November 3, 2007 
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November 3, 2007 [00:00:31] <sysmonk> it sounds like "Hey, my car has a flat tire, should i try changing the tire?"[00:01:25] <Stijn> I don't know where to redirect it to[00:01:36] <Stijn> It's not like I interest myself in configuring services all day :)[00:01:56] <Stijn> And google doesn't give me much in the scan transport, I do know I have used it in configuring amavisd[00:02:05] <lennard> well *someone* introduced the reference to 'scan' to postfix[00:02:21] <Stijn> Indeed, I don't know where though[00:02:27] <Stijn> Can't find it in main.cf and master.cf[00:02:53] <lennard> probably in a map somewhere then, I guess[00:03:16] <Trengo> in transport?[00:03:51] <Stijn> Question, do I have to run some script if I changed my master.cf ?[00:04:03] <Stijn> I grepped /etc/postfix, and nothing contains the word scan[00:04:06] <lennard> postfix reload[00:04:53] <Trengo> hmm[00:04:54] <Stijn> nope, didn't work :/[00:05:04] <Trengo> do you have amavis or spamassassin?[00:05:09] <Stijn> Had[00:05:14] <Trengo> thats what[00:05:19] <Stijn> they got corrupted, so I'm trying to get them disabled[00:05:28] <Trengo> its still trying to pass the mail to them[00:05:33] <Stijn> but my mails stay in the incoming queue (deferred)[00:05:35] <Stijn> Exactly[00:05:38] <Stijn> but I don't know where[00:05:47] <Trengo> etc/postfix/transport ?[00:05:50] <Stijn> Empty[00:06:06] <Trengo> grep transport /etc/postfix/main.cf[00:06:30] <Stijn> all commented lines[00:06:37] <Stijn> none uncommented[00:06:45] *** war has quit IRC[00:09:32] <Trengo> all?[00:09:36] <Trengo> oh[00:09:37] <Trengo> the grep[00:09:59] <Stijn> it definetly is the scan transport causing the problem though[00:10:04] <Trengo> look for clues to amavis or whatever you had in there[00:10:13] <Stijn> Did that :/[00:10:18] <Trengo> db_dump -p /etc/postfix/transport.db[00:11:40] <Stijn> I don't have a transport.db[00:12:12] <rob0> It would have helped if you had told us what you did, but anyway, try "postsuper -r ALL"[00:12:43] <Stijn> requeued 56[00:13:14] <Stijn> I'm getting new mail after that command[00:13:17] <Stijn> What does it do ?[00:13:24] <Stijn> got all new mail[00:13:28] *** war has joined #postfix[00:13:29] <Stijn> wtf ?[00:13:30] <rob0> It makes you go read "man postsuper".~[00:13:37] <Stijn> k[00:15:14] <Stijn> rob0: So, if I understand what postsuper -r does, I think the mail messages where already in the scan transport, and where stuck there, because amavisd doesn't exist anymore ?[00:15:45] <Stijn> and by requeueing them (instead of postqueue -f what I did) they got into the 'normal' queue[00:16:19] <rob0> basically[00:19:12] <Stijn> Thanks for the help then :)[00:19:29] <Stijn> http://www.freespamfilter.org/FC4.html[00:19:37] <Stijn> Is that url a good url to set up my spamfilter with ?[00:19:57] <Stijn> Cause I get the idea that the master.cf config I had wasn't exactly 'common'[00:20:17] <rob0> I wouldn't know. I use ...[00:20:20] <rob0> !cheatcheet[00:20:21] <knoba> rob0: Error: "cheatcheet" is not a valid command.[00:20:23] <rob0> !cheatsheet[00:20:24] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.[00:20:33] <rob0> I don't even need content filtering.[00:20:34] <sysmonk> heatcheat! :)[00:20:37] <sysmonk> cheatcheat ! :)[00:20:46] <Stijn> is that like spamhaus ?[00:20:50] <Stijn> Blocking ip ranges etc[00:20:56] *** _nalle_ has quit IRC[00:21:06] <rob0> !zen[00:21:06] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL[00:21:08] *** _nalle has joined #postfix[00:21:20] <sysmonk> rob0: you're not using any content filtering at all? only rbl's ?[00:21:39] <rob0> and HELO checks ... numerically speaking the HELO checks get more.[00:21:51] <sysmonk> huh[00:22:08] * sysmonk would like to see all that in action on a large mail server[00:22:22] <sysmonk> rob0: got your mailgraph runing?:)[00:22:27] <rob0> yeah, mine's not real large[00:22:34] <Stijn> rob0: I'll read all that in 2 months :*)[00:22:44] <rob0> which is why I can get away with no content filtering[00:22:58] <Stijn> Well, I don't mind ~2 spam's a week[00:23:37] <rob0> If your site has any clueless lusers, they'll need amavisd/spamassassin.[00:23:38] *** n3kl has joined #postfix[00:23:52] <Stijn> nope, just me[00:23:54] <Stijn> + a friend[00:24:11] <rob0> yeah, you'll stay down under the JHD level[00:24:35] <rob0> !learn jhd as "Just Hit Delete"[00:24:48] <Stijn> ah, k :p[00:25:11] <Stijn> rob0: You actually drop them, or do you reject them ??[00:25:36] <Stijn> Cause I know some (not all to clever) people, who send mail from private pools[00:25:43] <Stijn> aka, not relaying through isp[00:26:14] <rob0> Oh, I can't mess with direct-to-MX. Life's too short. PBL takes out most of those.[00:26:34] <Stijn> so you drop em ?[00:27:15] <rob0> I reject. If you get into this awhile, you'll see that almost all of the stuff from dynamic IP space are windows zombie spew.[00:27:27] <Stijn> Well, anyway, thanks, I'll probably be back in 2 months, when I'm back in the netherlands again :*)[00:27:32] <Stijn> rob0: true[00:27:45] <rob0> Those not-too-clever folks come in here and we tell them, !relayhost[00:27:49] *** aaronc has joined #postfix[00:27:53] <Stijn> Might switch to another distro then :/[00:28:06] <Stijn> Really dissappointed in pacman's ability to downgrade[00:28:12] <Stijn> (aka, no ability)[00:28:39] *** n3kl_ has joined #postfix[00:28:45] <Stijn> Of course, it was my initial mistake of even trying another repo :p[00:38:50] *** aaronc_ has quit IRC[00:41:24] *** n3kl has quit IRC[00:44:13] *** Nockian has joined #postfix[00:46:28] *** DeuS__ has quit IRC[00:46:49] *** DeuS__ has joined #postfix[00:59:46] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[01:00:14] *** war has quit IRC[01:03:26] *** meandtheshell has quit IRC[01:13:03] *** n3kl_ has quit IRC[01:13:24] *** _Mazon is now known as Mazon[01:13:31] *** n3kl has joined #postfix[01:13:37] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[01:15:01] <Ryushin> how can I move the mail that is in the incoming queue to the active queue? My system is overloaded. There is only about 3K messages in active, while there is 145K in incoming.[01:15:09] *** DeuS__ has quit IRC[01:25:33] *** Mavvie has quit IRC[01:27:33] *** flami has joined #postfix[01:30:50] <higuita> Ryushin: postfix flush will flush the queue for delivery, but a warning:[01:32:13] <higuita> postfix put then in queue because of something, local delivery usually is set to 2 concurrent deliveries, so trying to flush will put everything back in queue, because only 2 emails will be saved to the HD at same time[01:33:04] *** DeuS__ has joined #postfix[01:33:21] <higuita> it can take sometime to deliver many emails, but increasing the local concurrent delivery will not help, as the HD io will limit what you can do (you can try to fine tune)[01:35:31] <higuita> also, if you have a virus scanner, spam filter, etc, it may also have a limited number of process running, so reaching that limit the remaining queue will wait for each current delivery to finish so can free the "virus/spam queue"[01:35:32] *** pirho has quit IRC[01:37:05] <higuita> finally, for remote delivery, one server may be slower or offline, so all emails to that server will wait in queue for some time[01:38:23] <higuita> and again, delivery limits, postfix shouldnt overload the remot server, so usually it have a limit and tries to guess the best limit of the remot server[01:42:59] *** pitakill has quit IRC[01:44:08] *** magyar has joined #postfix[01:48:52] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:52:52] <magyar> hi, what would be the reason for the queue being very slow?[01:52:53] <rob0> Ryushin: see "man qmgr" and QSHAPE_README.html[01:54:20] *** adam__ is now known as majikman[02:00:00] <Ryushin> higuita: Well, postfix flush just flushes the deferred queue, not the incoming.[02:00:12] <Ryushin> rob0: Yea, I've been reading both of those.[02:00:59] <Ryushin> The incoming queue is so full the qshape tool is taking a very long time to show any output on the incoming queue. So long in fact that I just abort it.[02:01:56] <Ryushin> In reading the qmgr, there lists strategies that you can use for the queue, but I haven't found a way on how to assign a strategy.[02:03:01] *** DeuS__ has quit IRC[02:14:19] <higuita> Ryushin: http://www.postfix.org/resource.html check the qmgr values[02:15:24] <rob0> You must have some really high volume. Time to tell the bosses to throw more money at the problem?[02:16:08] <higuita> i didnt understand that was the incoming queue you were talking about, but i had this problem in the past also (a major bounce spam attack) and IIRC, i solved it increasing this values, but be ware about your ram and swap under load, you need to tune for your machine[02:17:31] <higuita> after hitting the limit, the queue processing stop being smart, and one email that would be delivered fast before the limite will take a FIFO policy after that (IIRC)[02:19:14] <higuita> of course, more hardware helps, if not, lower the number of receiving daemons, it will "stop" brust of email by forcing the remote servers to defer the delivery[02:19:21] *** pitakill has joined #postfix[02:21:45] *** lala is now known as tortu[02:22:05] <higuita> for high delivery, you must always tune postfix, solve each bottleneck in each iteration, until you reach the limit and have to choose to add more hardware or defer emails[02:25:23] <higuita> also a config to send newsletters isnt the same as the big domain primary MX, one is tuned to send, the other to receive, so its usually best to have the high load sending smtp on a different machine from the high load receiving smtp[02:27:04] <higuita> if you have both on the same machine, assume that server will be under load and emails may have delays[02:29:33] *** hark has quit IRC[02:34:18] *** hark has joined #postfix[02:34:25] *** githogori has quit IRC[02:37:53] *** cafuego has quit IRC[02:40:47] <Ryushin> higuita: Okay. I'm going to do more research and try and tune each setting. This server just sends newsletters so I'll work on that.[02:41:27] <Ryushin> Oh well, enough for now. I've been working on this for the last 6 hours.[02:41:38] <Ryushin> Thanks for everyone's help.[02:42:14] <higuita> Ryushin: if its sending nesletters, try to deliver the same message to several recipients[02:43:08] <higuita> also, increase the starting concurrent delivery, so instead of starting slow and increase the delivery, do it the reverse (if needed)[02:45:47] <higuita> of course, if the newsletters is uniq for each user, the load will be higher... try to add a small delay on the newsletter "builder" program, to give more time for postfix to process what he already have (i have a newsletter that just send 2 emails/s ... it takes days to deliver all newsletters, but for the server is almost as there was any newsletter at all)[02:55:32] *** flami has quit IRC[02:58:11] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[03:04:56] *** Tachy has joined #postfix[03:07:33] *** kanzure has joined #postfix[03:07:42] <kanzure> "Warning: transport smtp failed" <-- not good?[03:08:12] <dragonheart> good guess[03:08:13] *** b4 has quit IRC[03:08:31] <kanzure> What might I do to correct this, dragonheart?[03:10:38] <kanzure> "fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp" also sounds bad .. how was sendmail able to send only an hour ago ??[03:13:00] *** _nalle has quit IRC[03:13:56] *** TomJ has joined #postfix[03:15:44] <rob0> My first WAG would be chroot.[03:15:48] <rob0> !debug[03:15:49] <knoba> rob0: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .[03:16:11] *** _nalle has joined #postfix[03:20:56] *** Tachy_ has quit IRC[03:22:48] <kanzure> rob0: chroot on what?[03:27:30] *** wdp has joined #postfix[03:31:28] *** etaylor has joined #postfix[03:36:27] *** djs_2_6 has joined #postfix[03:39:58] <confound> on whatever service died[03:50:49] <kanzure> how do you know a service died?[03:51:04] <kanzure> I don't think 'smtpd' exists, I have a man page for it but running it turns up nothing[03:54:24] <wdp> kanzure, you mean running "smtpd" on the console returns nothing?[03:54:31] <kanzure> wdp: correct[03:54:40] <kanzure> well; it does not run, because it does not exist[03:54:53] <wdp> smtpd: command not found[03:54:56] <kanzure> yes[03:55:10] <wdp> kanzure, on that box is postfix installed, running, and working.[03:55:25] <wdp> kanzure, it's a 'service' not a 'console-program'[03:55:32] <kanzure> On my box postfix is installed, running, and able to receive emails, but not send.[03:55:33] <kanzure> ah[03:55:40] <wdp> check your log.[03:55:46] <kanzure> okay[03:56:57] <kanzure> fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp[03:57:34] <wdp> kanzure, so most likely, you want to look into your /etc/services[03:57:38] <wdp> if you're running linux.[03:57:45] <wdp> check that there's an entry for smtp[03:57:58] <kanzure> smtp 25/tcp mail[03:58:03] <kanzure> that's my entry, is that typical?[03:58:08] <wdp> root@irulan ~ # cat /etc/services | grep smtp[03:58:08] <wdp> smtp 25/tcp mail[03:58:11] <wdp> sure.[03:58:14] <kanzure> alright[03:58:15] <kanzure> hmm[03:58:24] <wdp> alright. no further errors?[03:58:29] <kanzure> hold on :)[03:58:46] <kanzure> "Warning: transport smtp failed"[03:58:53] <kanzure> wdp: is that more helpful?[03:58:58] <rob0> I'm sorry, I thought the link I posted would have explained how to turn off chroot. Did you not look at it?[03:58:59] <wdp> not really.[03:59:20] <wdp> kanzure, you're using chroot?[03:59:24] <kanzure> am I??[03:59:26] <kanzure> I don't think so[03:59:30] <kanzure> why would I have to turn it off, if I am?[03:59:33] <wdp> maybe rob means someone else[03:59:35] <wdp> *shrugs*[03:59:38] <rob0> Ubuntu? Debian?[03:59:41] <kanzure> Debian[03:59:44] <rob0> chroot[03:59:45] <growltiger> debuntu[04:00:02] <wdp> kanzure, open /etc/postfix/master.cf[04:00:11] <kanzure> alright[04:00:12] <wdp> kanzure, there are little 'explainations'[04:00:17] <rob0> !tell kanzure debug[04:00:18] <wdp> look for chroot and disable it.[04:00:30] <kanzure> on everything that currently has it enabled?[04:00:43] * wdp never used chroot for postfix[04:01:00] <kanzure> hmm ... nothing has it enabled :)[04:01:17] <kanzure> ah,, unless "yes" is the default[04:01:29] <rob0> It's Debian, it's chroot.[04:01:40] <kanzure> That still makes no sense to me :)[04:01:43] <rob0> This comes up all the time.[04:02:10] <wdp> kanzure, there are always two things a system admin does: 1st - check the logs. if it's not helpful high or enable debugging. 2nd - check the logs again. 3rd if nothing helps - double check the logs. :p[04:02:22] <wdp> err three. late here[04:02:49] <wdp> kanzure, the smtp line in master.cf should look like this:[04:02:50] <wdp> smtp inet n - n - - smtpd[04:03:03] *** chris__ has joined #postfix[04:03:09] <rob0> wdp, Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition![04:03:11] <kanzure> wdp: I just changed it to that.[04:03:13] <wdp> and chroot, is per default yes. correct.[04:03:16] <kanzure> Monty Python :)[04:04:15] <kanzure> Hmm.. that didn't help. The mail I just sent via mutt didn't go through to my gmail test account.[04:04:16] <wdp> rob0 i like this channel, i always think i'm helpful[04:04:25] <wdp> rob0 may i stay here?[04:04:26] <wdp> :p[04:04:33] <kanzure> hah, what if he says no?[04:04:40] <wdp> kanzure, and.. what said the log?[04:04:50] <rob0> Just not ... no ... not ... THE COMFY CHAIR![04:05:05] *** Zelest has quit IRC[04:05:18] <kanzure> wdp: status=deferred (unknown transport error)[04:05:31] <kanzure> also: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling[04:05:32] <wdp> kanzure, have you enabled/highered debugging?[04:05:43] <rob0> nonono that is a bad idea[04:05:46] <kanzure> Not yet. Give me a few moments to go read the document[04:06:00] <kanzure> is it?[04:06:02] <wdp> ## For real Debugging purposes set peer_level to 3 and uncomment peer_list[04:06:02] <wdp> debug_peer_level = 1[04:06:02] <wdp> #debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1[04:06:07] <wdp> simply do it this way..[04:06:15] <wdp> :p[04:06:21] <rob0> Tell the whole story. What happened? Did this ever work? Were you following some kind of HOWTO?[04:07:03] <kanzure> Sendmail earlier tonight was allowing me to send, but not receive. That was no good. So I installed postfix as a replacement package; now I can receive, but not send, and I get those 'errors' from the logs.[04:07:06] <rob0> Verbose logging is only needed for obscure problems. This all sounds like a PEBKAC.[04:07:07] <kanzure> wdp: main.cf, right?[04:07:39] <wdp> kanzure, i acknownledge rob0, tell us first, what you're doing, have you followed any howto?[04:07:47] <kanzure> Nope, no howto[04:08:00] <rob0> So this is the Debian package right after an apt-get install, and you did nothing to configure it other than the Debian script?[04:08:17] <kanzure> rob0 - Correct. There was some configuration steps involved like setting up my hostname etc. which I think is typical[04:08:56] <kanzure> Ah, cool. I can send now[04:08:57] <rob0> what was the error before that "warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling"?[04:09:12] <kanzure> I forgot to do a postfix reload :([04:09:19] <wdp> *cough*[04:09:26] <kanzure> yeah ...[04:11:03] *** js has joined #postfix[04:11:09] <js> hi[04:11:14] <js> is it possible to let maildrop sort mails?[04:11:20] <js> or do I need procmail for that?[04:12:45] <kanzure> thanks wdp and rob0 :)[04:13:05] <wdp> not for that[04:13:17] <wdp> or no.. they say you're welcome[04:13:19] <wdp> right?[04:13:24] <wdp> :p[04:24:05] <chris__> Hello, I'm trying to send mail via IMAP/POP3 using a virtual mailbox. The problem is I'm able to receive mail from any source, but unable to send it. I'm using evolution, ubuntu 7.10, and postfix 2.4. I checked the logs (no errors), the error pops in evolution: connection refused by [my dns]. I'm able to send mail through the command line using mutt. I'm also using shorewall firewall, but from my understanding all outbo[04:24:06] <chris__> und connections by default are allowed, so (I think) the firewall isn't the problem.[04:26:29] <rob0> That's odd chris__, you mentioned everything except what's pertinent. What IMAPd are you using? Is it running? Is the port open?[04:26:38] <rob0> This is *not* a Postfix issue at all.[04:26:57] <chris__> Obviously, I have no clue what I'm doing :)[04:27:16] <chris__> How do I check what imapd im running?[04:27:30] <kanzure> Run around naked 3 times yelling "Linus! Linus!"[04:27:37] <wdp> rofl[04:27:42] <wdp> sorry[04:27:44] <wdp> :)[04:27:49] <rob0> I would suggest you spend some time to become familiar with how to use your OS.[04:28:07] <kanzure> rob0: Perhaps that is what Chris is doing now?[04:28:10] <rob0> Ubuntu has extensive documentation and user forums.[04:28:17] <kanzure> This is true[04:28:46] * kanzure wouldn't be using the fancy internet connection if it wasn't for Ubuntu's documentation that helped even in the case of non-Ubuntuage.[04:29:41] <chris__> I have gmail imap up and running using evolution, would it still be an issue with my os because im sending mail via imap using a virtual mailbox?[04:29:52] <wdp> chris__, google for "package management ubuntu" the package management will always tell you the truth about your system (for example the installed imapd)[04:30:30] *** wdp has quit IRC[04:31:01] <rob0> IMAP is not used for sending mail.[04:31:51] *** hark has quit IRC[04:32:47] <rob0> afk[04:33:09] <chris__> oh right, i mean smtp, perhaps I will go read up on mail on ubuntu, thanks...[04:35:17] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|bbl[04:41:11] *** githogori has joined #postfix[05:10:10] *** Mavvie has joined #postfix[05:10:45] *** Mavvie has joined #postfix[05:19:58] *** kanzure has left #postfix[05:25:41] *** ek has joined #Postfix[05:41:46] *** js has left #postfix[05:53:43] *** m00tpoint has joined #postfix[05:54:17] <m00tpoint> Is it possible to make postfix change the destination domain name before relaying to another server?[05:55:22] <m00tpoint> hellloooooooooooo[06:02:17] <m00tpoint> anyone in here??[06:07:21] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[06:08:39] <m00tpoint> Is it possible to make postfix change the destination domain name before relaying to another server?[06:09:15] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:09:17] <dec> m00tpoint: have you read the "On using IRC" link in the topic?[06:09:24] <dec> If not, perhaps you should.[06:09:37] <m00tpoint> Sorry, will do.[06:09:47] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:09:48] <m00tpoint> It's been 10 yrs or so.[06:12:07] *** m00tpoint has left #postfix[06:27:43] *** tortu has quit IRC[07:02:24] *** slackjr has joined #postfix[07:18:26] *** pitakill has quit IRC[07:26:05] *** theblackbox has quit IRC[07:29:15] *** slackjr has quit IRC[07:43:30] *** nclx has joined #postfix[07:44:26] <nclx> I'm trying to get voicemail to email me from asterisk. I specified in my voicemail.conf serveremail=vm at mydomain dot com and fromstring=vm at mydomain dot com asterisk sits on pbx.mydomain.com, the mail server is mail.mydomain.com, but every time it emails it is rejected because it is sending as root at pbx dot mydomain.com which is an internal DNS name, it should be sending as vm at mydomain dot com, any ideas why it isn't? postfix is the MTA /usr/sbin/sendmail -t is the[07:44:45] <nclx> ix just wondering if I could have messed up my postfix config to change the outgoing address[08:11:21] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[08:17:01] *** kreg_lt has joined #postfix[08:17:26] <kreg_lt> anyone checked out xerxes front end?[08:25:08] *** ek has quit IRC[08:29:54] *** sn00p- has joined #postfix[08:30:35] *** ek has joined #Postfix[08:31:41] <sn00p-> I'm installing postfix, and i am wondering which type of mail system I should setup null client or local or stand alone. I want my users to be able to send and recieve email on the system and from their home computer such as outlook so i'm using dovecot to do that.. So What type of setup should I follow, null local network or stand alone?[08:49:21] *** rcsu has joined #postfix[08:50:27] *** internat2 has joined #postfix[08:50:39] *** internat85 has quit IRC[08:59:04] *** hparker has quit IRC[09:01:56] *** war has joined #postfix[09:17:10] <sn00p-> Which method should I use /var/mail or /var/spool/mail?[09:19:39] *** Zeit|idle has joined #postfix[09:19:58] *** growltiger has quit IRC[09:33:05] <sn00p-> anybody around?[09:33:37] *** pirho has joined #postfix[09:33:57] <dragonheart> ref location - its rather abitary though /var/spool/mail is probably more current on linux systems. not sure about bsd[09:35:23] <dragonheart> ref setup - its not a null local cause you want it to receive emails and send emails (using sasl dovecot auth)[09:35:33] <dragonheart> sn00p-: yes ^[09:35:50] <sn00p-> Ok,[09:36:10] <sn00p-> I just sent some mail to my server, where is my mail going that I sent?[09:36:32] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:38:06] <dragonheart> did you look in /var/spool/mail/?[09:39:15] <sn00p-> there isn't a mail directory[09:41:20] *** githogori has quit IRC[09:41:40] <sn00p-> how come there isn't a mail dir?[09:44:27] <sn00p-> ?[09:52:19] <dragonheart> have you set a maildir? have you created the users? what does your log say?[09:52:44] <sn00p-> How do I create a maildir?[09:53:07] <sn00p-> i'm using the users /etc/passwd[09:53:10] <dragonheart> if the toplevel directory exists postfix will deliver to it[09:53:22] *** Luxor2 has joined #postfix[09:53:39] <sn00p-> /var/spool/mail[09:53:42] <sn00p-> doesn't exist[09:54:07] <dragonheart> i've set home_mailbox = Maildir/ on onesystem. look up the docs on mail deliver. does /var/mail exists?[09:54:47] <sn00p-> /var/mail exists[09:56:01] <sn00p-> I have home_mailbox = Maildir/[09:56:43] <dragonheart> does the user have a ~/Maildir directory?[09:56:50] <dragonheart> if not create it[09:57:04] <sn00p-> no[09:57:25] <dragonheart> good idea to mkdir /etc/skel/Maildir so its automaticly created with the users[09:58:12] <sn00p-> ok[09:58:20] <sn00p-> it has maildir now[09:58:28] <sn00p-> ok[09:58:29] <sn00p-> that fixed it[09:58:31] <sn00p-> ;)[09:58:47] <dragonheart> good[09:58:50] <dragonheart> have fun[09:58:51] <sn00p-> thx[09:59:27] <sn00p-> what is the /etc/skel[10:00:28] <sn00p-> Gotta figure out my domains now[10:08:35] *** amrit|bbl is now known as amrit|zzz[10:17:17] *** growltiger has joined #postfix[10:17:20] *** duki has joined #postfix[10:25:32] *** Lap_64 has joined #postfix[10:34:11] *** Filbert has quit IRC[10:35:31] *** af_ has joined #postfix[10:44:31] *** Filbert has joined #postfix[11:12:28] *** |DeuS| has joined #postfix[11:14:08] *** bkw has joined #postfix[11:15:00] *** theblackbox has joined #postfix[11:20:29] *** sn00p- has quit IRC[11:43:44] *** Gecko has quit IRC[11:43:58] *** Gek_ has joined #postfix[11:46:02] *** af_ has quit IRC[11:55:38] *** bkw has quit IRC[12:03:13] *** prebur has quit IRC[12:11:20] *** winsct_za has joined #postfix[12:12:55] <winsct_za> good morning #postfix, i am sending newsletters on behalf of some domains. i have spf records setup, and reverse dns. my question is: in my postfix i have myorigin = $mydomain but i send for many different domains, so then myorigin != $domain - and my mail for gmail gos to spam, how do i cure this?[12:13:09] *** havvg has joined #postfix[12:23:22] *** prebur has joined #postfix[12:35:57] <winsct_za> using canonical maps to rewrite the from :) working soooo nicely YEA!!![12:36:13] *** winsct_za has quit IRC[12:38:33] *** weggpod has joined #postfix[13:05:22] *** cilly has quit IRC[13:36:24] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[13:36:45] *** weggpod has quit IRC[13:44:44] *** Roobarb-Work has quit IRC[13:58:00] *** madclicker has quit IRC[14:07:24] *** wdp has joined #postfix[14:23:08] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[14:27:46] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[14:32:25] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[14:41:50] *** wsxws has joined #postfix[14:41:55] <wsxws> hi all again[14:42:34][14:43:07] <sysmonk> uh ah, always wanted to try that :P[14:43:20] <sysmonk> but i don't have a domain with special chars ;/[14:43:27] <wdp> http://www.denic.de/de/domains/idns/index.html[14:43:36] <wdp> @ wsxws[14:44:00] <sysmonk> wdp: and, what's that about ?[14:44:01] <sysmonk> ;)[14:44:04] <wsxws> dont get me wrong please, my emailclient is able to send them[14:44:06] <wdp> wsxws, try it with the ACE-String[14:44:14] <wsxws> thaqt not the point[14:44:15] <wdp> like you would do in the webserver.[14:44:31] <sysmonk> wsxws: what's the domain name ?[14:45:03] <wsxws> i patched my outlook on my homepc and when i send an email from there using my gmx-account i can send the email, if i try to send using an account on my own server it does not work[14:45:12][14:45:27] <wsxws> the website is hosted somewhere else[14:45:31] <wsxws> and it is not my domain[14:45:41] <wsxws> i just want to be able to send emails to such domains[14:46:07] <sysmonk> ugh, i even can't resolve it :P[14:46:14] <wsxws> hehe[14:46:27] <wsxws> try to resolve xn--knpper-cua.de[14:46:43] <sysmonk> ye, that works[14:46:56] <wsxws> i know[14:47:02] <sysmonk> but the whole idea isn't about resolving that :P[14:47:12] <wsxws> so hosting of such sites is no prob at all, hosting can be done using that codes[14:47:56] <wsxws> but if u have such a domain you cant tell evrybody not to send to that shitty code instead of using the domainname[14:48:12] <sysmonk> sure, but that's not the point[14:48:18] <sysmonk> what does postfix say about mailing to that domain?[14:48:24] <sysmonk> i think it can't resolve it too[14:48:28] <wsxws> and like i said befoe, i can send emails there using my gmx-account but otusing one of my account and that not acceptable[14:49:07] <wsxws> hm dont have such a patched outlook over here right now[14:49:23] <wsxws> wait a sec ill gogle for the patch and insall one over here to tell u the exact error messae[14:53:31] <wsxws> okies[14:53:40] <wsxws> i dont uderstand that error[14:53:52][14:54:39] <wsxws> relay access denied[14:54:51] <wsxws> what does that mean / what could course that ?[14:55:10][14:55:24] <wsxws> normaly postfix should transport it, shoulndt it ?[14:58:21] <sysmonk> wsxws: you have to put the xn-- thing in postfix[14:58:34] <sysmonk> now postfix just doesn't accept mail to xn--..[15:00:23] <wsxws> where to put that ?[15:00:42] <wsxws> and in which syntax[15:00:53] <wsxws> or somply what do i have to add where ? ;)[15:08:53] <wsxws> hm[15:09:28] <wsxws> sometimes i wander what this channel is aboutm all normal questions did i solve myself and any special question do not become answered[15:09:31] <wsxws> :([15:10:41] *** Sieg has joined #postfix[15:10:43] *** TomJ has quit IRC[15:14:19] *** Sieg_ has joined #postfix[15:15:02] <sysmonk> wsxws: put it in your mydestination, virtual_alias_domains, or whatever you use[15:15:37] <sysmonk> this channel is about postfix, and sorry, but it's saturday here, and people have other stuff to do, but trie to help in the free time[15:15:50] <sysmonk> s/trie/try/ :)[15:16:03] <wsxws> my destination ?[15:16:07] <sysmonk> wsxws: and what to add = 'xn---knpper-cua.de'[15:16:07] <wsxws> thos arent my domains[15:16:16] <wsxws> i want so sent emails not to recieve them[15:16:53] <sysmonk> wsxws: hm, the receiving server doesn't accept mail to xn--knpper-cua.de[15:16:59] <wsxws> i just want to enable postif to sent such things[15:17:16] <wsxws> u really dont read what i write, do u ?[15:17:49] <wsxws> when i send exact the same email from exact the samew outlook just not using my server to send emails it works[15:18:00] <sysmonk> wsxws: i do understand[15:18:06] <sysmonk> and i do read what you write[15:18:11] <wsxws> i send them over gmx (which is a free email services provider) the emails become delivered[15:18:18] <sysmonk> wsxws: look, i can't see all your logs, so i'm just guessing[15:18:41] <sysmonk> i think postfix rewrites the special chars[15:18:44] <sysmonk> so the domain is xn--knpper-cua.de[15:18:49] <wsxws> [15:17] <sysmonk> wsxws: hm, the receiving server doesn't accept mail to xn--knpper-cua.de <<-- when i can send eiamils there using gmx how can this be right ?[15:18:56] <wsxws> no[15:18:59] <sysmonk> now, when sending mail to oliver at xn--knpper-cua dot de - the mail server doesn't accept the mail[15:19:02] <wsxws> postfix does not rewriote anything[15:19:21] <wsxws> the translation from IDN to punycode (ACE) is done by my patched outlook[15:19:33] <wsxws> jesus christ[15:20:09] <wsxws> the emailserver on the otherside works fine, doesnt matte if i use IDN or ACE (when i send oer gmx)[15:20:12] *** eject_ck has joined #postfix[15:20:17] <sysmonk> wsxws: err[15:20:18] <sysmonk> wsxws: it does[15:20:20] <wsxws> when i sent over my server nothing works[15:20:23] <sysmonk> wait a moment[15:20:25] <sysmonk> i'll show you[15:22:32] <sysmonk> damn pastebin[15:23:19] <wsxws> thats intresting[15:23:34] <wsxws> when i send it over outlook it doesnt send that email[15:23:37] <sysmonk> wsxws: http://p.data.lt/187[15:23:48] <sysmonk> it doesn't work, see ?[15:23:57] <wsxws> when i send it usig squirrelmail (directly writing xn--) it sends an email[15:23:59] <sysmonk> the server doesn't accept mail to oliver at xn dot ..[15:24:37] <wsxws> it worked[15:25:00] <wsxws> the error on your message is user unknown, thats right atm that mailbox doesnt exist[15:25:13] <wsxws> or in other ways i just need to get forward till i get that error[15:25:19] <wdp> anyone here can suggest a good howto for using procmail with postfix doing per-address sorting?[15:25:35] <sysmonk> rcpt to:<oliver at xn--knpper-cua dot de>[15:25:35] <sysmonk> 550 relay not permitted[15:26:02] <sysmonk> woops :) telneted to the wrong server :)[15:26:13] <wsxws> look[15:26:16] <sysmonk> but it may be the reason too, i telnet'ed to the host where the web is runing[15:26:18] <sysmonk> not to the mx[15:26:19] <sysmonk> anyway[15:26:22] <wsxws> using squirrelmail i get <oliver at xn--knpper-cua dot de>: host mx0.xn--knpper-cua.de[80.237.138.5] said: 550[15:26:22] <wsxws> User unknown (ID:440:1:2 (mi028.mc1.hosteurope.de)) (in reply to RCPT TO[15:26:22] <wsxws> command)[15:26:23] <sysmonk> wsxws: we NEED the logs[15:26:34] <wsxws> u got the errormessage[15:26:35] <sysmonk> wsxws: yup, what i was talking about[15:26:40] <wsxws> thats fine[15:26:44] <wsxws> then sending works[15:26:49] <sysmonk> wsxws: it's the same i was showing you[15:26:50] <sysmonk> yes[15:26:55] <wsxws> but using outlook it does not[15:26:56] <sysmonk> but the remote server doesn't accept the mail[15:27:03] <sysmonk> so we're back to where we were at the begining[15:27:10] <wsxws> thatr fine, that mailboy does not exist, that realy okay[15:27:16] <wsxws> no we are not[15:27:21] <wsxws> try to read once more[15:27:31] <wsxws> getting that error is great[15:27:34] <wsxws> okay ?[15:27:46] <sysmonk> nevermind[15:27:54] <sysmonk> i just said that the remote server doesn't accept the mail[15:27:55] <wsxws> getting another error before the answer user does not exist is not fine[15:27:58] <sysmonk> and it was what i said at the very begining[15:28:34] <sysmonk> wsxws: relay denied is relay denied, and as i said, we need logs for that[15:28:37] <sysmonk> not what outlook says[15:28:40] <sysmonk> but what postfix says[15:30:43] <wsxws> postfixerror would be in mail.err right ?[15:30:59] <sysmonk> depends on your distribution[15:31:03] <sysmonk> and syslog configuration[15:32:16] <sysmonk> oh, or are you talking about syslog facility ? :)[15:32:25] <sysmonk> i think that mail.info would be enough here[15:32:28] <wsxws> anyway gotta run now, ill try to come back lateron[15:32:35] <sysmonk> wsxws: same here, got to go[15:32:53] *** Lap_64 has quit IRC[15:32:59] *** wsxws has quit IRC[15:40:11] *** tinus has left #postfix[15:47:33] *** unixtippse has left #postfix[15:47:35] *** unixtippse has joined #postfix[15:48:35] *** eject_ck has quit IRC[15:49:53] *** Doug52392 has 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#postfix[17:44:41] *** mark-use has joined #postfix[17:47:25] *** githogori has quit IRC[17:49:34] <mark-use> hi all[17:52:11] *** pirho has quit IRC[17:53:21] *** pirho has joined #postfix[17:56:44] <Ryushin> Since Postfix seems more disk IO bound than anything else on my system, how much of an improvement do you think a RAM disk would make?[17:59:10] <sepski> Ryushin, what you think happen to the mails in your queue if the power goes...[17:59:16] <hparker> Asides from killing reliability in the event of a power failure?[18:00:59] <sepski> probably increase performance tho, but i guess none have bothered benchmaring such a unreliable mailqueue[18:01:09] <hparker> Add more spindles, a lot safer[18:01:23] *** j_s has quit IRC[18:01:53] <sepski> yes multiple spindles of the speedy kind.[18:05:26] <infester> sorry for a very low question, but if i get it right i can use postfix as an smtp server?[18:06:21] <infester> i followed a guide using dovecot and postfix... recieving mail works fine, but not sending mail...[18:06:50] <infester> my bad, recieving mail doesnt work, but sending does[18:14:09] *** davedoom2 has left #postfix[18:20:26] *** j_s has joined #postfix[18:22:23] *** solar_ant has joined #postfix[18:23:52] *** j_s has quit IRC[18:24:04] <Ryushin> sepski: There are some hardware ramdisks that have battery backup for a number of hours. These servers will be in a datacenter and should never be turned off.[18:24:20] *** sharp15 has joined #postfix[18:24:44] <Ryushin> Maybe changing from reiserfs to xfs will also help the issue.[18:25:19] <Ryushin> I hashed the directory structure two levels deep. The OS and queue are on a single raid 1 setup.[18:25:23] <sepski> Ryushin, i'd still not trust it with my mailspool[18:26:18] <sepski> but it's you ass on the line, if it's a insignificant mailserver for only a few domains, and you wont get sued for loosing them their contract then go ahead[18:27:31] <Ryushin> Well, I'm trying to get the mail out of the system as fast as possible. There aren't many ramdrives to choose from. And most of them are pretty darn small.[18:27:44] <Ryushin> So which file system should I use? XFS?[18:27:56] <sharp15> is there a way to have postfix deliver mail to my isp's smtp server?[18:27:57] <Ryushin> Purchase some SAS 15K drives then?[18:28:11] <Ryushin> sharp15: relayhost =[18:28:33] <sharp15> Ryushin: thank you. i'm a little lost at the moment.[18:29:05] *** Bejgli has quit IRC[18:29:15] <Ryushin> I've been lost my entire life. :)[18:29:34] <sepski> Ryushin, ifs is a nice choise on HUGE files.[18:29:55] <Ryushin> Set up different spindles for incoming and deferred?[18:30:14] <Ryushin> Well, these are a ton of little files.[18:30:38] <Ryushin> I figure XFS will be the best under load. ReiserFS which is what I'm using now seem to bog down under load.[18:32:43] <mark-use> ??? postfix/lmtp[54993]: send attr reason = host 88.198.116.108[88.198.116.108] said: 503 5.1.0 Authentication Required (in reply to MAIL FROM command)[18:33:12] <mark-use> ^^what could bring this??[18:35:39] *** j_s has joined #postfix[18:40:18] *** hark has quit IRC[18:40:19] *** solar_ant has quit IRC[18:41:25] *** sharp15 has quit IRC[18:42:47] *** solar_ant has joined #postfix[18:51:56] *** Bejgli has joined #postfix[18:53:39] *** rmayorga has joined #postfix[19:03:35] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[19:14:49] *** rmayorga has quit IRC[19:15:34] *** rmayorga has joined #postfix[19:17:40] *** cappiz has joined #postfix[19:18:19] <cappiz> is it possible to relay a domain, and at the same time scan those mails with amavis?[19:18:20] <sepski> mark-use, authentication requiered is not self explaining enoughf ?[19:18:41] <sepski> cappiz, yes.[19:19:34] *** rmayorga has quit IRC[19:19:37] <cappiz> sepski, you got any clues of what i might be missing, atm it relays it, but doesnt scan it. Mail hosted by the server gets scanned.[19:20:05] *** rmayorga has joined #postfix[19:20:51] <cappiz> suddenly i stoped, i got some logs of when it did scan:S[19:21:26] <sepski> i scan on incoming, so i have no idea how you managed to avoid it getting scanned at all[19:22:58] <sepski> have you perhaps excluded it somehow ?[19:23:15] <cappiz> hum... what i notice is, it doesnt show up in log anymore[19:23:33] <cappiz> the relaying works fine, but nothing og what gets relayed shows up[19:23:40] <sepski> sounds like the mx have changed to not point to your spamrelay[19:23:47] <sepski> and it's sent directly to the recipient server[19:24:00] <cappiz> it cant :P[19:24:44] <cappiz> at least i think[19:24:56] <sepski> it should show in logs[19:25:01] <cappiz> mm[19:25:12] <sepski> check the headers on one of the mails to see where it's been ?[19:25:25] <cappiz> im trying... :P[19:25:30] <cappiz> not that easy with this client[19:26:21] <cappiz> it has been here[19:28:49] <cappiz> ah lol[19:28:54] <cappiz> i might know what it is :P[19:30:56] <cappiz> or not, i dont understand ;S[19:31:24] *** hemry has joined #postfix[19:39:53] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix[19:40:47] <infester> hi, I'm having trouble sending messages via smtp outside my machine... /var/syslog/ tells me this: Nov 3 19:34:32 bmapped postfix/smtp[27755]: 87C9FE5F4106: to=<my at mail dot com>, relay=mx13.azalea.se[83.168.245.30]:25, delay=15, delays=0.29/0.01/10/4.3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok 1194115028 qp 5054)[19:40:59] <infester> doesnt that mean that it successfully sended the message via smtp? :o[19:44:24] <jduggan> yes[19:44:35] *** sharp15 has joined #postfix[19:47:35] *** netcrash has joined #postfix[19:48:43] <infester> can you give me a clue on how to search for the problem? getting really upset here :P works perfect to send mail inside the machine, so i guess it's postfix fault i cannot communicate with my client[19:49:38] <infester> btw, i tried making a .forward-file with my external mail, and sending a mail to my internal mail. worked perfectly :S[19:49:45] <rob0> You haven't given a clue about what the problem is. Is mx13.azalea.se discarding your mail?[19:49:59] *** n3kl_ has joined #postfix[19:50:43] <infester> thats some kind of gateway my other email uses i guess, i registered my mail domain via it[19:51:25] <infester> rob0: yes i did, the problem is my mailsystem only works inside my machine...[19:51:28] <rob0> A complete problem description is needed.[19:51:41] <rob0> Munged domains will be ignored.[19:51:54] <rob0> I know you don't own mail.com.[19:52:55] <infester> i dont know what information you want. I'm using postfix+dovecot, imap and smtp, want me to upload master.cf and main.cf?[19:54:59] <infester> but the strange thing is, that if i use the mail forward system on for example user test, and i mail the user test from another user on the machine, the mail gets delivered to the forwardadress[19:55:14] *** cappiz has quit IRC[20:05:31] <sharp15> is creating my own CA necessary for having postfix use my relayhost over a TLS/SSL connection? i was looking at this http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1673/[20:06:11] *** n3kl has quit IRC[20:06:39] *** hemry has quit IRC[20:09:38] <sharp15> sorry. need to proofread before hitting send. do i need to create a ca key, etc. or is that how-to creating unnecessary work?[20:10:12] <rob0> infester: "problem description" means "tell what is not working and what you would like to see working."[20:10:15] <rob0> !basic[20:10:15] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[20:11:16] <rob0> sharp15: if you already have a CA, you can use that. You can also use a purchased SSL cert.[20:11:40] <sharp15> rob0: so i need to provide one. ok.[20:11:57] <rob0> The same cert might be used for more than one service too, such as https and IMAP and SMTP.[20:12:24] <rob0> AFAIK yes, you do have to have your cert signed by some authority.[20:12:40] *** kreg_lt_ has joined #postfix[20:13:16] <sharp15> just seemed odd because it wasn't being used to authenticate me.[20:13:42] *** infester has quit IRC[20:18:01] *** kreg_lt has quit IRC[20:20:30] *** chris__ has quit IRC[20:23:14] <netcrash> thanks and good night[20:23:37] <netcrash> wrong channel[20:25:58] *** sharp15 has quit IRC[20:27:22] *** hemry has joined #postfix[20:31:51] *** cappiz has joined #postfix[20:32:37] <cappiz> i have this alias: test at domain dot com user1 at domain dot com, user2 at domain dot com - i also want to send the mail to user@localhost[20:32:47] <cappiz> but when i enter it i get this: mail for localhost loops back to myself[20:32:54] <cappiz> how can i work aorund it? :)[20:39:17] *** netcrash has quit IRC[20:39:42] *** nclx has quit IRC[20:40:10] <rob0> !loopback[20:40:11] <knoba> rob0: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[20:44:55] <cappiz> hum[20:45:12] <cappiz> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf, hash:/etc/postfix/virtual-aliases[20:45:20] <cappiz> in that file i have the aliases[20:45:30] <cappiz> in this format: test at domain dot com user1 at domain dot com, user2 at domain dot com[20:50:49] *** kreg_lt_ has quit IRC[20:51:25] <cappiz> hum[20:56:33] *** cappiz has quit IRC[20:57:43] *** ziyax has joined #postfix[21:11:21] *** Ramoni has joined #postfix[21:12:42] *** bkw has joined #postfix[21:15:58] *** UQlev has quit IRC[21:34:14] *** sepski has quit IRC[21:37:55] *** tris has quit IRC[21:47:12] *** felix_da_catz has quit IRC[22:04:32] *** hemry has quit IRC[22:06:29] *** LoRez has quit IRC[22:10:46] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit[22:11:40] *** meandtheshell has quit IRC[22:25:57] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[22:26:02] *** githogori has joined #postfix[22:31:52] *** x-spec-t has joined #postfix[22:45:48] *** bkw has quit IRC[22:49:15] *** Spec has quit IRC[22:49:56] *** etaylor has quit IRC[22:56:15] *** hemry has joined #postfix[22:57:59] *** Luxor2 has quit IRC[22:58:33] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[23:00:14] *** UQlev has quit IRC[23:37:57] *** j_s has quit IRC[23:39:10] *** amrit is now known as amrit|bbl[23:43:35] *** rockets has joined #postfix[23:43:54] <rockets> Anybody know what it meanst to put postfix into "client mode"?