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[00:02:56] <zafer__> hello guys
[00:03:29] <zafer__> i'm getting: unknown mail transport error
[00:06:07] <zafer__> i'm not chrooting
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[01:10:13] <troythetechguy> Hi, I'm trying to set up postfix for the 1st time on my apache server.  I am unable to send mail out.  My /etc/hosts
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[01:10:48] <troythetechguy> file has the following  127.0.0.1       localhost
[01:10:49] <troythetechguy> 127.0.1.1       computer2
[01:10:49] <troythetechguy> .  I think this might have something to do with it, but I"m not sure what to change it to
[01:14:12] <growltiger_> use a real ip like 192.168 or 10.0.0
[01:14:49] <rob0> /etc/hosts is not used for mail routing.
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[01:52:33] <Ramattack> helo!!!
[01:52:41] <timotiCK> May  9 13:39:38 mow-lb02 postfix/smtp[24934]: 2EF295D4008: to=<t.tangiruaine at gmail dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.21, delays=0.21/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=gmail.com type=A: Host not found, try again)
[01:52:48] <Mathman> ha, I'm always offtopic pretty much it seems.  but anyway, I'm cat'ing an html file to mail, but when it shows up on my mail client all I see is the html source.  anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[01:52:57] <Ramattack> have been reading about... is there any way in postfix for stop bouncing when non existent recipient?
[01:53:38] <timotiCK> beHi everyone
[01:54:10] <timotiCK> been trying to solve the above pasted error from tail -f /var/log/mail/info
[01:54:38] <timotiCK> mailserver cannot send external emails
[01:54:46] <timotiCK> can anyone help
[01:54:49] <timotiCK> ??
[01:55:59] <Ramattack> timotiCK, have you dns well configured in that server? have you relay permission through it?
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[01:56:13] <rob0> Sounds like either disable_dns_lookups or chroot
[01:56:36] <rob0> Mathman needs to do MIME encoding
[01:57:05] <Mathman> rob0: well I have this thrown in there: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
[01:57:08] <Mathman> would that not do it?
[01:57:16] <rob0> Ram, don't accept mail for recipients which don't exist.
[01:57:47] <rob0> apparently it did NOT do it, right?
[01:58:50] <Ramattack> rob0, yep but I have postfix scanning boxes
[01:59:03] <Ramattack> scanning mail for cpanels, plesks... exchanges...
[01:59:14] <Ramattack> and I don't know wich accounts could be, it's quite impossible...
[02:00:08] <rob0> It doesn't work anymore. It never really did. You can't continue acting as MX without the ability to validate recipients. Period. People a lot smarter than us have tried to figure out how to make it work.
[02:00:24] <Ramattack> so I'm gonna use reject_unverified_recipient... perhaps without negative caching... but you know when an address exists.. and is removed while is cached.. is accepted and later bounced... that's why I wanted to disable this bounces
[02:01:12] <Ramattack> well it's working in several ISP... in wich you hire cleaning you're coporative mail...
[02:01:31] 
[02:01:48] <Ramattack> it's complex and have to manage queue nice... but should work
[02:01:51] <rob0> reject_unverified_recipient only works if the idiotic backend will reject unknown recipients
[02:01:54] <Ramattack> the only problem is spam bounces
[02:02:09] <rob0> plesk/cpanel is often qmail
[02:02:13] <Ramattack> if the destination server you mean?
[02:02:21] <Ramattack> nope cpanel is exim
[02:02:27] <rob0> MSexChange is a tossup, some do it, others don't
[02:02:35] <Ramattack> plesk is qmail wich chkuser so it checks them
[02:02:49] <rob0> Too damn many stupid people managing email, I swear.
[02:02:50] <Ramattack> I don't like too... but.. there it is...
[02:02:57] <Ramattack> :) yep
[02:03:27] <Ramattack> I'm finishing now a postfix policy wich would allow us to reject mail at smtp time too if user is overquota
[02:03:34] <Ramattack> I'll open it
[02:03:47] <KragenSitaker> Ramattack: neat!
[02:04:03] <Ramattack> I think that if we reject most mail non deliverable at smtp time... some of our customers would let us a little more relaxed
[02:04:27] <Ramattack> :) KragenSitaker
[02:04:47] <rob0> check_recipient_access could do that too, when user goes overquota, add to list & postmap it.
[02:04:51] <KragenSitaker> Ramattack: do you have to accept mail for your customers when their machines are down?
[02:05:14] <Ramattack> it will work in any postfix box or in any postfix box wich could connect to an xinetd service on a non postfix machine that uses maildir and size quotas not by message count
[02:05:40] <Ramattack> KragenSitaker, could happen but for the moment I'm just cleaning mail for some machines...
[02:06:07] <Ramattack> and would work for alias addresses too :) all will be stored in mysql :)
[02:06:14] <Ramattack> and done in perl :)
[02:06:27] <Ramattack> well but anyway...
[02:06:35] <Ramattack> any way of disable bouncing in postfix
[02:06:36] <Ramattack> ?
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[02:07:52] <Ramattack> the next year I'll modify it... (the policy) for being able that an ISP with don't know 10 frontal postfix with mail scanning and so purposes to be able to connect to the server in wich mailboxes of the domain are stored, check if it's enough free space for the mail and later either accept or reject it...
[02:07:59] <Ramattack> but this last the next year :)
[02:08:19] <Ramattack> now for a frontal machine who connects to another or directly for any postfix
[02:08:40] <tyrok> Hi!  Is there a way to allow unauthenticated relaying for a particular IP (like if you added it to mynetworks), but only if it connects using a particular port?
[02:08:43] <Ramattack> rob0, but this is online checks
[02:09:02] <Ramattack> rob0, how many mails could I send you in 5 minutes? :)
[02:09:23] <KragenSitaker> Ramattack: I wrote a Python milter for similar kinds of stuff yesterday: http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tmp/minimilter.py.html
[02:09:27] <Ramattack> and perhaps you're doing too much work
[02:10:20] <Ramattack> what does this KragenSitaker ?
[02:10:26] <KragenSitaker> although in my case I'm just looking up the receiving user in a fixed configuration file read at startup
[02:10:46] <KragenSitaker> Ramattack: it blocks mail to e.g. kragen-tol at lists dot canonical.org at the SMTP level
[02:11:02] <Ramattack> but when is overquota or so?
[02:11:05] <KragenSitaker> instead of bouncing it after accepting it
[02:11:14] <KragenSitaker> no, i haven't implemented any kind of quota checking
[02:11:19] <rob0> How does your milter differ from check_recipient_access?
[02:11:20] <KragenSitaker> most of the program is just the milter interface :(
[02:11:24] <Ramattack> oh I see..
[02:11:44] <Ramattack> I hope the next week to send some links to postfix-users and to open it... :)
[02:11:54] <Ramattack> I hope... if I continue without problems
[02:12:15] <Ramattack> KragenSitaker, but that is not possible just with a recipient list?
[02:13:00] <KragenSitaker> well, what I want to do is accept mail for kragen-discuss at lists dot canonical.org if the sender is a subscriber to the mailing list
[02:13:10] <KragenSitaker> or one of the other related mailing lists like kragen-tol
[02:13:24] <KragenSitaker> rob0: can I do that with check_recipient_access? I can't tell
[02:13:25] <Ramattack> but are you using any mailing list manager?
[02:13:34] <rob0> Oh, so it's like a combination of check_recipient_access and check_sender_access
[02:13:44] <rob0> !restriction_class
[02:13:45] <knoba> rob0: "restriction_class" : http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
[02:13:50] <Ramattack> mailman does that directly
[02:14:05] <rob0> You reinvented a wheel, sounds like.
[02:14:08] <KragenSitaker> yes, I'm using mailman
[02:14:49] <Ramattack> then... don't understand... mailman does that directly... you can configure it...
[02:14:53] <KragenSitaker> aha! there we go --- http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html#internal
[02:15:25] <KragenSitaker> thanks rob0!  maybe I can use that instead
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[02:17:23] <rob0> Restriction classes can get very complicated, a lot of branching and conditional execution just like a real programming language.
[02:17:42] <Ramattack> very useful restriction classes...
[02:18:10] <rob0> Mine literally give me headaches to try to figure out what I did and why.
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[02:18:36] <KragenSitaker> One could imagine preferring writing them in a real programming language like Python instead, as a result, but not at the cost of depending on 300+ lines of milter-protocol code and having an extra daemon to worry about
[02:18:39] <rob0> (but it works, so I just patch it up as needed and move on.)
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[02:19:23] <KragenSitaker> This is fantastic!  Thanks!
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[02:19:49] <timotiCK> nameserver 202.65.32.128
[02:19:49] <timotiCK> nameserver 202.65.32.127
[02:19:49] <timotiCK> nameserver 202.65.32.128 # ppp temp entry
[02:19:50] <timotiCK> nameserver 202.65.32.127 # ppp temp entry
[02:19:55] <timotiCK> sorry
[02:20:10] <KragenSitaker> In theory you could implement arbitrarily hairy restriction schemes with the milter approach, but I don't need that right now.
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[02:21:31] <tyrok> Is there a way to get the Postfix "sendmail" command to send using a different port?
[02:21:47] <troythetechguy> I'm receiving the following message in /var/log/mail.info   status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to smtp.localdomain  Any ideas?
[02:22:27] <timotiCK> Ramattack: that was my resolv.conf info I pasted above!!
[02:23:15] <tyrok> troythetechguy: The messages are being held for awhile, but are supposed to be resent later.  It's not an inherently bad thing to get in your logs.  But if you get that and the messages are not getting through at all, that's a problem.
[02:23:24] <Ramattack> just see if you could from that machine resolv the domains you are sending mail to.. and later check if it doesn't say relay access denied just it
[02:23:47] <KragenSitaker> troythetechguy: smtp.localdomain?
[02:24:18] <troythetechguy> tyrok: Thank you.  The latter part is true, the messages are not getting through.  This is my 1st attempt setting up postfix, so please be gentle!  :)
[02:25:48] <rob0> K, another option (probably simpler than milter) is a policy service.
[02:26:48] <timotiCK> Ramattack: yes it can resolve the domains I am sending to.....no relay access denied error ever encounted.
[02:26:51] 
[02:26:52] <tyrok> troythetechguy: Ah, thought you might have just been an overly paranoid log watcher.  :)
[02:27:07] <Ramattack> timotiCK, do a mailq to see if are queued
[02:27:08] <Ramattack> and why
[02:28:49] <timotiCK> Ramattack: 07FE75D400A     3867 Fri May  9 14:06:52  timoti at mow dot gov.ck (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=gmail.com type=A: Host not found, try again)  t.tangiruaine at gmail dot com
[02:29:19] <Ramattack> well is a dns problem
[02:29:23] <Ramattack> use another dns
[02:29:28] <Ramattack> like... 194.30.0..1
[02:29:31] <Ramattack> sorry
[02:29:34] <Ramattack> 194.30.0.1
[02:29:36] <Ramattack> and it will work
[02:29:42] <rob0> tyrok: the Postfix sendmail(1) command merely enqueues mail to be handled by whatever transport is appropriate/configured.
[02:30:02] <tyrok> rob0: OK, that makes sense.
[02:30:10] <KragenSitaker> rob0: oh, I don't know about policy services
[02:30:22] <rob0> Tim must have me on /ignore.
[02:30:36] <rob0> !policy
[02:30:37] <knoba> rob0: Error: "policy" is not a valid command.
[02:31:09] <rob0> KragenSitaker, it won't be hard to find the right README if you're interested.
[02:31:30] <KragenSitaker> yeah, that's what i figured :)
[02:31:52] <tyrok> rob0: Thanks - I think that's enough for me to solve my problem.
[02:32:11] <KragenSitaker> SMTPD_POLICY_README
[02:32:11] <tyrok> rob0: So far into my current problem that I'm not thinking well.  :)
[02:33:14] <rob0> K, yup.
[02:34:31] <KragenSitaker> heh, after implementing the milter protocol, the policy delegation protocol sounds soooo much nicer.  even though i can just use restriction classes for what i need at the moment
[02:34:58] <rob0> yes, I figured the policy protocol might be a bit simpler
[02:36:49] <KragenSitaker> reading all the stuff in /usr/share/doc/postfix probably would have taken me about 8 hours, so writing the milter was probably comparable effort to reading the documentation straight through.  but maybe if i'd done enough asking for help, i wouldn't have had to do either.
[02:37:03] <KragenSitaker> or if i knew enough to know where to look in the documentation.
[02:37:19] <rob0> I always symlink my html_directory into apache's htdocs.
[02:37:35] * rob0 likes to have a ready reference
[02:37:47] <rob0> I also do that with the BIND 9 ARM.
[02:43:20] <KragenSitaker> wow, i can't believe it didn't occur to me to run the milter from master.cf
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[02:44:36] <rob0> http://www.oyster.net.ck/about/index.php?about=domain
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[02:50:20] <Ramattack> well mates
[02:50:23] <Ramattack> time to sleep
[02:50:28] <Ramattack> bye!!! see u!!!
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[03:20:23] <tessier_> Hello all!
[03:21:24] <dragonheart> all says hello too
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[03:22:59] <tessier_> I'm having a dumb problem. I've done all kinds of postfix setups before but I am having trouble getting relay to work on this one. I've got mynetworks_style = subnet and mynetworks = 207.158.40.192/26 and when I connect to my server from 207.158.40.211 (or any other IP in my block) I can't relay.
[03:23:02] <tessier_> What have I missed?
[03:24:24] <rob0> looks right to me, maybe you changed something else, and you definitely did NOT show logs.
[03:24:29] <tessier_> The log even says: May  9 18:23:44 newmailman postfix/smtpd[6422]: connect from mail.interactivate.com[207.158.40.201]
[03:24:41] <tessier_> So I'm coming from .201 in this case
[03:33:38] <mjoseph> tessier_: what is the NOQUEUE message?
[03:34:32] <tessier_> mjoseph: May  9 18:34:15 newmailman postfix/smtpd[6517]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail.interactivate.com[207.158.40.201]: 554 5.7.1 <treed at ultraviolet dot org>: Relay access denied; from=<treed at ultraviolet dot org> to=<treed at ultraviolet dot org> proto=SMTP helo=<tracy>
[03:34:49] <tessier_> I tried sending mail to my personal email from an office ip
[03:37:10] <mjoseph> mynetworks_style is unnecessary if you specify mynetworks explicitly
[03:37:27] <mjoseph> what is your smtpd_recipient_restrictions?
[03:37:36] <mjoseph> or, really, any of them
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[03:47:26] <mjoseph> well
[03:47:27] <tyrok> How do you get Postfix to always send on a different port?
[03:47:27] <mjoseph> heading out
[03:47:28] <mjoseph> good luck
[04:02:26] <tyrok> Eureka!!  I've found it!  You can put a port specifier in relayhost.  Yay!!!
[04:02:48] <rob0> postconf smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[04:03:13] * tyrok jumps for joy.  Runs around in circles screaming.  Waits for audience applause - not a sausage.  :)
[04:03:17] <rob0> That's the only stage that can give "Relay access denied".
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[04:10:29] <tyrok> You can forget pretty much all of my questions from tonight.  I finally got it all to work.  Had to redirect all e-mail from an HTTP server to the mail server through a non-standard port to bypass authentication on the mail server.  Dude, that was complicated.
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[05:54:57] <seekwill> book
[06:07:15] <growltiger_> chair
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[08:39:14] <nilesh123> can any one give me url for configuring POSTFIX With LDAP
[08:41:06] <growltiger_> www.postfix.org
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[08:50:17] <nilesh123> May 10 07:44:56 localhost postfix/master[16662]: warning: /usr/libexec/postfix/local: bad command startup -- throttling
[08:50:18] <nilesh123> May 10 07:45:56 localhost postfix/local[22506]: fatal: unsupported dictionary type: ldap
[08:51:18] <nilesh123> any idea about this log?
[08:51:40] <hparker> You postfix install doesn't support ldap
[08:52:30] <nilesh123> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-aliases.cf
[08:53:06] <nilesh123> hparker: what package it require to make it supported
[08:53:31] <hparker> no clue, I compile it.. Well, kinda... portage handles everything for me
[08:55:03] <nilesh123> portage??
[08:55:04] <nilesh123> means
[08:55:24] <hparker> I run Gentoo
[08:56:10] <hparker> I would guess it's a postfix-ldap package, or something named similar to that
[08:56:23] <hparker> Even when I ran RH/FC i compiled most stuff
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[09:15:47] <nilesh123> [root@localhost README_FILES]# testsaslauthd -u cyrus -p secret
[09:15:48] <nilesh123> 0: NO "authentication failed
[09:16:04] <nilesh123> how can i create this username and password?
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[10:39:50] <RedShift> hi all
[10:40:01] <RedShift> in some emails I see url's like these: http://treanekk=2Ecom/
[10:40:14] <RedShift> that =2E is translated by my mail client to a . (dot)
[10:40:19] <RedShift> what kind of encoding is this?
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[10:45:24] <hparker> quoted printable iirc
[10:47:01] <RedShift> hparker: is there some translation matrix or something available?
[10:48:52] <hparker> I'd ask google
[10:55:23] <RedShift> hmm
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[11:05:30] <RedShift> well it seems decoding a mime messages isn't as easy as I thought it would be...
[11:22:58] <RedShift> aah found something
[11:23:01] <RedShift> http://www.php.net/imap_qprint
[11:23:05] <RedShift> this solves it nicely ^_^
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[13:18:53] <troythetechguy> I've been trying to get postfix to work on my apache server, but to no avail.  How can I test to see if the issue is my setup, or if my isp is blocking outgoing mail on port 25?
[13:19:28] <dmnd> telnet out to some mailserver on port 25?
[13:19:33] <dmnd> or netcat
[13:24:51] <troythetechguy> dmnd: I just found a tutorial that showed telnet localhost 25, and then some commands.  I tried this and all went well.  I assume this means everything is fine internally.  Now, how do I find a external mailserver to telnet to?
[13:27:52] <RedShift> troythetechguy: try mail2.webmind.be
[13:28:19] <RedShift> troythetechguy: that's one of mine, you should be able to connect to port 25 on that
[13:28:28] <troythetechguy> RedShift: Thanks.
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[13:30:49] <troythetechguy> I issued the following telnet mail2.webmind.be 25, and it just hangs at trying.......  Does this mean, more than likely, my ISP is blocking this?
[13:31:22] <RedShift> yes, your ISP is blocking port 25
[13:32:29] <troythetechguy> And this would explain why my drupal install cannot sent mail either.  Any ways around this?
[13:32:42] <RedShift> yes
[13:32:51] <RedShift> configure your MTA to relay mail to your provider's SMTP server
[13:33:01] <RedShift> commonly called "smarthost"
[13:33:26] <troythetechguy> I read that on a few tutorials, but how do I find the address/name of my providers SMTP server?
[13:34:01] <RedShift> troythetechguy: ask them what you should use for sending email
[13:34:53] <troythetechguy> Will this be the same SMTP info I used when setting up my e-mail with them in my e-mail program (like outlook)?
[13:36:37] <RedShift> yes
[13:37:23] <troythetechguy> Ah, thank you!
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[13:39:49] <dmnd> troythetechguy: try a google search? :)
[13:40:25] <troythetechguy> dmnd: Thanks.  I found it and I'm now trying it again.
[13:40:54] <dmnd> you can't use telnet once you setup the smarthost to test, try it by sending a real mail
[13:41:08] <dmnd> over your mailserver
[13:42:29] <rhineheart_m> hello.. can anyone here tells me if my postfix -n is correct? http://www.pastebin.org/35040 Thanks..
[13:44:09] <RedShift> rhineheart_m: no
[13:44:19] <rhineheart_m> RedShift, what's wrong with it?
[13:44:26] <RedShift> I don't know
[13:44:41] <RedShift> it's like saying "hey is this dish nice?" without eating
[13:44:49] <rhineheart_m> okay.. I
[13:46:01] <rhineheart_m> I'm just asking actually since I still keep on getting errors in the logs telling me "relay=none, delay=0.01, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)"
[13:46:18] <rhineheart_m> *asking
[13:46:24] <RedShift> ah now you're getting somewhere :)
[13:50:18] <rhineheart_m> okay... so where's the dish now? mmmm :)
[13:51:05] <troythetechguy> IT WORKS!  THANK YOU.
[13:51:47] <RedShift> rhineheart_m: were at the "are you actually looking at what you're eating?" stage
[13:51:47] <rhineheart_m> are you not going to taste it, RedShift? I'm serving it to you already :)
[13:52:55] <RedShift> rhineheart_m: well the error message is pretty clear... ;-)
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[13:54:01] <Haris> Hello people
[13:54:20] <troythetechguy> I have a bunch of other e-mail sitting in /var/log/mail.info that keep getting timed out.  How can I delete these?
[13:54:34] <RedShift> troythetechguy: man postqueue, man postsuper
[13:54:37] <Haris> How do I configure postfix for store and also forward all received emails to another mail server? I'm migrating mail servers from one box to another. This is postfix + mysql setup
[13:55:01] <RedShift> Haris: search the postfix docs, searching for relay and relaying
[13:55:19] <Haris> So, untill the old mail server is up and dns hasn't been changed, I want all received emails to also go to the new mail server, so everything is in sync
[13:55:40] <Haris> I know, I just want a quick tweak. I know its only 1-3 variables I have to tap :p
[13:56:04] <RedShift> Haris: then it should be easy to find in the documentation too :)
[13:57:12] <Haris> ahaha!
[14:01:39] <rhineheart_m> RedShift, yeah.. pretty clear "User unknown in virtual alias table". But you know what? The user exists in the /etc/postfix/virtual ....
[14:02:02] <rhineheart_m> RedShift, do you have an idea what causes the problem?
[14:02:25] <RedShift> no
[14:02:31] <RedShift> maybe check if your map files are actually correct
[14:02:54] <RedShift> btw, virtual_alias_maps? those are supposed to have a domain appended IIRC
[14:04:45] <lennard> I don't think so... mine doesnt, and has been working for years :)
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[14:28:18] <turdzzz> when trying to talk to smtp to send a email I get this message: match_list_match: 192.168.1.1: no match
[14:28:23] <turdzzz> anyone have any ideas?
[14:28:23] <turdzzz> \
[14:39:31] <rob0> Idea 1.: verbose logging gets in the way more often than it helps. Idea 2: 192.168.1.1 isn't in the particular list that was being checked. Idea 3: for a useful answer, try a real question: describe the problem and desired result in real terms.
[14:39:57] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[14:39:58] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
[14:41:09] <rob0> lennard: Non-qualified addresses in virtual_alias_maps have @$myorigin added. To be sure they always work as intended, it's best to give a complete user@domain address.
[14:43:34] <lennard> oh
[14:43:37] <lennard> like that
[14:43:44] <lennard> I think mine do have that ;)
[14:47:55] <turdzzz> rob0: I''m trying to send a email either locally or outside my server, I don't know what list you're talking about, and here is a pastebin of what I'm getting from smtpd: http://pastebin.com/m5df90ffd this is the only problem, because I'm authenticating with imap fine
[14:51:24] <rob0> !basic
[14:51:25] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[14:53:49] <turdzzz> rob0: you are no help, why are you even here. lol. I got most of my config from that website
[15:00:45] <xpoint> !comal
[15:00:46] <knoba> xpoint: Error: "comal" is not a valid command.
[15:01:08] <xpoint> !pascal
[15:01:09] <knoba> xpoint: Error: "pascal" is not a valid command.
[15:01:23] <xpoint> dump bots :)
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[15:46:06] <troythetechguy> How do I find where the que is for postfix?
[15:47:47] <jduggan> postconf queue_directory
[15:48:14] <troythetechguy> thank you.
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[16:33:19] <xpoint> if he touches it :(
[16:40:21] <jduggan> shrug =]
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[17:10:33] <sipa1024> hello everyone
[17:11:56] <sipa1024> i have a postfix running, that sends mail to a relayhost. In the queue are a number of messages with a wrong sender address
[17:12:12] <sipa1024> anyone an idea if it is possible to change that address?
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[18:06:32] <chuckr> Got some emergency problems, and I figured (while recovering) to fix some longer-standing issues.  The domain seller I was using finally screwed up so badly I was literally forced to jump ship to another domain name
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[18:12:58] <chuckr> I can easily change postfix to know the new domain name, but the problem is, I have agreed to have a second domain anem for my machine, so i can offer web service and mail to a friend using his own domain name.  Is there any document in the postfix help files that tells me how to configure for two unrelated domain names, where the mail cannot be mixed?
[18:14:13] <chuckr> BTW, I lost chuckr.org, it went to telenix.org, and my friend's domain is (www).amalgucon.com
[18:16:26] <chuckr> I know all the dns stuff, and I figure I can force the usernames to be unique (no dupllicated names between telenix and amalgucon) but I want users in the amalgucon.com domain to have that for the outgoing address, and I need mail for both domains to be delivered locally.
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[18:22:13] <rob0> Expiration Date:26-Jul-2008 21:46:31 UTC
[18:22:42] <rob0> find a better registrar, transfer the name
[18:23:27] <rob0> !virtual
[18:23:27] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[18:23:47] <rob0> I would set up the additional domain[s] as virtual_alias_domains
[18:24:08] <rob0> redirecting to local(8) users' delivery
[18:24:26] <rob0> There is an example in !virtual
[18:25:08] <mwalling> !virtual
[18:25:09] <knoba> mwalling: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[18:25:16] <mwalling> oh, you already did that
[18:25:39] <rob0> in fact you might want to use a fictitious $mydestination and have all your real domains in virtual_alias_domains
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[18:26:59] <rob0> in virtual_alias_maps ... "realuser at example dot com     unixuser at your dot hostname"
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[18:44:00] <chuckr> sorry, I was gone trying to find out about ssl keys (another headache which I will not inflict upon you).  Getting hold of the old issuer is precisely the problem, if I was willing to be out of service for a week or two while then moved their butts, everything would be fine, but I cna't get them to transfer is they don't answer the tech phone, and rarely even read the mail
[18:44:59] <rob0> maybe your new registrar knows a way to help you with that
[18:45:03] <chuckr> I have paid a second issuer to allow me to use my own nameserver, that helps a bunch, but now I need to make the stated mods in my mail system
[18:45:59] <chuckr> my new issuer seems to have a software system that really (and instantly) works, are you saying they would willingly go after the old guys for me?  Seems unlikely
[18:46:26] <chuckr> The old guys have a lock on the name
[18:46:40] <chuckr> (this after they willingly took my money)
[18:47:08] <rob0> can't hurt to ask. It's the business they're in. They might know some tricks you don't.
[18:47:11] <chuckr> I am more than a little unhappy with OpenSRS
[18:48:04] <chuckr> regardless, I need some advice about how to handle postfix here, to handle both telenix.org and amalgucon.com (my user likes that name, I think it's horrid)
[18:48:23] <rob0> I do believe I have answered all of that, fully.
[18:49:13] <chuckr> I figure the incoming is pretty easy, merely  put both the domains in the mydestination list, but to have the right name on outgoing mail, that stumps me
[18:49:52] <rob0> The MUA sets the sender address.
[18:50:12] <chuckr> It looked to me that postfix was going to set that for me
[18:50:35] <chuckr> you're saying he merely needs to set his MUA up correctly?
[18:50:42] <chuckr> (and not use mine)
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[18:51:41] <chuckr> actually, the setups are per user, so he could use mine, sorry for that inciscretion, but it's done in the MUA?  I thought I'd read some stuff in the postfix docs that said that postfix would set the outgoing domain
[18:52:08] <chuckr> moment while I get the exact reference on that.
[18:52:41] <rob0> $myorigin is added if the MUA uses a non-qualified name. Why would anyone set up a MUA to do that?
[18:53:20] <rob0> When you set up thunderbird, for example, it ASKS you what your email address is.
[18:54:14] <rob0> If you're not talking about typical human email users, sure, things are different.
[18:55:06] <chuckr> oh, didn't realize that, it fixes the outgoing domain only if the mua has failed to do that, ok, I canlive with that.  One last answer, is there a variable somewhere in main.cf (I can't yet find it) that tells me where my certs are, and is it possible to edit a cert for a new domain name without reissuing it?
[18:55:38] <rob0> !tls
[18:55:38] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[18:55:45] <rob0> !tls_readme
[18:55:45] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[18:56:10] <rob0> I have no idea. Check the openssl documentation, such as it is.
[18:56:30] <chuckr> I am only using ssl, I have an ssl key somewhere, but I've lost the place for it, and I don't know if I can edit it, or must regenerate it
[18:56:33] <rob0> (about editing a cert)
[18:56:41] <chuckr> ok
[18:57:07] <chuckr> guess that's all the bothering of you I intend to do, I appreciate the answers
[18:57:21] <chuckr> 'preciate it
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[19:06:04] <chuckr> crap.  I can't use mail to contact the openssl folks, and the openssl docs are too voluminous to learn quickly.  Is it possible (feel free to turn me down, or course) to try to answer me one question regarding certs?
[19:06:44] <chuckr> The reason I can't use mail is until I get my certs fixed, mail doesn't work for me
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[19:25:14] <rob0> um, the TLS_README knows more than I do, I just followed the "quick start".
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[19:49:32] <chuckr> rob0, sorry for taking long to get back (I am reading from 6 desktops, lots of stuff) that TLS_README is right even if you're not using tls?
[19:50:41] <chuckr> I mean, I was under the impression that if you used tls, you needed your communicating partner to be using tls also.  If that's not true, I have been in error
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[19:56:44] <mwalling> TLS is negotated after connection, as opposed to normal SSL, with is negotated before connection
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[19:57:18] <mwalling> when the client sees STARTTLS, it should attempt to start a tls connection. if the client doesnt understand it, it is ignored and life goes on
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