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[00:09:23] <Trengo> do you guys know of a maia mailguard type of system thats not maia?
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[00:30:51] <ricosecada> I have a problem with one of my servers. When a PHP script is used to send mail, mails for hotmail never arrive. There is no problems with other web mails like gmail, and there is no error in the mail log. I am using Postfix. What could cause this problem?
[00:31:47] <jonez> ricosecada: I'm not convinced that is a postfix issue at all.
[00:32:00] <jonez> if it was, then emails sent to gmail would fail to be delivered too
[00:32:09] <jonez> are you using smtp from php, or the "mail" function?
[00:32:20] <ricosecada> smtp
[00:32:41] <hparker> the problem is.... hotmail
[00:32:50] <jonez> did you check the spam folder at hotmail to see if the message was moved there? does the postfix log indicate that the remote host accepted the message?
[00:33:04] * jonez agrees with hparker
[00:33:09] * sipa too
[00:33:22] <jonez> so that's 3 votes that it's a hotmail problem.
[00:33:34] <hparker> hotmail is a pita, drops mail for whatever reason it wants to
[00:33:46] <hparker> postmaster.msn.com may help
[00:34:10] <hparker> drop == accept and /dev/null
[00:34:58] <sipa> you mean c:\null
[00:35:28] <hparker> I guess, are they using some M$ mailer these days?
[00:35:36] <jonez> msft owns hotmail
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[00:35:51] <hparker> that i know, but it ran qmail on fbsd for years
[00:36:12] <hparker> they couldn't handle the load on a M$ OS
[00:36:16] <hparker> Or MTA
[00:36:17] <ricosecada> I have this in the log from postfix: relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.54, delays=0.08/0.01/0.01/0.44, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=22792-01, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 5BB7E224843F)
[00:36:18] <jonez> iirc msft tried to switch hotmail to using their "server" product, that failed miserably, so they went back to bsd
[00:36:37] <ricosecada> and then one second later: relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.244.72]:25, delay=1.2, delays=0.06/0.01/0.54/0.58, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250  <dddc28a875fe4ee059e6031bb853d871 at bamilo dot dk> Queued mail for delivery)
[00:36:44] <hparker> ricosecada: they accepted and sent to Mr. Dave Null
[00:38:23] <jonez> hparker: or put his message into the spam folder
[00:39:16] <hparker> ricosecada: The only advice there is is postmaster.msn.com ... Sorry
[00:39:41] <hparker> Or buy out MSFT :P
[00:39:44] <ricosecada> nothing in junk
[00:39:46] <hparker> Please do
[00:39:47] <ricosecada> yes thanks!
[00:39:58] <hparker> It'd help everyone!
[00:40:06] <rob0> Anyone who needs reliable email should avoid hotmail.
[00:40:37] <hparker> true dat
[00:40:40] <rob0> No other major provider is so stupid and reckless as them.
[00:41:06] <hparker> yahoo comes a close second at times, others it's a distant second
[00:41:23] <rob0> (And from what I hear, I have a kid with a hotmail account, they're not at all good at keeping real spam out of the inbox.)
[00:41:43] <hparker> hehe... Imagine that
[00:42:21] <rob0> Yahoo pisses me off with their throttling, saying it was spawned by "complaints", but I never do anything and it always seems to get delivered.
[00:42:38] <sipa> what is their throttling?
[00:42:54] <hparker> a pita
[00:43:05] <sipa> a royal pita?
[00:43:14] <rob0> they reject you with a 4xx and a Web link in place of the smtpd banner.
[00:43:32] <rob0> and the Web page says that their users complained about spam from you
[00:43:35] <hparker> Right now, i'm getting defers from postini for no reason, but they make it through eventually... And i'm a small hoster
[00:43:42] <rob0> which I happen to know is BS
[00:45:05] <rob0> I host a Mailman list, participatory, that everyone on it confirmed their subscriptions. Exactly 8 yahoos. And I get those "complaint" deferrals.
[00:46:00] <Trengo> i think they do that for your /24
[00:46:22] <Trengo> i get that a lot out of nowhere
[00:46:26] <hparker> Nice, i have a /29, no clue who my neighbors are....
[00:46:29] <rob0> I wouldn't know, I don't control the whole /24
[00:47:32] <rob0> Here's my opinion: if I'm managing my server correctly, it should be up to the broken ones to fix what they break. Not me.
[00:47:45] <hparker> yup
[00:47:58] <rob0> And if I fix or work around the breakage, I'm an enabler.
[00:48:09] <Trengo> dnsbls do that too
[00:48:17] <rob0> heh
[00:48:18] <Trengo> list the whole /24
[00:48:19] <hparker> collateral damage is only (kinda) valid with ISPs with pink contracts and back alley deals
[00:48:46] <Trengo> well i understand the reasoning for dynamic ranges
[00:49:06] <hparker> If an ISP is known to allow spammers to hang around, I am not opposed to collateral damage
[00:49:14] <Trengo> and mailserver admins cant trust anyone :)
[00:49:31] <rob0> Really, collateral damage is the ONLY way to make progress against spammers.
[00:49:39] <Trengo> not spammers, trojan infected machines
[00:49:57] <hparker> My network, my rules.. same applies to hotmail, their rules.. just let everyone know the rules so they can play if they want to
[00:50:01] <Trengo> i do believe ISPs should block port 25 out for dynamic ranges
[00:50:12] <rob0> I wish Spamhaus would get more aggressive against the knowing spam supporters.
[00:50:17] <jonez> spammers use compromised microsoft-based platforms to relay their junk
[00:50:39] <Trengo> armies of zombies
[00:50:52] <hparker> These days, that's the most popular route.. but there are still ISPs that prefer money over anything
[00:50:53] <rob0> Since zen went live, those zombies are not nearly as effective.
[00:50:59] <hparker> yup
[00:51:51] <jonez> zen?
[00:51:59] <rob0> !zen
[00:51:59] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[00:52:08] <jonez> ah
[00:52:09] <jonez> cool
[00:52:14] <hparker> the zen of it all
[00:52:17] <Trengo> there are still many dynamic nets not in zen
[00:52:22] <rob0> PBL was the new addition
[00:52:27] <hparker> yeah..
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[00:57:37] <hparker> i guess he didn't lie our answers
[00:57:41] <hparker> s/lie/like
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[01:18:41] <Trengo> i never had any prbs, dunno why
[01:19:00] <Trengo> there was one case of emails sent to hotmail that vanished mysteriously
[01:19:09] <Trengo> subject was blank
[01:19:12] <Trengo> that was all
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[01:45:11] <seekwill> I wonder how well 256MB of RAM will be for a postfix+spamassassin+clamav+imap4 install...
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[01:58:46] <jonez> seekwill: I do not think that is quite enough.. at the least it will be very tight
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[01:59:01] <jonez> considering that you have to fit the OS into that 256megabytes
[02:01:06] <Trengo> is that a VPS?
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[02:04:05] <seekwill> No, VM
[02:04:43] <seekwill> But my host only has 2GB and Xen is stupid since it allocates all RAM regardless if it;s using it.
[02:04:48] <seekwill> What's the most memory intensive?
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[02:06:48] <Trengo> SA
[02:07:01] <Trengo> sucks it up
[02:07:04] <seekwill> ah
[02:07:29] <Trengo> if its a test install, its ok
[02:07:30] <seekwill> This is going to be a very very low volumne set up though. Just using it to test. I figure if I'm going to hang out here in #postfix, I should have it running
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[02:08:51] <Trengo> what you running for imap?
[02:12:02] <seekwill> dovecot
[02:12:22] <Zelest> dovecot < *
[02:12:26] <Zelest> err
[02:12:28] <Zelest> > * ;)
[02:14:19] <seekwill> whew!
[02:14:24] <seekwill> I use what CentOS comes with :)
[02:14:43] * seekwill = CentOS whore
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[02:36:56] <Trengo> i prefer fedora
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[02:59:20] <seekwill> I'd use Fedora for a desktop (if I wasn't on OSX)
[03:04:25] <Trengo> nah
[03:04:42] <Trengo> its fine for my handful of servers
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[03:10:21] <seekwill> It wants to update too frequently. Plus, I can't get it installed as a VM under CentOS ! Grrrr
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[03:11:13] <Trengo> im on vmware
[03:11:24] <Trengo> xen didnt impress me much
[03:11:33] <Trengo> updates are fine
[03:12:26] <seekwill> VMware was nice. But had issues with keeping time. Xen has it's issues too, but it keeps time much better
[03:12:47] <Trengo> time?
[03:12:55] <Trengo> hmm i never noticed
[03:12:56] <seekwill> System time
[03:13:09] <Trengo> then again, i usually put ntp on
[03:13:12] <seekwill> I'd keep it open for days and it slowly lags. If I peg the CPU, time goes way down
[03:13:47] <seekwill> ntp is just the time server right? You still use rtime to sync it?
[03:14:01] <seekwill> Or is ntp a client (as well)?
[03:14:57] <Trengo> i have a local ntp server
[03:15:06] <Trengo> and all my machines sync against it
[03:15:21] <rob0> ntpd is client and server both
[03:15:25] <Trengo> just install the package, edit the conf, chkconfig it on
[03:17:13] <seekwill> Hmm.. I wonder how often it updates. I was running rtime every hour and that still lags behind
[03:17:49] <rob0> it's continuous, I highly recommend ntpd
[03:18:09] <rob0> low bandwidth, you'll never notice it
[03:20:11] <seekwill> I think I just prefer to use a VM that "works". If I can get a Xen VM up, I don't seem to have any problems with it. Getting it up is another story...
[03:20:41] <Trengo> indeed
[03:20:46] <Trengo> and staying up too
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[03:31:16] <higuita> seekwill: there is no VM that can really keep the time correct...
[03:31:38] <higuita> all they can do is hide the ntp in their client to fake it...
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[03:33:19] <seekwill> higuita:  Even with paravirtualization?
[03:33:20] <higuita> the problem is that the virtual machine dont really know how much time as gone since last interrupt/tick, in the real machine that is constant, but in a VM , the host might had to do something else to itself or other machines
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[03:33:32] <seekwill> I didn't have to install a client on VMware Linux or Xen
[03:34:06] <seekwill> Or maybe that's why my VMware VM sucked... :)
[03:34:07] <synx> My email is getting refused by certain select smtp servers...
[03:34:18] <seekwill> Like Yahoo?
[03:34:21] <rob0> I would think they could keep time with the host system clock, anyway
[03:34:23] <synx> ...who refuse to accept mail from me because I'm not a big corporate email company...
[03:34:37] <rob0> !fcrdns
[03:34:37] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[03:35:06] <synx> So whether my email needs to pass through my ISP's relay or not depends on whether the destination address is going to be a fuddy duddy. What should I do?
[03:35:33] <higuita> seekwill: yes, even with paravirtualization... the ticks arent constant just because you want it, at most, you can keep time correct in the same number of CPUs (one VM per CPU), more than that, you may risk that the tick that should have gone to the VM was to another thing and so delay it a little
[03:35:34] <rob0> If you're on a dynamic IP, relayhost all of it.
[03:35:42] <synx> knoba: Yeah, I can't get that either. Try convincing comcast that small tiny email servers deserve reverse DNS, I dare you.
[03:35:55] <higuita> ntp is really the solution
[03:36:16] <synx> rob0: I don't want to relayhost all of it, since many servers are perfectly nice and will accept my emails directly.
[03:36:19] <synx> most even.
[03:36:22] <synx> Not comcast though.
[03:36:33] <mwalling> higuita: i dont run ntp inside xen
[03:36:50] <mwalling> afaik, xen exposes the host clock
[03:37:11] <higuita> seekwill: yes, you need vmware client installed, xen need it less, but vmware sucks alot without its client
[03:37:16] <rob0> I set up a business site on Comcast, and it indeed has FCrDNS.
[03:37:31] <synx> How much did you pay extra for that?
[03:38:14] <rob0> I didn't handle that part of it, but I told the fellow who did what we needed, and he got it.
[03:38:24] <rob0> it IS a business account of course
[03:38:25] <higuita> seekwill: there isnt such thing, the VM have its own clock... in a real hardware, you have the bios time (the host time in VM) and the OS reads it when booting and then calculates its own time progression
[03:38:36] <synx> I don't even have a job at this point. I just want to send emails directly, except to the stupid corporate-clique servers.
[03:38:52] <higuita> the bios time is ignored, as is less correct (in real hardware), so im VM the OS still works the same way
[03:39:01] <synx> rob0: So pretty much $50 extra a month, if I remember the deal right. Though it might be up to $200 a month now...
[03:39:15] <synx> They keep raising their rates without improving the service, heh.
[03:39:38] <rob0> FCrDNS is pretty much an absolute requirement for mail. Not just the big sites, mine would block you too.
[03:39:45] <synx> Why?
[03:39:50] <higuita> only if the VM client changes that (or a kernel option maybe, in the linux case)... go to a windows VM and you are screw
[03:40:04] <synx> I could understand requiring From addresses not to be forged, but nobody does that.
[03:40:16] <rob0> Because 99%+ of what you get from dynamic IP space is zombie spew.
[03:40:57] <synx> Believe me I know. A good bayesian filter helps with that.
[03:41:09] <synx> I'm not on a RBL either.
[03:42:22] <synx> 100% of spam comes from computers on the Internet, but I don't see any mail servers banning the Internet because it stops the spam. You should block techniques, not statistics.
[03:42:42] <rob0> Yeah, I used to believe that too, but when I began to manage real mail sites, I learned quickly.
[03:43:01] <rob0> relayhost is your only answer.
[03:43:34] <synx> ?Anyway, this channel is helpful as ever. What I am going to do is make an smtp server of my own, and use that to relay based on whether the host believes corporate loyalty will save them from spam, or not.
[03:43:51] <synx> Like a filter, except on the other end of postfix entirely.
[03:44:37] <seekwill> If you don't have a job, why not use Gmail or Yahoo?
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[03:45:09] <seekwill> higuita: Thanks for the info. I'll check that out. I'm not seeing any problems with Xen's clock though.
[03:45:31] <synx> I make a new email alias for every place I sign up with, in order to tell where the spam is coming from. Difficult to do with Gmail, easy as editing a text file with postfix.
[03:45:41] <higuita> seekwill: ntp is just a software to help the OS to calculate and tune its time progression, but with a little of luck, you never need it in a real hardware... but on a VM, even more with the host underload, you need something to help fixing the "variable" delay of each time tick
[03:45:52] <synx> Plus my computer does internal emailing for alerts and monitoring and such.
[03:46:01] <synx> No reason to send that through Gmail
[03:46:10] <mwalling> seekwill: like i said, i run inside a xen vps, and have no need to run ntp... on uml and vmware i do
[03:46:11] <higuita> seekwill: time is right, even on nom-linux VMs?
[03:46:20] <synx> I use webmail if I don't have a computer at all, if that helps.
[03:46:28] <seekwill> mwalling: Yeah I know...
[03:46:38] <seekwill> higuita: I don't use non-Linux VM's :)
[03:46:50] <seekwill> higuita: I can't figure out how to run non-Linux in Xen :)
[03:47:05] <higuita> mwalling: and how about you? are all your VMs also linux?
[03:47:08] <seekwill> synx: Uh... maybe you should worry more about getting a job than sending out email?
[03:47:28] <synx> seekwill: Know anyone who's hiring? :/
[03:47:37] <seekwill> synx: www.dice.com :)
[03:47:39] <mwalling> higuita: xen and uml are linux/linux, vmwares are windows/windows or windows/linux
[03:48:44] <synx> seekwill: No Bachelors degree, sorry. This really isn't the channel to discuss jobs though, so...
[03:48:44] <mwalling> windows/windows is fine, windows/linux in vmware needs ntpd
[03:49:05] <higuita> as xen is inside the linux kernel, i suspect that when a kernel detects the XEN, switch to another time control policy: use the "bios" (host time) instad of trying to keep its own
[03:49:10] <seekwill> synx: Lots of people are hiring. Depends where you are located and what you can do. If you were in SoCal, I know of a place. Not sure if this is the place to talk about VM clocks, but we are :)
[03:49:25] <synx> Well, okay. :)
[03:49:30] <seekwill> synx: You can still apply if you don't have a degree. I don't.
[03:49:42] <synx> I'll just send out an email application then...DOH!
[03:49:50] <higuita> mwalling: vmware client have a internal time sincronizer in windows, so maybe that is why you dont see it  :)
[03:50:03] <mwalling> higuita: yeah, vmware-tools
[03:50:05] <seekwill> synx: Most applications are done via web sites anyways... monster, dice, etc.
[03:50:11] <mwalling> i cant get them to install in linux
[03:50:28] <seekwill> synx: Gmail!
[03:50:42] <synx> :p I can get this working though
[03:50:43] <mwalling> synx: deoending on the size of the company, some will look at experience instead of pieces of paper
[03:50:52] <rob0> Why not? I've installed vmware-tools in Linux before.
[03:51:02] <rob0> I think
[03:51:05] <seekwill> rob0: Lately?
[03:51:11] <rob0> no, was about 2004
[03:51:18] <seekwill> Before they used to have one. I didn't see one in the newer versions
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[03:51:27] <synx> mwalling: I worked an amazing 5 months just this past 5 months, a record long employment period!
[03:51:55] <higuita> mwalling: yep, that is the a problem, installing the vmware-tools in linux... but maybe with xen patchs in the kernel, they can reuse more thing and be less dificult to use it
[03:52:00] * synx isn't the most successful of workers...
[03:52:15] <seekwill> synx: Start your own biz
[03:52:21] <seekwill> Be an email provider, hehe
[03:52:30] <higuita> rob0: i have many linux with vmware tools, but the more recent is the kernel, the harder is to install it
[03:52:56] <synx> what and pay for business insurance? xp not to mention comcast's $200 a month. I couldn't afford it!
[03:53:05] <higuita> you need patchs, after patchs and on some machines, i gave up, they are little important
[03:53:31] * synx is considering self employment though, just hasn't worked out how to get in > out yet.
[03:53:50] <mwalling> rob0: its prolly pebcak
[03:54:17] <mwalling> rob0: but the slack12 image at work wont compile the kernel modules
[03:54:28] <rob0> hmm
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[04:05:42] <seekwill> synx: Consulting will solve that in > out
[04:05:55] <seekwill> Unless the cost of gas > hourly rate
[04:06:45] <synx> I don't drive.
[04:06:50] <synx> But yeah, consulting might work.
[04:07:03] <mwalling> get a vps or something... i pay $30/mo for mine
[04:07:23] <synx> could find better things to do with $30...
[04:07:43] <seekwill> ... porn ...
[04:07:54] <mwalling> yeah, but 30 != 200
[04:07:55] <seekwill> I pay $50 for mine :(
[04:08:06] <seekwill> mwalling: What do you get with yours?
[04:08:17] <seekwill> RAM and IPs are my concern
[04:08:18] <rob0> Job offers!
[04:08:21] <mwalling> 540MB ram, 15 gigs disk and 300 gigs xfer
[04:08:22] <synx> 30 != 200 it's true
[04:08:27] <mwalling> yeah, and job offers
[04:08:29] <synx> $130 is getting close though.
[04:08:40] <mwalling> synx: plus the cost of electric, and hardware upkeep, etc
[04:08:54] <seekwill> mwalling: URL?
[04:08:58] <synx> yep.
[04:08:59] <mwalling> seekwill: linode.com
[04:09:00] <synx> Though...
[04:09:09] <synx> Could running a VPS be lucrative?
[04:09:10] <mwalling> if you get a vps, you're in a datacenter, who has redundant power, data links, etc
[04:09:16] <mwalling> synx: look at Internat
[04:09:21] <mwalling> Internat: ping
[04:09:36] <synx> Maybe a little one, just with a few gigabits of customers
[04:10:05] <mwalling> there is a plan for 20 thats 360MB ram, 10gigs space, and 200gb xfer
[04:10:53] <synx> Sweet stuff that. Wonder how they make it so cheap.
[04:11:27] <mwalling> volumn
[04:11:30] <mwalling> er volume
[04:11:36] <pickcoder> synx: memory and bandwidth isn't as expensive as it used to be
[04:12:03] <synx> Sure it is. Why else would Comcast be charging $100 a month for freaking asymmetricized cable internet?
[04:12:18] <mwalling> capitalism!
[04:12:19] <pickcoder> because people are stupid enough to pay for it?
[04:12:24] <mwalling> the prices are unfair!
[04:12:33] <mwalling> the government should control the pricing!
[04:12:34] <synx> more like they haven't got a choice
[04:12:41] <synx> welcome to Comcastia, may I take your order
[04:12:58] <pickcoder> you mean there are no wireless providers at all in the area?
[04:13:17] <synx> Sure I'd love to lose connection every 2 minutes on cloudy days.
[04:13:53] <seekwill> mwalling: $1/month for an IP. Nice. Thanks for the tip. I'm happy with mine so far, but it's good to know of a backuo
[04:13:54] <pickcoder> I'm talking about 2.4 and 5Ghz business connections
[04:14:36] <synx> Oh sure, for like $200 a month.
[04:14:44] <synx> They don't leave any ways out of this situation.
[04:14:52] <seekwill> Where do you live?
[04:15:20] <synx> Anywhere in the continental USA :p
[04:15:32] <pickcoder> geez I get 1200/Mbps speed for $250
[04:15:49] <seekwill> synx: No wonder why you don't have a job ;)
[04:16:10] <synx> Seriously though I am checking wireless providers at the moment. If I can find a $50-70 plan that's equivalent to Comcast maybe I can get this stupid cable chopped off.
[04:17:02] <pickcoder> the problem seems to be finding a local provider that has fiber access for a decent price
[04:17:13] <seekwill> fios
[04:17:26] <seekwill> business fios... ooooh
[04:17:32] <seekwill> I would rule the world with that
[04:17:47] <pickcoder> our provider has been fighting and begging for fiber access for their 3-county mesh
[04:18:05] <pickcoder> they finally got an OK from AT&T to hook into an OC3
[04:18:09] <seekwill> I have Fios available in my area, but the apartment doesn't have it into the buildings yet
[04:18:23] <pickcoder> I'm talking about provider bandwidth
[04:18:40] <seekwill> You must live out in the boonies
[04:18:40] <pickcoder> you either get low rates and low speeds or high rates and high speeds
[04:19:06] <pickcoder> nope.. actually our little town is the first DTV trial zone
[04:19:19] <pickcoder> September 08 is the cut-off
[04:19:32] <pickcoder> no clue why
[04:20:22] <synx> Oh wow, I can find a wireless provider with a whole 768kbps bandwidth :o :o :o
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[04:25:14] <pickcoder> hrm.. I mean to type 1200/Kbps earlier
[04:25:28] <pickcoder> I need a vacation
[04:29:54] <synx> crap... and of course the person who actually bought the cable service signed up for a 2 year plan
[04:30:05] <synx> so I'm stuck
[04:32:34] <seekwill> Sure it's a contract? I thought Comcast advertised they don't have contracts lile directv
[04:32:45] <synx> Nope!
[04:32:52] <synx> Not sure at all. c_c;
[04:48:03] <Internat> mwalling: pong
[04:48:43] <mwalling> Internat: 22:09 < synx> Could running a VPS be lucrative?
[04:48:57] <Internat> asin a vps provider?
[04:49:11] <Internat> you would have strong competion already :P
[04:49:18] <mwalling> oh wait, on reread thats what it sounds like
[04:49:24] <mwalling> i thought he meant hosting on a vps
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[04:49:53] <synx> Internat: sure, but they're making good money right?
[04:50:00] <synx> maybe I could work with them...
[04:50:08] <Internat> i doubt it
[04:50:45] <Internat> slicehost had an edge by having xen first, but since linode have a stronger userbase and are in the middle of migrating to xen..
[04:51:29] <synx> not making good money then? :/
[04:51:40] <Internat> no they make good moneyl. i doubt they are going to share
[04:52:34] <seekwill> What about other providers?
[04:52:59] <seekwill> Or are other providers just resellers of those two?
[04:53:15] <Internat> i dont know about any other providers
[04:54:30] <synx> seems stupid that they get all the money even if other people are perfectly capable of doing the same thing
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[04:55:32] <mwalling> OH KNOWS! CAPITALISM IS WORKING!
[04:55:33] <Internat> let me put it this way, they have a fantastic setup, there support is 2nd to none, new features and free upgrades always come arround each year. they have a large customer base and their friendly..
[04:55:48] <mwalling> the governmetn must provide equal distruibution of welth!
[04:55:49] <Internat> no ones saying you cant do it, but you would be playing a huge catch up game
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[04:56:16] <Internat> they know xen and uml fantasticly and have strong links with the developers..
[04:57:55] <Internat> hell i know tones of people that run web hosting companies.. even though there are huge ones out their, its all about the market and what you can provide that they cant
[04:58:08] <seekwill> synx: With direct marketing, personal service, you might be able to make enough money.
[04:58:24] <synx> Maybe.
[04:58:36] <synx> Anyway, it's another idea.
[04:59:12] <seekwill> I think sticking to consulting first as it has the least start up cost
[04:59:57] <synx> you're probably right.
[05:00:06] <seekwill> Of course I'm right ;)
[05:00:17] <seekwill> ir alwez write
[05:01:27] <Internat> yeah i have a full time job, i just do my stuff on the side
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[05:04:35] <synx> start losing myself with a full time job... better to stay part time and work on the important things
[05:07:04] <Internat> yeah ive only had htis job for a year, i must say i miss the 3 months of holidays that uni used to provide
[05:08:04] <seekwill> Well, get a job where you do important things then
[05:08:42] <synx> working on it
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[05:08:56] <synx> never seen a job like that before though
[05:09:23] <seekwill> What's "important" then?
[05:11:24] <synx> decreasing entropy
[05:16:07] <seekwill> Any other hobbies?
[05:23:52] <synx> Sure, I'm great at making up stories.
[05:24:56] <synx> Hm... taking care of cats. Pretty good at cooking, a little gardening.
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[05:25:44] <seekwill> I say be a professional blogger
[05:26:12] <synx> awesome I already have a blog
[05:26:15] <synx> I'm halfway there
[05:26:24] <synx> Now I just have to get people to pay me for it
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[05:26:31] <seekwill> Cool. I'm serious too. Perez Hilton makes $100k/year
[05:27:09] <synx> I don't have a little yap dog though
[05:28:38] <seekwill> Perez Hilton is a celebrity blogger. Not Paris Hilton
[05:30:35] <synx> Ooh gotcha.
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[06:39:49] <synx> http://synx.us.to/feepcode/stupidRelay/filter.tac
[06:40:43] <synx> And with that thing running I'm set. Eesh.
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[07:45:23] <Haris> Ok, so now I have to set store locally and forward on postfix
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[08:08:15] <Haris> I have read http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html
[08:08:25] <Haris> Its either not there or illuding me
[08:10:00] <Haris> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup
[08:10:06] <Haris> I think this is it
[08:13:10] <Haris> on starting postfix, I get the following message;
[08:13:11] <Haris> postsuper: Renamed to match inode number: 14 messages
[08:13:11] <Haris> postsuper: warning: QUEUE FILE NAMES WERE CHANGED TO MATCH INODE NUMBERS
[08:13:11] <Haris> postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system
[08:13:23] <Haris> what does this mean?
[08:18:21] <mjoseph> someone copied a queue from one system to another
[08:18:28] <mjoseph> or changed the underlying FS
[08:18:31] <mjoseph> or something along those lines
[08:19:01] <Haris> yes, IU did that
[08:19:12] <Haris> I'm migrating postfix between boxes
[08:19:36] <Haris> I scp'd the complete /var/spool/postfix and /usr/local/etc/postfix tree
[08:19:39] <Haris> trees+
[08:19:52] <mjoseph> that's what that message was about
[08:20:07] <mjoseph> postfix names its queue files according the inode they occupy in the underlying filesystem
[08:20:09] <mjoseph> if that changes
[08:20:16] <mjoseph> it has to rename them (so that you can't have conflicts)
[08:20:56] <synx> eww
[08:21:04] <mjoseph> hrm?
[08:21:29] <synx> why not just use the inode, and give it a different name?
[08:21:39] <mjoseph> umm
[08:21:42] <mjoseph> i'm not sure i follow
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[08:22:22] <synx> never mind, it doesn't help his problem.
[08:26:28] <mjoseph> so
[08:26:37] <mjoseph> er, nm
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[08:31:11] <Haris> ok, so what do I change so I can make the primary the backup, store incomming locally and also forward a copy ot primary ? I was reading http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup but it seems alot of trouble :p
[08:31:37] <mjoseph> umm
[08:31:44] <mjoseph> could you please elaborate one what you want to do?
[08:32:51] <Haris> I'm migrating postfix off of the primary right now and copying it over to the new primary. The current primary will become backup untill it receives emails
[08:33:04] <Haris> I want it to automatically forward all emails it receives to the new primaryu
[08:33:39] <mjoseph> umm
[08:33:42] <mjoseph> okay, that's pretty typical
[08:33:45] <mjoseph> it's called backup mx
[08:33:54] <mjoseph> and the doc you point out is the normal way to set it up
[08:34:04] <mjoseph> btw
[08:34:15] <mjoseph> your "backup" will begin receiving emails almost immediately
[08:34:26] <mjoseph> spammers will prefer backup mx's over primary ones
[08:34:26] <Haris> what keywords in this case I need to modify to have it deliver a copy of the mail locally, but also send a copy to the new primary mx
[08:34:41] <mjoseph> where do you want the local copy to go?
[08:34:48] <Haris> well it goes to disk
[08:35:10] <mjoseph> what i mean is where on disk?
[08:35:24] <Haris> to /var/spool/postfix/virtual/path/to/mailbox?
[08:35:45] <Haris> its a postfix+mysql setup
[08:35:50] <mjoseph> ugh
[08:36:09] <Haris> well, it'll be better if I just have it forward it to the new primary
[08:36:13] <Haris> for local storage
[08:36:22] <mjoseph> you can do it
[08:36:24] <mjoseph> if you really want to
[08:36:54] <Haris> ofcorse, I want ot
[08:38:05] <Haris> damn, my keyboard keys are getting stuck on me
[08:38:09] <Haris> ofcourse+ I want to+
[08:38:10] <mjoseph> so, there are a few creative ways to do this
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[08:38:29] <mjoseph> but i'd probably use something like recipient_bcc_maps to automatically map each user to a local and remote form
[08:39:04] <mjoseph> so for instance, you might do: foo at yourdomain dot com -> foo at mx1 dot yourdomain.com, foo at mx1 dot yourdomain.com
[08:39:04] <Haris> this is a server side hack for it?
[08:39:14] <mjoseph> err
[08:39:17] <mjoseph> so for instance, you might do: foo at yourdomain dot com -> foo at mx1 dot yourdomain.com, foo at mx2 dot yourdomain.com
[08:39:20] <mjoseph> yeah, that
[08:39:59] <mjoseph> actually
[08:40:10] <mjoseph> sorry, you'd not need the mx1 instance
[08:40:13] <mjoseph> since it's a bcc
[08:40:19] <mjoseph> and it is coming from a relay domain
[08:40:34] <mjoseph> so you'd do the mapping as: foo at yourdomain dot com -> foo@THISMACHINE
[08:40:49] <Haris> hmm
[08:41:00] <mjoseph> alternately, you could do the mapping i previously mentioned (both mx's) in a virtual_alias_maps table, and then treat yourdomain.com as virtual
[08:41:11] <mjoseph> in any case, yourdomain.com shouldn't be local (mydestination)
[08:41:15] <mjoseph> but
[08:41:22] <mjoseph> since you use mysql to configure your mailserver
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[08:41:31] <mjoseph> i don't know how these options would impact you
[08:41:32] <mjoseph> :)
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[08:42:12] <mjoseph> do you understand what i just described?
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[08:59:01] <Blook> Can I specify multiple mailboxes/unix system accounts for a single email, so that sending to that email results in it being sent to multiple users?
[08:59:40] <mjoseph> !alias
[08:59:41] <knoba> mjoseph: Error: "alias" is not a valid command.
[08:59:44] * mjoseph sighs
[08:59:45] <mjoseph> yesh
[08:59:47] <mjoseph> err, yes
[08:59:49] <Internat> !aliases
[08:59:50] <knoba> Internat: Error: "aliases" is not a valid command.
[08:59:54] <mjoseph> !local_recipient_maps
[08:59:54] <knoba> mjoseph: "local_recipient_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with all names or addresses of local recipients. A recipient address is local when its domain matches $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces.
[09:00:07] <mjoseph> usually use /etc/aliases to list them
[09:00:18] <mjoseph> man 5 aliases
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[09:32:15] <Haris> yes
[09:32:27] <Haris> all domains are virtual
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[09:43:18] <Haris> on the backups, I should configure relay_domains = $mydestination, all_virtual_domains_as_well ?
[09:43:27] <Haris> currently its set to relay_domains = $mydestination
[09:43:42] <Haris> and mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain
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[09:45:52] <Haris> ?!?
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[09:47:42] <mjoseph> Haris: relay_domains should _never_ have $mydestination
[09:48:25] <mjoseph> the domains listed in mydestination, relay_domains, virtual_alias_domains, and virtual_mailbox_domains should _never_ overlap
[09:49:40] <mjoseph> you know, if it wouldn't make it such a huge pain in the ass for simple configurations, i almost wish there were a address_class_maps
[09:49:47] <mjoseph> option
[09:50:02] <mjoseph> Haris: that last comment wasn't to you (about address_class_maps)
[09:51:23] <Haris> mjoseph: I was saying that because, I think postfix uses or knows, for relay_domains it has to relay mail to the primary
[09:51:38] <mjoseph> yes, but you shouldn't have it in both relay_domains and mydestinatino
[09:51:41] <mjoseph> so, in your case
[09:51:47] <mjoseph> set: mydestinatino =
[09:51:49] <mjoseph> err
[09:51:51] <mjoseph> set: mydestination =
[09:51:56] <mjoseph> in other words, undefine it
[09:52:03] <Haris> ok and relay_domains = ?
[09:52:06] <mjoseph> and then set relay_domains to include the domains you want to relay
[09:52:09] <mjoseph> as in, your domain
[09:52:14] <Haris> great!
[09:52:17] <mjoseph> to do a local copy
[09:52:25] <Haris> so it receives mail for domains in relay_domains and relays them to primary?
[09:52:32] <mjoseph> yes
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[10:00:42] <mjoseph> hey, anyone here have commit access? :)
[10:00:49] * mjoseph spotted an error on postfix.org
[10:01:20] <Haris> mydestination = $mydomain,$myhostname,$transport_maps <- at present
[10:01:32] <mjoseph> ugh
[10:01:44] <Haris> I should unset this and move the value to relay_domains?
[10:01:51] <mjoseph> Haris: why in the world is transport_maps in mydestination?
[10:01:52] <Haris> but the $mydomain and $myhostname ?
[10:01:55] <Haris> not sure
[10:01:59] <mjoseph> it shouldn't be
[10:02:15] <Haris> transport_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/transport.cf
[10:02:20] * mjoseph sighs
[10:02:28] <mjoseph> i can't help you with strange mysql setups
[10:02:31] <Haris> :o it tells postfix which domains are local and which are virtual
[10:02:39] <mjoseph> not really
[10:03:06] <mjoseph> i suspect i know what it is doing
[10:03:11] <mjoseph> but i think it's a bad idea
[10:03:12] <mjoseph> anyway
[10:03:32] <Haris> | domain              | transport |
[10:03:37] <Haris> these are the two fields
[10:03:48] <mjoseph> yeah, it's just forcing postfix to accept all mail from the domains it knows about
[10:04:00] <mjoseph> the problem is that it now needs to filter using local_recipient_maps
[10:04:19] <mjoseph> and moreover, if it fails to rewrite the transport for some recipient, then it would be classed as local
[10:04:28] <Haris> postconf -n |grep local_recipient_maps doesn't return anything
[10:05:21] <mjoseph> postconf alias_maps
[10:13:15] <Haris> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[10:13:42] <mjoseph> then i hope it is filtering out unknown recipients some other way (maybe in a restriction)
[10:14:00] <Haris> this box is for a company that does mass emailing for customers
[10:14:05] <mjoseph> anyway, i have explained the basic way to run the backup mx
[10:14:06] <Haris> so they receive alot of bounce backs
[10:14:15] <Haris> which their app automatically notes down in DB
[10:14:28] <Haris> Lines 1-7: Forward mail from the Internet for "the.backed-up.domain.tld" to the primary MX host for that domain.
[10:14:30] <mjoseph> (set mydestination = , and set relay_domains to the list of domains)
[10:15:01] <mjoseph> i really dont' know enough about your specific setup to help you with how to remove the mysql cruft from this system
[10:15:16] <mjoseph> or worse, how to integrate it with a relay setup so that your virtual mail store gets a copy
[10:15:45] <Haris> what happens if I put $relay_domains = $mydestination
[10:16:37] <mjoseph> undefined results
[10:17:09] <mjoseph> someone very familiar with the address class lookups in postfix might be able to tell you what would probably happen
[10:17:13] <mjoseph> but it is not a supported configuration
[10:17:39] <Haris> in transport.cf -> hosts=localhost
[10:17:51] * mjoseph doesn't care
[10:17:58] <Haris> that might be segregating it
[10:18:04] <mjoseph> sorry, but i really can't help you with some system-specific mysql thing
[10:18:18] <Haris> this is postfix's transport.cf
[10:18:23] <Haris> nothing mysql specific
[10:18:30] <mjoseph> postfix doesn't have a transport.cf
[10:18:43] <Haris> it does have transports =
[10:18:49] <mjoseph> yes
[10:19:03] <mjoseph> actually
[10:19:07] <mjoseph> no it doesn't
[10:19:10] <Haris> transport_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/transport.cf
[10:19:15] <mjoseph> yes
[10:19:24] <mjoseph> the .cf files that define mysql and ldap tables
[10:19:27] <mjoseph> are user-written
[10:19:32] <mjoseph> they aren't part of postfix
[10:19:37] <mjoseph> directly
[10:19:55] <Haris> O..k..
[10:19:58] <mjoseph> anyway, if someone else here wants to help you with the mysql bits
[10:20:03] <mjoseph> i will gladly step back
[10:20:12] <mjoseph> but i don't really have time to figure out some custom setup
[10:20:21] <Haris> I have one more Q.
[10:20:32] <Haris> select_field=transport
[10:20:33] <Haris> where_field=domain
[10:20:33] <Haris> hosts=localhost
[10:20:49] <Haris> does this make it specific to localhost only?
[10:21:11] <mjoseph> where is that?
[10:21:23] <Haris> in transport.cf
[10:21:38] <mjoseph> that tells it that it should talk to the mysql server on localhost
[10:21:44] <Haris> :o
[10:21:45] <Haris> ok
[10:21:48] <mjoseph> it has nothing to do with domains
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[10:41:37] <Haris> how does the backup know which is primary mx?
[10:42:54] <tibyke> from dns
[10:42:58] <tibyke> surprisingly
[10:43:36] <Haris> so postfix can tell from dns and doesn't need any config parameter?
[10:46:40] <mjoseph> yes
[10:47:17] <mjoseph> though if you wish to configure it for safety (so as not to depend on dns poisoning) or to have a shadow primary, you can do so
[10:47:21] <mjoseph> using a transport_map
[11:01:47] <Haris> how would I use a transport map to distinguish between primary and backup?
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[11:06:23] <steinmb> hi
[11:08:38] <steinmb> Anyone else having problem with "blocked using zen.spamhaus.org" at the moment?
[11:10:48] <jduggan> no
[11:12:53] <steinmb> Hmmmm
[11:14:07] <jduggan> are you relaying from your telstraclear.net IP?
[11:15:03] <steinmb> no it is a server i Europe, Norway
[11:15:43] <jduggan> have all the usual stuff correct? matching A records, reverse ptr etc etc?
[11:15:56] <steinmb> started on friday, jo now detected it.
[11:16:06] <steinmb> Yes it has.
[11:16:21] <steinmb> if it have not changed during the weekend
[11:16:46] <jduggan> sending out spam? ;)
[11:17:20] <steinmb> hehe hope not. Checked the outgoing que and it only contain mail to my google acc.
[11:22:35] <steinmb> checking the outside DNS servers.
[11:22:46] <rob0> YOU are being blocked sending out? Look up your IP at spamhaus.
[11:22:47] <steinmb> There could be something wrong with them
[11:23:12] <rob0> or random non-listed hosts are being blocked, incoming?
[11:23:25] <steinmb> I my IP is not listed in http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/index.lasso
[11:23:34] <rob0> WHICH IS IT
[11:24:43] <rob0> can't help if you don't give a clear description of the problem, you have not done so.
[11:27:13] <steinmb> by the look of it, someone have done some changes is the network structure. I think it is related to DNS lookups
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[11:28:04] <steinmb> I have to check if they have change firewalls, setting etc on friday. what a stupid idea to change this things on a friday!
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[11:30:58] <steinmb> Heh! dig A example.com give the same A record everytime!
[11:31:24] <steinmb> I can pick any domain, always the same IP in the A record
[11:31:32] <rob0> dns hijacking
[11:32:02] <rob0> this came up on the list, yesterday?
[11:33:22] <rob0> You should run your own caching resolver, stop relying on the ISP's.
[11:35:07] <rob0> Spammer-mentality PHB's often get the idea that it would be a good idea to hijack all the NXDOMAIN lookups, take people to an advertising page. They don't know that more than just HTTP depends on DNS.
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[11:42:42] <steinmb> arrrrgggh!
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[11:43:39] <steinmb> found it, big ISP company taking over smaller comp. and closing and changing DNS server settups
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[11:44:44] <steinmb> http://www.ventelo.no/dt_about_us.aspx?m=132 the first section is every "old" dns they are closing and replacing it with the two at the bottom
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[13:12:20] <ricosecada> Any recommendations for setting amavis sa_tag2_level_deflt at a particular level? I seem to get spam no matter what I set this at.
[13:17:40] <checkers> why not ask in the amavis IRC channel rather than in one for an MTA?
[13:20:07] <ricosecada> Because nothing much goes on in #amavis and people here has experience with this
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[13:20:36] <war9407> conf.d/50-user:$sa_tag2_level_deflt = 3.7; # add 'spam detected' headers at that level
[13:20:38] <war9407> I use 3.7
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[13:47:23] <ricosecada> war9407, thanks! I will try that!
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[14:01:19] <mjoseph> does anyone know if it feasible to use cleanup: as a transport to cause direct reinjection of mail?
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[15:13:57] <Jamiesss> ?hey , anyone got any idea wat way 2 setup horde with cyrus, ldap , imap , postfix server ?
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[16:07:05] <BuenGenio> good day
[16:07:24] <Trengo> hi
[16:07:30] <BuenGenio> sorry to bother on a sunday, but could anyone tell me why postfix is refusing connections?
[16:07:42] <BuenGenio> i have shorewall installed, but i've enabled access on port 25 and restarted iptables...
[16:07:55] <mwalling> !debug
[16:07:56] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[16:07:56] <mwalling> !logs
[16:07:58] <knoba> mwalling: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[16:14:34] <BuenGenio> yes, no connections (apart from localhost via telnet) are being logged to /var/mail/info
[16:14:42] <BuenGenio> so i assume it's the firewall..
[16:15:00] <rob0> Don't assume, TEST.
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[16:26:50] <Ramattack> Helo mates!!!
[16:27:14] <Ramattack> I wanted to ask you a little question
[16:27:21] <mwalling> !ask
[16:27:22] <knoba> mwalling: "ask" : If you have a question, just ask. Precise questions lead to precise answers. Vague descriptions of your problem will get you nowhere. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[16:27:38] <BuenGenio> spamd[16619]: connection from Ramattack
[16:27:52] <BuenGenio> spamd[16619]: processing message
[16:28:01] <BuenGenio> go ahead Ramattack
[16:28:08] <Ramattack> does anyone please understand how reject_unverified_recipient parameter works with it's refreshes and expirations... I'm driving quite crazy
[16:28:12] 
[16:28:27] <Ramattack> oh sorry lol
[16:28:34] <Ramattack> I though you was saying me to go away
[16:28:39] * checkers doesn't think spamd is part of the normal postfix distribution :P
[16:29:21] <BuenGenio> yeah, using spamassassin-spamd/c
[16:29:26] <rob0> !verify
[16:29:27] <knoba> rob0: "verify" : Sender or recipient address verification features: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[16:29:29] <Ramattack> I'm a bit... how could I say.. nervous now... can't understand this terms and talking to Wietse can't understand the concepts of refresh and expiration managed by verify
[16:29:38] <Ramattack> rob0, have read it tons of times really mate
[16:29:44] <Ramattack> and have done checks...
[16:29:46] <Ramattack> and all
[16:29:49] <Ramattack> really....
[16:30:09] <Ramattack> have checked it too...
[16:30:40] <Ramattack> if you see in mailing list... there are several mails of verify parameter by subject
[16:31:25] <Ramattack> and well mates can't understand too Wietse explanations, don't know perhaps I'm very clumsy but... I can't believe this to be so complex
[16:31:30] <Ramattack> does anyone used it mates?
[16:32:55] <Ramattack> rob0, could you something about it mate?
[16:33:16] <Ramattack> or could you BuenGenio ?
[16:34:07] <BuenGenio> i'm not sure what Wietse is to be honest
[16:34:23] <mwalling> !wietse
[16:34:24] <knoba> mwalling: Error: "wietse" is not a valid command.
[16:34:53] <mwalling> !father
[16:34:54] <knoba> mwalling: "father" : Dr. Wietse Zweitze Venema, father of postfix. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wietse_Venema
[16:35:43] <Ramattack> BuenGenio, is postfix creator
[16:36:03] <BuenGenio> right
[16:36:06] <BuenGenio> sorry
[16:36:07] <checkers> Ramattack: what's wrong with the default settings?
[16:36:11] * BuenGenio goes and stands in the corner
[16:36:14] <BuenGenio> timeout 15 secs
[16:37:09] <Ramattack> the main thing is bad is that if I user of mine removes an account of his mailserver and I become 31d that is the positive expire time accepting mail for that recipient and later bouncing... I think is not very good...
[16:37:21] <Ramattack> sorry a customer more than a user
[16:37:29] <Ramattack> I have a postfix scanning machine
[16:37:49] <Ramattack> and have some customer who need they're mail to be scanned so they're primary mx is my postfix machine
[16:38:04] <Ramattack> but like they can today create an account and tomorrow remove it...
[16:38:23] <Ramattack> can't know with accounts they have... and you know if I left default values
[16:38:47] <Ramattack> I'll be bouncing mail one month if an account is removed from... they're corporate mailservers...
[16:38:54] <Ramattack> one month is too much IMHO
[16:39:07] <Ramattack> do you understand me checkers ?
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[16:40:34] <Ramattack> you're spamming the world in one month!
[16:41:29] <checkers> wait, why would you be spamming the world?
[16:41:34] <checkers> I don't undestand your setup
[16:41:57] <Ramattack> Imagine a postfix box as primary and unique mx for 100 domains for example....
[16:42:01] <rob0> backscatter, accepting spam for the deleted user
[16:42:53] <Ramattack> like are too many domains and are customer machines... or some ISP's would have this problem too when have users who manage they're mail domains and create accounts by themselves with cpanel plesk or like that...
[16:43:07] <Ramattack> you can't know wich accounts are created or not...
[16:43:19] <Ramattack> and wich are today created but tomorrow removed
[16:43:24] <Ramattack> till here ok checkers ?
[16:44:42] <Ramattack> the postfix box is primary mx and performs mail checking of virus and spam.. ok?
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[16:46:17] <checkers> I dont think you can rely on this one feature to eliminate all backscatter spam
[16:46:47] <Ramattack> true but it's better than accepting any address for any of those domains and later bouncing it
[16:47:11] <checkers> the cost is that you have to look up addresses more frequently
[16:47:22] <Ramattack> well no problem...
[16:47:32] <checkers> in reality, you can reduce the timeouts as low as you can before other servers begin to block or blacklist you
[16:47:49] <Ramattack> depends if are customer servers shouldn't
[16:48:13] <Ramattack> If I say to my customers what I'm going to do... they shouldn't block me...
[16:48:45] <Ramattack> I don't use it for sending mail to... don't know... yahoo... only to my customers domains
[16:48:53] <Ramattack> "inbound" mail only
[16:49:06] <Ramattack> but the problem is....
[16:49:07] <checkers> I think you are worried too much about backscatter spam from long expires then
[16:49:31] <Ramattack> mmmmm what I wanted to do basically is
[16:49:34] <checkers> you can't use this to eliminate all backscatter, and you shouldn't try
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[16:50:48] <Ramattack> checkers, but if I imagine expire once per day all recipients and don't do negative caching... newly created accounts will work at the moment AND created ones that are just removed will only be bouncing one day....
[16:51:06] <zbrown> Hi, I'm trying to setup postfix on a Debian etch server. I'd like to have local mail and then outgoing mail only from root (no users can send outgoing). Can anyone give me some ideas on how to get this going?
[16:51:33] <Ramattack> well that is what I wanted to get... but have done some checks with refresh and expire in minutes... you know for simulating it... and it doesn't work
[16:52:14] <Ramattack> checkers, do you know how exactly this parameter work? have you ever used them?
[16:52:47] <Ramattack> have disabled negative caching...
[16:52:52] <Ramattack> and have enabled positive
[16:53:00] <checkers> no, I've never used them in production
[16:53:07] <Ramattack> refresh in 3 minutes and expiration in 5 minutes....
[16:55:01] <Ramattack> weill if I send an email to a non existen account it's nicely rejected, later I create the account, send again the same mail... accepted! nice... till here BUT now... if I remove it again... I send an email to it... it bounces perfect!!! but it should stop bouncing when expire time arrives and it doesn't!!
[16:55:45] <Ramattack> the only way in wich I get this is if I don't send more mails to that account in... the expire time it works... else don't know it refreshes or something and seems that doesn't expire or something
[16:56:11] <Ramattack> this is my huge problem....
[16:56:39] * seekwill is confused
[16:56:56] <Ramattack> seekwill, for me? :)
[16:57:19] <seekwill> I sorta joined half way in...
[16:57:20] <Ramattack> have I explained checkers ?
[16:57:59] <Ramattack> seekwill, sorry for my english can't understand you're expression mate :)
[16:58:09] <Ramattack> could you say it easier please :)
[16:59:31] <seekwill> Ramattack: hehe, just ignore me :)  I won't be able to help you anyways. I was just wondering what was going on, since I joined in half way through your conversation
[16:59:54] <Ramattack> ;)
[17:00:43] <mwalling> seekwill: head. desk.\
[17:00:54] <Ramattack> well perhaps this other question is easier... is there any possibility of disabling bouncing in postfix for non existing mailboxes? well or unless disabling bouncing?
[17:03:26] <rob0> No, and failing to bounce for deleted addresses is very wrong!
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[17:04:20] <rob0> it's one thing to deliver a never-existed address to Dave, but if it existed and was deleted, that's bad.
[17:05:29] <seekwill> mwalling: Lucky for me, I'm still in bed
[17:05:44] <mwalling> seekwill: i was refering to the direction of conversation
[17:05:46] <Ramattack> no no I mean
[17:05:52] <seekwill> ah
[17:06:00] <Ramattack> If I accept all mail for all my domains
[17:06:20] <Ramattack> and later a recipient doesn't exist and is not deliverable... instead of bouncing just discard that mail....
[17:06:40] <BuenGenio> hi
[17:06:43] <BuenGenio> hello again
[17:06:49] <BuenGenio> how come i am getting this in the logs?
[17:06:54] <BuenGenio>  reject: RCPT from blu0-omc2-s14.blu0.hotmail.com[65.55.111.89]: 554 5.7.1
[17:07:19] <mwalling> BuenGenio: the *ENTIRE* line.
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[17:07:23] <BuenGenio>  Relay access denied; from=<xxxxx at hotmail dot com> to=<rockxxxxxxx at rockmanxxxxx dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<blu0-omc2-s14.blu0.hotmail.com>
[17:07:38] <seekwill> heh
[17:07:41] <BuenGenio> what is it that's supposedly being relayed?
[17:07:42] <mwalling> fscking mungers
[17:07:51] <BuenGenio> what the fsck? :P
[17:08:04] <seekwill> Why are addresses so secret?
[17:08:13] <BuenGenio> privacy?
[17:08:13] <mwalling> !relay_denied
[17:08:14] <knoba> mwalling: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[17:08:14] <BuenGenio> rockmanizales.com
[17:08:27] <rob0> Apparently blu0-omc2-s14.blu0.hotmail.com thinks you're the MX host for rockmanxxxxx.com.
[17:08:48] <BuenGenio> i AM the mx host for rockmanizales.com
[17:08:51] <BuenGenio> :P
[17:09:32] <BuenGenio> does that mean i need to add all potential incoming address to the whitelist or something?
[17:09:43] <rob0> !tell BuenGenio relay_denied
[17:09:53] <zbrown> Hi, I'm trying to setup postfix on a Debian etch server. I'd like to have local mail and then outgoing mail only from root (no users can send outgoing). Can anyone give me some ideas on how to get this going?
[17:10:14] <BuenGenio> could it be that the user mailbox is not setup?
[17:10:44] <seekwill> BuenGenio: I think he's trying to tell you that your postfix doesn't think that it is the MX host for that domain...
[17:10:58] <BuenGenio> also i can't get spamd to work despite having the following line in master.cf
[17:11:01] <BuenGenio> ooooohhhh
[17:11:02] <BuenGenio> ok
[17:11:04] <BuenGenio> i get it
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[17:11:14] <BuenGenio> what about this spamd thogh
[17:11:16] <BuenGenio> i have this
[17:11:20] <BuenGenio> spamchk   unix  -       n       n       -       10      pipe  flags=Rq user=filter argv=/usr/bin/spamchk -f ${sender} -- ${recipient}
[17:11:33] <Ramattack> does anybody know then if it's possible to disable bouncing in postfix?
[17:11:36] <BuenGenio> but i don't see it being called in /var/log/mail/info
[17:11:50] <seekwill> Ramattack: Are you worried about backscattering other people?
[17:11:56] <rob0> zbrown: authorized_submit_users, but it sounds a little strange
[17:13:26] <Ramattack> seekwill, definitively yes
[17:13:38] <Ramattack> you know what spammers are mate...
[17:14:02] <seekwill> Ramattack: Well, if your postfix is set up to not accept the message if the rcpt to is non existant, it would be an inband bounce, and wouldn't "backscatter".
[17:14:13] <seekwill> (I had this conversation a little while ago myself, to fully understand backscatter)
[17:14:24] <zbrown> rob0: it is a bit strange. Essentially I've got  server I'd like to have local mail on but the server won't actually be providing mail service (its an ssh shell server). I need outgoing mail for root only because we've got a script we'll be using to mail out user account details when we create/change/delete user accounts
[17:14:36] <seekwill> (I explained that wrong heh)
[17:14:50] <Ramattack> sorry inband?
[17:14:55] <rob0> shell users might want cron jobs
[17:15:09] <zbrown> rob0: thast not offered on the shell
[17:15:41] <zbrown> rob0: though, it could be. In this case I need a spam deterrent I guess.
[17:15:45] <rob0> also unset mynetworks, so they can't use SMTP
[17:16:27] <seekwill> Ramattack: If you reject the message at the rcptto phase of the smtp converstaion, you're telling the remote MTA that you're not accepting the message. That doesn't make your mta send a bounce message. This is an inband bounce. Backscatter occurs when your mta accepts the msg, decides it doesn't want to accept it, and then send out an email to the mail from address.
[17:16:42] <Ramattack> I know seekwill
[17:16:52] <Ramattack> but if you have a recipient that today exists
[17:17:00] <Ramattack> but tomorrow is removed...
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[17:17:17] <seekwill> oh
[17:17:24] <Ramattack> my server with default values for positive cache will be accepting mail and later bouncing it during one month
[17:17:25] <seekwill> mwalling: yeah, head. desk.
[17:17:43] <seekwill> Ramattack: I think you're worried too much
[17:18:07] <Ramattack> mmmm I know I have to be bouncing back perhaps... 1 day
[17:18:15] <Ramattack> but one month in my opinnion is too much...
[17:19:07] <Ramattack> I know I will prevent too much backscatter
[17:19:28] <Ramattack> true because I will do checks and I will see if the recipients exists or not
[17:19:33] <Ramattack> but the problem is when is cached
[17:20:06] <seekwill> Stop caching :)
[17:21:10] <Ramattack> I can't disable positive caching
[17:21:34] <Ramattack> the only thing I could do is to set it little values
[17:22:05] <Ramattack> but... have set minute values to test and simulate and hasn't worked
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[17:39:05] <Ramattack> has anyone ever disabled bouncing in postfix?
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[18:36:26] <troythetechguy_> I have a line in my /var/log/mail.log showing a message was sent early this morning to my gmail, but it was never received.  How can I find more info on this message?
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[19:21:52] <the-dude> does postfix support quota's by default ?
[19:24:26] <devdas> no
[19:25:04] <the-dude> thx
[19:25:05] <the-dude> 2 bad
[19:26:01] <devdas> Quotas are a responsibility of the message store
[19:26:49] <the-dude> so where would you suggest to implement quota's ?
[19:27:17] <seekwill> What about throttle quotas? (i.e., 100 messages per hour)
[19:27:22] <the-dude> I saw that I can arrange it in dovecot would that be a better place?
[19:28:31] <devdas> seekwill: policyd
[19:28:42] <seekwill> Personally, I hate quotas. Disk space is cheap. I prefer to monitor mailboxes, and see if there are constant abusers
[19:28:42] <devdas> the-dude: yes
[19:28:42] <devdas> http://policyd.sf.net
[19:28:45] <seekwill> devdas: Thanks
[19:29:32] <the-dude> devdas: thx :)
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[19:30:39] <seekwill> Who makes policyd? Just a random person or core devs from postfix?
[19:31:40] <seekwill> And is it still being developed or is it perfect (hehe)? The changelog is stagnet?
[19:31:55] <seekwill> Oh, v2...
[19:33:28] <devdas> v1 is stable
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[19:52:41] <MyQuiL> Is there a way to make postfix queue a message for some arbitrary amount of time before attempting to relay it? (ie: 1 minute)
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[20:00:04] <seekwill> Why do you want to do that?
[20:01:29] <MyQuiL> mostly testing.
[20:01:52] <seekwill> I'm just wondering the use case.
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[20:03:28] <tuxianer> hi, what does i have to do, if i want to send from server1 system mails via postfix to server2, server2 works with cyrus etc and administrated the mail system, what does i have to write into the config of postfix
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[20:06:20] <kennyt> I have a mailing list manager that's sending out copies of e-mails with "To: ex at lists dot first.org" but the server many of my users are on rewrites the To: and Reply-To: lines to "ex at my dot server.com" -- Is there any good way to stop this from my end?
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[20:07:27] <vice-versa> !standard
[20:07:27] <knoba> vice-versa: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[20:07:59] <kennyt> The ML address is virtual, mapped to ex at my dot server.com, so I guess that's how the remote server is getting that domain
[20:11:15] <kennyt> It's a Mirapoint server that's doing the rewriting
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[20:19:28] <Trengo> kennyt did you ask mirapoint?
[20:29:54] <kennyt> Trengo: not yet -- but i was hoping for a client-side hack so I don't have to deal with them :)
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[20:30:37] <Trengo> its better to deal with them, thats what you paid for ;)
[20:30:45] <c00l2sv> hi, someone has some time for a chat? I've got a question...
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[20:31:07] <kennyt> Trengo: the thing is, I'm not the admin of the misbehaving server
[20:31:34] <kennyt> might have to get the server owners to go to mirapoint, and that could be a lot of trouble
[20:33:14] <Trengo> are you sure? you even know it is a mirapoint :)
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[20:33:40] <kennyt> Trengo: well, I can read its initial 220
[20:34:03] <kennyt> plus it goes to that horrible mirapoint webmail
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[20:36:11] <c00l2sv> can somebody help me with postfix and domainkeys?
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[20:40:29] <Trengo> kennyt so you handle mail for my.server.com and lists.first.org?
[20:40:45] <kennyt> Trengo: yeah
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[20:43:04] <muecke78> c00l2sv: What's your question?
[20:43:24] <c00l2sv> i'm trying to add domainkeys to postfix
[20:43:34] <c00l2sv> postfix is on ubutnu
[20:43:48] <c00l2sv> and I couldn't find a good tutorial
[20:44:01] <Trengo> i dont think this can be done with postfix though...
[20:44:23] <c00l2sv> Trengo: I found a tutorial on howtoforge
[20:44:25] <muecke78> c00L2sv: I use  http://sourceforge.net/projects/dkim-milter/
[20:44:39] <c00l2sv> but it is not ok
[20:44:50] <c00l2sv> muecke78: thx i'll have a look
[20:46:05] <Trengo> i dont think you can rewrite headers like that...
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[20:50:16] <c00l2sv> muecke78: are you sure it will work with postfix?
[20:50:50] <muecke78> c00I2sv: Absolutely, cause I use it with postfix 2.3 and etch
[20:50:56] <c00l2sv> i see
[20:51:20] <c00l2sv> did you downloaded and installed manually libmilter?
[20:51:49] <muecke78> the package was provided by debian
[20:53:38] <pickcoder> how does that work? does the sender and recipient both need to use DKIM?
[20:53:51] <c00l2sv> i'm trying to make dkim-milter-2.5.5, but i get ERROR: Can not locate an M4 program
[20:54:07] <seekwill> pickcoder: Yes
[20:54:24] <pickcoder> meh
[20:54:36] <muecke78> c00I2sv: again, m4 was available as a package by debian
[20:54:49] <pickcoder> there are too many things floating around
[20:54:55] <seekwill> pickcoder: The sender MTA signs the message with DK/DKIM, and the receiver checks the hash with the public key located in the sending domain's DNS
[20:55:28] <seekwill> pickcoder: Individually they suck, but used together with other systems, it works great
[20:55:48] <seekwill> Gmail and Yahoo uses them, so should you!!!
[20:56:07] <pickcoder> gmail and yahoo are evil
[20:56:08] <c00l2sv> i'm dorry for a lot of questions, but they don't write there everything
[20:56:15] <c00l2sv> sorry*
[20:56:44] <muecke78> c00I2sv: What OS are you using?
[20:56:48] <pickcoder> the only reason I saw a tad bit of interest there was the fact that Cisco took part in the collaboration
[20:57:21] <seekwill> It doesn't matter who's evil. It matters is, where your receivers are.
[20:57:43] <seekwill> ... what matters.... blah... too early in morning
[20:57:50] <c00l2sv> hardy
[20:57:53] <c00l2sv> on a vps
[20:58:46] <muecke78> cl00I2sv: So you should be able to install m4 and libmilter with aptitude or any other package manager
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[20:59:03] <c00l2sv> yes, i did that already
[20:59:22] <c00l2sv> i just apologize for many questions
[20:59:38] <pickcoder> I'd like to know how man headers hitting our filter gate have DKIM
[20:59:43] <muecke78> c002L2sv: Don't worry to much
[20:59:52] <pickcoder> I'd deploy it if it was worth the effort
[21:00:05] <pickcoder> time=money and all
[21:00:23] <c00l2sv> thx anyway for support
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[21:03:00] <seekwill> pickcoder: All your mail from yahoo, and perhaps gmail would have them
[21:03:22] <pickcoder> and the spam coming from them would pass through the filters..
[21:03:24] <pickcoder> <g>
[21:03:33] <seekwill> No
[21:03:55] <seekwill> DK/DKIM is *part* of an overall authentication strategy
[21:03:58] <pickcoder> I know
[21:04:00] <seekwill> Not a bypass spam
[21:04:09] <pickcoder> our problem is sending
[21:04:24] <pickcoder> mostly with our semi-monthly newsletter
[21:04:25] <seekwill> Sign with DK and DKIM then
[21:04:36] <seekwill> Read all the ISP's bulk mail policies
[21:04:42] <pickcoder> did that
[21:04:45] <pickcoder> complained many times
[21:04:54] <pickcoder> on several loop-backs
[21:04:58] <pickcoder> still get blocked for hours
[21:05:09] <pickcoder> yahoo is the worse, though
[21:05:12] <pickcoder> anyway
[21:07:36] <seekwill> Yahoo is always bad. Maybe people just don't like your newsletters ;)
[21:07:58] <pickcoder> no.. they sign up for it and then click on every HTML ad and send a "this is spam" notice.
[21:08:05] <pickcoder> very annoying
[21:08:30] <pickcoder> the biz accounts have made me resort to MX lookups to sniff out the yahoo accounts on a per-mail basis
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[21:09:07] <pickcoder> complain as I may, the mail still has to go considering webmail accounts make up most of the list
[21:10:14] <pickcoder> I've already blocked a number of large domains due to spam filtering and pointless challenge systems
[21:10:21] <pickcoder> marketing still doesn't get it..
[21:12:16] <devdas> just unsubscribe those who click on the "this is spam"
[21:12:18] <seekwill> It happens even to the largest companies... Working with an ISP relation consultant helps, since they have the contacts inside to make things happen
[21:12:25] <seekwill> devdas: :)
[21:12:28] <pickcoder> it's not that simple with 28K mails
[21:12:29] <devdas> As long as you have CoI, your lists will get cleaned
[21:12:41] <devdas> pickcoder: you already have the feedback loops
[21:12:45] <pickcoder> for AOL
[21:12:48] <seekwill> pickcoder: That's what feedback loops are for
[21:12:51] <seekwill> And VERP
[21:12:56] <pickcoder> I get 2 or 3 per month from AOL
[21:13:09] <pickcoder> out of 56K e-mails
[21:13:20] <pickcoder> that isn't the thorn in my side
[21:13:58] <seekwill> http://wordtothewise.com/services/ hehe
[21:14:22] <seekwill> If you're getting 28k "this is spam" clicks out of 56k, you have some other issues...
[21:14:30] <pickcoder> no
[21:14:33] <pickcoder> 28K per sending
[21:14:35] <pickcoder> twice a month
[21:14:38] <seekwill> oh
[21:14:54] <pickcoder> it's mostly Yahoo that has the "due to customer complaints" blocking
[21:14:54] <devdas> heh
[21:15:04] <seekwill> Yeah
[21:15:11] <devdas> I was just about to recommend WTTW
[21:15:22] <pickcoder> we don't get a ton of "remove me" e-mails, but at the same time people use webmail tools to complain
[21:15:26] <seekwill> I'm thinking they have some bug in their scripts for the classification
[21:15:30] <seekwill> devdas: Do you know them?
[21:15:33] <devdas> nope
[21:15:34] <devdas> yes
[21:15:48] <seekwill> devdas: You're a customer?
[21:15:52] <devdas> not yet
[21:16:23] <devdas> Though I will whitelist people if WTTW asks
[21:16:24] <pickcoder> wttw?
[21:16:31] <devdas> wordtothewise
[21:16:34] <pickcoder> hm
[21:16:45] <devdas> Laura isn't cheap, but she's good
[21:16:56] <c00l2sv> ok, i found most of the libs it needed
[21:16:59] <c00l2sv> but /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmilter
[21:17:13] <c00l2sv> i can understand what does it mean...
[21:17:17] <devdas> c00l2sv: you have to build libmilter from the Sendmail source
[21:17:18] <pickcoder> yahoo basically told me that if the blocking continues for more than 4 hours to contact them back and they'll look into it
[21:17:58] <c00l2sv> devdas: the package from repos it not ok?
[21:18:19] <muecke78> just install libmilter-dev
[21:18:24] <c00l2sv> i did that
[21:18:34] <c00l2sv> libmilter-dev and libssl-dev
[21:18:35] <devdas> http://blog.wordtothewise.com/index.php/2008/04/30/aol-publishes-sender-recommendation/
[21:18:42] <devdas> hmmmm
[21:19:04] <muecke78> and libmilter0
[21:19:14] <c00l2sv> not sure, yet
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[21:19:38] <c00l2sv> you mean libmilter1
[21:19:39] <c00l2sv> ?
[21:19:43] <c00l2sv> yes
[21:20:08] <devdas> http://blog.wordtothewise.com/index.php/2008/05/01/sender-complaints-about-spamfiltering/
[21:20:11] <muecke78> on etch it is libmilter0
[21:20:20] <c00l2sv> aha, i see
[21:20:21] <seekwill> devdas: So much nice info out there! :)
[21:20:51] <c00l2sv> so what should i do with : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmilter
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[21:21:31] <seekwill> Isn't there some sort of install guide for it?
[21:21:48] <devdas> c00l2sv: where is libmilter?
[21:21:55] <devdas> libmilter.so
[21:22:13] <c00l2sv> libmilter: /usr/lib/libmilter /usr/include/libmilter
[21:23:18] <c00l2sv> /usr/lib/libmilter/libmilter.so
[21:23:19] <c00l2sv> /usr/lib/libmilter/libmilter.so.1
[21:23:19] <c00l2sv> /usr/lib/libmilter.so.1
[21:25:56] <devdas> aha
[21:26:38] <devdas> so you need to build with: make CFLAGS='-L/usr/lib/libmilter -llibmilter'
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[21:27:22] <muecke78> cl00l2sv: Just to mkae sure: You run ./configure before?
[21:27:36] <devdas> muecke78: Postfix doesn't need a ./configure
[21:27:41] <devdas> It
[21:27:41] <timboy> newb to postfix. I created a domain and user in my db. and it didn't automatically create the folder under /var/mail... can someone tell me why?
[21:27:50] <muecke78> but dkim-milter
[21:27:52] <devdas> It's just make with a bunch of options
[21:28:03] <devdas> timboy: send the user an email
[21:28:08] <devdas> ah, yes
[21:28:35] <c00l2sv> in INSTALL they didnt wrote to run ./configure
[21:28:48] <devdas> c00l2sv: INSTALL for what?
[21:28:57] <muecke78> cl00l2sv: You are right, I was wrong. Build should be ok
[21:29:11] <c00l2sv> devdas: a file inside dkim-milter tarball
[21:29:12] <devdas> Postfix? dkim-milter?
[21:29:19] <devdas> ah
[21:29:24] <pickcoder> INSTALL is normall the build instructions
[21:29:29] <pickcoder> normally...
[21:29:30] <devdas> anyway, you have libmilter.so
[21:29:35] <c00l2sv> yes
[21:29:40] <c00l2sv> but it doesn't find it
[21:29:53] <c00l2sv> let me try with what you've pasted
[21:29:55] <devdas> you just don't have /usr/lib/libmilter in your default library search path
[21:30:04] <devdas> Add that directory to your ld.so.conf
[21:30:11] <devdas> and then run ldconfig
[21:30:14] <c00l2sv> ok
[21:30:16] <devdas> Followed by a make
[21:30:25] <timboy> nice devdas lol why does it do that?
[21:31:01] <pickcoder> wonder why the makefile just doesn't put a symlink in /usr/lib/
[21:31:11] <devdas> Alternatively, you need make tidy && make LDFLAGS='-L/usr/lib/libmilter -lmilter' CFLAGs='-
[21:31:20] <devdas> I /usr/lib/libmilter/'
[21:31:39] <devdas> timboy: the mailbox is created either on mail delivery or by external software
[21:34:14] <timboy> devdas, ok gotcha thank you.
[21:35:39] <timboy> ok another question is there a way to create a separate tls certificate for each domain on a single name based server? or do i have to have an ip address per domain?
[21:36:37] <devdas> IP
[21:36:45] <devdas> similar to https
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[21:37:34] <c00l2sv> I added: include /usr/lib/libmilter to ld.so.conf and run ldconfig -v but I couldn't find that directory is included
[21:37:45] <timboy> even if it is a self signed certificate? I have a fried who is using zimbra and he is somehow able to use tls for every domain...
[21:40:08] <devdas> timboy: one certificate per IP
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[21:53:55] <c00l2sv> devdas: even if ldconfig -v shows that it found libmilter , i'm still getting the same problem
[21:54:10] <BuenGenio> evening
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[22:04:57] <troythetechguy> my /var/log/mail.info file shows an e-mail was sent, but the e-mail never arrived at the destination, and this happen twice.  Any ideas how to find out what happen to the message?
[22:07:07] <devdas> troythetechguy: postmaster at destination dot domain
[22:08:39] <troythetechguy> devdas: Thanks.  I'm new to all this so I want to send an e-mail to posmaster@the address the e-mail was sent to?
[22:09:10] <pickcoder> troythetechguy: if the server dropped the mail blindly as spam then only the postmaster on the other side will be able to tell what happened
[22:09:18] <pickcoder> provided they are logging such info
[22:09:53] <troythetechguy> Thanks.
[22:18:12] <c00l2sv> btw, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkim-milter/
[22:18:39] <c00l2sv> do ubuntu provides deb for dkim-milter?
[22:19:22] <c00l2sv> or that is just dkim-filter?
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[22:41:35] <GoSox> hello
[22:42:06] <GoSox> I'm looking to make a catch-all email address for one of my domains. only one though. anything @ domain x goes to real address @ domain x , that type of thing
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[22:44:11] <Trengo> thats just it i think
[22:44:33] <Trengo> @domain address@anotherdomain
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[22:44:55] <GoSox> where do i put this?
[22:46:11] <Trengo> mine are virtualusers
[22:47:59] <GoSox> do i have to go tinto main.cf and do this line i'm seeing on the interweebz telling it to use the postfix virtual file for virtual alias maps?
[22:48:20] <vice-versa> !catchall
[22:48:21] <knoba> vice-versa: "catchall" : sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax.
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[22:51:30] <devdas> if the domain is in mydestination, luser_relay
[22:51:35] <devdas> !luser_relay
[22:51:36] <knoba> devdas: "luser_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional catch-all destination for unknown local(8) recipients. By default, mail for unknown recipients in domains that match $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces is returned as undeliverable.
[22:56:44] <troythetechguy> I'm using postfix on my drupal site.  When I register for an event, I receive a confirmation e-mail as expected, but when i cancel my registration, I don't receive the confirmation e-mail like I should.  Both incidents show "sent" in /var/log/mail.log, and it's the same e-mail address.  Any ideas?
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[23:00:21] <vice-versa> where is it being delivered?
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[23:01:40] <troythetechguy> vice-versa: Do you mean like what's the e-mail address?
[23:01:54] <vice-versa> yes
[23:02:04] <vice-versa> is it something you control or no?
[23:02:41] <troythetechguy> It's being sent to my g-mail address.  I'm testing the site before taking it live.
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[23:05:29] <vice-versa> is it going to Spam?
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[23:19:21] <troythetechguy> vice-versa: No.  i check my gmail spam directory and nothing.
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