[00:01:33] <xpoint> maw, smtpd_bind_address
[00:02:25] <maw> so if the MTA was only for local mail then 127.0.0.1 would be ok?
[00:02:30] <xpoint> ups :)
[00:02:35] <maw> thanks sir
[00:02:38] <xpoint> smtp_ not smtpd
[00:02:40] <maw> (assuming you're a man)
[00:03:07] <maw> ya I looked up the directive and noticed it was smtp_
[00:03:15] <maw> but you led me to the correct place, thanks
[00:03:21] <xpoint> inet_interfaces=lo
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[00:05:11] <xpoint> localhost no just lo
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[00:06:04] <xpoint> you have to stop and restart after change this in main.cg
[00:06:04] <maw> lol
[00:06:07] <maw> yar
[00:06:18] <maw> I am reading the sasl docs too right now
[00:06:27] <xpoint> stop and start not just restart :-)
[00:06:40] <maw> trying to force encryption from my local to another smtp relay
[00:06:49] <maw> smtpd_enforce_tls
[00:07:08] <maw> but, my certificate wasn't accepted... do I really need a cert?
[00:07:16] <maw> still reading docs, dont fully understand this yet
[00:07:33] <xpoint> do you really need tls localy ? :=
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[00:07:52] <maw> o
[00:08:03] <maw> well, the MTA will only be used by local users
[00:08:18] <maw> but, I want it to relay everything through another external MTA
[00:08:29] <xpoint> local users that is bound to 127.0.0.1 :-)
[00:08:32] <maw> so the communication from this server to the external mta needs to be encrypted
[00:08:42] <maw> ah ok, I used the wrong terminology then
[00:09:53] <xpoint> if set inet_interfaces=localhost none from outside can connect to the box
[00:10:15] <maw> ya I understand that
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[00:34:14] <cameronm_> are there any general rules of thumb regarding how many recipients a virtual_alias has?  (would ~30ish be an obscene amount?)
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[00:35:57] <`mac`> question. what sould here go? Root and postmaster mail recipient ?
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[01:00:19] <jjshoe> what's the easiest way to run a perl script when a certain address gets an email?
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[01:02:31] <jjshoe> i'm thinking filter, but would like to know if ther'es a better way
[01:02:40] <Trengo> a rule in .procmailrc
[01:03:55] <Trengo> when they receive an email or when the mailserver sees it?
[01:04:29] <Trengo> you can either alias the address to the address and a program, or create that procmail rule
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[01:05:31] <jjshoe> alias sounds much more like what I'm looking for
[01:05:40] <Trengo> oh sorry wrong channel
[01:09:33] <Trengo> i still did get my bounce processor to work...
[01:09:36] <Trengo> didnt
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[01:20:04] <mwalling> !debug
[01:20:05] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[01:31:55] <maw> certificate verification failed for smtpx14.msoutlookonline.net[207.5.72.151]:25: untrusted issuer /C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority
[01:31:59] <maw> May  1 16:13:06 host-p002 postfix/smtp[8348]: 1DF5D7864AB: to=<email at email dot com>, relay=smtpx14.msoutlookonline.net[207.5.72.151]:25, delay=2709, delays=2708/0.22/0.39/0, dsn=4.7.5, status=deferred (Server certificate not trusted)
[01:32:04] <maw> how can I fix this cert error?
[01:32:16] <maw> it appears my postfix box doesn't trust their cert
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[01:41:52] <jjshoe> if i've setup log: |"wall new mail" and /etc/postfix/aliases, ran newaliases, what else needs to be done for log to receive mail?
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[01:56:02] <dell_> hi
[01:56:14] <dell_> is anyone good withsmtp auth?
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[02:02:40] <scooby2> with sendmail you could tell an alias to deliver local and to the alias. Can you do this with postfix?
[02:15:56] <jjshoe> this is driving me bananas :\
[02:17:50] <jjshoe> [root@ip-208-109-187-77 postfix]# newaliases
[02:17:50] <jjshoe> [root@ip-208-109-187-77 postfix]# postalias -q log hash:aliases
[02:17:50] <jjshoe> postalias: warning: database aliases.db is older than source file aliases
[02:17:51] <jjshoe> :(
[02:21:33] <vice-versa> your aliases file is not where you think it is
[02:21:47] <vice-versa> postconf alias_database
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[02:25:10] <jjshoe> it is where I expect it is.
[02:25:13] <jjshoe> it's in that dir
[02:25:20] <jjshoe> worked fine updating the db when I did postalias aliases
[02:25:30] <jjshoe> very weird
[02:26:12] <jjshoe> it's still rejecting mail thouigh
[02:26:22] <jjshoe>  Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
[02:26:27] <jjshoe> what on earth does that mean?
[02:27:49] <jjshoe> do I have to add a virtual_alias entry for this? even though it doesn't exist?
[02:28:00] <jjshoe> and do I just alias it to a true domain? will the mail just not get delivered or?
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[02:53:36] <shanererer> Can anyone help me out with what is going on here? http://rafb.net/p/STwLhi98.html
[02:55:33] <quieteyes> oh poo
[02:55:41] <quieteyes> your Perl install is hosed, badly
[02:55:52] <quieteyes> did you do a 5.x->5.8 upgrade via CPAN?
[02:56:10] <quieteyes> or did you update with CPAN and have trouble with packages?
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[02:56:51] <quieteyes> amavis depends on a CPAN module that is crapping out spectacularly, and it tends to happen with slightly older versions that undergo the update to Perl 5.8
[02:57:07] <quieteyes> postfix is working fine, it's your scanner that's barfing on the carpet
[02:58:16] <quieteyes> the 2nd part of that error is that amavis can't figure out what to do with files that already exist....just par for the course
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[03:00:37] <quieteyes> suggestion: either look at reinstalling your perl, or go into CPAN and do an update
[03:00:43] <quieteyes> good luck
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[03:03:27] <shanererer> sorry was afk
[03:03:28] <shanererer> no
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[03:16:26] <shanererer> Signum, Are you around ? I have followed your mailserver tutorial using ubuntu everything works apart from the above problem which I think I have solved - could update your paper and include two versions covered. (Just a thought). By the way, nice job.
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[04:09:40] <abrocadabro> hi all, is there a way to silently drop all bounces?
[04:10:28] <Dominian> why?
[04:10:32] <kerneld> a header check..
[04:10:40] <kerneld> backscatter surge I am guessing
[04:11:04] <abrocadabro> a header check makes my system run extremely slow
[04:11:22] <kerneld> I would like to do what this guy did exim: http://lwn.net/Articles/277548/
[04:11:45] <kerneld> .. and only accept bounces from messages originating from my server.
[04:12:00] <abrocadabro> why: I have too many bounces which I don't really care about, and it is making my folder full of junk
[04:12:51] <kerneld> if a header check is going to kill your sys. not much elese you can do will be any better.
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[04:14:24] <abrocadabro> I had about 10 different matches in that header check, plus in the documentation it says header check has a limitation of slowing down system which increases the number of connections from clients due to timeout caused by high CPU load
[04:15:27] <abrocadabro> the doc suggested external content filter, and I google for a long time and came across spam filters but I really don't think they are quite the same
[04:17:57] <kerneld> I am currently using amavis
[04:19:22] <kerneld> There was an RBL backscatters.org which you could use to weight your spam analysis (Not safe to use it as a sole source of reject reason).. but it is down at the moment.
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[04:21:00] <kerneld> I may just do a quick header check for empty Return-Path
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[04:22:14] <kerneld> Now will that kill some legitimate email? (Are there any known broken servers that don't put a return path)
[04:24:45] <kerneld> david@sprocket:~/Maildir/cur$ grep -L Return-Path *
[04:24:45] <kerneld> david@sprocket:~/Maildir/cur$
[04:24:47] <kerneld> sweet
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[04:49:13] <kerneld> feck my mail server is loging a lot of recect.. perhaps I should change them to discards so I am not a part of the problem
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[05:00:41] <Andre66> whenever I send emails to other people, it goes to their junk mail, how can I stop that from happenin?
[05:00:58] <Dominian> stop scanning for spam?
[05:01:13] <Andre66> I dont have control over their spam filter
[05:01:20] <Dominian> I mean that's a broad question.. what's the setup.. what errors do you get.. what type of scanning are you doing.. what other checks do you have in place?
[05:01:33] <Andre66> its not on my mail serer
[05:01:36] <Dominian> and where's this "junk mail" ?
[05:01:45] <Andre66> their junk mail, whatever that is
[05:01:46] <Dominian> Please don't tell me this is Outlook
[05:02:01] <Andre66> verizon.net, and exchange I believe
[05:02:12] <Dominian> oye
[05:02:18] <Dominian> How does this have to do with postfix?
[05:02:23] * Dominian is really confused
[05:02:44] <Dominian> If its junk mail in outlook.. postfix has nothing to do with that.. Outlook does that itself.. shut off the junk mail filtering addons in outlook
[05:02:57] <Andre66> again, I dont have control over other people's mail filters
[05:03:09] <Andre66> its related to postfix because its the SMTP
[05:03:15] <Dominian> what?
[05:03:21] <Dominian> Ok explain in detail what exactly is happening.
[05:03:29] <Dominian> SMTP protocol has nothing to do with "junk mail"
[05:03:41] <Andre66> maybe its best if I wait a little bit and ask again
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[05:07:02] <Dominian> No.. just word your question properly
[05:07:20] <Dominian> < Andre66> whenever I send emails to other people, it goes to their junk mail, how can I stop that from happenin?
[05:07:23] <Dominian> this tells us nothing
[05:11:36] <kerneld> easy now
[05:11:52] <kerneld> there are things that we can tell him to check
[05:11:53] <Dominian> kerneld: Oh.. you haven't seen me uneasy yet
[05:12:00] <Dominian> kerneld: I'm not going to guess.
[05:12:12] <kerneld> A - his server has a canonincal host name
[05:12:21] <Dominian> kerneld: Dude.. he said it was Exchange
[05:12:27] <Dominian> how the hell does that apply to postfix?
[05:12:28] <kerneld> B - his IP isn't in blacklists
[05:12:30] <Dominian> oh wait.. yah.. it doesn't
[05:12:34] <kerneld> it doesnt
[05:12:54] <Dominian> wait a minute..
[05:12:58] <Dominian> I remember you Andre66
[05:13:06] <Dominian> aren't you the 'professional consultant'
[05:13:30] <Dominian> YES. I remember now.
[05:13:41] <Dominian> You come in here with an issue you tell your clients you can solve, but come here.. we solve it.. yu get paid.
[05:13:45] <Dominian> haha.. bye
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[05:16:38] <higuita> Andre66: ask the other side what filters they have, but i bet the problem is really in outlook... ask MS to fix its clients
[05:17:04] <higuita> as a workaround, promote people to stop using outlook (or at least disable their broken spam filter)
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[05:56:36] <`mac`> could someone please tell me what this means
[05:56:37] <`mac`> http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=13
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[07:16:13] <DDr> hi everyone
[07:16:46] <DDr> What do I need to configure, in order to have mail NOT deliver by localhost.localdomain <- which is being rejected
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[07:19:16] <DDr> anyone around?
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[07:21:05] <kerneld> DDr: err...
[07:21:56] <DDr> :)
[07:22:15] <DDr> kerneld, I did everything dude... setup hosts and hostname and all
[07:22:52] <kerneld> maybe your problem is with your mail client generating the message
[07:22:53] <DDr> read man, googled etc...
[07:23:00] <kerneld> are you using php's sendmail ?
[07:23:07] <DDr> kerneld, no, it's php
[07:23:28] <DDr> how can I test what's the problem?
[07:23:29] <kerneld> do ytou speficy a sender?
[07:23:34] <DDr> yes
[07:23:42] <DDr> can I show you logs or rejected mail?
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[07:23:56] <kerneld> send an email to your webmail that works and look at the full headers
[07:24:13] <kerneld> its late for me
[07:24:22] <DDr> gmail receives it
[07:24:30] <DDr> I looked at headers in thunderbird
[07:24:37] <kerneld> I think that lets you see full headers
[07:25:05] <kerneld> Rhat does the Recieved: line say from where gmail recieves it from your server?
[07:25:30] <DDr> there's 4 received lines, which one?
[07:25:37] <kerneld> all of them I guess
[07:25:40] <DDr> by 10.82.171.14 with SMTP id t14cs138841bue;        Thu, 1 May 2008 21:57:16 -0700 (PDT)
[07:25:49] <DDr> by 10.114.103.1 with SMTP id a1mr2599589wac.190.1209704232155;        Thu, 01 May 2008 21:57:12 -0700 (PDT)
[07:26:02] <DDr> from host.find-guild.com (find-guild.com [209.40.204.69])        by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d20si4386399waa.37.2008.05.01.21.57.08;        Thu, 01 May 2008 21:57:12 -0700 (PDT)
[07:26:12] <DDr> from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])	by host.find-guild.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC92CB0A11	for <spilo101 at gmail dot com>; Fri,  2 May 2008 04:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
[07:26:26] <DDr> message-ID: <f53b4889ce5a1e944c7d44f1a3f63f88 at localhost dot localdomain>
[07:27:41] <kerneld> from host.find-guild.com (find-guild.com [209.40.204.69])
[07:27:46] <kerneld> that is good
[07:27:54] <kerneld> What does From: say?
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[07:28:20] <DDr> Find-Guild noreply at find-guild dot com
[07:28:21] <kerneld> and Return-Path
[07:28:37] <DDr> <noreply at find-guild dot com>
[07:29:24] <kerneld> That looks OK. Not sure if Find-Guild noreply at find-guild dot com  is a legal email address format
[07:29:35] <kerneld> should just be noreply at find-guild dot com
[07:29:50] <DDr> Find-Guild <noreply at find-guild dot com>   is what it sais
[07:29:51] <kerneld> or maybe Find-Guild <noreply at find-guild dot com>
[07:29:56] <DDr> yep
[07:30:20] <kerneld> have it send me an email
[07:30:36] <DDr> pm me your email
[07:31:31] <DDr> sent
[07:32:59] <DDr> anything?
[07:33:26] <kerneld> didn;t get it
[07:34:02] <DDr> do u think message id has somehting to do with it?
[07:34:14] <kerneld> May  2 00:31:19 sprocket postfix/smtpd[16585]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from find-guild.com[209.40.204.69]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [209.40.204.69] blocked using sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org; http://
[07:34:35] <kerneld> could be your problem
[07:34:44] <DDr> what does that mean?
[07:34:51] <DDr> Service unavailable?
[07:35:23] <kerneld> http://
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[07:35:56] <DDr> kerneld, sorry I dont get it... what is the problem?
[07:35:58] <kerneld> www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=209.40.204.69;
[07:35:58] <kerneld> from=<noreply at find-guild dot com> to=<david at stanaway dot net> proto=ESMTP helo=<host.find-guild.com>
[07:35:58] <kerneld> helo is correct, from is correct, but being blacklist is kind of toxic
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[07:37:20] <kerneld> DDr: Your mailserver got blacklisted because it WAS misconffigured, now it is not misconfigured, but it is still blacklisted.
[07:37:20] <DDr> so the ip is blacklisted?
[07:37:25] <kerneld> Yep
[07:37:30] <DDr> shlt
[07:37:33] <kerneld> http://cbl.abuseat.org/namingproblems.html
[07:37:38] <DDr> it was fine earlier today
[07:38:08] <kerneld> you can request it be delisted
[07:38:09] <f3ew> DDr just remove yourself
[07:38:19] <bottiger> I just got a "Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Administrative prohibition" error. is there a good way to see if it's my smtp-server og the server I was sending to?
[07:38:24] <DDr> ok
[07:38:34] <DDr> kerneld, thank you very much mate
[07:38:35] <kerneld> DDr: see what I mean by reading docs BEFORE trying to implement something? :P Now you are blacklisted :P
[07:38:58] <f3ew> bottiger see your logs
[07:39:19] <f3ew> you can send a mail to helocheck at cbl dot abuseat.org to see yur HELO
[07:40:37] <DDr> kerneld, are you sure everything else is fine now? I dont want to be relisted...
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[07:41:59] <bottiger> f3ew: could you take a look at this (the bottom) http://pastebin.ca/1004642 . also, I can send to other mail-servers
[07:42:26] <kerneld> Well, from what I saw in the log, anything else that might cause probs wouldn't be because of postfix config
[07:43:11] <f3ew> host kalium.kiku.dk[130.225.100.59] said: 550 Administrative prohibition
[07:43:21] <f3ew> kalium.kiku.dk rejected the message
[07:44:01] <bottiger> okey, so my server has done anything "correct". kalium.kiku.dk just doesn't want it?
[07:44:52] <DDr> kerneld, thank you very much. I will try see if it works once they delist me
[07:45:01] <kerneld> coo. Good luck
[07:45:08] <DDr> good night(almost fricking morning) everyone :P
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[07:46:12] <`mac`> trying to find out what this means
[07:46:12] <`mac`> http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=13
[07:47:14] <bottiger> oh yeah, and btw. is there a good way to get an overview of the mail-queue ?
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[07:48:28] <maw> any idea how to fix this issue? "(Server certificate not trusted)"
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[07:48:39] <maw> I am trying to force TLS to a relay
[07:48:40] <Tux_Br> Can anyone recommend a decent server SMTP for locate?
[07:49:17] <kerneld> `mac': http://www.google.com/search?q=%22statistics%3A+max+connection+rate%22&btnI=yes
[07:49:40] <`mac`> kerneld: let me see.. tx dude for caring
[07:50:02] <kerneld> FYI: that is a google I feel lucky search
[07:50:19] <kerneld> it shows the first hit for "statistics: max connection rate"
[07:50:38] <kerneld> it would have taken you less time to find that page than it would to scratch your ass
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[07:51:01] <`mac`> whats up with that ip
[07:52:18] <`mac`>  (smtp:69.6.37.77)
[07:52:23] <`mac`> whois ip is that?
[07:52:53] <kerneld> find it yourself. Not dificult
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[07:55:22] <kerneld> the answer to why you see that is in the page I sent you to.
[07:55:25] <kerneld> Postfix waits one second before each error such as HELO command not provided or FQDN hostname does not exists etc After 10 such errors postfix will start to increase delay. If error limits touches 20 Postfix will disconnect client.
[07:56:09] <kerneld> it is having 1 herror and causing a 1 second delay for the processing of email from that client
[07:56:28] <kerneld> kind of futile. spammers have learnet to send 'comliant' email
[07:59:04] <`mac`> find it myself, you most not understand what i m talking about
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[07:59:15] <`mac`> i m not telling you go find the ip i post
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[07:59:53] <`mac`> did i say that no, basicly what i was sayin is is that comes from updating some of the programs
[08:00:43] <kerneld> mac: host 69.6.37.77 = not PTR record found. Not good for a mail server and once of the 'errors' the rate limiting look for and logs (Why you see message in log).
[08:01:10] <kerneld> whois 69.6.37.77  - tells you who owns the IP block.
[08:01:23] <kerneld> I have no idea what else you want to now?
[08:01:40] <kerneld> if you read that page, you could have figured that out
[08:03:42] <`mac`> thank you..
[08:03:59] <`mac`> also if i may, got this inputs in zone not clear if its right,
[08:04:10] <`mac`> why does it have does other ips in their i didnt net set does
[08:05:15] <`mac`> http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=14
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[08:06:27] <kerneld> ?
[08:06:42] <kerneld> whats that got to do with postfix?
[08:06:55] <kerneld> looks like your root servers
[08:08:02] <`mac`> i see.. not clear what i sould do what that.. i now wrong place to ask the question..
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[08:09:46] <kerneld> Perhaps you should ask the adminstrators of the rootservers whay they have those IPs. It is not something you configure except through root hints in your DNS, but in the dig output, you queried ns records from the a root server
[08:10:23] <`mac`> its my server
[08:10:47] <`mac`> wasnt clear why does ips were there so i m like let me ask kerneld see what he says..
[08:11:07] <kerneld> mac: that is your root hints
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[08:11:43] <kerneld> it is the bootstrap for your bind - so it can find the TLD nameservers
[08:11:48] <`mac`> i removed everything from their..
[08:12:10] <kerneld> good luck resolving anything then unless you have a forwarder
[08:12:50] <`mac`> godaddy is the dns server i m runing postfix on my server..
[08:13:12] <kerneld> Well what is in your resolv.conf?
[08:13:42] <kerneld> Your server needs to be able resolve DNS. is resolv.conf pointed to 127.0.0.1 by chance?
[08:14:35] <`mac`> ya got my hostname and gateway ip
[08:15:14] <`mac`> i sould add a another line in their nameserver 127.0.0.1?
[08:15:34] <kerneld> nameserver - is that set to an IP address that belongs to your server, or an IP address from your ISP?
[08:16:37] <kerneld> if it doesn't point to a local IP address, then you are not locally using bind, and if you are using godady's DNS server, you should probably uninstall bind completely
[08:16:49] <`mac`> i see.. it only has the gateway ip.. does yours have the gateway ip as well or just  domainname and gateway ip?
[08:17:18] <`mac`> understood,
[08:17:23] <kerneld> mine has 127.0.0.1 because I administer my own DNS and have bind configured to my satisfaction
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[08:17:49] <`mac`> bind is very complex i m not understanding very well on that topic
[08:18:14] <kerneld> if yours is set tyou your ISPs local nameservers, then you are not using your local DNS server for name resolution and its configuration is irrelevant
[08:18:26] <`mac`> i got 170 ips,
[08:19:44] <kerneld> grr... I hate IRC
[08:19:59] <`mac`> why is that,
[08:20:09] <kerneld> nobody ever answers my questions and I end up wasting time and not gettinng the stuff I want to do done.
[08:20:34] <`mac`> whats the issue, not sure how i can be help to you
[08:21:01] <`mac`> its your time zone, right now its dead but if you come in the lets say its 11:20 next day about in the monring ppl talking
[08:21:07] <kerneld> my issue is lack of sleep
[08:21:10] <kerneld> nite
[08:21:17] <`mac`> tx dude,
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[08:36:01] <f3ew> heh@ kerneld
[08:36:10] <f3ew> Coffee, or alcohol
[08:36:17] <f3ew> depending on $timeofday
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[11:21:25] <kaktuspalme> when i send an email to a new account mail.log says: no permission to create maildir, any idea, user and group are vmail
[11:24:34] <kaktuspalme> ok i found the error sorry
[11:24:35] <sep> check if vmail have rights to create the maildir
[11:24:59] <kaktuspalme> the problem was in the database i've set uid 1000 but this isnt vmail
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[11:54:23] <serverman> need help with header_checks
[11:59:55] <serverman> is anoyone here :(
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[12:07:46] <serverman> I need
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[12:08:08] <serverman> From: sample at e-mail dot com /REJECT
[12:08:12] <serverman> I need right syntax
[12:11:27] <serverman> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:11:28] <knoba> serverman: Error: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is not a valid command.
[12:14:31] <serverman> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
[12:14:34] <serverman> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[12:14:37] <serverman> auaaaaaaaa
[12:14:40] <_ruben> thats a great way of getting ignored
[12:14:40] <serverman> iaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:14:42] <serverman> oaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:14:45] <serverman> no no :D
[12:14:50] <serverman> can u help me?
[12:14:54] <_ruben> no
[12:14:58] <serverman> why?
[12:15:06] <serverman> don't you know header_checks???
[12:15:14] <_ruben> 1: your behaviour .. 2: dont know the answer
[12:16:01] <serverman> listen
[12:16:18] <serverman> if you know
[12:16:22] <serverman> just tell me
[12:16:34] <_ruben> i just told you that i dont know
[12:16:39] <serverman> ok
[12:16:42] <serverman> ===================
[12:17:18] <xpoint> /ignore serverman
[12:17:50] <serverman> can u help me?
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[12:19:25] <sep> serverman, you must realize that your behavior makes nobody want to help you. you should try to act in a more civilized and grown up way.  :: by the way if you google for  the words    header_checks postfix   you find on the first hit a document describing how  to use it, and the syntax for the file
[12:19:54] <serverman> <sep> I'm sorry for my behavior
[12:20:08] <serverman> <sep> I caouldn't find anuthin :(
[12:20:20] <serverman> <sep> I need just correct syntax
[12:24:22] <shasta> serverman, man 5 access
[12:24:48] <shasta> and man 5 header_checks
[12:25:28] <shasta> you're probably more interested in the latter
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[12:38:31] <serverman> :(
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[12:49:11] <azaghal> Let's say I have a transport_maps defined to deliver to some program via a pipe. If I get it right, I can verify the address existance by using address_verify_transport_maps, so the mail gets passed to the transport after the address gets verified in this way?
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[13:38:28] <thojo> xpoint: you advised me yesterday about using sender_login_maps to prevent untrusted clients from sending mail as they were from $mydestination without being in my $mynetworks file. But that requires SASL, which is not possible as i'm using postfix as a gateway to another mailserver. Do you know of any other way to do it (without sasl)?
[13:39:42] <xpoint> users still need to auth
[13:40:23] <xpoint> if users have there pop3 / imap on other host can be solved by using saslaurhd with rimap
[13:41:15] <xpoint> if that is not possible you have to accept users can be forged
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[13:42:11] <thojo> hmm okay.. I just thought there was something "easier".. but thanks..
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[13:42:41] <xpoint> postfix can only auth with sasl, there is no other option
[13:45:17] <thojo> I hoped for a smtpd_*_rrstriction option.. :)
[13:45:50] <xpoint> with does not exists for  the same reason
[13:46:12] <thojo> okay
[13:46:17] <xpoint> no auth, no access
[13:47:09] <xpoint> i know postfix is flexible, but that does not help to what you wanted
[13:48:52] <thojo> the next mailserver is some exchange 2003 or 2007.. so it might be possible to auth users somehow.. with imap or ldap..
[13:49:20] <alex12> serverman was 12?
[13:49:29] <xpoint> yes with saslauthd and rimap to exchange
[13:50:00] <thojo> cool... i'll take a look..
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[13:51:14] <xpoint> alex12, serverman is just another wannabee, easy money and all that
[13:53:23] <alex12> ah yeah,
[13:53:30] <alex12> i could figure that one out quickyl
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[13:54:19] <xpoint> thojo, when saslauthd is configured with rimap one can test with "testsaslauthd -u exchangeuser -p exchangepassword -r exchangedomain" :-)
[14:00:53] <azaghal> So... Anyone knows how transport_maps and verification of recipients should work?
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[14:04:38] <kaktuspalme> hmm, strange, courier-imap creates all folders in INBOX ex: INBOX.Trash, why?
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[14:07:05] <f3ew> kaktuspalme, that's the way it behaves
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[14:31:33] <kaktuspalme> f3ew, do you know how i can change this?
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[14:33:16] <kcox> what does that error log mean ? : http://rafb.net/p/Ac7Ngi38.html
[14:34:27] <kcox> i couldnt get an email from vb, wordpress scripts.
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[14:39:07] <f3ew> kaktuspalme, you can't
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[14:41:33] <simmer1> hi. I've got a postfix/mysql/cyrus setup working fine, except one thing. I can't use user+tag at domain dot tld - the user gets rejected. any ideas how to resolve this?
[14:42:07] <kaktuspalme> f3ew, ok, not a huge problem, it seems that thunderbird is not a good imap client
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[14:43:09] <f3ew> kaktuspalme, there are no good imap clients
[14:43:29] <simmer1> i find thunderbird good, as far as they go.
[14:43:42] <kaktuspalme> f3ew, hmm, kmail is not bad
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[14:46:32] <simmer1> any ideas as to the user+tag issue?
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[14:49:00] <f3ew> simmer1, AFAIK, it's in the Cyrus IMAP docs
[14:49:12] <simmer1> ok
[14:49:35] <f3ew> I haven't done Cyrus for too long
[14:50:43] <simmer1> i'm slowly switching to a postfix + archiveopteryx setup for my mail servers
[14:51:54] <Trengo> archiveopteryx?
[14:51:57] <Trengo> what is that?
[14:52:21] <simmer1> http://www.archiveopteryx.org/
[14:52:21] <f3ew> MTA with a DB backend
[14:52:33] <simmer1> uses postgres for the backend
[14:52:57] <f3ew> One of the devs was online in the morning
[14:52:59] <simmer1> I like the developers' take on things, and their promptness at responding to issues
[14:53:02] <f3ew> ~ 9h ago
[14:53:13] <simmer1> crab frequents #postgresql
[14:53:20] <f3ew> yup
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[14:53:40] <simmer1> Arnt doesn't use irc, or at least I've never seen him online
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[14:55:31] <simmer1> hmm, I can't seem to find anything about tags in email addresses in the cyrus docs
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[15:01:02] <simmer1> is it VERP I want to configure?
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[15:02:08] <simmer1> hmm, that looks like it's the FROM address that it deals with, not the RCPT TO
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[15:04:54] <simmer1> sorted: recipient_delimiter = +
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[15:15:03] <f3ew> ah
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[15:29:01] <simmer1> based on that delimiter, I can use sieve to reject the message if i find out that it's being used for spam purposes, right?
[15:29:14] <simmer1> or should i be doing that at postfix level?
[15:33:09] <hparker> Don't accept and then bounce
[15:34:49] <oa> help me pls how to filter the attached file example a .exe ,,, but not look for extension name,,,, just for header signature of the file being attach...
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[15:44:15] <Egonis> I have postfixadmin installed, and have a vacation responder setup through squirrelmail, etc. When I send a message to an account with it enabled, I get 'unknown user: user#domain.tld at domain dot tld' -- how do I fix this?
[15:45:00] <checkers> I'm using the spamhaus zen RBL in postfix, but I'd like to ignore RBL checks if the user does SMTP-AUTH. is this possible?
[15:45:07] <oa> help me pls how to filter the attached file example a .exe ,,, but not look for extension name,,,, just for header signature of the file being attach...
[15:45:34] <checkers> oa: I'd suggest mailscanner
[15:45:41] <Egonis> oa: I personally use amavis for filtering techniques, that would probably be a safe bet
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[15:46:41] <oa> ah ok guys... so how can i embed it to postfix,,, im new to linux
[15:47:15] <simmer1> hparker: so use amavis to do that lot then
[15:48:06] <AcridSaint> I hope this isn't a silly question - is there some way for me to "filter" always_bcc?
[15:49:21] <hparker> checkers: Have them use submission and don't filter it
[15:49:26] <checkers> to answer my own question, permit_sasl_authenticated in smtpd_client_restrictions
[15:49:35] <hparker> And that
[15:49:41] <checkers> ;)
[15:49:45] <checkers> thanks anyway
[15:50:42] <bottiger> I see this mails in my mail.log: http://pastebin.ca/1004982 any idea why they doesn't get delivered?
[15:50:57] <hparker> simmer1: I'd reject at SMTP or just let spamassassin learn it as spam
[15:51:29] <checkers> bottiger: the remote server is reecting the mails
[15:51:31] <simmer1> grrr @ my nick. keeps getting ghosted
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[15:51:54] <bottiger> checkers: why would it do that? (the e-mail exists)
[15:52:06] <checkers> bottiger: there's no way to tell why apart from asking the admin
[15:52:27] <checkers> I'm guessing some sort of spam filtering if that's the case
[15:52:38] <simmerz> hparker: ok
[15:52:43] <bottiger> checkers: okey, is there a way to shorten the timeout? I've been looking at these mails for almost 2 days now :)
[15:53:35] <checkers> do you have soft_bounce on by any chance?
[15:54:00] <bottiger> I don't think so, it's not in my main.cf
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[15:54:29] <simmerz> hparker: best then just to use an access hash and check_recipient_access ?
[15:54:31] <checkers> then yes it's possible, but generally not really worth it unless you have a busy mail server
[15:54:45] <checkers> I forget the exact command for it
[15:55:00] <hparker> simmerz: That would work
[15:56:00] <simmerz> hparker: could make spamassassin learn as spam, but that means extra overhead for no reason when i already know that the mail address is being used for spam, and I know who sold the details on based on the subaddress part
[15:56:15] <Egonis> I have a domain autoreply.domain.tld for vacation responders -- I am getting the message 'autoreply.domain.tld loops back to myself' -- what is a quick and easy way to fix this?
[15:56:23] <hparker> simmerz: Right
[15:56:39] <simmerz> hparker: thanks for the pointers :)
[15:59:07] <webtech_m33> as anyone playied with debain and ubuntu?  i am working on a new mail server, and i want to use postfix for the mta
[15:59:20] <webtech_m33> not sure to work it up on ubuntu or debian
[15:59:42] * hparker would use gentoo
[16:00:00] <checkers> ubuntu uses exim by default doesn't it?
[16:00:23] * checkers uses centos, but is equally happy in debian
[16:00:49] <webtech_m33> yeah, same with debian for default
[16:01:01] <webtech_m33> but apt-get install postfix removes exim
[16:02:05] <webtech_m33> for both debian and ubuntu
[16:02:45] <webtech_m33> i am looking at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
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[16:07:29] <checkers> I implemented that on centos actually
[16:07:39] <checkers> almost identical, just the paths change occasionally
[16:07:57] <webtech_m33> does it work well?
[16:08:23] <checkers> mysql is absolute overkill unless you plan to update your data more than once daily imho
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[16:08:49] <checkers> but using hash: instead is easy, there's no difficulty in working out what to change in the instructions
[16:09:03] <webtech_m33> k
[16:09:06] <webtech_m33> well that helps
[16:09:11] <checkers> and I use mailscanner instead of amavis, because I prefer how it works. that just involves ignoring the amavis section
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[16:09:33] <webtech_m33> are you using postfix 2.3 or 2.5?
[16:10:05] <webtech_m33> i am two spamfiters with mailscanner and postfix as a relay box
[16:10:06] <checkers> 2:2.3.3-2
[16:10:25] <checkers> that's the centosplus build
[16:10:31] <webtech_m33> so i like mailscanner
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[16:11:18] <webtech_m33> debian etch is postfix (2.3.8-2)
[16:11:31] <checkers> we have two postfix+mailscanner boxes, and one secondary MX that' just a relayhost
[16:11:34] <webtech_m33> ubuntu hardy is postfix (2.5.1-2ubuntu1)
[16:11:53] * checkers wonders what is added in newer versions
[16:12:10] <checkers> http://www.postfix.org/features.html only lists 'stress dependant configuration'
[16:12:59] <webtech_m33> i like that
[16:13:11] <webtech_m33> i hate bots
[16:13:23] <webtech_m33> spam bots that is
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[16:14:09] <checkers> that feature I mentioned is for improving postfix behavior in extreme conditions it seems
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[16:32:44] <AcridSaint> I'd like to copy all messages sent from my postfix box to a second account, but I want to exclude messages for root.  Does anyone know how I can pull that off?
[16:33:15] <AcridSaint> all except root I guess would be more appropriate
[16:33:27] <checkers> delivered mail, or that which is still in the spool?
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[16:39:53] <AcridSaint> delivered mail only
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[16:40:15] <AcridSaint> well, actually I don't care if queued mail goes too
[16:40:19] <AcridSaint> just don't want system mail going
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[16:46:00] <checkers> not really
[16:46:10] <rhineheart_m> hello.. anyidea why in my virtual server if I will create user I could only log in using squirrelmail with "username.admins"..why not "username" only?
[16:46:15] <checkers> you can move each mail store by hand, but once it's delivered, it can go anywhere
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[16:48:27] <AcridSaint> all I'm saying is, I want each mail that gets relayed from my box to get copied to another address.  I don't care where they original goes actually.
[16:48:45] <AcridSaint> It's for a client, but I don't want to send him system messages as well.
[16:48:49] <checkers> iirc you want to use relaydomains
[16:48:54] <rhineheart_m> AcridSaint, what OS are you running?
[16:49:10] <AcridSaint> so always_bcc looks good to me, other than that
[16:49:11] <AcridSaint> SLES9
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[16:53:54] <rhineheart_m> okay... :) sorry got no idea. I'm running debian
[16:54:20] <AcridSaint> `_'
[16:54:29] <AcridSaint> do you know a way to do it in debian?
[16:55:27] <rhineheart_m> mmm... I'm running virtualmin and it works like a charm.. :) the functions you want is there.. in a box :)
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[17:01:13] <oa> guys what is best for postfix e-mail scanner amavis or clamav
[17:02:25] <mwalling> thats comparing apples to oranges
[17:03:14] <oa> so what is most reccomended
[17:03:32] <rhineheart_m> ows.. apples and oranges again.. :)
[17:04:28] <webtech_m33> i use mailscanner
[17:04:44] <webtech_m33> which uses clamav and spamassassin and others
[17:05:00] <webtech_m33> amavis uses clamav
[17:05:27] <webtech_m33> but postfix needs amavis or mailscanner or an other program so use clamav
[17:05:43] <oa> ok thanks for the info but... pls refer me for the .rpm of mailscanner
[17:06:08] <webtech_m33> sorry .. i know of the debian/ubuntu .deb files
[17:06:15] <webtech_m33> mailscanner
[17:06:55] <webtech_m33> http://packages.debian.org/etch/mailscanner
[17:06:58] <oa> sorry im asking for the installer or .rpm file
[17:07:10] <oa> for CentOS
[17:07:15] <rhineheart_m> webtech_m33, do you have an idea if how to determine what mail scanner I have in my system?]
[17:08:01] <webtech_m33> what os?
[17:08:27] <webtech_m33> debian/ubunut dpgk -l | grep mailscanner
[17:08:44] <webtech_m33> redhat/centos not sure
[17:10:44] <oa> i cant find the mailscanner for centos for now
[17:11:55] <webtech_m33> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
[17:12:08] <webtech_m33> this shows you how to install amavis
[17:12:13] <webtech_m33> on a debain box
[17:13:00] <webtech_m33> http://www.mailscanner.info/
[17:13:22] <webtech_m33> download
[17:13:29] <webtech_m33> it's on there
[17:14:22] <webtech_m33> http://www.linux-mail.info/mail-server-setup-centos-5/
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[17:14:32] <webtech_m33> here is a how to centos and mailscanner
[17:14:41] <rhineheart_m> webtech_m33, I am using debian..I am running clamav already.. is it okay to install mailscanner too?
[17:15:03] <oa> many thanks guys
[17:16:08] <webtech_m33> rhineheart_m: you running clamav as a demon? or just the package
[17:16:28] <webtech_m33> i used piratefish.org to setup my filter servers
[17:16:40] <webtech_m33> then started learning from there
[17:16:44] <rhineheart_m> webtech_m33, I just don't know which of the two.. when I run apt-get clamav it tells me it's already the latest one
[17:16:56] <oa> anyway.... it is possible to have 2 server one is in local and the other one is connected to interne... and the local is the main server?
[17:17:24] <webtech_m33> oa: yes.. the internet one is a relay server to the local one
[17:17:58] <webtech_m33> rhineheart_m: that should be the local
[17:18:17] <webtech_m33> that's what i did
[17:18:18] <rhineheart_m> uhuh.. so what are you suggesting me to do then?
[17:18:27] <webtech_m33> clamav with mail scanner
[17:19:33] <oa> <webtech_m33> could you give me and idea how to setup...
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[17:19:51] <_sho_> whats postfix's equivalent to sendmails -f?
[17:19:53] <_sho_> does it have one?
[17:20:13] <rhineheart_m> webtech_m33, so.. what's the next move? mmm
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[17:21:12] <rudebwoy> hi
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[17:22:30] <rudebwoy> i need to delete all mail with a specific subject from all queues.  is there some script for that?
[17:23:37] <rudebwoy> somebody must have done this already
[17:23:43] <rudebwoy> damn
[17:23:53] <rudebwoy> postcat on 100000 files?
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[17:27:21] <webtech_m33> oa and rhineheart_m, check out http://www.piratefish.org
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[17:27:53] <webtech_m33> it will give you the examples on an ubuntu box how to setup mailscanner and the relay
[17:28:07] <webtech_m33> oa : you are goint to need transport maps
[17:28:28] <webtech_m33> that will relay incoming mail for a domain to the local private server
[17:28:31] <oa> ok
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[17:31:00] <oa> ...another one is the local server could sent e-mail to outside (ex. in yahoo mail) locally... not connected to internet but have link connection to server has internet connection
[17:32:48] <webtech_m33> the local server would be setup as a smarthost
[17:33:06] <webtech_m33> all mail it gets it send to the public server or an smtp provider you have
[17:33:51] <rudebwoy> my friends: /var/spool/postfix# find . -type f -exec sh -c 'postcat '{}'|grep -q "boehzes subject" && echo '{}'' \;
[17:34:04] <rudebwoy> i hate emails
[17:34:11] <rudebwoy> and mailservers
[17:37:01] <rudebwoy> disable some more noise: /var/spool/postfix# find . -type f -exec sh -c 'postcat '{}' 2>/dev/null |grep -q "Tene" && echo '{}'' \; 2>/dev/null
[17:37:09] <webtech_m33> i hate spam messates
[17:42:25] <rudebwoy> final bullshit version: /var/spool/postfix# find . -type f -exec sh -c 'postcat '{}' 2>/dev/null |grep -q "Tene" && echo '{}'' \; 2>/dev/null|cut -d/ -f4|postsuper -d -
[17:43:24] <rudebwoy> you of course should refine this grep a lot more....
[17:43:37] <rudebwoy> :)))
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[18:10:18] <ZeR0^> hi
[18:10:31] <growltiger_> hi!
[18:10:32] <growltiger_> wb
[18:12:31] <ZeR0^> i've a problem with postfix since my last reboot (to upgrading openbsd), my postconf is http://cagole.toile-libre.org/postconf.txt and the logs which concern the problem is :
[18:13:09] <ZeR0^> May  2 18:10:34 cagole postfix/smtpd[28670]: connect from smtp8-g19.free.fr[212.27.42.65]
[18:13:12] <ZeR0^> May  2 18:10:34 cagole postfix/master[17500]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 10048 killed by signal 12
[18:13:15] <ZeR0^> May  2 18:10:34 cagole postfix/master[17500]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
[18:13:55] <ZeR0^> before the reboot it's worked perfectly
[18:14:01] <hparker> !tell ZeR0^ pastebin
[18:14:41] <hparker> That said, that's usually a problem in the configs
[18:15:23] <hparker> In my case, usually a typo
[18:16:03] <ZeR0^> hm
[18:16:06] <ZeR0^> in master.cf ?
[18:16:47] <hparker> Or main.cf .. Whichever is the last you touched
[18:17:09] <ZeR0^> i haven't touched anything ...
[18:17:25] <ZeR0^> and it worked fine before reboot
[18:18:04] <lennard> I'd guess a fault in master.cf
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[18:19:02] <ZeR0^> http://cagole.toile-libre.org/master.cf.txt
[18:19:09] <ZeR0^> do you see something wrong ?
[18:22:53] <lennard> you are actually running 2.3 or later?
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[19:05:15] <FelipeBare> [off] what should I use, Dspam or Spamassassin ?
[19:08:51] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[19:08:52] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[19:08:55] <rob0> !zen
[19:08:56] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
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[19:24:23] <kithpom> I desperately need help. please somebody help me.
[19:24:35] <kithpom> my log is getting flooded with messages like this:
[19:24:37] <kithpom> May  2 10:23:31 mail postfix/qmgr[29984]: 303D6C952D: from=<>, size=109662, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[19:24:41] <mwalling> !debug
[19:24:41] <knoba> mwalling: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[19:24:58] <Dominian> Empty senders.. spammer trick..
[19:25:14] <kithpom> so you think I am being spammed?
[19:25:20] <Dominian> possibly
[19:25:25] <Dominian> it happens when you run an email server
[19:25:28] <Dominian> its ievitable
[19:25:30] <Dominian> er.. inevitable
[19:27:20] <kithpom> how the heck can I stop it?
[19:27:29] <kithpom> assuming it is spam and not something else....
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[19:27:59] <kithpom> I'm thinking something else because of other things that are going on in the office right now.
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[19:28:08] <kithpom> plase can someone help me?
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[19:30:26] <Dominian> where are they coming from?
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[19:34:51] <hparker> !backscatter
[19:34:51] <knoba> hparker: "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[19:34:59] <hparker> kithpom: ^^
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[19:49:44] <kithpom> it seems like the only emails that are getting delivered are going to the root email account.
[19:49:50] <kithpom> why the heck is that happening?
[19:50:21] <kithpom> hparker? ^^
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[19:51:53] <kithpom> is there a way to check mails in the queue?
[19:52:15] <kithpom> where are queued mails stored?
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[19:55:11] <kithpom> here is link of mail to postmaster: http://pastebin.ca/1005225
[19:55:26] <kithpom> could someone look at that and tell me if it means anything?
[19:56:47] <kithpom> i have 2400 emails in the queue to the root email what the heck am I supposed to do about that?
[19:57:27] <kithpom> please someone help? I am really desperate here.
[19:59:04] <kithpom> hparker could you please help me out?
[20:01:02] <_fury> kithpom: is /var/spool/postfix writable by user 'postfix' or whatever postfix is configured to run as? is it out of space on the disk?
[20:01:19] <kithpom> seriously i would pay someone to help me here.
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[20:01:31] <kithpom> _fury i should have plenty of space.
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[20:01:56] <_fury> why don't you verify that, df -h, and also make sure everything is writable there
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[20:02:26] <_fury> here's what my permissions look like there: http://rafb.net/p/i8TvFl65.html
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[20:07:02] <kithpom> _fury: http://pastebin.ca/1005236
[20:07:05] <kithpom> my permissions
[20:09:01] <kithpom> _fury: where can I check queued emails? where are they physically stored?
[20:09:12] <_fury> no idea to be honest
[20:09:25] <_fury> I'm just trying to point out what would probably be the most obvious or common problem
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[20:16:24] <AsterX> hi everyone
[20:16:56] <AsterX> What do I need to set to get rid of the fricking localhost.localdomain ?
[20:17:09] <AsterX> sent from 127.0.0.1
[20:17:10] <Dominian> !basic
[20:17:11] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[20:21:38] <Knoedel2> i have 2 dial in to internet mailrelays and 2 mailgateways
[20:21:51] <AsterX> Dominian, I have done that, burt headers are still messed up
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[20:22:42] <Knoedel2> is there a way to get the dial in servers, somthing like "backup/fallback" server ?
[20:23:10] <AsterX> Can someone please look at those headers for a sec: http://pastebin.ca/1005250
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[20:23:44] <AsterX> the very first "received" from bottom is using localhost.localdomain
[20:27:03] <AsterX> Please?
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[20:42:24] <`mac`> trying to update Can't get information about database.clamav.net: Temporary DNS error
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[20:43:36] <`mac`> not clear i could have ban the ip..
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[20:56:09] <ZeR0^> 18:31 < lennard> you are actually running 2.3 or later?
[20:56:14] <ZeR0^> lennard: the last
[20:57:39] <ZeR0^> 2.5
[20:58:12] <`mac`> !clamav
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[20:58:14] <knoba> `mac`: "clamav" : a free (open source) virus scanner which works great with amavis. See http://www.clamav.net/
[20:58:26] <`mac`> !clamav update
[20:58:27] <knoba> `mac`: Error: "clamav" is not a valid command.
[20:58:44] <`mac`> !clamav Temporary DNS error
[20:58:45] <knoba> `mac`: Error: "clamav" is not a valid command.
[20:59:22] <`mac`> !freshclam
[20:59:24] <knoba> `mac`: Error: "freshclam" is not a valid command.
[21:01:31] <`mac`> pointless..
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[21:16:21] <kithpom> is there any way to prioritize flushing the queue?
[21:16:39] <kithpom> like specifying which messages to hold and deliver others?
[21:16:49] <kithpom> perhaps by user/addressee or something?
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[21:29:04] <Mathman> anyone know what the CA.pl script the documentation talks about would be on a redhat system?
[21:29:52] <adaptr> consult the redhat documentation, I suspect
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[22:03:27] <drzed_> re
[22:03:58] <adaptr> do
[22:04:08] <drzed_> is it possible to check if the user part in mail from is valid?
[22:04:22] <drzed_> if, yes how?
[22:04:29] <adaptr> mail from whom ?
[22:05:04] <drzed_> MAIL FROM: <invalid-user at example dot com>
[22:05:13] <adaptr> it is trivial to check if the sending *domain* is actually owned by that MX, but how would you find out if the sending *user* exists in *their* user databases ?
[22:05:23] <muecke77> drzed_: There is are VRFY command in SMTP, but most admins disable this feature for good reasons.
[22:05:24] <adaptr> you can't, normally
[22:05:46] <adaptr> VRFY was originally intended for this, but it has become the world's biggest spam trap :)
[22:06:15] <drzed_> hm but postfix could contact the mail server an try to send a mail back 'RCPT TO: <invalid-user at example dot com>'
[22:06:35] <drzed_> and quit before DATA
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[22:07:04] <adaptr> and create twice as much network traffic in the process ?
[22:07:07] <adaptr> IOW, no
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[22:07:35] <adaptr> besides, there is no guarantee whatsoever that the other side is as bright, or even marginally sentient
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[22:07:51] <adaptr> so it could very well accept anything, and only drop after DATA, or not at all
[22:07:56] <drzed_> i see, a not so good idead
[22:08:14] <adaptr> it is a good idea, but it's not possible to implement with current SMTP
[22:08:18] <RainDoctor> drzed_, solve it at different level
[22:08:28] <RainDoctor> why do you wanna block that particular invalid-user?
[22:08:29] <adaptr> it was never designed for security or spamfighting
[22:08:34] <RainDoctor> why are you relying on that?
[22:08:36] <adaptr> he means any and all
[22:08:52] <adaptr> as if envelope-from has any authentic value
[22:08:52] <drzed_> ok now another question: how is it possible that some mails do not pass my check_policy_service?
[22:09:01] <adaptr> very possible
[22:09:15] <drzed_> the mail in question is not from my_networks
[22:10:51] <drzed_> my postconf -n http://phpfi.com/311575
[22:11:08] <drzed_> adaptr: so how is this possible (in my case)?
[22:11:27] <adaptr> who knows ? what does the policy service actually check ?
[22:11:39] <adaptr> "policy service", in and of itself, is meaningless
[22:11:44] <adaptr> what does it police
[22:12:02] <drzed_> the thing is, it never gets there
[22:12:22] <adaptr> then why do you state that it is a policy problem ?
[22:12:26] <adaptr> it obviously isn't
[22:12:48] <drzed_> http://phpfi.com/311577 <-- there sould be a line like 'Apr 21 11:03:53 smtp postfix-policyd: rcpt=3397, greylist=new,  [...]'
[22:13:42] <drzed_> you're right, its more a postfix than a (postifx-)policy problem)?
[22:13:53] <drzed_> s/)?/!
[22:15:48] <drzed_> so its a postfix related problem - thats why i'm in #postfix
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[22:19:07] <drzed_> adaptr: do have an idea why it does not even get to the policy checker?
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[22:19:32] <adaptr> no, I do not - how do you know that it does not get there, and if it does not, what is preventing it from getting there ?
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[22:20:01] <adaptr> this can be directly deduced from your *restrictions
[22:20:12] <adaptr> rocket science don't come into it
[22:22:43] <drzed_> adaptr: firstly there is no logfile line containin 'postfix-policyd' secondly the e-mail address in this mail would have been block by the policyd thirdly the message itself does not contain any additional grelyist header line (which every mails gets that passes the policyd)
[22:24:19] <drzed_> fourtly the policyd logs indicate that no souch mail has passted the policy-daemon
[22:24:32] <adaptr> post your *restrictions
[22:24:37] <adaptr> *pastebin, rather
[22:24:48] <adaptr> but if it's short, you can post
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[22:25:20] <action09> hi all
[22:25:23] <drzed_> adaptr: i alread did post my restrictions: http://phpfi.com/311575
[22:25:46] <action09> anyone know a tuto to install/configure postfix from start to end, but with a minimalistic approach ?
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[22:26:32] <action09> i mean, i've a dedicated server with Debian on it i'm doing apt-get isntall postfix, and play withe the different main.cf parameters all along the chapters.
[22:26:44] <drzed_> http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[22:26:58] <action09> yep i was on it
[22:27:30] <adaptr> drzed_: first, is there a good (a very good) reason to use separate *restrictions ?
[22:27:46] <adaptr> second, are you absolutely SURE the sender is not in mynetworks ?
[22:27:57] <adaptr> third, pastebin the complete log from one such message
[22:28:33] <action09> thanks drzed_  anyway
[22:28:34] <action09> :)
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[22:29:58] <drzed_> firstly: no actually not, i did not know that this sould be the case; however IMHO this sould not be the cause of my problem
[22:30:55] <drzed_> secondly: yes i'm 100% sure (as one could easly see comparing the logfile and the posted config)
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[22:34:04] <adaptr> drzed_: okay, then accept my advice that it is not generally necessary to separate out your *restrictions, and putting them all in recipient actually confers a large benefit
[22:34:47] <adaptr> the only conceivable reason you would absolutely WANT to separate them out is if you run such a high-volume mail service (millions an HOUR) that you simply MUST reject ASAP
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[22:35:12] <adaptr> otherwise, put them all in *recipient, which causes postfix to *LOG EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MESSAGE*
[22:35:22] <adaptr> if you separate them out, it doesn't - it can't
[22:35:33] <adaptr> and you want logging
[22:37:44] <drzed_> thirdly: the log i posted defentifly continas all relevant information, however here is another example log: the mail in line 33
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[22:40:33] <kithpom> in the man page for postsuper there is an example commmand to delete the messages from one user from the queue which is exactly what I need but i am unsure of the formatting on the command line. could someone take a look at it and help me out?
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[22:50:05] <drzed_> adaptr: any idea or comment on the "new" logfile?
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[23:02:23] <drzed_> adaptr: or at least an ideay how i could debug this?
[23:09:59] <drzed_> btw putting alls resstrictions to smtpd_recipient_restrictions didnt help either
[23:10:17] <drzed_> another mail bypassed the the policyd
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[23:13:06] <impulze> h ithere, what could prevent postfix from reading it's alias file or rather not recognizing its contents?
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[23:13:11] <kithpom> what is the configuration parameter for a list of senders to block?
[23:13:54] <impulze> i have entries in it that look like "root: admins" and yet if i send mail to root it complets the to-field to "root@myorigin" instead of "admins@myorigin"
[23:14:17] <impulze> i've used postalias and the permissions on the file are sane and nor does the log show any errors on startup
[23:16:40] <drzed_> adaptr: ok got another poblem: sometimes mails get accepted that ist not in my virtual_relay_recipients (also not in aliases), what could be the reason?
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[23:34:02] <impulze> ok i figured the issue
[23:40:51] <impulze> i have myorigin in a virtual_*_domain
[23:41:20] <impulze> is there a chance to do the rewriting based on the alias file parsed by local(8) and then send it to the virtual(8) delivery agent?
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[23:43:54] <impulze> virtual(5) that is :)
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