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[00:00:07] <ek> ClamAV, McAfee, etc...?
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[00:32:12] <tuxcrafter> thanks for all the support today
[00:32:13] <tuxcrafter> bye
[00:32:19] <tuxcrafter> see you tomorrow
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[00:55:57] <renkho> hello, can anybody please help me with this: i have a mailuser that it has a .mailfilter file for be used by maildrop, i can get the from address but now i need to get the subject to
[00:56:03] <renkho> for then process into another script
[00:56:11] <renkho> but im stuck in get the subject of the mail
[00:56:12] <renkho> :(
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[01:03:16] <coopsh> I want to relay all mails to a local user to another mail address
[01:03:21] <coopsh> I use a virtual map
[01:03:31] <coopsh> root       mail at example dot com
[01:03:34] <coopsh> this works
[01:03:48] <coopsh> but now I switched the virtual map format to regexp
[01:04:11] <coopsh>  /^root/     mail at example dot com
[01:04:14] <coopsh> however doesn't work
[01:04:20] <coopsh> reason:
[01:06:02] <coopsh> User unknown in virtual alias table
[01:06:24] <coopsh> postmap -q root regexp:/etc/postfix/virtual   gives me the correct mail address
[01:06:26] <coopsh> I have no more idea
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[01:09:55] <xpoint> sender domain not found, arg why is postfix rejecting when there is a mx for a domain where there is no a dns record :/(
[01:10:29] <djwonk> i'm pretty sure my ISP is blocking port 25, so I'd like to setup Postfix to respond to, say, 2525
[01:10:47] <djwonk> i'm not sure what configuration file to tweak or what change to make
[01:10:56] <djwonk> (fedora core 6)
[01:11:01] <xpoint> djwonk, master.cf
[01:11:48] <djwonk> xpoint: thanks, I searched for '25' or 'default port' ... but I'm still stuck
[01:12:05] <xpoint> smtpd in master.cf
[01:12:33] <xpoint> 0.0.0.0:2525 inet .... smtpd
[01:13:27] <djwonk> i had tried:
[01:13:28] <djwonk> 2525      unix  -       -       n       -       -       smtp
[01:13:38] <xpoint> unix doh :-)
[01:13:39] <djwonk> but it appears that the 0.0.0.0: part is important, right?
[01:13:46] <xpoint> inet
[01:13:54] <djwonk> doh!
[01:14:15] <djwonk> is the 0.0.0.0: part important?  if so, why?
[01:14:37] <xpoint> no one from outside can connect to a unix socket, change to inet and all i well
[01:15:09] <djwonk> xpoint: thanks!
[01:16:30] <xpoint> i dont know if 0.0.0.0 is needed but i know it works :-)
[01:17:41] <xpoint> stop postfix after change in master.cf is needed
[01:18:00] <djwonk> xpoint: I ended up with:
[01:18:07] <djwonk> 2525      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtp
[01:18:43] <xpoint> if it works
[01:18:56] <djwonk> do i used 'smtp' at the end or 'smtpd'?
[01:19:03] <xpoint> smtp should be smtpd
[01:19:16] <djwonk> what is the difference?
[01:19:21] <xpoint> d
[01:19:24] <djwonk> :)
[01:19:41] <xpoint> first one is client, last is server
[01:20:38] <djwonk> ok, i suppose this has to do with Postfix sometimes relaying messages, right, in which case it would need smtp.  if it is going to send to a local user, it would use smtpd?
[01:20:39] <xpoint> why would anyone like to have a client on port 2525
[01:21:25] <xpoint> !basic
[01:21:25] <knoba> xpoint: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:21:29] <djwonk> i've been searching for a good introduction to postfix, my oreilly books are failing me, as is google
[01:21:44] <djwonk> thanks!
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[01:47:20] <coopsh> Is there a way to reject all emails to root?
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[01:51:12] <xpoint> remove root :-)
[01:51:43] <backz> I've unknown user when I send mail to forwarded users, to do it I'm using virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf
[01:52:21] <backz> postmap -q forwarded@user on mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf returns original user
[01:57:22] <xpoint> newer trust senders that is forwarded, it will crate backscatter mostly before or later
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[03:59:36] <hax> anyone about? i'm trying to figure out how to do smtpd_sender_login_maps with sasl
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[04:19:33] <ALKH> hi all ! how can i have a shell script executed after each delivered mail ?
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[09:29:20] <FuzzyB> What's the command you run to tell postfix you updated /etc/aliases ?
[09:33:32] <Alex> newaliases
[09:34:36] <FuzzyB> ok i thought so
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[10:45:54] <Paladine> anyone awake?
[10:46:45] <nightswim> probably
[10:47:06] <Paladine> am having a huge problem with TLS was wondering if someone could help me out?
[10:48:33] <Paladine> May 26 09:30:52 mail imapd: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
[10:48:40] <Paladine> I can't seem to get past that error
[10:51:08] * sysmonk coughs... how does that error connects with postfix?
[10:52:01] <Paladine> well the config for tls is in main.cf
[10:52:31] <Paladine> and with everyone's knowledge of mail servers in here, seemed an appropriate place to ask for help
[10:53:46] <sysmonk> as far as i see, you have problems with courier imapd, and courier imapd doesn't read TLS config from postfix's main.cf
[10:56:23] <smesjz> hmm, how can I turn on recipient checks for sendmail submitted mail? For example... rcpt to: <joe> expands to <joe at domain dot tld> (append_dot_mydomain = yes) but Postfix doesn't check if joe at domain dot tld even exists. So it delivers the back straight to the MDA..
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[11:36:48] <tuxcrafter> Signum: hello
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[11:59:42] <tuxcrafter> how do I get the domain part with a authorization request with a user that has no @domain part
[12:04:07] <smesjz> tuxcrafter: and now in plain English?
[12:04:22] <tuxcrafter> I need to know what information i have during a authorization request with doveco
[12:04:47] <tuxcrafter> is there a way to find out the domain part
[12:04:54] <tuxcrafter> without having a user like user@domain
[12:05:07] <smesjz> Dovecot SASL you mean?
[12:05:19] <tuxcrafter> the dovecot -sql part
[12:05:24] <smesjz> tell your users to login with their e-mail address and you're fine
[12:05:56] <tuxcrafter> smesjz: yes that is the current setup, but i would like to use only a user name
[12:06:33] <smesjz> that'll will cause problems as logging in with 'info' in ambigious
[12:06:52] <tuxcrafter> without losing the ability to be able to use the same username with another virtual domain
[12:07:23] <smesjz> what's wrong with logging in with the full e-mail address?
[12:07:31] <tuxcrafter> to much typing
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[12:08:34] <smesjz> a sane mail client can remember the user/pass combo :)
[12:08:43] <tuxcrafter>  i was wondering about a different login port for every virtual domain
[12:09:06] <smesjz> you wonder too much....
[12:09:09] <tuxcrafter> so that the server will now from with domain the user comes
[12:09:25] <tuxcrafter> smesjz: do you know how this can be done
[12:09:29] <smesjz> don't even bother to go down that road
[12:11:05] <smesjz> really, keep it simple and tell the users to login with the e-mail address. Don't get yourself into trouble and other nastiness with using different ports or other dirty stuff
[12:11:29] <tuxcrafter> smesjz: but it will look a lot nicer for the end user
[12:12:03] <tuxcrafter> also it is strange to be able to login then form diffrent domains :-D
[12:12:06] <smesjz> it's a non-issue imho. They only have to enter the user/pass once and then save it
[12:12:35] <tuxcrafter> saving user and password on a computer is never save
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[12:13:08] * smesjz gives tuxcrafter some clue
[12:13:33] <smesjz> are you using TLS/SSL too? :)
[12:14:02] <tuxcrafter> yes
[12:14:30] <tuxcrafter> but i have to set-up the certificates correct still working on that
[12:14:58] <smesjz> then saving the password on the password on a client wouldn't be much of an issue.
[12:15:31] <smesjz> but honestly, I think you're just making your setup too complex for no good reason
[12:16:21] <tuxcrafter> smesjz: possibly
[12:16:42] <tuxcrafter> but i cant stand this message form my mail client
[12:17:04] <tuxcrafter> pass word recquest form user@domain@domain
[12:17:11] <war> Anyone here use sender address verification ?
[12:17:13] <tuxcrafter> because the user is user@domain
[12:17:18] <smesjz> that's just how you configure Thunderbird
[12:17:45] <tuxcrafter> smesjz: yes because the user field now have to contain the user@domain
[12:17:55] <tuxcrafter> is there another way then?
[12:18:20] <smesjz> it's a just a matter of configuring your client, not a Postfix/Dovecot issue
[12:18:29] <udi_trugman> join #centos
[12:19:08] <smesjz> tuxcrafter: the 'accountname' setting T'bird can be set to 'user'
[12:19:11] <smesjz> rather than user@domain
[12:23:43] <tuxcrafter> smesjz: i set the user name to user and the mail server to domain so it ask nicely as I want the passport for user@domain
[12:23:54] <tuxcrafter> but then it will not connect
[12:24:23] <tuxcrafter> i mean it will connect but it will not get authorized
[12:25:37] <smesjz> I don't get it. Did you configure the 'Outgoing SMTP Server' settings at the Account Settings page?
[12:26:05] <smesjz> that's all you need to fill in for smtp-auth (client side in T'bird)
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[12:26:45] <tuxcrafter> i am not talking about outgoing smtp
[12:27:11] <tuxcrafter> i mean logging in to you mail account
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[12:28:49] <smesjz> Server settings|User name...
[12:28:58] <smesjz> just set 'you at youraddress dot org'
[12:29:30] <smesjz> and make sure your query in Dovecot is correct
[12:30:04] <smesjz> I've this for example:
[12:30:05] <smesjz> password_query = SELECT username as user, password FROM mailbox WHERE username = '%u'
[12:30:14] <smesjz> but you'd better ask this at #dovecot
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[13:44:29] <tuxcrafter> Signum: are you there
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[13:50:24] <pp> hey .. I fetch email via fetchmail and hand it over to procmail .. but postfix does not log anything .. it works like a charm tho .. just that I want logs .. is that possible?
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[14:12:17] <ALKH> hi all ! how can i have a shell script executed after each delivered mail ?
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[15:11:58] <TheInfinity> hmm ... not a question directly related to postfix ... is it possible to give procmail the dir where the mail should be saved? postfix knows it because it has access to mysql, but what about procmail? somthing like an argument in master.cnf? and how can i read this argument in procmail?
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[15:15:39] <smesjz> TheInfinity: maildrop is virtual aware, imho procmail isn't
[15:16:46] <TheInfinity> but procmail can sort spam better ... ;) ... i can write with procmail in any dirs and read it with xourier
[15:16:52] <TheInfinity> *courier
[15:16:55] <lennard> smesjz: don't you mean iirc? :)
[15:17:08] <TheInfinity> the thing is that i have to get this dir somehow
[15:17:15] <lennard> TheInfinity: maildrop can do that
[15:18:23] <TheInfinity> ftp://ftp.ix.de/pub/ix/ix_listings/2003/11/nixspam.procmailrc <-- i like this script as basic because its much faster then spamassasign - as pre-sortating
[15:19:30] <TheInfinity> hmm ... ok then directly related to postfix - is it possible to give an folder as argument in master.cnf?
[15:19:57] <smesjz> procmail can sort better than maildrop? define better?
[15:21:26] <smesjz> TheInfinity: i dont like that script at all.
[15:21:38] <TheInfinity> smesjz: ok lets say in another way - i know procmail a little better :) ... and lots of given confs are written as procmail confs ... or do you have somehow a tutorial site how to presort spam with maildrop?
[15:22:51] <smesjz> TheInfinity: you can feed a mail to spamc ->  xfilter "/usr/bin/spamc -u spamc" & then based on the score you can put in a different directory
[15:23:18] <TheInfinity> spamc is slow and i only have a small vps ;)
[15:23:28] <smesjz> if (/^X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=(\S+)/) <-- that assigns the score to $MATCH1 . So you can use it in expressions like if ($MATCH1 < 10) { }
[15:24:18] <smesjz> TheInfinity: well, spamc is faster than just calling '/usr/bin/spamassassin' all the time. But I switched to Amavis because of other reasons too ;)
[15:24:22] <TheInfinity> but perhaps first use the simple way ...
[15:24:41] <TheInfinity> why? :)
[15:24:56] <smesjz> your procmailrc cant handle the image spam for example unless you update it
[15:24:57] <TheInfinity> <-- is quite a newbie in spam sorting
[15:25:03] <smesjz> I figured so ;)
[15:25:41] <smesjz> but amavis can scan outbound mail too..like mail from Apache etc as well as aliased mail to outside e-mail address like joe at localdomain dot com -> joe at gmail dot com
[15:26:23] <TheInfinity> that means postfix with amavis -> maildrop -> courier?
[15:26:49] <TheInfinity> and maildrop reads spam status and sorts it in the folders?
[15:26:51] <smesjz> I had Postfix -> amavis -> maildrop. But I've Postfix -> amavis -> dovecot now
[15:26:53] <smesjz> yes
[15:27:17] <smesjz> everything > 7.5 score it discards, 5 - 7.5 is stored in a global mailbox and <= 5 is just delivered
[15:27:35] <TheInfinity> dovecot seems to be interesting as i heard, but first i wand spam protection ;)
[15:28:03] <smesjz> but now amavis discards mail >= 7.5 and sends 5 - 7.5 to a given e-mail box
[15:28:31] <smesjz> if you want spamprotection you really should look at spamc/spamd or dspam
[15:28:52] <TheInfinity> then its also possible to make a folder "junk" where possible spam is sorted in?
[15:29:13] <smesjz> sure
[15:29:18] <TheInfinity> and then via cronjob reading it to let spamassaign lern from this?
[15:29:33] <smesjz> it has a feature called autolearn
[15:29:39] <smesjz> and autowhitelisting
[15:29:54] <TheInfinity> uff ... seems to be quite a difficult thing ;)
[15:30:23] <smesjz> well, once it's running you dont need to look at it anymore
[15:31:32] <TheInfinity> okay ... then ... whats the difference between amavis and spamc? is spamc used by amavis?
[15:32:23] <TheInfinity> i think i have to read wiki articles about it to understand ... *hmm* :)
[15:32:30] <smesjz> I think so too :)
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[15:32:41] <izh_dima> hello
[15:32:50] <TheInfinity> perhaps i'll ask again when i am ready ;)
[15:32:53] <smesjz> amavis a content filter that uses the Spamassassin libs. spamc/spamd is client/server stuff
[15:32:55] <TheInfinity> thanks :)
[15:33:38] <izh_dima> Can't contact LDAP server, what's wrong......  mey be who have the documentation for postfix+ldap ?
[15:34:47] <TheInfinity> set up ldap server correctly? ;)
[15:35:02] <TheInfinity> i had my fun with it ;)
[15:35:57] <izh_dima> TheInfinity, yes, and i can browsing ldap with ldapbrowser
[15:36:18] <TheInfinity> ok then i'm out - i use ldap as shared adressbook server :)
[15:37:25] <izh_dima> where i can reading about this ?
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[15:39:04] <TheInfinity> smesjz: hmm ... if a user has just thunderbird for example without any config then it has no spamc, so no chance to use this?
[15:40:52] <smesjz> spamc runs on the server. It can tag the mail as SPAM and set up a client side to filter all that mail to a local folder
[15:41:23] <smesjz> but if he's using IMAP he sees the spam/junk folder in his client
[15:42:54] <TheInfinity> i recomment imap, yes
[15:43:45] <TheInfinity> its just a little server for me and two projects / organisations, so nothing where i loose control over the users ...
[15:44:49] <TheInfinity> ok thanks at all ... all in all a difficult theme because there are tons of outdated tutorials in web ;)
[15:45:23] <smesjz> when you create a new user you can also create a 'spam' folder and have maildrop/procmail deliver mail to that folder
[15:45:42] <TheInfinity> okay
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[15:56:20] <wfq> what is the difference between a SMPT server and MTA
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[15:58:35] <wfq> I mean, a MTA that supports SMTP
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[15:59:51] <izh_dima> postfix does not putting the mails to directory, why?
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[16:08:55] <wfq> hello
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[16:24:34] <mh_le> I'm following a howto to setup cyrus with postfix, and it says to replace a line with a new one (flags= user=cyrus argv=/usr/cyrus/bin/deliver -r ${sender} -m ${extension} ${user}) but the old one isn't here to begin with...
[16:25:26] <smesjz> Signum?
[16:25:33] <mh_le> ?
[16:27:18] <snappy> mh_le: you can use lmtp, it's easier to configure aswell.
[16:28:19] <mh_le> snappy: I'm setting up cyrus with mysql, does it make a differnece?
[16:31:41] <mh_le> where can I find ifso on setting up lmtp?
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[16:39:44] <aCiDRaiN> hi people
[16:40:43] <aCiDRaiN> i have a little problem with my server. I have postfix in one machine and mysql in other machine. I can send and recieve without problems but .....
[16:40:53] <aCiDRaiN> y can see in the mysql.log this messages :S
[16:41:00] <mh_le> snappy: can I show you the howto page? it's the first section?
[16:41:05] <aCiDRaiN>                     565 Query       SELECT goto FROM virtual WHERE address='ma.freei.net'
[16:41:05] <aCiDRaiN>                     566 Query       SELECT maildir FROM users WHERE address='ma.freei.net'
[16:41:05] <aCiDRaiN>                     564 Query       SELECT transport FROM transport WHERE domain='ma.freei.net'
[16:41:05] <aCiDRaiN>                     564 Query       SELECT transport FROM transport WHERE domain='freei.net'
[16:41:05] <aCiDRaiN>                     564 Query       SELECT transport FROM transport WHERE domain='net'
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[16:41:31] <aCiDRaiN> a lot os similar messages :S what is this ? spam ? bounce ? relay ?
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[16:42:43] <smesjz> aCiDRaiN: it's harmless. check /var/log/mail.log and search for 'ma.freei.net' . It's just Postfix at work
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[16:43:45] <aCiDRaiN> mail:/etc/postfix# cat /var/log/mail.log | grep -i ma.freei.net | wc -l
[16:43:46] <aCiDRaiN> 10
[16:43:57] <aCiDRaiN> yeah, i have 10 lines about that pattern
[16:45:16] <aCiDRaiN> but, i have a lot of similar messages, with others pattern ..... and my sql server crash with the connections ....
[16:45:42] <smesjz> crash?
[16:46:17] <aCiDRaiN> "too many connections" , and the server stop, and re-run after a couple os minutes
[16:46:46] <aCiDRaiN> sorry, i'm spanish and speak english a little bit :P
[16:47:18] <smesjz> oh, edit my.cnf and increase the number of connections and/or use the proxy feature of Postfix
[16:47:41] <smesjz> http://www.postfix.org/proxymap.8.html
[16:47:45] <aCiDRaiN> ok
[16:48:23] <aCiDRaiN> thanks, the problem is in postfix configuration or similar. Mysql doesn't need increase the connections ... THANKS !
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[16:50:22] <smesjz> i've max_connections set to 2000 . Probably overkill ;)
[16:52:10] <aCiDRaiN> i've in the mail.log a lot of address .... about 32.000 :S
[16:52:11] <aCiDRaiN>                                          lynda1965 at juno dot com
[16:52:11] <aCiDRaiN>                                          kim1 at bellsouth dot net
[16:52:11] <aCiDRaiN>                                          kris69_420 at netzero dot net
[16:52:20] <aCiDRaiN> ....
[16:53:41] <smesjz> set up a good spamfilter and dont backscatter ;)
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[18:27:56] <Menkaure> hello. in my main.cf i edit the line virtual_alias_maps and add "hash:/etc/postfix/virtual". now my server don't except emails anymoe. why? there are two other entries already there with mysql:....
[18:28:17] <Menkaure> are there only 2 allowed or what can be wrong. the file is readable by all
[18:29:14] <Menkaure> or isn't it possible to store some information in files and some in the database?
[18:30:16] <snappy> check your error logs
[18:33:17] <Menkaure> there is a file missing it seems. /etc/postfix/virtual.db. but i don't know if this is the reason because i am working on the mail system since days to integrate an autoreply without success.
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[18:38:00] <Menkaure> i also get a warning for "bad command startup" in file "/usr/lib/postfix/smtpd wich not exists
[18:39:28] <Menkaure> oh its there sorry my fault
[18:41:36] <snappy> have you looked at your error logs?
[18:41:47] <Menkaure> yes thats what i found there
[18:41:51] <snappy> but you need to use postmap to genreate the db file.
[18:43:20] <Menkaure> is that for an module? because my email is working at all. i tried to integreate an auto reply. tried maildrop, procmail, vacation and viene. maybe i don't delet something i tried to install before
[18:46:09] <snappy> you haven't generated the db file for virtual, you need to do this, especially if postfix depends on it.
[18:46:41] <Menkaure> mmh but my mailboxes and adresses are already stored in mysql and still working
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[19:18:43] <frennkie> hi, is there a way that i can prevent that my mail users get notifications that emails they sent didn't reach their destination when they didn't send the mail, but a spammer faked the FROM field
[19:20:21] <hparker> !backscatter
[19:20:22] <knoba> hparker: 'backscatter' : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[19:20:27] <hparker> frennkie: ^^^
[19:21:14] <frennkie> thx.. i'll have a look a this
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[19:42:10] <smesjz> hmm, annoying. I get different behaviour on my secundary MX than on the primary but I can't explain it. On the secundary MX I get the behaviour I want ->
[19:42:11] <smesjz> rcpt to: <hansworst>
[19:42:12] <smesjz> 550 5.1.1 <hansworst>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table
[19:42:50] <smesjz> primary:
[19:42:51] <smesjz> rcpt to: <hansworst>
[19:42:52] <smesjz> 250 2.1.5 Ok
[19:44:14] <smesjz> I disabled both append_at_myorigin and append_dot_mydomain but that does not make a difference
[19:45:30] <hax> anyone about that might have a clue how i can make "smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_sender_login_mismatch" work with SASL?
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[20:09:32] <rob0> hparker: I tried it with different RAM. New POST code is d5 (was d4). Still no video. I'm suspecting a bad mobo.
[20:09:53] <rob0> (Now that I'm unemployed I have time to mess with it.)
[20:14:02] <hparker> rob0: iirc you tried with each processor, if so I'd agree
[20:15:56] <rob0> This time I didn't take the time to try the other CPU.
[20:16:54] <rob0> S'pose I should, but I was frustrated and in a hurry.
[20:17:49] <rob0> $400 Tyan motherboard. :(
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[20:35:18] <hparker> :(
[20:35:54] <hparker> Tyan is usually decent, as is Supermicro
[20:36:39] <rob0> yeah, I thought so. I guess I'll find out about warranty coverage now. I may be beyond my newegg return period.
[20:45:42] <eat_life> its so HOT!
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[20:48:32] <mh_le> anyone here use web-cyradmin?
[20:51:17] <hparker> rob0: Well, from what i've heard tyan's support is good.. Not had a problem with them, so no first hand experience
[20:51:45] <Dominian> rob0: Foxconn
[21:00:16] <hparker> The people that build Intel boards...
[21:20:27] <frennkie> I'm using postfix 2.2 how and where can i change the bounce messages ("This is the Postfix program at host[...]")
[21:21:24] <hparker> frennkie: Upgrade, pretty sure 2.3 allows that.. check the changelog.. otherwise, hack the source
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[21:23:15] <frennkie> hparker: i have seen that there is a way in 2.3. But it s not in my distro and would like to avoid changing too much for this
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[21:27:37] <FlashNet3> i need help with my first postfix config is anyone available?
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[21:34:47] <narcissist> what web gui are you using for postfix?
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[21:38:20] <frennkie> FlashNet3: whats the problem?
[21:38:40] <frennkie> narcissist
[21:38:52] <frennkie> : what is this gui supposed to so?
[21:39:43] <narcissist> add users, basically
[21:40:07] <narcissist> i tried phpmailadmin, but got an error when trying that usersetup.pl
[21:40:14] <narcissist> but maybe all gui:s use one of those?
[21:40:35] <eat_life> virtual users?
[21:40:44] <eat_life> regular users you can just add like normal users
[21:44:32] <narcissist> 21:39:43 <eat_life> regular users you can just add like normal users
[21:44:35] <narcissist> you mind explaining that? :)
[21:45:10] <eat_life> regular mail users are just users on the system
[21:45:21] <eat_life> people in /etc/passwd
[21:46:07] <narcissist> then i guess it's virtual users i want to add
[21:47:02] <eat_life> what database?
[21:47:05] <narcissist> mysql
[21:47:10] <eat_life> i just use phpmyadmin
[21:47:16] <eat_life> it's a web gui for mysql
[21:47:25] <narcissist> oh
[21:47:26] <narcissist> uhm
[21:47:31] <eat_life> and i goto the database storing the virtual users and insert users like that
[21:47:38] <narcissist> i haven't set up postfix to use mysql anywhere
[21:47:51] <narcissist> i thought you ment for the gui app
[21:47:57] <eat_life> so.. you're just using regular user mails
[21:48:06] <narcissist> hah, guess so
[21:48:15] <eat_life> just `adduser` then
[21:48:32] <narcissist> i'd rather change to mysql for postfix
[21:48:47] <eat_life> what OS?
[21:49:07] <frennkie> how many user do you /will you have?
[21:49:24] <narcissist> not that many
[21:49:39] <narcissist> it's a server for my own projects and clients of mine
[21:49:41] <narcissist> ie not that many
[21:49:50] <narcissist> 10 domains or so
[21:49:57] <eat_life> the other reason for virtual mail is multiple domains :)
[21:50:00] <eat_life> not just amount of users
[21:50:15] <narcissist> :) ok
[21:50:22] <eat_life> i was telling frennkie
[21:50:25] <eat_life> what OS are you using?
[21:50:38] <narcissist> debian etch
[21:51:01] <eat_life> did you take a look at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ ?
[21:51:09] <eat_life> it's for sarge, but 90% of it is still good
[21:51:16] <narcissist> okay
[21:51:22] <narcissist> i'll have a look
[21:51:25] <frennkie> eat_life: ok, i was just thinking if it is worth the "work", setting up sql for 10 users. I have over 30 virtual domains and am not using mysql..
[21:51:42] <narcissist> looks incredibly complex
[21:51:50] <eat_life> well i don't want the users having a system account
[21:52:00] <eat_life> so i setup so they just have virtual mail accounts
[21:52:26] <frennkie> they don't...
[21:52:27] <eat_life> unless it can be stored somewhere else, don't you need a database?
[21:52:55] <narcissist> isn't there just an easy way of getting all this running?
[21:53:15] <narcissist> is there maybe another mailserver that better suits my needs of simplicity
[21:53:32] <eat_life> postfix is pretty simple to me
[21:53:44] <narcissist> well... you pretty much seem like an expert
[21:53:53] <eat_life> i'm not
[21:53:56] <narcissist> your subject is always easy when you're the expert :)
[21:53:59] <narcissist> mkay
[21:54:48] <eat_life> theres no way you'll learn unless you read :)
[21:54:55] <eat_life> and this is a step by step how-to
[21:54:57] <narcissist> of course
[21:55:02] <narcissist> but there's more or less reading
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[22:01:53] <eat_life> i don't know that workaround.rg tutorial is like a step by step how to, not even a manual
[22:02:10] <eat_life> it's just reading, no thinking or even comprehension
[22:03:05] <narcissist> :D
[22:03:10] <narcissist> you make a good point!
[22:03:19] <eat_life> just type/edit everything it tells you to
[22:03:30] <eat_life> the only problem you'll have is with courier-authdaemon i think
[22:03:37] <eat_life> that changed from sarge->etch
[22:04:29] <eat_life> but maybe there is a simpler way...
[22:04:42] <eat_life> since frennkie said he can setup virtual mailboxes for multiple domains without a database
[22:06:27] <eat_life> you can setup mail forwarding
[22:06:45] <eat_life> but i don't think it's the samething as having your own mailbox, but maybe it'll work for you
[22:07:19] <eat_life> but that's slightly more simple
[22:09:10] <frennkie> eat_life: ;-) that i did not say. There is a database (which does a lot of different things to). But my mail users are in /etc/passed.
[22:09:26] <Signum> smesjz: sir?
[22:09:29] <frennkie> sry, that i didn't make that clear
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[22:11:35] <tuxben> qui pourait m'aider ?
[22:12:19] <tuxben> ???
[22:12:46] <frennkie> je ne parle pas de francais... anglais ?
[22:12:55] <tuxben> a little
[22:13:14] <smesjz> english only
[22:13:53] <tuxben> ok
[22:14:44] <tuxben> I'll make some times to write because it's in english
[22:15:24] <eat_life> tuxben: root at eu85-10-83-249 dot adsl.euphonynet.be ??
[22:15:25] <eat_life> :P
[22:15:33] <smesjz> Signum: are you gonna change that? password_query = SELECT email as user, password, CONCAT('/home/vmail/', path) AS userdb_mail, 5000 AS userdb_uid, 5000 as userdb_gid FROM view_users WHERE email='%u';
[22:15:44] <eat_life> you are running irc off root?
[22:16:25] <tuxben> yes because on the other users the screen is white
[22:16:51] <tuxben> I can't log me in other user
[22:17:06] <eat_life> Signum: hey! nice tutorial by the way :)
[22:19:35] <eat_life> for etch the tutorial works fine, but i think there's probably 1 or 2 packages that are no longer required to install
[22:20:01] <eat_life> like, courier-authmysql
[22:21:15] <smesjz> eat_life: there is a new tutorial in progress at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/en.html
[22:21:30] <eat_life> ah ok
[22:22:26] <smesjz> main change is the use of Dovecot for imap/pop and no longer courier ;)
[22:23:10] <tuxben> I can't send any mail from benoit at mail dot debled.com (it's my server postfix) to an external mail
[22:23:46] <smesjz> what's the error?
[22:24:01] <mh_le> could anyone help with cyrus?
[22:24:03] <mh_le> I'm not able to log into the cyradm utility
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[22:27:09] <tuxben> evoltion say "Impossible to connect to www.debled.com: No access path to reach the target host"
[22:27:58] <tuxben> do you understand ?
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[22:29:21] <smesjz> yea, but isnt it firewall related or so? I can traceroute to 85.201.32.69
[22:29:39] <smesjz> but at hop 15 ICMP seems to be blocked
[22:32:38] <tuxben> what's the meaning of the words "at hop 15 ICMP"
[22:33:22] <tuxben> ???
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[22:37:22] <tuxben> are you always busy ???
[22:39:00] <tuxben> ???
[22:39:05] <Menkaure> icmp is the protokoll and hops are the count of routers the signal goes trough
[22:46:39] <tuxcrafter> Signum: http://wiki.dovecot.org/SSL/CertificateCreation
[22:46:47] <tuxcrafter> read the CN part
[22:51:17] <tuxben> some providers block the hop 25 for smtp.  When i use postfix, i use the hop 125.  I don't undersand why you speak about the hop 15 and the ICMP protokoll.
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[22:58:31] <Menkaure> can anyone help me a bit with a maildrop script. i have no knowledge about the syntax. i found some howtos and try to create a script from that. but the mails aren't delivered to the correct mailbox file and there is no reply. i just want a autoreply of every message going to a specific adress. the mails shall still saved like normal
[22:58:39] <Menkaure> http://www.pastebin.ca/512293
[22:58:43] <Menkaure> here it is
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[23:08:06] <Signum> tuxcrafter: No there I am. Birthday party's over :)
[23:08:11] <Signum> s/no/now/
[23:08:18] <tuxcrafter> Signum: ello
[23:08:29] <tuxcrafter> have been working on dovecot hole day
[23:08:39] <Signum> tuxcrafter: did it work?
[23:08:43] <tuxcrafter> got the dovecot LDM working
[23:08:47] <tuxcrafter> LDA
[23:08:51] <tuxcrafter> local delivery agent
[23:09:23] <mh_le> how do I test if postfix is connecting to cyrus properly?
[23:09:56] <tuxcrafter> so procmail can leave
[23:10:31] <Signum> tuxcrafter: that's good. I didn't yet read the documentation completely. Seems like the LDA is capable of some sieve-kindof filtering language.
[23:10:51] <tuxcrafter> and i got the SASL engine of dovecot i got working to
[23:11:07] <tuxcrafter> zo cyrus can leave to
[23:11:20] <tuxcrafter> now I busy with SSL keys
[23:11:30] <tuxcrafter> damm they are expansive
[23:11:42] <Signum> tuxcrafter: what's so special about SSL keys? didn't the openssl line work I suggested?
[23:11:51] <tuxcrafter> now
[23:11:54] <tuxcrafter> you forgot a lot
[23:12:16] <tuxcrafter> s/now/no/
[23:12:57] <Signum> tuxcrafter: it worked well here
[23:13:11] <mh_le> anyone?
[23:14:01] <tuxcrafter> mh_le: i cant help you don't have experience with Cyrus
[23:14:16] <mh_le> tuxcrafter: too bad :(
[23:14:32] <tuxcrafter> tuxcrafter: there is a TTL comment in the /var/log/mail.log
[23:14:51] <tuxcrafter> ignore that
[23:15:02] <tuxcrafter> that is from the client side not postfix
[23:15:08] <tuxcrafter> sorry
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[23:36:43] <tuxcrafter> Signum: does TB not use SSLv2
[23:37:47] <tuxcrafter> routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher
[23:39:28] <Signum> tuxcrafter: TB?
[23:39:35] <tuxcrafter> thunderbird
[23:39:40] <Signum> tuxcrafter: no idea.
[23:39:59] <tuxcrafter> i will get my security level down :-P
[23:40:36] <tuxcrafter> ssl_cipher_list = SSLv2:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+EXP
[23:40:36] <tuxcrafter> that is what I was using got it from the apache website
[23:45:06] <tuxcrafter> Signum: got it working now
[23:45:14] <tuxcrafter> one more thing to check
[23:45:26] <tuxcrafter> smtpd
[23:45:31] <tuxcrafter> and SSL
[23:49:56] <tuxcrafter> http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html
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