November 29, 2007 
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November 29, 2007 [00:01:24] *** kreg_lt has quit IRC[00:02:06] <sysmonk> magyar: excuse me, is it #ldap or #postfix?[00:04:41] <magyar> sysmonk: in a way mail related, what better place to get info[00:07:16] <sysmonk> like, in ldap channel?[00:07:34] *** tris has joined #postfix[00:08:02] *** pirho has joined #postfix[00:08:40] *** prebur has quit IRC[00:10:50] *** hark has quit IRC[00:18:56] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[00:41:00] *** hparker has quit IRC[00:42:49] *** meandtheshell has joined #postfix[00:44:30] *** snearch has quit IRC[00:55:55] *** pitakill has quit IRC[01:00:10] *** lambda has quit IRC[01:08:44] *** hemry has quit IRC[01:08:49] *** AIChains has joined #postfix[01:09:22] <AIChains> hey all[01:09:39] <AIChains> im just trying to get valid recipient checking going[01:09:50] <AIChains> i have a file called validrcpt in /etc/postfix[01:10:04] <AIChains> ive compiled postfix with cdb support, and generated a cdb file out of validrcpt[01:10:07] <AIChains> i then have[01:10:16] <AIChains> local_recipient_maps = cdb:/usr/local/etc/postfix/validrcpt in main.cf[01:10:34] <AIChains> it is still accepting mail for invalid recipients, and i wonder if ive missed something[01:10:46] <AIChains> ive read through the local_recipient_readme and cdb_readme's[01:12:05] *** meandtheshell has quit IRC[01:14:55] *** war has quit IRC[01:21:51] *** Rawplayer has joined #postfix[01:22:32] <Rawplayer> hi, can anyone tell me why my MTA cant connect to another mailserver from a chroot? it can ping the other mailserver, but cant connect to it on port 25[01:22:36] <Rawplayer> there is no firewall involved[01:22:38] *** zamolxes has left #postfix[01:22:47] <Rawplayer> from the physical machine itself it works perfectly[01:22:56] <Rawplayer> i think i mis something in my chroot but i dont know what[01:23:04] <Rawplayer> the chroot is set up from a debian debootstrap[01:29:42] *** githogori has joined #postfix[01:30:32] *** hparker has joined #postfix[01:34:30] *** meandtheshell has joined #postfix[01:48:09] *** gnac_ has joined #postfix[01:50:44] <gnac_> Can I set up emails to selected aliases to be discarded? I am using postfix/mysql/postfixadmin.[01:52:03] *** memic has quit IRC[01:55:45] *** memic has joined #postfix[01:57:30] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[02:02:13] *** YGingras has joined #postfix[02:08:31] *** prebur has joined #postfix[02:13:04] *** AIChains has left #postfix[02:17:27] *** rokra has joined #postfix[02:27:12] *** lysander has quit IRC[02:27:26] *** lysander has joined #postfix[02:27:58] *** karsten has left #postfix[02:40:35] *** AIChains has joined #postfix[02:47:34] *** saboteur has joined #postfix[02:48:04] <saboteur> i have a scenario i'd like to run by someone, as i can't quite figure it out[02:48:07] <saboteur> anyone keen? :)[02:48:43] *** lysander has quit IRC[02:53:59] *** meandtheshell has quit IRC[02:59:46] *** simprix has joined #postfix[03:03:46] *** LineOf7s has joined #postfix[03:06:43] <simprix> Im trying to setup sasl on centos My config is this http://pastebin.com/m258bff30 I don't get any errors in my logs My computer just sits and trys to send.[03:07:31] <saboteur> i have three domains; domain-a.com, domain-b.com, domain-c.com. we use a 3rd party to filter spam and viruses for domain-a and domain-b but domain-c comes in directly. so i want to accept e-mail for domain-a and domain-b only from the addresses listed in goodservers.cidr. the third domain must accept connections from anywhere. this is the config i am using - http://echelon.pinegap.net/~tim/tmp/postfix.txt[03:08:33] <saboteur> with it configured this way, anything for domain-a and domain-b is told to try again later (regardless if it is in goodservers.cidr or not) but domain-c stuff comes in[03:09:04] <saboteur> am i way off track or is it something simple? :)[03:10:49] *** f3ew has quit IRC[03:10:50] *** diveli has quit IRC[03:19:46] <AIChains> what is the smtpd_recipient_restrictions setting to add in order to make postfix evaluate a list of valid recipients (which are in a hash format)[03:22:27] <saboteur> it is checking the recipient domain, or am i not reading your question properly?[03:23:06] <AIChains> well from what i am understanding, relay_domains is a text file that contains just domains that the server should receive mail for[03:23:27] <AIChains> beyond that, i would like to setup recipient validation off of a text file that contains all email addresses that the server should receive mail for[03:23:45] <AIChains> in other words, reject any rcpt to: that does not appear in that text file, during smtp phase[03:25:06] <saboteur> sorry i thought you were answering my queston, now i understand :)[03:26:05] <saboteur> you are after a recipient map[03:27:18] <AIChains> likely, yes[03:29:46] <AIChains> ay idea how to set that up ?[03:29:49] <AIChains> any idea[03:31:27] <saboteur> my postfix server isn't the final destination so i use relay_recipient_maps[03:31:42] <AIChains> yes, i am attempting to configure a secondary MX server using postfix[03:31:55] <saboteur> ok, you can use that too then[03:31:57] <AIChains> i am able to generate a list of valid recipient addresses to use on it[03:32:06] <AIChains> relay_recipient_maps[03:32:08] <AIChains> sec[03:32:31] <saboteur> yes, just export as recipient@addy<tab>OK[03:32:33] <AIChains> ok ive set that in main.cf[03:32:53] <AIChains> what needs to go in smtpd_recipient_restrictions in order to activate this ?[03:32:57] <AIChains> or is there nothing necessary there ?[03:33:21] <saboteur> so you have it set like: relay_recipient_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/relay_recipient_maps ?[03:33:36] <AIChains> oo![03:33:39] <AIChains> it works(#$*#([03:34:18] *** simprix has left #postfix[03:34:26] <AIChains> god that was easy[03:36:08] <saboteur> wish my problem was that easy[03:42:40] *** noobuntu has joined #postfix[03:43:10] <noobuntu> is a relay host the same as a smarthost?[03:43:36] <saboteur> yep[03:44:07] *** rokra has quit IRC[03:44:18] *** rokra has joined #postfix[03:45:38] *** rokra has quit IRC[03:46:39] *** rokra has joined #postfix[03:47:44] *** pirho has quit IRC[03:51:35] *** Z1mmy has joined #postfix[03:53:03] *** rokra has quit IRC[03:53:15] <noobuntu> what is a local address extension[03:53:24] *** Tinozaure is now known as Tino[03:53:33] *** Tino is now known as Tinozaure[03:54:02] <noobuntu> why is + used as a local address extension by default[03:54:57] *** rokra has joined #postfix[04:00:47] *** rokra_ has joined #postfix[04:01:16] *** rokra_ has quit IRC[04:07:42] <noobuntu> Please choose the character that will be used to define a local address │ │ extension.[04:07:49] <noobuntu> what on earth is this?[04:08:45] <hparker> foo+user at example dot com will deliver to user at example dot com[04:08:58] <rob0> probably this, although you should ask your packager:[04:09:03] <rob0> !recipient_delimiter[04:09:04] <knoba> rob0: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[04:09:04] <hparker> i use it when giving my address to places I suspect may sell/share it[04:10:00] <rob0> very handy, although I find that many stupid Web programmers didn't think a "+" belonged in an email address.[04:10:54] <hparker> yeah[04:11:01] <rob0> And another place, the Web form took it, but their MTA ate it.[04:11:08] <hparker> lol[04:11:29] <hparker> There's no escaping the st00pid[04:11:44] <rob0> they rule the world ... literally[04:11:54] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|afk[04:12:55] <hparker> heh... yeah[04:16:12] *** rokra has quit IRC[04:16:38] *** rokra has joined #postfix[04:17:26] *** rokra has joined #postfix[04:18:30] *** rokra has joined #postfix[04:21:17] *** rokra has quit IRC[04:21:29] *** rokra has joined #postfix[04:21:38] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix[04:23:12] <ScarEye> guys what does this mean. When I try to start postfix and look at my logs I get this error[04:23:14] <ScarEye> Nov 28 17:21:11 scanner postfix/master[3424]: fatal: bind 127.0.0.1 port 25: Address already in use[04:23:58] <AIChains> means something else is already bound to port 25...[04:24:12] <ScarEye> in what a config file[04:24:34] <ScarEye> what else would be useing it ?[04:25:17] <AIChains> telnet localhost 25[04:25:19] <AIChains> see what answers[04:25:29] <AIChains> or netstat -anp | grep :25 (on linux)[04:25:59] <ScarEye> oh maybe sendmail is using it[04:26:02] <ScarEye> I think that is installed[04:26:03] <AIChains> yep[04:26:18] <ScarEye> okay do I need sendmail[04:26:39] <lunaphyte> nothing like having two engines trying to drive the same car on their own... :)[04:27:21] *** LineOf7s_ has joined #postfix[04:27:30] <ScarEye> st00pid sendmail[04:27:52] <AIChains> anyone use freebsd[04:28:09] <lunaphyte> sure, probably[04:28:37] <AIChains> i deleted a syslog log file and it's not being recreated automatically[04:28:40] <AIChains> i wonder how to do it[04:29:29] <lunaphyte> touch it, then restart syslogd.[04:30:01] <AIChains> i touch'd it and HUP'd the syslog process[04:30:06] <LineOf7s_> Must be the day for it: I did a log rotation and nothing's being written to the newly-created log files. I'm looking at syslogd too.[04:30:10] <AIChains> you mean full syslog restart ?[04:30:30] <AIChains> ok got it[04:30:31] <AIChains> thanks dog[04:31:44] <ScarEye> AIChains: It's thanks dawg ;)[04:32:05] <AIChains> THANKS DAWG[04:32:08] *** LineOf7s has quit IRC[04:32:09] <LineOf7s_> exit[04:32:10] <LineOf7s_> oops[04:32:11] <ScarEye> =)[04:32:12] <LineOf7s_> n00b[04:32:15] <ScarEye> lol[04:32:16] *** LineOf7s_ has left #postfix[04:40:10] *** darkphader has quit IRC[04:41:04] *** Z1mmy has quit IRC[04:45:42] *** babu has joined #postfix[04:49:35] <babu> is there any website which is providing online coaching for postfix[04:49:36] *** cj_sze27 has joined #postfix[04:58:45] <hparker> postfix.org?[05:01:57] <AIChains> is there a document of postfix's retry schedule somewhere ?[05:02:20] <rob0> man qmgr?[05:04:43] *** theblackbox has quit IRC[05:05:00] <AIChains> hmm[05:05:09] <AIChains> that shows how to adjust it, but it doesnt seem to show the defaults[05:05:56] <AIChains> qshape ?[05:07:37] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[05:09:17] <babu> hparker: not postfix.org some one who will give online training[05:10:26] <hparker> babu: Last time I looked there was links to companies that do[05:10:36] *** cthulfuego has quit IRC[05:10:50] <hparker> maybe not online as I didn't look at them[05:11:36] <babu> Hparker: Aaha ok[05:12:34] <babu> Pls tell me where is parameter which is set for sending bounces to root sent by root[05:13:23] <hparker> What problem are you trying to solve?[05:16:55] <felix_da_catz> How can I generate a private key without a password?[05:18:13] <AIChains> you talking about ssl, right ?[05:19:16] *** Z1mmY has joined #postfix[05:19:49] <AIChains> http://www.pastebin.ca/801308[05:19:51] <AIChains> thats how[05:20:17] <AIChains> at least thats how i do it...check the openssl man page for more ways to submit the "passin" thing[05:20:32] <AIChains> im pretty sure you can send it on stdin as well as a few other ways...like being prompted for it[05:23:21] *** amrit|afk is now known as amrit[05:25:24] *** pitakill_ is now known as pitakill[05:32:08] <felix_da_catz> Thanks AIChains.[05:32:39] <felix_da_catz> So I have to create one with a password first, then create one without it.[05:38:44] *** kk_CHN has joined #postfix[05:46:38] <ScarEye> guys is the relay_recipients file suppose to be a one line file seperated by 1 space between each user ?[05:47:21] *** pitakill has quit IRC[05:48:48] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[05:49:41] *** hparker has quit IRC[05:50:18] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[05:51:17] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[05:58:24] *** rokra has quit IRC[06:03:47] *** Tinozaure is now known as Tino[06:03:53] *** Tino is now known as Tinozaure[06:09:14] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:09:46] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:15:01] *** unixipher has joined #postfix[06:16:29] *** jmazaredo_ has quit IRC[06:31:19] *** kk_CHN has quit IRC[06:34:32] *** pitakill has quit IRC[06:39:00] *** babu has quit IRC[06:45:57] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[07:04:26] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[07:07:18] *** Internat has quit IRC[07:08:22] <gnac_> How do I setup alias emails I want to be discarded/rejected?[07:14:58] <context> gnac_: you dont set them up and they get rejected ...[07:16:25] *** bab1 has joined #postfix[07:17:07] *** Gibbonz has joined #postfix[07:17:10] <bab1> Domainian: pls look this link, http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6330927813/m/702004173631[07:21:53] *** Gibbonz has quit IRC[07:29:29] *** rati has joined #postfix[07:33:43] *** lkthomas has joined #postfix[07:33:47] <lkthomas> hey guys[07:34:42] <lkthomas> our client asking, if he could send an email which sender address isn't same as SMTP Auth account ID ?[07:37:13] *** Chris-NB has joined #postfix[07:37:18] *** harpal has joined #postfix[07:46:13] *** f3ew has quit IRC[07:48:40] *** noobuntu has quit IRC[07:51:15] *** clusterer has joined #postfix[07:54:29] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[07:57:04] <clusterer> im having difficulty having my virtual_alias_maps file rewrite an incoming address to an address w/ ip domain[07:57:16] <clusterer> eg. example example at 10 dot 0.0.1[07:57:22] <clusterer> any tips please?[07:57:34] <clusterer> is that example wrong in any way?[08:04:37] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[08:07:03] <context> personally i wouldnt alias to ip's[08:09:48] <clusterer> context: why's that?[08:11:17] <clusterer> also why is it when i use that technique[08:11:39] <clusterer> actually[08:12:07] <clusterer> is there a way i can specify to route the mail over to that IP but dont rewrite the domain to the ip?[08:12:47] <clusterer> only route specific mail tho[08:14:37] *** bab1 has quit IRC[08:15:42] *** babu has joined #postfix[08:15:59] *** babu has left #postfix[08:16:53] * f3ew would just use multiple MX records[08:17:13] <f3ew> and then do a virtual_alias_maps to rewrite and deliver to shared storage[08:17:53] *** header_checks has joined #postfix[08:17:58] <clusterer> f3ew: hi again.... the shared storage part is usually problematic as ive seen[08:19:17] <clusterer> so there is no way to say 'send this mail to user at example dot com and use this IP for example.com'[08:22:29] <f3ew> clusterer MX records[08:23:07] <clusterer> f3ew: ya, i know my whole problem can be resolved by just putting one box on one mx record and another on a different one[08:23:21] <clusterer> but the loadbalancing is no good with this method[08:23:31] <f3ew> why not?[08:23:38] <clusterer> its not even[08:23:57] <f3ew> and more importantly, why are you not sharing mail storage across both frontends?[08:24:04] <f3ew> It averages out[08:24:21] <clusterer> to share storage id have to mount some network drive or something[08:24:28] <clusterer> isn't that problematic?[08:24:45] <clusterer> ive seen some docs that say this[08:25:47] <f3ew> not with mildir storage[08:25:50] <f3ew> maildir[08:25:56] <clusterer> yeah thats what im using[08:26:03] <clusterer> so just do a mount on one of the servers?[08:26:12] <clusterer> that would totally solve all my issues[08:26:20] <clusterer> then i can just have the same setup on both systems[08:27:14] <clusterer> NFS or something?[08:30:31] <f3ew> yes[08:32:05] <clusterer> ok i'll give it a whirl[08:32:15] <clusterer> u used this method before, any issues?[08:34:22] <f3ew> No issues, last time I saw it being used was a provider with a few million accounts[08:34:40] *** tolecnal_ has joined #postfix[08:36:10] <clusterer> ok cool :)[08:36:24] <clusterer> thanks for putting up with my lame questions[08:38:11] <f3ew> np[08:38:16] <f3ew> !ta[08:38:16] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "ta" is not a valid command.[08:48:17] *** internat85 has joined #postfix[08:51:41] *** lkthomas has quit IRC[08:51:43] *** Mavvie_ has joined #postfix[08:52:24] *** Mavvie has quit IRC[08:52:39] *** tolecnal has quit IRC[08:52:40] *** tolecnal_ is now known as tolecnal[09:10:31] <header_checks> hello[09:18:16] *** duki has joined #postfix[09:20:07] *** lysander has joined 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joined #postfix[10:16:58] *** gnac_ has quit IRC[10:18:05] <VagaStorm> if I connect to my mailserver and do RCPT TO: to an email address on a domain not in my transport file, should I not get a relay denied message?[10:19:07] *** mark-use has joined #postfix[10:19:18] <sep> VagaStorm, depends on where you conenct from and what your mynetworks is set to[10:19:24] <sep> and your restrictions lines[10:21:05] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:22:03] <VagaStorm> ohhh.... errr.... so the script I ran localy to test it wil most likely never be blocked :([10:22:39] *** clusterer has left #postfix[10:30:41] *** rati has quit IRC[10:30:48] *** [1]rati has joined #postfix[10:30:49] *** duki has quit IRC[10:30:53] *** [1]rati is now known as rati[10:34:41] *** gnac_ has joined #postfix[10:39:16] *** |DeuS| has joined #postfix[10:40:25] *** clusterer has joined #postfix[10:49:09] *** clusterer has quit IRC[10:49:42] *** cilly has quit IRC[10:50:44] *** ming_zym has left #postfix[10:54:49] *** header_checks has joined #postfix[10:55:21] <header_checks> is there any way to stop bounce backs for root user[10:58:30] <Signum> header_checks: you haven't asked the same question twice in the last two under other nicknames?[10:59:44] *** Arne_fkaApo has joined #postfix[11:01:02] <Arne_fkaApo> hi there. i got a slight problem reconfiguring postfix. i cannot enter "0" for mailbox_size_limit... not by editing main.cf on my own, nor by using postconf -e, it defaults back to 51200000 every single time... any idea? :-)[11:01:11] <header_checks> I used header_checks because, some In net i found using header_checks we can stop bounce messages for root, that y I used this Id(those who are interested in giving ans for for header_checks)[11:02:13] <Arne_fkaApo> okay, i cannot set _anything_ differing from the default value it seems[11:03:45] <Signum> header_checks: you may be able to stop bounce messages with header_checks. but for *all* users. surely not desired.[11:04:13] <f3ew> Arne_fkaApo is it being defined again at the bottom of the file[11:04:24] <f3ew> are you looking at the correct file?[11:04:27] <Signum> header_checks: I just wonder because it's an exostic question and some schizophrenic user here seems to bug is with that time and again. :)[11:04:47] <Arne_fkaApo> f3ew, no, even by grep'ing the whole folder there's only one single line with this parameter in main.cf[11:05:42] <header_checks> signum: but I want those bounce backs should be delivered to postmaster alias[11:07:07] <Signum> header_checks: ah, alright, sorry :)[11:07:17] <f3ew> are you looking at the correct file? <====[11:07:34] <Signum> header_checks: see "man 5 postconf" -> bounce_notice_recipient[11:07:41] <f3ew> how are you checking?[11:07:46] <f3ew> postconf -n?[11:09:31] <header_checks> signum: pls see this link http://groups.google.com/group/list.postfix.users/browse_thread/thread/33fdacad5b22644e/2f122e3dae231e8f[11:09:34] <Arne_fkaApo> uhm... d'oh[11:09:49] <Arne_fkaApo> i'll repost soon, gotta test if it was just the wrong parameter :)[11:10:16] <header_checks> I posted there I am redirecting bounce backs of root to postmaster by using bounce_notice_recipient=postmaster[11:10:29] *** unixipher has quit IRC[11:11:47] <header_checks> I am sure, there is another way to stop bounces for root[11:12:20] *** cilly has joined #postfix[11:12:41] <Arne_fkaApo> uhm... could it be postfix has just some internal limit for message_size?[11:13:18] <Arne_fkaApo> ahhh... no, its virtual_mailbox_limit[11:14:07] *** Twinkletoes has quit IRC[11:14:39] *** Twinkletoes has joined #postfix[11:14:57] <header_checks> how it could be if we configure in mail client, (not to receive bounce backs to root)[11:16:13] <Signum> header_checks: so you are babu98488 again... (sigh)[11:16:50] * Signum refuses to answer any "I want to ignore bounces" questions during the next 28 years[11:16:53] <Arne_fkaApo> f3ew, now it works. there was virtual_mailbox_limit interferring[11:17:16] <f3ew> there you go :P[11:17:37] *** hans__ has quit IRC[11:18:04] <header_checks> in the starting only I told u that I am that person only (I loged in as header_checks because, those who are interested in header_checks will help me out)[11:19:16] *** duki has joined #postfix[11:19:23] *** cilly has quit IRC[11:19:55] *** cilly has joined #postfix[11:22:23] *** tarik has joined #postfix[11:28:13] *** duki has quit IRC[11:28:21] *** duki has joined #postfix[11:30:14] <header_checks> I am still trying[11:30:58] *** ctx144k has joined #postfix[11:31:20] <ctx144k> hello all. iam using postfix with mysql and dovecot[11:31:48] <ctx144k> i can send/read emails via telnet and via thunderbird[11:32:26] <ctx144k> but when i want to read my mails via squirrelmail, i get after login with correct password only a white screen[11:32:27] <evadave> excellent[11:32:59] <ctx144k> the browser is showing the adress: http://www.lingox4u.de/mail/src/webmail.php[11:33:20] <Signum> ctx144k: we won't be able to see what you see without logging in :)[11:34:04] <ctx144k> anyone have an idea what i did wrong?[11:34:36] <ctx144k> cause... i changed my database-layout, and before changing it squirrelmail was running well[11:34:58] <shasta> that's not related to postfix[11:35:02] <shasta> see your webserver logs[11:35:05] <Signum> not at all :)[11:35:27] *** duki has quit IRC[11:35:37] *** duki has joined #postfix[11:40:23] <ctx144k> ok there i cant find any errors[11:41:21] <ctx144k> mail.log ist showing the follow message: http://rafb.net/p/8bLDAE70.html[11:41:25] *** duki has quit IRC[11:41:33] *** duki has joined #postfix[11:43:14] <Signum> ctx144k: since you said it works via thunderbird it's likely not the dovecot but rather squirrelmail[11:45:57] <ctx144k> hmm...[11:49:08] <cilly> hi all[11:49:16] <cilly> I have a problem with my postfix.[11:49:45] *** Tig| has joined #postfix[11:50:49] <Tig|> hi, does anyone know if there is a way to do variables in /etc/aliases what I want to do is take the to part of the an e-mail address and use it in aliases automatically, something like this : http://pastebin.com/m24cb4b4 but with $string replaced with the correct syntax, I have looked on the web and can't seem to find anything or I am not using the correct terminology in my search :([11:50:54] *** header_checks has left #postfix[11:51:22] <cilly> My machine name is pluto.example.org and my mailhost is mail.example.org. mail is a CN to pluto. It worked in postfix 2.3.6 but since upgrading to postfix 2.4.5 the mailsystem does not respond to mail. anymore. How can this be solved while keeping mail.example.org for the mta?[11:51:37] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[11:53:46] <ctx144k> but one curious thing i have in my thunderbird. when i change the password on server, i get in thunderbird the follow message: Please give the Password for: andre at lingox4u dot de@lingox4u.de[11:54:08] <ctx144k> two times the domain-name[12:01:31] <ctx144k> ok - an error in a plugin of squirrelmail[12:01:48] <ctx144k> i disabled the plugin "change_passwd" and its running well now...[12:08:01] *** bala1 has joined #postfix[12:08:52] <bala1> hi,does postfix have cache for dns results?[12:09:29] *** header_checks has joined #postfix[12:10:05] *** gnac__ has joined #postfix[12:17:29] *** gnac_ has quit IRC[12:19:23] *** mark-use has quit IRC[12:20:09] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[12:25:17] *** duki has quit IRC[12:26:39] <f3ew> bala1 no[12:26:52] <f3ew> Tig| regexp?[12:27:10] <f3ew> cilly don't use CNAMEs[12:27:29] *** [1]rati has joined #postfix[12:27:31] *** thermoman has left #postfix[12:28:09] <cilly> f3ew: I have no choice, the mailserver is the same machine as the gateway. The gatewy is named pluto and the mailserver must be named mail.[12:28:20] <f3ew> cilly two A records[12:28:36] <e_> hehe ;)[12:28:39] *** mark-use has joined #postfix[12:28:57] <cilly> f3ew: but still one ptr record?[12:29:04] <f3ew> cilly yes[12:30:07] <cilly> just to make things clear: I have then two A records with 1. pluto and 2. mail both pointing to the same IP?[12:30:14] <e_> yeah[12:30:19] <e_> what's the matter with that[12:30:33] <cilly> well, it's new to me[12:31:18] *** harpal has quit IRC[12:33:08] *** harpal has joined #postfix[12:33:19] <cilly> f3ew: thx, seems to work :)[12:33:48] * cilly hands f3ew some Toblerone.[12:34:33] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[12:34:42] *** ming_zy1 has joined #postfix[12:34:43] *** rati has quit IRC[12:34:44] *** [1]rati is now known as rati[12:35:33] <f3ew> ty[12:35:56] <Tig|> f3ew: the bit I am missing is how to get the variable out? can you do regex inside /etc/aliases? if so what do you use to get the variable to test against? :)[12:36:15] <f3ew> alias_maps = regexp:/etc/aliases[12:36:21] <f3ew> !regexp_table[12:36:21] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "regexp_table" is not a valid command.[12:36:24] <f3ew> regexp_table(5)[12:37:00] <Tig|> f3ew: ah right, I will have a look :) thanks :)[12:38:00] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:40:05] *** cpm has joined #postfix[12:42:43] *** gnac__ has quit IRC[12:43:09] *** cj_sze27 has quit IRC[12:44:29] *** rati has quit IRC[12:45:01] *** rati has joined #postfix[12:45:34] *** gnac_ has joined #postfix[12:45:53] *** cilly has quit IRC[12:46:26] *** cilly has joined #postfix[12:46:42] *** harpal has quit IRC[12:47:11] <cilly> re[12:48:21] *** harpal has joined #postfix[12:48:37] *** [2]rati has joined #postfix[12:48:45] *** rati has quit IRC[12:48:49] *** [2]rati is now known as rati[12:50:28] *** Gibbonz has quit IRC[12:55:17] *** ramoni has joined #postfix[12:57:24] *** adam33 has joined #postfix[12:58:33] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[12:59:07] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[13:00:10] *** [2]rati has joined #postfix[13:00:57] *** harpal_ has joined #postfix[13:02:58] <header_checks> by using Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows) can we stop bounce back mails?[13:06:56] <cpm> header_checks, huh?[13:07:09] <cpm> what is a 'bounce back' mail?[13:07:24] <cpm> explain your situation please[13:07:50] <header_checks> cpm: I am typing[13:07:58] <cpm> k[13:10:03] <header_checks> root sending some emails daily to our customers, if customer id is not[13:10:03] <header_checks> exist it will bounce to root. I am sending those bounce message to[13:10:03] <header_checks> x at x dot com(by giving postmaster alias). Now I want bounce messages should not be delivered[13:10:03] <header_checks> to root user. (root user should not receive bounce messages for the[13:10:03] <header_checks> mails sent by root)[13:10:24] *** [2]rati has quit IRC[13:10:35] *** [1]rati has joined #postfix[13:13:08] <cpm> if customer send mail that cannot be deliver that you accept for delivery, the email will bounce. the sender of the email will be root.[13:13:18] <cpm> that is how email work[13:13:43] <cpm> root user *SHOULD* receive bounce messages for the mails sent by root.[13:14:26] <cpm> otoh, you should not be generating very many bounces. Give an example of a typical bounce. Note that I see bounces only every few months.[13:16:50] *** harpal has quit IRC[13:16:51] *** harpal_ is now known as harpal[13:17:36] *** rati has quit IRC[13:17:37] *** [1]rati is now known as rati[13:22:00] <header_checks> cpm: no, if customer is not existed that will bounce to my server[13:24:18] *** rati has quit IRC[13:24:39] *** rati has joined #postfix[13:25:08] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[13:28:02] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[13:29:34] *** rati has quit IRC[13:29:44] *** [1]rati has joined #postfix[13:34:06] *** duki has joined #postfix[13:34:57] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[13:36:01] *** devcow has joined #postfix[13:38:02] <cpm> header_checks, I think you are missing some vital understanding of email administration[13:38:15] <cpm> that is what is supposed to happen.[13:38:16] <lucas2> does anybody know how I can get lucas at mydomain dot com to go into a virtualmailbox, but the catchall at mydomain dot com to be forwarded to a gmail address? I can't seem to setup this scenario using virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps[13:38:47] <Signum> lucas2: yes you can. one caveat: you'll need a virtual_alias_maps entry reading lucas at mydomain dot com->lucas@mydomain.com[13:39:09] <lucas2> ah, so it won't be caught be the catchall in the alias maps.[13:39:14] <lucas2> neat trick.[13:39:17] <Signum> lucas2: It's pretty stupid but Postfix looks at the virtual_alias_maps table first, finds the catchall (and no more specific entry for lucas at mydomain dot com) and decides to follow the redirection[13:39:20] <Signum> lucas2: right[13:39:37] <lucas2> sweet, thanks signum.[13:39:41] <Signum> lucas2: You're welcome. :)[13:39:45] <lucas2> hard to find this kind of info in a faq :p[13:39:52] <Signum> lucas2: that's what we get paid in here[13:39:58] <Signum> (+for)[13:40:00] <tolecnal> :)[13:40:11] * Signum charges lucas2' credit card[13:41:21] <jduggan> heh[13:41:38] *** eugeneiso has joined #postfix[13:44:21] <header_checks> Mr. Cpm: thanks for your info. really I am new to postfix[13:44:39] <cpm> header_checks, do you belong to any linux user groups?[13:44:54] <cpm> you need mentoring[13:45:02] <header_checks> yes[13:46:03] <cpm> I recommend that you sit down with a college who is not new to postfix (or smtp in general) and explain your situation, this might be easier, and more satisfactory for gaining these base level understandings[13:46:32] <cpm> s/college/colleague[13:46:33] <header_checks> Thanks for your guidence[13:46:46] <cpm> are you familiar with #linux-india?[13:47:41] <header_checks> presently my situation is this, I am new to work on postfix, in our company I do not have any one who are seniors[13:48:23] <cpm> header_checks, I understand. That's a tough situation. that's were having a community of colleagues comes in quite handy.[13:48:53] <header_checks> ohhh, great[13:49:37] <header_checks> I am joined in linux-india, no one is there[13:51:01] <header_checks> you please look at http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Flist.postfix.users%2Fbrowse_thread%2Fthread%2F33fdacad5b22644e%2F2f122e3dae231e8f&ei=p7VOR-CROaOy0QSdw6njDQ&usg=AFQjCNFz5K3g7Sy204hm3g4ezqxDy_tH5g&sig2=K-hSwFoiCcEz3NKKFJcQIQ[13:51:57] * f3ew shrugs[13:52:02] * f3ew is bored of header_checks[13:52:21] <cpm> morn'n f3ew[13:52:49] * Signum gives f3ew's phone number to header_checks[13:52:59] * f3ew changed it[13:53:40] <header_checks> oh I am sorry, from morning onwards I am searching on that issue.[13:54:55] <header_checks> I really feel very happy , like u peoples are helping freshers[14:07:41] *** growltiger_ has quit IRC[14:07:54] *** growltiger_ has joined #postfix[14:09:23] *** ming_zy1 has quit IRC[14:12:12] *** [1]rati has quit IRC[14:12:16] *** rati has joined #postfix[14:18:18] *** gnac_ has quit IRC[14:18:29] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[14:18:46] *** header_checks has left #postfix[14:23:29] *** simprix has joined #postfix[14:29:47] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:31:57] *** duki has quit IRC[14:32:03] *** simprix has left #postfix[14:33:26] *** gnac_ has joined #postfix[14:40:30] *** goo has quit IRC[14:40:42] *** goo has joined #postfix[14:45:41] <VagaStorm> dos anyone know what could casue relativly random "Relay access denied;" errors.... it can go a while with nothing, then all of a sudden ther is alot of em[14:46:04] <Dominian> Someone trying to relay that isn't authorized to relay?[14:46:08] <Dominian> Just a guess.[14:46:09] *** rati_ has joined #postfix[14:46:14] <cpm> good guess.[14:46:25] <rati_> Can postfix works on IMAP and POP3?[14:46:35] <cpm> VagaStorm, are you experiencing a problem? Or just browsing the logs because you are bored?[14:46:35] <e_> no[14:48:20] <jduggan> why would postfix need to work on IMAP/POP3?[14:48:24] <rati_> I have one gateway machine. In that I have comfigured postfix with antispam and antivirus. and I have mailserver on another machine. So I can sent mail perfectly but I can tretrive my mails. because POP3 is not available on gateway machine[14:49:40] <rati_> Is there any software that can just do POP3/IMAP and takes request from user on gateway and sent it to mailserver and than it gets reply back to user[14:50:02] <VagaStorm> I'm tailing the log since someone reported having problems, and I saw nothing, but al of a sudden I started geting em. at that time the script I made that connected to the server and did RCPT TO started geting errors to.... it dos sevral connections with a short delay, and only some of the connections returned the error...[14:50:58] <rob0> Spammers continually check for relay access at every open port 25, worldwide. This is not new.[14:51:02] <devcow> hi @ll[14:51:07] *** gnac__ has joined #postfix[14:51:26] <devcow> i get the mails i created on the server directly. nice ;-) i can't send mails out or receive mails from outside. any clue?[14:51:33] <VagaStorm> restarting postfix stoped the errors....[14:51:37] *** c4stro has joined #postfix[14:52:04] <rob0> I'll keep that in mind, next time a spammer scans me for relaying. ;)[14:52:17] <jduggan> heh[14:52:53] <rati_> Any one know what I am trying to say?[14:52:56] *** gnac_ has quit IRC[14:53:18] <jduggan> rati_: fetchmail?[14:53:29] <jduggan> rati_: are you trying to pull mail from one mailserver into another?[14:55:11] <rati_> No, I have situation like this [internet]----->[gateway]-------[mailserver][14:55:36] <rati_> on gateway I have postfix so it will accept SMPT connection and forward mail to mailserver[14:56:08] <jduggan> ok[14:56:12] <jduggan> using a transport?[14:56:21] <rati_> I want some thing that transfer POP3/IMAP to users from mailserver[14:57:20] <Dominian> er.. what?[14:57:39] <rati_> so that users can receive their mails from mailserver[14:57:58] <Dominian> is the gateway a mailserver?[14:58:03] <Dominian> or is the "gateway" just a router?[14:58:05] <rati_> right now users can send mail to mailserver but they cant receive mails[14:58:17] <rati_> gateway is not mailserver[14:58:28] <Dominian> what is the gateway?[14:58:29] <Dominian> a router?[14:58:50] <rati_> it Just doing antispam ans antivirus on mail and than forward to mailserver[14:58:53] <rati_> ya[14:59:18] <Dominian> You didn't plan your setup out did you?[14:59:24] <Dominian> nayway.. back tow ork[14:59:39] <rob0> I think rati_ is trying to ask for POP3d/IMAPd recommendations.[15:00:03] *** unixcoder has joined #postfix[15:00:39] <rob0> Dovecot, Courier IMAP: both solid, good choices. But anything else can do it too. It doesn't matter to Postfix.[15:01:43] <rati_> Is there any solution?[15:02:38] <rob0> And wikipedia. READ. You have to know a lot to be a postmaster.[15:02:47] <Dominian> hmmm anyone else use the spf policyd that comes with postfix?[15:02:57] <devcow> i get the mails i created on the server directly. nice ;-) i can't send mails out or receive mails from outside. any clue?[15:05:54] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[15:06:16] *** gnac_ has joined #postfix[15:12:58] <devcow> can anyone give me a hint? i have no router involved here.[15:13:12] <f3ew> devcow "logs"[15:13:40] *** gnac__ has quit IRC[15:13:47] *** bala1 has quit IRC[15:14:50] <devcow> http://pastebin.com/m3c0dc053[15:15:23] <Dominian> er...[15:15:28] <Dominian> I don't see anything wrong there[15:15:38] <Dominian> Looks like normal information to me[15:15:48] <dogwater> rob0: is postmaster a job description anymore these days?[15:16:14] <Dominian> dogwater: not since microsoft exchange administrators think they are postmasters[15:16:17] <Dominian> ;)[15:16:18] <dogwater> rob0: what I mean is, i assume most people have like 49 different functions they do every day[15:16:18] <f3ew> dogwater yes[15:16:32] <devcow> f3ew -> main.cf[15:16:35] <devcow> http://pastebin.com/m23aa9750[15:17:15] <cpm> dogwater, postmaster is a 'job' for any outfit that actually has a clue.[15:17:36] <dogwater> Dominian: You have to respect a "good" exchange administrator though.. multisite multiforest replication and all of that, tied in with sharepoint, etc... say what you want about the actual product but a person who can get that to work in 'concert' "correctly"[15:17:46] *** [1]rati has joined #postfix[15:17:48] <dogwater> cpm: huh.. alrighty[15:17:49] <cpm> it can fall under the category of senior unix administrator[15:17:54] <Dominian> dogwater: yeah[15:18:02] *** [2]rati has joined #postfix[15:18:07] <cpm> however, only clueful folks understand what a senior sysadmin even is[15:18:25] <Dominian> cpm: The old guy with an office?[15:18:40] <Edward123> the old guy with an orifice[15:18:45] <[1]rati> Sorry I was disconnected.[15:18:51] <dogwater> of course your definition of senior, your definition of sysadmin and your definition of clueful are probably different from everyone else in this channel and everyone else in every other channel on freenode.[15:18:56] <[1]rati> Any one has answered?[15:19:15] <Dominian> !basic[15:19:15] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[15:19:33] <rob0> !Dominian[15:19:34] <knoba> rob0: Error: "Dominian" is not a valid command.[15:19:43] <Dominian> heh[15:19:57] <Dominian> Anyone else using the spf policyd in postfix?[15:20:06] *** harpal_ has joined #postfix[15:20:14] <dogwater> I'm just using it for throttle[15:20:24] <Dominian> er[15:20:34] <Dominian> spf != throttling :P[15:20:38] <dogwater> you said policyd[15:20:45] <Dominian> I said spf policyd[15:20:52] <Dominian> there are more than one policyd[15:21:02] <dogwater> thats a shame[15:21:13] <rob0> Yes, too many choices.[15:21:39] <dogwater> nah, they probably should've just built it into one daemon and made it better[15:21:44] <dogwater> etc[15:22:38] *** hparker has joined #postfix[15:22:38] <rob0> Cami's trying to do that, IIUC.[15:23:15] <jduggan> cami handed over to another dev, IIRC[15:23:29] <f3ew> nkukard[15:23:34] <f3ew> Nigel[15:23:38] <jduggan> yea[15:23:41] <rob0> Ah, I missed that.[15:23:54] <jduggan> nobody clueful responds on the list any more[15:24:06] <jduggan> i had a question regarding something wrong in the code, no devs answered me[15:24:21] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[15:26:08] <dogwater> policyd was pretty easy to get going, i had it going in < 1h[15:26:22] <jduggan> it is yea[15:26:34] <dogwater> these days you'd think the major mta's would want to maybe integrate things like that into core[15:26:49] <jduggan> there's good reasons not to[15:26:53] <devcow> <f3ew> any clue on my main.cf[15:26:54] <dogwater> i know sendmail had started integrating some wierd throttling right before i jumped ship[15:26:59] *** rati has quit IRC[15:27:00] *** [2]rati is now known as rati[15:27:11] *** harpal has quit IRC[15:27:12] <jduggan> next thing, you'll be wanting postfix to build in its own pop3d and imapd[15:27:13] *** harpal_ is now known as harpal[15:27:14] <jduggan> :P[15:27:32] *** rati_ has quit IRC[15:28:24] <dogwater> Nah, I really like dovecot :D[15:28:29] *** duki has joined #postfix[15:30:06] <dogwater> eventually I have to build a smarthost box[15:30:23] <dogwater> but thats way in the back of my mind somewhere under building a vmware deployment[15:30:31] <f3ew> devcow, busy killing a spammer[15:30:44] <cpm> Dominian, yup[15:30:52] <rob0> blood[15:30:55] <context> smarthost ?[15:31:13] <context> as far as email goes[15:31:23] <devcow> <f3ew> ???[15:31:30] <context> are think secure and user-centric are mutually exclusive[15:31:34] <devcow> sry simple english plz[15:31:49] * f3ew is trying to kill a spammer account here, aka BUSY[15:32:05] <dogwater> context: Yes, a server folks whom cant setup a secure smtp server can use to relay their mail through.[15:32:07] <devcow> ah i c sry[15:32:20] <dogwater> (i should say folks on my network...)[15:32:32] <context> f3ew: verb, action noun[15:32:36] <context> say it with me[15:32:44] <Dominian> cpm: yup?[15:32:47] * Dominian is confused[15:33:09] <context> dogwater: umm what ?[15:33:18] <rob0> BLOOD[15:33:46] <dogwater> context: nm.[15:33:50] <context> im midly happy with my server. port 25 only, sasl(relay)_auth over tls only[15:34:09] <context> but i want to "route" mail to mailboxs[15:34:41] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix[15:34:43] <context> and maildrop, postdrop whatever are just wierd, i got maildrop running, but learning syntax for them are retardedly over confusing[15:37:10] <context> dogwater: and to debate your response. relaying mail has nothing to do with user-centric[15:39:13] <cpm> Dominian, old guy w/office. (and grey beard, and gut)[15:39:18] <Dominian> hehe[15:40:02] <cpm> who, btw, knows smtp pretty well.[15:40:48] <context> grey beard and office != intelligence[15:40:58] *** baggles has left #postfix[15:41:29] <cpm> context, never said it did[15:41:50] <rob0> hey![15:42:04] <cpm> gut otoh[15:42:06] <cpm> :)[15:42:09] <rob0> tyvm[15:42:31] <cpm> heh[15:42:58] <cpm> context, do you have a towel with you right now? carry one in your laptop case?[15:43:22] * rob0 does!!![15:44:13] * cpm does also[15:44:35] * cpm is also old, grey bearded, has a gut, and an office[15:45:15] * cpm still can't get the darwin kernel to properly forward packets to his vms running in fusion from the internal lan[15:45:46] <dogwater> cpm: at least you dont have to worry about virtuozzo[15:46:32] * rob0 is also old, partly-grey bearded, has a gut, and an office[15:46:49] * e_ is just badly shaved[15:46:58] * cpm can't ollie though[15:47:31] * dogwater is 28, sits at a desk in the data center (which he prefers)[15:47:44] <e_> hehe[15:48:01] * e_ is 26 and sits at a desk at a super fancy office (which he dislikes) in berlin "mitte" ;)[15:49:41] *** DarkOrb has quit IRC[15:52:36] <e_> ...o(silence)[15:52:37] * hparker is glad to see all the kids here so he can slack even more... but not as much as cpm or rob0, they're professional slackers[15:53:07] * rob0 waits for Dominian to jump on that one[15:54:33] <e_> hmm[15:54:35] <e_> slackers[15:54:38] <e_> slacker-war?[15:55:24] <hparker> To old for war[15:55:37] <e_> uhhhh, it's on[15:55:40] * e_ just got surfed[15:56:29] *** [2]rati has joined #postfix[15:57:19] *** rati has quit IRC[15:57:20] *** [2]rati is now known as rati[15:59:38] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[16:10:06] *** githogori has quit IRC[16:10:16] *** clusterer has joined #postfix[16:11:46] *** rati has quit IRC[16:11:46] *** [1]rati is now known as rati[16:14:55] *** Ramattack has joined #postfix[16:14:56] <Ramattack> Hi[16:15:05] *** whombat has joined #postfix[16:15:08] <Ramattack> is very big difference doing after queue or before queue scanning?[16:15:11] *** stew has joined #postfix[16:15:29] <whombat> could you help me with this? : http://tinyurl.com/28q85k[16:17:13] <Ramattack> what have you set...[16:17:16] <rob0> hparker: whombat needs a kickban please[16:17:27] *** clusterer has quit IRC[16:17:30] *** whombat has left #postfix[16:17:42] *** unic0rn has joined #postfix[16:17:43] <Ramattack> Hi rob0 what do you think please?[16:17:53] *** stew has left #postfix[16:18:00] *** unic0rn has left #postfix[16:18:24] <hparker> rob0: I guess I need to be quicker then them bailing on their own :P[16:18:51] <rob0> Ramattack: I've never tried setting up before-queue scanning. It's better in theory because you can reject spam in SMTP. But you can do most of that with normal non-content-based tactics.[16:19:08] <Ramattack> but in performance?[16:19:21] <Ramattack> so amavisd-new default is after queue scan?[16:19:30] <rob0> Reread the first sentence.[16:23:09] <Ramattack> sorry :)[16:29:06] *** c4stro has quit IRC[16:31:59] <Ramattack> rob0, is amavisd-new then by default setting after queue scanning?[16:34:37] <hparker> and the sane way to run it imo unless you have waaayyy more hardware then you need... Which I do atm and run it after queue[16:37:17] *** roxlu has quit IRC[16:37:55] <Ramattack> sorry mean of atm? and imo?[16:39:54] <roe> 'at the moment' 'in my opinion'[16:45:34] <Ramattack> I see...[16:47:41] <Ramattack> thanks :)[16:47:50] <hparker> When you get hit with a run opening a few hundred connections a second you'll appreciate the mail that can be accepted being accepted[16:48:23] <hparker> It may take it a bit to process, but it's better then your system tied up and can't accept anything[16:48:28] <Ramattack> but if mail is waiting for scan because few threads... that won't make increase the cpu too?[16:48:55] <hparker> Not like it will prequeue[16:49:13] <hparker> Test it and see for yourself[16:49:35] <Ramattack> I see...[16:49:40] <Ramattack> and amavisd-new can do that?[16:49:47] <Ramattack> does that by default?[16:50:04] <hparker> I set it up that way once to play with it... went after queue[16:50:35] <Ramattack> sorry what did you mean? sorry for my english[16:51:10] <hparker> i set it up prequeue once to play with it, didn't like what I saw.. easier to manage resources with it after queue[16:51:30] <Ramattack> I see :)[16:51:44] <Ramattack> so the using amavisd-new I'll get after queue scanning?[16:52:40] <hparker> You can configure it either way, after queue is the way most use it[16:53:23] <Ramattack> I have used this http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch[16:53:36] <Ramattack> is this after queue it is not said in this "official" howto[16:53:37] *** ruben_ has joined #postfix[16:53:40] <ruben_> Hello, I have a problem using postfix + maildrop, on maildroprc I use something like mkdir /home/mail/$DOMAIN/$USER, but it does not work any command using that if the user has no homedir, any idea? the same instructions works perfect on debian, fails on gentoo.[16:54:27] *** sepski has joined #postfix[16:55:06] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[16:55:42] <Ramattack> hparker, seem so.. am I wrong?[16:58:04] <hparker> It looks like it, yes[16:58:32] <Ramattack> thanks a lot mate :)[16:58:42] <Ramattack> I'll work hard on it :)[16:58:58] *** ruben_ has quit IRC[16:58:58] <Ramattack> thanks a lot too[16:58:59] <Ramattack> bye!!![16:59:05] <hparker> Ramattack: howtos are nice, but look at the official docs too[16:59:13] <hparker> Learn what you're doing[16:59:17] <Ramattack> yep always[16:59:27] <Ramattack> I have postfix setup will all that staff[16:59:28] <Ramattack> but[16:59:51] <Ramattack> when I said to work hard meant to lear and understand nice... set mysql settings for amavis policies... etc etc[16:59:54] <Ramattack> :)[17:00:10] <hparker> ;)[17:00:33] <Ramattack> do you scan outgoing mail though spam?[17:00:45] <Ramattack> I mean do you scan outgoing mail with spamassassin or dspam?[17:00:50] <Ramattack> I'm not gonna do that[17:01:05] <Ramattack> it's a waste of time imo :)[17:01:25] <hparker> I currently don't scan what comes in via submission[17:01:47] <hparker> As soon as I get wind of a virus that uses credentials i'll go to scanning that as well[17:01:48] <Ramattack> yep... it's another way of doing...[17:02:11] <Ramattack> to get wind?? sorry?[17:02:15] <Ramattack> oh I see[17:02:17] <hparker> Webmail needs scanned, too many keystroke loggers[17:02:20] <Ramattack> a virus that could relay[17:02:30] <Ramattack> but one moment[17:02:31] <hparker> That can login with user/pass[17:02:40] <Ramattack> then you will have disabled auth on 25?[17:03:04] <hparker> I don't do auth on 25, smtp-ssl and submission only[17:03:22] <Ramattack> so in 25 you accept auth via ssl?[17:03:58] <hparker> it's only ssl is to other MTAs[17:04:30] <Ramattack> but anyone could auth via ssl in you're port 25 then and that mail will be scanned with virus and spa[17:04:33] <Ramattack> am I wrong?[17:05:42] <hparker> Well, I don't disallow it so I guess so... client use submission port except some old garbage that'll only use smtp-ssl[17:06:08] * cpm only does submission, tls for auth[17:06:21] * cpm wants hparker to submit[17:06:36] * hparker submits[17:07:14] *** Toerkeium has joined #postfix[17:07:18] <Toerkeium> hello everyone[17:07:27] <Ramattack> ok thanks a lot then mates :)[17:07:28] *** capt-rogers has joined #postfix[17:07:32] * rob0 ties hparker up[17:07:39] <Ramattack> have a nice day :)[17:07:42] <Ramattack> thanks for all[17:07:47] <Ramattack> bye!!![17:07:48] *** Ramattack has quit IRC[17:08:32] <Toerkeium> do you know where should I look to find what's going on? I don't have any related log entry, and I have set smtpd -v in master.cf: relay=none, delay=8, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: unknown mail transport error)[17:11:08] *** j_s has joined #postfix[17:13:01] *** eugeneiso has quit IRC[17:13:44] <devcow> i need a hint why i cant receive emails from outside. under the root server i can post emails to any e-mail account outside i can also receive via imap my mails. i tested many ways and tail -f /var/log/mails dont show any errors.[17:13:45] <hparker> you might want to look at your transports would be my guess[17:13:54] *** ctx144k has quit IRC[17:14:19] <Toerkeium> hparker is everywhere huh[17:14:46] <hparker> heh[17:16:54] <evadave> Oh noes, a feature of Exim has made me like Exim more.[17:17:04] * evadave slaps self[17:21:11] <rob0> "Under the root server" ???[17:21:42] <devcow> hparker transports?[17:21:54] *** Chris-NB has quit IRC[17:22:19] <hparker> !transport[17:22:20] <knoba> hparker: Error: "transport" is not a valid command.[17:22:23] <hparker> !transport_maps[17:22:24] <knoba> hparker: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.[17:22:42] <devcow> ok[17:33:00] *** sean_micken|work has joined #postfix[17:33:46] <sean_micken|work> hey, how does one make postfix try to send all deferred messages again?[17:33:54] *** x-spec-t is now known as Spec[17:39:24] *** rati has quit IRC[17:40:41] *** harpal has quit IRC[17:41:33] *** F|oFF has quit IRC[17:42:19] <cpm> man postqueue, man postsuper[17:43:21] <hparker> man what a mess[17:48:34] *** F|oFF has joined #postfix[17:58:50] *** cutmasta has quit IRC[18:00:35] *** ploploop has joined #postfix[18:04:35] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[18:13:46] *** alys has joined #postfix[18:17:03] *** hemry_ has joined #postfix[18:17:12] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:18:58] <felix_da_catz> Just gotta love TLS.[18:20:10] *** unixcoder has quit IRC[18:24:04] <cpm> solves a lot of horros[18:24:07] <cpm> horrors even[18:29:06] <felix_da_catz> What permissions should my /etc/sasldb2 be? Right now it is owned by root:root and 640[18:29:36] *** githogori has joined #postfix[18:29:39] *** harobed has quit IRC[18:37:22] *** adam33 has quit IRC[18:38:08] *** flami has joined #postfix[18:40:16] *** tehmaze_ has joined #postfix[18:40:37] *** Tig| has quit IRC[18:47:43] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[18:48:23] *** flami has quit IRC[18:49:46] *** Lucky7 has joined #postfix[18:50:06] <Lucky7> What a good, easy to setup, database driven autoreaponder for Postfix?[18:50:29] *** sean_micken|work has left #postfix[18:50:48] <Lucky7> from what I see yaa! seems to be the only option[18:51:06] <Lucky7> besides .forward files, which i want to avoid, I'd rather have a MySQL Software power it[18:51:35] *** Led_Hed has joined #postfix[18:51:48] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[18:52:07] *** tehmaze has quit IRC[18:52:07] *** tehmaze_ is now known as tehmaze[18:52:38] <cpm> Lucky7, I use yaa.pl w/mysql[18:53:06] <cpm> works well[18:53:21] <Led_Hed> I would like to setup postfix to allow mail from a Backup MX. My mail server is already configured and running fine, are there any additional configurations I need to make?[18:56:47] <cpm> Led_Hed, things you need to be aware of, is that mail delivered to your primary mail server from a 'backup' MX will be queued for delivery. Meaning, it will end run any and all ube/uce controls you may have put in place. Therefore, you will need to configure your backup pretty much identically to your primary[18:57:20] <cpm> this includes the backup being aware of the email accounts it will deliver to, to avoid generating backscatter[18:57:39] <cpm> implementing a backup isn't quite the trivial task it once was[18:57:58] <Led_Hed> cpm, I understand. Thanks for the warning[18:58:13] <cpm> yw[18:58:37] <cpm> but otherwise, the primary is aware of the secondary via dns MX records.[18:58:39] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[18:58:44] <cpm> so, not much else needs doing[18:59:16] <Led_Hed> ok, so as long as the DNS/MX is setup correctly, the Main MX requires no modifications[18:59:21] <Led_Hed> Thanks cpm[18:59:27] <cpm> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup[18:59:56] <cpm> the primary will need to be able to accept mail from the secondary, but in essence, no.[18:59:59] <Dominian> thank god I do virtual domains using postfixadmin[19:00:10] <Dominian> I didn't have to do anything with that backup configuration ;)[19:00:12] <Dominian> does it all in mysql[19:00:31] <Led_Hed> Dominian, PostfixAdmin is only a WebUI[19:00:43] <Dominian> Led_Hed: No, really?[19:00:46] * Dominian didn't know htat[19:00:47] <Dominian> oye[19:00:54] <cpm> now what are you going to do?[19:01:34] <Led_Hed> I dont see how PostfixAdmin is that much of a time saver[19:01:41] <Dominian> it is for me[19:02:00] <Led_Hed> all it does is add names to the DB[19:02:09] <Dominian> I just create a domain mark it as a backup mx and commit.. done.[19:02:17] <Dominian> Led_Hed: aye but postfix itself ties into the DB[19:02:22] <Dominian> and voila[19:02:32] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[19:03:00] <Led_Hed> I use to use PostfixAdmin, But now just add the info directly via MySQL Query Browser[19:03:37] <Led_Hed> PA is nice if you dont admin like clui[19:03:45] <Led_Hed> err.[19:03:55] <Dominian> I don't mind CLI[19:04:04] *** |DeuS| has quit IRC[19:04:07] <Dominian> but it makes it easier for my users/clients to manage their own domains so i don'th ave to fuck with it[19:04:14] <Led_Hed> agreed[19:04:17] <Dominian> I add it.. they login[19:04:22] <Led_Hed> and less likely for them to screw it up[19:04:29] <Dominian> yep[19:05:02] <Led_Hed> If you like WebUI's Check out Smoothwall. Great Firewall WebUI/Distro. Shamless Plug[19:05:37] *** Alin has joined #postfix[19:06:53] <Dominian> I've seen it[19:08:48] <Alin> someone online for a little help ?[19:09:39] <Alin> a debian mail server problem ?!?[19:11:02] <sepski> Alin, you have to include more details if you are going to expect answers[19:11:11] <Led_Hed> lol[19:12:34] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[19:14:50] <Alin> yes sorry, i'am @ work now...[19:15:10] <Alin> ok so i've setup a debian linux machine[19:15:31] <Alin> with this tutorial at this web page : http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/[19:15:49] *** CyberCr33p has quit IRC[19:15:57] <Alin> my problem is that i've setup my mysql correct, postfix, the same, and dovecot i belive so.[19:16:41] <Alin> i set up a user password on my email address on mysql, and when i try connectiong to the server, i reveive in the mail.log file the next error[19:17:22] <Alin> Nov 29 19:04:04 apache dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected: Inactivity: user=<Alin>, method=PLAIN, rip=10.10.10.3, lip=x.x.x.x[19:17:48] *** ElzWhere has joined #postfix[19:17:55] <Alin> so on my mail client, that is thunderbird from modzilla, as so as outlook does tells me that the password is not good[19:18:20] *** kreg has joined #postfix[19:18:26] <Alin> and no other hint in the mail.log file... so what to do ?[19:18:58] <sepski> Alin, does the line above say something about aborted login[19:19:05] <kreg> if i have certs available for my smtp, how can I test if other mail servers that i deliver to choose to use them?[19:19:09] <Alin> i belive i'm going mad on this, this is the 3-rd day when i try to find out what is wrong[19:19:18] <kreg> or watch to look for in logs[19:19:37] <sepski> the one above the one you pasted[19:19:52] <Alin> and on my machine the dport 25 and 110 , tcp are oppend[19:20:17] <Alin> sepski no it donen't say anything[19:20:24] <sepski> Alin, i did belive that that howto made usernames in the format user at domain dot com but your log entry say just Alin[19:20:51] <Alin> so it should be alin at domain dot com[19:20:55] <Alin> right ?![19:21:15] <sepski> what's in your database ?[19:21:18] <sepski> use that[19:21:20] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[19:21:34] <ElzWhere> I'm sorry havent been using postfix long and I've already fogotten things. After I blacklist people in my sender_access file. I run postmap hash:sender_access right??? then do I have to restart postfix?[19:21:56] <Dominian> ElzWhere: you just run: postmap sender_access and: postfix reload[19:22:07] <Dominian> so: postmap sender_access[19:22:10] <Dominian> then: postfix reload[19:22:13] <roe> you shouldn't have to reload postfix[19:22:18] <ElzWhere> Dominian Thx alot[19:22:25] <Dominian> roe: shouldn't, but its not going to hurt anything to.[19:22:59] <Alin> sepski in what string are you asking... ? according to the howto there are more then one table[19:23:28] <Alin> tables*[19:24:52] <sepski> SELECT CONCAT(virtual_users.user, '@', virtual_domains.name) AS email, this sets the username together with the domain part and creats the email address. i belive you use the full address for logins[19:25:24] <Alin> ok[19:25:29] <Alin> nup[19:25:38] <Alin> seems to me that's not the point[19:25:45] <Alin> watch this[19:26:01] <Alin> Nov 29 20:18:06 apache dovecot: auth-worker(default): sql(alin at gamesmaniacs dot ro,10.10.10.3): Password query failed: Not connected to database[19:26:01] <Alin> Nov 29 20:18:09 apache last message repeated 2 times[19:26:01] <Alin> Nov 29 20:18:34 apache dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected: user=<alin at gamesmaniacs dot ro>, method=PLAIN, rip=10.10.10.3,[19:26:16] <Alin> :-? it appears that dovecot is the problem[19:26:28] <Alin> problem connecting to mysql[19:26:29] <Alin> am i right ?[19:26:32] <sepski> Not connected to database seams to be very obvious to me[19:28:08] <Alin> ok that's fixed now[19:28:11] <Alin> Nov 29 20:20:59 apache dovecot: Dovecot v1.0.rc15 starting up[19:28:24] <Alin> Nov 29 20:21:01 apache dovecot: auth-worker(default): mysql: Connected to[19:28:33] <Alin> Nov 29 20:21:01 apache dovecot: auth-worker(default): mysql: Connected to x.x.x.x mail[19:29:02] <ElzWhere> when blacklisting can you use a wildcard char? for blocking domains? ex. * at spam dot com Right now I used the ip from their mailserver I hope that will work but just want to make sure.[19:29:35] <Alin> ok so one more time on the first hint gives me this[19:29:40] <Alin> Nov 29 20:22:13 apache dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected: user=<alin at gamesmaniacs dot ro>, method=PLAIN, rip=10.10.10.3, lip=x.x.x.x[19:29:53] <Alin> lip is a public ip[19:30:14] <Alin> Disconnected: user=<alin at gamesmaniacs dot ro>,[19:31:16] <Alin> this is the single thing to output after that modify in the mail.log file, as you can i see i've modified my user-name to my email address and stil no login perrmited[19:31:58] <Alin> this is driving me insane... for real[19:32:50] *** ElzWhere has quit IRC[19:33:07] <sepski> this query from the howto gives you the email address ? SELECT CONCAT(virtual_users.user, '@', virtual_domains.name) AS email ?[19:34:20] <sepski> and testing the sql query from dovecot that is used to query the password cant be bad either, SELECT email as user, password FROM view_users WHERE email='%u'[19:34:45] <sepski> there are several tests in the howto designed to verify you got that step right. have you used those ?[19:34:54] <Alin> yes[19:34:57] <Alin> no problems[19:35:08] <Alin> and yes mysql sees my data correct[19:35:42] <Alin> and as i told before, i have the tcp --dport 25 and 110 opend in iptables firewall[19:37:38] <Alin> understood me ?[19:38:04] <Alin> telnet on localhost on smtp and pop gives me no problems[19:38:09] <Alin> so what's my bad ?[19:38:20] <sepski> then i dont know. check that dovcot hashes the pw correctly ?[19:38:44] <Alin> the password is test[19:38:52] <Alin> how bad can it be ?[19:39:12] <Alin> i've connected with heidisql on the mail data base on mysql[19:39:21] <Alin> and the info and the structure is correct[19:39:55] <Alin> i'am not a nooby on linux, but in this one something's missing[19:40:29] <Alin> and i've googleit and googleit and not a clue[19:43:11] *** ElzWhere has joined #postfix[19:46:16] <sepski> i guess you should hang around until more experienced people wake up[19:49:14] <Alin> ok tnks for the help[19:52:45] *** githogori has quit IRC[19:53:32] *** prebur has quit IRC[19:57:23] <goo> relayhost - is it possible to give multiple hosts there? Will postfix use them in order, or do round robin on them?[19:58:42] *** Led_Hed has quit IRC[19:58:53] *** Judson has joined #postfix[20:00:12] *** ejovrh has quit IRC[20:00:17] *** ejovrh has joined #postfix[20:02:59] <Signum> goo: you can use an A entry with multiple IP addresses for relayhost. postfix will then use them round-robinly[20:05:25] <Judson> I'm having a weird problem with virtual_mailbox_* and virtual_alias_*[20:05:59] <Judson> I've got a domain set up in virtual_mailbox_domains, with several addresses in virtual_mailbox_maps[20:06:26] <Judson> I have one address in virtual_alias_maps[20:06:59] <Judson> Mail to one of the virtual mailboxes is being bounced with "<domain> loops back to myself"[20:07:15] <Signum> !loopback[20:07:16] <knoba> Signum: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[20:07:41] <Judson> Domain is listed in virtual_mailbox_domains[20:07:44] *** prebur has joined #postfix[20:07:56] <Judson> It's a separate hash file. I doublechecked that.[20:08:04] <Signum> Judson: run "postconf virtual_mailbox_domains" and see if it's listed[20:08:54] <Judson> "virtual_mailbox_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_domains"[20:09:10] <Signum> Judson: did you run "postmap /etc/postfix/virtual_domains" to freshen the DB file?[20:09:17] <Judson> Yes.[20:09:28] <Signum> Judson: try "postmap -q hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_domains yourdomain"[20:10:03] *** alys has quit IRC[20:10:20] <Judson> "is_here"[20:10:33] <Judson> Which is the placeholder value I'm using in domain list hashes[20:11:03] <Signum> So far so good. But then postfix shouldn't complain about loopback errors.[20:11:16] <Judson> That's what I thought.[20:12:36] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[20:18:32] *** carl- has joined #postfix[20:18:41] <pickcoder> is anyone here familiar with nis?[20:18:48] <pickcoder> I'm running out of resources...[20:21:23] <Judson> Did these two log lines from a debug mail:[20:21:31] <Judson> resolve_clnt: `' -> `webmaster at paramountstudios dot com' -> transp=`smtp' host=`paramountstudios.com' rcpt=`webmaster at paramountstudios dot com' flags= class=virtual[20:21:41] <Judson> to=<webmaster at paramountstudios dot com>, relay=none, delay=10, delays=0.47/0.01/10/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for paramountstudios.com loops back to myself)[20:22:11] <Judson> Specifically, postfix seems to identified it as a virtual mailbox, but then lists the relay as "non"[20:25:01] <pickcoder> Judson: if you have placeholders in place of real data, how you can test it with real mail?[20:25:16] *** devcow has quit IRC[20:25:23] *** Alin has quit IRC[20:25:27] <Judson> ?[20:25:38] <pickcoder> you said the postmap query said is_her[20:25:41] <pickcoder> *is_here[20:25:44] <Judson> I've got a hash file for virtual_mailbox_domains[20:26:21] <Judson> When postfix looks up against that, it just checks to see is there is an entry, it doesn't care about the value.[20:26:28] <pickcoder> and paramountstudios.com is listed there?[20:26:34] <Judson> Which is why I have "is_here" for the values in that domain.[20:26:42] <Judson> Yes[20:26:50] <pickcoder> is it also listed in mydestinations?[20:26:52] <goo> Signum: cool. That's what we normally use for other MTA's. Just wanted to check if postfix was behaving as the others. Thanks.[20:26:57] <Judson> No[20:30:10] *** panzi has joined #postfix[20:30:16] *** panzi has left #postfix[20:30:39] <pickcoder> A config review is the only way to sort it out[20:31:09] <Judson> http://pastebin.org/9857[20:31:34] <Judson> The domains have been changed, but that's the config[20:33:27] *** zamba has joined #postfix[20:34:06] <zamba> i want to set up postfix as a relayhost for some domains.. the server should have the lowest MX priority for the domain in question, but email shouldn't end its journey at this site.. how can i do this?[20:34:39] <pickcoder> Judson: you don't need @place.com in the virtuals. all you need is joe_smith[20:35:07] <cpm> zamba http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup[20:35:16] <pickcoder> wait s ec[20:35:23] <Judson> The domains are different there.[20:35:48] <Judson> The whole motivation is that I've got one address in this domain that needs to redirect to an outside domain[20:35:54] <pickcoder> place.com is not outside[20:36:00] <pickcoder> it's in mysdestinations[20:36:46] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[20:37:47] <Judson> And honestly, it doesn't need to be.[20:39:01] <Judson> Reduced mydestination to "localhost"[20:39:04] <Judson> No change[20:39:25] <pickcoder> Judson: is the machine called place.com?[20:39:31] *** UQlev has quit IRC[20:39:51] <Judson> mail.place.com, but yes.[20:40:14] <Judson> But there aren't any @mail.place.com addresses[20:40:21] <pickcoder> dig -t MX place.com[20:40:26] <pickcoder> do you see your IP there[20:44:51] <Judson> No[20:45:20] <pickcoder> so where does mail go for place.com?[20:45:23] <pickcoder> if you are mail.place.com[20:46:10] * pickcoder hates ambiguous data when sorting out problems[20:46:21] *** hemry_ has quit IRC[20:46:22] *** Lucky7 has quit IRC[20:46:22] *** F|oFF has quit IRC[20:46:24] *** Toerkeium has quit IRC[20:46:24] *** Predominant has quit IRC[20:46:26] *** e_ has quit IRC[20:46:26] *** adaptr has quit IRC[20:46:26] *** thumbs has quit IRC[20:46:27] *** variable_office has quit IRC[20:46:27] *** altoid has quit IRC[20:47:04] <Judson> Different IT division[20:47:10] *** Lucky7 has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** hemry_ has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** F|oFF has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** Toerkeium has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** Predominant has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** altoid has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** variable_office has joined #postfix[20:47:10] *** e_ has joined #postfix[20:47:23] <pickcoder> well I guess since you won't give out real data you can figure it out yourself[20:47:43] <Judson> Gee, thanks very much pick.[20:48:17] <Judson> And a sincere thanks, Signum. I appreciate the confirmation that I'm not insane at least.[20:49:50] *** Arne_fkaApo has quit IRC[20:49:50] <pickcoder> anyone with NIS background? can't get the master to ypbind to itself so I can dump the tables into LDAP[20:51:49] *** ElzWhere has quit IRC[20:54:18] *** ramoni has quit IRC[20:54:48] *** EE_BB has joined #postfix[20:59:14] <EE_BB> hii all I have a question about postgrey on postfix I didnt understand exaclty that received first mail rejecting but second is accepting and while still able to receive email from same mail server which parameter define this whitelist duration ?[21:00:21] <EE_BB> I guess this is retry-window ??[21:02:30] <Judson> For the record: this was an issue with the transport table[21:02:35] <Judson> * smtp:[21:02:50] <pickcoder> EE_BB: I have no clue what you just tried to say[21:03:09] <Judson> So even email that should have been delivered locally was being sent through smtp, which then complained about the loopback.[21:04:48] <EE_BB> shortly I am saying that postgrey rejected first mail but accept second email that sending after first these are coming from the same mail server[21:05:09] <EE_BB> ok ?[21:05:31] *** mark-use has quit IRC[21:05:38] *** mark-use_ has joined #postfix[21:06:15] <EE_BB> If anybody send two mail in order postgrey denied first but accept second[21:06:39] <EE_BB> a few time later first is delivered[21:07:14] <EE_BB> did I explain ?[21:07:31] <Judson> You made sense.[21:08:04] <Judson> Looking just at the page for Postgrey, it looks like that window is fixed at 5 minutes.[21:08:11] <pickcoder> If I'm not mistaken postgrey matches on a triplet of data, when checking the database for previous greylist.[21:08:37] <pickcoder> source address, destination address, client IP[21:08:42] <EE_BB> whic parameter define this duration ?[21:08:50] <Judson> I don't think there's a parameter.[21:09:16] <Judson> Basically, the concept is that a good mailserver will try every message twice against postgrey, and the second time, it'll get through.[21:09:21] <EE_BB> I think retry-window[21:11:35] <pickcoder> the retry-window is how long the client has to attempt redelivery[21:12:03] <pickcoder> not how long the client has to wait before attempting redelivery[21:12:23] * pickcoder strangles ypbind[21:13:27] <EE_BB> ok Thanks for helps[21:16:02] *** Judson has left #postfix[21:18:04] *** jetole_ has joined #postfix[21:18:26] *** xpoint has quit IRC[21:20:09] *** mark-use_ has quit IRC[21:20:24] *** unixcoder has joined #postfix[21:30:15] *** jetole has quit IRC[21:33:54] *** xpoint has joined #postfix[21:34:10] *** dserban has joined #postfix[21:36:30] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[21:37:34] <Ryushin> I purchased some 15K rpm drives for the purpose of splitting out the queues. I have active, incoming, and deferred on their own drives. But I'm getting an error when starting postfix...[21:37:52] <Ryushin> fatal: qmgr_active_feed: 3A9FB83: rename from incoming to active: Invalid cross-device link[21:38:09] <Ryushin> Does incoming and active have to be on the same disk?[21:39:40] <sysmonk> yes[21:39:49] *** EE_BB has quit IRC[21:40:06] <Ryushin> Bummer, those were filling up the fastest.[21:40:10] <sysmonk> they must be on the same drive for the inodes[21:40:30] <sysmonk> uh, first of all, you shouldn't have queues filling :)[21:40:42] <sysmonk> the solution would be fixing something, what keeps your mails in the queues :)[21:40:56] <Ryushin> Okay. Well, I have 3 15Krpm drives. I have deferred mounted. Should I also mount defer?[21:41:20] <sysmonk> Ryushin: you need speed or you need space?[21:41:21] <Ryushin> The fist of each month, my company processes 1.5 million e-mails.[21:41:26] <Ryushin> Speed[21:41:36] <sysmonk> Ryushin: thought of raid0 ?[21:41:39] <Ryushin> Last month I tracked it to be IO bound.[21:42:36] <Ryushin> Not possible. Has to be raid1. I actually have 8 15K drives made into 4 RAID1's. The root is on one 15K drive, and I have the 3 others.[21:42:49] <Ryushin> So I've mounted one to deferred.[21:42:54] <sysmonk> uh[21:43:08] * sysmonk would do atleast a raid 1+0[21:43:10] <Ryushin> Since I can't mount incoming or active on it's own spindle, should I mount deferr?[21:43:49] <Ryushin> Well, it will be faster to have each active queue on it's own spindle than to raid them.[21:43:50] <sysmonk> Ryushin: i think all the queues need to be on the same partition, but i may be wrong[21:44:10] <Ryushin> If that's the case, then I just go screwed![21:44:15] <Ryushin> got screwed![21:44:55] <sysmonk> !inode[21:44:56] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "inode" is not a valid command.[21:45:12] <sysmonk> would need to search the mailing list for this thing[21:45:20] <sysmonk> there was a thread about this...[21:45:32] <Ryushin> How long ago?[21:47:01] <sysmonk> http://marc.info/?l=postfix-users&m=98640494116087&w=2[21:49:10] *** Spec is now known as x-spec-t[21:49:31] <Lucky7> hey everyone[21:49:39] *** tolecnal_ has joined #postfix[21:49:47] <Lucky7> I'm tryign to figure out how to properly format a message in the vacation database from postfixadmin[21:49:54] <Lucky7> so it'll auto-respond back[21:50:29] <Lucky7> can someone send me just a limit1 example of that db?[21:50:35] <Lucky7> xit'd be greatly appriciated.[21:51:48] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:53:25] <sysmonk> Ryushin: so you've got 8 drives, and have 4 raid1 diskas now ?[21:53:48] <Ryushin> sysmonk: yea. I'm reading the link you sent now.[21:54:07] <sysmonk> Ryushin: i've re-read it ;) and they're offering the same - raid[21:54:16] <sysmonk> if you have 8 drives, 2 for the system - that's 6 left[21:54:43] <sysmonk> i'd do a 1+0 out of those 6 drives[21:55:10] <Dominian> aye[21:55:16] <Dominian> nice and redundant that way[21:55:20] <sysmonk> yup[21:55:26] <Dominian> and hot swappable with the right controller[21:55:27] <sysmonk> better speed and redundancy[21:55:30] <Dominian> aye[21:55:58] <Ryushin> I guess I don't have any choice in the matter but to set up RAID10 for those 6 drives.[21:56:26] <Ryushin> I still don't think it will be as fast as setting up every queue on it's own spindle.[21:56:48] <Ryushin> I think that's something that postfix has to improve on. In fact, it's the only thing I've ever encountered that postfix has to improve on.[21:56:59] <Ryushin> Oh well, time to reconfigure.[21:57:02] *** capt-rogers has quit IRC[21:57:06] <sysmonk> Ryushin: not really[21:57:12] <sysmonk> 1+0 is better than 3xraid1[21:57:46] <Ryushin> my raid card won't do 0+1.[21:57:51] <sysmonk> and about improving ...hmm... it would be a muuuuch slower if you'd copy the files between queues ...[21:58:01] *** oates|zzzZ is now known as oates[21:58:10] <sysmonk> Ryushin: software raid, if possible, then[21:58:14] <Ryushin> sysmonk, well, I have some good examples that shows splitting out the queues will be faster than putting it on a striped raid.[21:58:44] <Ryushin> sysmonk: That didn't occur to me.[21:59:04] <Ryushin> It's not copying files. It's just make a name for the inode and moving it.[21:59:15] <Ryushin> Okay, let me reconfigure the raid.[21:59:40] <sysmonk> Ryushin: i mean, in your situation it would need to copy files[21:59:53] <sysmonk> it can't do a corss-partition inode links[21:59:58] <Ryushin> I'm thinking XFS would be the file system of choice on this.[22:00:20] *** Rawplayer has left #postfix[22:00:26] <sysmonk> splitting queues better then stripped raid - show me! :)[22:00:40] <Ryushin> I had reiserfs originally.[22:00:41] <sysmonk> dunno about xfs, i'm a BSD guy[22:03:05] <Ryushin> Well, let me make an example of my MythTV box. I can recorded more shows simultaneously with each recording going to it's own spindle, then if I have all the drives in a raid0. Once I have 4 or 5 shows recording at the same time, the heads in the raid0 or flying all over the place and I become I/O bound. If each recording is going to it's own spindle, and can record more shows at the same time.[22:04:13] <Ryushin> Same with a database. I can put tables on their own spindles and speed up the database, then if I put the whole database one one raid device.[22:05:18] <sysmonk> strange things you have there[22:05:26] <sysmonk> somehow i've got different results :)[22:05:34] <Ryushin> I guess I'll configure all the drives to be part of the raid and put the whole OS on it. No point in have two 15K drives doing nothing.[22:05:48] <sysmonk> ?[22:05:51] <sysmonk> why doing nothing?[22:06:07] <sysmonk> oh, you're talking about the system drives?[22:06:19] <Ryushin> They are the OS drives. Only postfix will be running, so yea, the system drives will be bored.[22:06:22] *** tolecnal has quit IRC[22:06:23] *** tolecnal_ is now known as tolecnal[22:06:45] <Ryushin> The MythTV community add storage groups to get past the speed limitations of raid0...[22:07:29] *** ackzor has joined #postfix[22:07:31] <Ryushin> You just set aside spindles in the storage groups, and myth uses the least used spindle and scales it from there.[22:08:27] *** ackzor is now known as ack_syn[22:10:41] *** adam33 has joined #postfix[22:12:38] *** mumpitzmann has joined #postfix[22:15:43] *** pitakill_ has joined #postfix[22:17:28] *** adam33 has quit IRC[22:25:09] *** carl- has quit IRC[22:26:16] *** roe is now known as roe_[22:32:40] *** ziyax has quit IRC[22:34:50] *** kexman has joined #postfix[22:35:14] <kexman> not a postfix question . but cc = the users who i send the message dont see the cc ?[22:35:23] <kexman> and vice-versa ?[22:38:42] <growltiger_> bcc[22:43:22] *** diveli has joined #postfix[22:44:58] *** oates has quit IRC[22:45:44] <kexman> bcc is what i am looking for ?[22:45:45] <kexman> thanx[22:47:56] *** tarik has quit IRC[22:48:00] <kexman> bcc recipients can only see the TO and themselfs ? if i understand what a writing on the net is saying. right ?[22:51:12] *** Zeit|awy_ has quit IRC[22:51:34] *** sepski has quit IRC[23:00:19] *** mumpitzmann has quit IRC[23:02:05] *** Supaplex has joined #postfix[23:06:21] *** ek has quit IRC[23:14:54] *** hemry_ has quit IRC[23:19:33] *** pirho has joined #postfix[23:24:34] <growltiger_> postfix/smtp[78646]: panic: descriptor -1 does not fit FD_SETSIZE 1024 <- wtf[23:25:58] *** ploploop has quit IRC[23:26:11] *** unixcoder has quit IRC[23:26:45] *** oates has joined #postfix[23:28:54] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[23:31:53] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[23:32:37] *** cthulfuego has joined #postfix[23:32:53] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[23:33:10] *** cthulfuego is now known as cafuego[23:39:51] *** xpoint has left #postfix[23:40:27] *** ack_syn has quit IRC[23:50:32] *** pitakill_ has quit IRC[23:51:35] *** j_s has quit IRC[23:53:51] *** linux-rox has joined #postfix[23:55:33] <linux-rox> hey guys I am new to linux. And I was trying to setup a spam filter gateway system. The funny thing is I think I got everything up and running. My only questions is how can really tell if spamassassian, clamav, amavisd, are acutally working ? I know postfix is working. But how can I acutally tell everything is being processed with the other software ? Thanks for your time.