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[02:22:06] <zuez> hey folks, if I was to append a message to the body of all my outbound messages, is there an easy way to manipulate that into postfix?
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[02:25:38] <dragonheart> zuez: push the email though a transport that appends it is my guess. keep searching. I'm sure someone has done it
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[02:27:17] <zuez> interesting thought
[02:28:09] <Trengo> its not easy i think
[02:28:30] <Trengo> because of the MIME parts
[02:29:14] <zuez> well, if you can dissemble the pieces of the message according to the appropriate MIME, reconstruct it, and inject it back into circulation, might be do able
[02:29:37] <Trengo> yes
[02:30:04] <Trengo> add it to *which* part?
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[08:01:40] <Samonoske> how do i set this up on debian to deliver mail and recieve it externally?
[08:04:47] <jpalmer> !basic
[08:04:48] <knoba> jpalmer: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[08:05:07] <jpalmer> get to reading, mister.
[08:06:25] <sahil> foreal.
[08:08:17] <Samonoske> lol..ok thanks
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[08:16:11] <Samonoske> i have this in my main.cf relay_domains = $mydestination
[08:16:18] <Samonoske> when i restart postfix
[08:16:41] <Samonoske> Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main. cf, line 36: missing '=' after attribute name: "relay domains = $mydestination"
[08:18:01] <SteveC> you might need to post more of your main.cf
[08:18:04] <SteveC> (to a pastebin)
[08:18:07] <Samonoske> k
[08:18:15] <SteveC> NOT to the channel :)
[08:20:33] <SteveC> oh, relay_domains, not relay domains
[08:22:20] <Samonoske> sterna that worked thanks..the configuration readme was off.
[08:22:24] <Samonoske> oops
[08:22:27] <Samonoske> SteveC*
[08:22:33] <Samonoske> not sterna
[08:22:38] * sahil doubts it.
[08:23:18] <Samonoske> sahil you doubt what?
[08:23:29] <SteveC> that the config readme got that wrong
[08:23:36] <SteveC> but <shrug>, glad it's working now :)
[08:25:01] <Samonoske> well it restarted
[08:25:06] <sahil> SteveC: the README linked above clearly says relay_domains *not* relay domains (the latter having a space in place of the "_").
[08:25:08] <Samonoske> but it still wont send or recieve externally
[08:25:13] <sahil> show logs
[08:25:28] <Samonoske> relay_domains = $mydestination (default)
[08:25:32] <sahil> paste your postconf -n output to pastebin. read the DBEUG_README so you know where to look for problems and ask questions.
[08:25:43] <sahil> see? relay_domains. not relay domains.
[08:26:08] <Samonoske> ooh i see.. the text is underlined
[08:26:19] <Samonoske> so when it was underlined i couldn't see the underscore
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[08:26:20] <Samonoske> lol
[08:27:55] <Samonoske> http://pastebin.com/d4b1d47a6 <-- what i get with postconf -n
[08:30:00] <SteveC> Samonoske: http://www.postfix.com/DEBUG_README.html might be worthwhile - you're likely to get more useful info on what's happening from the logs
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[08:38:05] <sahil> # telnet mail.renovotia.com 25
[08:38:05] <sahil> mail.renovotia.com: hostname nor servname provided, or not known
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[08:39:08] <Samonoske> dns hasn't completely updated yet
[08:39:09] <Samonoske> holdon
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[08:39:40] <sahil> well, that impacts others' ability to email your machine. :P
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[08:41:11] <sahil> ah, netsplits.
[08:41:38] <Samonoske> ttl 120seconds
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[08:56:41] <Samonoske> sahil it works now
[09:02:33] <Samonoske> Okay now i can recieve mail
[09:02:35] <Samonoske> w00t
[09:02:40] <Samonoske> but i can't send it
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[09:09:58] <sahil> heh
[09:10:01] <sahil> show logs.
[09:10:09] <sahil> what happens when you try to send email?
[09:11:48] <Samonoske> connect to mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.89]: Connection timed out (port 25)
[09:16:22] <SteveC> You're not running a SMTP server on that port.
[09:16:47] <SteveC> or probably on that server.
[09:17:23] <Samonoske> what?
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[09:18:37] <Motoko-chan> Samonoske, port 25 being blocked by isp?
[09:19:02] <Samonoske> Motoko-chan it's open
[09:19:05] <Samonoske> with my router
[09:19:14] <Motoko-chan> Doesn't mean anything.
[09:19:17] <Motoko-chan> Who is your ISP?
[09:19:59] <Samonoske> AT&T
[09:20:11] <Motoko-chan> Residential or business?
[09:20:27] <ramis> hello there. i have a postfix server and for some odd reason i am getting attacked frequently.....the problem is that the attacker manages to find out the login name of an email account and keeps trying for the password. what makes this weird is that the login name for the account is different than the email account (i.e. XXXX at domain dot com). what is wrong with my system that makes people able to find the login name to exploit!!? thanks
[09:20:53] <Samonoske> Motoko-chan residential
[09:21:09] <Motoko-chan> AT&T blocks outbound 25 on their residential customers.
[09:21:20] <Samonoske> can i request unblock?
[09:21:24] <Motoko-chan> You can try having them remove the block (good luck) or relay out through their servers.
[09:21:59] <Motoko-chan> You can request whatever you want, doesn't mean they will do it.
[09:22:13] <Samonoske> ofc
[09:22:17] <Samonoske> but it's worth a shot
[09:22:31] <Motoko-chan> ramis, how easy is the username?
[09:22:56] <Samonoske> Motoko-chan should i open 143 for imap?
[09:23:05] <Motoko-chan> Samonoske, that won't affect sending out.
[09:23:39] <Samonoske> Motoko-chan i know..but my server is imap capable
[09:23:56] <ramis> example: info at domain dot com, username fsinfo
[09:24:01] <Motoko-chan> Then do what you want to.
[09:24:13] <Motoko-chan> ramis, dunno, maybe just disctionary attacks?
[09:25:12] <ramis> i agree it could be.....because it takes them like 7-10 days before they are able to exploit....
[09:25:32] <Motoko-chan> Maybe your outbound e-mail also leaks the username?
[09:25:39] <Motoko-chan> Check the headers of an outbound one.
[09:26:31] <ramis> good idea...let me check.
[09:27:29] <Samonoske> Motoko-chan if i do get port 25 unfiltered will i now be opening myself up for big attacks?
[09:28:02] <Motoko-chan> Depends. If you know what you are doing and keep watch, probably not.
[09:28:48] <Samonoske> you know where i can go to learn to keep watch.i'm pretty much n00b
[09:29:04] <Samonoske> also Motoko-chan http://www.dslreports.com/faq/11943 for opting out of port 25 filtering
[09:30:36] <sahil> Samonoske: why don't you just relay through ATT's SMTP servers?
[09:30:44] <ramis> Motoko-chan, i checked it the headers dont have the leak
[09:30:56] <sahil> not such a bad idea for them to block outgoing 25 -- stops a lot of the compromised zombies.
[09:31:18] * Motoko-chan nods
[09:31:45] <Motoko-chan> Besides, running servers on residential accounts is usually against the TOS.
[09:33:50] <sahil> Samonoske: are you configuring postfix just to relay mail for yourself?
[09:34:40] <Samonoske> sahil no
[09:34:58] <Samonoske> but i'm looking into using atts smtp servers now
[09:34:59] <Samonoske> for outgoing
[09:35:17] <sahil> Samonoske: do you support actual users with a postfix server that will need to be 24/7 sitting on your residential link?
[09:35:51] <sahil> Samonoske: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost
[09:36:42] <Samonoske> sahil yes
[09:37:15] <Samonoske> but its' not going to be like aol or anything just a few accounts
[09:37:54] <Motoko-chan> Be careful, they can terminate your connection if they want to
[09:38:44] <Samonoske> hmm
[09:39:45] <Motoko-chan> Check the TOS, it probably explicitly says no servers.
[09:40:30] <Samonoske> okay..googling now..but hey i use the relayhost = [smtp.att.yahoo.com] to forward outgoing to them?
[09:41:21] <Motoko-chan> Check the Postfix docs, you need to authenticate too
[09:43:14] <Samonoske> AT&T is not responsible for the loss of your data or for the back-up or restoration of your data regardless of whether this data is maintained on our servers or your computer or server.
[09:43:27] <Samonoske> Motoko-chan from ATT TOS..i assume they allow it to some extent
[09:43:31] <Samonoske> still looking holdon
[09:44:27] <Samonoske> there's not much about it...
[09:44:35] <Samonoske> http://www.att.net/csbellsouth/s/s.dll?spage=cg/legal/att.htm&leg=tos
[09:45:08] <sahil> anyway, ATT TOS is beyond the scope of postfix discussion. if you can do it, just configure relayhost as necessary with authentication (if necessary), and that's all.
[09:47:14] <Samonoske> ok
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[09:58:57] <Samonoske> will it's sorta working
[09:59:30] <Samonoske> i followed this http://freelock.com/kb/Postfix_relayhost ..so now everytime i try and send outgoing mail i get an error from the mail delivery system
[09:59:51] <Samonoske> host smtp.att.yahoo.com[68.142.229.41] said: 530
[09:59:51] <Samonoske> authentication required
[10:00:39] <Motoko-chan> http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/
[10:01:13] <Motoko-chan> Also: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-105309.html
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[10:07:12] <sahil> Samonoske: if you want to use yahoo to relay mail to *non*-yahoo users, you obviously have to authenticate somehow. otherwise, their server(s) would be open relays. that's a bad thing (tm).
[10:11:33] <Samonoske> yes i see.. i'm trying to set the it up now....
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[10:17:52] <Samonoske> still not logging in
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[12:41:18] <shyam_k`> hi in /etc/postfix/main.cf , i have given both home_mailbox= .maildir/ and mail_spool_directory=/home/shyam/.maildir/ but still when i trigger fetchmail -va,its dumping the mail to /var/mail/mail.. whats that i am missing?
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[12:42:51] <shyam_k`> what else can be given to main.cf? or should i change some parameters in fetchmail to direct where the mails are to be dumped?
[12:50:05] <shyam_k`> how can i redirect the mails to some where in my home directory?
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[13:02:26] <shyam_k`> i just copied /var/mail/mail to my home dir and all worked just fine,but how can i make that change in postfix conf files?
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[13:05:01] <devdas> shyam_k`: are you invoking procmail via mailbox_command?
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[13:06:36] <shyam_k`> no...
[13:07:04] <shyam_k`> ops yes:)
[13:07:58] <shyam_k`> /etc/postfix/main.cf has mailbox_command = procmail -a "$Extension"
[13:08:16] <devdas> comment that out, reload postfix
[13:10:00] <war9407> anyone using any cool postfix policy servers?
[13:10:14] <devdas> define cool
[13:11:09] <war9407> anti-spam/UCE
[13:11:30] <devdas> policyd
[13:12:35] <war9407> tried that, didnt like it much , esp. dependency on a DB, so far I use spf/policyd-weight/GeoIP_PolicyD/greylisting
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[13:14:39] <war9407> I get 1 spam per day or so every day or every other day
[13:14:43] <war9407> want to get that to 0
[13:14:44] <war9407> :P
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[13:25:48] <jduggan> policyd v2
[13:25:50] <jduggan> !
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[13:34:01] <war9407> havent' tried it
[13:34:07] <war9407> only v1
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[13:56:26] <Laban> Hi
[13:59:45] <devdas> lo
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[14:10:27] <Laban> What tools can I use to allow my users to add mail filters to their incomming e-mail? I host multiple domains w/ virtual mailboxes (gets info from MySQL) and maildir.
[14:11:28] <Laban> Filters like the ones available in the clients.... Like if sender is this put in folder that
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[14:15:18] <devdas> maildrop
[14:15:21] <devdas> !maildrop
[14:15:22] <knoba> devdas: "maildrop" : a delivery agent similar to 'procmail' which also works for virtual accounts. It's part of the "courier" mail server. See: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/
[14:15:44] <devdas> or put it in the clients
[14:15:54] <RabidW> I'm trying to move emails from one user in the spool to another user (via mv on the file system). It doesn't appear to be working, do I need to somehow regenerate the .index or .cache file or use a specific tool?
[14:16:50] <devdas> RabidW: which IMAP server?
[14:16:53] <devdas> Cyrus?
[14:17:24] <RabidW> Oh yes, cyrus. I guess I shouldn't be #postfix then. D'oh.
[14:17:34] <devdas> don't use mv
[14:17:41] <devdas> Use IMAP
[14:18:03] <devdas> using the restoremailbox command might work
[14:18:10] <devdas> or the equivalent
[14:18:14] <RabidW> yeah, in hindsite mv seemed pretty stupid as the mail message number is not globally unique
[14:18:17] <RabidW> thanks for the advice
[14:18:30] <devdas> The cyrus mailstore is a blackbox
[14:18:41] <devdas> you aren't supposed to go poking at it
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[14:25:52] <Laban> Can maildrop be used for out-of-office functions too?
[14:32:58] <devdas> maildrop + vacation
[14:33:03] <devdas> !vacation
[14:33:03] <knoba> devdas: Error: "vacation" is not a valid command.
[14:33:06] <devdas> grrr
[14:33:15] <devdas> there's a script called virtual vacation
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[15:06:05] <Trengo> there is?
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[15:12:50] <devdas> yes
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[15:18:30] <Trengo> man i didnt know it was there
[15:18:33] <Trengo> i wrote my own
[15:20:53] <Trengo> hmm i dont like it much
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[16:34:44] <Frankl> May 18 16:33:48 linuxVPS postfix/master[13429]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 24243 exit status 1
[16:34:45] <Frankl> May 18 16:33:48 linuxVPS postfix/master[13429]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
[16:34:45] <Frankl> May 18 16:34:09 linuxVPS postfix/master[13429]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/bounce pid 30494 exit status 1
[16:34:45] <Frankl> May 18 16:34:09 linuxVPS postfix/master[13429]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/bounce: bad command startup -- throttling
[16:34:45] <Frankl> May 18 16:34:09 linuxVPS postfix/master[13429]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtp pid 30495 exit status 1
[16:34:48] <Frankl> May 18 16:34:09 linuxVPS postfix/master[13429]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling
[16:34:51] <Frankl> where is the problem=
[16:34:53] <Frankl> ?
[16:34:59] <jpalmer> holy walloftext
[16:35:24] <devdas> Frankl: grep fatal /var/log/maillog
[16:35:45] <thumbs> the problem is that he's flooding
[16:36:11] <devdas> that's another problem
[16:36:18] <devdas> 6 lines of paste
[16:36:22] <devdas> !pastebin
[16:36:22] <knoba> devdas: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[16:37:05] <Frankl> May 18 16:33:07 linuxVPS postfix/bounce[19608]: fatal: inet_addr_local[socket]: socket: No buffer space available
[16:37:05] <Frankl> May 18 16:33:07 linuxVPS postfix/smtp[13444]: connect to mail.axforme.com[212.180.85.3]: Connection timed out (port 25)
[16:37:05] <Frankl> May 18 16:33:07 linuxVPS postfix/smtp[13444]: fatal: socket: Cannot allocate memory
[16:37:21] <devdas> grrrrrrrrr
[16:37:38] <devdas> buy more memory, or run fewer smtpd processes
[16:37:51] <devdas> and learn to use the pastebin
[16:38:36] <Frankl> any way to use less memory with postfix?
[16:38:51] <Frankl> before I had sendmail on the same server was no problem
[16:39:32] <thumbs> then you must have had more memoery available back then
[16:41:38] <rob0> Something is going on at the OS level, investigate and fix that first. Selinux?
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[16:59:41] <cite> Frankl: it is not a good idea to run with a default process limit of 100 on a virtual private server.
[17:00:32] <reya276> on the postfix main.cf file what should the "relayhost" entry value be?
[17:00:40] <Frankl> where can I change that
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[17:01:57] <cite> Frankl: postconf -e default_process_limit=20 && postfix reload
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[17:03:30] <Frankl> I will sent process limit to 5
[17:03:33] <Frankl> set
[17:05:29] <reya276> cite: I keep getting this error when trying to send an email out "RCPT TO <reya276 at gmail dot com> failed: <reya276 at gmail dot com>: Relay access denied" what could this be, I mean clearly is Access denied, but how can I fix this?
[17:06:14] <cite> reya276: Is that a message generated by your local postfix server?
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[17:07:46] <reya276> cite: that is what I get from evolution
[17:08:01] <cite> reya276: Anyways, there is a good SOHO setup description in the official docs: http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html
[17:08:24] <cite> reya276: Your problem seems to be that the host trying to deliver that message is either not SASL authed or not in the mynetworks setting.
[17:08:24] <reya276> cite: let me look at the mail.log file and see what it says
[17:08:28] <cite> Fix that.
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[17:13:52] <Frankl> what can I do to run the postfix
[17:13:59] <reya276> cite: oh it was the SASL thing
[17:14:10] <reya276> cite: take a look at this error "May 18 11:12:40 krusty postfix/smtpd[17075]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory "
[17:14:43] <cite> reya276: This is a FAQ. Your problem is discussed in http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[17:15:03] <Frankl> there will be to few privvmpages
[17:15:13] <Frankl> so postfix will stop working
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[17:15:48] <cite> Frankl: From what you told us on other channels, you are trying to provide a multitude of services in an environemnt that is very limited in terms of available memory, sockets and so on.
[17:15:53] <cite> Frankl: Don't do that.
[17:16:48] <Frankl> which other channel?
[17:17:11] <cite> The German ones on IRCnet.
[17:17:22] <Frankl> ok
[17:17:49] <sahil> pwned.
[17:17:58] <cite> If you absolutely have to, start with optimizing ressource consumption of the other services. Get rid of that default apache installation, to start with.
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[18:46:04] <Frankl> i have master.cnf open
[18:46:05] <Frankl> pickup fifo n - - 60 1 pickup
[18:46:05] <Frankl> cleanup unix n - - - 1 cleanup
[18:46:05] <Frankl> qmgr fifo n - n 300 1 qmgr
[18:46:05] <Frankl> #qmgr fifo n - - 300 1 oqmgr
[18:46:05] <Frankl> tlsmgr unix - - - 1000? 1 tlsmgr
[18:46:07] <Frankl> rewrite unix - - - - - trivial-rewrite
[18:46:33] <mwalling> !pastebin
[18:46:34] <knoba> mwalling: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[18:46:37] <Frankl> how can I ensure that it will use absolut minimum of memory?
[18:48:09] <rob0> How much RAM do you have?
[18:48:12] <devdas> reduce the number of lookup tables, and the # of smtpd and smtp processes
[18:49:54] <rob0> My main MX (which is also my outbound relay) has 128M RAM, works very well. I used to run on a 32M user-mode Linux VPS, also without problems.
[18:50:23] <Frankl> http://rafb.net/p/iGIVt363.html
[18:50:39] <Frankl> please tell me what to do to run my postfix with minim memory
[18:52:25] <rob0> not if you won't answer my question ... it doesn't work that way. "if [ beggar -eq 1 ] ; then echo 'You cannot be a chooser.' ; fi"
[18:52:44] <rob0> oops
[18:52:48] <rob0> $beggar
[18:53:00] <rob0> and that should have been "$beggar"
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[19:03:26] <mutante> trying to setup dovecot as transport for postfix, i get "warning: connect to transport dovecot: No such file or directory" in mail.log. I have edited master.cf and added "dovecot unix - n n - - pipe" flags=DRhu user=vmail:vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -d ${recipient} , and the program exists in that path.. i have also done "postconf -e virtual_transport=dovecot" ...
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[19:09:30] <devdas> mutante: is there a leading space?
[19:11:24] <mutante> in front of the line "flags=", yes
[19:11:33] <mutante> but thats how the other lines looked too
[19:11:44] <devdas> and before dovecot?
[19:11:50] <mutante> no
[19:12:01] <devdas> that looks correct
[19:12:05] <mutante> i put it in the part "Other external delivery methods."
[19:12:09] <devdas> did you reload Postfix?
[19:12:28] <mutante> was under the impression by using "postconf -e" i dont have to do that
[19:13:04] <devdas> you need to
[19:13:38] <mutante> status=sent (delivered via dovecot service)
[19:13:53] <mutante> thanks, such a stupid reason :p
[19:13:54] <devdas> there you go
[19:14:09] <devdas> postconf -e merely edits main.cf
[19:14:38] <mutante> ok, my bad, i misunderstood some tutorial then
[19:16:02] <reya276> devdas: I still have been able to get my smtp to send out mail
[19:18:48] <reya276> devdas: please take a look at my main.cf file and see if there is anything I'm doing wrong, cause at this point I don't what is going on http://www.pastebin.org/36861
[19:19:03] * devdas looks
[19:19:06] <mutante> heh, i was about to say i used the German version of http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/index.html.en , but telling from the domain name in the topic URLs you know that one ;)
[19:19:23] <mutante> thanks for that one
[19:21:38] <devdas> reya276: first put all your smtpd* restrictions in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[19:21:44] <devdas> then test?
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[19:22:09] <devdas> oh, and your logs
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[19:27:49] <reya276> devdas: check PM please
[19:30:56] <reya276> http://www.pastebin.org/36862
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[20:33:00] <Bitruder> How can I see messages in the postfix queue?
[20:33:22] <Bitruder> postqueue -p
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[20:34:13] <devdas> that
[20:34:20] <Bitruder> can I empty the queue?
[20:35:25] <devdas> either postqueue -f or postsuper -d ALL
[20:35:32] <devdas> read the manuals and make your choice
[20:35:48] <Bitruder> I just tried to send an email to hotmail and I get this: 452 4.3.1 Insufficient system storage
[20:35:53] <Bitruder> Is that my end or theirs?
[20:36:09] <devdas> did Postfix queue your message?
[20:36:11] <devdas> or not?
[20:36:16] <devdas> What do your logs say?
[20:37:46] <Bitruder> ok, maillog was 500MB so I deleted it and restarted postfix
[20:37:52] <Bitruder> but now nothing is being written to maillog
[20:38:35] * rob0 sighs
[20:39:25] <rob0> this is normal. Your syslogd will continue to write to the deleted maillog until you restart it.
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[20:41:21] <devdas> open filehandles stay open even if you delete the file from disk
[20:41:40] <Bitruder> I restarted syslog and it's working. Thanks
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[20:42:19] <WIDESPREADpanic> hey everyone
[20:42:36] <WIDESPREADpanic> is anyone willing to answer a qustion about running tls ?
[20:42:40] * devdas hands a copy of THHGTTG to WIDESPREADpanic
[20:43:11] <WIDESPREADpanic> *devdas?
[20:43:35] <devdas> what about TLS?
[20:43:54] <rob0> If your TLS is running, you had better go catch it!
[20:44:08] <WIDESPREADpanic> thats funny
[20:44:26] <WIDESPREADpanic> is port 587 the default ?
[20:45:01] <devdas> 587/tcp is recommended
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[20:45:17] <rob0> for submission
[20:45:58] <WIDESPREADpanic> ok - is there a command i can run from bash to tell me what ver of postfix im running, sorry for lame question
[20:46:27] <rob0> postconf mail_version
[20:46:59] <rob0> if it was installed from distributor's package, there's probably a distributor's command too.
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