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[00:01:36] <tuxcrafter> mh_le: i only got a problem when you do it like this and that is that also incoming connections must be authenticated and that means you are likely not to receive any mail than the one you send yourself
[00:01:36] <tuxcrafter> many can you confirm this please?
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[00:03:53] <mh_le> smtp auth is perfectly possible without blocking incomming mail... just getting it to use the db is the issue
[00:05:34] <tuxcrafter> mh_le: sorry i am not experienced enough with postfix to be able to help you on this point
[00:05:42] <aldin> my ISP blocks port 25 (IN/OUT) , i used smarthost -> relayhost = myISP, so now i can send mails from my machine but cant receive, what to do to be able to receive mail? thanks in advance
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[00:06:43] <aldin> hparker: many:?
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[00:08:12] <blueyed> I've changed my config (e.g. to use smtpd_proxy_filter, for smtp) and now I'm getting "unknown user" bounces from pickup'ed mails. See http://pastebin.ca/523786 - what's wrong?
[00:08:33] <tuxcrafter> strict_rfc821_envelopes can i use this option
[00:08:43] <tuxcrafter> will it not stop email from MS clients
[00:08:51] <tuxcrafter> This stops mail from poorly written software.
[00:08:56] <tuxcrafter> this is not very specific
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[00:22:51] <Azhi_Dahaka> hi
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[00:23:07] <Azhi_Dahaka> i'm trying to setup a mail server on OsX but i'm getting this error on the smtp log
[00:23:08] <Azhi_Dahaka> relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused)
[00:23:45] <Azhi_Dahaka> any ideas?
[00:24:54] <aldin> Azhi_Dahaka: what is in ur /etc/postfix/main.cf
[00:25:00] <xpoint> content_filter ?
[00:25:11] <aldin> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
[00:25:58] <aldin> my ISP blocks port 25 (IN/OUT) , i used smarthost -> relayhost = myISP, so now i can send mails from my machine but cant receive, what to do to be able to receive mail? thanks in advance
[00:26:01] <xpoint> why is "postconf -d | grep mynetworks" needed to change ?
[00:26:16] <aldin> xpoint: i just guess
[00:26:20] <aldin> i am newbie too
[00:26:30] <aldin> i am showing him mine main.cf which works
[00:26:35] <aldin> with sending
[00:26:52] <aldin> so he could compare...
[00:26:57] <Azhi_Dahaka> in which part, aldin?
[00:27:06] <xpoint> if your isp blocks port 25 how do you then send mail ?
[00:27:30] <aldin> xpoint: i use smarthost "relayhost = mail.europronet.ba"
[00:27:41] <aldin> Azhi_Dahaka: /etc/postfix/main.cf
[00:27:45] <xpoint> this is still port 25
[00:28:00] <Azhi_Dahaka> aldin, i mean what are you looking for
[00:28:03] <aldin> Azhi_Dahaka: in my conf it says mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
[00:28:03] <Azhi_Dahaka> is pretty long
[00:28:16] <Azhi_Dahaka> mynetworks = 192.168.16.0/24,127.0.0.1
[00:28:21] <aldin> xpoint: i know but this work
[00:28:31] <aldin> i sent succesfully mail on my gmail account
[00:28:36] <aldin> and it came
[00:28:45] <aldin> but withotu it connectin refused...
[00:28:59] <xpoint> aldin, yes this is standard when isp require relay through them
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[00:29:54] <xpoint> your postfix is client, but it needs to know the wan ip aswell
[00:29:55] <aldin> Azhi_Dahaka: dont know u have 127.0.0.1
[00:30:07] <rob0> If the ISP blocks inbound SMTP, forget it. You have to have an MX listening on 25.
[00:30:12] <aldin> xpoint: did u tell that to me or him
[00:30:27] <aldin> rob0: how to do that would u help me here
[00:30:53] <rob0> Get a different ISP, or tell this one to open up inbound SMTP.
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[00:31:18] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, remove mynetworks if you are on dunamic ip
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[00:31:26] <Azhi_Dahaka> ok
[00:31:27] <aldin> rob0: so in is "broken" definetely? only send through relayhost can work?
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[00:31:44] <aldin> rob0: inbound if no 25 is open?
[00:32:06] <xpoint> aldin, yes when the isp force you to use there smtp then use relayhost in postfix
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[00:33:19] <xpoint> rob0, maybe Azhi_Dahaka is dynamic ip, then its perfectly ok with closed smtp port 25 to this ip
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[00:34:06] <Azhi_Dahaka> the mail is not getting out of the server
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[00:36:39] <Azhi_Dahaka> i can log in into the smtp server, but there are no messages getting out of it
[00:36:41] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, even if you configure relayhost ?
[00:36:54] <Azhi_Dahaka> what's relayhost?
[00:37:13] <xpoint> show postconf -n on pastebin
[00:37:23] <Azhi_Dahaka> ok
[00:38:33] <Azhi_Dahaka> http://pastebin.ca/523861
[00:38:47] <xpoint> if you use the computer as a local mailserver where postfix is client it should work out of the box
[00:39:09] <Azhi_Dahaka> i'm using OSX
[00:39:17] <Azhi_Dahaka> Server Edition
[00:40:51] <tuxcrafter> bye guys
[00:40:56] <tuxcrafter> need some sleep
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[00:41:15] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, is 200.74.147.202 static to you ?
[00:41:29] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, as in newer changes ?
[00:41:31] <Azhi_Dahaka> yep
[00:41:40] <xpoint> good
[00:41:49] <aldin> rob0: ? so to make things clear: i have 25 blocked by ISP (inbound/outbound), ok, so i made my postfix to send mail by tweaking main.cf with "relayhost = myisp", but i cant receive mail, so is it it or isn't it possible to do other tweak to accept/receive mail from others?
[00:41:50] <xpoint> if it was not then remove it
[00:41:53] <aldin> xpoint: ?
[00:42:32] <Azhi_Dahaka> ok
[00:42:44] <xpoint> aldin, your isp must then be configured to do backup mx for you i belive
[00:43:06] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, what error do you get ?
[00:43:23] <aldin> xpoint: can u exlain what ix MX
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[00:43:26] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, is the content_filter working ?
[00:43:29] <aldin> btw i use dynamic IP
[00:43:32] <aldin> and dyndns.org
[00:43:37] <Azhi_Dahaka> o=relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused)
[00:43:53] <hparker> aldin: My advice, get a business class connection with a static IP
[00:44:09] <xpoint> hparker, hi :-)
[00:44:17] <hparker> Azhi_Dahaka: You have a content filter configured that isn't running from the looks of it
[00:44:20] <hparker> lo xpoint
[00:44:29] <Azhi_Dahaka> could be that?
[00:44:41] <hparker> amavisd-new or something
[00:45:21] <Azhi_Dahaka> yo mean spam filter?
[00:45:35] <hparker> Or something you configured that isn't running
[00:45:51] <xpoint> hparker, got my single cpu opteron started againg, will just make it with a gentoo desktop, but its still working, the batteri for bios was flat and it missed a jumper, sorry for being ot :)
[00:45:51] <w0rd54> anyone use assp?
[00:45:59] <Azhi_Dahaka> i stopped the mail check
[00:46:05] <hparker> xpoint: ;)
[00:46:08] <Azhi_Dahaka> but still, nothing goes out of the queue
[00:46:20] <hparker> Azhi_Dahaka: Ok, but you didn't reconfigure postfix not to use it
[00:46:34] <aldin> hparker: ok, i am just ordinary user "hackin" linux... so i got mailserver to learn to work on it, but noone of u wont tell me if it is possible to "relay" so i could get mails like i "relay" for sending?
[00:46:52] <Azhi_Dahaka> i turned it off on mail assistant
[00:46:56] <w0rd54> anyone use assp??@$!%!?
[00:47:04] <Azhi_Dahaka> should i erase that line?
[00:47:11] <hparker> aldin: I told you how... If the ISP also blocks inbound to it's residential stuff, there's nothing *you* can do
[00:47:25] <hparker> Azhi_Dahaka: I have no idea about OS X
[00:47:26] <w0rd54> adlin: you can get a service from noip.com to change the port
[00:47:35] <w0rd54> aldin: and then you can run your own mailserver
[00:47:36] <hparker> vim is my configuration tool
[00:47:37] <w0rd54> it will cost you $$$ tho
[00:47:43] <xpoint> aldin, if your isp agre to do backup mx for you then you can put postfix to work with smtpd, else you have to have this external
[00:48:00] <Azhi_Dahaka> ok, no problem...
[00:48:13] <Azhi_Dahaka> should i comment the content-filter line?
[00:48:40] <xpoint> aldin, ask them about backup mx, if thay say go, then just add there smtp server as mx in your domain
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[00:49:58] <aldin> w0rd54: thanks but i am "broke" hehe i use dyndns.org and dynamic ip for "domain" just learning some stuffs (apache/samba/postfix/ssh etc)
[00:50:19] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, the error says that your content_filter is not working, so get it working or disable this filter
[00:50:24] <aldin> ok, guys just this one could someone explain me what is mx which xpoint mention
[00:50:57] <Azhi_Dahaka> already did that
[00:51:00] <xpoint> aldin, you want your postfix to work as a smtpd server ?
[00:51:16] <xpoint> aldin, not just as a smtp client ?
[00:51:35] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, then stop postfix
[00:51:43] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, start postfix
[00:51:52] <Azhi_Dahaka> http://pastebin.ca/523891
[00:51:58] <Azhi_Dahaka> already did that
[00:51:59] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, postsuper -r ALL
[00:52:08] <aldin> xpoint: it is server AFAIK? 220 kapetano.dyndns.org ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
[00:52:09] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, postfix reload
[00:52:32] <aldin> xpoint: is it?
[00:53:12] <aldin> i have IMAP POP3 (Courier)
[00:53:18] <xpoint> aldin, this is YOUR server in postfix, but if you have dunamic ip no one knows where your server is
[00:53:26] <Azhi_Dahaka> nothing
[00:53:42] <Azhi_Dahaka> sudo postsuper -r ALL
[00:53:47] <Azhi_Dahaka> postsuper: Requeued: 20 messages
[00:53:54] <aldin> smtpd - Mail proxy for firewalls with anti-spam and anti-relay features
[00:53:58] <aldin> is it this?
[00:54:02] <xpoint> aldin, dont confuse postfix server with couerier-pop3
[00:54:05] <w0rd54> anyone use assp?
[00:54:20] <aldin> desc: Smtpd uses two programs, smtpd which listens for incoming mail and places
[00:54:26] <aldin> btw i am on ubuntu 7.04
[00:54:41] <aldin> and have package called smptd not installed is that it?
[00:54:54] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, now postfix will deliver the queue
[00:55:03] <Azhi_Dahaka> nothing
[00:55:08] <Azhi_Dahaka> i got this error
[00:55:10] <Azhi_Dahaka> root at it2linux dot industrialtaylor.com:
[00:55:10] <Azhi_Dahaka> 	delivery temporarily suspended: transport is unavailable
[00:55:28] <Azhi_Dahaka> at least is different
[00:55:39] <xpoint> there is a transport map not working then
[00:55:50] <aldin> xpoint: ? did u read?
[00:55:58] <Azhi_Dahaka> sorry to be such a noob... what's a transport map?
[00:56:22] <xpoint> aldin, ubuntu as server is a joke
[00:56:39] <aldin> postfix  13245  0.0  0.3   6556  3080 ?        S    00:51   0:00 smtpd -n smtp -t inet -u -c -s 2
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[00:56:47] <aldin> xpoint: i am just studying
[00:56:48] <xpoint> aldin, but i am confused by what you want
[00:57:31] <Azhi_Dahaka> it's local mail
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[00:57:36] <aldin> xpoint: this, i have kapetano.dyndns.org,
[00:57:37] <Azhi_Dahaka> from the server to itself
[00:57:51] <aldin> i can send mails from aldin at kapetano dot dyndns.org
[00:58:09] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, mailbox_transport = cyrus
[00:58:11] <aldin> but cant receive mails from lets say gmail.com on aldin at kapetano dot dyndns.org?
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[00:58:23] <aldin> xpoint: so i want to receive them
[00:58:26] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, is cyrus working ?
[00:58:36] <Azhi_Dahaka> what's cyrus... :S
[00:58:51] <hparker> aldin: What's the MX or your mail server?
[00:58:53] <Azhi_Dahaka> i got 2 processes
[00:59:01] <Azhi_Dahaka> master and pop3d
[00:59:02] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, you need cyrus ?
[00:59:12] <Azhi_Dahaka> i don't know what's cyrus
[00:59:53] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, mailbox_transport = cyrus < then why this line in main.cf ?
[00:59:55] <aldin> hparker: i am newbie, how can i see that?
[01:00:06] <aldin> hparker: i dont know what is MX
[01:00:13] <hparker> aldin: In your DNS configuration
[01:00:15] <Azhi_Dahaka> xpoint, must be the work of Server Admin
[01:00:18] <hparker> Mail eXchanger
[01:00:19] <Azhi_Dahaka> botches every config file
[01:00:32] <Azhi_Dahaka> so, i should remove that line...
[01:00:42] <hparker> Azhi_Dahaka: I do know from reading postfix-users the admin thingy is a bit limited
[01:00:43] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, dont use mac os x as server :-)
[01:00:49] <Azhi_Dahaka> have to...
[01:00:52] <Azhi_Dahaka> no choice
[01:00:57] <Azhi_Dahaka> orders from the top
[01:01:08] <xpoint> top is lame :-)
[01:01:14] <hparker> use vim for your config editor ;)
[01:01:25] <aldin> hparker: as i said i use dynamic IP, so i made account on dyndns.org so my domain is kapetano.dyndns.org
[01:01:45] <aldin> i dont know DNS...stuff that u ask how can i see them?
[01:01:52] <hparker> kapetano.dyndns.org has no MX record
[01:01:59] <xpoint> aldin, search dyndns.org about mx backup
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[01:02:26] <jtole> hey guys
[01:02:44] <Azhi_Dahaka> commented ir
[01:02:45] <Azhi_Dahaka> it
[01:02:50] <aldin> xpoint: ok just sec to google it
[01:03:07] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, just joking a bit, mac is good as server, just the gui config editors the assume to much most of the times
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[01:03:34] <Azhi_Dahaka> i know
[01:03:46] <Azhi_Dahaka> i had to set up apache aside and send the local web server home
[01:04:00] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, the try againg with postsuper -r ALL
[01:04:02] <hparker> aldin: May not help, I can't get past 217.199.128.178 on port 25..
[01:04:09] <Azhi_Dahaka> hate that app... and don't get me started with the blood that i sweated with natd
[01:04:12] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, and postfix reload
[01:04:28] <Azhi_Dahaka> but, i have never configured mail
[01:04:37] <Azhi_Dahaka> i'm a complete ignrant on that issue
[01:05:49] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, if that helps :-)
[01:05:55] <jtole> I have a question about transports, I set two up today for dspam, /join #dspam
[01:05:58] <jtole> oops
[01:06:01] <jtole> lol
[01:07:07] <Azhi_Dahaka> no idea
[01:07:12] <Azhi_Dahaka> no help
[01:07:35] <jtole> lol, I know
[01:07:49] <jtole> ok, now a transport allows me to setup a new mail box right?
[01:08:02] <Azhi_Dahaka> didn't worked out
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[01:08:36] <Azhi_Dahaka> thx, guys
[01:08:43] <Azhi_Dahaka> i'll be bothering tomorrow
[01:08:44] <Azhi_Dahaka> .)
[01:08:46] <Azhi_Dahaka> :)
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[01:08:49] <xpoint> Azhi_Dahaka, what logs now ?
[01:09:10] <xpoint> i take some beers until then
[01:10:47] <aldin> hparker: sorry i was reading manuals on dyndns.org site what is this  217.199.128.178?
[01:10:57] <aldin> Mail Exchanger (optional):
[01:11:04] <aldin> what number should i put here?
[01:11:29] <aldin> there is checkbox "Backup MX?" too?
[01:12:13] <hparker> 217.199.128.178 is the last IP I hit on port 25, belongs to europro
[01:12:23] <aldin> aha
[01:12:26] <xpoint> aldin, ask your isp about backup mx, until you know it completely you cant recieve mail
[01:12:34] <aldin> so they definetely block 25 in/out
[01:12:51] <hparker> Why not call them and ask?
[01:12:58] <aldin> hparker: i called them
[01:13:03] <jtole> ok, I just answered my question about transports but I have two transports set up, one is ham.ham and one is spam.spam, I sent a e-mail to ham.ham@address and ham@address but it came back to me, now my server is setup to allow all mail at any name to come back to me
[01:13:06] <aldin> but one man answered and say it is ok..
[01:13:11] <aldin> since i cant proove it
[01:13:24] <xpoint> but what you can do it have dyndns.org setup as mx, and then later etrn example.tld to them :-)
[01:13:25] <aldin> i will first investigate and come with evidences..
[01:13:28] <jtole> I guess my question is.. well did it go to the transport and come back to me as well or did it not go to the transport
[01:13:29] <jtole> ?
[01:13:55] <hparker> jtole: What do the logs say? And forwarding spam/ham trashes the headers
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[01:14:24] <telmich> if I do not want to do address verification for a specific domain, is it possible to exclude that domain?
[01:14:37] <aldin> >>You can't use Backup MX flag without value for MX record.<<
[01:14:40] <jtole> hparker I was... hmm... one sec, lemme look
[01:14:42] <aldin> what is that mean
[01:15:15] <xpoint> aldin, that you olso need one more mx
[01:15:36] <xpoint> priorty should be lover on that one
[01:16:07] <xpoint> example.tld 20 mail.isp.tld
[01:16:36] <xpoint> example.tld 10 yourdundns.org host
[01:16:36] <aldin> xpoint: hparker can u see this and suggest me what to do
[01:16:37] <aldin> http://kapetano.dyndns.org/www/kontejner/Screenshot-My%20Account%20--%20Dynamic%20DNS%20--%20kapetano.dyndns.org%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[01:18:14] <jtole> hmmm, it says originally to, and then the new to address where it looks like it was changed but it says delivered via dspam, but the transports are supposed to be handled by postfix
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[01:18:58] <jtole> so, to me, it looks like the transport was never called
[01:19:07] <xpoint> aldin, untic the backup mx, and write your dundnshost into the box
[01:19:38] <jkitchen> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_destination_concurrency_limit <--- is there a way to do that on a per domain basis?  for some domains even 5 is too much, yet for other domains, if we have it lower than 50 mail backs up like crazy
[01:20:22] <aldin> xpoint: kapetano.dyndns.org or just dyndns.org?
[01:20:31] <xpoint> first one
[01:20:38] <aldin> xpoint: ok just sec
[01:20:56] <aldin> Mail Exchanger: 	kapetano.dyndns.org
[01:21:03] <aldin> xpoint: ?
[01:21:13] <aldin> can u try digg mx
[01:21:22] <xpoint> if you tic backup mx then dyndnas is olso backup mx for this domain
[01:21:44] <xpoint> unticed you have to be online :-)
[01:22:23] <aldin> xpoint: i dont get it what means backup sorry , and pls have understanding i am really hard working to learn this
[01:22:54] <hparker> google "backup mx"
[01:22:55] <aldin> hparker: what was the command to see if i have MX record (whatever it si)
[01:23:15] <hparker> host -t mx domain
[01:23:20] <xpoint> aldin, dns is now ok
[01:23:42] <aldin> hparker: does it means that it hols my incom mails till i get online?
[01:23:51] <xpoint> aldin, dig kapetano.dyndns.org mx
[01:23:56] * hparker wonders how he got by all those yeras without IRC to teach him....
[01:24:23] <hparker> Didn't even have google, altavista or yahoo....
[01:24:32] <jtole> someone was alive before IRC?
[01:24:37] <aldin> wow!
[01:24:43] <hparker> s/altavista/just alavista/
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[01:24:50] <pbh> does anyone know the lib??? for the sasl in postfix when typing ldd postfix?
[01:24:54] <aldin> kapetano.dyndns.org has no MX record
[01:24:57] <xpoint> hparker, its like my girl she asking every thing, even obervious things :-)
[01:25:06] <hparker> jtole: No, I spent my time reading/learning.. Not asking someone else
[01:25:47] <xpoint> hparker, gentoo people does not need to ask so much since there is good wiki/howtos :)
[01:25:54] <hparker> (Even though I was running an IRC server on th eold sysopnet)
[01:26:28] <jtole> well thats always where I start but I come in here in two circumstances, maybe three, first one is I don't know exactly what I am supposed to be reading to answer my question, I have read what I am supposed to read and still havn't answered my question or I am in huge hurry and hoping for some quick advice
[01:26:43] <hparker> xpoint: wikis don't get updated enough for me to trust them
[01:27:02] <jtole> in this case I have done some reading and am still confused but I guess it's under those principles that school systems were invented long before hparker was born ;)
[01:27:13] <aldin> hparker: xpoint http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/23348/
[01:27:20] <aldin> is it ok?
[01:27:28] <hparker> jtole: Yes, schools do predate even my old ass ;)
[01:27:53] <xpoint> hparker, same here, used mediawiki for most good to remember things and fun, i learned wiki that way on the hardway :-)
[01:28:00] <jtole> lol, well I would hope so, otherwise I would be expexting vampire or some other horror movie bore ;)
[01:28:01] <hparker> jtole: As for your transport/dspam problem, I've never used either.. it's not that I'm ignoring you ;0
[01:28:09] <jtole> I know
[01:28:12] <jtole> I am not pressing
[01:28:22] <jtole> at this point though it does look like postfix is not transporting
[01:28:27] <jtole> :)
[01:28:48] <jtole> well, I am not smilling at that, I am smiling at you not ignoring me and me knowing better, lol
[01:29:04] <jtole> I think I will go check on my laundry before my head explodes
[01:29:07] <hparker> jtole: But again, forwarding for learning isn't a good idea from my experience with spamassassin
[01:29:49] <hparker> jtole: I use IMAP folders and drag the mail there so as not to alter the headers
[01:29:50] <xpoint> aldin, dig @ns1-2.dyndns.org kapetano.dyndns.org mx
[01:30:04] <jtole> hparker => http://dspam.nuclearelephant.com/faq.shtml#1.6   <= take a look at that question and the one right below it
[01:30:11] <jtole> huh
[01:30:18] <jtole> ... thats actually not a bad idea
[01:30:26] <jtole> @ headers
[01:30:51] <jtole> I head that mentioned in some docs I read earlier and I know imap works on my dovecot, I just have to enable it
[01:31:00] * jtole goes to laundry
[01:31:11] * xpoint is just using bayes in spamassassin here, catches all spam for me, scan time is below 500 ms
[01:31:51] <xpoint> will newer use dspam here anymore
[01:31:52] <hparker> My average time per scan is 2.5-3 seconds.. amavisd-new, spamassassin with all network tests, and clamav
[01:32:18] <hparker> Very acceptable for my needs and my clean inboxes ;)
[01:32:28] <xpoint> i am faster ?
[01:32:59] <xpoint> 64bit power, hehe
[01:33:06] <hparker> 500 ms is .5 seconds iirc
[01:33:22] <hparker> Errm... mine's 64bit, though only a sempron
[01:33:24] <xpoint> ah yes
[01:33:31] <rob0> FSVO ms
[01:33:46] <hparker> Oh, rob0 has his own version?
[01:34:09] <xpoint> ms = Microsoft ?
[01:34:20] <rob0> Well, there are "lite" and "regular" milliseconds.
[01:34:25] <hparker> Ahh
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[01:34:35] <rob0> probably even deluxe ones.
[01:35:06] * hparker goes back to reading postfix-users....
[01:35:46] <rob0> Somebody has to do it.
[01:35:57] <aldin> xpoint: dig @ns1-2.dyndns.org kapetano.dyndns.org mx what should i see with this?
[01:36:01] <aldin> i run it
[01:36:14] <aldin> xpoint i still cant receive mails
[01:36:20] <aldin> but sending is ok
[01:36:53] <xpoint> aldin, you should see that the mx is there for both or one mx
[01:38:36] <xpoint> aldin, http://moensted.dk/spam/?addr=kapetano.dyndns.org&Submit=Submit
[01:39:13] <aldin> wow, xpoint thanks
[01:39:31] <jtole> hparker, do you use dspam?
[01:39:48] <aldin> xpoint: so now i got MX do u know what is needed more?
[01:39:51] <hparker> jtole: Nope, spamassassin on all of them
[01:39:52] <aldin> smtpd?
[01:39:59] <jtole> ah ok
[01:40:17] <jtole> I was just wondering about how you setup the imap folders etc
[01:40:41] <hparker> I created them in my MUA
[01:40:55] <hparker> then cronjob to sa-learn them
[01:41:30] <jtole> huh, thats not a bad idea
[01:41:37] <jtole> mua = ?
[01:41:42] <xpoint> hparker, upgraded my squirelmail to 1.4.10a then some plugins now not working more :(
[01:41:52] <hparker> :(
[01:42:30] <xpoint> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179426 i hope its generic
[01:42:43] <aldin> xpoint: hparker can u send mail to aldin at kapetano dot dyndns.org and to see will it bounce it or receive it?, i would really appriciate it, cause i dont know what to do i sent mail from gmail.com but did came
[01:42:55] <aldin> *didnt
[01:43:03] <rob0> telnet: connect to address 80.65.173.71: Connection timed out
[01:43:27] <xpoint> aldin, you need to ask isp now
[01:43:41] <xpoint> aldin, keep the dns !
[01:44:10] <aldin> what to ask them .. my ip is changed dynamically cause of billing, i have limit 16G per month
[01:44:38] <xpoint> aldin, simply ask for there backup mx thats all
[01:44:48] <hparker> Ask them about blocked inbound port 25
[01:45:11] <hparker> Backup MX without a list of valid addresses would suck.....
[01:45:14] <xpoint> hparker, most isp can spam there custommers :-)
[01:45:51] <hparker> And I don't see an ISP offering to maintain a list of users for a residential account...
[01:46:19] <xpoint> hparker, not needed if you known postfix very vell
[01:46:34] <hparker> Bounce to the forged from????
[01:46:46] <xpoint> nope
[01:47:05] <hparker> Or /dev/null if they don't exist losing mail with To:typo?
[01:47:05] <xpoint> isp should verify before accept
[01:47:21] <hparker> Then they have to have a list of users
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[01:47:25] <aldin> xpoint: hparker: rob0: cpm: many: thank you guys for being patient with me, well thats it, i shot all my bullets to override 25 port issue and havent made it...
[01:47:33] <hparker> this is not stuff offered on residential accounts
[01:48:07] <hparker> I know I would never have even thought about doing it
[01:48:32] <xpoint> hparker, my isp will do backup mx for any domain if the recipient server is behind there network
[01:48:55] <hparker> xpoint: On a residential connection?
[01:49:00] <xpoint> yes
[01:49:30] <hparker> for $20 a month?
[01:49:40] <xpoint> less, its free
[01:49:55] <hparker> But, what do you pay for your connection?
[01:50:01] <xpoint> :-)
[01:50:07] <xpoint> to much
[01:50:16] <hparker> then....
[01:50:24] <xpoint> i dont pay extra for mail
[01:51:08] <xpoint> but this was my first connection where i did not have my /29
[01:52:11] <xpoint> aldin, if your isp do backup mx, add them in dyndns with priorty 20
[01:52:43] <jtole> I know this is gonna sound like an all too easy question but how does one set postfix to save mail in mailspool
[01:52:47] <jtole> and not mbox
[01:53:36] <xpoint> if the dir/path ends with / is maildir
[01:55:19] <aldin> xpoint ok
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[01:56:06] <xpoint> dyndns cant deliver to you if isp is blocking port 25
[01:56:35] <xpoint> but isp have open port 25 from them to you
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[01:57:23] <xpoint> atleast i hope :-)
[01:57:37] <aldin> xpoint: aha, now i got ya
[01:57:49] <aldin> xpoint: thanks
[01:57:56] <xpoint> np
[01:58:55] <xpoint> thats why we need 2 mx records
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[03:27:09] <ckrueger> g'day all
[03:27:59] <ckrueger> i need someone who's ridiculously well-versed in the various smtpd_client_restrictions / smtpd_helo_restrictions / smtpd_sender_restrictions / smtpd_recipient_restrictions parameters
[03:28:23] <ckrueger> particularly which one validates a host's PTR record against the actual DNS records for the returned value
[03:28:32] <ckrueger> for example, causing a maillog entry akin to the following
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[03:29:00] <ckrueger> warning: 127.0.0.1: address not listed for hostname whateveryouwantittobe.com
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[03:47:37] <lunaphyte> ckrueger: that would be postfix looking up an a record, rather.
[03:48:18] <ckrueger> based upon the PTR reported for that IP
[03:48:26] <ckrueger> IP's PTR = onevalue.com
[03:48:35] <ckrueger> reported hostname = server1.onevalue.com
[03:48:44] <ckrueger> A record for onevalue.com != IP of sending server
[03:49:03] <ckrueger> at least not the interface seen by the receiving server (it's another IP on the box)
[03:49:22] <ckrueger> *technically* this other box is outside our control, so i want to rework Postfix to simply ignore this check
[03:49:36] <ckrueger> i pulled reject_unknown_client out of every single restriction but it has not resolved the issue
[03:50:03] <ckrueger> that seems to be the only option that actually references PTR records based upon Postfix's documentation
[03:50:54] <lunaphyte> can you share postconf -n?
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[03:52:29] <ckrueger> http://pastebin.ca/524369
[03:52:43] <ckrueger> mynetworks has been edited for privacy
[03:52:46] <jtole> does anyone know of the top of their head, what the command is to turn /etc/postfix/virtal into the virtual.db?
[03:52:54] <ckrueger> postmap /etc/postfix/virtual
[03:52:56] <ckrueger> postfix reload
[03:53:22] <lunaphyte> ckrueger: postconf mail_version ?
[03:53:35] <ckrueger> 2.2.10
[03:53:40] <lunaphyte> reload isn't necessary
[03:53:43] <ckrueger> stock RHEL distro
[03:53:52] <ckrueger> true, it'll detect the change after a few sec
[03:54:04] <ckrueger> or does postmap automatically trigger a reload?
[03:54:07] <jtole> thanks ckrueger
[03:54:17] <lunaphyte> the former
[03:54:21] <ckrueger> coo
[03:55:01] <ckrueger> i might just call the other customer whose server's PTR isn't configured correctly and have them fix it
[03:55:20] <ckrueger> fortunately this is one of the rare scenarios in which both parties are on our networks
[03:56:16] <lunaphyte> it's always nice to address the problem vs. the symptom.
[03:56:34] <ckrueger> yeah
[03:57:07] <lunaphyte> i would imagine it's one of the unknown or invalid restrictions you've included, but i'd be guessing w/out the context for that warning.
[03:57:29] <lunaphyte> i see reject_unknown_client - you did try it without?
[03:59:05] <lunaphyte> you might also try something along the lines of postconf | egrep '(unknown|invalid)' on the chance that redhat's monkeyed with the defaults.
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[04:09:22] <jtole> is there a way to have postfix display messages success messages to people who are forwarding mail to addresses that postfix will reject, but basically don't tell the sender that it will be rejected via smtp
[04:09:53] <jtole> ?
[04:10:21] <jtole> basically a way to configure postfix to lie to people who are spamming?
[04:14:24] <lunaphyte> you want to accept all messages, then silently discard invalid recipients?
[04:14:35] <jtole> basically
[04:14:37] <jtole> yeah
[04:14:57] <lunaphyte> how would you know the message is spam?
[04:15:55] <jtole> log reviews and greps, if someone connects to my machine and the mail log says they are sending more then X number of messages to different hostnames it is fair to assume it is not a legitimate mail server and could be deamed as a spammer
[04:16:05] <jtole> which would be good for submitting to black hole lists
[04:16:07] <lunaphyte> to answer your question, i'm not sure how you might convince postfix to do that, off the top of my head.
[04:16:21] <lunaphyte> i suppose.
[04:16:41] <jtole> well I am googling it atm, I will let you guys know if I find a solution
[04:17:10] <lunaphyte> my preference would be to reject them, rather than spend more of my bandwidth on message content.
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[04:22:21] <jtole> well on this box in perticular it's isolated to myself and a couple others and I don't think it could handle a fraction of the bandwidth available to the net
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[04:23:20] <rob0> jtole, you're trying to cook up tactics in the war against spam, and while your effort is to be admired, I advise you to give it up. Spammers don't read logs, in the rare cases that they even HAVE logs.
[04:24:24] <rob0> If they're spamming, there's a better than 50% chance that they're already listed at Spamhaus.
[04:24:46] <jtole> right, I don't care that they do, however a lot of the black hole lists are shared by other people running mail servers, they have access to who is evil before a spammer even knocks at their door
[04:25:17] <jtole> right, but they don't typically spam on mail servers that don't allow it, right?
[04:26:15] <rob0> Spammers continually spew, regardless of what the other side says.
[04:26:22] <jtole> really?
[04:26:23] <jtole> huh
[04:26:56] <jtole> I am dealing with my first real spamming spew now and it's only because the mail server was misconfigured at first
[04:27:03] <rob0> Once an address is on a spam list, it will receive spam until the Internet closes down.
[04:27:36] <rob0> No amount of 55x's will make it stop.
[04:27:59] <rob0> Spammers don't work as hard as we have to.
[04:28:14] <rob0> (They're generally not even smart enough.)
[04:28:35] <jtole> lol
[04:28:51] <rob0> They get a miniscule return on their investment, but as long as it's a positive return, they keep at it.
[04:28:53] <jtole> I am looking at spamhaus now, spamhaus.org, right?
[04:29:07] <rob0> correct, check out the Zen list.
[04:29:08] <hparker> Use zen.spamhaus.org
[04:29:15] <hparker> Don't look back
[04:30:23] <rob0> In the rare case that Zen lists a real mail server, don't worry, because they'll have trouble sending to *most* large providers ... not just to you.
[04:30:47] <jtole> cool, I am not listed in sbl list etc etc lists
[04:31:08] <rob0> I think I've had that happen twice. Both times, zombie spew from the same IP as a legit mail server.
[04:31:08] <hparker> Check at dnsstuff.com
[04:31:25] <hparker> rob0: Yeah, it's usually MTA and NAT on the same box
[04:31:39] <rob0> It happened to me once. <sheepish grin>
[04:31:56] <hparker> Or an ISP that forces port 25 outbound through their MTA
[04:31:57] <hparker> lol
[04:32:07] * hparker knew rob0 was a closet spammer
[04:32:37] <rob0> We spent days thereafter cleaning up the ratware. I stopped allowing NAT of port 25 outbound.
[04:33:00] <Dominian> rob0: we are about to do that as well
[04:33:10] <Dominian> rob0: stop allowing clients to send email directly from their IPs
[04:33:22] <Dominian> we've had a few of our dynamic IPs end up on blacklists.. not cool
[04:33:31] <rob0> Mine was a small business site, dual T1's.
[04:33:48] <Dominian> yah
[04:33:58] <Dominian> rob0: we had one of our email servers get blacklisted
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[04:34:08] <Dominian> rob0: because stupid users with webmail access had easily crackable passwords
[04:34:11] <rob0> Sign your entire dynamic netblocks up for inclusion on PBL.
[04:34:46] <rob0> hparker, I've come out of the closet. ;)
[04:34:48] <Dominian> rob0: nah..we are going to block outbound 25 from dynamic and other IPs that don't need to send out 25 and force them to use our server wher ewe can do the spam/virus filtering from there
[04:35:12] <rob0> and rate limiting
[04:35:12] <jtole> well I am off to bed
[04:35:15] <jtole> cheers guys
[04:35:20] <rob0> 'night
[04:35:44] <charkins> How can I get postfix to temporarily reject *all mail* (error 450)?
[04:36:51] <rob0> smtpd_client_restriction = reject
[04:36:58] <rob0> soft_bounce = yes
[04:37:03] <hparker> Pull the ethernet cable
[04:37:04] <rob0> smtpd_client_restrictions = reject
[04:37:15] <rob0> (mised the plural)
[04:37:32] <charkins> hparker: :-)
[04:37:45] <hparker> it's effective
[04:37:52] <hparker> Good spam blocker as well
[04:38:17] <rob0> greylisting taken to the next level
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[05:07:04] <jtole> hey, I just got out of the shower and before I hit the sack I have to ask, where do spammers get their e-mails from?
[05:07:23] <jtole> I mean the actual addresses that they litter
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[05:08:31] <jtole> hmmm, I am with hparker on pull the ethernet cable
[05:10:18] <jtole> alright, well I got enough done today and I am tired so I am going to hit the sack, cheers ladies and gents
[05:13:01] <rob0> jtole: Web and Usenet harvesting, "unsubscribe" links, spyware/viruses, maybe more!
[05:14:41] <jtole> what is a unsubscribe link?
[05:15:21] <rob0> Spammers send them out in their spams. "If you don't want to receive these, click here."
[05:15:29] <jtole> ah
[05:15:33] <jtole> huh
[05:15:36] <jtole> makes sense
[05:15:45] <jtole> good thing I have always just blocked them
[05:15:46] <jtole> lol
[05:15:49] <jtole> alright
[05:16:27] <jtole> night, bye, I be gone... oh and thanks for the input tonight <= what I would sound like if I did too many drugs or was pretty drunk I guess
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[05:33:12] <qiyong> is client certificate used widely for mta/postfix?
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[07:22:43] <Chaotic_Reality> i'm new to postfix and am trying to set it up for multiple domains.  i've also setup squirrelmail (using dovecot for pop/imap) - is it correct to assume that there's no separation of users between domains?  for example if i have domain1.com and domain2.com in the virtual file and then user at domain1 dot com user and user at domain2 dot com user, all mail is going to go to that user regardless of the domain?
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[07:23:31] <Chaotic_Reality> reason i ask is because i can login to the webmail with user regardless of the domain i'm accessing the webmail from.
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[07:24:00] <Chaotic_Reality> if i login with user, it shows the same emails if i'm pulling up domain1.com/webmail or domain2.com/webmail
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[07:49:31] <Motoko-chan> Chaotic_Reality, you can use virtual users.
[07:50:04] <Motoko-chan> If you use system users, you are correct.
[07:50:23] <Motoko-chan> Although you can use some fancy rewrite rules to allow for the same name at different domains.
[07:51:36] <Chaotic_Reality> Motoko-chan: hmm...well i do have each unique domain listed in the virtuals file in /etc/postfix but i suppose they are pointing to the system users.  how would i go about making them unique for each domain, so i can use the same username on different domains?
[07:52:44] <Chaotic_Reality> i'd like to authenticate with user at domain1 dot com instead of user. obviously this will make it unique on a domain basis.  through all my reading and such i haven't found a way to do that though.
[07:52:53] <Motoko-chan> Use rewrites and have the system usernames be different like with prefixed.
[07:53:07] <Motoko-chan> If you want to auth with full username, look at virtual users.
[07:53:17] <Motoko-chan> You can use many storage mechanisms, including SQL.
[07:55:17] <Chaotic_Reality> i only have about 3 domains, and not many mail boxes for each domain so using a database to store the information is a little more complex than what i need for now. i actually only have one username that i'd like to use on each domain heh
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[07:58:29] <Motoko-chan> domain1_user
[07:58:32] <Motoko-chan> domain2_user
[07:58:33] <Motoko-chan> etc
[07:58:45] <Motoko-chan> Then use the aliases table to re-write to the system boxes.
[08:01:53] <Chaotic_Reality> well that's essentially what i already have in my /etc/postfix/virtual file.  i have domain1.com OK (newline) user at domain1 dot com user (newline)  then domain2.com OK (newline) user at domain2 dot com user
[08:02:38] <Chaotic_Reality> those are both using the system user though. if i change the user to user at domain1 dot com and user at domain2 dot com, will that work?
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[08:10:49] <Chaotic_Reality> looks like i found some documentation on the postfix site for this - thanks for the push in the right direction Motoko-chan.
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[08:59:51] <kciR> is a 450 a temporary failure, i.e. try again later?
[09:06:28] <enyc> kciR: yes
[09:06:40] <enyc> kciR: (or try backup MX or whatever)
[09:07:07] <enyc> kciR: iirc 2xx = OK 4xx = Temporary problem 5xx = Permanent problem
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[09:10:13] <CaptainMorgan> I think I might have an isp that blocks port 25, is it possible to configure postfix to use their smtp ?
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[09:16:01] <f3ew> !relayhost
[09:16:02] <knoba> f3ew: 'relayhost' : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination.
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[09:50:07] <stellina> goodmorning
[09:50:16] <stellina> does anyone use gnarwl for vacation messages?
[09:50:40] <stellina> It doesn't work for me
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[10:12:23] <qiyong> should I start some sasl daemon in order to get sasl work?
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[10:29:43] <qiyong> how to know what sasl implementation the postfix is using?
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[10:43:57] <Signum> qiyong: the cyrus sasl library
[10:44:20] <qiyong> Signum, is there a separate sasl daemon?
[10:44:22] <Signum> qiyong: you can either start the saslauthdaemon or rather use the "auxprop" method
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[10:44:34] <qiyong> !auxprop
[10:44:35] <knoba> qiyong: Error: "auxprop" is not a valid command.
[10:44:36] <Signum> qiyong: IMHO the daemon doesn't have any advantage
[10:45:17] <qiyong> Signum, what packages to install?
[10:45:47] <qiyong> how to use auxprop? Signum
[10:53:43] <Signum> qiyong: see http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
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[11:04:28] <rdallarmi> Hi, I am trying to set up a mail server, I can deliver successfully mail to it, but when I try to retrieve it I get the  error: courierpop3login: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory. WIthout telling me  what Maildir he is attempting to access. Is there a way I can get more information? or what setting should I look at?
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[11:20:08] <adaptr> does the MTA even deliver to maildirs ?
[11:21:34] <rdallarmi> MTA?
[11:22:07] <adaptr> Postfix is an MTA
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[11:22:14] <keck0f> hi.
[11:22:17] <keck0f> how can i force the content of a user's mailspoolfile to be delivered again. (i've got mail in /var/spool/mail/me, added an alias "me: me at myserver dot com" and would like to redirect all my mail in the spoolfile to my new emailadress. How? something like "cat  /var/spool/mail/me | format -s sendmail -t"?)
[11:22:39] <adaptr> your courier question is not, strictly speaking, a Postfix question, seeing as Postfix is not Courier, but we'll see
[11:23:08] <rdallarmi> I just su and gone to the delivery directory, the mail is there
[11:23:24] <adaptr> keck0f you mean how can you forward it after the fact
[11:23:39] <adaptr> rdallarmi the deliver directory being ?
[11:24:16] <rdallarmi> it is " /var/mail/vmail/rdallarmi at eudelaers dot com" ( I am using postfixadmin)
[11:24:52] <adaptr> and it's not a Maildir
[11:25:01] <rdallarmi> ?
[11:25:20] <adaptr> a maildir has a specific structure
[11:25:49] <rdallarmi> I am using the postfixadmin setup with a postgres back end for handling virtual domains
[11:26:05] <keck0f>  adaptr: thank you for the hint. I think of just placing the content of the users Maildir back to the postfix-queue that will deliver the mail.
[11:26:40] <adaptr> rdallarmi who cares ? your stated question was: why is courier telling me it cannot access the maildir
[11:27:06] <adaptr> rdallarmi there can be only two reasons for that: either you're not using maildirs, or courier isn't configured properly
[11:27:21] <adaptr> since this is not a courier channel, I opted for #1
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[11:27:56] <rdallarmi> fair enough
[11:29:02] <keck0f>  apaptr: is there a way to redirect the messages stored in a user's maildir to another emailadress? (great would be if there is not "via"-Tag)
[11:31:54] <adaptr> keck0f well, no, not that I know of, since an MTA does not read maildirs, it only delivers - you'll have to build somethign yourself, or use a utility that was made for that
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[11:36:41] <rdallarmi> adaptr, one question. the mail delivery directory has a permission structure I do not understand, do you know what  drwx--S--- 5 stands for?
[11:36:56] <rdallarmi> ok , the drwx is clear, the rest no
[11:38:09] <Roobarb-Work> its an S not a 5 (letter not number)
[11:38:25] <many> man chmod
[11:39:10] <koollman> "set-group-ID bit is set but the corresponding executable bit is not set." ... for a directory, I am not sure what it means
[11:39:49] <many> it means rw- for group plus setgroupID, i.e. new files get the group of the parent directory automagically
[11:40:12] <many> touch a file in the directory and compare ls -l newfile vs ls -l ..
[11:40:15] <many> touch a file in the directory and compare ls -l newfile vs ls -ld ..
[11:40:59] <adaptr> rdallarmi yes, I probably do
[11:41:35] <rdallarmi> the fact it is a capital "s" does make sense? in the man chod they are all lowercase
[11:42:08] <rdallarmi> chmod
[11:42:24] <koollman> rdallarmi: that's a differentiation from ls (with setgid, and without execute -> S)
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[11:43:03] <adaptr> my maildirs don't have SGID bits
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[12:02:07] <f3ew> good
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[12:06:42] <adaptr> it was just an observation...
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[12:18:06] <keck0f> adaptr: tahnk you.
[12:18:20] <adaptr> found anything ?
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[12:42:12] <baggito> can someone tell me what this containment is called? Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W0Z3ZDogTmV3IHF1b3RlOiA0Mjk2LXYtMTsgbjogTXIgQnJpYW4gTGU=?=
[12:42:43] <f3ew> base 64 encoding
[12:44:23] <baggito> i guessed it looks like base64, but what do you call that =?UTF-8?B? .... =?= stuff?
[12:45:45] <xpoint> unicode in base64
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[12:49:53] <MicW> hi
[12:50:42] <MicW> can i configure source-address-based relaying for postfix? (e.g. relay xy at web dot de over the web.de mx, using smtp-auth)?
[12:52:00] <baggito> well
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[12:52:28] <baggito> =?UTF-8?B? i just want to know really what standard or whatever that is defined in
[12:52:33] <james_> hello everybody, is there any way i can get postfix to log the password when trying to auth please ?
[12:53:31] <baggito> it's impossible to google for
[12:54:01] <Signum> baggito: RFC 1522 -> quoted printable
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[12:57:07] <MicW> and can i configure postfix to deliver address-a@mydomain locally if there's a mailbox but relay address-b@mydomain if not?
[12:57:36] <Signum> MicW: try transport_maps
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[12:58:24] <MicW> Signum: i need that that behaviour depends on weather there's a mailbox or not
[12:58:59] <MicW> because if a user has a local ldap account, he has a local mailbox. when a mail is sent to this user, it should be delivered locally
[12:59:39] <MicW> but if a user (with the same domain) has no local mailbox, it needs to be relayed to the normal mx for my domain
[12:59:40] <Signum> MicW: you can connect your transport_maps to your ldap database
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[13:13:48] <Signum> !learn quotedprintable as a way to encode non-ASCII (non 7-bit) characters by using base64 in mail headers. See the RFC1522 and search for "quoted printable".
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[13:14:38] <David-B> Hello everyone
[13:14:59] <David-B> I have a problem regarding maildrop in combination with postfix
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[13:15:45] <David-B> When postfix runs maildrop i gives me an: invalid user specified...
[13:16:18] <David-B> when I run maildrop directly from root
[13:16:23] <David-B> is gives me this:
[13:16:24] <David-B> root@VirtualUbuntu:/# maildrop -V 5 -d bamm.bamm at example dot com
[13:16:24] <David-B> maildrop: authlib: groupid=2005
[13:16:24] <David-B> maildrop: authlib: userid=2005
[13:16:24] <David-B> maildrop: authlib: logname=bamm.bamm at example dot com, home=/var/spool/virtual_mailbo                      xes/, mail=example.com/bamm.bamm/Maildir
[13:16:24] <David-B> maildrop: Changing to /var/spool/virtual_mailboxes/
[13:16:25] <David-B> maildrop: Home directory owned by wrong user.
[13:17:06] <David-B> var and spool are owned by root
[13:17:06] <David-B> virtual_mailboxes and example.com by vmail
[13:17:06] <David-B> vmail is the user witch postfix uses to run maildrop
[13:17:06] <David-B> bamm.bamm and every other dir under this is owned by the virtual user specified in the SQL db. in this case 2005
[13:17:06] <David-B> what am I missing here?
[13:26:13] <frennkie> hi, is there a way to find out how many of my mails are outgoing/ incoming? I tried writing a script that parses mail.log.. but i haven't found anything that distinguishes these both types..
[13:28:24] <f3ew> define outgoing
[13:32:27] <frennkie> mail which is either send through my webfrontend, or my a user through smtp (with sasl auth)
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[13:48:16] <james_> hello everybody, any idea why wouldn't postfix send STARTTLS auth method please ? postconf : http://pastebin.ca/525482
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[14:00:17] <james_> it does but clients don't understand
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[14:01:52] <frennkie> sry, my connection broke down.. I asked whether it is possible to get a statistic how many of the mails postfix is processing originate from my sasl-authenticated users. Hope I didn't miss an answer.. ^^
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[14:10:04] <possie> is there away to fill in more then one relayhosts in main.cf ?
[14:10:42] <tibyke> yes
[14:11:14] <tibyke> sorry, i meant relay_domains
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[14:13:59] <possie> but there is noway to filli n more then one relayhost?
[14:14:17] <possie> i don't want to be dependent on just one relay host for my outgoing mail
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[14:20:47] <macsim> hi, my postfix-mysql works fine, but it a bit slow when it send email, here is mysq postconf -n (http://pastebin.ca/525536),  do you see something strange on it ?
[14:21:12] <stellina> I need some help
[14:21:23] <james_> hello everybody, why will postfix reject relay to me at gmail dot com before even checking if user is authentified please ? Trying to let it to relay any mail from authetified users ... postconf : http://pastebin.ca/525482
[14:21:58] <stellina> I have  created an alias in my ldap which returns the mail of the recipented plus the string " at autoreply dot mydomain.com"
[14:22:30] <stellina> for example the alias would be user at mydomain@autoreply dot mydomain.com. And in transports I have autoreply.mydomain.com gnarwl:
[14:23:09] <stellina> the mail never goes through the transport... I would go only if the alias didn't have 2 "@" in the mail
[14:23:25] <stellina> but the manual says that the correct way is as I did it
[14:25:50] <vice-versa> macsim: in your rbl client list, I'm pretty sure opm.blitzed.org is no longer available
[14:26:23] <vice-versa> macsim: but that's not your issue, just happened to see it ;)
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[14:28:57] <macsim> vice-versa: I try it ;) thx
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[14:29:26] <Juai0> Hi, what is the way to disable vrfy, rcpt to bruteforce attack?
[14:31:31] <macsim> vice-versa: it's seems to be the problem I remove it and no mails are send faster
[14:32:00] <macsim> s/no/now
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[14:32:56] <vice-versa> macsim: ahh great, so it was just dns lookup timeout for you then
[14:33:14] <macsim> vice-versa: yes thx a lot ;)
[14:33:19] <vice-versa> np
[14:34:57] <Juai0> it is possible to return ah 250 return code in any rcpt to: <mail at dom dot com> ?
[14:35:37] <f3ew> I shall have to file a bug
[14:35:43] <many> oh no!
[14:35:46] <many> file a bug?
[14:35:49] <many> nooo
[14:35:50] <many> :)
[14:35:55] <f3ew> Regexp::Assemble optimised quite a few patterns out of existence
[14:36:02] <many> heh
[14:36:08] <many>  /./?
[14:36:11] <f3ew> no
[14:36:14] <f3ew> valid ones too
[14:36:41] <many> anyone else spotting massive SMTP connects from 64.192.205./24?
[14:37:54] <jduggan_> many: not i.. we're in UK
[14:40:21] <many> i guess its time to block mxs?mple.info, including that range. senseless connects w/ following disconnect, obvious spammer activity which pretends to be a newsletter and the pages their apache is delivering is very suspicious too
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[14:42:53] <vice-versa> many: I just greped the logs on 14 mail servers, nothing here
[14:42:54] <Juai0> it is possible to return ah 250 return code in any rcpt to: <mail at dom dot com> ? any idea please?? :(
[14:43:24] <many> Juai0: what'yer trying to do?
[14:43:31] <many> vice-versa: lucky one :-/
[14:43:50] <many> # grep 64.192.205. /var/log/mail.log  | wc -l 601
[14:43:58] <many> oops. 601 is the result
[14:44:12] <Juai0> many: avoid smtp bruteforce
[14:44:21] <vice-versa> many: well I'm not in Germany or even Europe for that matter, so may just be out of their target scope, for now ;)
[14:44:23] <Juai0> basend on error code 250 to list my valid users!
[14:44:41] <many> Juai0: uh.
[14:45:03] <many> thats not very smart. it can be done, but its not smart at all.
[14:45:06] <Juai0> many: it is possible?
[14:45:16] <Juai0> :( ?
[14:46:01] <many> it'd result in too many trouble
[14:47:05] <Juai0> many: can you tell me how to do it? :)
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[14:50:49] <james_> how can i debug postfix mysql queries please ? i can't figure out
[14:52:53] <f3ew> postmap -q
[14:54:36] <james_> interresting, thanks
[15:00:39] <Juai0> unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 250
[15:00:47] <Juai0> with other number works
[15:01:08] <Juai0> but if I use 250, then I get a strange 450 error :( 'service not avaiable', any idea?
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[15:13:23] <Bejgli> you cant answer OK for an error
[15:13:28] <Bejgli> that's just stupid
[15:13:46] <Bejgli> you can't say HTTP 200 to a browser if it'd be a 404
[15:13:51] <Bejgli> it's the same
[15:14:02] <Bejgli> you should read SMTP RFC
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[15:17:52] <GutterPunk> Small question. Some scripts send mail out from the server to a bunch of adresses. Instead of changing these addresses I would just like to rewrite the recipient for all these addresses before sending out the mail. How should I do this?
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[15:21:29] <james_> hello everybody, why would : [postfix/postmap] fatal: open database mysql-virtual-maps.cf.db: No such file or directory; this file isn't specified in any config file
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[15:22:09] <Dominian> james_: where in main.cf do you define mysql-virtual-maps.cf ?
[15:22:13] 
[15:22:34] <james_> Dominian: virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-maps.cf
[15:24:47] <Dominian> restart postfix and see if the error persists
[15:27:02] <james_> Dominian: it doesn't, thanks.
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[15:28:04] <james_> i don't understand how to debug the users map ...
[15:29:59] <james_> i keep getting SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure, i have read plenty of mans and guides on internet
[15:31:56] <james_> pam authentification works but not virtual users
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[15:37:31] <Dominian> james_: if its asking for mysql-virtual-maps.cf.db..
[15:38:03] <Dominian> james_: did you do postmap mysql-virtual-maps.cf for some reason?
[15:38:11] <james_> Dominian: it's not anymore, it seems like it's relying on sasl which doesn't seem to query the database
[15:38:24] <Dominian> ah
[15:38:25] <Dominian> od
[15:38:26] <Dominian> d
[15:38:29] <james_> yes i am trying to debug the query
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[15:43:47] <RA3OR[psy]> hi, one of my postfix accounts sends incomplete emails (the email body seems to be chunked or chopped)
[15:44:41] <james_> Dominian: i got it to work, i think that there is an outdate on http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml about sasl configuration, relying on authlib works great
[15:44:59] <Dominian> aah
[15:46:50] <james_> now i need to understand why : May 31 23:50:20 [postfix/smtpd] > home.jamespic.net[82.240.220.118]: 250-STARTTLS; May 31 23:50:20 [postfix/smtpd] < home.jamespic.net[82.240.220.118]: STARTTLS; May 31 23:50:20 [postfix/smtpd] > home.jamespic.net[82.240.220.118]: 454 4.3.0 TLS not available due to local problem
[15:48:47] <james_> oh i have certificates problems, my bad
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[16:12:17] <possie> is there away to route outgoing mail traffic, because i have a maildomain, where MX records are pointing to an public internet ip adres, however, from this relayhost point of view, this system is directly next to him on the lan, so i would rather let him directly send it to this server, instead of routing it to the internet first
[16:13:03] <rob0> ask cpm :)
[16:13:48] <rob0> Um, IIUC what you're saying, I'd use split views in DNS for that.
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[16:26:46] * cpm forwards all asks to rob0
[16:27:41] * rob0 asks cpm to go forward
[16:27:50] * cpm bows to rob0
[16:28:52] <ph1zzle> morning guys
[16:29:03] * rob0 pushes cpm off the starboard bow!
[16:29:18] <cpm> aiiieeee!
[16:29:21] <rob0> oh wait! We shoulda keel-hauled 'im!
[16:29:25] <cpm> come on in, water's fine!
[16:29:27] <ph1zzle> I know this is a unrelated to this room but I have to ask... you know what? I think I will google my Thunderbird question
[16:29:37] <rob0> Arrrrrrrrr
[16:29:53] <rob0> ph1zzle: :)
[16:30:27] <ph1zzle> lol
[16:31:38] <ph1zzle> I basically just wanted to know if it was possible to hide local folders in thunderbird and right away they said sure, if you wanna edit a .js file and even if you get it right it could still fuckup thunderbird... so I think I will pass on that one
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[16:39:02] <kciR> is possible to specify a transport in virtual_alias_maps ? Like foo at bar dot org transport:
[16:39:24] <kciR> actually, foo at bar dot org foo at bar dot org, transport:
[16:43:06] <rob0> kciR: No, virtual(5) mapping only works to an email address. But you can use per-address transport_maps entries, see transport(5).
[16:43:47] <kciR> i know, but I need to have it go to a transport *and* be processed by virtual_alias_maps
[16:43:54] <felipe_> thanks frennkie for the answer :)
[16:44:09] <frennkie> felipe_: np
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[16:48:20] <rob0> Think it through, kciR, I gave you a strong hint how you might do that.
[16:49:34] <kciR> i know. the way I have it know, is to have an alias foo at bar dot org to foo at bar dot org, foo at bar dot org@autoreply.mydomain.tld and autoreply.mydomain.tld is in transport_maps to the autoreply: transport
[16:49:59] <kciR> but this changes my Delivered-To to foo at bar dot org@autoreply.mydomain.tld and I need it ot be foo at bar dot org
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[16:59:21] <qiyong> cyrus lacks docs
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[17:00:47] <rob0> Cyrus lacks docs and does eat oats and little lambs eat ivy ...
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[17:25:25] <rata> hi
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[17:29:40] <rata> i want mail to root go to an account and any other mail goes to an other account. I am triying with regexp virtual_alias_maps so i have in the file "/root/  addr1" and in the line below "/@/     addr2". But its not working all mail goes to addr2, but when i do: postmap -q "@" regexp:<file> and "root" i see the correct address and i run the postmap -u regexp:<file>. Any idea what i am doing wrong ?
[17:32:52] <rob0> rata: pastebin your "postconf -n"
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[17:34:34] <rata> rob0, http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/305
[17:37:08] <rob0> Hmmm, what's in transport_maps? Are you sure you need it? Anyway, you seem to be using local(8), so your answer is to edit /etc/aliases and run "newaliases".
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[17:38:15] <rob0> When using local(8) delivery you should list all domains you want to accept in $mydestination . I don't think you have done that.
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[17:41:22] <rata> rob0, its not listed in $mudestination because its in the transport. I dont want this machine to have those mails
[17:42:11] <rob0> Okay, then you made a configuration mistake. You should list your domains in relay_domains and users in relay_recipient_maps.
[17:43:02] <rob0> Um ... I guess, if you're the MX for those domains?
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[17:43:23] <rata> rob0, but how can i make /etc/aliases to do that ? (mails to root send them to addr1, from f_addr send it really and the rest to an account)
[17:43:27] <rob0> If not, what exactly is the function of this server supposed to be?
[17:43:41] <rob0> Yes, see "man 5 aliases".
[17:43:55] <rob0> oh not a wildcard
[17:44:06] <rob0> wildcards are evil anyway ... don't do it
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[17:45:43] <rata> rob0, its an internal server, and we need to test things that send mails to customers, but do not want to send them in the test. But i want to continue reading in other account mails to root, and there is the an application there that we want to send mails so mails from <f_addr> we want to be sent
[17:47:51] <rob0> Perhaps rather than transport_maps you only need relayhost set. Then do your dirty work on the relayhost.
[17:48:22] <rata> rob0, hmm, no. The relay host is a windows2000 i dont want to touch things there :-)
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[18:01:26] <Roobarb-Work> has anyone come across a Cisco firewall  munging a "220 <hostname> ESMTP" response into "220 *********" ?
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[18:07:02] <atali> hi
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[18:07:33] <dakoo> windows does email servers now also?
[18:07:46] <Cardo> hi there
[18:07:46] <dakoo> what's their server called?
[18:07:52] <atali> :(
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[18:08:07] <Cardo> I have a dilemma
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[18:08:32] <Cardo> just updated my mail server and have been setting up all the spamblock stuff
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[18:09:10] <Cardo> what rdb's do you guys use?
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[18:09:37] <Cardo> I'm using spamcop and spamhaus
[18:09:49] <Cardo> but can't decide which flavour of spamhaus to use
[18:10:53] * rob0 recommends Zen (and *not* spamcop, too many FP's)
[18:11:16] <hparker> zen is enough for the servers I admin
[18:11:18] <Cardo> spamcop gives many FPs?  Hmm, I'd read it was pretty good these days
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[18:11:32] <Cardo> thing with zen is it blocks all servers run on dynamic IPs
[18:11:50] <Cardo> I for one used to run a mail server on a technically dynamic IP (although it never changed)
[18:11:57] <Cardo> so with zen, that would be blocked
[18:13:51] <eltech> zen is nearly the defacto that other rbls are using
[18:14:16] <eltech> spamcop does have many FPs, but with zen if its valid you can be removed from their list as I did this morning
[18:14:32] <Cardo> so most mail servers these days will block dynamic IPs?
[18:14:41] <eltech> just got a new biz account and its ddns with a never changing "dynamic" ip.. had to get it unblocked and all is well now
[18:14:47] <eltech> yep
[18:15:12] <Cardo> I saw spamhaus lets you get dynamic IPs unblocked, does that work ok?
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[18:16:00] <eltech> yea, i had to do it this morning
[18:16:05] <Cardo> cool
[18:16:08] <Cardo> in that case, zen it is
[18:16:13] <Cardo> and I'll get rid of spamcop
[18:16:14] <eltech> and now im removed from nearly 2 other lists as a result
[18:16:32] <eltech> spamcop is ok, but i was once missing mail from a client and couldnt figure it out..
[18:16:35] * rob0 has lost sympathy for home users trying to run SMTP ... too damn many zombies out there
[18:16:44] <eltech> he was running his exchange on a dynamic ip
[18:16:45] * hparker blocks dynamic IPs with header checks long before getting to zen
[18:16:48] <Cardo> zen together with spamassassin should get 'em all
[18:17:06] <eltech> Cardo yes it should..
[18:17:09] <Cardo> hparker, for some enthusiasts, that's all they can have
[18:17:15] <rob0> If you've paid for business-class Internet service, demand it from the ISP.
[18:17:19] <eltech> hparker i'd like to do that .. save some processing..
[18:17:21] <hparker> Cardo: Smarthost via your ISP
[18:17:34] <eltech> rob0 not always possible..
[18:17:35] <hparker> Cardo: VPS are now as low as $10 a month
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[18:17:44] <rob0> Usually possible to get another ISP.
[18:17:45] <eltech> i have business, they plan on rolling static this coming month
[18:17:45] <Cardo> hparker, that's what I have now, a VPS
[18:17:50] <Cardo> with reverse DNS, woooo
[18:17:53] <eltech> but the ips do not change eitherway
[18:18:01] <hparker> Then it shouldn't be dynamic looking
[18:18:19] <Cardo> my new server isn't.  It was when I used to run it on my cable at home
[18:18:33] <rob0> Or if not ... (I live in such a place, only one real ISP choice, and they suck) ... use a VPS. :)
[18:18:58] <eltech> i hope when they do role out static they will allow the rev dns..
[18:19:17] <hparker> eltech: Poke around http://www.gabacho-net.jp/en/anti-spam/
[18:19:21] <Cardo> reverse dns is sweet
[18:19:48] <rob0> (Actually I live in two such places, and both ISP's -- Comcast and SBC/AT&T -- suck seriously in terms of not understanding business server needs.)
[18:20:10] <hparker> eltech: I use some of the rules, others caused too much admin with whitelisting.. Then I have some custom rules for rr, comcast, etc
[18:20:34] <eltech> gotcha
[18:21:36] <hparker> eltech: And Ralph's site has info on greylisting just dynamic looking IPs
[18:21:57] <rob0> s/ph/f/ :)
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[18:22:20] <hparker> rob0: 'tis ok, wasn't even gonna try his last name ;)
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[18:22:46] <rob0> Google "ralf postfix" should find him easily.
[18:22:59] <Cardo> zen won't block a server with a dynamic IP relaying through a server with a static IP, will it?
[18:23:00] <hparker> ;)
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[18:23:19] <eltech> it doesnt know that much
[18:23:27] <Cardo> I didn't expect it to
[18:23:28] <eltech> its diff smtp session
[18:23:29] <rob0> Cardo: an RBL is designed to lookup the IP address of the client which connects. However ...
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[18:23:51] <hparker> spamassassin might catch the IP listed and add a couple of points
[18:24:00] <Cardo> hparker, yeah, that's what I figured
[18:24:01] <rob0> ... there are some perversions of the RBL concept, such as implemented in SpamAssassin, which might read headers (a bad idea.)
[18:24:28] <Cardo> though I noticed spamassassin, though it finds the IPs and makes a note of them, doesn't add points for it
[18:24:36] <FlashNet> so i need some help with postfix configuration, i bought a custom dns domain from dyndns.org, and i want to set it up, what is my mail exchanger?
[18:24:40] <rob0> Okay, that's good.
[18:24:48] <hparker> It's never caused me any problems and I have about everything enabled in spamassassin along with a pile of SARE rules
[18:25:17] <Cardo> standard spamassassin rules don't add points for finding IPs in the header that are listed in RBLs
[18:25:38] <hparker> Cardo: Depends on where it's listed... A spmcop, sbl, or xbl listing will add a point or two... Other lists not so much..
[18:25:49] <Cardo> ahh
[18:25:56] * Cardo checks emails he's received
[18:26:03] <hparker> But, bayes brings it down ;)
[18:26:18] <hparker> As long as it's under 5, I don't care what it hit
[18:26:23] <eltech> http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/scripts/
[18:26:51] <Cardo> must say, I do like the way spamassassin works.  Very tidy
[18:26:57] <hparker> FlashNet: The IP of your mail server
[18:27:19] <Cardo> though, to be honest, with zen, hardly anything is getting through
[18:27:44] <hparker> Between that and greylisting I have to work to keep bayes trained
[18:27:52] <rob0> Cardo: my experience as well, Zen is good.
[18:28:08] <eltech> i cant handle the delay in email using postgrey
[18:28:12] <FlashNet> hparker, ok I have a dynamic ip, but im paying for a custom dns service thqat will route my domain name fatpug.net to my ip address of my router
[18:28:22] <eltech> sometimes it takes a few hours before retry
[18:28:35] <hparker> FlashNet: Then the name of your MX, like mail.example.com
[18:28:40] <eltech> hparker i dont see any info on the header checks stuff
[18:28:41] <rob0> hparker: to be pedantic: the value of MX would be the priority and hostname, not the IP, of the server.
[18:28:46] <FlashNet> hparker: do i need to setup port forwarding if so which port?
[18:29:02] <hparker> eltech: Not too much delay for me, I only greylist for 30 seconds ;)
[18:29:15] <hparker> eltech: One of the first couple of links
[18:29:21] <rob0> FlashNet, you need to know some basics about TCP/IP for this.
[18:29:40] <FlashNet> hthats my question what is the name of my MX?, my box is called linuxbox so would it be linuxbox.fatpug.net?
[18:29:51] <hparker> rob0: Yeah, I corrected myself.. Working on first cup here.. And had a customer wake me up.. Starting off good today :P
[18:30:07] <rob0> yeah I typed that before I saw your correction :)
[18:30:17] <hparker> FlashNet: Whatever you name it :P If that's what you want, fine ;)
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[18:30:52] <FlashNet> thanks for your help
[18:31:19] <FlashNet> so the name needs to correspond with the name of my box im running it on is this correct?
[18:31:37] <FlashNet> im new at hosting my own mail server, so im sorry to bother you
[18:32:17] <hparker> eltech: Read the first link, it's scattered through it
[18:32:32] <eltech> this one?
[18:32:33] <eltech> policyd-weight.org by Robert Felber
[18:32:43] <hparker> FlashNet: Correct, as long as dyndns knows that name
[18:32:44] <rob0> Ideally you would have the Postfix $myhostname be the name that your IP resolves to, and that name must also resolve to your IP. If you're running behind NAT it's more complex.
[18:32:48] <eltech> how would you implement a *.pl script to be run on mail in postfix?
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[18:32:57] <hparker> eltech: http://www.gabacho-net.jp/en/anti-spam/anti-spam-system.html
[18:33:04] <FlashNet> Thank you
[18:33:18] <FlashNet> hparker, thanks im very new at this
[18:33:48] <trafa> hi all
[18:33:52] <trafa> i have a doubt
[18:34:01] <trafa> when creating a user
[18:34:29] <trafa> I do cm user.johndoe
[18:34:49] <trafa> but imagine that i wanto to do: cm user.john.doe
[18:34:55] <trafa> Hw can i do it?
[18:35:21] <trafa> so it will be like this: john.doe at myserver dot com
[18:35:29] <hparker> What's a cm?
[18:35:37] <FlashNet> hparker: ok i just tried to change my dyndns mx record to LinuxBox.fatpug.net , and this is what is said   (linuxbox.chinesepig.net) Mail eXchanger (MX) records must point to hostnames that exist, and are host (A or AAAA) records, not aliases (CNAME).
[18:35:44] <rob0> trafa: depends on your type of delivery (is it local or virtual?) and perhaps your OS.
[18:36:08] <rob0> FlashNet: follow those instructions.
[18:36:14] <trafa> cm = create mailbox
[18:36:21] <rob0> hparker: centimeter
[18:36:22] <trafa> local
[18:36:30] <hparker> FlashNet: Then you need an A record... Pretty sure dyndns has docs on how to fix it (I haven't used dyndns in 10 years or more)
[18:37:04] <hparker> trafa: Probably have to play with quoting it.. But, never heard of or used cm so not real sure
[18:37:13] <trafa> ok
[18:37:33] <trafa> ok thxs anyway
[18:37:40] <rob0> trafa, it looks like a question for your OS.
[18:38:14] <hparker> What OS is it?
[18:40:22] <FlashNet> hparker: which port should i forward to my mail server?
[18:40:32] <hparker> 25
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[18:44:17] <FlashNet> hparker: i fixed it
[18:44:24] <hparker> ;)
[18:44:42] <FlashNet> now another question , how do i tes t to see if i setup postfix correctly?
[18:45:01] <hparker> Send email?
[18:45:43] <FlashNet> i feel like a total idiot, how do isend an email with postfix?
[18:46:37] <hparker> With your mail client ;)
[18:46:48] <hparker> thunderbird or whatever
[18:46:49] <rob0> !basic
[18:46:50] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:47:33] <FlashNet> ok so if im running GNOME, are the users i have setup for gnome are they going to have mail account?
[18:48:04] <rob0> You're running GNOME on a mail server?
[18:48:10] <hparker> If it's the same system, yes
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[18:50:58] <nictuku> hi all
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[18:53:53] <nictuku> hi devdas
[18:54:10] <devdas> hi nictuku
[18:54:11] <devdas> LTNS
[18:54:35] <nictuku> how's everything?
[18:55:15] <devdas> good
[18:55:16] <devdas> you?
[18:55:25] <nictuku> very good =]
[18:55:37] <hparker> lo devdas
[18:55:42] <nictuku> peaceful new job etc
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[19:06:19] <aozturk> I'm using fc7 how can I switch to postfix from sendmail. packages are installed
[19:06:48] <rob0> !basic
[19:06:49] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[19:16:46] <james_> hello everybody, where to set up alias virtual adress please ?
[19:17:23] <devdas> !virtual_alias_maps
[19:17:24] <knoba> devdas: 'virtual_alias_maps' : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[19:17:33] <james_> thanks devdas
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[19:21:34] <smARMie> hello. i asked this on the mailing list but got no useful answer: i have virtual domains with mysql. can i make an alias lala@domain1 to point to an sql query? (such as all@domain1 is select username from mailbox where domain=domain1)
[19:26:31] <rob0> No useful answer on postfix-users usually means there *is* no useful answer. :) Anyway, no, not that I know of, but you might use a virtual alias to a local account and run a command there.
[19:27:21] <smARMie> hmmmm. interesting idea. thanks, i'll give it a try
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[19:32:24] <devdas> smARMie: you could use a stored proc for that
[19:32:46] <smesjz> lo f3ew
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[19:34:18] <smARMie> devdas, you mean a stored procedure in mysql?
[19:34:54] <smARMie> unfortunately i don't know much about mysql. i'll utfg, but it'll take a while
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[19:36:49] <devdas> smARMie: I have no clue about MySQL either
[19:36:52] * devdas is a Pg user
[19:36:58] <smARMie> :))
[19:42:26] <Darknighter> how to uninstall postfix? with command : make clean ?
[19:44:01] <rob0> How did Darknighter install Postfix in the first place?
[19:45:41] <Darknighter> yes, but error, SASL not support in compiled
[19:45:43] <james_> hello everybody, is it possible to use a wildcard in virtual emails please ?
[19:46:01] <Darknighter> i need reinstall with support SASL
[19:46:19] <smesjz> james_: yes it is. You create a catch-all that way
[19:46:47] <james_> smesjz: . like in regexp ? can i use a regexp ? which kind ?
[19:46:52] <hparker> Darknighter: Then reinstall, no need to uninstall
[19:47:20] <smesjz> james_: you can use a regex too. Using the regex table
[19:47:44] <Darknighter> but old version postfix 2.3.2 and now postfix is 2.4
[19:47:47] <devdas> man regexp_table
[19:47:56] <devdas> Darknighter: make upgrade
[19:48:00] <james_> i am in, thanks
[19:48:01] * cpm uninstalls hparker and installs smesjz
[19:48:02] <smesjz> pcre is possible too I think
[19:48:09] <rob0> Some distributions have multiple Postfix packages with varied linked libraries.
[19:48:26] <smesjz> yea, hparker is grumpy & old. I am young and fresh, web 2.0 compliant ;)
[19:48:35] <cpm> cool!
[19:48:36] <hparker> lol
[19:48:45] <rob0> smesjz is hparker 2.0!
[19:48:45] <Darknighter> only download postfix 2.4 and make upgrade?
[19:49:01] <smesjz> and available in two colours
[19:49:07] <rob0> Darknighter: see INSTALL_README.html
[19:49:29] <Darknighter> ok, thanks rob0
[19:50:23] <cpm> # patch /usr/local/src/rob0 /usr/local/src/smesjz
[19:51:24] <james_> to make a catchall alias : . at foo dot com ? as far as i understood
[19:51:57] <devdas> @example.com   luser at example dot com
[19:52:07] * rob0 recommends against catchalls :)
[19:52:18] <hparker> s/luser/spam-lover
[19:52:31] <james_> oh ok thanks
[19:52:54] <rob0> they sound like fun until a spammer hits your domain with a dictionary attack. That WILL happen eventually.
[19:53:05] <Darknighter> rob0: and uninstall and install but ports, work normaly?
[19:54:02] <rob0> Darknighter, no comprende.
[19:54:21] <Darknighter> :(
[19:54:33] <rob0> If it's an OS question, ask it in a forum for your OS.
[20:02:14] <james_> what involves migrating the courier+postfix mail system from a /home/user/.maildir scheme to a /var/mail/user@domain scheme please ? complex ?
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[20:03:50] <devdas> comment out home_mailbox, set mail_spool_directory = /var/mail/
[20:04:05] <devdas> or if you want the domani part, you need virtual_mailbox_maps
[20:05:49] <james_> ok thank you
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[20:21:34] <naro> It is possible to configure domain alias, please? I have configured postfix with virtual users for domain1.tld and I want to receive emails for domain2.tld (for example domain.com and domain.org) without specifying all acounts again. All emails for domain1.tld should be accepted for domain2.tld too. No exceptions.
[20:22:12] <devdas> script the aliasing
[20:23:41] <naro> ok, thank you. I was not sure if there is configuration option or not.
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[20:57:13] <Signum> Oh, they caught Robert Soloway? Barbecue him!
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[20:57:50] <hparker> But, the goats wouldn't even eat that
[21:00:34] <smesjz> hi Chris
[21:00:56] <Signum> smesjz: eveling... err... evening
[21:02:33] * Signum is unenthuastic about continuing the tutorial... :(
[21:02:55] * cpm whips Signum "Get to work! Write Write!"
[21:04:38] <Signum> Man...
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[21:16:20] <IR6052> [rob0] : hola, pude reinstalar postfix con soporte para sasl pero ahora no reconoce los password, ese problema era del parche del cyrus creo?
[21:17:02] * hparker rubs eyes... Nope. still can't read it
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[21:19:14] <Signum> IR6052: your universal translator seems to have run out of batteries
[21:20:08] <cpm> I think he reinstalled postfix to get sasl, and did some cyrus patch, and now has no joy
[21:21:44] <IR6052> reinstalled postfix with support sasl but not recognized password, problem patch cyrus-sasl2 ?
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[21:29:33] <syzygyBSD> so, the last month or so has spam droped off significantly or is there something wrong with my mail server?
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[21:31:01] <Signum> I'm getting a lot of spam still. Hardly any drop here. Although the recent Robert Soloway thingy was supposed to bring rates down.
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[21:32:10] <syzygyBSD> I have gotten 2 in the last week, down from about 10 a day
[21:32:35] <syzygyBSD> no spam filter other than greylisting
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[21:32:55] <syzygyBSD> well, and valid sender type checks
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[21:36:01] <syzygyBSD> sure enough, volume of attempted spam to me has decreased from 40K a day to 6K
[21:36:02] <Signum> I'm not sure 10 versus 2 a day is enough for a measure. I get 100-200 per day. :(
[21:36:27] <syzygyBSD> oh, I have huge volumes being attempted to me, none make it through greylisting though
[21:36:30] <syzygyBSD> funny that
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[21:37:43] * Signum wonders why everybody is so happy with greylisting when it hardly helped him cut down spam
[21:38:01] <many> wrong interval.
[21:38:10] <many> but saying greylisting makes me happy would be a lie, too.
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[21:38:20] <syzygyBSD> it makes me happy
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[21:39:30] * hparker uses 30 seconds and it knocks down quite a bit from watching the logs.. Need to figure out an analysis tool for it though
[21:39:58] <syzygyBSD> grep
[21:40:03] <many> lastly, i rely on my own scripts to kick spammers out
[21:40:45] <hparker> syzygyBSD: I can grep for those that retry, not sure how to check for those that don't
[21:40:46] <syzygyBSD> I thought I was doing well, out of 100K a day I used to be getting, now they only attempt 6K
[21:41:22] <syzygyBSD> hparker: the ones that retry are successful, count total - successful
[21:41:51] <hparker> I'm also interested in how many don't retry
[21:42:10] <syzygyBSD> for me that is easy.. all of them
[21:42:19] <hparker> Hrrmm
[21:42:20] <syzygyBSD> except 2 in the last week
[21:42:31] <hparker> Let me look at something
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[21:43:48] <syzygyBSD> Signum: maybe you are just getting more legitimate spam than I am?
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[21:46:27] <^majik^> question: I followed this article http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_spam_postfix/ and I can still identify myself in the HELO string as google.com or the postfix box's hostname and still have the message get delivered.  What am I doing wrong?
[21:46:43] <Signum> syzygyBSD: "legitimate spam". is that something like "nuclear peace" or "virgin pregnancy"?
[21:47:18] <syzygyBSD> Signum: nuclear war would be very peaceful
[21:47:44] <syzygyBSD> I just mean they are real protocol following mail servers, instead of compromised bot networks
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[21:59:50] <eltech> hparker thanks for the info earlier.. I'll have to try it out.. would be nice to look at headers before wasting time and BW on rbl .. eventhough they are not working hard with the little traffic i get
[22:00:32] <hparker> Yeah... And dropping like res.rr.com and other obvious ones helps as well
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[22:20:08] <^majik^> ah, I see what I did wrong. ;)  I didn't reject my mail server's IP and hostname in helo_access
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[22:23:38] <rob0> ^majik^: There are a lot of "localhost" HELOs too.
[22:24:06] <many> "friend"
[22:24:09] <many> "bigdeal.com"
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[22:25:22] <many> ah, no "mail.bigdeal.com" "localhost.localdomain", "myfirstmail.com", and i also forbid "juno.com" and "*.pldt.net"
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[22:28:22] <rob0> reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname is safe and very helpful.
[22:31:42] <hparker> Except the damn exchange admins that have localhost
[22:32:04] <rob0> they'll have trouble getting mail out anywhere :)
[22:32:35] <many> rob0: the script does it, it may break w/ ipv6 too
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[22:39:43] <syzygyBSD> hparker: if someone else doesn't know how to address mail it isn't my job to configur their server
[22:40:32] <hparker> syzygyBSD: But unfortunately I admin a gov't server, while most of their contacts run exchange...
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[22:41:15] <syzygyBSD> meh, they will get the bounce message.  Make sure you are very explicit about how incompetent their tech is in your error message
[22:41:28] <hparker> hehe
[22:42:03] <hparker> It's bad enough Cox leaves generic rDNS on their "business" class connections causing me to back off on my regexps
[22:42:30] <syzygyBSD> funny I have never had to add ANY of those checks
[22:43:12] <syzygyBSD> just make sure it comes from a FQDN and the MAIL FROM address can also recieve a reply (domain exists)
[22:43:19] <syzygyBSD> catches tons of my spam
[22:43:34] <hparker> I admin that one, and one for an ISP, that are both a bit underpowered now
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[22:46:47] <many> my pvt mail server *rejects* a total of 4400 mails while accepting 630 mails
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[22:47:20] <many> so i guess it gets rid of alot of spam :)
[22:48:27] <syzygyBSD> :)
[22:48:53] <syzygyBSD> mine is about 6600 to 10 accepted for my domain/accounts on my server
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[22:49:41] <many> wow ;)
[22:51:11] <hparker> Overworked server  http://mail.odsgc.net/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi
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[22:51:58] <syzygyBSD> bah, only 50K a day? not bad at all
[22:52:21] <syzygyBSD> hell, I had 1 email account that was getting 100k -200k a day
[22:52:43] <syzygyBSD> at the time it was the catch all for a domain with no spam filtering...
[22:52:54] <hparker> But it's squeezed into and amd 1ghz with 786mb of ram
[22:52:59] <Signum> syzygyBSD: impressive. I'm using my current email address publicly and (with RBLs in place) just get 100-200 through. how did you manage that?
[22:53:10] <Signum> syzygyBSD: ah, no filtering at all.
[22:53:22] <hparker> smtp w/amavisd-new/sa/clamav, pop, webmail
[22:53:42] <syzygyBSD> ya, I rebuilt the server from scratch and got it down to < 200 within a week
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[22:54:58] <Signum> Interesting though that spammers must assume we are still thinking that their emails are honest and genuine if we get sold 50 wrist watches per day and ought to buy stock options like hell.
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[23:10:20] <syzygyBSD> not all of us, but enough to make it profitable to them
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