in commercial mail of a large customer
[12:46:15] <_ruben> sysmonk: im redirecting to /dev/null for now .. using /etc/aliases
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[12:46:29] <sysmonk> ah
[12:46:45] <sysmonk> _ruben: and you're testing the sending server, or receiving server?
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[12:47:39] <_ruben> sysmonk: both in a way .. guess i could use smtpsink as alternative test for the sending machine .. but we're interesting in the combined performance of the sending machine and the relaying one
[12:48:07] <sysmonk> k, sure
[12:48:23] <sysmonk> anyway, you should start by checking the os part
[12:48:33] <sysmonk> vmstat and etc
[12:48:43] <_ruben> sysmonk: yeah, which is way im waiting for the box to 'unfreeze'
[12:49:02] <sysmonk> oh, it even 'unfreezes' ? :P
[12:49:15] <_ruben> hmm .. in fact, its less frozen than i thought
[12:49:24] <_ruben> dmesg and vmstat do still work
[12:49:40] <sysmonk> dmesg takes info from memory
[12:49:41] <sysmonk> atleast on freebsd
[12:49:44] <_ruben> yeah
[12:49:45] <sysmonk> vmstat too
[12:49:54] <_ruben> so disk is the prob as i expected
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[12:50:11] <_ruben> vmstat's io counters are zero .. cpu's 50% idle and 50% wait
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[12:50:29] <sysmonk> _ruben: 2 cpu's?
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[12:50:52] <_ruben> single quad core
[12:50:59] <_ruben> hmm .. ps aux freezes half way
[12:51:04] <sysmonk> hm, then 2 cpu's are 100% used
[12:51:05] <_ruben> cant ctrl-c it
[12:51:29] <_ruben> might be that the dell omsa is the prob .. those were the last entries shown by ps
[12:51:49] <sysmonk> don't know what's that
[12:52:02] <sysmonk> neither use dell, nor linux
[12:52:13] <_ruben> open management suite
[12:52:19] <robtone_> software raid?
[12:52:26] <_ruben> no, hardware raid1 over 2 sas disks
[12:52:31] <_ruben> with battery backed ram
[12:52:44] <robtone_> (nm, you said io is zero)
[12:53:28] <_ruben> hmm .. under 'procs' the r column is 0 and b is 3
[12:53:50] <_ruben> then again, cant dig any further, since my last working ssh session froze due to the ps .. *sigh*
[12:54:16] <_ruben> having seen the dmsg output, i have less a problem with rebooting this box though, dmesg didnt show anything
[12:54:30] <_ruben> gonna fiddle with the raid controller's settings a bit
[12:56:31] <_ruben> cant think of anything thats changed tho .. only actual difference is that the previous stresstests were done using smtp-source, and now its an windows 2k3 server as source
[12:58:27] <robtone_> hm, lack of free file descriptors?
[12:58:48] <robtone_> resp socket descriptors
[12:59:12] <robtone_> sysctl net.core.somaxconn tells what?
[12:59:30] * cpm describes sockets, but not to robtone_
[12:59:42] <mudd`Hossam> can i ask how to resolve this error? host cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com[75.180.132.244] refused to talk to me: 554-cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com 554 #5.5.4 Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[13:00:02] <mudd`Hossam> how can i ensure my ip lookup points to my machine?
[13:00:28] <cpm> mudd`Hossam, what's the real values for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ?
[13:00:36] <mudd`Hossam> host cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com[75.180.132.244] refused to talk to me: 554-cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com 554 #5.5.4 Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed for 64.172.230.130
[13:00:36] <cpm> obscurity isn't going to help you here
[13:00:43] <mudd`Hossam> url is muddclub.net
[13:00:59] <robtone_> _ruben, also have a a look at sysctl fs.file-nr
[13:01:02] <mudd`Hossam> i have an mx record for mail.muddclub.net
[13:01:03] <cpm> there is no ptr record for 64.172.230.130
[13:01:09] <mudd`Hossam> ohhhh
[13:01:20] <cpm> that's a fail in most folks books
[13:01:24] <mudd`Hossam> i can configure this thorugh networksolutions.com correct?
[13:01:33] <cpm> no.
[13:01:41] <mudd`Hossam> WHAAA?
[13:01:45] <cpm> contact your isp, and have them set a PTR record,
[13:01:46] <_ruben> sockets & filehandles .. damn .. why i didnt think of that
[13:02:06] <mudd`Hossam> could i get a bit more info about prt records?
[13:02:09] <dustybin> am i right in thinking that SMTP traffic always travels forwards
[13:02:12] <mudd`Hossam> im kinda confused
[13:02:35] <mudd`Hossam> and how did you discover if that ip had them?
[13:02:39] <cpm> oh wait, that is a /25, it belongs to the mudd club, set up your dns correctly.
[13:03:03] <mudd`Hossam> ok
[13:03:10] <mudd`Hossam> sooo.
[13:03:16] <cpm> all IPs that are visible, should have PTR records
[13:03:20] <robtone_> _ruben, it's just a guess. I've had troubles on freebsd when there were no filehandles anymore. leading also to a completely unusable system
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[13:03:47] <mudd`Hossam> cpm: is this perhaps something in my main.cf or master.cf?
[13:03:54] <robtone_> (even such things as typing on console takes foreve)
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[13:06:18] <_ruben> robtone_: thanks for the tip .. got a meeting now, will investigate a bit later
[13:07:00] <_ruben> fs.file-nr = 736        0       371532
[13:07:03] <_ruben> net.core.somaxconn = 128
[13:07:04] <mudd`Hossam> cpm: anything else i can do to stop the ip name lookup failure?
[13:07:09] <_ruben> bbiab
[13:08:18] <robtone_> fs.file-nr seems okay. net.core.somaxconn should be set to 1024
[13:08:34] <cpm> yeah, set up your dns correctly
[13:09:14] <mudd`Hossam> through my domain provided networksolutions.com, through my firewall (smoothwall), with my isp?
[13:09:43] <cpm> probably your isp
[13:09:46] <mudd`Hossam> oiy
[13:09:47] <mudd`Hossam> ok
[13:09:59] <mudd`Hossam> i do have a static ip though btw
[13:10:32] <cpm> in this case, at&t
[13:10:38] <mudd`Hossam> correct
[13:11:13] <mudd`Hossam> i should tell them i want our ip to resolve to mail.muddclub.net for ptr recrods?
[13:11:22] <mudd`Hossam> can i have another domain as well? mail.muddclub.org
[13:11:23] <mudd`Hossam> ?
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[13:14:07] <mudd`Hossam> found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup
[13:14:10] <mudd`Hossam> thanks btw
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[13:22:22] <dustybin> ive messed up my mail server
[13:22:49] <dustybin> i keep on getting this error when my server trys to recieve a email
[13:22:51] <dustybin> Sender address rejected: unverified address
[13:23:15] <dustybin> warning: numeric domain name in resource data of MX record for
[13:24:03] <dustybin> im confused, all i did was remove sasl and re-install
[13:24:15] <dustybin> i havent touched anything else, everything was working ok before
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[13:26:38] <mudd`Hossam> cpm: which dns server will i put into my /etc/resolv.conf? from my domain provider or form my isp?
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[13:53:31] <dustybin> i can see the problem
[13:54:41] <dustybin> when i send a mail to my mail server, the email address isnt recognized and its forwarded on to my ISPs relay SMTP and gets rejected as it should
[13:54:54] <dustybin> it seems like postfix doesnt know what my email address is
[13:55:06] <dustybin> /etc/aliases looks ok, what could be the problem?
[13:55:27] <dustybin> if i send a mail locally, its ok
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[13:58:00] <dustybin> everytime i try and connect to my ISPs relay SMTP it says this
[13:58:02] <dustybin>  connect to relay.o2broadband.co.uk[87.194.0.68]:25: Connection refused
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[13:59:15] <Jax> hi
[13:59:32] <Jax> do i have to watch out how many people i put in to a BCC header of a mail?
[13:59:38] <Jax> are there size limitations?
[13:59:58] <jduggan> dustybin: looks down from here.. might be that they only allow internal 'broadband' hosts access to it
[14:00:10] <jduggan> dustybin: are you trying from an o2 connection? =]
[14:00:48] <mudd`Hossam> does anyone here know what command in linux (ubuntu/debian) to use to find out info about ip addresses (name resolution etc..)?
[14:01:50] <jduggan> host
[14:01:51] <jduggan> dig
[14:01:54] <jduggan> nslookup
[14:02:01] <sysmonk> Jax: yes, look at smtpd_client_recipient_rate_limit and smtpd_recipient_limit
[14:02:01] <mudd`Hossam> oooh thank you
[14:02:25] <sysmonk> Jax: btw, to postfix to and bcc are the same thing
[14:03:26] <dustybin> jduggan: my setup worked perfectly until i removed sasl and re-installed, i cannot figure out whats going on
[14:03:39] <dustybin> jduggan: yes i am trying from my o2 connection
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[14:03:59] <jduggan> dustybin: maybe its a coincidence and o2 are havin problems =]
[14:04:04] <lionel__> hellow, how i can use procmail in script
[14:04:07] <jduggan> cant you telnet/netcat to their port 25?
[14:04:08] <Jax> sysmonk yeah i read that in an RFC one time i think.
[14:04:15] <Jax> actually BCC doesn't even exist in the RFC ?
[14:04:16] <dustybin> jduggan: ok ill try
[14:04:52] <dustybin> yes i can telnet ok
[14:05:07] <dustybin> if i send a mail from home to another address it says this
[14:05:16] <jduggan> do o2 resell be's broadband?
[14:05:28] <dustybin> yes
[14:05:30] <sysmonk> Jax: don't now if it exists or not in rfc, but thing behind it - you don't give a list of addresses in your email body, that's all
[14:05:37] <jduggan> ah, i wasnt aware of that
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[14:06:54] <dustybin> the mail is sent
[14:06:56] <dustybin> status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 746AF984CB)
[14:07:03] <dustybin> but it never gets delivered
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[14:07:22] <Jax> dustybin check postqueue -p
[14:07:27] <Jax> you should have a message there
[14:07:44] <dustybin> server:/etc/postfix# postqueue -p
[14:07:45] <dustybin> Mail queue is empty
[14:08:26] <dustybin> i cant believe ive messed up my whole setup in a space of a few minutes
[14:08:58] <dustybin> i havent touch any postfix setting, and it worked before, so im not going to touch it
[14:09:20] <dustybin> imap-courier has nothing to do with mail being sent and recieved from port 25
[14:09:40] <dustybin> the only thing i removed and re-installed was SASL
[14:10:14] <dustybin> does SASL have anything to do with mail being sent out of port 25?
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[14:15:09] <_ruben> disabling read/write cache did the trick .. now testing with read cache only
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[14:19:08] <dustybin> i think i know the problem
[14:19:27] <dustybin> the clever guys at debian chroot postfix as the default install
[14:19:33] <dustybin> SASL isnt chrooted
[14:19:42] <dustybin> so that means postfix cannot talk to it
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[14:23:58] <jduggan> dustybin: sounds likely
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[14:24:08] <jduggan> postfix chroot problems are common in debian =]
[14:32:05] <sep> strange that i never have issues with postfix in debian... but then again i only have like 4-5 of them :)
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[14:34:56] <_ruben> hmm .. according to half hildebrandt's page, its linux' fault that it cant deal with write caches properly .. even tho the postfix tuning docs suggest enabling write caching :)
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[14:44:27] <Trengo> _ruben thats for 2.4 if im reading it right
[14:44:33] <dustybin> ok its half working, i can now send mail outwards but still cannot recieve anything
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[14:45:50] <_ruben> Trengo: still seems to apply to my 2.6 machine ;)
[14:46:01] <_ruben> Trengo: or do you mean the tuning docs?
[14:46:20] <Trengo> _ruben i mean the ext3 page :)
[14:46:29] <Trengo> i never thought of the write cache
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[14:47:19] <_ruben> performance seems fairly decent without write cache .. so i'll leave it off for now
[14:47:59] <Trengo> mine's simply amazing
[14:48:20] <_ruben> any numbers?
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[14:48:41] <Trengo> havent done them yet, but my mailqueue is always at zero
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[14:49:17] <_ruben> ah :)
[14:49:29] <Trengo> yesterday there was an unidentified problem with the FC, and it couldnt see the spool, so the mail stayed in the queue
[14:49:43] <Trengo> when it restarted there was something like 2400 emails in queue
[14:49:55] <Trengo> they flushed in a few seconds
[14:50:01] <Trengo> like 5 or 6
[14:50:42] <Trengo> i ran postqueue -p 6 or 7 times, and it went down from 2400 to 24 (undeliverables)
[14:51:08] <_ruben> not bad
[14:51:58] <Trengo> i was used to my old solaris with sendmail and hacked procmail
[14:52:54] <dustybin> MX records must be HOSTNAMES, not IP ADRESSES   <-- i didnt know that
[14:53:15] * dustybin goes and edits details
[14:53:24] <Trengo> and those hostnames must be A records, not CNAME
[14:53:27] <cpm> postmaster 101
[14:53:50] <Trengo> the zone shouldnt load in bind at least anyway
[14:53:53] <dustybin> one learns something everyday
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[14:58:50] <dustybin> have there been any stressed out people entering this channel before?
[15:00:27] <dustybin> why doesnt postfix know my own email address anymore? if i send mail to my homeserver, it doesnt know where to post it and trys to forward on to my ISPs SMTP server?
[15:00:33] <sep> dustybin, every day
[15:01:07] <dustybin> where is the setting what says, this is your email?
[15:02:02] <dustybin> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases  <-- is this it?
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[15:04:25] <dustybin> if postfix uses SASL to auth, if i send a email to my homeservers email address, the first thing postfix would do, is check to see where that email is going
[15:05:14] <dustybin> if postfix doesnt match that email to my homeserver, it then just gets forwarded on to another SMTP server
[15:05:56] <dustybin> but the email matches my homeserver, so why does it get forwarded on?
[15:05:59] * dustybin confused
[15:12:41] <_ruben> grmbl .. now the box froze up without even a single mail being sent
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[15:17:28] <myrick> Can someone help me pls: http://nopaste.ch/4548937a51c128a.html =((
[15:17:43] <myrick> It seems to be a cyrus problem ....
[15:18:42] <dustybin> i can send mail to myself ok, so why cant i send mail to myself from a remote location
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[15:20:38] <dustybin>  Sender address rejected: unverified address:
[15:20:44] <dustybin> what the hell does that mean
[15:23:38] <dustybin> May 21 14:19:59 server postfix/smtpd[5304]: connect from blabla.net <-- that looks ok
[15:23:53] <Dominian> it means that person sending couldn't be verified
[15:23:58] <dustybin> May 21 14:19:59 server postfix/smtpd[5304]: warning: numeric domain name in resource data of MX record for <--- this is only a warning
[15:24:31] <dustybin> ^^^ could it be because of that?
[15:27:34] <dustybin> May 21 14:19:59 server postfix/smtpd[5304]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from xxx.net[72.49.82.28]: 450 4.1.7 <webmaster at xxx dot net>: Sender address rejected: unverified address: connect to relay.o2broadband.co.uk[87.194.0.68]:25: Connection refused; from=<webmaster at xxx dot net> to=<dustybin at homeserver dot net> proto=ESMTP helo=<xxx>
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[16:03:00] <dustybin> am i right in thinking
[16:03:03] <dustybin> Sender address rejected: unverified address:
[16:03:19] <dustybin> i get this message because postfix + SASL isnt working properly?
[16:03:45] <rob0> !verify
[16:03:46] <knoba> rob0: "verify" : Sender or recipient address verification features: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[16:04:28] <rob0> Don't use features, especially abusive ones, that you do not understand.
[16:05:13] <dustybin> i have this in my main.cf
[16:05:16] <dustybin> smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain,reject_unverified_sender
[16:07:02] <dustybin> if i dont put that, my box will be used as a spam box
[16:07:03] <dustybin> im confused
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[16:22:28] <hparker> !cheatsheet
[16:22:29] <knoba> hparker: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[16:22:38] <hparker> dustybin: Take a look at ^^^
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[16:25:32] <dustybin> if a mail comes into my postfix box and its for my postfix box, there shouldnt be a problem, the mail should get delivered
[16:25:54] <dustybin> if a mail comes into my box but its not for my postfix box, the mail should get rejected
[16:26:25] <dustybin> the mail is for my postfix box
[16:26:44] <hparker> And that cheatsheet does a very good job explaining just that
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[16:27:09] <dustybin> i just recieved a email, can one believe it
[16:27:11] <dustybin> wtf is going on
[16:28:01] <dustybin> now everything is working out of the blue
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[16:28:05] <colo_mobile> hello all :)
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[16:28:20] <danfg> in what circumstance does postfix change the e-mail's 'from' to something else when sending it out?
[16:29:35] <colo_mobile> I got a site with traditional unix logins, all of the form "xyy*" (x=first letter of given name, yy*=full last name) - I'd like to have a dynamic alias to map x\.yy*@host to xyy*@host - what docs will I have to look into?
[16:31:12] <danfg> my server used to be called xyz.com, but i changed the domain to zyx.com, but my postfix is sending out e-mail and setting the 'from' to currentuser at xyz dot com, why is this happening?
[16:32:00] <Dominian> danfg: myhostname set in main.cf?
[16:32:20] <danfg> Dominian: yeah, i changed myhostname to zyx.com, no mention of xyz.com anywhere
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[16:34:04] <danfg> Dominian: well, actually the certificates, like /etc/postfix/cacert.pem and FOO-cert.pem and FOO-key.pem might have xyz.com in them, do you think that's the cause of the problem? should i remake those certificates/keys?
[16:34:21] <Dominian> I would.
[16:34:31] <Dominian> but something in postfix definitely still thinks its the other domain
[16:34:31] <danfg> hmm ok, will do
[16:35:53] <danfg> Dominian: my mail.log is full of: from=<currentuser at xyz dot com> , even though i'm not sending out any e-mail with that 'from'
[16:36:31] <Dominian> sounds like old email in the queue
[16:36:32] <Dominian> postqueue -p
[16:37:48] <danfg> hmm, don't think so, it's been a while since i changed all the configs, almost two weeks, there are some recent e-mail in the queue there
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[16:52:16] <donspaulding> can I use transport_maps to drop all messages to a specific address?
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[17:17:00] <klando> I am looking at the wiki, but if someone have a link or a tip for the case "moving a mail server to another one (change hostname) *and* mailbox"
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[17:58:24] <klando> how can I switch the backup MX to be the primary MX ?
[17:58:43] <klando> and the primary to be the backup
[18:00:15] <cpm> change the priority in dns
[18:00:18] <cpm> that's about all
[18:00:59] * cpm doesn't run backup mxes, as they cause at least as many problems as they solve.
[18:01:47] <klando> cpm, here I want toknow what happen to the maildir, do postfix will resend all to the *new* primary ?
[18:01:49] <hparker> They solve any? :P
[18:02:25] <cpm> no, they will not resend mail that has already been delivered.
[18:02:36] <klando> I don't care the backup, only to swith host without loosing emails
[18:02:37] <cpm> hparker, in these modern times, I'm not sure they do anything but cause problems.
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[18:03:10] <cpm> turn them both off, change the dns, restart dns, then turn the primary on, done. Nothing lost.
[18:03:27] <hparker> cpm: He's talking the local spool of delivered mail
[18:03:53] <hparker> fetchmail should do it.... rsync might, I forget
[18:03:55] <cpm> mail that's already been delivered, has already been delivered
[18:03:56] <klando> what about cache, do the MX is not cached like dns are ?
[18:04:13] <klando> so, the process :
[18:04:14] <cpm> what about it?
[18:04:54] <klando> I mean, after I change dns conf, do some client can stillsend to the old mx ?
[18:04:55] <cpm> mail won't be delivered to a machine that isn't there/ accepting mail, it will time out eventually, and requery, find the new mx, and deliver there.
[18:05:18] <klando> essentially, I must have the old primary a backup at least some hours
[18:05:27] <klando> cpm, ah great !
[18:05:27] <cpm> why?
[18:05:32] <klando> very great
[18:05:42] <klando> cpm, no need to secondary
[18:05:46] <klando> tks
[18:05:53] <hparker> except spambots... I've got a trap that I set the MX to 127.0.0.1 a couple of years ago that still hits one of it's old servers
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[18:06:27] <klando> and, 2 different mails can not have the same filename on both server, right ?
[18:06:44] <klando> sojust rsync after dns up with new mx, and Iam done
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[18:17:43] <cpm> me, I'd just block access to port 25, let the queue drain while changing the dns, when the queue was clean, open access on the new primary, and be done.
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[18:21:46] <lionel_> hello
[18:21:57] <lionel_> anyone can help me whith amavis
[18:22:39] <lionel_> PLEASE
[18:22:44] <lionel_> relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=41, delays=40/0.01/0/1.1, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 450 4.4.1 Can't connect to 127.0.0.1 port 10025,  (Mauvais descripteur de fichier) at (eval 40) line 145, <GEN5> line 1320., MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025), id=20267-03 (in reply to end of DATA command))
[18:23:04] <cpm> and when you telnet localhost 10025?
[18:23:33] <donspaulding> I want to tell postfix "for emails to test@localhost, don't generate bounce mails to the sender".  I don't need a howto, but can someone point me down the right road?
[18:24:01] <cpm> lionel_, what is the output of netstat -nuat | grep 1002
[18:25:53] <lionel_> cpm:
[18:25:57] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:10025         127.0.0.1:34188         TIME_WAIT
[18:26:02] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:10024         127.0.0.1:60335         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:05] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:10024         127.0.0.1:60334         ESTABLISHED
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[18:26:09] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:10025         127.0.0.1:59361         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:13] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:59361         127.0.0.1:10025         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:26] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:10025         127.0.0.1:34189         TIME_WAIT
[18:26:26] <cpm> lionel_, please don't flood, use a pastebin
[18:26:29] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:60335         127.0.0.1:10024         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:33] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:10025         127.0.0.1:59362         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:34] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:59362         127.0.0.1:10025         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:34] <lionel_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:60334         127.0.0.1:10024         ESTABLISHED
[18:26:34] <lionel_> sorry
[18:26:34] <lionel_> cpm: http://pastebin.ca/1024944
[18:26:34] <lionel_> cpm: yes i can telnet this port
[18:26:44] <cpm> sounds like a chroot issue then
[18:26:53] <cpm> !chrrot
[18:26:54] <knoba> cpm: Error: "chrrot" is not a valid command.
[18:26:55] <lionel_> how ?
[18:26:56] <cpm> !chroot
[18:26:56] <knoba> cpm: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug and !queue_directory .
[18:27:40] <lionel_> i dont understain chroot is for me or for knoba
[18:28:01] <donspaulding> knoba won't find a chroot very useful
[18:28:02] <lionel_> cpm: do you see were is probleme
[18:28:14] <cpm> http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#chroot_setup
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[18:31:02] <donspaulding> cpm: any thoughts on my problem?
[18:31:42] <cpm> donspaulding, haven't seen a problem, when bounce conditions exist, postfix generates a bounce. The End.
[18:31:54] <devdas> !cheatsheet
[18:31:55] <knoba> devdas: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[18:31:55] <cpm> you don't want it to do that, that doesn't look like a problem to me.
[18:32:14] <cpm> good morning devdas
[18:32:25] <cpm> donspaulding, I have no earthly idea.
[18:32:34] <donspaulding> ok, thanks.
[18:32:35] <devdas> good evening
[18:32:52] <cpm> not sure how you would do it, or if it's even doable like that. You could maybe use a filter to catch them and dump'em.
[18:33:46] <devdas> hmmm?
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[18:35:05] <lionel_> cpm: do you see were is my problem
[18:35:10] <donspaulding> cpm: that's the general idea, this box forwards mail for virtual_alias_maps addresses, but each map resolves to two addresses...the actual email, and test@localhost.
[18:35:48] <donspaulding> so I care about one set of errors, not the others, unfortunately :-(
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[18:39:57] <lionel_> hello
[18:40:03] <lionel_> anyone can help me
[18:40:13] <lionel_> i have this probleme
[18:40:16] <lionel_> relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=41, delays=40/0.01/0/1.1, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 450 4.4.1 Can't connect to 127.0.0.1 port 10025,  (Mauvais descripteur de fichier) at (eval 40) line 145, <GEN5> line 1320., MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025), id=20267-03 (in reply to end of DATA command))
[18:40:27] <devdas> Start amavisd
[18:40:32] <Dominian> aye
[18:40:35] <devdas> oh wait
[18:40:44] <devdas> you forgot to edit master.cf and add the second smtpd
[18:40:59] <devdas> It's in the amavisd-new docs
[18:41:03] <lionel_> devdas: http://pastebin.ca/1024944
[18:41:07] <Dominian> s/forgot/didn't read the documentation
[18:41:47] <mwalling> dude, you use mailscanner
[18:42:02] <lionel_> devdas: and there is my master.cf http://pastebin.ca/1024810
[18:42:07] <Dominian> mwalling: so what?
[18:42:14] <Dominian> mwalling: Does that mean I'm totally ignorant in how amavisd works?
[18:43:03] <devdas> lionel_: did you reload Postfix?
[18:43:10] <devdas> Is it listening on 127.0.0.1: 10025?
[18:43:14] * devdas -> dinner
[18:43:25] <cpm> njoy
[18:53:10] <lionel_> devdas: yes /etc/init.d/postfif restart
[18:53:27] <lionel_> devdas yes look http://pastebin.ca/1024944
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[19:09:29] <devdas> lionel_: perhaps a firewall?
[19:09:41] * cpm thinks it's a chroot issue
[19:09:49] <cpm> for no reason at all
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[19:11:44] <devdas> It's a 127.0.0.1:10025 issue
[19:11:52] <devdas> chroot's don't affect netowkr interfaces
[19:11:56] <devdas> network
[19:12:03] <cpm> no, I wouldn't expect so.
[19:12:16] <cpm> got stuff listening at 10025 though, or so he says
[19:12:33] <cpm> says he can telnet to it at localhost, didn't say anyting about a banner though
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[19:49:17] <grandy> hello... is there a way to get the response code from sending mail on the command line w/o parsing the log?
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[19:49:31] <devdas> nope
[19:49:47] <grandy> devdas: bummer, do you know if any MTAs support that?
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[19:50:59] <grandy> devdas: also, do you know if people typically end up parsing the log to see about bounces, etc/
[19:51:01] <grandy> ?
[19:51:05] <devdas> none afaik
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[19:53:13] <chadmaynard> i am getting "May 20 23:46:50 mx3 postfix/smtpd[19162]: timeout after DATA from outboundmail1.federalsignal.com[65.202.118.138]" in my log a lot. on May 20th I got it 81 times and 76 of those times it was this one server. needless to say i am having trouble receiving mail from them. Any clues as to what it means?
[19:53:35] <grandy> devdas: hmm...  do you know if other email servers typically send an email back via the return path when there is a temporary failure?   in other words, is the postfix log redundant for that sort of info, or is there info that's useful and only in the log?
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[20:00:40] <devdas> grandy: Postfix can send a message delay notification
[20:00:53] <donspaulding> grandy: there's info in the logs that is useful and not always present in the bounce mail that is sent.
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[20:05:03] <donspaulding> grandy: what do you need the error code for?  what's the problem you're trying to solve?
[20:06:25] <grandy> donspaulding: thanks for the reply... i just want to be able to track addresses that have bounced
[20:06:38] <grandy> donspaulding: or that have delivery problems... so that I can avoid sending to them again
[20:07:34] <grandy> donspaulding: seems to me that tracking any delivery problem code other than 250 would be useful...
[20:07:43] <donspaulding> you mean you've got a program that sends out emails automatically to a bunch of people, and you want to take addresses that have problems sending out of your list?
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[20:09:09] <grandy> donspaulding: yes exactly
[20:09:33] <donspaulding> that seems pretty harsh if someone in the list is only temporarily unavailable.
[20:10:55] <grandy> donspaulding: hmm... do permanent failures result in an email being sent to the return path?  I've heard that excessive temporary failures can cause problems and indicate thattthe messages might be spam...
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[20:12:08] <donspaulding> grandy: I don't know about that (I'm not too great at Postfix).
[20:12:43] <donspaulding> grandy: essentially you're looking for something like this though:  grep 'status=' /var/log/mail.info|grep -v 250
[20:13:02] <grandy> donspaulding: donspaulding yeah more or less
[20:13:13] <donspaulding> grandy: then use that.  more or less ;-)
[20:13:45] <grandy> donspaulding: well ideally it would just let me use sendmail from the command line and then it would print the status code to the shell.. :)
[20:14:42] <donspaulding> grandy: postfix does that already, you want it to use postfix as a smarthost though, and get the result back that postfix gets.
[20:15:28] <grandy> donspaulding: well, i think so... would there be an easier approach where I could still have some control over what is going on?
[20:15:29] <donspaulding> it could take hours for postfix to deliver a mail, but that's good, it'll still deliver it, but your script can't wait that long.
[20:15:50] <grandy> donspaulding: ahh ok, i see
[20:15:54] <donspaulding> grandy: write your own mail server
[20:16:13] <grandy> donspaulding: been contemplating doing that
[20:16:26] <donspaulding> python+twisted.mail works for me :-)
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[20:16:45] <grandy> donspaulding: hmm interesting... what do you do w/ temporary failures?
[20:16:55] * cpm says use a mailing list manager, that's what they are for.
[20:17:07] <donspaulding> grandy: yeah, what he said.
[20:17:32] <mw-home> I want to set up an address on my mailserver so that when an email is sent to that address, I run a script.  I set up /etc/aliases, and the script is run by the user "nobody".  This is challenging because "nobody" has very file permissions.
[20:17:59] <grandy> hmm
[20:18:02] <donspaulding> grandy: I actually don't do the same thing you do, I'm only interested in logging the SMTP headers to a DB as the emails come through, so my mail server doesn't deliver them anywhere.
[20:18:13] <grandy> ahh ok...
[20:18:19] <grandy> any example of a mailing list manager ?
[20:18:40] <donspaulding> http://www.list.org/
[20:18:46] <grandy> donspaulding: ahh ok thanks
[20:19:15] <grandy> thanks for the help guys, i have limited experience with mail so this is going to entail some learning for me.. .:)
[20:19:42] <mw-home> I created a user instead, then put a .forward file in the new user's home dir, and now the script runs as the new user, but it doesn't seem to load that user with all their unix groups
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[20:44:11] <myrick> hi, could somebody help me with this http://rafb.net/p/9Gwwf837.html ?
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[20:52:39] <kithpom> hi to all.
[20:54:47] <kithpom> I have a question regarding secondary mx. I have seen that spammers might use a secondary mx to attempt spamming primary suggesting that you can direct emails to the secondary. How might this be done? I ask because I might want to test the functionality of a secondary mx setup for my primary. Thanks for input.
[20:55:56] <kithpom> Basically my question is this: How do I send emails to the secondary mx directly so that I might check that they are being forwarded?
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[20:58:37] <seekwill> telnet to it
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[21:01:30] <cpm> the principal reason folks attack the secondary mx record, is due to the fact that a lot of secondaries have no verification process. Since the mail sent from the secondary to the primary is trusted, this works in many ways. If the recipient isn't valid, the primary will generate a bounce, making the domain a beautiful backscatter spamming platform, and if it's accepted, great too!
[21:01:42] <cpm> there is no downside for the spammer
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[21:02:19] <myrick> hi .. why cyrus always says [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM acct error] -- installed is openmailadmin with virtualusers in mysql .. pls, somebody could help me ? I would be so glad .. I'm earching till hours
[21:02:45] <cpm> what is openmailadmin?
[21:03:14] <myrick> an administrative tool for virtual domains, mailboxes, etc.. for postfix
[21:03:22] <cpm> maybe you should check with them
[21:03:32] <myrick> i checked that ..
[21:04:39] <cpm> ewww, mailing list not very active.
[21:05:17] <cpm> bad sign
[21:05:27] <kithpom> cpm: I'm thinking of using dyndns.com backup mx service. I believe they have controls on that.
[21:05:56] <seekwill> I've used them. Good provider
[21:05:57] <kithpom> seekwill: is that how the spammers do it?
[21:06:01] <seekwill> kithpom: No
[21:06:21] <seekwill> But it's how you do it if you want a quick and dirty way to test it
[21:06:40] <seekwill> telnet to port25 on the box you want to test
[21:08:17] <kithpom> seekwill: thx for your help. so I telnet to port 25 and send an email to internal address?
[21:08:39] <seekwill> yep
[21:08:49] <kithpom> sounds pretty simple. Thx
[21:08:58] <seekwill> Very simple.
[21:10:29] <myrick> ehmm strange:
[21:10:56] <myrick> if i connect with a virtual user .. doesn't working but if i set user: cyrus and pw: ***** it works ...
[21:11:08] <myrick> saslauthd[32408] :do_auth         : auth success: [user=cyrus] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=pam]
[21:11:09] <myrick> saslauthd[32408] :do_request      : response: OK
[21:11:14] <seekwill> whoa
[21:11:17] <myrick> uthd[32408] :do_auth         : auth failure: [user=postmaster] [service=imap] [realm=my-rick.de] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM acct error]
[21:11:17] <myrick> saslauthd[32405] :rel_accept_lock : released accept lock
[21:11:34] <seekwill> so strange
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[21:12:44] <myrick> what could it be ?
[21:13:18] <seekwill> maybe it's sendmail causing the problem.
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[21:24:01] <lionel2> hello anyone can help me
[21:24:08] <lionel2> i'm with amavis new
[21:24:33] <lionel2> but spamassassin donc work
[21:24:39] <lionel2> anyone can help me
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[21:36:13] <cyr-> Why do senders get bounced message alert when the mail is arriving anyway? May 21 18:58:03 mail postfix/lmtp[4993]: C9C1F1363AC: to=<prufulisti at mydomain dot com>, relay=mail.humac.is[/Volumes/MailBin/var/imap/socket/lmtp], delay=0.71, delays=0/0.02/0.23/0.46, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host mail.mydomain.com[/Volumes/MailBin/var/imap/socket/lmtp] said: 550-Mailbox unknown.  Either there is no mailbox associated with this 550-name or you do not have authorizatio
[21:40:35] <kithpom> cyr-: is there an alias or bcc/forward that does not exist for that user?
[21:41:19] <cyr-> yeah prufulisti at mydomain dot com is an alias
[21:41:22] <kithpom> lionel2: have you tried following a guide for setting it up.
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[21:42:05] <kithpom> cyr-: ok an alias for what? more than one address? is there one that is not current perhaps?
[21:42:09] <cyr-> prufulisti at mydomain dot com -> prufulisti at mail dot mydomain.com that is a mailman list.
[21:42:37] <kithpom> my thought is that an address that is being translated is not valid.
[21:43:03] <kithpom> did you make a change that would have removed a user or added an address that is not valid?
[21:43:49] <kithpom> seekwill: telnet is plain text, right? is there a more secure thing to use?
[21:44:24] <cyr-> kithpom: yeah its saying the mailbox doesnt exist, but it isnt supposed to be a mailbox, its just supposed to be an alias
[21:44:29] <lionel2> kithpom: no i'm french
[21:45:02] <lionel2> kithpom: yes i have try amavis and clamav work but not spamassassin
[21:45:19] <kithpom> lionel2: not sure what that has to do with it....guides are only in english and that is a problem for you? or the french don't follow guides? :)
[21:46:17] <kithpom> cyr-: you said the mail goes through but sends not. of failure. my suggestion is that some goes through some does not. how many users are aliased to that address?
[21:47:07] <lionel2> kithpom: i have follow the guide, spamc work correctely whith filter.sh
[21:47:14] <lionel2> why not whith amavis ?
[21:48:00] <cyr-> kithpom: only one user is aliased to the address. only prufulisti at mydomain dot com -> prufulisti at mail dot mydomain.com. and a 100% of the mail is delivered and 100% of senders are notified it wasnt delivered.
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[21:48:45] <lionel2> kithpom: i have try 3 amavisd configuration, i'have never see spam flag !
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[21:50:01] <kithpom> lionel2: in email or in logs?
[21:50:06] <kithpom> both?
[21:50:16] <lionel2> kithpom: on emain nothing
[21:50:33] <lionel2> kithpom: on log nothing
[21:50:53] <lionel2> kithpom: clamav stop my virus correctely
[21:50:56] <kithpom> cyr-: did you try a direct mail to prufulisti at mail dot mydomain.com?
[21:51:54] <lionel2> kithpom: what is -o i must do for use spamassassin in master.cf ?
[21:51:56] <cyr-> kithpom: yes, and when I send directly to prufulisti at mail dot mydomain.com it works fine, but when I send to prufulisti at mydomain dot com it also works fine but gives senders failure notice.
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[21:53:12] <kithpom> cyr-: check out aliases make sure it is only one. check .forward files if procmail. check recipient_bcc if relevant. make sure no forwarding is being done to another address. also check log to see if another address is being attempted.
[21:53:58] <lionel2> kithpom: how i can say at amavis "use spamc " please help me
[21:58:49] <lionel2> ok
[21:58:55] <cyr-> kithpom: /var/root/.forward has /dev/null in it, and /var/teamsserver/.forward has "|/usr/share/wikid/bin/bundleMail.py" in it
[21:59:08] <lionel2> amavis is big cheat
[21:59:30] <lionel2> now i prefer windows whith exange
[21:59:46] <kithpom> lionel2: did you follow a guide to install?
[21:59:55] <lionel2> kithpom: yes
[22:00:10] <kithpom> i am not best person to help you I am sorry. just trying to help in way I can.
[22:00:13] <lionel2> kithpom: lealinux linux-pour-les nuls ccm
[22:00:23] <kithpom> cyr-: what is in the last file?
[22:00:45] 
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[22:01:31] <lionel2> and i know this command exist
[22:01:34] <lionel2> ?
[22:02:03] <lionel2> i just need to know how
[22:02:24] <lionel2> anyone have spamassassin whith amavis-new here ????
[22:03:08] <cyr-> kithpom: a python script
[22:03:36] <kithpom> cyr-: you said it was a mailman list. what does that mean exactly?
[22:03:41] <lionel2> anyone know what is amavis and spamassassin
[22:04:07] <cyr-> kithpom: MailMan the software
[22:04:20] <lionel2> a question
[22:04:21] <cyr-> kithpom: I created a MailMan list called prufulisti
[22:04:35] <cyr-> kithpom: and it works fine when I send to prufulisti at mail dot mydomain.com
[22:04:38] <kithpom> ok you said it was a list? does that mean it goes to more than one final address?
[22:04:45] <lionel2> why i'have 10 file for configure amavis ?
[22:04:49] <cyr-> kithpom: yes it goes to 2 addresses
[22:04:54] <kithpom> and each work?
[22:04:59] <cyr-> kithpom: yeah
[22:05:16] <kithpom> have you check your logs to see where the error is being generated?
[22:05:33] <lionel2> i'm  oblige to use this 10 files
[22:06:50] <lionel2> it oblige to be
[22:06:50] <lionel2> se strict;
[22:06:50] <lionel2> $MYHOME = '/var/lib/amavis';   # (default is '/var/amavis')
[22:06:50] <lionel2> $mydomain = 'localhost';
[22:06:50] <lionel2> # $myhostname = 'serveur.domain.tld';  # fqdn of this host, default by uname(3)
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[22:07:07] <cyr-> kithpom: yes maillog says May 21 18:58:03 mail postfix/lmtp[4993]: C9C1F1363AC: to=<prufulisti at mydomain dot com>, relay=mail.mydomain.com[/Volumes/MailBin/var/imap/socket/lmtp], delay=0.71, delays=0/0.02/0.23/0.46, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (host mail.mydomain.com[/Volumes/MailBin/var/imap/socket/lmtp] said: 550-Mailbox unknown.  Either there is no mailbox associated with this 550-name or you do not have authorization to see it. 550 5.1.1 User unknown (in reply
[22:07:47] <lionel2> it's oblige to be complicate
[22:08:03] <lionel2> can i use one file for define my amavisd.conf
[22:08:09] <lionel2> hello
[22:08:12] <lionel2> anyone is here
[22:08:16] <lionel2> anyone know
[22:08:25] <lionel2> you are zombies
[22:08:26] <kithpom> cyr-: prufulisti at mydomain dot com is not a real address correct? so maybe it is trying to deliver to that address as well as alias?
[22:08:35] <lionel2> yes i'm follow guide
[22:08:35] <kithpom> lionel2: calm down
[22:08:50] <lionel2> i'have follow 15 guides
[22:08:54] <lionel2> what is the command
[22:09:01] <lionel2> for use spamd whith amavis
[22:09:07] <lionel2> it's simple no ?
[22:09:09] <cyr-> kithpom: prufulisti at mydomain dot com is just an alias to prufulisti at mail dot mydomain.com
[22:09:26] <cyr-> lionel2: stick with one guide
[22:09:48] <kithpom> I get that. but if it aliased to itself and other then would still try to deliver to that address.
[22:10:08] <lionel2> i can pay
[22:10:20] <lionel2> how many $ do you want
[22:10:44] <lionel2> all member of this channel is noobs or zombies ?
[22:11:19] <lionel2> nobody know amavis
[22:11:26] <cyr-> kithpom: how do I see if its aliased to itself?
[22:11:38] <lionel2> nobody know spamassassin
[22:11:41] <lionel2> NOBODY
[22:11:43] <kithpom> I would think in aliases
[22:11:55] <cyr-> lionel2: when are you going to join #amavis ?
[22:12:32] <cyr-> kithpom: I create the alias in Open Directory on another server
[22:12:46] <Trengo> i just arrived, but i really have no experience with SA and postfix
[22:13:11] <kithpom> cyr-: are you saying you have no access to it?
[22:13:35] <cyr-> kithpom: yes I can delete the alias and create another one in the OpenDirectory server
[22:13:55] <lionel2> Trengo: ok you havent got spamd whith amavisd ?
[22:15:41] <kithpom> lionel2: what do you correctly have set for spamassassin in your conf file?
[22:15:46] <kithpom> sorry currently
[22:17:13] <Trengo> lionel2 i have nothing with postfix, everything gets filtered before that
[22:17:50] <lionel2> kithpom: spamassassin work correctely whith filter.Sh but i need to make quarantaine for spame is hite more than 6
[22:18:46] <victori_> I went over the documentation, how do I make sure postfix sends out from a specific IP?
[22:18:47] <lionel2> kithpom: i use virtual user whith postfix, therefore i can't use procmal
[22:18:56] <kithpom> lionel2: what are your spamassassin relevant settings in your amavis conf file?
[22:18:57] <cyr-> kithpom: I changed the alias to forward to gmail.com, and still the same, sends to gmail fine but returns error that the mailbox doesnt exist
[22:19:29] <kithpom> cyr-: same error in log?
[22:19:29] <lionel2> kithpom: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/serveur/postfix_mysql_tls_sasl
[22:19:49] <lionel2> kithpom: see /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf
[22:20:45] <victori_> smtpd isn't binding to a specific IP address, anyone know how to force it?
[22:20:53] <cyr-> kithpom: yeah same error, it says the alias doesnt exist as mailbox
[22:21:13] <lionel2> kithpom: i d'ont know if i can use one file on amavis-new for make my configuration because i dont know why but i'have 10 file for configure amavisd
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[22:24:48] <kithpom> yes lionel2 what do you have setup in amavisd.conf for spamassassin?
[22:25:25] <cyr-> kithom: i created another alias that has no relation to anything and redirects to hotmail, and i get the same error, so its unrelated to mailman.
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[22:26:42] <kithpom> cyr-: can you think of anything else that might be forward the mail?
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[22:27:45] <kithpom> cyr-: your log errors are damn cryptic you know that? be nice to have plain speak which user does not exist.
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[22:28:55] <lionel2> kithpom: i have setup nothing
[22:29:26] <kithpom> lionel2: if you set up nothing why would you expect it to be doing something? here is a link might be relevant http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/#faq-spam
[22:30:46] <cyr-> kithpom: the Mailbox:<the random alias @ random domain that I create> doesnt exist
[22:31:24] <kithpom> cyr-: can you add that mail account and just have it go nowhere or something?
[22:31:35] <kithpom> as a possible solution.
[22:31:56] <kithpom> or maybe that was silly.
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[22:33:15] <DanielX> hello :D
[22:33:40] <kithpom> cyr-: but mail gets sent anyway, right?
[22:33:48] <cyr-> kithpom: yeah mail works anyway
[22:34:02] <cyr-> kithpom: in the Open Directory I must choose if its mailbox or alias
[22:34:09] <cyr-> kithpom: so I guess I cannot have both
[22:34:33] <kithpom> hmm where is the mailbox located?
[22:34:54] <lionel2> kithpom: what pakage i must install for use spamassassin whith amavis ?
[22:35:06] <DanielX> i need help :D
[22:35:09] <DanielX> http://pastebin.com/d1a22d7d
[22:35:35] <kithpom> lionel2: did you look at the link i posted?
[22:36:11] <cyr-> kithpom: he's complaining the mailbox doesnt exist at mail.mydomain.com, the Open Directory server is located at directory.mydomain.com but is another machine
[22:36:28] <DanielX> my config is
[22:36:29] <DanielX> http://pastebin.com/d7fb77b05
[22:36:30] <lionel2> kithpom: yes i have look
[22:36:58] <kithpom> lionel2: now look at amavisd.conf and see what those settings are on your system.
[22:37:43] <kithpom> cyr-: is it trying to deliver locally and it is remote? trying to deliver both?
[22:38:02] <kithpom> cyr-: i am kind of at a loss. which doesn't take much :(
[22:38:09] <lionel2> kithpom: i dont look any amavisd.conf, i havent-got amavisd.conf
[22:38:26] <cyr-> kithpom: yeah it delivers the alias perfectly but then also tries to deliver the mail locally
[22:38:27] <lionel2> i have 01-debian  05-domain_id  05-node_id  15-av_scanners  15-content_filter_mode  20-debian_defaults  25-amavis_helpers  30-template_localization  50-user
[22:38:32] <kithpom> lionel2: wtf? have you installed it and other packages?
[22:38:55] <lionel2> i have amavis-new on debian
[22:39:04] <kithpom> lionel2: and a partridge and a pear tree.
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[22:40:06] <kithpom> lionel2: and spamassassin is installed as well?
[22:40:26] <lionel2> kithpom: yes i can use it whith filter.sh in master.cf
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[22:41:42] <DanielX> May 21 15:28:10 (none) postfix/proxymap[3106]: fatal: unsupported dictionary type: mysql
[22:41:43] <DanielX> O_O
[22:41:51] <lionel2> kithpom: i havent got X-spam header on my mail
[22:41:59] <DanielX> This is the problem: there's no MySQL support in Postfix????
[22:42:12] <DanielX> help :S
[22:42:28] <kithpom> DanielX: did you install that version?
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[22:42:59] <DanielX> kiliko, 2.4.1
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[22:43:42] <DanielX> i compiling from source
[22:43:45] <will_> which man page would i need to look to to find what variables are available to me in proxy maps (such as %s, %d etc.)
[22:44:06] <kithpom> lionel2: are you getting spam?
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[22:45:39] <DanielX> kithpom, how can I see if postfix has support for mysql???
[22:46:32] <kithpom> DanielX: what OS?
[22:46:41] <DanielX> Linux Slackware
[22:46:46] <Dominian> uhh
[22:46:49] <Dominian> postfix doesn't come with slackware
[22:46:55] <DanielX> kithpom, Linux Slackware
[22:46:59] <Trengo> DanielX ldd `which postfix`|grep mysql
[22:47:02] <Dominian> DanielX: http://wiki.slackadelic.com
[22:47:14] <Trengo> if its there, its there
[22:47:18] <Dominian> thre's a howto there that I wrote that tells you how to use slackbuilds.org scripts and making changes to it to include mysql support
[22:47:22] <DanielX> Dominian, http://wiki.slackadelic.com/doku.php/howto:mailserver
[22:47:27] <DanielX> i can use this wiki
[22:47:28] <Dominian> DanielX: yep
[22:47:34] <Dominian> Trengo: Slackware does not include postfix
[22:47:36] <DanielX> i have problem with mysql and postfix
[22:47:43] <Dominian> DanielX: I know.. read what I said.
[22:47:51] <DanielX> uhmm okis
[22:47:52] <Dominian> Read the howto on how to get postfix configured for mysql
[22:48:00] <DanielX> Dominian, look
[22:48:08] <DanielX> CCARGS='-DUSE_SASL_AUTH -DDEF_SERVER_SASL_TYPE=\"dovecot\" -DUSE_TLS -DHAS_PCRE -DHAS_MYSQL -I/usr/include/mysql' \
[22:48:09] <DanielX>   AUXLIBS="-L/var/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -lssl -lcrypto -L/usr/lib -lpcre"
[22:48:10] <Dominian> Just look at the postfix portion for building/installing postfix with mysql support
[22:48:12] <Trengo> Dominian so which postfix was DanielX asking about?
[22:48:19] <Dominian> Trengo: doesn't matter
[22:48:23] <Dominian> Trengo: Slackware doesn't come with it
[22:48:26] * Dominian shrugs
[22:48:36] <DanielX> Trengo,
[22:48:37] <DanielX> http://pastebin.com/d1a22d7d
[22:48:38] <Dominian> Trengo: He needs to follow the instructions I gave him for enabling mysql support in a slackbuild for Slackware.
[22:49:00] <lionel2> kithpom: it'is for 1400 inbox yes i getting spam
[22:49:11] <Dominian> If he wants mysql support.. postfix has to be rebuilt if he didn't build it in originally
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[22:49:38] <DanielX> Dominian, do you use slackware?
[22:49:46] <Dominian> DanielX: I'm not saying use my flags exactly... but if you want mysql support.. pay attention to the -I/usr/include/mysql and -L/var/lib/mysql and -lmysqlclient etc etc
[22:49:49] <Dominian> DanielX: uhh yeah
[22:49:54] <DanielX> nice :D
[22:50:22] <Dominian> there are a few extra flags as I use dovecot for sasl/imap etc
[22:52:30] <ghostknife> My mailserver is an MX handler for a few domains. I am trying to divert all e-mail coming into this server which is FROM a certain domain @X.co.za to goto a specific mailbox INSTEAD. Meaning it should not go to it's original destination.
[22:52:40] <DanielX> Dominian, okis
[22:53:50] <Dominian> !transport
[22:53:51] <knoba> Dominian: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[22:58:05] <ghostknife> knoba: are these related to sender addresses? or From headers?
[22:59:35] <ghostknife> If the envelope sender is a at y dot co.za, and the From is a at x dot co.za, and if the from is a at y dot co.za and the a at x dot co.za, and if both the envelope+from is a at x dot co.za, both should be removed from any destined deliveries, and delivered to where I tell it to
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[23:02:55] <Dominian> ghostknife: knoba is a bot
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[23:04:24] <SteveC> Is there a 'good' way of having mail go to mutiple addreses?  Currently I create (for instance), a virtual user called _accounts at example dot com then have email for accounts at example dot com go to that and another.
[23:04:52] <SteveC> would be neater if the user was accounts at example dot com and the email address was that too - then it gets copied to others.
[23:05:16] <ghostknife> oh, my bad.
[23:05:24] <ghostknife> Dominian: whatever i said to the bot :>
[23:05:47] <lionel2> hello
[23:06:01] <Dominian> hah
[23:06:19] 
[23:06:23] <Dominian> ghostknife: basically .. transport is what you wat..
[23:06:24] <lionel2> anyone can help me
[23:06:39] <Dominian> lionel2: you realy should be reading amavisd documentation for this
[23:06:39] <Trengo> someone mentioned virtual vacation/autoresponder with postfix and pointed me to some doc, but i cant find it...
[23:06:48] <Trengo> anyone remember?
[23:06:54] <Dominian> wasn't me.. I hate vacation/autoresponders
[23:06:57] <lionel2> Dominian: were is your ferch documentation for me
[23:07:01] <Dominian> and refuse to offer that functionality
[23:07:17] <Dominian> lionel2: what?
[23:07:22] <Dominian> I don't use amavisd
[23:07:29] <Dominian> their website probably has your answer.
[23:07:37] <lionel2> Dominian: i m frech i d'ont indurnstand your english documentation
[23:07:55] <Trengo> lionel2 learn english :P
[23:08:06] <lionel2> it's not funny
[23:08:09] <lionel2> i learn
[23:08:16] <Trengo> of course it is
[23:08:19] <lionel2> but in frech i dont understain to
[23:08:28] <lionel2> i 'have try and try and try
[23:08:36] <Trengo> if you cant, hire someone that can
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[23:08:58] <Trengo> its not the product's fault that you cant read english!
[23:09:19] <lionel2> i 'have see a lot of perpol work correctly
[23:09:30] <lionel2> Trengo: i read english
[23:09:37] <lionel2> i'have find man in frech
[23:09:48] <lionel2> but he dont work
[23:09:51] <lionel2> never
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[23:10:05] <lionel2> why i speak whith you
[23:10:20] 
[23:10:32] <lionel2> i know how configure amavisd
[23:10:51] <lionel2> but i don't know why i 'havent got spamd in my mail.log
[23:11:04] <lionel2> were in my amavisd.conf i call spamd
[23:11:26] <lionel2> why i haven't got any error in my /var/log/mail.log
[23:11:59] <lionel2> if you are clever and cool you asking me to past amavis-new debug
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[23:14:05] <lionel2> why i have this in my debug May 21 2312:54 ns3515645458626.ovh.net /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[9576]: No $dspam,             not using it
[23:14:38] <lionel2> Trengo: kithpom Dominian
[23:14:53] <lionel2> Trengo: kithpom Dominian why i have this in my debug May 21 2312:54 ns3515645458626.ovh.net /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[9576]: No $dspam,             not using it
[23:16:37] <Trengo> lionel2 what do i know? i dont use that, i never tried it
[23:16:42] <Trengo> zero experience
[23:16:55] <lionel2> Trengo: you are noobs
[23:17:06] <Trengo> lol
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[23:17:15] <Trengo> yes i am noobs i know nothing :)
[23:17:33] <Trengo> but i can read english if i want to
[23:17:35] * Trengo laughs
[23:18:04] <lionel2> Trengo: you cannot say hey lionel2 for using spamassassin use this $dspam = 'dspam'
[23:18:25] <lionel2> Trengo: i'm better than you for read english i thinl
[23:18:38] <Trengo> lionel2 i dont know how to do that :)
[23:18:43] <SteveC> Anyone else trying to do this?  An email address that goes to the named account and another one?  can't have a forward of account at example dot com going to account at example dot com ?  :)
[23:18:53] <Trengo> im not pretending, i really dont know
[23:19:33] <kithpom> lionel2 in amavisd.conf do you have this # @bypass_spam_checks_maps = (1); # uncomment to DISABLE anti-spam code?
[23:20:08] <rob0> For one thing, this isn't the amavisd channel. For another thing, "dspam" != "spamassassin". Third, amavisd-new does not need spamd; it invokes the spamassassin code as perl modules in the running amavisd process.
[23:20:46] <Dominian> SteveC: why in the hell would you do that?
[23:20:52] <Dominian> SteveC: postfix won't allow that...
[23:20:54] <kithpom> rob0: give him a break he is french
[23:20:55] <growltiger_> alias
[23:21:08] <rob0> kithpom: I did, I answered him.
[23:21:15] <Dominian> postfix still wouldn't allow aliasing an emaila ddress to itself
[23:21:18] <Dominian> would cause a major loop
[23:21:26] <SteveC> Dominian: because I currently have an email address such as accounts at example dot com and the customer wants to copy all of the email for that an address to another one.
[23:21:41] <kithpom> SteveC: recipient_bcc
[23:21:43] <lionel2> rob0: i have amavisd-new and he say
[23:21:43] <lionel2> May 21 23:12:54 ns354626.ovh.net /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[9576]: OS_Fingerprint code  NOT loaded
[23:21:43] <lionel2> May 21 23:12:54 ns354626.ovh.net /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[9576]: ANTI-VIRUS code      NOT loaded
[23:21:43] <lionel2> May 21 23:12:54 ns354626.ovh.net /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[9576]: ANTI-SPAM code       NOT loaded
[23:21:43] <lionel2> May 21 23:12:54 ns354626.ovh.net /usr/sbin/amavisd-new[9576]: ANTI-SPAM-SA code    NOT loaded
[23:21:53] <ghostknife> Dominian: I don't get how transport is what I want. Transport matches against the recipient
[23:22:02] <kithpom> lionel2: answer my question.
[23:22:03] <rob0> pastebin, don't flood
[23:22:06] <ghostknife> Dominian: I am trying to change the recipient based on the sender
[23:22:22] <rob0> ANTI-SPAM code       NOT loaded
[23:22:43] <SteveC> kithpom: ahh, that looks good.  Looking through it now, thanks :)
[23:22:44] <rob0> 21:19 < kithpom> lionel2 in amavisd.conf do you have this # @bypass_spam_checks_maps = (1); # uncomment to DISABLE anti-spam code?
[23:22:49] <lionel2> rob0: ok how i load
[23:23:13] <lionel2> rob0: i search beacause i have 10 file for configure amavis
[23:23:24] <kithpom> SteveC: my pleasure :)
[23:23:40] <Dominian> ghostknife: I see..
[23:23:54] <Dominian> !alias
[23:23:54] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "alias" is not a valid command.
[23:23:57] <Dominian> grrr
[23:24:04] <lionel2> rob0: this line is comment
[23:24:07] <Dominian> rob0: can you help me with this one..?
[23:24:14] <Dominian> oh.. no you can't
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[23:25:50] <kithpom> you can do that with procmail though right?
[23:26:58] <kithpom> lionel2: did you ask in #amavis ?
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[23:27:35] <Trengo> Dominian i would alias the alias to the mailbox and the remote
[23:27:40] <Dominian> ghostknife: I thought that is what you needed, but now I think I'm wrong.. and I can't remember what it is you need to accomplish that...
[23:27:50] <Dominian> huh
[23:27:55] <Dominian> What are you trying to do?
[23:28:02] <Trengo> account: user,account@gmail
[23:28:09] <Dominian> er ok
[23:28:20] <Dominian> makes sense I guess
[23:28:25] <Trengo> but mine are virtual, so its the same thing but in a virtual alias map
[23:28:42] <Trengo> works btw
[23:29:00] <ghostknife> Dominian: well, sender_bcc_maps seems to do the trick, but it still delivers the original mail. You know how to cancel delivery of that one?
[23:29:29] <Dominian> hmmm
[23:29:32] <Dominian> no I don't
[23:29:37] <Dominian> I don't do anything like that..
[23:29:43] <Dominian> I'm sure in time I will, but not right now
[23:29:49] <Dominian> anyway.. time to head home.. have a good evening/day/night all
[23:30:08] <kithpom> ghostknife: do you keep any of those mails for that account or they all get forwarded?
[23:30:21] <Trengo> Dominian cheers!
[23:31:13] <lionel2> rob0: i have derfine $dspam but he dont work correctely i must use spamassassin , spamc, or spampd
[23:31:13] <ghostknife> How do I get the postfix version?
[23:31:42] <ghostknife> kithpom: I just want all mail coming from a certain domain to NOT get delivered to their destination, but rather sent to a specific account
[23:31:47] <growltiger_> postconf
[23:32:05] <lionel2> dspam is for the statistique
[23:32:32] <ghostknife> I don't see any -version switches in the postfix commands
[23:34:13] <ghostknife> Oh well, it's too bad. I can't do it on this ancient box
[23:34:35] <ghostknife> Is there a way to have all mail at least piped through a specific program's std input, and have this program return success/failure and delivery be based on that?
[23:35:16] <lionel2> rob0: i have derfine $dspam but he dont work correctely i must use spamassassin , spamc, or spampd
[23:35:41] <lionel2> how i can have ANTI-SPAM code   loaded
[23:36:42] <kithpom> lionel2: what OS did you say you were using?
[23:37:33] <rob0> I don't do much with amavisd, I can't help. I set it up twice, never went back to it.
[23:37:44] <lionel2> kithpom: debian
[23:38:03] <rob0> I did say that dspam isn't spamassassin.
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[23:48:05] <kithpom> lionel2: you have postfix calling amavis?
[23:50:44] <kithpom> lionel2: can you post what you have for your $sa_tag and $sa_kill settings?
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[23:58:32] <lionel2> kithpom: my $sa_ : http://pastebin.ca/1025328





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