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[02:29:11] <pietje_phuck> Is there any way to block external mail to a user while alowing internal mail?
[02:31:35] <rob0> check_recipient_access with REJECT action, coming after permit_mynetworks in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[02:33:20] <pietje_phuck> thanks rob0
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[03:48:03] <jnelson> cannot retrieve messages off server with microsloth outlook. Help?
[03:50:17] <jnelson> could anyone tell me where to point the client to? ie incoming server outgoing server? should they be domainname.com or something like imap.domainname.com
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[03:53:00] <mwalling> !basic
[03:53:01] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[03:54:08] <jnelson> yes i have been through all that. thing is, i have roundcube installed and everything works fine there. i can send messages from local client but cannot download imap mailbox
[03:55:17] <jnelson> i have dovecot instlled. would getting messages off the imap server to my desktop client be a dovecot issue or postfix
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[04:08:16] <seekwill> Messages don't leave the imap server...
[04:08:23] <seekwill> (psst, that's POP3)
[04:09:27] <jnelson> i am having some kind of login issue where the server is not allowing me to connect and download the imap folders
[04:09:59] <mwalling> hint, 21:57 < Faxe> dovecot talks imap/pop3 and postfix talks smtp
[04:14:39] <seekwill> Well, Microsoft Outlook and Roundcube are both IMAP clients. So they both should work the same...
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[04:16:45] <seekwill> ... find out what the difference is... how they connect, etc.
[04:22:52] <jnelson> roundcube connects on localhost and my local client connects over the wan interface
[04:24:41] <jnelson> where are the mail log files located that would show connection errors? /var/log/mail?
[04:34:06] <mwalling> !logs
[04:34:07] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[04:44:44] <jnelson> output of that is...... grep: /var/log/apparmor: Permission denied
[04:44:45] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/audit: Permission denied
[04:44:45] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/faillog: Permission denied
[04:44:45] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/gdm: Permission denied
[04:44:45] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/krb5: Permission denied
[04:44:45] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/mysqld.log: Permission denied
[04:44:47] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/news: Permission denied
[04:44:50] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/samba/cores: Permission denied
[04:44:51] <jnelson> grep: /var/log/YaST2: Permission denied
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[05:13:49] <qiyong> is the 587 submission port widely used/supported now?
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[05:56:47] <jeffi> good nigh, I am trying to compile postfix with SASL support, but it insists to say smtpd_sasl_auth_enable is true, but SASL support is not compiled in
[05:57:50] <jeffi> is there anything that changes on postfix compilation since version 2.1 that I need to change to have SASL support ?
[05:58:06] <jeffi> changed
[05:59:19] <jeffi> i already googled alot, but no sucess to find something that helps
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[06:05:46] <pickcoder> jeffi: platform?
[06:05:53] <jeffi> pickcoder slackware
[06:07:57] <pickcoder> can't help.. haven't run that since 3.0
[06:08:12] <pickcoder> I've never actually built postfix from source
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[06:11:32] <jeffi> pickcoder ok, no problem, i'm gonna try to google a litle bit more
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[06:26:42] <pickcoder> jeffi: many base installs don't have SASL support compiled in by default
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[08:38:04] <ktdreyer> I have several IPs blocked in my smtpd_client_restrictions file, but should I use DISCARD or REJECT?
[08:38:30] <ktdreyer> I can't tell from reading the docs whether REJECT would cause backscatter spam
[08:38:59] <ktdreyer> so for now I'm using DISCARD - but does anyone know if REJECT is safe to use there?
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[08:43:21] <checkers> reject is safe to use
[08:43:36] <checkers> the restriction occurs during connection, not during queue processing
[08:43:39] <ktdreyer> cool
[08:43:46] <ktdreyer> thanks checkers
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[09:21:53] <sysmonk> ktdreyer: discard is evil
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[10:50:19] <postmanx> hello all, I have a problem sending emails. all of a sudden
[10:50:24] <postmanx> could you pls help ?
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[10:51:29] <postmanx> I am running postfix on ubuntu. I used to send messages without problems however today when I send a message from a client computer, it is placed in the queue
[10:51:47] <postmanx> and gives Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=brodinshipping.se type=MX: Host not found, try again
[10:51:53] <postmanx> for all the recipients
[10:51:55] <postmanx> one by one
[10:54:04] <Roobarb> check you local DNS configuration
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[10:55:28] <postmanx> Roobart: The mail servers static ip is 192.168.1.10 but in resolv.conf it writes 192.168.0.1
[10:55:35] <postmanx> something wrong ?
[10:56:12] <postmanx> I have never modified the dns things and the system worked perfect.. now what has changed I hv no clue
[10:56:44] <rob0> What has changed?
[10:56:48] <rob0> ah
[10:56:57] <rob0> new router?
[10:57:10] <postmanx> no. but electricity cut-off during weekend
[10:58:27] <postmanx> I dont have any dns server installed on my system and after I configured postfix, it used to serve flawless..
[10:58:37] <rob0> "dig brodinshipping.se. mx @192.168.0.1"
[10:59:27] <postmanx> connection timeout. no servers could be reached
[10:59:34] <postmanx> a-ha
[10:59:40] <postmanx> 192.168.1.1 worked
[11:01:37] <postmanx> rob0: after I modify the resolv.conf file, do I have to reload something ? except postfix?
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[11:01:56] <postmanx> bcos altho 192.168.1.1 worked, postfix still holds the queue with same errors
[11:05:56] <sysmonk> requeue them
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[11:08:57] <postmanx> requeued and nothing has changed. it is also strange that when I reboot the computer, the resolv.conf file is not updated automatically.
[11:09:00] <postmanx> shouldnt it be ?
[11:09:45] <pablasso> im using sasl with pam for users auth (with virtual users registered in mysql), but when i try to login with "user at example dot com" pam splits it into user and realm, i need it to be complete, as the complete email is the actual user, how can i fix that? (is annoying to send "user at example dot com@example.com")
[11:10:34] <f3ew> postmanx chroot issues?
[11:10:48] <f3ew> pablasso run saslautg with the -r flag
[11:10:51] <sysmonk> postmanx: it's your distro specific question. also, you can have postfix chrooted so the resolv.conf must be copied to /var/spool/postfix ...
[11:12:31] <postmanx> sysmonk: now it sends messages. looks OK however cud you pls tell me whether possible to type some other ns ip inside resolv.conf.. i.e. my provider's ?
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[11:13:08] <sysmonk> sure, you can type in whatever ns'es in your resolv.conf
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[11:14:07] <postmanx> ok thanks.
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[11:17:57] <postmanx> sysmonk: resolv.conf also reads "search domain.com".. is that line necessary
[11:17:58] <postmanx> ?
[11:18:56] <pablasso> f3ew: i just did, but the -r flag doesn't seems to make any difference, it still splits them
[11:20:03] <f3ew> postmanx no
[11:20:11] <f3ew> pablasso hmmm
[11:20:32] <f3ew>      -r      Combine the realm with the login (with an '@' sign in between).  e.g.  login: "foo" realm: "bar" will get passed as login:
[11:20:33] <f3ew>              "foo@bar".  Note that the realm will still be passed, which may lead to unexpected behavior
[11:20:37] <f3ew> From man saslauthd
[11:21:59] <pablasso> mmm i have a bunch of flags already for debugging, i'll try to shut them down
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[11:30:16] <pablasso> f3ew: it worked thanks :) (i was putting the flag on the wrong place.. dumb me)
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[11:32:01] <postmanx> f2ew: where can I see the error logs of outgoing emails ?
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[11:57:21] <f3ew> postmanx it's all in your maillog
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[12:11:43] <postmanx> f3ew: I just noted that some recipients refusing to talk. because of sending data before recieving an smtp banner
[12:11:52] <postmanx> can I fix this within postfix?
[12:12:27] <insertable> hi there. I am wanting to setup a mail server on my ubuntu box. according to webmin i have postfix 2.2.10 installed. i am very new to this and don't understand a lot of docs online. can someone please point me in the right direction as to where to start? thanks
[12:15:18] <f3ew> postmanx Postfix waits for a banner
[12:15:28] <f3ew> !basic
[12:15:29] <knoba> f3ew: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[12:15:32] <f3ew> !standard
[12:15:33] <knoba> f3ew: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[12:17:07] <checkers> insertable: read the above two links too
[12:17:20] <postmanx> ok reading now. tnks
[12:17:23] <insertable> thanks for the links
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[12:24:19] <postmanx> f3ew: neither of links include "banner" matters
[12:24:28] <postmanx> can you point out another source to read ?
[12:24:33] <postmanx> I dont know how to google it
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[12:33:42] <hnsz2002> hi, i'm use postfix 2.4.5 on opensuse 10.3 server, and i have a little problem with authentication
[12:33:58] <hnsz2002> here is my main.cf: http://pastebin.ca/1015611
[12:34:57] <hnsz2002> the server does not ask for authentication, and does not request it the tls
[12:35:07] <hnsz2002> why?
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[12:46:52] <dragonheart> hnsz2002: postconf -n is prefered for config files.
[12:46:59] <dragonheart> what do the logs say?
[12:47:13] <dragonheart> where are you connecting from?
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[12:48:40] <hnsz2002> postconf -n output: http://pastebin.com/m454f47a0
[12:49:05] <hnsz2002> i look az logs...
[12:50:38] <dragonheart> i'm thinking that you're connecting on port 25. while it supports auth it doesn't mandate it. is TLS offered when you connect (STARTTLS)?
[12:50:56] <dragonheart> are AUTH options presented on connection?
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[12:53:41] <hnsz2002> http://pastebin.com/m3c89aaa5
[12:54:20] <hnsz2002> when i telnet to port 25, yes: 250-STARTTLS
[12:55:19] <hnsz2002> but if the clien set to None, sends it then the mail
[12:55:36] <hnsz2002> and not ask for user/pass
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[12:58:45] <padde> hnsz2002: perhaps you're looking for http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_enforce_tls
[12:59:36] <padde> or maybe just http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_tls_auth_only (if it's a publicly reachable server)
[13:02:22] <hnsz2002> tls_auth_only option is enabled
[13:03:08] <hnsz2002> now set enforce_tls = yes, it works... not allow connection without tls. but yet always not ask user/pass :)
[13:03:17] <rob0> I still haven't seen a high-level description of the problem and the desired result.
[13:04:15] <padde> yeah, me neither
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[13:05:28] <hnsz2002> what I would like to attain: only tls let him receive contacts, and let sending a letter simply after authentication be possible
[13:06:08] <hnsz2002> sorry, but i am not english perfect :)
[13:09:31] <rob0> "A remote user (thunderbird or comparable MUA) is configured to use TLS and AUTH, but is unable to send mail." Is that accurate?
[13:10:08] <rob0> If the MUA is a Microsoft product, try thunderbird.
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[13:10:49] <hnsz2002> i use thunderbird... :)
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[13:14:37] <hnsz2002> that question, that why does not ask for authentication
[13:15:33] <jelly> Hi.  I'd like to implement forward-lookup quota for a recipient on a remote server, and do SMTP-time rejection on frontend SMTP servers based on that.  Where can this functionality be plugged in on frontend postfix?
[13:17:23] <jelly> ... it seems that in addition to receiving backscatter, I'm also generating loads of it.  O:-)
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[13:18:38] <rob0> jelly, a check_recipient_access lookup in smtpd_recipient_restrictions to list the overquota users. Don't accept mail for users which don't exist.
[13:19:21] <jelly> rob0: I already don't accept mail for those; right now it seems the over-quota is the next biggest culprit
[13:19:41] * jelly rtfms
[13:19:53] <rob0> Generate your access list on the backend machine.
[13:20:20] <rob0> it can also be done by means of SQL or LDAP if you have those working.
[13:21:28] <jelly> Ideally I'll want something as close to realtime as possible; fake ldap (poor man RPC :-) if the load on POP storage machine will allow.
[13:24:09] <rob0> recipient verification might do it
[13:24:12] <rob0> !verify
[13:24:13] <knoba> rob0: "verify" : Sender or recipient address verification features: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
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[13:35:49] <jelly> Nah, I'll just generate the db.  Current frontends run (heavily patched) qmail and use a database to reject unknown recipients, but I prefer a smtpd that can be tuned without editing C code and rebuilding.
[13:38:08] <rob0> frontends? I thought you said Postfix was the frontend.
[13:39:31] <jelly> it will be.
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[13:39:56] * cpm frontends rob0, and apologizes
[13:40:33] <jelly> our previous mail admin liked qmail very much, what canna say :-)
[13:41:46] <sysmonk> none of our current admins like sendmail, don't like qmail, don't like exim. but were's still using those :/
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[13:42:51] <jelly> Thankfully I have freedom to do as I wish.  Current setup is: internet -> qmail frontend farm  -> postfix antispam farm -> qmail storage.
[13:43:13] <rob0> Then I don't see how the question you asked will change anything.
[13:43:33] <rob0> oh, this is just planning for the changeover?
[13:43:48] <jelly> Yes.  I'm getting rid of the separate frontend layer and putting antispam in the front.
[13:44:09] <rob0> Antispam that's NOT on the front is rather ... insane.
[13:44:42] <sysmonk> rob0: i have a similiar setup
[13:44:58] <rob0> Well sure, I *know* you're insane.
[13:45:03] <rob0> !sysmonk
[13:45:04] <knoba> rob0: "sysmonk" : evil
[13:45:12] <sysmonk> internet -> postfix frontends -> amavisd antispam farm -> back to postfix -> cyrus storage
[13:45:42] <sysmonk> (it's a simplified design :P it's all more messed up in the reality)
[13:46:24] <rob0> Oh, you're not even using Zen IIRC, nobody willing to pay for it.
[13:46:33] <rob0> that would suck
[13:46:36] <sysmonk> yup
[13:50:27] <hnsz2002> the authentication work. if i set in thunderbird smtp settings "require username and password", it ask for password, and do not send mail, while i not type it in...
[13:50:47] <hnsz2002> but the server accept connection without user/pass, and delivery it..
[13:51:05] <hnsz2002> i have cannot idea to resolv this problem :(
[13:53:33] <jelly> separate antispam smtps were, of course, a legacy issue.  There was noone to rewrite and test the provisioning glue for postfix, and the commercial antispam app only worked with sendmail or postfix.  (or Java SMS)
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[13:58:53] <jelly> the flow is more convoluted here as well... one funny flow goes like: our customers -> qmail frontends (same as above) -> qmail outgoing (notice the lack of antispam :-)
[13:59:03] <troythetechguy>  I'm using postfix on my drupal site.  When I register for an event, I receive a confirmation e-mail as expected, but when i cancel my registration, I don't receive the confirmation e-mail like I should.  Both incidents show "sent" in /var/log/mail.log, and it's the same e-mail address both times.  Any ideas?
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[14:07:37] <cpm> troythetechguy, please pastebin the relevant logs, so we can have a look, eh?
[14:08:44] <troythetechguy> Sure, but where is the pastbin?
[14:08:58] <rob0> I don't have it!
[14:09:05] <rob0> cpm took it
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[14:10:07] <rob0> http://pastebin.com or http://pastebin.ca ?
[14:10:51] <c00l2sv> hi, can someone help me with dkim-filter configuration to make postfix sign messages?
[14:15:44] <troythetechguy> Here is the pastebin.   http://pastebin.com/d33c2324f
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[14:18:18] <rob0> relay=smtp.warpdriveonline.com[24.56.130.71] has queued message that as 86E32565D8F
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[14:18:42] <cpm> smtp.warpdriveonline.com has the email, go check there.
[14:18:46] <rob0> so ask the owner of smtp.warpdriveonline.com what happened to 86E32565D8F at that date/time
[14:18:54] * cpm tags rob0
[14:19:06] * rob0 is it
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[14:20:19] * cpm hides
[14:23:06] * lunaphyte_ turns on the dryer.
[14:23:35] <rob0> aha! I see cpm behind the dryer!!
[14:23:51] <lunaphyte_> oh darn.  i thought he was in it.
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[14:25:08] * cpm panicks
[14:25:11] <cpm> panics
[14:25:12] <cpm> even
[14:25:34] <lunaphyte_> are you back to huffing mercaptan?
[14:27:04] <cpm> naw, diesel
[14:27:46] <lunaphyte_> you have a diesel powered dryer?  that is sweet.
[14:28:14] * cpm chuckles
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[14:31:52] <rob0> No, sweet is my word. I copyrighted it.
[14:32:15] <lunaphyte_> can i use my mulligan?
[14:32:37] <rob0> Like, those glass portals on the side of your house, you can't call them windows without crediting Microsoft Windows.
[14:33:07] * cpm credits microsoft where appropriate.
[14:33:17] <hnsz2002> uhhh, guys... my problem solved! :) smtpd_recipient_restriction = ...,reject
[14:33:27] <hnsz2002> thank you for help and patience ;)
[14:33:32] <rob0> um
[14:33:40] <troythetechguy> Thanks rob0 and cpm.
[14:33:43] <rob0> smtpd_recipient_restriction = ...,reject
[14:33:54] <cpm> troythetechguy, yw
[14:33:55] <rob0> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ...,reject # does not work on a MX
[14:34:53] <troythetechguy> smtp.warpdriveonline.com is my ISP's outgoing mail server.  I was told I need to use this because they (my ISP) are blocking port 25.  Do you know if it's alright to bring this to their attention?
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[14:38:12] <cpm> troythetechguy, it's certainly okay to ask them where "queued as 86E32565D8F" went.
[14:38:29] <cpm> assuming it never made it to you.
[14:38:48] <cpm> or rather, never made it to anny at mywdo dot com
[14:38:53] <hnsz2002> rob0: why? :( then that let me do it?
[14:40:22] <troythetechguy> cpm: What's interesting is how some (the confirmation for registration) messages make it to me, but the confirmation for cancellation messages never do.  Is it possible that my ISP is using some sort of filter that's causing this?
[14:40:46] <cpm> could be.
[14:40:48] <cpm> ask'em.
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[14:56:33] <rob0> Um, if you didn't use a deliverable sender address with your relayhost, you won't get a bounce.
[14:57:13] <rob0> If the relayhost is unable to deliver your mail to the destination, they send a bounce to the sender address.
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[15:00:47] <hnsz2002> that when i set relayhost = domain.hu, its work?
[15:03:10] <rob0> "MX" means "your host is the host advertised in DNS which should accept mail for your domain." If any of your restrictions stages end in "reject", you will reject all outsiders who send you mail (unless they're explicitly permitted or whitelisted somehow, before the reject.)
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[15:05:43] <hnsz2002> ok, i understand, i know what is MX... but how do I to work as MX, and work authentication?
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[15:08:46] <Rowellen> Hello, at what point should I get concerned about my mailq? For example: my mailq gets up to about 2000.
[15:11:33] <Rowellen> I know why my mailq is that high. But I'm not sure if thats acctually safe.
[15:12:24] <rob0> why is it so high? Backscatter spam?
[15:12:58] <wdp> Rowellen, my mailq gets up to 10 mails. if it's over that i'll check what it's queuing.
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[15:13:51] <wdp> Rowellen, anyway, the "biggest" queue i had was 32 000.
[15:17:16] * sysmonk is afraid of my biggest queue
[15:17:51] <rob0> Sure, if you have the storage space, a queue of 2K is nothing major, as long as it isn't steadily increasing of course.
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[15:22:04] <Rowellen> no I'm from africa
[15:22:17] <Rowellen> there is no power over here
[15:22:43] <sysmonk> you're on sun batteries?
[15:23:09] <Rowellen> I wish
[15:23:57] <Rowellen> Thanks guys
[15:24:14] <Rowellen> and girls
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[15:26:33] <Rowellen> #mailq command is for out going mail correct?
[15:31:43] <f3ew> mailq just prints the queue
[15:32:05] * f3ew points his spamtraps at sysmonk
[15:32:22] <cpm> where in Africa?
[15:32:27] <Rowellen> saffa
[15:32:48] <rob0> .za
[15:32:49] <cpm> Joe-burg by the Lake?
[15:33:00] <Rowellen> capital
[15:33:06] <Rowellen> Pretoria
[15:33:37] <cpm> ah
[15:34:03] <Rowellen> how can I view just the incomming mailq?
[15:34:30] <Dominian> postqueue -p
[15:34:33] <Dominian> its all the same iirc
[15:34:44] <Dominian> unless you split incoming and outgoing into their own queues
[15:34:47] <Dominian> but then again i could be wrong
[15:35:03] <Rowellen> no all in 1
[15:35:56] <rob0> sounds like a backscatter spammer
[15:36:03] <Dominian> aye
[15:36:38] <f3ew> Rowellen, what do you actually need?
[15:37:49] <Rowellen> I need to learn how to view the incomming mailq and outgoing.
[15:37:55] <Rowellen> I hate spam
[15:38:34] <Dominian> postqueue -p
[15:38:48] <Rowellen> thank you I got that
[15:38:53] <sysmonk> luv spam, send it to me, my mail is f3ew@...
[15:39:14] <sysmonk> also you can bcc it to cpm@... and rob0@...
[15:39:21] <Dominian> Rowellen: Well if you got that, then why keep asking the same question over and over?
[15:39:22] <sysmonk> just to make sure i got it
[15:39:27] <f3ew> Rowellen, there is only one queue
[15:39:41] <sysmonk> f3ew: false, there are lots of queues!
[15:39:49] <sysmonk> active, deferred...
[15:39:53] <Rowellen> sorry
[15:39:57] * cpm set's .forward to sysmonk
[15:40:10] <sysmonk> cpm: doh, we'll have a loop then :(
[15:40:16] <Rowellen> did not know I asked a question twice
[15:40:23] * cpm wonders where in the frac do these apostrophes come from
[15:40:25] <Rowellen> really sorry
[15:42:42] <Rowellen> thanks again for all your help
[15:42:55] <Rowellen> great service
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[15:43:10] <f3ew> sysmonk, just one queue with multiple parts
[15:43:11] <rob0> We aim to please.
[15:43:39] <rob0> "I'm the MX for a lot of domains for which I cannot possibly get a list of valid recipients, and of course the spammers are hammering invalid addresses, and I accept+bounce those back. But I hate spam!"
[15:44:16] <rob0> "You guys should understand my dilemma and forgive me for hammering you with the spam from my paid customers."
[15:44:18] <sysmonk> rob0: lies. man 8 qmgr
[15:44:37] <sysmonk>        The qmgr(8) daemon maintains the following queues:
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[15:57:22] * checkers moves all bounces to junk folder automatically these days, and only checks if someone specifically states a problem
[15:58:57] * cpm doesn't see a lot of bounces. pays attention to all of them
[16:02:08] <checkers> rob0: I think I saw 4 lines from you sometime in the past that explained when each of smtpd_*_restrictions applied. do you still have them handy?
[16:03:13] <rob0> it was on the mailing list yesterday, wasn't it?
[16:05:07] <f3ew> checkers client, helo, sender, recipient, data, end_of_data
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[16:05:21] <f3ew> at client connect, helo/ehlo, mail, rcpt, data and .
[16:05:40] <rob0> in a nutshell, the * in smtpd_*_restrictions applies to the point in the SMTP dialogue
[16:06:24] <checkers> rob0: I don't subscribe, but I was reading gmane yesterday so it's possible, thanks for the pointer
[16:06:59] <rob0> 26.66 hours ago
[16:07:02] <checkers> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.postfix.user/182234
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[16:07:47] <rob0> The four I listed are the ones included in smtpd_delay_reject
[16:10:19] <checkers> i'm pretty leery about being too excited with these things though
[16:10:30] <checkers> I've noticed a lot of MTAs on the net are pretty random
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[16:10:57] <checkers> like exchange MTAs sending their ehlo as "blahblah.local"...
[16:11:26] <checkers> oh, and here's a more complete list for what I was after: http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html#lists
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[16:50:12] <hnsz2002> rob0: i try it send mail from other server to this, and yes... really not work :) connection refused. but i find a little interest
[16:50:38] <hnsz2002> postfix do not apply smtpd_sasl_security_option (?)
[16:51:12] <hnsz2002> if i set to noplaintext, plain text authentication is disabled. really?
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[16:51:22] <hnsz2002> but: 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
[16:52:10] <hnsz2002> there is something, which hits this option out, possibly?
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[16:52:55] <marchelly> re
[16:53:11] <marchelly> what is for openssl rand -base64 12 ?
[16:54:16] <KragenSitaker> random!
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[16:58:16] <marchelly> KragenSitaker, only for create random pass ?
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[16:59:27] <GiabboO> hi all
[16:59:30] <KragenSitaker> marchelly: sorry, no idea
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[17:00:36] <GiabboO> is there any way to teach amavisd in way to move mail identified as spam to a ".Junk" imap folder insted of moving it on the default spam-quarantine folder???
[17:02:32] <rob0> With local(8) delivery, recipient_delimiter and .forward files, it's trivial. With virtual(8) delivery it's a bit more work.
[17:03:05] <rob0> It helps to have a better grasp of the process; amavisd does not do the delivery itself.
[17:03:33] <roe> i use maildrop for such things
[17:03:38] <roe> but I hear good things about sieve
[17:03:50] <rob0> Yup, those are other possibilities.
[17:04:35] <roe> in a virtual environment I think sieve is easier
[17:04:43] <roe> because it doesn't require a homedir
[17:06:30] <GiabboO> roe, so you disabled spam check on amavis ?
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[17:08:20] <GiabboO> I just would like my postfix env to move those spam to the user junk mail
[17:08:23] <roe> GiabboO, amavis scans messages and tags them (either in the header or in the subject) with what it thinks about it, the mda (mail delivery agent) then takes the message and puts it in whatever folder you want
[17:08:35] <GiabboO> yep
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[17:08:51] <GiabboO> roe, my amavis set-up move it to a quarantine folder
[17:09:17] <GiabboO> roe, maybe you mean to disable spam check on amavis and process mail with a script on postfix main.cf
[17:09:48] <GiabboO> roe, what you say is spamassassin
[17:10:18] <rob0> No, I set it up to tag the recipient address, append +spam to the username.
[17:10:24] <roe> no, I mean unless you are using a program that allows users to access the quarantine area (and there exists more than a few) have amavis scan the message, tag it, then pass it.  Let the MDA file it
[17:10:32] <rob0> That can work with virtual(8), too.
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[17:11:21] <rob0> just add listings to your virtual_mailbox_maps for "user+spam at example dot com  path/to/spam/"
[17:11:32] <GiabboO> ok
[17:11:52] <GiabboO> so I have to teach amavis to do "D_PASS" as final_spam_destiny
[17:12:17] <rob0> If the spam/ maildir is accessible to the imapd, they can view their quarantine in the MUA.
[17:12:40] <rob0> (so you'd make it a subdirectory of the real maildir)
[17:12:47] <GiabboO> yes
[17:12:50] <GiabboO> I already made it
[17:12:55] <GiabboO> .Junk folder...
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[19:13:43] <anXu> people, if i store my domains and accounts into a mysql database, which web-interface can i use for manage accounts?
[19:14:08] <Dominian> postfixadmin
[19:14:41] <seekwill> I just make my own admin...
[19:15:02] <seekwill> Then I can do cool stuffs!
[19:15:03] <anXu> thanx, but my main question is if postfixadmin requieres a specific database structure
[19:15:42] <Dominian> that wasn't your question..
[19:15:43] <Dominian> :)
[19:15:53] <Dominian> http://wiki.slackadelic.com/doku.php/howto:mailserver
[19:16:02] <Dominian> That howto gives you a walk through of the DB structure I use with postfixadmin
[19:16:13] <Dominian> Just have to sift through it to find the postfix w/mysql integration and postfixadmin stuff
[19:16:21] <Dominian> easier than trying to explain it
[19:19:03] <anXu> ok, thank you, you're right, that wan't the question......
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[19:36:45] <GiabboO> how can I tell maildroprc to move to a certain folder the messages with a certain subject ?
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[20:29:28] <AndyGraybeal_> i'm setting up a brand new mail server, and i'm new to this myself... i'm wondering as far as virus and spam goes.. what programs should i be looking at to go along with postfix/dovecot ??
[20:29:51] <AndyGraybeal_> i see stuff about spamassasin and clamav;
[20:30:44] <AndyGraybeal_> woudl that be all that i need?  or should i do more.. i see this amavid-new popping up and other things here and there.
[20:31:15] <AndyGraybeal_> it seems that a lot of the systems are redundant?  Amavi, is a virus scanner, but so is clamav.. there would be no reason to have both right?
[20:31:45] <rob0> !amavisd
[20:31:46] <knoba> rob0: Error: "amavisd" is not a valid command.
[20:31:49] <rob0> !amavisd-new
[20:31:49] <knoba> rob0: "amavisd-new" : amavisd-new is a high-performance and reliable interface between mailer (MTA) and one or more content checkers. See http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
[20:32:26] <tessier_> mjoseph: I think my problem on Friday was smtpd_recipient_restrictions which was the last question you asked. I am just now getting back to that problem.
[20:32:36] <rob0> No, you're not right, amavisd is merely the glue between the MTA and the scanners.
[20:32:46] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[20:32:47] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[20:32:50] <rob0> !zen
[20:32:51] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[20:33:03] * cpm glues rob0  to amavis
[20:33:15] <tessier_> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unauth_destination, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_non_fqdn_sender, check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:2501
[20:33:21] <AndyGraybeal_> thank you rob0
[20:34:20] <rob0> Um, one cool thing about amavisd-new, it runs SpamAssassin internally, as perl modules. So you don't have to have yet another perl daemon running.
[20:34:46] <AndyGraybeal_> interesting
[20:35:46] <rob0> Also, with decent MTA protections (helo checks and Zen being premier), you might not need content scanning at all. I don't.
[20:36:26] * cpm content scans rob0, it's the only way to be sure.
[20:36:36] <tessier_> I think the reject_unauth_destination is a problem.  If I understand the docs correctly that means this box will not accept relay mail for anywhere else even if smtp auth is used.
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[20:37:05] <tessier_> But when I take reject_unuath_destination out and restart and telnet to port 25 I don't get the smtpd banner
[20:37:10] <tessier_> It's like it is hanging
[20:38:31] <hparker> sounds like a dns issue to me
[20:39:46] <AndyGraybeal_> rob0: very nice, thank you; it would be for a small business
[20:39:56] <Dominian> AndyGraybeal_: http://wiki.slackadelic.com
[20:40:17] <Dominian> AndyGraybeal_: there's a mail tutorial there that uses MailScanner.. be forewarned .. MailScanner is hated inthe postfix community ;)
[20:40:29] <mwalling> !mailscanner
[20:40:30] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "mailscanner" is not a valid command.
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[20:40:53] <AndyGraybeal_> Dominian: interesting :)  what is with this postgrey?  i pretty much have to have it right?
[20:41:04] <Dominian> AndyGraybeal_: Don[ thave to.. but I don't use postgrey
[20:41:10] <Dominian> I use sqlgrey
[20:41:11] <mwalling> i dont greylist
[20:41:25] <Dominian> !greylist
[20:41:26] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "greylist" is not a valid command.
[20:41:29] <Dominian> !greylisting
[20:41:30] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "greylisting" is not a valid command.
[20:41:31] <Dominian> grr
[20:41:44] <Dominian> !help learn
[20:41:44] <knoba> Dominian: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
[20:41:52] <Dominian> !learn greylist as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
[20:41:55] <Dominian> !greylist
[20:41:56] <knoba> Dominian: "greylist" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
[20:42:14] <cpm> !Dominian
[20:42:15] <knoba> cpm: "Dominian" : A sentence-completion bot.
[20:42:17] <AndyGraybeal_> Dominian: in your opinion what does sqlgrey do for you that postgrey doesn't?
[20:42:27] <Dominian> AndyGraybeal_: never used postgrey myself
[20:42:38] <Dominian> AndyGraybeal_: I just found sqlgrey.. liked the simplicity.
[20:43:07] <AndyGraybeal_> interesting, you never thought to compare the two?  or was there a comparison already made that you had read?
[20:43:16] <Dominian> nope
[20:43:19] <Dominian> just started using sqlgrey ;)
[20:43:23] <AndyGraybeal_> okay :)
[20:43:26] <rob0> I originally went with sqlgrey because of postgrey's insistence on DB4
[20:43:37] <Dominian> yeah that was one of the issues I had
[20:43:38] <AndyGraybeal_> db4 crazy
[20:43:45] <rob0> (not a factor now that most OS's I use are DB4)
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[20:49:07] <bpgoldsb> I'm setting up a new mail gateway (spamass, clamav, greylisting, etc) that will be forwarding valid mail to our main mail server.  When it delivers to my real mail server, I'd like to split it to also deliver to a backup mail server (for permanent storage, auditing, etc).  Anyone have any suggestions or ideas?
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[20:49:32] <GiabboO> how can I set up maildroprc to move to a certain folder the messages with a certain subject ?
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[20:50:09] <bpgoldsb> GiabboO: are you using maildir?
[20:50:14] <GiabboO> yes
[20:50:27] <GiabboO> bpgoldsb, I have a question
[20:50:32] <GiabboO> another one i mean :)
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[20:51:25] <GiabboO> I've actually set up maildroprc to move mail to .Junk on the user maildir if it discover "X-Spam-Status: Yes"
[20:51:30] <GiabboO> but I dont know if it's working
[20:52:05] <rob0> cpm, version 4 of Berkeley DB.
[20:52:29] <GiabboO> should I find those "SPAM" messages under /Maildir/.Junk/new ?
[20:52:46] <rob0> You have lived a sheltered life if you've never encountered DLL hell from db.h !
[20:52:55] <bpgoldsb> GiabboO: try adding this to maildroprc: logfile "/var/log/maildrop"
[20:53:04] <tessier_> hparker: Even if I remove everything except the check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:2501 (for sqlgrey) it still hangs. But if I remove that also it works.
[20:53:06] <GiabboO> thanks bp
[20:53:17] <GiabboO> do i need to restart anything after any maildroprc changes ?
[20:53:19] <bpgoldsb> Also try adding VERBOSE="5"
[20:53:33] <bpgoldsb> Nope, there's no daemon, it's parsed every time you call it
[20:53:51] <tessier_> hparker: But the greylisting component is definitely working. Stuff is getting greylisted or allowed appropriately according to the logs.
[20:54:42] <hparker> No clue then... Long greeting time is usually DNS related
[20:55:04] <hparker> (Unless you're a nut like me with "sleep" all over the config :P )
[20:55:10] <tessier_> This isn't a long greerting time. This is a never greeting.
[20:55:18] <tessier_> er...
[20:55:42] <tessier_> oops...just noticed something in the logs. Looks like my syntax is incorrect.
[20:55:49] <tessier_> May 12 11:55:09 newmailman postfix/smtpd[2690]: fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit
[20:56:07] <AndyGraybeal_> Dominian: that tutorial is interesting... thank you for the link
[20:56:29] <Dominian> AndyGraybeal_: no problem.. I wrote it. .. use it all the time when I need to remember wtf I did ;)
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[20:57:47] <AndyGraybeal_> nice
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[20:59:05] <Dominian> I neeed to make some updates to it
[20:59:14] <cpm> rob0, the old sleepcat db that oracle bought?
[20:59:24] <cpm> s/sleep/sleepy
[20:59:37] <rob0> yes
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[21:00:22] <cpm> k
[21:00:30] * cpm really liked bdb, once.
[21:00:32] <GiabboO> bpgoldsb, now I check the legs
[21:00:34] <GiabboO> lol logs
[21:00:35] <GiabboO> :D
[21:00:43] <AndyGraybeal_> rob0: that document from Jim Seymour about the postfix anti-uce ... wonderful thank you.
[21:01:19] <AndyGraybeal_> i am new to this stuff and it'll take me some time to soak up both these articles
[21:01:52] <GiabboO> bpgoldsb do I have to create a log file first ?
[21:02:18] <bpgoldsb> No, but maildrop needs permission to it
[21:02:32] <bpgoldsb> you might try /tmp/maildrop instead of /var/log
[21:02:42] <rob0> Yes, there are a few things I do differently, but Jim explains it well, and it was that document that started me down the path to Postfix Clue.
[21:02:42] <GiabboO> yes
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[21:02:57] <sm> good day all
[21:03:15] <sm> how do I use postmap to create a new hash: map file ?
[21:03:22] <mwalling> !postmap
[21:03:23] <knoba> mwalling: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')
[21:03:45] <GiabboO> i dont see any log... do maildrop log only when it start the "if" ?
[21:03:50] <AndyGraybeal_> rob0: coool, thanks for posting that zen spamhaus too
[21:03:52] <sm> what should be in the original text file ?
[21:03:57] <mwalling> !basic
[21:03:57] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:04:23] <seekwill> Do you have a link to Ralf's book?
[21:04:55] <mwalling> !book
[21:04:56] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "book" is not a valid command.
[21:05:12] <hparker> google for "the book of postfix"
[21:05:17] <mwalling> seekwill: || Bot info: workaround.org/f=postfix || <-- index of all known factoids
[21:05:20] <seekwill> I have that book. It's awesome
[21:05:25] <seekwill> THanks
[21:05:49] <seekwill> Just wondering if there was a factoid to recommend to people
[21:06:00] <sm> mwalling: thanks. I have read http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postmap.1.html and still can't figure out how to create a hash db from scratch
[21:06:11] <mwalling> !basoc
[21:06:12] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "basoc" is not a valid command.
[21:06:13] <mwalling> !basic
[21:06:14] <knoba> mwalling: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:06:24] <Dominian> !mwalling
[21:06:24] <knoba> Dominian: "mwalling" : an alternative !basic factoid reciting bot for newly joined channel users
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[21:06:34] <mwalling> !dominian
[21:06:34] <knoba> mwalling: "dominian" : A sentence-completion bot.
[21:07:08] <sm> and that
[21:07:34] <sm> well, part of the problem was a typo.. a blank file now works for me
[21:07:35] <hparker> !hparker
[21:07:36] <knoba> hparker: "hparker" : is a shining example of chivalry and champaign (but still b0rk3n)
[21:09:42] <sm> answer: key space value
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[21:19:07] <GiabboO> bpgoldsb, I dont see any maildrop log... something is wrong imho
[21:19:46] <bpgoldsb> GiabboO: Does postfix say it's delivering to maildrop?
[21:20:04] <GiabboO> mail.log ?
[21:20:27] <GiabboO>  relay=virtual, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[21:20:28] <bpgoldsb> That depends on your OS/System logger
[21:20:31] <bpgoldsb> Okay
[21:20:44] <GiabboO> I get this
[21:20:45] <bpgoldsb> You're not delivering to maildrop
[21:20:51] <bpgoldsb> Thats at least part of your problem
[21:20:59] <bpgoldsb> Postfix is delivering the message directly
[21:21:03] <mwalling> !mailbox_command
[21:21:04] <knoba> mwalling: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[21:21:04] <GiabboO> ok
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[21:21:15] <GiabboO> where to tell postfix to do it ?
[21:21:15] <mwalling> er, no, thats wrong
[21:21:16] <rob0> nono mailbox_command is for local only
[21:21:28] <bpgoldsb> mwalling: mailbox_command works
[21:21:35] <rob0> !virtual_transport
[21:21:35] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport for domains that match the $virtual_mailbox_domains parameter value. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.
[21:21:39] <bpgoldsb> Ya, that too
[21:21:40] <mwalling> bpgoldsb: 15:21 < bpgoldsb> mwalling: mailbox_command works
[21:21:43] <mwalling> er
[21:21:44] <GiabboO> i have maildrop as my mailbox_command
[21:21:53] <mwalling> !mydestination
[21:21:54] <knoba> mwalling: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[21:21:57] <rob0> 19:21 < rob0> nono mailbox_command is for local only
[21:21:58] <GiabboO> mailbox_command = /usr/bin/maildrop -d "$USER" -f "$SENDER" "$EXTENSION"
[21:22:02] <GiabboO> this is what i have
[21:22:08] * rob0 sighs
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[21:22:40] <bpgoldsb> GiabboO: you might want to read a few howtos
[21:22:49] <bpgoldsb> GiabboO: what Distro are you using?
[21:22:51] <GiabboO> debian
[21:23:00] <bpgoldsb> What imap service?
[21:23:03] <bpgoldsb> or pop
[21:23:04] <GiabboO> courier-imap
[21:23:30] <GiabboO> postfix is properly working
[21:23:44] <bpgoldsb> Well, it's not configured right for doing maildrop
[21:23:44] <GiabboO> how to set it up to go with maildrop?
[21:24:08] <GiabboO> yes :\
[21:24:28] <bpgoldsb> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Email_Virtual_Server_Maildrop_and_Spam_Assasin
[21:24:31] <bpgoldsb> Look at that page
[21:24:35] <bpgoldsb> It should help you out
[21:24:35] <GiabboO> k
[21:25:43] <GiabboO> actually I have
[21:25:44] <GiabboO> virtual_transport = virtual
[21:25:49] <bpgoldsb> Basically you need to get a maildrop setup in master.cf, and virtual_transport / mailbox command (depending on if you're local or virtual)
[21:26:21] <GiabboO> virtual..
[21:26:48] <bpgoldsb> It's not that simple.  Can you paste your main.cf in private chat?
[21:26:58] * hparker reads rob0's post on sleep and sees he's got part of his implemented wrong... thanks rob0!
[21:27:09] <GiabboO> sure I can
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[21:29:07] <GiabboO> http://rafb.net/p/wNzQFQ33.html
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[21:30:27] <GiabboO> now I set up virtual transport = maildrop
[21:30:31] <GiabboO>  relay=maildrop, delay=0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Invalid user specified. )
[21:32:14] <bpgoldsb> Well, you're delivering to maildrop now ;)
[21:32:21] <bpgoldsb> Now you just have to configure it correctly
[21:33:59] <GiabboO> hmm
[21:35:22] <GiabboO> is like im getting a user problem
[21:35:35] <GiabboO> cause master.cf call maildrop with vmail user
[21:36:16] <bpgoldsb> does vmail exist?
[21:36:20] <GiabboO> yes
[21:37:30] <GiabboO> ca~# cat /etc/passwd|grep vmail
[21:37:30] <GiabboO> vmail:x:1007:100::/home/vmail:/bin/false
[21:37:56] <GiabboO> any idea?
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[21:39:22] <rob0> oh I'm not sure, but I bet that user needs a real shell.
[21:39:46] <rob0> I've never messed with pipe(8) transports, myself.
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[21:44:00] <GiabboO> nothing...
[21:44:26] <GiabboO> could it be a permission issue ?
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[21:50:30] <bpgoldsb> Probably not permissions with that error message
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[21:53:48] <GiabboO> what can I try ?
[21:55:38] <cite> GiabboO: Is your Postfix runnign chroot()ed? If so, does the passwd in the chroot contain that user? Does vmail share UID or GID with the postfix user?
[21:55:40] <GiabboO> if I do run maildrop -d vmail < file
[21:55:41] <GiabboO> it workds
[21:55:52] <GiabboO> uh
[21:55:57] <GiabboO> cite, not at all
[21:56:15] <GiabboO> postfix:x:103:105::/var/spool/postfix:/bin/false
[21:56:24] <GiabboO> vmail:x:3000:3000::/home/vmail:/bin/true
[21:56:30] <rob0> 19:37 < GiabboO> vmail:x:1007:100::/home/vmail:/bin/false
[21:56:35] <GiabboO> i edited
[21:56:40] <GiabboO> the vmail user
[21:56:44] <GiabboO> rob0
[21:57:16] <GiabboO> cite, how to check if chrooted ?
[21:57:34] <GiabboO> i think is not
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[21:58:11] <cite> GiabboO: awk '/^[0-9a-z]/ && ($5 ~ "[-yY]") { print "y"; exit}' /etc/postfix/master.cf
[21:58:18] <cite> GiabboO: If this prints an "y", it is chrooted.
[21:58:39] <GiabboO> yes
[21:58:45] <GiabboO> its chrooted
[21:58:47] <GiabboO> what now ?
[21:59:02] <cite> GiabboO: postconf queue_directory, go there, find the etc subdiretory, check the passwd there.
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[21:59:43] <GiabboO> i dont see any passwd there
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[22:00:07] <GiabboO> should I copy it from the /etc/ ?
[22:02:07] <cite> No, forget that one. My mistake.
[22:02:17] <GiabboO> ok, np
[22:02:18] <rob0> If you don't know how to maintain a chroot, unchroot it
[22:02:21] <rob0> !debug
[22:02:22] <knoba> rob0: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[22:02:47] <GiabboO> I have all "n" in the chroot column
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[22:06:11] <GiabboO> it is a so difficult issue ?
[22:11:35] <GiabboO> i think yes
[22:11:36] <GiabboO> lol
[22:12:26] <rob0> All "n" means it's not chroot'ed.
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[22:14:59] <GiabboO> damn..
[22:16:21] <rob0> Anyway, you can't change UID/GID without chown'ing the mailboxes, and ...
[22:16:22] <rob0> 19:56 < GiabboO> vmail:x:3000:3000::/home/vmail:/bin/true
[22:16:31] <rob0> that is STILL not a real shell
[22:17:14] <GiabboO> you mean setting up same uid and gid as postfix user ?
[22:18:58] <rob0> I said nothing of the sort. You need to understand how permissions work. /topic, "know your unix basics".
[22:21:54] <GiabboO> my mailboxes are owned by user postfix
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[22:22:52] <rob0> that is SO very wrong.
[22:23:07] <GiabboO> :|
[22:23:09] <GiabboO> why ?
[22:23:16] <rob0> Did you follow some howto that told you to do that?
[22:23:17] <GiabboO> i wasnt using maildrop before
[22:23:34] <GiabboO> i am changing configuration on a working postfix installation
[22:25:25] <rob0> Several places in the Postfix documentation, it says that postfix user should NOT be used for anything else, and should NOT be in virtual_[ug]id_maps.
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[22:27:42] <GiabboO> i tried with /bin/bash
[22:27:44] <GiabboO> still not working
[22:28:01] <GiabboO> i dont understand why of "Invalid user specified"
[22:45:08] <GiabboO> maybe ill try procmail
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[22:50:33] <GiabboO> bye
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[23:17:32] <Haris> Hello people
[23:17:39] <Trengo> hai
[23:18:03] <Haris> How do I make postfix receive mail, relay a copy to the mail server and deliver its copy locally
[23:18:35] <unsolo_> Is there a way using virtual users to have the folder .spam show up as a default folder ?
[23:19:00] <rob0> "show up"?
[23:19:31] <unsolo_> well techically inbox outbox and sendt shows up in the user per default
[23:19:40] <unsolo_> i want spam to be added to the list
[23:19:57] <unsolo_> probably something simple.
[23:20:34] <rob0> No, that's what the MUA does, it's not controlled by the imapd, and Postfix is not even the imapd.
[23:21:59] <unsolo_> hmm
[23:22:12] <unsolo_> im using dovecot + mysql + postfix
[23:24:52] <seekwill> MUA = Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.
[23:25:27] <unsolo_> well when i add a user i want to get a folder there called spam by default
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[23:26:06] <seekwill> Perhaps this is the job for dovecot?
[23:26:09] <unsolo_> inside the /home/vmail/domain/user/
[23:26:22] <unsolo_> i wonder what process is creating them
[23:26:29] <unsolo_> i need to take a deeper look
[23:27:33] <rob0> Oh, maybe it's possible for the imapd to hand out some default subscriptions
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[23:28:07] <rob0> but that IS the work of the mua normally, and definitely in your case
[23:29:10] <sysmonk> that surely can be done i cyrus
[23:29:20] <sysmonk> dunno about dovecot, don't use it, but i believe it's possible there too
[23:29:53] <AndyGraybeal_> why one or the other: amavisd vs mailscanner
[23:30:25] <AndyGraybeal_> and which one should i choose if i'm new and going to be running this on a small business (less than 100 people) email thing?
[23:30:55] <unsolo_> amavisd + spamassasin ?
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[23:31:06] <AndyGraybeal_> unsolo_: yes, that's what i mean, thank you for correcting me
[23:31:08] <ribasushi> hi
[23:31:30] <jpalmer> AndyGraybeal_: if you are new,  I recommend trying both, and getting familiar with them, making your own decision based on personal experience before going production with it.
[23:31:48] <ribasushi> is there a technical (not procedural) difference between content_filter and an explicit transport setting?
[23:32:05] <jpalmer> You probably don't want to start your learning curve on a 100 user live mailserver
[23:32:14] <ribasushi> or is content_filter just provided as a convenience alias, so that the name will explicitly designate the function?
[23:32:20] <AndyGraybeal_> jpalmer, rad thank you
[23:33:00] <jpalmer> I realize that doesn't help your immediate question ;)  but I promise you.. you'll thank me for that advice down the road.
[23:33:03] <c00l2sv> hi, somebody  knows how to configure dkim-filter with postfix? I can't make postfix to sign messages with dkim-filter
[23:34:05] <AndyGraybeal_> jpalmer, no i'm grateful for hearing what you said aside from the question; in fact i feel a bit more ... humble now
[23:34:26] <hparker> c00l2sv: Best docs I know of are at the amavisd-new site
[23:36:10] <jpalmer> AndyGraybeal_: mail systems (in general) are a large undertaking, just because of the complexity of how all the packages tie in together.  typically you have (at a minimum)  your MTA (postfix in this caase) your DNS server, your pop3/imap server, your anti-spam configuration (or software) your anti-virus filtering..  the glue to tie it all together.  possibly even a database or web frontend..   that is a lot of stuff to tackle at once.  I recommend
[23:36:14] <c00l2sv> hparker: I'm running postfix on ubuntu
[23:36:31] <c00l2sv> and the repos are providing dkim-filter for domainkeys
[23:36:35] <hparker> So? It's the best docs I know of
[23:36:55] <jpalmer> get to know and understand DNS first (it's the base of all internet technologies)  learn the basic postfix and pop3/imap configurations..   add more functions and features as your comfort level rises.
[23:37:07] <c00l2sv> so the problem for me stands at editing
[23:37:10] <c00l2sv> master.cf
[23:37:30] <c00l2sv> to make postfix send all the mail to dkim-filter
[23:37:36] <c00l2sv> for signing and verifing
[23:37:53] <hparker> And I told you where to look
[23:38:10] <c00l2sv> thx hparker , i'll give a shot
[23:38:40] <ribasushi> content_filter vs transport_maps anyone?
[23:38:41] <jpalmer> hey hparker,  ltns
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[23:39:36] <hparker> heya jpalmer... I was online a lot less there for awhile, back wasn't happy with life :P How's things?
[23:39:54] <ribasushi> basically I want to tech my smtpd to feed mail to dkimproxy or just pass it through depending on the recipient
[23:40:06] <ribasushi> content_filter does not seem to be suitable for this
[23:40:17] <jpalmer> sorry to hear about your back.   I'm hanging in there,  life has definately been better..  but it's also been much worse ;)
[23:40:20] <ribasushi> so I started digging to find out what is the actual difference
[23:40:26] <ribasushi> can't find anything so far :(
[23:43:18] <c00l2sv> hparker: if I need mostly signing the outgoing mail from my server, can I solve the problem only with dkim-filter or I need the amavis-new too
[23:43:26] <c00l2sv> ?
[23:43:37] <ribasushi> c00l2sv: only signing - no need for amavis at all
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[23:43:49] <ribasushi> c00l2sv: just use dkimproxy, same concept
[23:43:50] <lied> hi
[23:43:55] <hparker> c00l2sv: No idea, never used it
[23:44:21] <c00l2sv> ribasushi: I've already set up dkim-filter
[23:44:31] <ribasushi> c00l2sv: no idea, never used it :)
[23:44:39] <c00l2sv> actually it is dkim-milter implementation in ubuntu
[23:44:53] <ribasushi> c00l2sv: if it listens on a port and sends to another port - same thing
[23:44:54] <c00l2sv> guys you're kidding :D
[23:45:59] <c00l2sv> the worst thing is that the documentation is a crap... you can find a dozen of tools to make this work for you, and not a good tutorial at all
[23:46:18] <ribasushi> c00l2sv: did you look in /usr/share/doc/whatever?
[23:46:35] <unsolo_> hmm amavisd doesnt seem to do a deacent spam check ..
[23:46:42] <lied> i want to block mails form sender where ip and domainname differs. which option should i look at? reject_non_fqdn_sender?
[23:46:43] <unsolo_> maybe that or i messed something up
[23:47:18] <ribasushi> lied: errr what? how is "domain and ip differ" ?
[23:47:29] <ribasushi> how is defined I meant
[23:49:03] <lied> ribasushi, example: lied at foobar dot org send me a mail but foobar.org is an other IP as the smtp which try to send me the mail. i want to reject mails with a fake domain.
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[23:49:24] <c00l2sv> ribasushi: i've looked, but they do not provide examples of master.cf
[23:49:36] <ribasushi> lied: this is the dumbest thing I ever heard
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[23:49:51] <AndyGraybeal_> thanks jpalmer. :)
[23:50:08] <ribasushi> lied: almost no mail comes from the same ip as the domain it belongs to
[23:50:12] <lied> ribasushi, hm why? it is so easy to fake the sender mail adress and i don't want to get this mails
[23:50:45] <ribasushi> lied: examine an email from xxx at google dot com for instance
[23:51:01] <ribasushi> lied: and tell me how it will pass the check you described above
[23:51:10] <lied> ribasushi, ic
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[23:51:29] <lied> ribasushi, any other way to solve my problem?
[23:51:39] <ribasushi> what's your problem?
[23:51:49] <lied> ribasushi, getting mails with a fake sender
[23:52:00] <lied> s/sender/senderadress/
[23:52:07] <ribasushi> what antispam measures do you currently have in place?
[23:52:16] <lied> ribasushi, amavis
[23:52:22] <unsolo_> hmm
[23:52:30] <jpalmer> lied look into sender address verification,  and possibly SPF (SPF is iffy, depending on your needs)
[23:52:37] <unsolo_> im fighting getting amavis to actually scan and tag my emails
[23:52:42] <ribasushi> amavis is just a plugin system - what do you currently have activated :)
[23:53:11] <lied> ribasushi, spamassassin and clamav
[23:53:21] <unsolo_> May 13 07:57:07 mail1 amavis[7508]: (07508-01) Passed CLEAN, <root at mail2 dot customweb.no> -> <kristian at customweb dot no>, Message-ID: <GTUBE1.1010101 at example dot net>, mail_id: CYfjA9n2PL2N, Hits: -, size: 940, queued_as: 36EBF3001E0, 204 ms
[23:53:30] <unsolo_> thats not a clean mail ;(
[23:53:33] <ribasushi> lied: do you do any greylisting and/or dnsbl?
[23:53:46] <rob0> !gtube, I'd say not
[23:53:46] <knoba> rob0: Error: "gtube," is not a valid command.
[23:53:54] <rob0> !gtube
[23:53:54] <knoba> rob0: "gtube" : Generic Test for Unsolicited Bulk Email - an eicar.com like spam signature that always should trigger spam filters. See http://spamassassin.apache.org/gtube/
[23:53:57] <lied> ribasushi, no greylisting. dnsbl is a blocklist or?
[23:54:21] <ribasushi> lied: absolutely use greylisting, as your first point of defense
[23:54:30] <ribasushi> lied: it takes care of 95% of my problematic mail
[23:54:31] <unsolo_> rob0: it should trigger even when it comes from root right ?
[23:55:00] <ribasushi> then 50% of what's left is covered by zen.spamhaus.org
[23:55:15] <ribasushi> lied: whatever is left is really nothing to speak of (one per 3 days)
[23:55:15] <jpalmer> currently,  greylisting is my single most effective antispam measure.  but I see more and more spammers getting past it.  I'm guessing the effectiveness is fading, and will eventually be pointless
[23:55:16] <lied> ribasushi, hehe. ok actually i don't get much spam. only some verry funny friends sending me mails with fake adress....
[23:55:43] <ribasushi> jpalmer: I'd give it another year
[23:55:52] <lied> ribasushi, :)
[23:56:21] <jpalmer> ribasushi: I'm not going to attempt a timeline ;)  I've been hearing "another year" for about 3-4 years now ;)   I do see it's effectiveness being lower now though.
[23:56:30] <lied> ribasushi, i want my mails immediately so greylisting is not the best solution for me
[23:56:41] <unsolo_> im trying to follow the http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-10-amavis-filtering-spam-and-viruses
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[23:56:46] <unsolo_> but it seems to not work
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[23:57:02] <ribasushi> lied: immediately is a relative term
[23:57:16] <rob0> I think greylisting is not as effective as it once was. I suppose it depends which spam lists you're on.
[23:57:22] <lied> ribasushi, ok, i don't want to wait 15minutes :D
[23:57:37] <ribasushi> lied: most grelylisting implementations out there are adaptive - i.e. they keep a cache of who passed greylisting and give them a green light next time they come
[23:57:48] <lied> unsolo_, i followed the same howto without problems
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[23:58:18] <lied> ribasushi, i know
[23:58:30] <ribasushi> lied: so you wait 15 minutes the first 1 - 2 times - nothing to complain about
[23:58:50] <unsolo_> lied: hmm well for some reason amavis isnt scanning things properly
[23:58:52] <jpalmer> 6between greylisting, spamtrapping,  and helo abuse checks, and dspam  (in addition to my normal postfix checks)  I've got a pretty solid antispam solution currently.
[23:59:07] <unsolo_> it should flip out on the gtube
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[23:59:13] <lied> unsolo_, have a look at mail.log
[23:59:18] <Lars_G> What is the easiest way to check the headers of a queued message? (by id)
[23:59:24] <unsolo_> i just gave you a printout from it
[23:59:34] <unsolo_> 23:47 < unsolo_> May 13 07:57:07 mail1 amavis[7508]: (07508-01) Passed CLEAN, <root at mail2 dot customweb.no> -> <kristian at customweb dot no>, Message-ID: <GTUBE1.1010101 at example dot net>, mail_id: CYfjA9 36EBF3001E0, 204 ms
[23:59:37] <lied> unsolo_, nopaste please
[23:59:43] <unsolo_> ok





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