November 9, 2007 
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November 9, 2007 [00:03:36] *** Acxty has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** _nalle has joined #postfix[00:04:16] *** ikaro^ has joined #postfix[00:05:22] *** dec_ has joined #postfix[00:05:58] *** faitZ has quit IRC[00:05:59] *** memetic has quit IRC[00:05:59] *** e_ has quit IRC[00:05:59] *** cafuego has quit IRC[00:06:00] *** thumbs has quit IRC[00:06:01] *** hachiya has quit IRC[00:06:01] *** mjoseph has quit IRC[00:06:01] *** Aletheuo has quit IRC[00:06:01] *** kgoetz has quit IRC[00:06:02] *** dec has quit IRC[00:06:02] *** fernando has quit IRC[00:06:02] *** ziyax has quit IRC[00:06:03] *** ikaro has quit IRC[00:06:10] *** memetic has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** fernando has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** mjoseph has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** Aletheuo has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** ziyax has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** ikaro has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** kgoetz has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** dec has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** hachiya has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** cafuego has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** e_ has joined #postfix[00:07:35] *** faitZ has joined #postfix[00:07:57] *** ziyax has quit IRC[00:08:04] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[00:08:21] *** kgoetz has quit IRC[00:08:26] *** dec has quit IRC[00:08:32] *** kgoetz has joined #postfix[00:08:44] *** ziyax has joined #postfix[00:11:08] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[00:11:08] *** aent_ has quit IRC[00:11:09] *** hacim_ has quit IRC[00:11:10] *** greed_ has quit IRC[00:11:10] *** khris has quit IRC[00:11:11] *** ovd has quit IRC[00:11:11] *** shasta has quit IRC[00:11:49] *** pitakill has quit IRC[00:12:32] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[00:16:49] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[00:16:49] *** aent_ has joined #postfix[00:16:49] *** greed_ has joined #postfix[00:16:49] *** ovd has joined #postfix[00:16:49] *** shasta has joined #postfix[00:16:49] *** khris has joined #postfix[00:17:35] *** ovd has quit IRC[00:18:39] <hachiya> anyone here use command line tools to create and administer virtual domains and mailboxes?[00:19:21] <adaptr> with *what* ?[00:19:28] <hachiya> a postfix setup[00:19:29] *** Danielss89 has quit IRC[00:19:32] <adaptr> postfix will create mailboxes as needed[00:19:35] *** ikaro has quit IRC[00:19:52] <hachiya> if i want to add new email accounts to the systemfor example[00:19:53] <adaptr> adding virtual domains usually entails editing main.cf[00:20:09] <hachiya> i have it setup using mysql[00:20:10] <adaptr> ditto for virtual mailboxes[00:20:20] <adaptr> and you couldn't mention this before ?[00:20:23] <hachiya> the vpopmail web interface has been working[00:20:29] <hachiya> but i'm wondering if there are command line tools[00:20:36] <adaptr> you think postfix has some genetic connection to mysql ?[00:20:39] *** pitakill has quit IRC[00:20:47] <rob0> There are mysql CLI tools. Why ask here?[00:20:54] <hachiya> here's the question[00:21:06] <adaptr> only now ? :P[00:21:09] <hachiya> as there are things like vpopmail to administer accounts through the web, is there a cli tool?[00:21:21] *** ovd has joined #postfix[00:21:24] <adaptr> yes, it's called "mysql"[00:21:50] *** hacim has joined #postfix[00:21:52] <hachiya> what a stupid answer, obviously i'm looking for something more than that, and so are other people. otherwise people wouldn't write things like the vmailadmin web interface[00:21:53] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[00:21:55] *** greed has joined #postfix[00:22:06] <hachiya> we'd all manually use mysql[00:22:11] <rob0> Postfix provides a query tool, not a data manipulation tool.[00:22:27] <adaptr> a web interface for managing mysql-configured postfix domains constsis of at least postfix. mysql, apache, and perl or php - not one tool combines all these resources except... a web interface[00:22:32] <rob0> Stupid answer? That deserves an /ignore[00:22:41] <hachiya> so i'm asking, IS there a tool out there to do command line based administration of virtual accounts?[00:22:48] <adaptr> indeed[00:22:56] <adaptr> you're looking to complete the set ?[00:23:29] <adaptr> I gave you your answer; if you don't appreciate it then you can obviously do whatever you like[00:23:34] <hachiya> vmailadmin manages accounts, but through a web interface. i'm wondering if there is one that doesn't do it through a web interface[00:23:46] <adaptr> however, I guarantee you I won't be involved in any of it[00:24:17] <hachiya> the question isn't that hard to understand but you are pretending it is, i don't know why[00:24:23] <hachiya> you must be on your butt too long[00:24:47] *** memetic has quit IRC[00:24:48] *** _pixmap has quit IRC[00:24:50] *** idioterna has quit IRC[00:24:51] *** phnord has quit IRC[00:24:51] *** roxlu_ has quit IRC[00:24:52] *** chrisq has quit IRC[00:24:52] *** lysander has quit IRC[00:24:52] *** jpalmer has quit IRC[00:24:52] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[00:25:36] <adaptr> consider yourself lucky I don't have op in here, /ignored[00:25:42] <hachiya> a tool for managing mysql-configured postfix domains consists of at least postfix, mysql, and a scripting language - i am looking for a tool that combines these resources[00:25:51] <rob0> hparker has ops[00:25:52] <hachiya> is that so hard to understand[00:25:55] *** jpalmer has joined #postfix[00:26:56] <Motoko-chan> postfixadmin[00:27:03] <Motoko-chan> Written in PHP.[00:27:30] <hachiya> Motoko-chan: thank you, how did you ever understand my convoluted question?[00:27:35] <rob0> Does that have a CLI interface?[00:27:40] <hachiya> i'll check out postfixadmin[00:27:44] <rob0> Just web, is it not?[00:27:48] *** greed_ has quit IRC[00:28:18] <Motoko-chan> web-only[00:28:30] *** memetic has joined #postfix[00:28:30] *** _pixmap has joined #postfix[00:28:30] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[00:28:31] *** lysander has joined #postfix[00:28:31] *** chrisq has joined #postfix[00:28:31] *** idioterna has joined #postfix[00:28:31] *** phnord has joined #postfix[00:28:31] *** roxlu_ has joined #postfix[00:28:34] <Motoko-chan> Although I can't get quota working with it properly. I think it is a bug in the svn.[00:28:36] *** _pixmap_ has joined #postfix[00:28:36] *** _pixmap has quit IRC[00:28:58] * Motoko-chan needs to work on getting vacation working under it[00:29:39] <hachiya> i liked vmailadmin, but the website has been down for months,so it must no longer be under development,and it also has no cli[00:30:11] <Motoko-chan> hachiya, http://vmailadmin.sourceforge.net/[00:30:30] <Motoko-chan> Last updated in 2000 it seems[00:30:59] <Motoko-chan> 2001[00:31:15] <Motoko-chan> postfixadmin is getting lots of work at the moment for a new stable release.[00:31:53] *** pitakill has quit IRC[00:32:03] *** unixtippse has quit IRC[00:32:36] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[00:33:18] *** unixtippse has joined #postfix[00:33:46] <hachiya> Motoko-chan: there was another vmailadmin which was newer, at vmailadmin.org[00:33:58] <hachiya> it's pretty nice, i still use it, but the site is no longer there[00:37:00] <Motoko-chan> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vipmin[00:37:04] <Motoko-chan> Files on there.[00:37:14] <Motoko-chan> Up to 1.1 RC8[00:38:06] *** unixtippse has quit IRC[00:38:22] *** unixtippse has joined #postfix[00:39:59] <Motoko-chan> There are some links to other tools at http://www.postfix.org/addon.html[00:43:55] <hachiya> hm, didn't know there were files for vmailadmin on sf, thanks Motoko-chan[00:46:07] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[00:49:16] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[00:49:25] *** Twinkletoes has quit IRC[00:50:02] *** Twinkletoes_ has joined #postfix[00:51:54] *** pitakill has quit IRC[00:56:07] <k-man_> i'm using Maildir[00:56:26] <k-man_> but postfix doesn't seem to make the Maildir folder automaticaly for new users[00:56:31] <k-man_> is that normal?[00:56:35] <adaptr> very[00:56:39] <adaptr> you have two options[00:56:48] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix[00:57:08] <adaptr> 1. wait until postfix creates it when mail is received, or the user accesses his mailbox[00:57:13] <adaptr> 2. create it yourself[00:57:25] <dragonheart> or pam_mkhomedir.so[00:57:30] <adaptr> I usually choose 3. create Maildirs in /etc/skel[00:57:38] <adaptr> or, rather, one maildir[00:57:45] <adaptr> as that's all you need to do[00:57:56] <dragonheart> yep 3 is good.[00:58:07] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[00:58:17] <k-man_> so just do mkmaildir in /etc/skel?[00:58:23] <adaptr> as root, yes[00:58:32] <adaptr> maildirmake, actually - but it depends on your MDA[00:58:34] <rob0> It's only a problem if they try an IMAP login before mail is received.[00:58:46] <adaptr> neither, as IMAP will also auto-create it[00:59:00] <adaptr> only POP fails - miserably :)[00:59:04] <rob0> ah[00:59:13] <adaptr> but then, who still uses POP ?[00:59:15] <k-man_> well[00:59:19] <k-man_> i did send emails to that user[00:59:24] <k-man_> and that didn't seem to make the Maildir[00:59:30] <adaptr> rob0 actually, the maildir commands are usually part of the MDA distribution[00:59:31] <rob0> why not? LOGS[00:59:38] <adaptr> k-man_ then your settings may be incorrect[00:59:49] <k-man_> adaptr, maybe....[00:59:56] <k-man_> which setting should I look for?[01:00:06] <adaptr> !home_mailbox[01:00:07] <knoba> adaptr: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.[01:00:09] <rob0> look for ** LOGS **[01:00:15] <adaptr> and those, yeah[01:03:01] <dragonheart> adaptr: if your using pam - that can create it[01:03:30] <dragonheart> add "session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0022" to the approprate /etc/pam.d/{file>[01:03:33] <adaptr> dragonheart but i don't need to :)[01:03:45] <k-man_> adaptr, well, i don't have that setting in my main.cf[01:03:48] <dragonheart> ok[01:04:02] <k-man_> so it should be "home_mailbox = Maildir"?[01:04:48] <rob0> 23:56 < k-man_> i'm using Maildir[01:05:06] <adaptr> it should be exactly what you named them - if neither has happened yet, you are free to choose, but Maildir, maildir, mail, .maildir, .Maildir are all usual choices[01:05:12] <rob0> How do YOU think you told it to use maildir? And what is wrong with looking in LOGS?[01:05:17] <adaptr> heh[01:05:26] <k-man_> rob0, well i migrated the Maildir folders from an older system[01:05:27] <adaptr> don't get your blood pressure up[01:05:35] <k-man_> rob0, this is the first time i have added a new user[01:05:38] <adaptr> oh, well, that'll work fine then[01:05:52] <adaptr> none of them will work either, since they need exactly the right permissions[01:06:00] <k-man_> all the old users emails are working fine in $home/Maildir[01:06:05] <adaptr> the chances of which are pretty atronomical[01:06:10] <adaptr> +s[01:06:10] <k-man_> well, its working[01:06:15] <k-man_> fully[01:06:18] <adaptr> so you also copied the passwd file[01:06:21] <k-man_> yes[01:06:27] <k-man_> and groups[01:06:34] <adaptr> and you also understand that that is the only reason WHY it's working[01:06:37] <rob0> and $HOME/Maildir ($home != $HOME, BTW) is a mbox file, I bet.[01:08:23] <k-man_> well[01:08:28] <k-man_> believe it or not, it is working[01:08:31] <k-man_> as Maildirs[01:08:52] <k-man_> anyway, the setting should be as above?[01:09:27] <k-man_> or should i put $HOME/Maildir?[01:10:32] <k-man_> ah, trailing / means maildir as opposed to mbox[01:11:50] *** pitakill has quit IRC[01:12:32] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[01:12:33] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[01:14:32] <adaptr> well, yes, that is what the MANUAL tells you[01:14:43] <adaptr> so we can assume you've read it ?[01:14:44] *** Supaplex_ has joined #postfix[01:14:48] <k-man_> seems like it[01:14:57] *** Supaplex has quit IRC[01:15:01] <adaptr> that might've been shorter....[01:15:07] <k-man_> maybe[01:15:10] *** Supaplex_ is now known as Supaplex[01:15:16] <k-man_> but then i wouldn't have anything to talk to you guys about[01:16:23] <adaptr> true[01:18:18] *** pitakill has quit IRC[01:19:20] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[01:25:10] *** pitakill has quit IRC[01:28:08] <k-man_> well, something strange is happening with this new user, emails seem to be delivered to postfix, but they never appear in the user's mail folder[01:28:17] <k-man_> i'm not sure where they are going[01:28:23] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[01:29:28] <adaptr> READ THE LOGS[01:30:09] <k-man_> well, i am reading them... it seems as though postfix receives the email and hands it off to procmail...[01:30:16] <rob0> sheesh[01:30:18] <k-man_> maybe thats the problem?[01:30:31] <adaptr> well, what do *you* think ?[01:30:40] <rob0> Could have told you that a half hour ago.[01:30:47] <k-man_> yeah, could be[01:31:11] <k-man_> ahh.. thats the problem[01:31:38] <k-man_> all my old users have a procmail script to deliver to Maildir[01:32:03] <k-man_> i should deliver directly instead of using procmail though[01:32:15] <k-man_> this is a legacy from the old system[01:32:57] *** Supaplex has quit IRC[01:34:35] <k-man_> so is it possible to set up postfix to deliver using procmail if .procmailrc exists in the user's home folder, but just deliver directly to a Maildir folder if there is no .procmailrc?[01:35:53] <rob0> No, but you could put .forward files in the .procmailrc users' $HOME. Or, mailbox_command_maps .[01:36:08] <adaptr> neato[01:36:14] <rob0> see local.8.html ("man local")[01:37:11] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[01:38:11] <k-man_> thanks rob0[01:42:13] <k-man_> i think the .forward option is best for me as I'm the only one who uses procmail[01:44:10] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[01:54:38] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[01:58:05] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[01:58:30] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[01:58:38] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[01:59:35] *** Supaplex has joined #postfix[02:03:08] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[02:03:35] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[02:04:31] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[02:05:04] *** jelly-home has joined #postfix[02:06:34] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[02:06:59] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[02:09:59] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[02:10:49] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[02:10:50] *** deemon has joined #postfix[02:17:33] *** war has quit IRC[02:21:23] <alamar_> I added "virtual_create_maildirsize = yes" to my main.cf but there are no maildirsize files in the virtual users' directories[02:21:44] <alamar_> Is there anything else I have to add to the main.cf?[02:22:08] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[02:24:23] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[02:27:32] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[02:28:26] *** black_johhny has joined #postfix[02:35:26] *** black_johhny has quit IRC[02:37:44] *** pirho has quit IRC[02:45:06] *** ziyax has quit IRC[02:46:50] *** christopher_ has joined #postfix[03:05:09] *** Tachy_ has joined #postfix[03:16:46] *** etaylor has joined #postfix[03:18:13] *** Tachy has quit IRC[03:20:19] <christopher_> Hello, I'm trying to setup virtual_alias_maps with mysql using postfix and dovecot. The problem is when I sent test mail it goes straight to the virtual mailbox (which I am able to receive and send via the virtual mailbox) when I am trying to have it redirect to gmail. So, with this virtual mapping: chris at x dot com -> chris at gmail dot com mail currently goes straight to chris at x dot com. I have tested queries within mysql and usi[03:20:20] <christopher_> ng postmap, everything appears to be joined properly. I'm using http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#virtual-alias-maps as a guide.[03:20:21] *** githogori has quit IRC[03:28:52] <k-man_> i have set up postfix to require tls and authentication[03:29:05] <k-man_> how can i test it will refuse non authenticated attemts to use it?[03:29:10] <k-man_> attempts[03:56:41] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|afk[04:02:43] *** Predom[Ubiquitou is now known as Predominant[04:28:58] *** aent_ has quit IRC[04:41:24] *** diveli has quit IRC[05:10:30] *** ming_zym has left #postfix[05:14:10] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[05:16:11] *** andi__ has joined #postfix[05:18:12] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[05:33:43] *** phnord has quit IRC[06:03:07] *** _Tino is now known as Tinozaure[06:20:49] *** pitakill has quit IRC[06:27:22] *** lkthomas has joined #postfix[06:27:26] <lkthomas> hey guys[06:27:34] <lkthomas> if I want to block domain.com sending me email[06:27:37] <lkthomas> what should I do ?[06:28:29] <Dominian> !access[06:28:30] <knoba> Dominian: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[06:30:21] <lkthomas> Dominian: check helo access should work, thanks[06:30:33] *** amrit|afk is now known as amrit[06:32:29] <lkthomas> Dominian: if I want to block *.domain.com , on helo_access file I should just use domain.com DENY , correct ?[06:33:50] <lkthomas> guys[06:34:08] <lkthomas> I don't understand why most of the email sent out having problem as connection timed out[06:34:27] <Dominian> yeah i would think so[06:35:17] <lkthomas> even with big provider such as yahoo, hotmail and gmail, they all suffering lost connection while sending message body[06:38:20] <f3ew> lkthomas fix your network[06:38:33] <lkthomas> so it is not postfix problem ?[06:39:31] <f3ew> ??[06:39:34] <f3ew> no[06:47:59] *** githogori has joined #postfix[06:48:48] <lkthomas> actually[06:48:54] <lkthomas> some server just very far away[06:49:00] <lkthomas> and got poor connection[06:49:07] <lkthomas> should I increase timed out value ?[06:52:02] *** sh0wt1me has joined #postfix[06:59:52] <christopher_> i posted a problem a few hours, and got it working, if anyone is interested dont have -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings if you're trying to use virtual maps[06:59:57] <christopher_> duh[07:06:00] <lkthomas> looks like after the connection have been fixed[07:06:03] <lkthomas> postfix works fine again[07:10:54] *** k-man_ has quit IRC[07:14:32] *** rokra has joined #postfix[07:16:18] *** pixelmonkey has joined #postfix[07:16:52] <pixelmonkey> hi folks. I am trying to get sender_dependent_relayhost_maps working with smtp_sender_dependent_authentication, but I'm running into a brick wall.[07:17:08] <pixelmonkey> the relayhost_maps part is clearly working, I can see from the log files that my sepcified SMTP server and port number is being hit[07:17:35] <pixelmonkey> but the server is asking for authentication credentials, and postfix isn't giving them, even though they are present in my sasl_passwd file, configured with sasl_password_maps[07:19:41] <pixelmonkey> I get: "00D91E7F09: to=<**** at nyu dot edu>, relay=smtp.nyu.edu[128.122.108.240]:587, delay=0.13, delays=0.05/0.04/0.04/0, dsn=5.7.0, status=bounced (host smtp.nyu.edu[128.122.108.240] said: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required (in reply to MAIL FROM command))"[07:26:07] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[07:33:00] *** thumbs has quit IRC[07:42:49] *** aozturk has joined #postfix[07:45:04] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[07:50:04] *** aozturk has quit IRC[07:56:39] <lkthomas> LOL[08:09:02] *** hparker has quit IRC[08:11:22] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[08:14:16] *** pixelmonkey has quit IRC[08:18:33] *** e^ipi has joined #postfix[08:18:36] <e^ipi> howdy[08:18:55] *** darknighter has joined #postfix[08:19:06] *** darknighter has left #postfix[08:23:26] *** hparker has joined #postfix[08:27:10] *** keanne has quit IRC[08:41:23] *** mbainter has left #postfix[09:01:47] *** hparker has quit IRC[09:17:37] *** _pixmap_ is now known as _pixmap[09:18:02] *** harobed has joined #postfix[09:21:37] *** traxx_ has joined #postfix[09:21:48] *** traxx has quit IRC[09:23:18] *** af_ has joined #postfix[09:23:25] *** erkanoz has joined #postfix[09:25:32] <erkanoz> hi, i am a new linux users. yesterday, i upgdated postfix. Now postfix is very slow.[09:25:55] *** ^Willie^Laptop has joined #postfix[09:32:22] *** traxx_ has quit IRC[09:34:18] *** traxx has joined #postfix[09:34:54] *** amrit is now known as amrit|zzz[09:34:58] <f3ew> erkanoz define slow?[09:35:11] *** e^ipi has left #postfix[09:35:28] <sysmonk> f3ew: it parses only 200 mails per second! ;([09:36:41] <erkanoz> i sented gmail, about 10 min mail sent.[09:38:10] *** sepski has joined #postfix[09:38:39] <f3ew> What's in the logs? what else changed?[09:43:11] <erkanoz> http://paste-it.net/4426 my config[09:50:46] *** meandtheshell has joined #postfix[09:51:09] *** ^Willie^Laptop has quit IRC[09:53:36] *** javiers has joined #postfix[09:53:40] *** javiers is now known as jssa[09:54:12] *** Kartagis has joined #postfix[09:54:25] <jssa> Hi. I'm a little confused on the (in)convenience of using "noatime" for the Postfix queues directory. Can someone help me with this?[09:54:54] <f3ew> jssa, noatime increases performance[09:55:38] <jssa> Yes, f3ew, but I've also saw some mail threads (including messages from Vietse Venema) saying there are some issues with "noatime"[09:56:05] <f3ew> jssa postfix has workarounds for those[09:56:10] *** ^Willie^Laptop has joined #postfix[09:56:28] <f3ew> erkanoz and?[09:57:05] *** rokra has quit IRC[09:57:36] <jssa> f3ew: can you check this? http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2007-09/0994.html[10:00:50] <erkanoz> f3ew i think my postfix config wrong. Because it's very slow..[10:01:01] <f3ew> erkanoz _show logs_[10:01:25] *** war has joined #postfix[10:01:26] <erkanoz> http://paste-it.net/4426 my postfix config,[10:01:38] <sysmonk> erkanoz: we don't need the config, we need LOGS[10:02:06] <erkanoz> understand[10:02:14] <erkanoz> but logs is very big[10:02:17] <jssa> It is safe to use "noatime" for Postfix queues?[10:05:20] <erkanoz> /var/log/mail.log is very big[10:05:30] <erkanoz> how can i sent it ?[10:06:03] <sysmonk> erkanoz: grep the email you sent to from the logfile[10:06:23] <sysmonk> i.e. you sent it to erkanoz at gmail dot com, then grep erkanoz at gmail dot com /var/log/mail.log[10:06:26] <sysmonk> and pastebin it[10:06:41] <erkanoz> ok[10:10:47] *** Edward123 has joined #postfix[10:11:57] <erkanoz> http://paste-it.net/4428[10:12:00] <erkanoz> my log[10:15:41] <erkanoz> f3ew my logs[10:15:46] <erkanoz> http://paste-it.net/4428[10:17:12] * sysmonk still opens the pastebin, my ipv6 is down at the moment ;/[10:17:15] <f3ew> grep 0F0136CF5F3 /var/log/maillog[10:19:51] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[10:19:55] <erkanoz> http://paste-it.net/4429[10:19:56] *** lkthomas has quit IRC[10:22:31] <erkanoz> f3ew[10:26:52] <f3ew> Nov 9 10:00:47 aktifmail postfix/smtp[1031]: 0F0136CF5F3: to=<ibrahimcaliskan at ixir dot com>, relay=none, delay=239229, delays=239190/9.5/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to ixir.com[212.252.113.103]: Connection timed out) <=== this is a network problem[10:26:55] <f3ew> not a Postfix issue[10:27:15] <erkanoz> postfix to wait sent mail[10:28:52] *** phnord has joined #postfix[10:30:12] <f3ew> erkanoz , _NOT_ a Postfix issue[10:30:18] <f3ew> it's a network problem[10:36:29] <^Willie^Laptop> hi there[10:36:51] <^Willie^Laptop> someone here who can help/advice with my postfix setup ..[10:37:07] <f3ew> ask[10:38:26] <^Willie^Laptop> atm i use smtpd_proxy_filter= for my clamav setup with postfix this works like a milter do ..[10:38:49] <^Willie^Laptop> virus found .. send an error .. no virus found send an 250 to the mta that try to deliver email at our servers ..[10:39:18] <^Willie^Laptop> is it posible to combine content_filter= and smtpd_proxy_filter= in the same postfix instance ?[10:42:18] *** af_ has quit IRC[10:43:11] <^Willie^Laptop> f3ew: is it posible[10:44:27] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[10:45:40] <f3ew> Yes[10:45:50] <f3ew> What's stopping you?[10:46:18] <^Willie^Laptop> that the content filter get skipped when i use the smtpd proxy[10:47:43] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:52:47] <^Willie^Laptop> smtp inet n - n - - smtpd -v[10:52:48] <^Willie^Laptop> -o smtpd_proxy_filter=127.0.0.1:10025[10:52:51] <^Willie^Laptop> -o smtpd_client_connection_count_limit=10[10:52:52] <^Willie^Laptop>[10:54:07] <f3ew> ^Willie^Laptop, so -o content_filter as an option for the REINECTION smtpd[10:54:08] <^Willie^Laptop> when i add -o content_filter={my spamassassin stuff via spamd} before or afther the smtpd lines is it not make any change in postfix at all .. and i do restart postfix afther each change ..[10:54:19] <^Willie^Laptop> then it start looping[10:55:07] *** erkanoz has left #postfix[10:56:25] *** remix_tj has joined #postfix[10:56:32] *** Mavvie has quit IRC[10:57:19] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[10:59:55] *** alienseer23 has joined #postfix[11:01:36] <remix_tj> hi, i'm using postfix with Active Directory's LDAP[11:01:47] <remix_tj> and i need to generate the maildir starting from the email kept by the ldap query.[11:01:57] <remix_tj> the maildir for user@domain is in domain/user/[11:02:02] <remix_tj> How can I do it?[11:02:13] <remix_tj> do I need an external program[11:02:39] <remix_tj> or can be done with some magic feature of postfix?[11:11:36] <Kartagis> Nov 9 12:18:01 ozses postfix/smtpd[24572]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[85.109.11.89]: 450 4.1.8 <erkanoz at aktifmail dot net>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found; from=<erkanoz at aktifmail dot net> to=<kartagis at kunduz dot org> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail.aktifmail.net> <--- why did I get this even though domain exists?[11:12:08] *** sh0wt1me has quit IRC[11:12:25] <hooch> Kartagis: dns problem ?[11:12:27] *** sh0wt1me has joined #postfix[11:13:36] <Kartagis> nope[11:13:41] <sysmonk> anyone using perdition ?[11:13:42] <Kartagis> brb, lunch[11:16:23] *** githogori has quit IRC[11:18:12] <jduggan> is it possible to do transport maps based on sasl username?[11:19:18] *** duki has joined #postfix[11:19:21] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[11:23:10] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[11:23:31] *** marc7 has joined #postfix[11:23:38] *** alienseer23 has left #postfix[11:29:56] *** Mavvie has joined #postfix[11:30:18] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[11:40:30] *** marc7 has quit IRC[11:42:05] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[11:43:52] *** solar_ant has joined #postfix[11:48:06] *** remix_tj has left #postfix[11:48:07] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[11:54:00] *** wdp has quit IRC[11:56:37] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:57:51] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[12:02:12] *** adaptr has quit IRC[12:02:33] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[12:04:40] *** aozturk has joined #postfix[12:08:39] *** aozturk has quit IRC[12:08:47] *** aozturk has joined #postfix[12:15:28] *** hing has joined #postfix[12:15:29] *** higuita has quit IRC[12:20:40] *** werewolf has joined #postfix[12:21:35] *** adam33 has joined #postfix[12:25:58] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[12:26:37] *** werewolf has quit IRC[12:33:32] *** Twinkletoes_ has quit IRC[12:33:59] *** Twinkletoes has joined #postfix[12:41:34] *** adam33 has quit IRC[12:45:40] *** jelly has quit IRC[12:46:17] *** R1ck has quit IRC[12:48:04] *** R1ck has joined #postfix[12:50:10] *** jssa has quit IRC[13:09:37] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[13:10:06] *** sepski has quit IRC[13:12:04] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[13:14:48] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[13:25:36] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:27:13] *** jelly has joined #postfix[13:53:23] *** cpm has joined #postfix[13:55:08] *** havvg has joined #postfix[13:57:38] <jduggan> so does anyone know if u can do transports based on sasl username?[14:01:33] <rob0> Yeah, I've seen you ask that a few times. The only thing I know is sender_dependent_relayhost_maps, sounds ugly.[14:01:55] <rob0> that would be keyed by SENDER not the sasl userneame.[14:02:06] <rob0> So, a forged sender address ...[14:03:01] *** milligan has joined #postfix[14:03:21] <milligan> Using postfixadmin, can I add an alias that forwards an email to several recipients ?[14:05:57] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[14:06:11] <jduggan> gah thats gay[14:06:18] *** die_z has joined #postfix[14:06:30] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[14:06:47] <jduggan> my boss wants to come up with a solution of gettin our larger customers to relay using another IP, so it doesnt affect our other customers should that IP get blacklisted[14:06:58] <jduggan> i thought i could do transport maps based on sasl user :o[14:07:05] <jduggan> guess it's not so simple..[14:10:56] <rob0> separate instances. And a zero tolerance policy for spammers.[14:13:29] <rob0> Blacklisting (SBL) is likely to occur based on the SWIP'ed netblock, so the boss's plan is ... well, something a boss would have thought up.[14:13:58] <rob0> If Spamhaus thinks you're hosting spammers, wham.[14:14:40] <rob0> I have a host in a /22 at a cheap hosting site. Sure enough, they were hosting spammers, and guess what happened to me?[14:15:12] <rob0> (apparently that issue is resolved now)[14:15:43] *** hparker has joined #postfix[14:20:27] <jduggan> haha[14:20:30] <jduggan> i did raise that[14:20:42] <jduggan> that its normally a whole /24 minimum thats blocked[14:21:06] <jduggan> but hotmail/yahoo/aol etc do it per IP[14:22:34] <jduggan> we already have a zero tolerance policy[14:22:40] <jduggan> with throttling etc[14:22:45] * wdp would define prices for the customers "removal of our ip's from blacklists cost 199 euro per removal, if you're involved"[14:22:53] <wdp> that will help.. really.. :p[14:24:17] <rob0> Much higher. At least a grand, and a per-hour fee.[14:28:00] <rob0> How big is your netspace? If it's really large, and all in one whois record, they *might* blacklist it by /24. But if it's not big, the whole thing is on the line.[14:29:54] <jduggan> we're an LIR[14:30:06] <jduggan> we've plenty of netspace[14:30:11] <jduggan> under various AS's[14:37:14] <f3ew> nice[14:37:20] <f3ew> which LIR?[14:39:44] <jduggan> you mean for which RIR?[14:39:47] <jduggan> RIPE[14:44:41] <R1ck> i'm a LIR too.. just got our first assignment a few months ago :)[14:54:41] *** sh0wt1me has quit IRC[14:54:59] *** sh0wt1me has joined #postfix[15:01:42] <milligan> Using postfixadmin, can I add an alias that forwards an email to several recipients ?[15:02:33] <stpierre> if someone sends mail to "" at mydomain dot com, it winds up in my mailbox, presumably because postmaster@... delivers to me. how can I stop that from happening?[15:04:06] <f3ew> stpierre, reject mail for unknown users[15:04:13] <stpierre> f3ew: I do.[15:04:33] <stpierre> sending mail to, say, non_existant_account at mydomain dot com doesn't work[15:04:36] <milligan> stpierre, you haven't set up a catch-all account ?[15:04:41] <jduggan> stop using catch alls?[15:04:42] <milligan> ah, right[15:04:43] <f3ew> then why are you accepting mail for "" at example dot com ?[15:04:46] <stpierre> milligan: nope. no catch-all.[15:04:50] <stpierre> f3ew: that's my question :)[15:04:53] *** ^Willie^Laptop has quit IRC[15:05:11] <f3ew> stpierre, what was _logged_?[15:05:27] <f3ew> What's there in the X-Original-To header?[15:06:42] <stpierre> there is no X-Original-To header.[15:06:47] <stpierre> Currently scrubbing logs for pasting.[15:07:34] *** misty_wrk has joined #postfix[15:07:43] <misty_wrk> good morning[15:07:58] <misty_wrk> does postfix have a way to disallow root from logging into the smtp server?[15:08:11] <misty_wrk> I'm looking for something similar to what ssh has[15:08:13] <f3ew> misty_wrk, errrr?[15:08:27] <f3ew> what do you mean by logging in?[15:08:54] <stpierre> http://www.pastebin.ca/767128[15:09:29] *** rikur has quit IRC[15:10:50] <misty_wrk> hmm you know, I don't know[15:10:55] <misty_wrk> I was thinking of the imap server I guess[15:11:01] <misty_wrk> I suppose root needs to be able to send mail[15:11:26] <misty_wrk> silly me[15:12:03] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix[15:12:14] <f3ew> and postconf -n?[15:12:17] *** xDie has joined #postfix[15:13:40] <misty_wrk> me?[15:13:45] <stpierre> http://www.pastebin.ca/767138[15:13:49] <misty_wrk> oh[15:14:20] *** zoid has joined #postfix[15:14:23] <rob0> http://www.pastebin.ca/767128 looks like clamsmtpd is changing the recipient? Or is there virtual(5) aliasing?[15:15:58] <stpierre> where do you see that clamsmtpd is changing the recipient? when it's reinjected into postfix, it still has @nebrwesleyan.edu as the recipient: "to=< at nebrwesleyan dot edu>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10025"[15:16:05] <f3ew> to=<stpierre at mirni dot NebrWesleyan.edu>, orig_to=< at nebrwesleyan dot edu> <=== should not happen[15:16:37] <stpierre> yeah, but that's not clamsmtpd. it looks like that's happening at (or around) LMTP.[15:17:05] *** misty_wrk has left #postfix[15:17:29] <f3ew> that's a local_recipient_maps lookup query result[15:17:44] <f3ew> Are you sure your ldap works correctly?[15:17:58] <stpierre> yes[15:18:15] <Edward123> yarr, ldap[15:18:42] <stpierre> this has been delivering mail (largely successfully) for about a year and a half; I've just recently got annoyed enough by people with malformed address books with blank entries that I'm doing something about it. :)[15:18:56] <f3ew> stpierre, I suspect it might be the LDAP lookup[15:18:56] <zoid> it's possible to put bogofilter before amavisd-new (or inside), i need to do that because i want to use mailzu, a web interface for amavis quarantine[15:19:32] <stpierre> I ran postmap -q @nebrwesleyan.edu <local_recipient_maps> and it returned 1, no records found[15:21:13] <f3ew> and postmap -q "" at nebrwesleyan dot edu ldap:/... ?[15:21:20] <stpierre> http://www.pastebin.ca/767147[15:21:33] <stpierre> same thing[15:21:38] <stpierre> adding the quotes didn't change it[15:22:11] <f3ew> that only looks it up in the first map[15:22:11] <f3ew> you have to query each indvidually[15:23:32] <stpierre> same result[15:25:17] <stpierre> also, vicktor duchovni disagrees with you about postmap syntax: http://www.wibble.co.uk/archives/postfix/2006/sep/msg00405.html :)[15:29:57] <rob0> try escaped \"\" 14:21 < f3ew> and postmap -q "" at nebrwesleyan dot edu ldap:/... ?[15:30:42] <stpierre> no change[15:31:35] <rob0> I hate to say it, but verbose logs (debug_peer_list can do it) might pinpoint where the rewriting occurs.[15:34:38] * cpm debugs rob0[15:37:00] <f3ew> hmmmmm[15:37:05] <f3ew> I should go home[15:37:17] <f3ew> but stpierre's problem does not make sense[15:38:22] <stpierre> here's the last big before delivery, between clamsmtpd reinjection (still to "" at nebrwesleyan dot edu) and delivery (to stpierre at mirni dot nebrwesleyan.edu): http://www.pastebin.ca/767169[15:38:32] <stpierre> the last big? /me needs more tea this morning.[15:39:16] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[15:40:53] *** zoid has quit IRC[15:42:26] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[15:45:48] <milligan> anyone here familiar with procmail ?[15:48:12] *** af_ has joined #postfix[15:54:13] *** ncritu has quit IRC[15:57:52] <milligan> Allright ,let me rephrase. Postfix with a virtual setup. Trying to set up an alias, x at domain dot tld that forwards to x1 at domain dot tld, x2 at domain dot tld etc etc.. how can I do that ?[16:01:02] <f3ew> use maildrop[16:01:05] <f3ew> !maildrop[16:01:05] <knoba> f3ew: "maildrop" : a delivery agent similar to 'procmail' which also works for virtual accounts. It's part of the "courier" mail server. See: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/[16:01:07] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:01:42] <rob0> procmail needs a Unix user to work right. Maildrop is made for virtual users.[16:02:41] <rob0> and besides, all that you describe would happen before the delivery agent ... virtual.5.html , postconf.5.html#virtual_alias_maps[16:02:49] <rob0> !virtual_alias_maps[16:02:49] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[16:02:53] *** klauwhamer has quit IRC[16:03:07] *** klauwhamer has joined #postfix[16:05:53] *** harobed has quit IRC[16:06:49] *** doori has joined #postfix[16:08:15] *** etaylor has quit IRC[16:13:58] *** klauwhamer has quit IRC[16:14:12] *** klauwhamer has joined #postfix[16:23:33] *** Kartagis has quit IRC[16:24:38] *** j_s has joined #postfix[16:25:38] *** atula has joined #postfix[16:27:15] *** harobed has joined #postfix[16:28:06] *** lmiller has joined #postfix[16:28:39] <atula> hi. I'm trying to set up postfix and I'm in a bit of confusion. I'm doing a multiple domains set up with virtual user, non-UNIX user way. Now how do I manage users/password if all I do is editing the virtual_mailbox_maps?[16:29:22] <lmiller> Atula... I would suggest setting the virtual users up in a mysql database[16:29:46] <atula> could you direct me to a document site for this?[16:29:50] <atula> very new to the whole thing[16:29:55] <lmiller> If you are familar with mysql and use phpmyadmin, virtual users and virtual domains that do not have unix accounts local to the machine are easier to maintain[16:30:04] <lmiller> yes, let me get the link for you...[16:30:21] <lmiller> just a moment[16:31:01] <atula> thank you[16:31:08] <lmiller> which distro are you using?[16:31:17] <atula> I'm on a redhat es4[16:32:55] <lmiller> here you go. http://www.howtoforge.com/fedora_virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier[16:33:24] <lmiller> Its based on Fedora, but should be very very simliar to redhat[16:33:31] <lmiller> Good Luck![16:33:47] *** gpled has joined #postfix[16:34:59] <lmiller> Ok. I have set up virtual users with postfix on a debian etch system, I have a problem with postfix that I am having trouble narrowing down[16:35:10] <lmiller> here is the excerpt from my log that concerns me.[16:35:10] <lmiller> Nov 9 09:18:29 server1 postfix/qmgr[3142]: E1B06CB3CC: to=<lmiller at geeksbydesign dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.23, delays=0.22/0.01/0/0, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)[16:35:27] <lmiller> Can anyone explain MAIL TRANSPORT UNAVAILABLE?[16:35:30] <gpled> whats your mail transport set to?[16:35:36] <gpled> lol[16:35:37] <gpled> sorry[16:35:40] <atula> thank you so much mil[16:36:03] <gpled> is your server setup to hand mail to another server?[16:36:38] <lmiller> no. It should handle the mail directly[16:37:04] <lmiller> My postconf has transport_maps set as transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf[16:37:10] <gpled> so all mail goes to your postfix box, and sits there. users read from postfix too?[16:37:25] <gpled> users read from postfix box too?[16:37:34] <lmiller> users log in via courier-pop authentication[16:38:05] <gpled> k[16:38:14] <lmiller> pop only system, no webmail.. yet[16:38:58] <gpled> hop your users are on your lan[16:39:31] <gpled> unless your encrypt your pop, your usernames and password are clear text[16:39:40] <gpled> but that is another problem[16:39:49] <lmiller> true, but users are on the lan[16:40:09] <lmiller> how can you tell the passwords are clear text?[16:40:24] <lmiller> I have the field set to encrypt on the mysql configuration[16:40:41] <gpled> with a sniffer. thats how i would get usernames and passwords for uses who forgot theirs[16:40:42] <lmiller> I am asking cause i honestly dont know[16:40:52] <gpled> i was turn on my sniffer, and ask them to check their mail[16:41:04] <gpled> then tell them their username and password[16:41:09] <doori> lmiller i was wondering, i have few domains.. and i wanted to have specific users to have access to specific domains[16:41:11] <lmiller> wow.. thats impressive[16:41:58] <gpled> you should try it. then you know how easy it is to loose your account when using pop3[16:42:11] <lmiller> doori... I am in no way educated on this subject. The previous guy just asked a question I just had experience with. Im here for help too[16:42:15] <gpled> not trying to sound mean[16:42:26] <lmiller> no.. not mean at all. Good idea[16:42:40] <doori> for that task, using a virtual users is the ultimate ? or making referers of each address TO user@account is ok as well ?[16:42:43] <lmiller> Im still learning in the linux world. I have a passion for it, so any tips and tricks I am all ears for[16:42:47] *** solemnwarning has joined #Postfix[16:42:50] <solemnwarning> Hi all[16:42:54] <gpled> thier is a way to test your mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transpo[16:43:00] <gpled> i would have to look it up[16:43:06] <gpled> but thats where i would start[16:43:25] <solemnwarning> Is it safe to have 'mydestination = ' in main.cf?[16:43:33] <lmiller> so you think the problem is in calling the virtual-transports.cf file?[16:43:47] <gpled> anyone remember off the top of their head how to test mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf[16:46:04] <lmiller> I cant seem to find out to test the transport_map in google either...[16:48:14] *** Sieg has joined #postfix[16:48:19] *** stpierre has left #postfix[16:49:24] <lmiller> hey gpled..[16:49:38] <gpled> yah[16:49:43] <lmiller> I should tell you, I just realized that the transport worked, before today[16:49:56] <lmiller> I added clamav and some other spam tools today[16:50:08] <gpled> did you add spamassassin?[16:50:14] <lmiller> yes[16:50:23] <gpled> what distro are you running?[16:50:28] <lmiller> Debian etch[16:50:50] <gpled> im having trouble with sa-update.[16:50:59] <gpled> running diffrent distro though[16:51:08] <gpled> i just updated peril[16:51:27] <gpled> im thinking you need to test the database connection first[16:52:12] <lmiller> I dont mean to be ignorant, but how do you want me to test that?[16:53:25] <gpled> postmap -q[16:53:30] <gpled> think thats what you need[16:54:12] <gpled> http://www.postfix.org/cidr_table.5.html[16:54:32] <gpled> let me look up the mysql one[16:54:49] <gpled> http://www.postfix.org/mysql_table.5.html[16:55:07] <gpled> postmap -q "string" mysql:/etc/postfix/filename[16:55:18] <lmiller> ok, gotcah[16:55:21] <lmiller> just a sec[16:55:26] <gpled> was hoping that made sense[16:56:00] <gpled> postmap -q "somethingToLookup" mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf[16:56:00] *** Golumn has joined #postfix[16:56:21] <gpled> that will tell you if your mysql is table thingy is working[16:56:40] <gpled> brb[16:56:43] <lmiller> ok[16:59:54] <gpled> any luck with the postmap -q?[17:00:05] <lmiller> well.. im not exactly sure what I am looking up[17:00:21] <lmiller> I ran the postmap, on that file, but it does not display any results[17:00:46] <gpled> you can use that against any table. it is to test lookups[17:00:55] <lmiller> ok...[17:01:00] <gpled> so you kind of need to know what kind of data to lookup[17:01:13] <lmiller> i know the data, its how to ask for the data I am lost[17:01:16] <gpled> i dont do virtual servers so i would have to read up[17:01:41] <lmiller> hmmm.[17:01:42] <gpled> does the data just have domain names?[17:02:03] <lmiller> in that table there are users, domains, aliases, everything[17:02:47] <lmiller> Ahh.. I think I just got it[17:02:55] <lmiller> the transport table is empty[17:03:17] <solemnwarning> Is it safe for mydestination to be empty?[17:03:21] *** rikur has joined #postfix[17:03:41] *** cutmasta has quit IRC[17:04:10] <lmiller> ok... I think i get it[17:04:16] <lmiller> just a second and I will post my results[17:08:21] <lmiller> nope[17:08:22] <lmiller> still no luck[17:09:08] <lmiller> i populated the transport table (even though the tutorial said I didnt need to) with domain geeksbydesign.com transport smtp:[127.0.0.1][17:09:17] <lmiller> and still have the mail transport unavailable in the log[17:09:40] <gpled> try telnet 127.0.0.1 25[17:10:15] <gpled> can you see geeksbydesign.com in the mysql table?[17:10:37] <lmiller> yes, it is in the domains table[17:10:42] <gpled> also can you pastebin mysql-virtual_transports.cf[17:11:15] <lmiller> I can if you tell me how to pastebin[17:11:52] <lmiller> just paste the file in here?[17:11:57] <gpled> http://pastebin.com/[17:12:06] <lmiller> ok, just a second[17:12:09] <gpled> it will give you a link[17:12:27] <gpled> just let us know what the link is, and we can see your config file[17:12:46] <lmiller> http://pastebin.com/d4c7ecec0[17:12:55] <lmiller> want my postconf too?[17:14:03] <lmiller> postconf is at http://pastebin.com/d4cf6dcc4[17:16:30] <lmiller> any ideas?[17:16:34] <rob0> solemnwarning, "safe"? Sure, why not? But, left unset, you get the default value, "postconf -d mydestination". Set to null ("mydestination ="), you just don't have local(8) delivery. You might not like that, but if you know what you're doing, you can make it work.[17:17:18] <solemnwarning> I'm setting up a mailserver, I want all mail accounts in a MySQL database[17:17:31] <solemnwarning> It'll be handling mail for a couple of domains on the net and several Linux machines[17:20:24] <gpled> rob0: any ideas on lmiller?[17:21:26] <lmiller> Can you think of any reason why the installation of spamassassin, clamav, amavis would make the mail transport unavailable?[17:21:32] <gpled> lmiller: what did postmap -q "geeksbydesign.com" mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf do?[17:22:29] <lmiller> before, it did nothing[17:22:45] <lmiller> now that I have put something in the transport table it does smtp:[10.1.1.201][17:22:50] <lmiller> ip address of the machine[17:23:00] <lmiller> oh[17:23:06] <lmiller> that means that the sql connection is working[17:23:12] <lmiller> cause it got that data from the table[17:23:25] <rob0> Specifically, what transport is unavailable?[17:23:48] <lmiller> postfix/qmgr[4059]: D0C82CB3CD: to=<lmiller at geeksbydesign dot com>, relay=none, delay=1049, delays=1048/1.1/0/0, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)[17:23:56] <lmiller> just get mail transport unavailable[17:24:38] <lmiller> gpled: what should I put my transport to?[17:25:02] <lmiller> gpled: geeksbydesign transports to smtp:[10.1.1.201] ?[17:25:37] <lmiller> I just found this in my log too[17:25:37] <lmiller> postfix/master[4057]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling[17:25:49] <rob0> pastebin logs of an entire mail coming in. At this point I'd guess it's that the content_filter isn't set up (is there an "amavis" transport in master.cf?)[17:26:25] <Roobarb-Work> lmiller: you should see a log entry earlier saying what the error is[17:26:41] <rob0> Entire logs means unsplit, mail.*. Debian splits various priorities of mail.* syslog.[17:27:12] <lmiller> ok. I will clear all logs. restart postfix, then test mail, then pastebin mail.log does that sound good?[17:27:20] <Roobarb-Work> lmiller: tail -f /var/log/mail/{errors,info,warnings} while you restart[17:27:29] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[17:27:38] <rob0> clear all logs?[17:27:45] <gpled> lmiller: ok, now you know how to test with postmap -q. and like you said, you can see you are getting data. thats the first step[17:28:51] <lmiller> Ok. here is my mail.log after restarting postfix and test mail[17:28:52] <lmiller> http://pastebin.com/d2d7db970[17:29:30] <Roobarb-Work> line #8 being the root cause[17:29:56] <Roobarb-Work> you've borked your master.cf config for the amvisd transport[17:30:19] <lmiller> your exactly right[17:30:25] <rob0> I think the problem is amavisd, not being able to connect back to the reinjection port.[17:30:42] <gpled> hmmm, i would bet it is a chmod / chown setting[17:31:01] <lmiller> chmod of the amvisd transport?[17:31:04] <rob0> or is amavisd even running? There were no logs from it.[17:31:11] <gpled> yah, check what user amavisd is running as[17:31:21] <Edward123> sorry for the off-topic, but does anybody run cyrus-imapd?[17:31:23] * Roobarb-Work suspects the port 10025 listener isn't correctly configured[17:31:28] <Edward123> my master can communicate fine with it's slave on port 2005, but i keep getting the error Can not connect to server '85.92.84.168', retrying in 15 seconds from sync_client[17:31:46] <Edward123> again, sorry for the off-topic but it's been driving me mad all day[17:31:53] <gpled> telnet 127.0.0.1 10025 ?[17:32:13] <rob0> It didn't log anything in the paste, so I assume amavisd isn't running.[17:32:26] <lmiller> server1:/var/log# telnet 127.0.0.1 10025[17:32:27] <lmiller> Trying 127.0.0.1...[17:32:27] <lmiller> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused[17:32:27] <gpled> Edward123: sorry, im not any good with cyrus[17:32:36] <Edward123> heh me neither[17:32:49] <lmiller> Amavisd is listed in top but your right, I would think it would be in the logs aso[17:32:52] <lmiller> also*[17:33:00] <gpled> lmiller just to make sure things are working do telnet 127.0.0.1 25[17:33:16] <rob0> is there an "amavis" transport in master.cf? Pastebin it.[17:33:18] <lmiller> server1:/var/log# telnet 127.0.0.1 25[17:33:18] <lmiller> Trying 127.0.0.1...[17:33:18] <lmiller> Connected to 127.0.0.1.[17:33:18] <lmiller> Escape character is '^]'.[17:33:18] <lmiller> 220 mail.millerhousedomains.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)[17:33:29] <gpled> ok, yah 10025 amavisd is down[17:33:54] <Roobarb-Work> lmiller: can you pastebin your master.cf[17:33:56] <gpled> whish my notes where on line. thats on my todo list[17:34:42] <gpled> lmiller: any chance your a perl master?[17:34:46] <Roobarb-Work> lmiller: actually, and your main.cf[17:34:58] <lmiller> no, not a perl master..[17:35:02] <rob0> Roobarb-Work: no, he already pasted postconf -n[17:35:09] <Roobarb-Work> rob0: oh I missed that[17:35:12] <lmiller> but know somoene how is, and he owes me a favor[17:35:34] <lmiller> so what file do you want me to pastebin?[17:35:51] <rob0> If you're not going to get this quickly, I am leaving: 16:33 < rob0> is there an "amavis" transport in master.cf? Pastebin it.[17:36:03] <Edward123> heh leaving where?[17:36:10] <rob0> Could also be chroot.[17:36:15] <rob0> Edward123, I have a job.[17:36:48] <lmiller> master.cf pastebin at http://pastebin.com/d6a70d792[17:37:44] <Edward123> ah[17:38:10] <rob0> Damn Debian and their chroot.[17:38:30] <rob0> unchroot it, see !debug[17:38:32] <rob0> bye[17:38:39] <Edward123> i run the non-chroot version[17:38:46] <lmiller> I have it in a chroot jail?[17:38:55] <lmiller> Thanks Rob0![17:38:59] <Roobarb-Work> lmiller: this is how I use amavisd-new: http://pastebin.com/m39285b62[17:39:13] *** phnord has quit IRC[17:39:55] <rob0> oh one other thing ... line 86 is indented[17:39:56] <lmiller> Roobarb-Work: can you point out the difference? So I can try to understand why?[17:40:14] <lmiller> The indent makes a difference?[17:40:18] <lmiller> seriously?[17:40:30] <rob0> rtfm master(5)[17:41:18] <lmiller> rtfom master(5) ---- I dont understand[17:41:24] <lmiller> rtfm?[17:41:25] <gpled> in /etc/amavisd.conf what is: $daemon_user = and $daemon_group = ?[17:41:52] <Edward123> heh lmiller, he means man master[17:42:22] <lmiller> oh, read the friggin manual master[17:42:24] <lmiller> gotcha[17:42:36] <lmiller> <-- little slow on the uptake sometimes[17:42:43] <Edward123> new to IRC?[17:42:45] <Roobarb-Work> gpled: the UID/GID the amavisd service runs as[17:42:46] <lmiller> yes[17:42:51] <lmiller> I am new to IRC[17:42:56] <Edward123> heh that's a thing people will say to you a lot[17:43:01] <gpled> Roobarb-Work: yah, for lmiller[17:43:02] <lmiller> lovely[17:43:38] <lmiller> ok. I dont have amavisd.conf at /etc/amavisd.conf so i am updating the locate database[17:43:47] <gpled> lmiller: in /etc/amavisd.conf what is: $daemon_user = and $daemon_group = ?[17:43:50] <lmiller> and the config is not in /etc/amavis/[17:43:55] <gpled> Roobarb-Work: sorry about that[17:44:26] <gpled> lmiller: thats most likely just a distro desission[17:44:30] <lmiller> we are looking in the config to determine the user that it runs as?[17:44:55] <gpled> lmiller: yep[17:45:04] <gpled> do you know where amavisd.conf is?[17:45:05] <lmiller> it runs as the amavis user[17:45:12] <lmiller> but there is no amavisd.con file[17:45:13] <gpled> k[17:45:32] <gpled> hmm, there is some where[17:45:39] <gpled> not sure where it is on debian[17:45:40] <lmiller> locate does not find one[17:45:53] <gpled> /usr/local/etc ??[17:46:30] <gpled> as root, find / -name amavisd.conf[17:47:08] <lmiller> would locate amavisd.conf not do the same thing (after updating locate databse?)[17:47:35] <lmiller> its searching now[17:47:55] <gpled> when you find amavisd.conf, you need to ls -la it, and see what user and group the file is set to[17:48:38] <lmiller> server1:/etc/init.d# find / -name amavisd.conf[17:48:39] <lmiller> server1:/etc/init.d#[17:48:42] <lmiller> it does not find it[17:49:01] <gpled> is amavisd installed?[17:49:28] <lmiller> amavisd no amavis yes[17:49:47] <lmiller> or amavis-new rather[17:50:00] <lmiller> it cannot find package amavisd[17:50:49] <lmiller> here it is[17:50:54] <lmiller> amavisd-new is installed[17:51:02] <gpled> lmiller: can you paste the pastebin for your master.cf?[17:51:22] <lmiller> http://pastebin.com/d6a70d792[17:51:30] <lmiller> master.cf is pastebin at http://pastebin.com/d6a70d792[17:53:11] *** Edward123 has quit IRC[17:53:16] <lmiller> hey guys..[17:53:27] <lmiller> I think it might have just been the indent[17:53:37] <lmiller> I changed the indent, and now testing a mail[17:53:39] <lmiller> just a moment[17:58:18] *** kombi has joined #postfix[17:58:49] <lmiller> ok[17:58:53] <kombi> Is there a way to simulate an rbl query? amavis seems to take forever allthough name resolution is fast and good..[17:58:58] <lmiller> now all I get is queue active?[17:59:10] <lmiller> postfix/qmgr[2519]: BA7CECB552: from=<lmiller at multi-ad dot com>, size=5276, nrcpt=1 (queue active)[18:01:32] <gpled> lmiller: ps aux|grep 10025[18:02:24] <lmiller> root 3151 0.0 0.3 2852 708 pts/0 S+ 11:02 0:00 grep 10025[18:02:52] <lmiller> also, telnet to 127.0.0.1 10025 reveals a listening port[18:02:55] <lmiller> server1:/var/log# telnet 127.0.0.1 10025[18:02:55] <lmiller> Trying 127.0.0.1...[18:02:55] <lmiller> Connected to 127.0.0.1.[18:02:55] <lmiller> Escape character is '^]'.[18:02:55] <lmiller> 220 mail.millerhousedomains.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)[18:05:51] *** bronb has joined #postfix[18:05:54] <gpled> looks like amavisd is down[18:06:03] <gpled> should have seen something like:[18:06:04] <gpled> postfix 10886 0.0 0.3 6556 1836 ? S 09:05 0:00 smtpd -n 127.0.0.1:10025[18:06:18] <gpled> with ps aux|grep 10025[18:06:30] <lmiller> then what is listening on 10025 that is answering the telnet?[18:06:51] <gpled> i think you typed telnet 127.0.0.1 25[18:07:10] <lmiller> server1:/var/run/clamav# telnet 127.0.0.1 10025[18:07:11] <lmiller> Trying 127.0.0.1...[18:07:11] <lmiller> Connected to 127.0.0.1.[18:07:11] <lmiller> Escape character is '^]'.[18:07:11] <lmiller> 220 mail.millerhousedomains.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)[18:07:23] <lmiller> nope, it answered on 10025[18:07:27] *** backblue has joined #postfix[18:07:46] <lmiller> ok, let me ask this[18:07:59] <lmiller> what connects to 10025?[18:08:05] <gpled> postfix[18:08:09] <lmiller> ok[18:08:11] <backblue> hi, anyone here have integrated postfix with ldap? i want him to only accept mail, from users that are in one group, in ldap.[18:08:17] <lmiller> so its not a firewall issue[18:08:29] <gpled> how did you install amavis-new?[18:08:41] <lmiller> apt-get install amavisd-new[18:08:47] <gpled> aahh[18:09:02] <gpled> who knows what debian called the config file?[18:09:10] <lmiller> ahhh[18:09:16] <lmiller> ok, it begins to make sense[18:09:35] <lmiller> So, in reality, is amavisd really all that and a bag of chips?[18:09:35] *** die_z has quit IRC[18:09:40] <gpled> the problem is most likely that postfix can not read the config file[18:09:46] <lmiller> would it be easier to uninstall it and remove the section from my master.cf?[18:11:13] *** xdie_ has joined #postfix[18:11:25] <gpled> i found that it is better to put as much in from source as you can[18:11:44] <gpled> then you can read the docs and figure out how to set things up[18:11:53] <gpled> the distros tend to be laggy[18:12:01] <jelly> gpled: you really want to read /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new, Debian's config setup is... unorthodox.[18:12:09] <lmiller> lol[18:12:12] <lmiller> I will remember that[18:12:17] <lmiller> Thanks for the help[18:12:26] <gpled> jelly: that would explain alot[18:12:41] <lmiller> I am uninstalling amavis now, I just removed its section at the bottom from my master.cf[18:12:45] <lmiller> rebooting the server[18:13:22] <gpled> should not have to ever reboot your server, except for kernel updates[18:13:33] <lmiller> this is true..[18:13:44] <lmiller> I could have gone and restarted services individually[18:13:51] <jelly> hm I should have told that to lmiller, shouldn't it[18:13:51] <lmiller> but then I always think I forgot[18:14:04] <gpled> it will also teach you what programs control what, if you avoid reboots[18:14:18] <kombi> jelly: everything in conf.d it seems, right?[18:14:26] <gpled> jelly: np, helped me too[18:14:33] <lmiller> good point.[18:14:39] <lmiller> I will make it a point to do less reboots[18:14:43] <lmiller> uptime is a good thing[18:14:45] <jelly> kombi: that, /usr/share/amavis/conf.d/, all over the place :-)[18:15:04] <gpled> eeeuuu[18:15:10] <gpled> lol[18:15:12] <kombi> jelly: quite a headache.. but debian[18:15:45] <gpled> i like /usr/local over /usr/share[18:15:52] <kombi> I have trouble with amavis querying rbls, it takes forever..[18:15:58] <gpled> lib fun anyone?[18:16:01] <jelly> kombi: it's nice if you want to do minimal changes and not disrupt the upgrade[18:16:22] <lmiller> postfix is trying to connect to amavis but cannot.. how should I tell postfix to no longer use amavis?[18:16:41] <kombi> lmiller: put an # in front of content_filter thingie..[18:16:43] <gpled> kombi: is it amavis or spamassassin that is doing the lookups?[18:17:18] <kombi> gpled: that I am not completely sure of, I think it's sa though (come to think of it)[18:17:48] <gpled> kombi: i think so too[18:18:02] <kombi> I did skip_rbl_lookups 1 in local.cf and speed improved..[18:18:21] <gpled> amavis is a hard thing[18:18:25] *** af_ has quit IRC[18:18:28] <kombi> gpled: is there #spamassassin?[18:18:39] <gpled> kombi: yah, but not much help[18:19:14] <gpled> ill try to help. had my question posted an hour ago. not one post sense then[18:19:38] <gpled> only think i can set for spamassassin is rules[18:19:39] <lmiller> ok, I found content_filter in my main.cf[18:19:44] <lmiller> and I commented it out[18:19:45] <kombi> what does "reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org" do in main.cf? Just use that rbl?[18:19:48] <lmiller> restarted postfix[18:19:54] <gpled> everything else seems to have to be done in the amavisd config file[18:20:00] <lmiller> but the log still says it is trying to connect to amavis[18:20:01] <kombi> lmiller: postfix reload should suffice[18:20:22] <gpled> kombi: yep, thats a good one too[18:20:29] <gpled> that is postfix[18:20:52] <kombi> I'll google that... weired..[18:20:59] <gpled> kombi: is that what is slow?[18:21:28] <gpled> o joy, i think cpan hung[18:21:34] <kombi> maybe.. I can see lot's of timeouts in the log while trying to contact rbls[18:21:41] <lmiller> ok[18:21:59] <lmiller> I got amavis removed, and postfix is not trying to use it[18:22:06] <lmiller> Wow.. that was a pain in the ass[18:22:37] <kombi> you'll be full of spam and viruses shortly though..;)[18:22:44] <lmiller> lol[18:22:51] <lmiller> its an ever-losing battle[18:22:53] <gpled> kombi: do you have any other reject_rbl_client in main.cf?[18:23:12] <kombi> nope[18:23:50] <kombi> gpled: I wonder who all queries rbls, pf itself, amavis, sa? got do dig deeper there.[18:24:21] <gpled> kombi: i think it should just be postfix[18:24:41] <gpled> i forget how to test rbls by hand[18:24:52] <gpled> dig zen.spamhaus.org ......[18:25:24] *** xDie has quit IRC[18:25:43] <hparker> host 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org ... iirc[18:25:52] <lmiller> well guys.. I can recieve mail. but cannot send mail (relay access denied)[18:25:59] <lmiller> Im heading home for lunch[18:26:03] <lmiller> talk to you guys later[18:26:14] *** lmiller has quit IRC[18:26:15] *** Jax has joined #postfix[18:26:26] <kombi> hparker: what is the ... iirc for?[18:27:35] <kombi> in the logs, what or who is uridnsbl? -> dbg: uridnsbl: query for says.in took 9 seconds to look up (multi.surbl.org.:says.in)[18:27:35] <gpled> if i re call?[18:27:41] <hparker> kombi: To seperate iirc from the command[18:27:44] <gpled> if i recall correct[18:27:59] <kombi> hparker: thanks![18:28:41] <gpled> hparker: is the man![18:28:44] <atula> lmiller: it seems that the tutorial you've given me deals with courier as pop/imap server. do you know if I dovecot should use the same set up?[18:28:49] <gpled> i need to write that one down[18:29:28] <gpled> atula: think lmiller is heading home for lunch[18:29:32] <kombi> it is going into my wiki of precious knowledge..;)[18:30:21] <gpled> hparker: say, how would i check an ip address against zen.spamhaus.org from console?[18:30:44] *** SilenceGold has joined #postfix[18:30:47] <hparker> just like that[18:31:02] <hparker> host <ip in reverse>.zen.spamhaus.org[18:31:13] <gpled> cool, thanks[18:31:34] <atula> gpled: ah. thanks[18:32:08] <kombi> hparker: what do make of this log entry -> dbg: uridnsbl: query for says.in took 9 seconds to look up (multi.surbl.org.:says.in)[18:32:19] <atula> gpled: dig domain -t A[18:32:40] <hparker> kombi: Looks to me like surbl took too long to reply[18:32:50] <kombi> ;) right![18:33:25] <kombi> only why I wonder.. it's fast from cli[18:34:09] *** thumbs has quit IRC[18:34:26] *** Acxty has joined #postfix[18:34:56] *** Golumn has quit IRC[18:35:43] <gpled> kombi: some times those rbl servers go down[18:35:59] <gpled> i would just use zen, they seem real good[18:36:00] <hparker> kombi: using the same resolver?[18:36:28] <kombi> hparker: absolutely, got bind running on the same box[18:37:40] <hparker> odd[18:38:25] *** Golumn has joined #postfix[18:38:29] <kombi> hparker: can you tell by the log entry which of pf amavis or sa is querying?[18:38:36] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:38:53] *** Acxty has quit IRC[18:39:18] <hparker> i'd guess that was sa[18:40:05] <kombi> makes sense.. speed is good after I set skip_rbl_checks to 1[18:41:51] <kombi> I'll list all the rbls in main.cf then, which seems to cause no delay. Still wonder how that is possible..[18:43:22] <hparker> uhm.. SURBL is to be sued for URLs within the emails, postfix doesn't scan those... postfix only checks them against the IP delivering mail to you[18:43:26] <backblue> nobody here, uses ldap:/ backends?[18:43:29] <hparker> s/sued/used[18:43:53] * hparker can barely spell ldap... was more confused after reading the book then before he bought it[18:44:03] <backblue> hehehe :D[18:44:07] <kombi> hparker: I'll try SURBL in main.cf now[18:44:10] *** githogori has joined #postfix[18:44:34] <hparker> kombi: Ar you not reading what I'm typing? Do you not know what SURBL is?[18:45:27] <kombi> hparker: sorry, so it only works from sa I take it?[18:45:36] <hparker> SURBL is for scanning URLs within emails for spamvertized sites, what good will it do to do a lookup against the connecting IP with it?[18:45:52] <kombi> point taken![18:46:06] <hparker> Well, I know a guy who patched sendmail to scan the emails as they came in with it, but beyond something like that sa is it[18:46:22] <kombi> got you..[18:56:45] <Jax> yay my primary DNS is down[18:58:38] <backblue> how do i load maps in postfix? i need ldap backend, how do i enable it?[18:59:14] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[18:59:57] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[19:00:36] <kombi> backblue: you reference them with hash:/path/to/map[19:01:16] <backblue> hum... i tought so, but when i do postmap -q foo ldap:file.cf[19:01:22] <backblue> i get one unsupported map[19:05:21] <bronb> i'm trying to send mail through php/web ... it works for outlook express client for example, but hotmail simply ignores it... anybody can help?[19:06:55] *** andi__ is now known as phnord[19:07:23] *** misty_wrk has joined #postfix[19:07:34] <misty_wrk> here I am again, when it rains it pours[19:07:47] <misty_wrk> I'm trying to debug these error messages, and I cannot find the problem: http://rafb.net/p/2FylzZ97.html[19:07:54] *** sepski has joined #postfix[19:07:57] <misty_wrk> As far as I know, saslauthd only uses pam[19:09:58] *** backblue has quit IRC[19:19:10] *** harobed has quit IRC[19:20:16] *** thumbs has quit IRC[19:20:18] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[19:22:34] *** aozturk has quit IRC[19:29:58] *** imcsk8 has joined #postfix[19:32:28] <gpled> little off topic, but hoping someone has seen this http://sial.org/pbot/28521[19:32:39] *** sepski has quit IRC[19:32:42] <gpled> sa-update throwing errors[19:52:21] *** thumbs has quit IRC[19:54:27] *** ziyax has joined #postfix[19:56:12] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[19:56:51] *** misty_wrk has left #postfix[19:58:32] <bronb> anybody experienced with mail() - php, and hotmail clients ? hotmail simply ignores it..[19:58:45] *** Kamping_Kaiser has left #postfix[19:58:52] <imcsk8> hello, i have this directive on my main.cf virtual_mailbox_base=/home/vmail and i'm getting this error on my log file: fatal: match_list_parse: read file /home/vmail: Is a directory. I'm kind of lost here can somebody help me?[19:59:52] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_base[19:59:53] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.[20:00:04] <gpled> bronb: dont think hotmail m$ would like anything open source, like php[20:00:29] <kombi> does it make sense to run sa-update in cron?[20:00:39] *** lmiller has joined #postfix[20:00:39] <gpled> kombi: yep[20:00:48] <kombi> once a month?[20:00:53] <gpled> but my sa-update bork[20:01:00] <gpled> i do it daily[20:01:04] <gpled> cron.daily[20:01:46] <imcsk8> adaptr: the problem is this error: fatal: match_list_parse: read file /home/vmail Is a directory[20:02:25] <adaptr> imcsk8 no, the problem is that you did not read the above single line carefully enough[20:02:39] *** gpled has left #postfix[20:03:18] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[20:11:25] *** echelog has joined #postfix[20:11:30] *** lmiller has quit IRC[20:13:01] *** thumbs has quit IRC[20:14:12] <rob0> "Since you have to enable spamassasin clamav and all the rest." Uh, says who? That is nonsense.[20:14:13] <rob0> Anyone who follows a HOWTO without understanding what it does is really not qualified to be a postmaster.[20:15:06] <imcsk8> adaptr: my problem ist that postfix is not connecting to the database[20:15:25] * darkphader is away: away[20:15:47] *** Jax has quit IRC[20:17:57] <imcsk8> adaptr: but i don't get any connection errors on the postfix log file[20:29:40] *** gpled has joined #postfix[20:29:50] <gpled> got sa-update working :)[20:31:13] <kombi> gpled: how'd you do it?[20:31:37] <gpled> updated Errno with cpan[20:32:10] *** bronb has quit IRC[20:34:28] *** oMish has joined #postfix[20:34:43] <oMish> Does postfix supports the Submission protocol (port 587) ?[20:35:51] <oMish> (rfc 2476)[20:41:43] <UQlev> oMish: yes[20:42:12] <rob0> oMish: "less /etc/postfix/master.cf" and "/submission"[20:43:31] <madclicker> host mx.roadrunner.com[68.168.78.104] refused to talk to me: 421 Message Rejected. There are three possible causes for this rejection. If your server sends data before recieving an smtp banner, the connection will be dropped. If you exceed the max concurrent connection level of 4, your connection will be dropped. Otherwise, Please refer to http://security.rr.com/amIBlockedByRR.htm for more information.)[20:43:38] <madclicker> ^?[20:43:42] <gpled> hmmm, thats cool. iv never heard of port 587[20:43:46] <madclicker> what is that all about[20:44:34] <gpled> madclicker: sounds like greylisting[20:44:40] <madclicker> roadrunner servers are one of the largest spammers and I am being blocked?[20:44:47] <gpled> 4xx codes, should be retry later[20:44:52] <madclicker> what has the world come to?[20:45:29] <gpled> madclicker: whats the ip of your mx server?[20:45:45] <madclicker> but I give them the benefit of rejecting with explanation[20:45:55] <UQlev> madclicker: roadrunner are having also their private blacklists for whole ranges[20:45:58] <madclicker> gpled, i checked I am not rbl-ed[20:46:17] <gpled> you should have gotten a 5xx code if you where[20:46:21] <UQlev> madclicker: better to write them[20:46:25] <madclicker> UQlev, they should start closing their open relays[20:48:14] <madclicker> UQlev, yesterday i had a better scenario. Megamailserver and easyhosting both band one other server of mine with "abuse rejected" no other explanation[20:48:26] <madclicker> mailadmins at their best[20:50:04] <UQlev> madclicker: RR simply rejected all IPs of my datacenter and forgot about it until complained[20:50:11] <gpled> hey when did rr start blocking port 25? about time[20:50:32] <gpled> rr = road runner[20:50:48] <madclicker> rr has been a pain in my arse for past three years[20:50:57] <madclicker> with massive spam attacks[20:51:04] <gpled> yah, i used to get spam from them all the time[20:51:27] <madclicker> it's like rogers here in canuc land[20:51:49] <gpled> lol, seen rogers[20:51:59] *** hing has quit IRC[20:52:21] <madclicker> gpled, need i say more?[20:52:31] *** hing has joined #postfix[20:52:59] <UQlev> gpled: how do you manage travelling customers w/o submission port 587?[20:54:13] <hparker> that's what hotmail is for... ;)[20:54:22] <UQlev> :)[20:55:13] <UQlev> hotmail is for hotmail only. mails from other senders simply disappear ;)[20:56:10] <hparker> yeah... they like their intranet... I lol everytime my brother emails me and SA tags it... A small sweet revenge[20:57:26] <gpled> UQlev: we just used another port. did not know 587 was out there. how long has the been a standard?[20:57:41] <gpled> kind of like people who change port 22 for ssh[20:57:55] <UQlev> for several years[20:58:23] <UQlev> gpled: it is not changing 25 port, it is additional service[20:58:42] <gpled> like imap?[20:58:48] <UQlev> like smtp[20:59:07] <UQlev> gpled: with forced smtp-auth[20:59:35] <hparker> Like a standard that even M$ acknowledges... Kinda[21:00:26] <UQlev> I saw M$ had submission loke 77725 or so[21:00:53] <hparker> ouch[21:01:24] <rob0> haha, so they've gone and increased the number of ports? :)[21:01:28] <gpled> m$ justs extends the standards[21:01:41] * cpm SAs hparker[21:02:10] * hparker is now well filtered and stuck in quarantine[21:03:01] <rob0> At least you can have a long dong and cheap viagra now.[21:03:17] <hparker> \o/[21:03:24] <rob0> and refinance that mortgage![21:03:42] *** oMish has quit IRC[21:03:50] <hparker> to afford more viagra, yay![21:04:25] <gpled> hey, i got this hot stock tip[21:05:00] <hparker> can you loan me some money so I can invest in it?[21:05:05] <gpled> also get this: You have been selected to receive a $7500 unsecured Platinum Credit Line from USA Platinum![21:05:17] <gpled> Platinum Card![21:05:57] <UQlev> heh, rusty platimum card[21:06:18] *** meandtheshell has left #postfix[21:06:34] * hparker stabs cpm with a rusty platinum card[21:06:37] <gpled> hparker: well Rapid-Payday Loan can! $1500 overnight. you dont even need to have a job![21:06:46] <hparker> yay![21:07:10] <hparker> Wait, I think they're local to me, I can just pick it up[21:07:13] <gpled> says right here: All Applications Accepted![21:07:14] *** [diecast] has joined #postfix[21:07:24] <gpled> wow, what a deal :)[21:09:18] <gpled> we found a guy who real though he had a long lost relative and was going to get his money[21:10:53] <capt-rogers> rob, that maybe all very well and good...You can manage postfix..but what about the 300 other unix servers? What about all their services and support? We only have 2 postfix servers....What I am trying to tell you Rob, is that I have 300 servers to manage,,,,postfix is only 2 of them....so if I am not qualified to run postfix (according to you) its jsut as well i can mamange the other 298..right ?[21:13:17] <wdp> you're managing 300 unix servers alone?[21:13:23] <capt-rogers> No...[21:13:24] <wdp> you must earn much money[21:13:47] <wdp> everyone has his/her special skills..[21:14:03] <SilenceGold> welcome to system administration[21:14:11] * Sweeper sets up servers and then gets other eople to run them :D[21:14:33] * hparker prefers to hang out in his recliner and act like an admin[21:15:06] * wdp is managing lots of severs too, if customers wants xyz i have to learn it or read on at it, or i simply say: hey guy, make it yourself.[21:15:07] <capt-rogers> System Admins find the best and easiest ways to get things done.....(like a good engineer) (without sacrificing safety)[21:15:48] <wdp> last time i had to learn something, was ago a half year... i hope i'll never administrate postgresql again[21:16:08] <gpled> safety, whats that?[21:16:24] <hparker> server admin is hard, lets go shopping </barbie>[21:16:35] <gpled> hparker: lol[21:16:44] <capt-rogers> angry users with cure you of your lack of safety....[21:16:59] <gpled> its all ball barings[21:17:12] <wdp> capt-rogers, it's like SilenceGold said. "welcome to system administration"[21:17:30] *** xdie_ has quit IRC[21:17:42] <capt-rogers> wdp...that registers.....over and out[21:18:13] <gpled> at least on nix you know they work[21:18:22] <gpled> i feal bad for all the m$ guys[21:18:32] <gpled> stuff does not work from the get go[21:18:55] <gpled> i press the button, and nothing happens[21:18:59] <stevo_inco> Hi, guys. I'm trying to compile Postfix 2.4.6 with pgsql support. I get to compiling, and half way through, I pukes out an error that says "libpq-fe.h: No such file or directory."[21:19:10] <stevo_inco> I kicks out a bunch of errors after that and then dies.[21:19:36] <[diecast]> stevo_inco: read those errors carefully, again and again[21:19:37] <wdp> gpled, i would never use windows systems as a server, but i know if they're configured and installed properly - it's doing a good job. I'm using *nix because i can do more with it, and i know what i'm doing. if i would have to use a m$ server product.. well..[21:20:02] <stevo_inco> [diecast], all of them?[21:20:14] <stevo_inco> What am I looking for exactly?[21:20:15] <hparker> irc is hard, I'm going for a nap[21:20:20] <[diecast]> the initial compilation ones usually tell the most[21:20:50] <[diecast]> you either do not have that library installed, did not update your library or need to point to it as it is not in the deefault location[21:21:34] <stevo_inco> There are no errors up to that point.[21:22:56] <gpled> i vote it is not in default location[21:23:01] <gpled> that one always gets me[21:23:17] *** Riff_ has joined #postfix[21:23:22] <Riff_> hey guys[21:23:26] <gpled> hey riff[21:23:35] <Riff_> i got a little problem...[21:23:41] <Riff_> hehe[21:23:59] <Riff_> my weener is stuck in the zipper..[21:24:09] <stevo_inco> I specified the location of the file and it seems to not change anything: 'AUXLIBS=-L/usr/include/postgresql -lpq'[21:24:25] <rob0> ouch, Riff_ !![21:24:34] <rob0> Sorry to hear that.[21:24:38] <stevo_inco> That's the location of libpq-fe.h[21:24:39] <gpled> button fly my friend[21:24:56] <Riff_> rob0, hehe actually it was kinda good[21:25:02] <Riff_> <--- kinky[21:25:11] <Riff_> hehe[21:25:13] <rob0> ah, you don't get much attention I guess[21:25:18] <Riff_> nope[21:25:33] <stevo_inco> Is there a reason that Postfix would ignore that file?[21:25:38] <gpled> stevo_inco: not sure this helps but: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:A2dlZUCdsDQJ:www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/database/RHDB-7.1.3-Manual/prog/x1702.html+libpq-fe.h&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us[21:25:45] <gpled> eww, thats long[21:26:07] <hparker> So much for the nap... Off to hustle a buck or three[21:26:36] <rob0> hparker: good luck at the pool hall[21:26:39] <Riff_> no actually, I'm trying to setup spamassassin and amavisd after the http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-9-authenticated-smtp howto, and i get some error messages[21:27:03] <hparker> rob0: lol[21:27:38] <Riff_> http://pastebin.com/m10d20789[21:27:45] <Riff_> thats the errors i get[21:30:06] <rob0> Riff_: 1. unchroot Postfix 2. is amavisd running?[21:32:15] <Riff_> rob0, yeah :) it's running. And postfix was chroot'ed.[21:32:20] <Riff_> Testing now :)[21:39:23] <Riff_> http://pastebin.com/m22ed70d5 I think I need to do some more checking...[21:42:57] <rob0> 1. Stopped and restarted Postfix after editing master.cf ? 2 is amavisd running?[21:44:37] *** ikaro^ has quit IRC[21:44:40] *** ikaro has joined #postfix[21:45:25] <Riff_> Nov 9 21:40:03 mail postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system[21:45:25] <Riff_> Nov 9 21:40:03 mail postfix/master[14555]: daemon started -- version 2.3.8, configuration /etc/postfix[21:45:52] <Riff_> and same error[21:46:11] <Riff_> amavis 13970 0.0 7.8 49244 40424 ? Ss 21:01 0:00 amavisd (master)[21:46:12] <Riff_> amavis 13972 0.0 8.0 50552 41624 ? S 21:01 0:00 amavisd (ch1-avail)[21:46:12] <Riff_> amavis 13973 0.0 7.7 50012 39724 ? S 21:01 0:00 amavisd (virgin child)[21:48:47] *** growltiger has quit IRC[21:48:52] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:49:40] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[21:51:04] <stevo_inco> [diecast], gpled: Many of the postgresql headers are located in 2 places on my system... I guess the original choice pissed off the comiler. lol[21:51:31] <[diecast]> stevo_inco: nice. ;)[21:51:48] <stevo_inco> thanks for your help. :)[21:51:50] <[diecast]> yea that is typical compile problem, it just takes a bit of reading over and over until you see what the heck is going on[21:52:32] <gpled> for some reason distros installed packages like to rename and move stuff around[21:52:47] <stevo_inco> Well, it didn't make any sense until I started greping through dict_pgsql.c[21:53:31] *** UQlev has quit IRC[21:54:04] <stevo_inco> there's an "#include <libpq-fe.h>". Well, I knew that file wasn't in that directory... so... I dunno. whatever. it works. :P[21:54:50] *** rootsvr has joined #postfix[21:55:49] <gpled> in my postfix log i have this line:[21:55:50] <gpled> Nov 2 01:56:26 mta-01 postfix/cleanup[24106]: 67F4B73A0E: message-id=<20071102044706.q9boxu97kg0cg8o4 at adama dot liquidweb.com>[21:55:58] <gpled> what is the 67F4B73A0E?[21:56:13] <[diecast]> id[21:57:09] <[diecast]> should be all objects with that id in the log relate to each other[21:57:15] <gpled> i always thought the id would be unique, but i just found that id used for another email[21:57:42] <sysmonk> gpled: it's unique as much as possible :)[21:57:51] <sysmonk> gpled: do you have 2 of those id's in the same day ?[21:57:59] <[diecast]> there are two ids, one for the logs and one for the message itself to traverse other servers[21:58:02] <gpled> nope, the same week[21:58:34] <gpled> this is the first time iv seen this happen[21:59:01] <sysmonk> gpled: i didn't see the same id in the same day before, on the same server[21:59:10] <sysmonk> but it did happen that the same id was in the same week/month/whatever[21:59:41] <[diecast]> if the logs are rotated it is possible[21:59:51] <[diecast]> but not possible to see the same message-id again[22:00:06] <gpled> i made a little application that would look through my logs and find what ip addresses has sent spam[22:00:12] <[diecast]> this is unique, but will not get you everything you want from the log[22:00:34] *** rootsvr has quit IRC[22:00:47] <[diecast]> the idea is novel, but garbage. it's been this way since sendmail's inception - postfix carries the tradition[22:00:52] <gpled> first i look for "Blocked SPAM"[22:01:11] <gpled> from that line i would get Message-ID[22:01:53] <gpled> then i would look through the log for "id" that matched the Message-ID[22:02:04] <gpled> never thought it would be used twice[22:02:13] <[diecast]> needs a time frame check[22:02:24] <gpled> yah, was just thinking that[22:02:36] <[diecast]> i have a web frontend that does such queries[22:02:58] <gpled> is the id unique for the day?[22:03:12] <gpled> for 24 hours[22:03:36] <[diecast]> off the top of my head i'm not certain[22:03:44] <[diecast]> it's been a while since i dug into it[22:04:26] <gpled> brb[22:08:05] *** aent has joined #postfix[22:09:06] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[22:11:43] *** jellis has joined #postfix[22:12:08] *** thumbs has quit IRC[22:12:17] *** pitakill has quit IRC[22:16:37] <gpled> anyone using tcl programming?[22:17:07] *** jellis has quit IRC[22:18:01] *** jelly-home has joined #postfix[22:20:18] *** HammerFall has joined #postfix[22:20:25] <rob0> The queue ID is only guaranteed unique during its time in queue. After that, the number could be reused immediately. But that would be very unlikely, rare.[22:20:26] <HammerFall> hi[22:20:33] *** }btorch{ has joined #postfix[22:20:37] <}btorch{> hello[22:20:42] *** growltiger has joined #postfix[22:20:59] <HammerFall> anyone knows if it is possible to use a database backend for postgrey on/off switching and black/whitelist?[22:21:15] *** alamar has joined #postfix[22:21:27] *** alamar_ has quit IRC[22:21:30] <}btorch{> anyone here knows how I could setup postfix using virtual_mailbox_maps[22:22:11] <}btorch{> I have set it up but it still keeps delivering the messages to /home/user/Maildir instead of /var/spool/mail/domain/user/maildir[22:24:20] *** kombi has quit IRC[22:24:21] <rob0> }btorch{: Look in your LOGS, where you will find a message telling you not to list the same domain in both mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains. Take it out of mydestination if you want to use virtual(8) delivery.[22:24:40] <gpled> HammerFall: i think i understand what you are asking. i only grey list cidr ip's that i list in a file[22:25:33] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[22:26:45] <HammerFall> gpled: ok - but file operations are not my favorite - I would like to give the possibility to change greylistung and b/w lists to every user[22:26:57] <}btorch{> rob0 its not[22:28:40] <gpled> HammerFall: i have no idea how to do it per user. i just do it for the mail server[22:28:55] <gpled> have to help someone. bbl[22:28:56] *** gpled has left #postfix[22:28:57] <sysmonk> HammerFall: use restriction classes[22:29:10] *** sepski has joined #postfix[22:29:14] <rob0> Nevertheless, that is your answer. The fact that you didn't have the domain in both places just indicates a greater degree of problems in your config.[22:29:36] <rob0> !restriction_class[22:29:36] <knoba> rob0: "restriction_class" : http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html[22:29:49] *** thelostbutler has joined #postfix[22:30:17] <HammerFall> sysmonk: will have a look - sek[22:32:21] <thelostbutler> hello folks, i need help with domain keys setup. i get connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused (port 10027) error in the logs http://pastebin.com/m4216c666 has my master.cf would appreciate some help[22:33:10] <rob0> Talk to the guy who runs 127.0.0.1 and tell him to stop refusing your connections![22:33:16] <rob0> Be forceful.[22:35:11] <HammerFall> hehe[22:35:40] <HammerFall> sysmonk: I can define any sender_restrictions here?[22:36:03] <thelostbutler> rob0: how would i do that, would i need to add localhost in mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 , so shouldn't the mails be acceptted, i am not sure why i get the rejection[22:36:29] <thelostbutler> ii meant i already have localhost in mynetworks[22:36:46] <rob0> "know your unix basics[22:37:06] <rob0> in /topic, do you know what "Connection refused" means?[22:37:47] <rob0> It means whatever you thought you had running/listening on port 10027 is NOT running.[22:38:04] <rob0> (or you have some really braindead firewall settings)[22:39:18] *** sirlog_postfix has joined #postfix[22:39:33] <thelostbutler> rob0: oh well dkfilter/proxy might not be running as expected[22:39:40] <thelostbutler> rob0: thanks[22:40:44] <Riff_> rob0, it works :[22:40:45] <Riff_> :)[22:40:58] *** j_s has quit IRC[22:41:28] <Riff_> clamav wasn't updated[22:43:16] <rob0> Great, and give my regards to _Raff. :)[22:43:30] <Riff_> heh[22:44:37] *** capt-rogers has quit IRC[22:44:52] <sirlog_postfix> Hi together. I have a problem with my postfix. I want to sent emails using my providerserver as relay. My provider needs a SSL/TLS secured connection. So as I red in some forums I need the TLS certificate of my provider right? How do I get this? Or how to configure postfix to negotiate the key automatically?[22:45:35] *** hemry has joined #postfix[22:47:30] *** steevel_ is now known as steevel[22:49:34] *** thelostbutler has quit IRC[22:51:00] <sirlog_postfix> Someone here who can answer to my question? Sorry if my question is to primitive but I am a postfix noob;-). I tried with exim and qmail before.[22:51:46] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[22:53:03] *** HammerFall has left #postfix[22:53:24] *** pitakill has quit IRC[22:53:54] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[22:55:30] *** pitakill has quit IRC[22:56:02] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[22:58:21] *** rcsu has joined #postfix[23:11:23] *** githogori has quit IRC[23:12:17] *** pitakill has quit IRC[23:12:59] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[23:14:11] *** githogori has joined #postfix[23:20:32] *** sh0wt1me has quit IRC[23:20:33] *** theblackbox has joined #postfix[23:21:34] *** stevo_inc has joined #postfix[23:23:10] *** sepski has quit IRC[23:23:27] *** etaylor has joined #postfix[23:28:23] *** theblackbox has quit IRC[23:30:40] *** sh0wt1me has joined #postfix[23:34:35] *** stevo_inco has quit IRC[23:37:36] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[23:38:12] *** thelostbutler has joined #postfix[23:39:05] *** Riff_ has quit IRC[23:40:09] <thelostbutler> hello folks, i have a question regarding using dkimproxy/dkfilter for signing outgoing mails. i do see it work, when in the message header i see DKIM-Signature: and i see a signature there. howerver yahoo's header Authentation-Results shows mta162.mail.re4.yahoo.com from=foobar.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) can some give some insight as to what i might be missing ?[23:40:30] <thelostbutler> or where to look ?[23:41:12] <adaptr> dkim sucks and is an MS abomination[23:42:45] *** pirho has joined #postfix[23:42:54] *** duki has quit IRC[23:44:03] *** theblackbox has joined #postfix[23:44:25] *** thunder_storm has joined #postfix[23:44:34] <thelostbutler> adaptr: :) well i need to something so that most of the mails from the foobar.com don't end up in bulk folder apart from following the normal rules, yahoo seems to misbehave, since in one account it sends to bulk and another account to inbox[23:44:35] <thunder_storm> hi@all[23:46:43] <thunder_storm> i have installed my mailserver according to the how-to http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ - everything works fine, but my problem is, the process clamscan runs every 2-4 minutes and produce a server-load (cpu) from 100% - and this 24 h / 7 days per week[23:52:18] *** pitakill has quit IRC[23:53:27] <adaptr> so don't run it[23:53:36] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[23:53:54] <thunder_storm> what do you mean?[23:54:08] <sirlog_postfix> very qualified comment^^[23:54:58] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[23:56:02] *** war has quit IRC[23:59:12] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[23:59:13] <}btorch{> hmm alright I got it working but now I'm having issues with dovecot not been able to read files created by postfix[23:59:33] <}btorch{> even though I have dovecot in the mail group and also the virtual_uid_maps[23:59:47] <thelostbutler> what is the error it spits out ?[23:59:55] <}btorch{> postfix is also creating all the new Maildir with 700 is there away to change that ?