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[00:11:20] <Klemp> xpoint, are you there ?
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[00:12:07] <xpoint> nope
[00:12:29] <xpoint> only i if i have to :-)
[00:12:32] <Klemp> ::)
[00:12:45] <Klemp> xpoint, you know, i set an email server...
[00:12:51] <Klemp> i can send an email..
[00:13:00] <Klemp> but i cant get an email
[00:13:01] <Klemp> lol
[00:13:17] <Klemp> i sent an email to my gf :P
[00:13:18] <xpoint> yes have no friends then
[00:13:23] <Klemp> thats ok
[00:13:47] <xpoint> no reply ?
[00:14:02] <Klemp> yeah, but she said that she replied it
[00:14:05] <Klemp> :P
[00:14:24] <xpoint> no mail is back ?
[00:14:34] <xpoint> from both sides :-)
[00:14:39] <Klemp> yeah
[00:14:40] <Klemp> :D
[00:14:50] <xpoint> so its delivered ?
[00:15:21] <xpoint> so its an error, we delivered and email ?
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[00:16:40] <Klemp> xpoint, do i have to set an software for pop3 ?
[00:16:59] <Klemp> smtp is ok
[00:17:03] <Klemp> but pop3 sucks :P
[00:17:06] <xpoint> only if i have to, sorry if you have to :-)
[00:17:34] <xpoint> mutt works fine without pop3
[00:18:18] <xpoint> either use imap/pop3
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[00:18:43] <xpoint> or filedir direct to mailbox
[00:18:59] <xpoint> mutt can do it all
[00:19:17] <Klemp> ok.
[00:19:42] <Klemp> mutt provide postfix and dovecot ?
[00:19:53] <xpoint> nope
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[00:20:12] <Klemp> mutt provides only pop
[00:20:19] <xpoint> nope
[00:20:22] <Klemp> hehe
[00:20:35] <Klemp> so ?
[00:20:47] <xpoint> postfix is a mta
[00:20:53] <jaldhar> what does "mail transport unavailable" mean in mail.log.  I had amavis but I took it out of the equation and I don't have any uncommented mentions of it in master.cf and main.cf
[00:20:58] <rob0> mutt eliminates the need for POP/IMAP. But, it's hard to configure. You won't do well without RTFM in mutt.
[00:21:07] <xpoint> dovecut is a lda/pop3/imap server
[00:21:08] <jaldhar> that's the only change I made recently
[00:21:59] <nemo_home> I should try mutt - but after 10+y of using pine, hard to change
[00:22:02] <xpoint> i will here not agre with rob0 :-)
[00:22:18] <Klemp> xpoint,  lets start from the beginning...  in your opinion, why couldnt i get an email ?
[00:22:24] <Klemp> all configurations are ok :S
[00:22:50] <xpoint> Klemp, logs say why its working
[00:23:21] <Klemp> xpoint,  wanna see my logs ? i am going to paste it to rafb.net
[00:23:23] <Klemp> :P
[00:23:53] <xpoint> Klemp, okay with your gf :-)
[00:23:58] <Klemp> lol
[00:24:33] <xpoint> Klemp, you can take that fight later
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[00:30:38] <xpoint> mutt can be simple, it can on the other hand olso be advanced
[00:31:29] <xpoint> both needs a bit of understanding what mutt does to be usefull
[00:32:07] <Klemp> where is the configuration of smtp and pop3 server ?
[00:32:25] <Klemp> i mean , smtp.mydomain.com and pop3.mydomain.com
[00:32:26] <xpoint> Klemp, client or server ?
[00:32:32] <Klemp> client
[00:32:35] <Klemp> and server
[00:32:38] <Klemp> both..
[00:33:04] <Klemp> i guess, the problem begins here..
[00:33:11] <xpoint> to many questions
[00:33:54] <Klemp> :P
[00:34:24] <Klemp> so no answer ?
[00:34:25] <Klemp> :P
[00:34:31] <xpoint> for the server part, read dovecut README :-)
[00:35:02] <xpoint> for the client part, man mutt
[00:37:44] <Klemp> ok thnx :D
[00:38:22] <xpoint> both is not postfix problems anyway
[00:39:27] <jaldhar> anyone have clues about this "mail transport unavailable" business?
[00:40:02] <jaldhar> how can you tell which mail transport it is looking for?
[00:40:23] <xpoint> unavailble business ?
[00:41:19] <xpoint> is it logs errors ?
[00:42:43] <jaldhar> xpoint: I mentioned it earlier but no one responded.  I had postfix set up with amavis but then I removed amavis.  But now after I have restarted postfix I still get log messages about "mail transport unavailable"
[00:43:08] <xpoint> ah
[00:43:13] <xpoint> okay
[00:43:29] <jaldhar> xpoint: all mentions of amavis in master.cf and main.cf have been commented out and postfix was restarted not reloaded
[00:43:52] <xpoint> this is becurse the queue still belive mails should go through amavis
[00:44:13] <xpoint> new mails should be fine
[00:44:36] <jaldhar> xpoint:I see. Shouldn't a flush reset things though?
[00:45:07] <xpoint> i have forgot how to flush mails out that previously should have gone to contentfilter
[00:45:32] <xpoint> nope
[00:45:49] <jaldhar> xpoint: oh ok. Googling has been fruitless so far but I'll keep trying
[00:45:52] <xpoint> postsuper -r ALL
[00:45:56] <xpoint> postfix reload
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[00:49:39] <jaldhar> xpoint: thanks this seems to be working
[00:49:50] <xpoint> gr8
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[00:51:50] <jaldhar> thanks.  I need to fix amavis somehow.  Problem is my server is a xen instance and the main filesystem is on NFS which amavis's berkeley db's do not like at all
[00:51:55] <jaldhar> even with lockd
[00:52:29] <xpoint> ah yes, this is tiresome to make work
[00:52:44] <jaldhar> but atleast now postfix isn't dying
[00:52:53] <xpoint> but nice when it works
[00:53:30] <xpoint> postfix newer dies, it all software hardware around it that dies first :-)
[00:54:00] <jaldhar> I do have some space on a local disk. But I still haven't discovered how to make amavisd put its db there
[00:54:21] <jaldhar> xpoint: ha ha s/dies/wanders off into space/ I should say
[00:54:52] <xpoint> what db ?
[00:56:05] <xpoint> if amavisd running as unix user then it hopefully have a homedir
[00:56:35] <xpoint> but you want the db outside the homedir ?
[00:56:45] <jaldhar> xpoint: on debian it is /var/lib/amavis.  I want to move /var/lib/amavis/db and then I should be ok
[00:57:42] <xpoint> have you $tempbase as /var/lib/amavis in amavisd.conf ?
[00:58:12] <jaldhar> xpoint: no.  I guess that is compiled in or something?
[00:58:19] <xpoint> then db should be $tempbase/db
[00:58:42] <xpoint> nope its config in amavisd
[00:58:58] <xpoint> but defaults might be what you see
[00:59:08] <jaldhar> which is the conf variable to change it?  I only see options to turn it on and off
[00:59:29] <xpoint> debian :(
[01:00:08] <Klemp> xpoint,  .fetchmailrc .procmailrc .muttrc files where will they be ?
[01:00:23] <Klemp> /home/user ?
[01:01:07] <xpoint> $db_home="$MYHOME/db";
[01:01:42] <jaldhar> xpoint: great I'll try that once all my queud up mail gets delivered
[01:01:50] <xpoint> $MYHOME="/var/lib/amavis";
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[01:03:52] <xpoint> $MYHOME is here in tmpfs, for speed reasons :-)
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[01:15:47] <Godsey> amavisd-new is giving me a raging headache :)
[01:16:03] <Godsey> I can't seem to get it to honor mynets and allow my ip to connect
[01:16:19] <rob0> Godsey needs Extra-Strength Amavisd-new
[01:17:54] <Godsey> is there a secret to making it work? :)
[01:18:07] <Godsey> (!)DENIED ACCESS from IP 64.128.176.6, policy bank ''
[01:18:14] <Godsey> in syslog
[01:18:28] <Godsey> 64.128.176.0/24 is in @mynetworks
[01:19:17] <rob0> Seems strange that you're not connecting from localhost. That's the only way I ever set it up.
[01:19:43] <Godsey> the system doesn't have a localhost :)
[01:20:31] <xpoint> Godsey, no localhost, then you are on you own
[01:20:39] <rob0> Godsey: now *I* am getting your headache! :) Why no localhost??
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[01:20:49] <Godsey> there is no localhost under freebsd jails
[01:21:16] <xpoint> Godsey, are you sure ?
[01:21:41] <Godsey> yes
[01:21:51] <rob0> ah
[01:21:56] <Godsey> some apps can't even bind to 0.0.0.0
[01:22:33] <xpoint> freebsd power to serve
[01:22:38] <rob0> Perhaps you'd find some useful suggestions from fellow FreeBSD inmates?
[01:22:53] <Godsey> I'm waiting for the amavis chan to wake up :)
[01:26:12] <mirlyn> hey all...I've created a transport for an autoreply which is working, but doesn't deliver the message to the mailbox after a reply is sent...how can I do that?
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[01:34:40] <Godsey> @inet_acl   = qw( 127.0.0.1 [::1] 64.128.176.0/24
[01:34:43] <Godsey> that's the ticket
[01:34:54] <Godsey> I had @mynetworks confused w/ @inet_acl
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[01:41:06] <kb1ikn> anyone know of any rbl sites that will scan entire netblocks?
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[02:22:27] <Godsey> now that I have all my amavis issues sorted, is there a magic pill I must take to email hotmail? :)
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[04:01:12] <hparker> Godsey: postmaster.msn.com might help.. Might not... hotmail is a pita, likes to drop mail for no apparent reason
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[04:03:38] <mod_cure> when emails come in, the emails are placed in the holding queue then mailscanner scans them etc.  is there a way to tell postfix if emails are being sent out form within the shell(the server) to place them in the active queue ?
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[04:14:26] <mod_cure> trying to bypass headers checks for internal use
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[04:32:48] <Haris> Hello folks!
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[04:36:40] <Haris> I have a client that wants to store all emails into mysql db. This is a large scale project. Can this happen with postfix? Delivery will be completely in the database not to a local file. They want to store mail in seperate columns. Is this possible with postfix?
[04:37:02] <Dominian> I'm sure it is, but I don't recommend that..
[04:37:11] <Dominian> not unless you have a dedicated mysql box
[04:38:20] <hparker> There is dbmail
[04:38:20] <Haris> Dominian: The client has a large scale free email service in mind. I'm sure they want or have more than one mysql box
[04:38:22] <Haris> for it
[04:38:39] <hparker> But, I'd never do that
[04:38:44] <Dominian> I still wouldn't recommend it hehe
[04:39:08] <hparker> Especially not in mysql :P
[04:39:34] <Dominian> Haris: that's a very bad idea.. for one.. with all the writing to the database that will happen.. this will cause the databases to grow quite large..
[04:39:44] <Haris> I don't know what he/she's thinking, but I want to confirm if its possible with postfix. Since all smtp servers just drop the mail somewhere, so I'm mostly sure they can 'drop' the mail into a db as well
[04:39:48] <Dominian> If anything EVER happens.. and a client wants email back that was "lost" it could take you quite a while to recover it
[04:40:11] <Dominian> Haris: WEll, as the consultant, it is your job to talk them out of something stupid ;)
[04:40:26] <Haris> Dominian: could, would, will, I know.
[04:40:38] <Dominian> If you know.. then why did you even come in to ask :)
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[04:42:19] <Haris> http://www.scriptlance.com/projects/1179788373.shtml
[04:42:19] <Haris> Dominian: Assurity <-
[04:42:22] <Haris> so I'm not making assumptions
[04:43:11] * Dominian shrugs
[04:43:28] <Dominian> If you took the bid before you knew.. then your fate is what you make.
[04:44:04] <Haris> I haven't bid yet
[04:44:16] <Dominian> said the bid was closed
[04:48:12] <Haris> That's a relief!
[04:49:29] <Dominian> Problem is with a setup they are wanting.. whoever asked for that bid.. really didn't think anything through.
[04:50:54] <hparker> "SQL is great to store things, let's put *everything* in SQL!"
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[04:53:14] <Dominian> heh
[04:53:27] <Dominian> That's what MS thought and look where its gotten a lot of their applications.
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[04:53:49] <Haris> ?
[04:53:50] <Haris> What did I miss
[05:00:26] <Haris> Thankyou! people
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[05:08:13] <TMH_> Hi. I'm trying to send an e-mail through postfix from a remote machine using dovecot sasl to authenticate
[05:09:08] <TMH_> however, it keeps throwing up this error: May 22 04:05:14 vps postfix/smtpd[5791]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from xxxx.COM[83.100.xxx.xxx]: 554 5.7.1 <xxxxxxxxxx at gmail dot com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from=<steve at steve dot ac> to=<xxxxxxxxx at gmail dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[10.44.0.4]>
[05:10:00] <TMH_> i'm honestly not sure what to do here. I have steve.ac in the mydestination variable in main.cf
[05:21:02] <hax_> TMH_: i'm new at this myself, but i'm almost positive that mydestination is only for terminating mail
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[05:21:23] <hax_> TMH_: if you want to send from steve.ac to gmail, then you need steve.ac in the relay list... i think
[05:21:34] <hax_> someone's probably going to correct me in a second, which should work equally as well for you as me being right though
[05:21:37] <hax_> heh
[05:22:02] <TMH_> relay_domains = $mydestination
[05:22:29] <TMH_> would that be what you mean?
[05:22:44] <TMH_> if so, steve.ac should already be in that list of relay domains
[05:23:27] <magyar> hi, how would a cidr map look like in a file?
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[05:50:00] <astronut> what's mailman_destination_recipient_limit do?
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[06:15:20] <f3ew> set a limit for the mailman transport
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[06:17:10] <astronut> what kind of limit?
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[06:18:52] <f3ew> number of recipients sent to the mailman transport
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[06:19:18] <astronut> hmm
[06:19:33] <astronut> i have it, but i'm still getting illegal invocation
[06:21:37] <astronut> wait
[06:21:38] <astronut> spelling
[06:21:39] <astronut> DOH
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[07:04:17] <LordVorp> so I updated some packages in gentoo, and now suddenly my postfix+maildrop+ldap is saying, User unknown in local recipient table
[07:04:24] <LordVorp> what files or settings should I look at?
[07:04:29] <LordVorp> *something* got disconnected...
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[07:10:53] <LordVorp> nothing?
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[07:12:27] <bts3685> i was wondering if anyone had some good resources for a postfix beginner besides the on-site documentation and in-system documentation?
[07:15:07] <LordVorp> where should I look to straighten this out: [postfix/qmgr] 03C154299C: to=<elainemcfarland at bach dot aigc.net>, relay=none, delay=4471, status=deferred (unknown mail transport error)
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[07:26:34] <f3ew> LordVorp, transport_maps? DNS? master.cf?
[07:26:41] <f3ew> bts3685 there is the postfix book
[07:26:54] <f3ew> LordVorp, main.cf, local_recipient_maps
[07:27:09] <bts3685> f3ew: any more info? title?
[07:27:29] <f3ew> The book of Postfix, by Ralf Hildebrandt
[07:27:36] <f3ew> Postfix, Kyle Dent, O'Reilly
[07:27:40] <f3ew> !book
[07:27:41] <bts3685> :X gotcha. thanks
[07:27:41] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "book" is not a valid command.
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[07:32:01] <LordVorp> ok, better question
[07:32:03] <LordVorp> transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf
[07:32:22] <LordVorp> the data is there, the username comes back, the user is in the ldap system
[07:32:44] <LordVorp> checking local_recip*
[07:32:47] <f3ew> but is your system configured to refer to that ldap table?
[07:33:11] <f3ew> local_recipient_maps should return a list of all users
[07:33:14] <LordVorp> the system is a whole
[07:33:27] <LordVorp> how would I check if it does?
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[07:33:33] <LordVorp> the system as a whole understands ldap
[07:34:08] <LordVorp> for example: id <ldap user>   returns data
[07:34:24] <LordVorp> this was actually all working fine earlier this afternoon
[07:34:24] <LordVorp> grr
[07:34:37] <LordVorp> then I updated something.  i'm guessing maildrop.
[07:34:41] <LordVorp> err I mean
[07:34:49] <LordVorp> of the things i updated i'm guessing maildrop is the culprit
[07:35:04] <LordVorp> but I really don't yet have enough info to make that a solid guess
[07:35:42] <LordVorp> whoa
[07:36:01] <LordVorp> if master.cf refers to /usr/local/bin/maildrop and my system has a /usr/bin/maildrop... is that bad?
[07:36:22] <LordVorp> oh heh nm
[07:36:38] <LordVorp> /usr/local/bin/maildrop is a symlink to /usr/bin/maildrop
[07:41:21] <eat_life> i've been wondering, how do i send marked spam messages to a .Spam folder?
[07:41:31] <eat_life> instead of just deleting them
[07:41:55] <eat_life> for instance spamassassin marks the hit at 7-12 then forward to spam folder for user
[07:42:01] <eat_life> above 12, then delete it completely
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[07:48:12] <LordVorp> whoa
[07:48:20] <LordVorp> [postfix/master] warning: /usr/lib/postfix/local: bad command startup -- throttling
[07:48:22] <LordVorp> oops
[07:51:01] <LordVorp> deferred (temporary fa
[07:51:01] <LordVorp> ilure. Command output: maildrop: Timeout quota exceeded.
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[07:52:43] <bob_sinclair> im getting the following when a message sent the server is for an alias: <user at foo dot bar.com> (expanded from <user2 at bar dot com>): [www.bar.com.bar.com]: Name or service not known
[07:53:08] <bob_sinclair> ie. don't know why its trying to do www.bar.com.bar.com instead of just bar.com
[07:55:03] <f3ew> is that your browser or DNS server?
[07:55:18] <bob_sinclair> what do you mean f3ew
[07:56:52] <f3ew> looks like either a broken DNS server or a browser interwfering
[07:56:55] <f3ew> interfering
[07:57:04] <bob_sinclair> what type of a browser?
[07:57:25] <f3ew> dunno, it's the www which makes me think it may be a browser fuckup
[07:57:31] <many> bob: you shouldnt use examples, they obfuscate too much
[07:57:40] <many> (in this case)
[07:57:53] <bob_sinclair> many: sorry
[07:57:58] <bob_sinclair> no browser was involved
[07:58:11] <bob_sinclair> www is dns anyway, not a browser thing
[07:58:35] <bob_sinclair> how does postfix use dns, so i can work out where the problem lies?
[07:58:42] <many> generally this kind of error occurs when something like this happens
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[07:59:23] <bob_sinclair> what should i be checking in postfix configuration that relates to dns?
[07:59:47] <many> mh
[07:59:53] <bob_sinclair> mh?
[07:59:58] <many> no, this is no searchdomain/wildcard error
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[08:00:03] <f3ew> bob_sinclair, Postfix uses MX and A records
[08:00:05] <many> most likely its a transport error
[08:00:24] <bob_sinclair> ok so like yeah what can i check?
[08:00:45] <many> bob_sinclair: first, check what f3ew said
[08:00:47] <many> host -t MX bar.com
[08:01:01] <many> (the domain for user2, the one youre delivering *to*)
[08:01:06] <bob_sinclair> i think i see the problem
[08:01:22] <many> bob_sinclair: secondly, if it is what i think now
[08:01:30] <many> yo simply forgot a dot in the zonefile
[08:01:32] <many> you
[08:01:43] <bob_sinclair> this crap admin has changed the dns server on this box to the local windows server which is misonfigured
[08:01:55] <many> oh
[08:02:02] <many> ohwell :D
[08:02:55] <bob_sinclair> sorry that its a real error
[08:03:00] <bob_sinclair> i can't believe this dude did this
[08:03:09] <f3ew> heh
[08:03:11] <f3ew> See?
[08:06:10] <many> mh. seems the night had  agood spamwave.
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[08:46:35] <sn00p-> does anybody use postfix + dovecot + mysql?
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[08:52:10] <LordVorp> this afternoon, my postfix was working great.  now, local is dying with SIGABRT
[08:52:10] <LordVorp> !
[08:52:19] <f3ew> oops
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[08:58:35] <LordVorp> right after deliver_mailbox ...
[09:01:30] <bob_sinclair> hmmm i get this mail for mail.mydomain.com loops back to myself
[09:01:51] <f3ew> !loopback
[09:01:52] <knoba> f3ew: 'loopback' : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[09:03:28] <bob_sinclair> yep thought so thanks very much
[09:03:51] <bob_sinclair> i should is a virtual alias i assume
[09:04:09] <bob_sinclair> mydomain is mydomain.com and not mail.mydomain.com
[09:07:00] <bob_sinclair> i can just add to mydestionation = in main.cf and then restart postfix and it should be ok?
[09:07:12] <f3ew> yes
[09:07:17] <bob_sinclair> well wicked
[09:07:19] <bob_sinclair> thanks f3ew
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[09:10:27] <bob_sinclair> hmm i did that and restarted, but no luck
[09:11:12] <bob_sinclair> its not coming in postconf
[09:13:50] <sn00p-> does anybody use postfix + dovecot + mysql?
[09:14:36] <f3ew> bob_sinclair, is mydestination defined twice?
[09:15:54] <bob_sinclair> yeah it was
[09:15:57] <bob_sinclair> that was the problem
[09:25:32] <olinux> sn00p- ya
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[09:31:54] <sn00p-> clinux are you there?
[09:32:07] <sn00p-> olinux: ?
[09:35:58] <bob_sinclair> thanks for the help guys
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[09:36:45] <sn00p-> if anybody has dovecot + mysql + postfix fully working please msg me I need help
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[09:54:35] <LordVorp> what should I check on to figure out why postfix/local is crashing at or right after mailbox_deliver?
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[10:11:18] <Jax> hey guys, having a SPF problem
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[10:13:19] <sep> Jax, with that much detail of your error the most i can offer is sympathy.
[10:13:47] <Jax> sorry, wait
[10:13:54] <Jax> got caught up with a phone call
[10:14:17] <Jax> ok my postfix is running on say ip XX.XX.XX.162
[10:14:27] <Jax> i run other IPs on that server too... like XX.XX.XX.160
[10:15:21] <Jax> now a client of mine, sent an email, and the receiving mail server gave me "gmc-mxi-bsd-004 received a message from ns0.mydomain.com (XX.XX.XX.160) that claimed an envelope sender address of mail.mydomain.com"
[10:15:52] <Jax> "However, the domain mail.mydomain.com has declared using SPF that it does not send mail through ns0.mydomain.com (XX.XX.XX.160). That is why the message was rejected"
[10:16:09] <sep> so add that ip to the spf record
[10:16:30] <Jax> my current SPF record is TXT "v=spf1 mx"
[10:16:42] <Jax> i never quite understood what it should be
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[10:19:25] <robert83a1> forgive me , my internet got terminated
[10:19:52] <robert83a1> so is that possible ? bigbrother recieving bcc from user1 user2 user3 , all specified in one line ?
[10:20:08] <robert83a1> or I need to go line by line
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[10:22:18] <f3ew> line by line
[10:22:41] <robert83a1> f3ew : thank you for clearing that up
[10:23:08] <Jax> f3ew give me a hand mate
[10:23:19] <Jax> how would i make my SPF record so it will accept XX.XX.XX.160-162 ?
[10:23:28] <Jax> don't think there's a CIDR notation for that block :D
[10:23:40] <robert83a1> f3ew : I'm using jamm to manage my virtual domain users, is it possible to have a alias named administrative_alerts at domain dot com and the destination be @domain.com , I tried but not working, I would like to have a mail address that I could use to send mail to and everyone would recieve
[10:23:45] <robert83a1> in the domain specified
[10:23:46] <f3ew> Jax each IP individually?
[10:23:54] <Jax> can't find the syntax
[10:23:59] <f3ew> robert83a1, no
[10:24:11] <f3ew> the right hand side needs to explicitly list all addresses
[10:24:22] <Jax> or can i do: v=spf1 ip4:192.168.0.1 ip4:192.168.0.2 -all ?
[10:25:00] <robert83a1> f3ew : oh ok
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[10:28:57] <robert83a1> if there is a recipient_bcc_maps, there is a sender_bcc_maps ? same syntax too ? I mean first specify user1@domain   bigbrother@domain who gets copy of sent mail
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[10:32:52] <bob_sinclair> i must say that after configure sendmail, qmail and postfix, posfix seems to be the nicest and most logical
[10:33:04] <bob_sinclair> configure=configuring
[10:34:20] <bob_sinclair> and yeah better documentation and support it seems
[10:36:09] <robert83a1> sorry I'm non english but sender_bcc_maps does the following clients user1 sends mail to anywhere , and a bcc ends up at bigbrother , correct?
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[10:40:19] <Jax> f3ew will this work? v=spf1 ipv4:XX.XX.XX.160/30 mx -all
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[10:41:50] <SeJo> hey all
[10:42:07] <SeJo> if a message couldn't be delivered, it goes to the deferred queue, how long before it retries?
[10:42:56] <f3ew> between 1000 and 400 seconds by default
[10:43:01] <f3ew> Jax I don't use SPF
[10:43:50] <SeJo> f3ew: can i find the exact time (as in setting somewhere?)
[10:44:03] <f3ew> SeJo, it's a random interval
[10:44:15] <SeJo> ok
[10:44:40] <SeJo> thanks f3ew
[10:45:10] <sep> Jax, this is what the spf wizard on openspf.org is for
[10:47:42] <SeJo> if it tried to got to mail1.fqdn.com but mail1 is down will it try to go to mail2.fqdn.com and if so after how many retries?
[10:51:02] <Jax> sep / f3ew weird thing is, that they said "we received a mail from .160" eventhough no postfix is running on .160
[10:51:52] <sep> Jax, the smtp delivery process is probably binding to 0.0.0.0 and used whatever ip it faniced at the time
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[10:53:05] <SeJo> in my transport i have fqdn.com :[123.123.123.1] can add another ip also (:[123.123.123.1,123.123.123.2])???
[10:53:23] <many> sorry?
[10:53:40] <SeJo> /etc/postfix/transport contains the line fqdn.com :[123.123.123.1]
[10:53:43] <Jax> sep not according to netstat -an | grep :25
[10:53:56] <SeJo> but i want to ad a second smtp for that domain
[10:54:13] <SeJo> can't seem to find it in the manual page
[10:54:41] <sep> Jax, hello smtp delivery process and not smtpd process
[10:55:55] <Jax> can i control this somehow?
[10:58:31] <LordVorp> OK I got rid of my SIGABRT crashing of postfix/local.  That's good
[10:58:39] <LordVorp> now I'm back to the problem I had in the ifrst place:
[10:59:24] <Roobarb-Work> SeJo: this problem is why MX records exist
[10:59:34] <LordVorp> all is good and transport routes good and aliases map good and then postfix/local fails ldap lookup and bounces with "unknown user"
[11:00:06] <LordVorp> but I think I'm gonna up the logging level on my slapd to see when/if the right questoin is being asked
[11:00:44] <SeJo> Roobarb-Work: can't be the machine that forwards is the primairy MX for the domain
[11:00:52] <SeJo> Roobarb-Work: thus would result to looping
[11:01:33] <sep> Jax, perhaps in the master.cf file
[11:01:34] <Roobarb-Work> SeJo: then you are out of luck
[11:01:40] <SeJo> Roobarb-Work: not possible?
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[11:07:24] <Turt|e> is there a way to see wich timeouts are reached ? to get an idea where to increase or decreace timeouts ?
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[11:36:15] <rhalff> how do I configure spamassasin to filter dirty words ?
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[11:41:03] <LordVorp> omg
[11:41:04] <LordVorp> heh
[11:41:19] <LordVorp> my problem?  I set /etc/ldap.conf 600 earlier today
[11:41:30] <LordVorp> locked out the postfix/local
[11:41:31] <LordVorp> grr
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[11:55:20] <LordVorp> now my queue is filling up with stuff it can't send: (connect to 127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1]: read timeout)
[11:56:15] <f3ew> that looks like a content_filter issue
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[12:10:57] <ninan_> hi, my mailscanner ran amok and stored every incoming mail into quarantaine. is there a simple short way to send all these mails again with postfix?
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[12:18:43] <rhalff> hm, how can I have a higher score for this: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BEST_PORN,
[12:18:43] <rhalff>         FREE_PORN,MISSING_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=failed version=3.0.3
[12:23:32] <Signum> rhalff: see "man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf"
[12:24:36] <rhalff> Signum: ah thanks, odd that the default value is so low
[12:25:14] <Signum> rhalff: seems to have had false positives. usually the scored from spamassassin are computed automatically. but I agree that this setting looks suspicious
[12:25:53] <Turt|e> how low would it be fair to set the smtp_helo_timeout when reciving mails ? would 10sec get me alot of timeouts ?
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[12:26:12] <rhalff> Signum: it's just a default debian install of spamassassin
[12:26:30] <LordVorp> nope... amavisd was hiccuped.  I restarted it and the queue emptied.
[12:26:47] <Signum> rhalff: debian doesn't change the default scores :)
[12:27:02] <rhalff> Signum: and default is very low ?
[12:27:03] <LordVorp> thx for all the help
[12:27:08] <Signum> rhalff: apparently
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[12:27:23] <rhalff> Signum: you know if there is a sane config available somewhere ?
[12:27:29] <Signum> rhalff: see the spamassassin FAQ. there is an entry about how scores are calculated.
[12:27:35] <Signum> rhalff: that is the sane config.
[12:27:52] <Signum> rhalff: better teach the bayes database about ham and spam. that will do much better than "tuning" the scores
[12:28:05] <rhalff> Signum: ah ok thanks
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[12:38:32] <stellina> hi ppl
[12:39:17] <stellina> I have a postfix with ldap. I get a lot of "Recipient address rejected:unverified address: Address verification in progress"  for mail account that exist locally
[12:40:23] <stellina> any ideas how can I solve this problem?
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[13:15:52] <scx> !cyrus
[13:15:53] <knoba> scx: Error: "cyrus" is not a valid command.
[13:16:40] <scx> !bot
[13:16:41] <knoba> scx: 'bot' : The bot 'knoba' resides here to learn and tell about factoids. See http://workaround.org/f=postfix for the list of currently supported factoids.
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[13:29:28] <xpoint> !
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[14:06:18] <theblackbox> hello all, getting some errors on my postfix admin, seems like it's not building the mysql query properly, accessing the DB as 'mysql'@'localhost' with no password, anyone know why it wouldn't use the values set up in config.inc.php?
[14:07:18] <theblackbox> the config.inc.php is owned by root:apache2, should that be root:postfix?
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[14:09:00] <sep> theblackbox, it's the apache server that would need to read the config.
[14:09:13] <theblackbox> hmm, thought that wasn't it
[14:09:52] <theblackbox> http://pastebin.ca/502187 is the apache error log
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[14:10:52] <sep> and the values in your config dont match that ?
[14:13:37] <theblackbox> nope, the cinfig specifies a user and a password
[14:13:42] <theblackbox> *config
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[14:21:33] <theblackbox> hmm, just looking through the how-to I followed I realise I missed a step "Include /etc/apache/mod_php.conf"
[14:22:28] <theblackbox> I couldn't find the file anywhere on my system, I'm using php 5.2.1 and a quick check with the package manager shows the file mod_php.conf.example is in the 5.2.2 package
[14:22:55] <theblackbox> you reakon an upgrade would be advisable?
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[14:41:32] <dzosh> hi guys. please, is there any way how to remove DSN from every email coming thru my server??
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[14:53:41] <Nesquick> anyone could give me a good tutorial to install postfix with virtual domains support on debian etch?
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[15:09:52] <dzosh> Nesquick: i think there are a lot of tutorials how to do it.. try to use google and search postfix virtual domain tutorial. mayb it helps
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[15:18:46] <theblackbox> hmmm, I've ruled out the poss that I''m suffering from a lack of php_mod.conf ... but now can't think what it could be
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[15:20:43] <theblackbox> http://pastebin.ca/502187
[15:21:20] <theblackbox> if anyone could offer some guidance I'd be gratefull, as I'm trumped and a clean install of my setup is all I'm thinking at the moment :(
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[15:50:12] <theblackbox> link expire: http://pastebin.ca/502295
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[16:15:03] <Turt|e> hi, i run a milter in postfix and i can see that the milter is processing 6-11 clients all the time, however i an warning in the log that tells that the process limit of 45 is reached. I see alot of timeouts so i lowered the helo timeout to 15 sec but this doent really helps. What would be the best place to start looking, i dont really have any ideas
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[16:20:49] <UQlev> Turt|e: it depends on how big is your server
[16:21:16] <UQlev> Turt|e: do you have any sort of source IP check?
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[16:26:44] <Turt|e> well its a core duo 2 2.4 GHz .. with 2GB ram
[16:27:14] <Turt|e> i cant really raise the number of processed .. since the milter will explode in peaks then
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[16:27:27] <Turt|e> and no i dont check the source
[16:27:29] <UQlev> how many account I mean?
[16:28:02] <Turt|e> well we scan aprox 100k msgs a day now .. but i will be much more when this i fixed
[16:28:10] <Turt|e> its a scanner gateway
[16:28:56] <UQlev> Turt|e: you should avoid scan all crap. Most of spam to be rejected by their Ip examination
[16:29:41] <Turt|e> we cant use rbl since some of the users recive mail from rbled hosts
[16:30:56] <Turt|e> but anyway we benchmarkede the server and the lan sith smtp-souce and i handlede 900k msgs with full scan so even if we shouldnt do it i dont think this is the problem
[16:31:09] <Turt|e> well ... the load isnt ...
[16:31:15] <UQlev> Turt|e: with rbl you may use your own white-lists
[16:33:02] <Turt|e> well, we cant use any blocks on ips, new customors and rbled ips should get their mail throu ...
[16:33:13] <Turt|e> on rbled ips even
[16:33:20] <UQlev> Turt|e: some sort of messges may be like "bomb" for content-scanners
[16:34:05] <UQlev> Turt|e: how many new customers a day or a week do you expect?
[16:35:09] <Turt|e> well we scan 400 companies atm .. and that increses all the time
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[16:36:05] <Turt|e> i know 400 companies and 100k msgs a day isnt that much, but i dont knwo how many new customers a day ..
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[16:37:42] <UQlev> Turt|e: to receive 100K a day it is not a big deal for server, but to scan it is a big load
[16:39:17] <UQlev> Turt|e: another option is to use greylisting
[16:39:20] <Turt|e> well the top never hits 0% idle and is above 50% most of the time, and we did and smtp-source were we got 900k msgs throu, and that was with the content scanning, i know that this inst a real life benchmark
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[16:41:17] <Turt|e> well we cant use greylisting either ... but like i said this isnt about the load, the load on the server is fine, and the milter never recives more than 10 mails, so what are the last 35 mails doing ?? where are they sitting and what timeout are they hitting ?
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[16:44:19] <UQlev> Turt|e: did you say it? "however i an warning in the log that tells that the process limit of 45 is reached."
[16:44:33] <Turt|e> like now the laod says 0.23 and both cpus are 100% idle but when i telnet to it isnt replying
[16:45:26] <UQlev> Turt|e: most of delays a due to DNS issues
[16:45:50] <Turt|e> UQlev: well i meant in a previos tell ... im noy trying to be rude .. sorry
[16:46:11] <Turt|e> UQlev: yeah i looked into that too, and i have an local caching dns server on the server
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[16:48:25] <UQlev> Turt|e: what DNS-cache do you use?
[16:49:14] <Turt|e> UQlev: the only thing happening now is that the server is 100% idle and the logs fills up with connect from timeout after connect  and disconnect from
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[16:49:21] <Turt|e> UQlev: bind
[16:50:50] <Turt|e> UQlev: bind 9.3.4
[16:51:01] <UQlev> Turt|e: regret, I have no ideas what to do if rbl and greylistings are not applicable
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[16:52:24] <Turt|e> UQlev: *cry* =) well thanks anyway, but you dont know if i can check what timeout are reached ? or get som statistics from postfix somehow
[16:52:28] <UQlev> Turt|e: I receive only about 100-150 legit messages a day and use white-listing IP
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[16:53:15] <UQlev> Turt|e: your problem is not postfix-specific
[16:54:24] <mofino> Is it possible to configure postfix to send message to a proxy filter for only specific IP addresses?
[16:54:30] <Turt|e> UQlev: im almost certain of that
[16:55:12] <Turt|e> UQlev: why would the process limit be reached when the milter isnt doing anything ?
[16:56:52] <UQlev> Turt|e: I have no ideas but from my logs I see how sometimes bad-guys trying to launch 15-20 simultaneous processes against my server.
[16:57:51] <UQlev> Turt|e: thanks obsd, spamd can play with 200-250 easily ;)
[16:58:32] <Turt|e> hehe yeah i would like that solution too ...
[16:58:54] <Turt|e> but our customers wouldnt like it, they want everything scanned
[16:59:05] <mofino> UQlev, your spamd runs 200 concurrently?
[16:59:41] <Turt|e> UQlev: isnt there and setting to only allow an ip to lunch one connection to the server ??
[16:59:42] <UQlev> mofino: spamd of openbsd is not scanner ;) it is smtp-honey-pot
[16:59:49] <mofino> OH
[16:59:50] <mofino> haha
[17:00:11] <mofino> I was going to say, what kind of beast server did you have?
[17:00:12] <mofino> heh
[17:00:20] <mofino> 200 spamassassins is LARGE
[17:00:22] <Turt|e> UQlev: i fell like im connection to it when i telnet to my server .. =/
[17:00:39] <UQlev> Turt|e: PF can limit simultaneous connections from 1 src
[17:01:08] <Turt|e> mofino: hehe quad cpu quad core
[17:01:15] <mofino> Turt|e, exactly
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[17:01:36] <Turt|e> UQlev: aaah my belovede PF, well i didnt really think of that
[17:02:11] <UQlev> Turt|e: that is why I asked about accounts number. Methods of protection are not universal actually
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[17:02:59] <natsumey> i need a suggestion here, is there any best way to migrate qmail to postfix
[17:03:18] <Turt|e> UQlev: but wouldnt you agree on that i sound like the clients just hug the processes and timeout ?
[17:03:33] <UQlev> natsumey: just install new server and swap IPs
[17:04:13] <Turt|e> UQlev: do you think that lookup file bind in resolv.conf does any difference if it were lookup bind file ?
[17:04:38] <natsumey> including the old mailbox ?
[17:05:04] <UQlev> Turt|e: I have no ideas about postfix, but some MTAs don't look into hosts at all
[17:05:38] <UQlev> natsumey: leave old server only as POP3
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[17:06:18] <xpoint> depends on how you configured resolv.conf
[17:06:20] <sepski> Turt|e, if you run postfix chrooted it will grab hosts resolv.conf when started or restarted iirc
[17:06:24] <UQlev> natsumey: I just wonder what has forced you to migrate?
[17:07:00] <Turt|e> UQlev: there is a file in the chroot
[17:07:18] <natsumey> moving to new system
[17:07:30] <xpoint> nameserver 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf
[17:07:35] <natsumey> so far my idea is using imap-proxy
[17:07:52] <natsumey> but still looking for best solutions
[17:08:03] <natsumey> without having a downtime and losing a data
[17:08:10] <xpoint> can olso be bad configured nscd
[17:08:25] <Turt|e> xpoint: ?
[17:08:56] <UQlev> natsumey: new system.. imap-proxy.. very clear ;)
[17:08:57] <xpoint> know your unix basic first as in topic
[17:11:21] <Turt|e> xpoint: well its bsd not linux, and i think i know somw basics, i use it with forward only and the forward is the isps dns server .. what did you mean by misconfgiured
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[17:11:46] <UQlev> natsumey: downtime is not a problem if your dayly load is less than 50% of limit. Losing data from a pop3 is only by purpose ;)
[17:12:04] <xpoint> Turt|e, /etc/hosts not working in chroot ?
[17:12:53] <natsumey> ermss
[17:13:10] <natsumey> most of the things is new for me
[17:13:21] <natsumey> especially postfix+ldap
[17:13:57] <Turt|e> xpoint: well i didnt see that, but if it doesnt work will this affect postfix bad ?
[17:14:40] <UQlev> ldap is pain in the ass, damn gift of MS
[17:15:02] <cpm> ldap is a gift from sun
[17:15:45] <UQlev> cpm: thank you ;) it doesn't make it better
[17:15:58] <cpm> it's from the old x.500 directory
[17:16:04] <cpm> no, that doesn't make it better.
[17:16:20] <cpm> folks who grok schemas do well with it though, personally, it gives me migranes
[17:17:12] <rob0> Girls don't make passes and guys who grok schemas (or so I've heard.)
[17:17:21] <rob0> s/and/at/
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[17:17:36] <cpm> hrmm, actually, , ,
[17:17:55] <cpm> http://www.wherescherie.com/
[17:18:06] <cpm> her boyfriend is one of the best openldap hackers I know.
[17:18:35] <cpm> and that EZ is his, paid for by being pretty good with things like ldap.
[17:18:36] * cpm grumbles
[17:19:17] <xpoint> Turt|e, no /etc/hosts normaly only needed when local dns seen from resolv.conf is not up and running, when it is hosts can be fetched from local dns server if one wants it, but not if /etc/hosts is only working in non chroot enviroments
[17:22:27] <Turt|e> xpoint: well i deletede the lookup line in /var/spool/postfix/resolve.conf to be sure that this isnt doing any harm.
[17:23:30] <xpoint> ok
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[17:34:08] <magnet_> hi
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[17:35:04] <Sp4rKy> hi
[17:35:15] <Sp4rKy> is there some people who knows well fetchmail ?
[17:35:43] <magnet_> I'd like to setup postfix on my secondary mail server, so there is no local delivery, and all is sent to the primary mail server.I looked in the doc but did not success in removing the 'local delivery agent'.can somebody help please ?
[17:35:50] <Sp4rKy> i would know if the mail can be redirected to an external adress ?
[17:36:14] <hparker> magnet_: Sure, don't do it ;) Secondary MXs are more trouble then they're worth
[17:37:18] <UQlev> Sp4rKy: to redirect w/o MTA?
[17:38:00] <magnet_> hparker: to tell the true, I'm in some troubles. I did not setuped that mail server, and it seems that it delivers some mails localy
[17:38:14] <magnet_> but those mails should go in another place to be read by users.
[17:38:29] <hparker> magnet_: Just drop the secondary, nothing but a spam magnet
[17:38:42] <Sp4rKy> UQlev: to redirect to another MTA
[17:38:46] <magnet_> I got no choice on that one, it's for my job.
[17:39:11] <Sp4rKy> ie : in my server, i would get emails from an AOL account and redirect them to a gmail acount
[17:39:18] <Roobarb-Work> hparker: depends if you setup all your MX's the same way
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[17:39:27] <hparker> Explain to $BOSS that it's not needed.. As for how to do it, I have no idea.. Probably something at postfix.org covering it
[17:39:38] <hparker> Roobarb-Work: Right.. Most don't
[17:39:57] <Roobarb-Work> thats a rather sweeping assumption
[17:39:59] <UQlev> Sp4rKy: some mail-server do have pop3 retrieve option from other boxen
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[17:40:33] <RedShift> hi all
[17:40:33] <magnet_> hparker: thanks for trying still.
[17:40:37] <hparker> Roobarb-Work: Ok, most that need help heven't ;)
[17:40:38] <magnet_> hi RedShift .
[17:40:42] <RedShift> is it still common that mails get sent with \n instead of \r\n?
[17:40:47] <Sp4rKy> UQlev: aol can't redirect, and only accepts imap
[17:41:44] <UQlev> Sp4rKy: now redirect w/o consent of the sender doesn't work 100%, receiving server may object
[17:41:45] <RedShift> what exactly do "sites" mean in ipv6 terminology?
[17:42:00] <RedShift> does a private range mean a "site-local" range?
[17:42:23] <Sp4rKy> UQlev: mhh k
[17:42:49] <UQlev> Sp4rKy: SPF, domainkeys etc..
[17:42:54] <RedShift> oh crap wrong channel
[17:43:39] <RedShift> but still, is it still common that emails get sent with \n line-endings instead of \r\n?
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[17:50:16] <magnet_> so no one know how I can prevent local delivery ? I saw in docs to remove my local delivery agent from master.cf, I tried commenting the line 'local' but it did nothing.
[17:50:43] * cpm tries to explain hparker  to $boss
[17:51:02] <hparker> lol.... That'll never work!
[17:51:16] <cpm> yeah
[17:51:17] * rob0 tries to boss hparker to cpm
[17:51:27] * magnet_ melt boss
[17:51:41] <magnet_> even it's not a normal behavior.
[17:51:59] * cpm sets chmod -R 444 cpm
[17:52:00] <rob0> "Prevent local delivery"? What is the problem you are trying to solve?
[17:52:15] <DickensCider> request for advice: I currently have a postfix server behind a firewall. I've duplicated my server onto a server I wish to configure on a DMZ or outside my firewall, which will filter spam and relay to my internal server. I'm not entirely sure how I want to configure my external server just yet, so I'm looking for some guidance on the configuration. Two things to consider: I'm looking to allow external users to access webmail (via squir
[17:53:08] <magnet_> I got a secondary mail server there, and I noticed it delivered locally some mails, but those mails should be readable by our users, that use pop on the primary mail server.
[17:54:07] <rob0> DickensCider: ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html#relay_domain_class
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[17:54:15] <magnet_> so I'd like all incoming mails for our domains, to be forwarded to the primary mail server, instead of delivered locally.
[17:55:02] <rob0> magnet_, it's simpler than you seem to think. Mail is delivered by local(8) if the recipient domain is listed in $mydestination. See this:
[17:55:05] <rob0> !basic
[17:55:05] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:55:29] <rob0> Don't work so hard at breaking Postfix.
[17:55:30] <magnet_> rob0: I look at this now, thanks.
[17:56:23] <magnet_> lol
[17:56:28] <magnet_> there must be something I don't get.
[17:57:13] <magnet_> it's not a normal behavior, that secondary mx server send mails to primary server ?
[17:57:35] <Dominian> it should
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[17:59:06] <rob0> It's perfectly normal for a Postfix install to think that its own $mydestination domains should be delivered locally.
[17:59:21] <Dominian> yah
[17:59:34] * Dominian delivers /dev/rob0 locally to /dev/urandom
[17:59:45] <rob0> piusdglkjndgpjngfkpjksdgnjjfdg
[17:59:50] <Dominian> hehe
[18:00:02] <rob0> Dominian needs more entropy, it seems
[18:00:03] <hparker> Thanks Dominian, he was hard enough to understand as it was
[18:00:21] <Dominian> hparker: I try to keep things interesting
[18:00:36] <hparker> ;)
[18:00:52] <Dominian> hmm..
[18:00:59] <Dominian> cat /dev/rob0 > /dev/snd
[18:01:02] <Dominian> that would be interesting
[18:01:06] <hparker> lol
[18:03:36] <magnet_> rob0: umm I suppose that local use virtual_mailbox_domains too to see if a mail should be delivered locally.
[18:07:28] <cpm> Dominian, don't! you'll overwrite snd!
[18:09:30] <Dominian> ACK!
[18:09:34] <Dominian> too late...
[18:09:41] <Dominian> now it sounds like shit..
[18:09:58] <cpm> bummer
[18:10:11] <Dominian> ummm wonder if /dev/rob0 has a warranty
[18:10:18] <Dominian> "Lemon" warranty ;)
[18:19:00] 
[18:19:03] <many> there you go
[18:19:06] <many> baby entropy
[18:19:13] <magnet_> oh great
[18:19:20] <magnet_> I succed, thanks !
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[18:20:10] <magnet_> I dunno why the db with the domain list was not used for relay, but as destinations.
[18:21:52] <rob0> My warranty expired on 1984-04-04, sorry.
[18:23:35] <rob0> magnet_, see ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html to try to fit the parts together. virtual_mailbox_domains defines a different class.
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[18:24:18] <rob0> Yes, virtual_mailbox_domains are delivered "locally", but not by local(8) and not to Unix accounts and aliases(5).
[18:24:33] <magnet_> that what's happening
[18:24:48] <magnet_> simply empty the table 'domains', and filling up 'relay' worked.
[18:25:29] <magnet_> I'll go read that ADDRESS_CLASS_README
[18:27:00] <rob0> Splendid idea, if I do say so myself. :)
[18:31:09] <theblackbox> rob0, you reakon you could lend me your experience /once again/ to see if you know of a treatment for this? http://pastebin.ca/502720
[18:31:21] <theblackbox> I haven't been able to find anything online aboot it
[18:31:53] <theblackbox> but Dominian and a few others have been helping me diagnose and we think we know what the problem is, but I just haven't found a solution yet :(
[18:33:02] <many> why is it that babyhumans figure out to press the caps key first
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[18:34:26] <theblackbox> postfixadmin/functions.inc.php is using the function.mysql-real-escape-string to submit (or get?) info to msqld for something (I really wouldn't know why or what... escaping chars I guess) but it's not connecting to the mysql.sock with the details I've setup in config.inc.php and so it can't get access
[18:36:16] <theblackbox> hmm, reading up on the function on hphp.net it must be that the function.mysql-real-escape-string is submitting info to the mysql_query() and somehow breaking a chain that would pass the values from common.inc.php
[18:37:18] <theblackbox> ie. mysql_connect is not getting the values to log into the mysqld
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[18:47:22] <rob0> theblackbox: catch me later, no time now.
[18:47:31] <theblackbox> cool
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[18:57:05] <haroldp> anyone use Botnet.pm with SpamAssassin?  It seems to have fallen off the internet.
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[19:07:18] <Habbie> hello; when a php user uses mail() to send a message, /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i (which is postfix, of course) is invoked; the returnpath is then set to <username>@<hostname>; can i tell postfix to take the returnpath from the From header?
[19:12:38] <rob0> theblackbox: looks like a bunch of PHP/mysql config issues that I wouldn't be able to help with anyway. "Access denied" ... fix that.
[19:12:50] <rob0> Habbie: your answer is in "man sendmail".
[19:12:59] <rob0> afk again
[19:14:10] <Habbie> rob0, if you mean -f or -r, those are not what i'm looking for; if you mean something else, i'm probably blind and need more help :)
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[19:23:57] <sparrw> I would like to reset this status on many emails in my queue: delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused
[19:23:58] <sparrw> how?
[19:25:05] <sparrw> im waiting for them all to re-deliver and id like to force them to go now, instead of waiting
[19:32:13] <haroldp> sparrw: how about, postsuper -r ALL
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[19:41:41] <sparrw> thanks, didnt know about postsuper
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[20:39:49] <kokoko1> Hi guys
[20:40:14] <kokoko1> I am trying to configure backup MXer however I am getting ..
[20:40:17] <kokoko1> host backup-mx.xxxx.com[xx.xxx.xxx.xx] said: 554 5.4.0
[20:40:17] <kokoko1>     Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command)
[20:40:32] <haroldp> mail loop?
[20:40:38] <kokoko1> bounce back with error message
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[20:41:27] <kokoko1> haroldp, its for me?
[20:42:04] <haroldp> yeah.  mail servers limit the max number of hops in order to stop mail loops
[20:42:34] <kokoko1> I am not sure  i just define MX for my domain with low priority and now testing it via sending email from gmail , Primary MX is down for testing purpose.
[20:43:02] <kokoko1> haroldp, Yep the backup-mx is far far away, any idea how to fix it?
[20:44:03] <many> how did you configure your backup mx to deliver the mails for the domains its secondary for?
[20:44:05] <haroldp> Find out WHY it is taking too many hops.
[20:45:03] <kokoko1> http://www.akadia.com/services/postfix_mx_backup.html <-- followd this
[20:45:17] <kokoko1> relay_domains = $mydestination the.backed-up.domain.name
[20:45:18] <kokoko1> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks
[20:45:18] <kokoko1>                                check_relay_domains
[20:45:52] <many> you have added the transport line in main.cf?
[20:46:12] <kokoko1> many, nope :(
[20:46:20] <kokoko1> where should i add it in master.cf?
[20:46:29] <many> not master.cf
[20:46:30] <many> in main.cf
[20:46:37] <many> /etc/postfix/main.cf:
[20:46:38] <many> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
[20:46:39] <many> this thing
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[20:48:17] <many> this howto doesnt make sense to me.
[20:48:41] <many> lemme look something up
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[20:49:06] <kokoko1> many, any link will be greatly appreciated :)
[20:49:30] <many> ! relay_domains
[20:49:31] <knoba> many: 'relay_domains' : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter.
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[20:50:27] <many> mh.
[20:50:44] <kokoko1> :-S ?
[20:51:30] <kokoko1> many, added transport line
[20:51:50] <kokoko1> but now emails just getting lost not bounce back and not queue on backup-mx :-S
[20:52:01] <many> wait. :)
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[20:52:31] <many> i'm pondering wether relay_domains is enough voodoo to omit the transports
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[20:53:38] <many> i didnt think so, but iam not certain this is the case
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[20:54:46] <many> maybe f3ew or rob0 can enlighten me *hilight* :}
[20:55:30] <kokoko1> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
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[20:55:42] <kokoko1> Configuring Postfix as primary or backup MX host for a remote site
[20:56:00] <kokoko1> looking into this
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[20:56:50] <^IcE-bOy^> hi
[20:57:22] <^IcE-bOy^> somebody can help me with fetchmail ?
[20:57:25] <many> so its probably enough voodoo
[20:57:33] <^IcE-bOy^> i want to use fetchmail as mail redirect, it's possible ?
[20:57:48] <many> kokoko1: did you get a bounce earlier?
[20:58:10] <kokoko1> yes but not after adding transport line into master.cf
[20:58:32] <many> right. that bounce should contain all headers of the original mail
[20:59:33] <many> including like 30 received headers
[21:00:44] <many> and i guess i should re-check docs on how to setup secMXs. :]
[21:02:06] <kokoko1> heh
[21:03:08] <many> hey, you never stop learning. :)
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[21:07:23] <foo> relay=mx2.hotmail.com[65.54.244.168], delay=5, status=sent (250  <20070522150645.807A8D982C9 at mymail dot mydomain.com> Queued mail for delivery
[21:07:46] <foo> Hm, I'm seeing that in my mail.log for an e-mail sent ot hotmail... does that mean hotmail queud it?
[21:08:01] <haroldp> yes, foo.
[21:08:16] <foo> What would cause them to queue it?
[21:08:21] <haroldp> or possibly dropped it on the floor.  :)
[21:08:29] <foo> I have rDNS setup, everything is fine... hmm.
[21:08:30] <many> heh :)
[21:08:54] <haroldp> because...they're are hotmail, and handle emails for hotmail.com emails?
[21:08:54] <many> foo: "Queued Mail for delivery"
[21:09:18] <haroldp> yes, everything looks fine there.  what is the problem?
[21:09:33] <foo> Apparently they didn't receive the e-mail
[21:09:41] <foo> So, things look good with that, eh
[21:09:49] <haroldp> that is hotmail saying, "ok, we have it.  not your problem anymore"
[21:09:54] * Dominian nods
[21:10:00] <foo> gotcha, ok
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[21:10:13] <Dominian> foo: tell them to check their junk/spam folder
[21:10:18] <foo> Dominian: ok, thanks
[21:10:21] <haroldp> what hotmail does with it after they accept it is hotmail's problem.
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[21:11:27] <many> you couldnt influence it anyway, they say 200, you have to trust it
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[21:14:04] <foo> haroldp: yup
[21:14:11] <foo> haroldp: Just need to be able to tell the person complaining it's hotmail
[21:14:12] <foo> hehe
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[21:14:23] <foo> http://x01.ath.cx/temp/mailinfo.txt - hm, how about this one
[21:17:23] <foo> hm, that name isn't resolving webmail68.rediffmail.com
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[21:21:20] <foo> haroldp: That's probably just some just/spam or something, eh?
[21:25:17] <Dominian> yeah
[21:25:23] <Dominian> would explain why it gets rejected
[21:26:04] <foo> thanks Dominian
[21:26:54] <foo> Dominian: hm, I sent an e-mail to my hotmail account for kicks... and hotmail queued it too. Those punks! Strange, though, I can't figure out why they would do that.
[21:26:58] * foo is paranoid he did something wrong
[21:28:20] <Dominian> heh
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[21:29:14] <foo> 3 at hotmail dot com>, relay=mx4.hotmail.com[65.54.244.232], delay=1, status=sent (250  <20070522191958.8B3799E02E2 at mail2 dot rootly.com> Queued mail for delivery)
[21:29:17] <foo> May 22 12:19:59 clio2 postfix/qmgr[23382]: 8B3799E02E2: removed
[21:29:32] <foo> Dominian: if hotmail says that, then I should be fine... right?
[21:29:37] <sysmonk> nope
[21:29:45] <sysmonk> if OTHER servers say so - it should be allright
[21:29:45] <x-ip> holly somke
[21:29:50] <foo> err
[21:29:51] <sysmonk> but hotmail... hotmail is a sh*t
[21:29:54] <foo> whoops
[21:29:55] <foo> hehe
[21:29:58] <sysmonk> foo: hotmail has some filtering 'problems'
[21:29:59] <sysmonk> !hotmail
[21:29:59] <knoba> sysmonk: 'hotmail' : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[21:30:05] <sysmonk> look at this article
[21:30:16] <foo> sysmonk: oh, ok
[21:30:25] <sysmonk> they accept the email ( smtp says it accepts it ), but it often doesn't get to the mailbox
[21:30:33] <sysmonk> but first you should look in the junk mail folder
[21:30:34] <sysmonk>  :)
[21:31:11] <sysmonk> 60% that it got to 'junk mail', 35% that it won't show up, and 5% that it got to inbox!
[21:31:14] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:32:27] 
[21:33:21] <foo> sysmonk: I've sent out 2 e-mails, checked junk mail folder 10 times... no go.
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[21:34:34] <sysmonk> foo: as i said before, hotmail has some sirious problems
[21:34:37] <haroldp> foo: I don't think you understand what is meant by "queue"
[21:34:44] <sysmonk> and many emails don't even get to junk mail folder
[21:34:52] <foo> ah, I see. Wow, that's sad
[21:34:53] <foo> heh
[21:34:54] <haroldp> it is not a bad thing.
[21:35:03] <foo> oh
[21:35:06] <sysmonk> and there's now direct way of knowing why ;/
[21:35:12] <haroldp> "queued for delivery"
[21:35:13] <foo> s/now/no/ ?
[21:35:24] <sysmonk> foo: right
[21:35:37] <sysmonk> and in the article knoba gave link to, there's some postmaster stuff
[21:35:38] <foo> Ok, basically, my domain needs rDNS, SMTP banner needs to return the correct hostname... do I need anything else?
[21:35:44] <foo> ohh
[21:35:51] <sysmonk> how you can 'debug' ... but it really doesn't help a lot :)
[21:36:13] <foo> I think I'm missing SPF records
[21:36:20] <sysmonk> i have a mail server wich was never blacklisted, has SPF records, has dkim and domainkeys
[21:36:34] <sysmonk> each email is signed with a dkim && domainkeys
[21:36:42] <sysmonk> and i still can't send email to hotmail normally :)
[21:37:19] <foo> hehe
[21:37:46] <sysmonk> but, at work, we have a mail server with ... about 100k+ mailboxes, and it was in blacklists manyyyy times
[21:38:12] <sysmonk> and hotmail accepts all emails from that server ...
[21:38:13] <foo> ahh
[21:39:24] <foo> Hm, anyone know of a tool to check a mail server? /me googles
[21:39:38] <sysmonk> check a mail server for what?
[21:39:55] <foo> To make sure it's set up properly
[21:40:15] <foo> I think I need SPF records... I'm still learning about this stuff, but I don't think I have that
[21:41:05] <Habbie> sysmonk, and, because of SPF, you can't send mail to a lot of other places on the internet too!
[21:41:20] * foo wonders if that was to him
[21:42:13] * cpm hasn't seen an email rejected due to lack of spf record yet.
[21:42:16] <sysmonk> Habbie: ?
[21:42:39] <Habbie> sysmonk, if you send to an address that is forwarded to another address, and that endpoints rejects based on SPF, your message will be reject
[21:43:03] <sysmonk> oh, your talking about that
[21:43:28] <haroldp> make spf the _last_ thing on your list
[21:43:31] <sysmonk> Habbie: oh, well... gmail has problems too then
[21:43:54] <Habbie> correct
[21:44:07] <Habbie> although, gmail says ?all
[21:44:10] <Habbie> not -all
[21:44:11] <Habbie> so, not really
[21:44:18] <sysmonk> yes, i know
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[21:51:22] <foo> 5C/w 23
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[21:56:01] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[21:56:20] <Lars_G> Question, any sweet tool to clean the queue based on regexes on the content/headers?
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[22:29:48] <Lars_G> Any tips at least on avoiding DoS on postfix?
[22:30:09] <Northern> Hello. Does anyone know that if a transport setup in transport_maps for domainA times out will postfix try to send the email via the default relayhost instead ?
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[22:33:59] <rob0> Lars_G's questions make it sound like he's not doing recipient validation in SMTP. If you reject nonexistent users in SMTP, your queue doesn't get clogged with undeliverable backscatter spam, and you're not DoS'ed.
[22:34:23] <rob0> Northern: I don't think so, no.
[22:34:50] <Lars_G> rob0: I can't do recipient validation for relaying, can I?
[22:34:54] <Lars_G> Won't it be a big slowdown?
[22:35:13] <rob0> !relay_recipient_maps
[22:35:14] <knoba> rob0: 'relay_recipient_maps' : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $relay_domains. Specify @domain as a wild-card for domains that do not have a valid recipient list.
[22:35:44] <rob0> If you don't do validation, you are a spammer.
[22:35:46] <Lars_G> ... And I should add either all users in the world... or all domains in the world?
[22:35:50] <haroldp> if you are just relaying to known destination domains, know what the valid accounts are
[22:36:04] <rob0> You mean you have spamming users?
[22:36:06] <Lars_G> They're not known validation domains.
[22:36:08] <Lars_G> Yes
[22:36:13] <Lars_G> They have been blocked.
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[22:36:23] <haroldp> shoot them in the face.
[22:36:24] <Lars_G> But I want to act before they spam next time.
[22:36:32] <Lars_G> Oh sure. I already sent the hitman.
[22:36:36] <Lars_G> but I want to avoid this shit again
[22:36:40] <haroldp> :)
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[22:37:50] <Lars_G> btw haroldp both users where botted. so it's not technically their "fault"
[22:37:51] <Northern> Thanks rob0. I have the following scenario - transport_maps defines mail for domainA to go thru smtp.domainA.com. Maillog shows this server sometimes times out. However, mailq shows i get a 421 response but the server is my relayhost in main.cf. Im stuck trying to work out what happening.
[22:38:36] <rob0> No, you do not do validation for relay from users, but you might want to do rate limiting or virus/content scanning from your users.
[22:39:36] <haroldp> are people using postfix/anvil for that these days? or policy servers?
[22:39:56] <rob0> Probably policy servers like Cami's policyd.
[22:40:20] <Lars_G> rob0: one day, one day botted and they generated 30Gb of enqueued mails.
[22:40:27] <rob0> ouch!
[22:40:31] <haroldp> heh
[22:40:39] <Lars_G> Yes I'm thinking on setting an anvil
[22:40:40] <haroldp> you should also watch your queue :)
[22:40:41] <Lars_G> I think I will
[22:40:46] <rob0> Rate limiting definitely would have helped.
[22:40:53] <Lars_G> haroldp: Sigh yeah I'll have to snmp the thing
[22:41:00] <rob0> Did you get blacklisted?
[22:41:22] <Lars_G> rob0: the trouble is one of the infected machines is another server, that relays thorough this, so if I limit it, I'll also limit the relaying
[22:41:23] <haroldp> http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/queuegraph/
[22:41:32] <Lars_G> rob0: Only on two domains.
[22:41:41] <Lars_G> yahoo.tw and hinet.net
[22:42:17] <Lars_G> I think I'll have to clean the whole queue.
[22:42:26] <rob0> Uh, perhaps you didn't know this, but generally blacklisting is done by IP address. You mean those MX's are rejecting you?
[22:42:27] <Lars_G> 30Gb of queue is not something I clean by hand.
[22:42:34] <Lars_G> rob0: Yes.
[22:42:47] <Lars_G> rob0: thankfully it's localized, I didn't make it to any public blacklist.
[22:42:56] <Lars_G> And yes I mean those MXs listed me locally.
[22:43:00] <rob0> Lars_G, Ralf Hildebrant has a little perl script to do what you describe.
[22:43:07] <Lars_G> I'll google
[22:43:18] <rob0> *Hildebrandt
[22:43:30] <haroldp> you could also refuse to relay emails with windows executable attachments.  that elimintaes 95%+ of malware with almost no overhead, and minimal user-agrivation
[22:44:31] <Lars_G> haroldp: IDK about user aggravation. I've been called names for not allowing .exe to traverse
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[22:44:44] <XeN-Lo> hello
[22:45:02] <haroldp> Lars: I haven't allowed them in about 8 years.  :)
[22:45:13] <Lars_G> I also had a user call histerical after SA was installed, to whine that she wanted her spam, and we were animal killers for refusing her to get spam (it's what she said)
[22:45:19] <XeN-Lo> hello
[22:45:27] <Lars_G> XeN-Lo: WE SEE YOU
[22:45:46] <Lars_G> XeN-Lo: your presence is aknowledged, be at ease now and feel free to inquiry, or ask or anything you desire :)
[22:45:51] <haroldp> I filter by default, but let lusers get their spam if they really want
[22:46:09] <Lars_G> haroldp: selective filtering is a little too cpu intensive for my taste
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[22:46:18] <Lars_G> or is it not?
[22:46:49] <haroldp> I don't see why it would be much worse
[22:47:44] <Lars_G> Because I'd have to query a datasource (file, or database) on each email to see if recipient desires filtering.
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[22:48:39] <XeN-Lo> Lars_G, Thank you for this charming hospitality ;o)
[22:48:45] <haroldp> compared to the IO involved in running a message to 1000+ spamassassin checks, whould you even notice?
[22:48:58] <Lars_G> found it. haroldp delete-from-mailq, thanks
[22:49:09] <Lars_G> XeN-Lo: I'm stressed and not too accomodating to an attention whore. sorry
[22:49:37] <Lars_G> And yes I know I can be kicked from channel for that. I'm too stressed right now to care about anything but not developing an ulcer
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[22:50:16] <Lars_G> haroldp, rob0: Hildebrandt has a LOT of ussefull stuff. thanks a lot.
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[22:52:48] <Lars_G> XeN-Lo: Sorry, I'm very stressed. Sorry on having lashed back at you
[22:52:52] <XeN-Lo> oh my god, i just notice, i've said twice hello ... the begin of alzheimer ... :-S
[22:53:07] <rob0> :)
[22:53:11] <XeN-Lo> Lars_G, you welcom
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[22:53:25] <XeN-Lo> *'r
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[22:55:39] <Lars_G> XeN-Lo: Sorry man.
[22:56:08] <Lars_G> Do you guys think 10 emails per session, 1 connection per ip, 15 recipients per email, 1 session per minute max is too lax or too draconian?
[22:56:11] <XeN-Lo> non it's me ;oP
[22:56:39] <sysmonk> Lars_G: depends
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[22:56:55] <Lars_G> What does it depend on?
[22:57:01] <haroldp> Lars: I'd look at a couple days of logs to pick those numbers
[22:57:09] <Deep6> guys is there a way to do "vacation" for an account that's not on the system any longer?
[22:57:30] <Lars_G> haroldp: Sigh log analysis. Meh, I might do that
[22:57:36] <haroldp> 1 connection per IP will definately mess with offices with many users behind NAT
[22:58:05] <Lars_G> what log analysis do you use?
[22:58:14] <haroldp> "more"
[22:58:15] <haroldp> :)
[22:58:18] <rob0> Deep6 perhaps wants relocated(5)
[22:59:34] <Lars_G> I'd say toast them, they're end users anyhow
[23:03:57] <haroldp> maybe a better approach would be to look at the profile of the bot that caused the problem, and pick setting that are characteristic
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[23:13:15] <war> How do I allow comcast forwarding of e-mail from my comcast account to my postfix/domain/email server but DENY all spammers, e.g., c-24.56.223.32.md.comcast.net
[23:13:31] <Deep6> rob0 I need to be able to forward mail onto someone at this location but at the same time respond back with a messege to the originator
[23:13:34] <war> I allowed the forwarding servers but there's hundreds of them, rwmcmxs.r11.comcast.net etc
[23:15:36] <many> huh=?
[23:17:32] <war> I want to receive e-mail from comcast's servers (i forward my mail from them to home)
[23:17:39] <war> but I do not want to allow *.comcast.net
[23:17:47] <war> because spammers (e.g., c-12.3.4.1-md.comcast.net)
[23:17:50] <war> spam like mad
[23:18:35] <Lars_G> sigh if only I could limit the ammount of emails postqueue -p prints
[23:18:48] <Lars_G> Maybe if I recode it.
[23:18:50] * Lars_G goes insane
[23:19:27] * foo gives Lars_G a hankerchief
[23:19:48] <haroldp> | more ?
[23:19:53] * Lars_G shoves the hankerchief inside his left ear and runs in circles.
[23:19:59] <Lars_G> haroldp: Not too usefull here.
[23:20:16] <haroldp> | head ?
[23:20:16] <Lars_G> haroldp: I need to limit the chunks delete-from-mailq works with.
[23:20:23] <Lars_G> so I need to split it in neat chunks.
[23:20:30] <Lars_G> separated by \n\n
[23:20:36] <Lars_G> maybe sed, or cut...
[23:20:39] * Lars_G sighs
[23:20:50] <haroldp> use xargs
[23:21:31] <Lars_G> hmm
[23:21:59] <Lars_G> I don't see how.
[23:22:50] <Lars_G> I'll recode the perl file a little
[23:22:55] <Lars_G> and change the order of things.
[23:23:25] <haroldp> there is a nice example of deleting junk in man postsuper
[23:23:44] <Deep6> rob0 ?
[23:23:50] <Lars_G> ah I'll alter the perl a little anduse that
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[23:25:05] <haroldp> grep -R 'penis pill' /var/spool/postfix/deferred/ | xargs -L 1 basename | postsuper -d -
[23:25:12] <haroldp> :)
[23:26:30] <Lars_G> No penis at all
[23:26:35] <Lars_G> Not even a single boob or viaga
[23:26:46] <Lars_G> it seems like they're using our servers for an account sweep
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[23:27:46] <haroldp> that shold have been `grep -Rl` :)
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[23:28:38] <Lars_G> Hmmm that sounds actually smart...
[23:28:43] <Lars_G> VERY smart....
[23:28:56] <Lars_G> haroldp: I'd hug you, but many people are insecure about their sexuality
[23:29:08] <Lars_G> I surely don't think well when under stress sometimes
[23:29:13] <haroldp> just send money.
[23:29:30] <Lars_G> It's odd, when all hell breaks lose in real life, I turn into the savior, and direct people and stuff.
[23:29:42] <Lars_G> when a machine breaks and my boss is breathing on my neck, I turn into a klutz
[23:29:51] <Lars_G> haroldp: Oh well. :(
[23:30:10] <Lars_G> haroldp: I have $10 left in my bank account until the 31th. I wanted to eat, but if you need it so much....
[23:30:38] <haroldp> heh, you can buy me a beer the next time I'm in town
[23:30:42] <Lars_G> As you see, I'm latinamerican, and I'm not "top" sysadmin (I was hired as a coder anyhow :P) so I don't make that much money.
[23:30:57] <Lars_G> Sure if you come to Venezuela I'll tour you, and have you taste all the local beers
[23:31:15] <Lars_G> I can even hook you up with my BF's cousin. She's not gorgeous, but she likes to fuck a lot.
[23:32:04] <rob0> Hahaha
[23:33:15] <Lars_G> Well, it's a payment form.... ;)
[23:33:34] <Lars_G> And to be fair, we do decent beers in Ve
[23:33:42] <rob0> Payment in ... commodities!
[23:33:47] <Lars_G> Not outrageously great, but still good
[23:33:56] <rob0> cerVEsa
[23:34:06] <Lars_G> haroldp: Are you a recognized expert in any OSS software?
[23:34:21] <Lars_G> haroldp: I might try to get you invited next year to talk at the next Open Source convention...
[23:37:47] <Lars_G> rob0: btw it's with z... Cerveza.
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[23:47:08] <rob0> oops ... well, I'll drink to that.
[23:47:15] <Lars_G> hehehe
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[23:54:55] <haroldp> Lars: hah, I say mean things about your president.  I'd prolly just get in trouble. :)
[23:55:42] <haroldp> I say mean things about my president too, but who would notice?  :)
[23:57:56] <Lars_G> Oh then we won't get along too well.
[23:58:06] <Lars_G> I am a big supporter of my president.
[23:58:20] <haroldp> but I have to say, beer and a easy cousin is about the best offer I've had on irc :)
[23:58:51] <Lars_G> :)





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