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[00:21:59] <mwc> I'm trying to get my relayhost to relay via smtp/ssl, that is, port 465. My isp blocks outgoing connects on 25
[00:22:21] <mwc> doesn't seem to work:
[00:22:33] <mwc> May 17 18:15:53 iron postfix/smtp[7802]: BD72120A1526: to=<hguthrie at uwo dot ca>, relay=mattcox.ca[216.246.61.94]:465, delay=2587, delays=2287/0.04/300/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (conversation with mattcox.ca[216.246.61.94] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)
[00:22:52] <mwc> I've used openssl s_client to connect on that port and carry out an SMTP convo
[00:22:56] <mwc> so I know that end is fine
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[00:29:48] <rob0> Yes, Postfix does not have an smtps client.
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[00:44:40] <mwc> hmmmm
[00:47:03] <rob0> Maybe this is something stunnel could do, but I don't know. Can't you put your relayhost on some other port, like submission?
[00:47:08] <rob0> (Do you run the relayhost?)
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[00:53:20] <mwc> no, I don't
[00:53:33] <mwc> and the other relayhost I have access to requires starttls before mail from:
[00:58:51] <rob0> TLS works.
[00:59:34] <rob0> afk, bbl
[01:00:15] <mwc> yeah, I turned on smtp_use_tls
[01:00:23] <mwc> but now I have a new problem
[01:01:26] <mwc> May 17 18:53:59 iron postfix/smtp[8162]: C0B4120A1526: to=<mcox22 at uwo dot ca>, relay=smtphm.sympatico.ca[65.54.191.190]:25, delay=24, delays=23/0.1/0.98/0.12, dsn=5.7.3, status=bounced (host smtphm.sympatico.ca[65.54.191.190] said: 550 5.7.3 Requested action aborted; user not authenticated (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[01:01:35] <mwc> so now i'm working through my sasl config to make sure it's fine
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[04:36:11] <roe_> does anyone know if something special needs to be done to enable personal maildrop filters?
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[09:32:00] <rajkosto> how do i configure uebimiau
[09:32:19] <rajkosto> it says invalid username and password
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[09:33:17] <smesjz> rajkosto: care to give some more info? now it doesn't make sense
[09:33:44] <rajkosto> postfix works great and dovecot and everything is configured
[09:33:51] <rajkosto> i can use like thunderbird to send and receive mail
[09:33:55] <rajkosto> via pop3 and imap
[09:34:07] <smesjz> but?
[09:34:07] <rajkosto> i have to check auth on smtp but it works when i do that
[09:34:20] <smesjz> are you using dovecot sasl?
[09:34:31] <rajkosto> yes
[09:34:42] <smesjz> like this?
[09:34:42] <smesjz> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[09:34:43] <smesjz> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[09:34:43] <smesjz> smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
[09:34:51] <rajkosto> yes
[09:34:58] <rajkosto> i followed the ispconfig guide on howtoforge
[09:35:22] <rajkosto> You cannot login with the username and password entered.
[09:35:22] <rajkosto> Please check your username and password and try again.
[09:35:22] <rajkosto> Back
[09:35:33] <rajkosto> i set the config thing to one for all
[09:35:44] <rajkosto> and just changed smtp auth to yes
[09:35:47] <smesjz> what's in the logs?
[09:35:58] <rajkosto> whers the logs
[09:36:41] <smesjz> *sigh*
[09:36:48] <smesjz> read /var/log/mail.log
[09:38:23] <rajkosto> not that
[09:38:28] <rajkosto> u want me to read postfix logs or
[09:38:51] <smesjz> normally both dovecot and postfix logs are there
[09:39:34] <smesjz> you should see smthing like:  client=jasper[a.b.c.d], sasl_method=PLAIN, sasl_username=foo at bar dot nl
[09:39:53] <rajkosto> thers no mail.log anywhere on the system
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[09:44:14] <smesjz> check your syslog conf
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[09:58:41] <f3ew> learn hotmail as http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[09:58:45] <f3ew> !learn hotmail as http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[09:58:50] <f3ew> !!learn hotmail as http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[09:58:51] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "!learn" is not a valid command.
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[09:58:57] <f3ew> Hmmm
[09:59:06] <f3ew> someone teach Knoba about that please
[09:59:47] <Signum> hmmm
[09:59:53] <Signum> !learn hotmail as http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[10:00:00] <Signum> !hotmail
[10:00:01] <knoba> Signum: 'hotmail' : (#1) http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/, or (#2) http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[10:00:04] <Signum> oops
[10:00:07] <Signum> !forget hotmail
[10:00:08] <knoba> Signum: Error: 2 factoids have that key.  Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
[10:00:09] <Signum> !hotmail
[10:00:10] <knoba> Signum: 'hotmail' : (#1) http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/, or (#2) http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[10:00:20] <Signum> !forget hotmail #1
[10:00:21] <knoba> Signum: Error: There is no such factoid.
[10:00:23] <Signum> !forget hotmail 1
[10:00:27] <Signum> !hotmail
[10:00:27] <knoba> Signum: 'hotmail' : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/
[10:00:33] <Signum> f3ew: !learn did it already :)
[10:00:56] <f3ew> t didn't ack?
[10:01:04] <f3ew> unusual for a bot
[10:01:07] <Signum> It's like in UNIX. No ack means it works.
[10:01:13] <f3ew> yeah
[10:01:57] <smesjz> moin Chris
[10:04:13] <sysmonk> Signum: reallly ?
[10:04:16] <rajkosto> yay its working
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[10:04:20] <sysmonk> !make_me_a_sandwitch
[10:04:20] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "make_me_a_sandwitch" is not a valid command.
[10:04:25] <sysmonk> ah
[10:04:29] <sysmonk> i thought it wouldn't ack :)
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[10:05:57] <smesjz> Signum: nice to see the progress on the tutorial :)
[10:06:02] <MezzotinT> hi,  is there a way to read deferred messages to get to know their origin ?
[10:06:12] <Signum> Hotmail is pretty lippy :)
[10:06:28] <f3ew> mailq
[10:06:30] <f3ew> postcat
[10:06:30] <Signum> smesjz: Yes, I was diligent yesterday. And I'm pretty happy the normalized database works well.
[10:06:59] <MezzotinT> mailq doesn't give me the headers of the messages... postcat might.. :P
[10:07:03] <f3ew> sysmonk, it only makes noise on failure
[10:07:10] <f3ew> postcat will
[10:07:19] <smesjz> I wonder if phpmyadmin is a good choice though. But it's maybe more convenient to use a 'setup.sql' that makes the tables etc;
[10:08:09] <MezzotinT> f3ew: awesome... that was what i needed... thanks ^^
[10:08:29] <sysmonk> f3ew: so knoba doesn't have any bread?
[10:08:30] <sysmonk> ;/
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[10:08:46] <f3ew> !learn sandwich as http://www.xkcd.com/c149.html
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[10:09:13] <sysmonk> ;)
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[10:22:30] <newbie_chris> Does anyone know if there's a way to use ESMTP authentication when relaying messages vis the "relayhost" setting? Or any other way to get message relaying to work on Virgin Media (UK)?
[10:23:04] <newbie_chris> I've got relayhost setup great, but mail.virgin.net requires me to authenticate before it'll allow me to relay :(
[10:26:14] <sep> http://ben.franske.com/blogs/bensbits.php/2005/09/06/postfix_smtp_auth_support_for_relayhost
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[10:31:51] <newbie_chris> In an hour of Googling how did I manage not to find that?! Thanks very much.
[10:35:27] <sysmonk> hm
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[10:35:32] <sysmonk> one problem with that setup...
[10:37:00] <sysmonk> the guy says to chmod the file, cause it has his passsword
[10:37:23] <sysmonk> (the chmod 600 /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd)
[10:37:44] <sysmonk> but ... then again, he makes the hash file world readable ( by chmodding the SAME file with 644 )
[10:37:55] <sysmonk> first of all, it should be sasl_passwd.db
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[10:38:29] <sysmonk> and, secondly, even if he chmod'ed 644 the sasl_passwd.db and not sasl_passwd, i woul still be able to see his password
[10:38:34] <sysmonk> the .db file is not encrypted
[10:38:48] <sysmonk> so, he has some security problems with his setup
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[10:39:28] <ek> You can read the database?
[10:39:53] <sysmonk> just by looking at it ?
[10:40:12] <ek> No. By having access.
[10:40:27] <sysmonk> ek: in his method - yes
[10:40:40] <ek> sasl_passwd shouldn't be limited. But, the database should be.
[10:40:45] <ek> Ah.
[10:40:54] <sysmonk> he creates a sasl_passwd file
[10:40:59] <sysmonk> writes his username and pass there
[10:41:02] <sysmonk> and postmap's it
[10:41:11] <ek> Encrypted I assume?
[10:41:14] <sysmonk> nope
[10:41:19] <ek> Ah. Cute.
[10:41:26] <ek> That couldn't be any more wrong.
[10:41:27] <sysmonk> ek: look at the link
[10:41:28] <newbie_chris> can the .db not be owned postfix:postfix and chmod 600 ?
[10:41:41] <ek> Unless you limit the file to system only.
[10:41:47] <sysmonk> newbie_chris: you meen can it be owned by postfix:postfix and chmod'ed to 600  ? :)
[10:41:55] <ek> newbie_chris: Sure.
[10:41:58] <sysmonk> ek: yes, but HE chmod's the file to 644
[10:42:01] <sysmonk> so, readable for all
[10:42:08] <ek> sysmonk: Not good.
[10:42:13] <sysmonk> ek: look at here: http://ben.franske.com/blogs/bensbits.php/2005/09/06/postfix_smtp_auth_support_for_relayhost
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[10:42:25] <sysmonk> so you could understand what i'm talking about
[10:42:53] <newbie_chris> cool
[10:43:23] <ek> Hrm.
[10:43:26] <ek> That's an oopsie.
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[10:43:49] <ek> That should not be world-readable. You're 100% world readable.
[10:44:15] <ek> Why would you chmod it to 600, postmap, then chmod 644?
[10:44:20] <ek> He's made a mistake.
[10:45:02] <newbie_chris> of course this relies on me *finding* my virgin mail server password, I didn't use it for two years...
[10:45:03] <ek> Someone needs to mail him to let him know. Especially if that's a popular how-to/guide.
[10:45:25] <ek> newbie_chris: Anyone with access to the system would have access to any mail account on the machine.
[10:45:31] <sysmonk> ek: i just wrote a comment
[10:45:38] <sysmonk> but it awaits moderation
[10:45:43] <stellina> hi ppl
[10:45:44] <ek> sysmonk: W-P?
[10:45:49] <ek> Hello, stellina.
[10:46:00] <sysmonk> ek: b2evolution
[10:46:06] <ek> sysmonk: Ah.
[10:46:14] <stellina> does postfix support server side delivery notification?
[10:46:17] <newbie_chris> ek: how so?
[10:46:32] <stellina> I mean to send mail to the sender when the mail is sent to the remote mail server
[10:46:40] <sysmonk> newbie_chris: because in his manual he chmods the db file to 644
[10:46:51] <sysmonk> that means, that the db file will be readable by everybody
[10:46:56] <sysmonk> and the db file isn't encrypted
[10:47:03] <sysmonk> so your password will be there, inside
[10:47:22] <sysmonk> and you could see it by just viewing the file with any editor, i.e. vi
[10:48:21] <ek> stellina: I'm not quite sure I understand the question.
[10:48:29] <sysmonk> here's the proof of concept
[10:48:39] <ek> stellina: You want to email the sender when the mail is delivered?
[10:48:46] <newbie_chris> sysmonk: aah, yes, I chowned it to postfix:postfix and chmoded it 600
[10:48:53] <newbie_chris> does that fix the problem?
[10:48:55] <f3ew> stellina yes
[10:48:55] <ek> newbie_chris: That's fine.
[10:49:23] <ek> newbie_chris: Well, as long as the user and group "postfix" exists.
[10:49:35] <stellina> ek: not when the mail is read by a mail client... I need the sender to get a mail when the mail leaves my mail server and goes to the remote
[10:49:52] <ek> stellina: Ah. Then yes.
[10:50:13] <ek> Postfix supports just about anything.
[10:50:26] <ek> Especially mundane things like sender notification.
[10:50:40] <newbie_chris> ek: yeah, that's what postfix runs as, thanks very much :)
[10:50:49] <ek> newbie_chris: Sure thing.
[10:51:12] <stellina> ek: is this active by default or do I have to add something to main.cf?
[10:51:15] <sysmonk> http://p.data.lt/67
[10:51:44] <ek> stellina: It is not active by default. You have to configure Postfix to do such.
[10:51:57] <ek> stellina: Start with "man postfix".
[10:52:04] <stellina> ek:  ok
[10:52:31] <ek> Anyhow, I'm off to home. [as] airs the fun stuff tonight. G'night, all.
[10:55:18] <stellina> ek: I cannot find such a configuration in man bounce
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[12:00:04] <newbie_chris> quit Thanks guys!
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[12:03:01] <nareshov> Hi, I'm on a fresh freebsd 6.2 with postfix from ports and rc.conf fixed. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postfix start doesn't start postfix :(. /var/log/maillog says "May 18 08:33:44 students postfix/postqueue[1181]: warning: Mail system is down -- accessing queue directly
[12:03:01] <nareshov> "
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[12:26:25] <Paul23> hi all, sry for the stupid question, but can somebody tell me which main.cf file should i use (the one in my install_root dir or in /etc/postfix). This is the first time i'm dealing with postfix so i'll really appriciate your help
[12:27:36] <Roobarb> Paul23: /etc/postfix/main.cf usually
[12:28:04] <Paul23> 10x
[12:30:01] <many> warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disable
[12:30:06] <many> how do i get rid of that?
[12:30:33] <Roobarb> Paul23: actually, postfix uses its config as defined in config_directory
[12:36:25] <Paul23> Roobarb config_directory? is this the tempdir?
[12:36:40] <Roobarb> postconf -d config_directory
[12:40:59] <Roobarb> /usr/sbin/postconf
[12:43:02] <Paul23> yes it's /etc/postfix ;)
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[12:46:09] <belleke> is there a tool  for using proxy's with postfix?
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[12:50:13] <Roobarb> belleke: what kind of proxy?
[12:50:31] <belleke> sow that ip don't show
[12:51:18] <Roobarb> that would be very difficult considering IP Address information is stored in the SMTP headers of every email you send
[12:51:27] <Roobarb> you'd have to explicitly filter those out
[12:52:51] <belleke> thx
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[12:53:07] <stellina> hi again
[12:53:27] <stellina> I have a major problem... for some users I get a session timeout while sending mail
[12:53:44] <stellina> after the data command
[12:53:50] <stellina> how can I debug this?
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[13:02:06] <stellina> any idea? I need your help
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[13:11:32] <Roobarb> stellina: use tcpdump to verify whether data is actually being transmitted after the DATA command
[13:12:25] <stellina> ok I'll use tcpdump as recommended in the DEBUG_README
[13:35:08] <stellina> well I understand nothing from tcpdump's output
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[14:06:23] <fatman> hello, i am fat-man and i weigh 400 pounds.  you can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org
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[14:07:40] <fatman> hello, i am fat-man and i weigh 400 pounds.  you can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org
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[14:13:13] <Signum> Yeah, right...
[14:14:28] <smesjz> I actually clicked that URL...he is fat :(
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[14:17:31] <sep> smesjz, evil you.!
[14:18:49] <smesjz> somehow I didn't expect to find a hot chick there though...
[14:21:33] <Roobarb> clicking on random URL's is how browsers are exploited...
[14:22:20] <smesjz> Roobarb: i'm a dare-devil ;)
[14:22:22] <sep> it's also the reason why spam is so rampant. if people just quit clicking everything spam would not "work" anylonger.
[14:23:18] <sep> people that click on spam links should have their mouse wielding licence removed !
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[14:26:56] <Signum> sep: Don't be angry. Look at my new rolex!
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[14:28:27] <sep> haha
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[14:53:54] <Danielss89> Hi.-.
[14:54:20] <Danielss89> ive installed postfix and dovecot, with mysql support, and ive installed postfixadmin
[14:54:31] <Danielss89> and when i create a user it creates the folders for the user..
[14:54:58] <Danielss89> but when im sending an email to the user ive created from my gmail i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/494774
[14:55:03] <Danielss89> what is wrong?
[14:56:02] <Dominian> 127.0.0.1:60000
[14:56:07] <Danielss89> ?
[14:56:09] <Dominian> what's supposed to be listening on port 60000?
[14:56:14] <Dominian> that's what the problem is
[14:56:30] <Danielss89> hehe i dont know :P ive just followed a guide..
[14:56:45] <Dominian> well look in your postfix main.cf file and find the line with 127.0.0.1:60000 in it
[14:56:50] <Dominian> and show me what it is
[14:57:23] <Danielss89> http://johnny.chadda.se/2007/04/15/mail-server-howto-postfix-and-dovecot-with-mysql-and-tlsssl-postgrey-and-dspam/
[14:58:13] <Dominian> Did you install postgrey?
[14:58:28] <Danielss89> uhm
[14:58:45] <Danielss89> no :P
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[15:01:09] <Dominian> Then that's your problem :)
[15:01:29] <Dominian> If you just want to test your configuration.. you can remove that line for the check_policy_service and restart postfix
[15:01:35] <Dominian> but I suggest that you do use postgrey or sqlgrey
[15:01:42] <Dominian> they help a lot
[15:02:11] <Danielss89> okey..
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[15:05:34] <Danielss89> Dominian
[15:05:51] <Danielss89> if i add a user via the postfixadmin, will it have IMAP access also?
[15:15:56] <Dominian> should
[15:18:19] <lkthomas> postgrey is not as good as sqlgrey
[15:18:28] <lkthomas> I am using sqlgrey 1days ago
[15:18:37] <lkthomas> works pretty good
[15:19:52] <Dominian> yeah
[15:19:55] <Dominian> same here
[15:19:58] <Dominian> sqlgrey is based on postgrey
[15:21:40] <lkthomas> I don't feel postgrey is good tho
[15:22:40] <lkthomas> if we don't use RBL but greylist only, how effective is it ?
[15:23:54] <Danielss89> hmm.. im connected now but it doest fetch the new mail...
[15:24:13] <Danielss89> im just using the mail program in windows vista..
[15:24:27] <Danielss89> it creates some directories
[15:24:33] <Danielss89> on the server so it is connected..
[15:24:35] <Dominian> well check your maillog
[15:24:48] <Dominian> Don't assume its working.. you need to check for errors in the maillog
[15:24:49] <Danielss89> but it doesnt get the mails from the new filder
[15:25:12] <Dominian> You need to troubleshoot the issue.. I"m not saying its completely fixed.. you could have other issues.. permissions.. ownership.. etc
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[15:25:36] <Danielss89> May 18 15:23:11 danielss89 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<danielss89 at potterskolen dot dk>, method=PLAIN, rip=80.62.61.221, lip=89.186.169.112
[15:25:36] <Danielss89> May 18 15:23:11 danielss89 dovecot: IMAP(danielss89 at potterskolen dot dk): Disconnected in IDLE
[15:25:36] <Danielss89> May 18 15:25:18 danielss89 dovecot: Killed with signal 15
[15:25:36] <Danielss89> May 18 15:25:19 danielss89 dovecot: Dovecot v1.0.rc15 starting up
[15:25:36] <Danielss89> May 18 15:25:20 danielss89 dovecot: auth-worker(default): mysql: Connected to localhost (mail)
[15:26:13] <Dominian> Try POP3
[15:26:29] <Dominian> Don't always fully rely on a tutorial
[15:26:37] <Dominian> your situation may vary.. and you may hae to do some extra digging to solve issues
[15:28:09] <Danielss89> yeah :D
[15:28:14] <Danielss89> ive digged a lot :D
[15:28:23] <Danielss89> hehe okey with pop3 it gets the new mail
[15:29:15] <Danielss89> hmm Dominian when sending a mail from the mail program i get this:
[15:29:15] <Danielss89> May 18 15:28:37 danielss89 postfix/smtpd[23254]: warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disabled
[15:29:15] <Danielss89> May 18 15:28:37 danielss89 postfix/smtpd[23254]: connect from 0x503e3ddd.hknxx1.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk[80.62.61.221]
[15:29:15] <Danielss89> May 18 15:28:37 danielss89 postfix/smtpd[23254]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 0x503e3ddd.hknxx1.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk[80.62.61.221]: 504 5.5.2 <Daniellappy>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<danielss89 at potterskolen dot dk> to=<danielss89 at gmail dot com> proto=SMTP helo=<Daniellappy>
[15:29:17] <Danielss89> May 18 15:28:37 danielss89 postfix/smtpd[23254]: disconnect from 0x503e3ddd.hknxx1.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk[80.62.61.221]
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[15:30:13] <Dominian> What client are you using to send email?
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[15:30:47] <Danielss89> imap
[15:30:52] <Dominian> no.. email client
[15:30:53] <Danielss89> oh..
[15:31:02] <Danielss89> the one that comes with windows vista
[15:31:09] 
[15:31:09] <Danielss89> Den afviste e-mail-adresse var danielss89 at gmail dot com. Emne 'Re: adsf', Konto: 'potterskolen.dk (1)', Server: 'potterskolen.dk', Protokol: SMTP, Svar fra server: '504 5.5.2 <Daniellappy>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname', Port: 25, Sikker (SSL): Nej, Serverfejl: 504, Fejlnummer: 0x800CCC79
[15:31:15] <Danielss89> some of it is in danish
[15:31:19] <Dominian> I have no idea what that says
[15:31:20] <Danielss89> but the errors is danish
[15:31:47] <Danielss89> sorry..
[15:31:53] <Danielss89> i mean the errors is english'
[15:32:06] <Danielss89> <Daniellappy>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname'
[15:32:09] <Dominian> What email clinet are you using?
[15:32:29] <lkthomas> LOL Dominian
[15:32:55] <lkthomas> are you using SASL ?
[15:33:10] <Dominian> Its not SASKL
[15:33:14] <Dominian> er.. SASL causing the issue
[15:33:22] <lkthomas> hmm
[15:33:27] <Dominian> his email client is pushing the name of his laptop as its HELO statement
[15:33:39] <Dominian> and postfix is going "uhh.. i want a FQDN.."
[15:33:44] <Dominian> and kills the connection
[15:33:49] <lkthomas> you have to select SASL enable on your email client
[15:34:30] <Dominian> yes and no
[15:34:36] <Dominian> <Daniellappy>
[15:34:42] <Dominian> as long as THAT is his FQDN ...
[15:34:42] <lkthomas> very obvious the problem is caused by that
[15:34:51] <Dominian> ohh yeah ok
[15:34:56] <Dominian> I see what you're saying
[15:34:57] <Dominian> ignore me
[15:35:00] <lkthomas> heh
[15:35:01] <lkthomas> :)
[15:36:17] <lkthomas> a fucking small pizza cost 14USD
[15:36:21] <lkthomas> damn expensive
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[15:44:17] <xpoint> lkthomas, would you rather die ? :-)
[15:44:28] <lkthomas> LOL
[15:44:41] <lkthomas> I got 6bucks per hour to work here
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[15:44:55] <lkthomas> almost two hours of effort
[15:45:00] <lkthomas> to buy a pizza
[15:45:01] <lkthomas> damn
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[15:57:09] <Dominian> heh
[15:57:11] <Dominian> then..
[15:57:24] <Dominian> I can buy a pizza within 15 mins of walking in the door...
[15:57:53] <Signum> I make pizza myself!
[15:58:11] <Signum> Although that usually makes my wife show up yelling "stop that, let me do that... after all I want to eat it, too"
[16:01:23] <rob0> Clever!
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[16:04:47] <lkthomas> LOL
[16:04:50] <lkthomas> what  a smart way
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[16:12:44] <lkthomas> damn
[16:12:52] <lkthomas> our network engineer is finished with BGP
[16:12:55] <lkthomas> I am going to leave soon
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[16:29:22] <xpoint> lkthomas, ?
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[16:39:54] <Lo-lan-do> Is there a way to use pipe-delivery with virtual_alias_maps, like it can be done with alias_maps?
[16:40:50] <Lo-lan-do> Alternately, is there a way to limit an alias map to one particular domain?
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[17:10:26] <Lo-lan-do> Also, is there a way to debug address rewriting without actually sending email to see where it ends up?
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[17:27:11] <smesjz> Lo-lan-do: sendmail -bv toaddress at domain dot org
[17:28:13] <smesjz> see also: http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html
[17:28:36] <Lo-lan-do> I've tried that, but apparently the results are sent by email.
[17:29:53] <Lo-lan-do> And, well, I'd have liked to get the results right now rather than wait for the mail to go through.
[17:32:20] <Danielss89> hmm im trying to set up my mail server with postfix, dovecot and reads the users with mysql. It seems to work, i can create users with the postfixadmin, and the directories is created in /var/vmail/domain/user
[17:32:46] <Danielss89> and when i send a mail from my gmail, it delivers it to the user, and put the mail in the directory...
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[17:33:09] <Danielss89> im trying with PHP to connect via IMAP but i get these errors: http://mcmoney.dk/test.php
[17:33:56] <Danielss89> is IMAP not working or what is wrong
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[17:40:54] <rob0> That looks like a php coding problem to me. To troubleshoot your imapd, look at its logs.
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[17:41:07] <b52laptop> hello
[17:41:21] <b52laptop> i got a small problem in my postfix setup
[17:41:32] <b52laptop> after restarting postfix and in the logs
[17:41:42] <b52laptop> fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
[17:41:51] <b52laptop> i remove the aliases and create them again
[17:41:55] <b52laptop> buut i got
[17:42:05] <b52laptop> newaliases
[17:42:05] <b52laptop> postalias: fatal: open /etc/aliases: No such file or directory
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[19:23:55] <SiliconG_> I want to add port 587 to my master.cf
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[19:24:23] <many> grep subm master.cf
[19:24:28] <SiliconG_> but I have a few questions - I want to -o and add a few things so is this a valid command?
[19:24:29] <SiliconG_> 127.0.0.1:10587 inet n - - - - smtpd
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[19:25:01] <Dominian> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/137
[19:25:06] <Dominian> That's what mine looks like
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[19:56:18] <Godsey> I'm trying to get postfixadmin working, I have php 5.2.1 and mysql_real_escape_string wants the mysql connection handle
[19:56:25] <Godsey> might anyone know of a patch that fixes this?
[20:02:27] <frennkie> hi guys.. my Server is running in Germany, I do "check_client_access" and in that file I have:
[20:02:38] <frennkie> "/(dsl|dynamic|ppp|dhcp|broadband|cable|dialin|dialup).*..*$/    REJECT"
[20:03:33] <frennkie> could i have your advise if this is too strict and if I maybe could add some strings that identify dynamic ranges..? thx a lot
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[20:08:06] <Signum> frennkie: wouldn't it be easier to use RBLs that explicitly block dialup IPs?
[20:08:23] <Signum> frennkie: besides... ".*..*$" is pretty redundant and can be optimized to "" :)
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[20:09:29] <frennkie> i'm trying to  use a mix.. if i definetly know that "p1234.dialin.t-online.de" is dynamic.. then i can block it before i need to do an external dns lookup
[20:09:49] <frennkie> i also have a few RBL lists
[20:10:04] <frennkie> thx for that hint.. i'll check that expression
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[20:12:08] <SiliconG_> hello postfix guru's - I have a question - I am trying to add 587 to my master.cf
[20:12:37] <Signum> frennkie: I block certain dialups, too. But I would trust your client_access rule.
[20:13:34] <SiliconG_> can I add it in this way 127.0.0.1:10587 inet n - - - - smtpd
[20:13:45] <SiliconG_> I really dont know what to do here
[20:13:57] <frennkie> any hints what strings i could add? maybe there is something that identifys does spammers from china (at least a few ;-))
[20:14:54] <Signum> frennkie: you would need to create a list of asian IP networks. too much work really.
[20:15:10] <SiliconG_> can some one explain me this line "127.0.0.1:10025 inet n - - - - smtpd
[20:15:23] <Signum> frennkie: I block: adsl.hansenet.de, dip.t-dialin.net, dip0.t-dialin.net, dip0.t-ipconnect.de, dyndsl.versatel.nl, serverkompetenz.net
[20:15:30] <Signum> frennkie: that covers most german spam sources
[20:16:02] <Signum> frennkie: And my lines are per ISP so I can give the user helpful information. e.g.: dip.t-dialin.net        REJECT Bitte senden Sie Mails nicht direkt an uns, sondern nutzen Sie den Mail-Relay-Server von T-Online. Danke.
[20:16:16] <Signum> frennkie: or: adsl.hansenet.de REJECT Bitte senden Sie Mails nicht direkt an uns, sondern nutzen Sie den Mail-Relay-Server von Hansenet. Danke.
[20:16:46] <Signum> frennkie: some people are unaware of RBLs or even spam. so they need a hint what to do right. I also name our abuse address in case something goes really wrong.
[20:16:53] <frennkie> that helps a lot. thankx
[20:17:03] <SiliconG_> Signum: I am trying to add port 587 - I have found this -> 587 inet n - - - - smtpd
[20:17:40] <Signum> SiliconG_: what is 587?
[20:18:08] <SiliconG_> port - 587 - but my question is do I need to proceed that with 127.0.0.1:10587 inet n - - - - smtpd
[20:18:42] <SiliconG_> I am trying to make postfix listen on multiple ports
[20:19:26] <Signum> SiliconG_: looks reasonable
[20:19:39] <SiliconG_> which? the second or the first?
[20:20:59] <Signum> SiliconG_: depends on the interfaces you want the port to bound to
[20:21:12] <Signum> SiliconG_: if you just need it locally (localhost) then 127.0.0.1 makes sense
[20:21:31] <Signum> SiliconG_: But 10587 means TCP port 10587. You may mean 127.0.0.1:587
[20:21:46] <SiliconG_> ok
[20:21:47] <frennkie> Signum: I see quite a few ".pool."s in my logs .. would you say it is save to block these?
[20:22:25] <SiliconG_> so then where in the file do I add "587 inet n - - - - smtpd"
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[20:22:37] <SiliconG_> Signum: can I just add that anywhere?
[20:22:50] <Signum> frennkie: might be. I don't know all the DNS entries in the world. :) But it's at "dsl" is a dangerous choice because many leased line companies have that in their DNS names.
[20:22:53] <Signum> SiliconG_: yes
[20:23:12] <Dominian> YOu don't add..
[20:23:15] <Dominian> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/137
[20:23:16] <Dominian> read that
[20:23:27] <Dominian> You don't specify 587 anywhere.. you specify submission
[20:24:22] <Signum> that's just an alias stored in /etc/services...
[20:39:10] <Dominian> true
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[20:47:47] <madclicker> hi, need to convert mbox email to maildir email that already exists
[20:47:57] <madclicker> append
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[20:51:37] <rob0> "Append" in maildir terms is a meaningless concept. But anyway, there are some perl (and probably other) scripts available which do convert to maildir from mbox.
[20:51:54] <rob0> You can also do it with a MUA like mutt or kmail.
[20:52:45] <madclicker> rob0, the users currently have a maildir, i would like to add the old emails from mbox style system
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[21:04:36] <bertrand^> helo
[21:04:48] <bertrand^> is there something wrong having relay_domains = $mydestination ?
[21:11:31] <rob0> Although that's the default setting for relay_domains, yes, it is wrong. It's the default for compatibility with ancient Postfix, where relay_domains had a different meaning.
[21:13:16] <bertrand^> in fact, i've a domain listed in transport_maps
[21:13:34] <bertrand^> whose entry is stmp:some.host:25
[21:13:55] <bertrand^> and i'd like postfix not to check local_recipient_map on it, but forward to the remote host
[21:14:03] <bertrand^> (that's temporary)
[21:14:42] <rob0> The new (not so new, dating back to at least 2.0) meaning is that. A relay_domains listing is where you're the MX but not the final destination, and you'd have a transport_maps listing to get it to the final destination.
[21:14:45] <bertrand^> postfix        2.1.5
[21:15:24] <rob0> local_recipient_maps is for mydestination, whereas relay_recipient_maps does the same thing for relay_domains.
[21:16:17] <rob0> The format differs slightly, however. local_recipient_maps lists only the username. relay_recipient_maps list username@domain (the full email address.)
[21:16:34] <bertrand^> relay_domains = $mydestination
[21:16:40] <bertrand^> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, $transport_maps
[21:16:47] <rob0> ouch
[21:17:15] <rob0> So if you needed a special transport to hotmail.com, you'd treat that as a local destination?
[21:17:39] <bertrand^> well, that's not my config :)
[21:18:02] <bertrand^> hmm, _now_ it's mine, but didn't did it, the guy's gone
[21:18:30] <bertrand^> i guess i can safely remove $transport_maps from mydestination
[21:19:00] <bertrand^> trying, i'll be saved by soft bounce
[21:20:36] * rob0 <3 soft_bounce :)
[21:22:07] <bertrand^> in fact, i'm not sure about these local/virtual stuff
[21:23:09] <rob0> ADDRESS_CLASS_README might help to explain it.
[21:23:40] <bertrand^> reading, thanx
[21:23:52] <bertrand^> removed relay_domains = $mydestination
[21:24:28] <rob0> relay_domains = domain.you.want.to.relay
[21:24:59] <rob0> relay_recipient_maps = hash:/path/to/list/of/addresses
[21:27:20] <bertrand^> so:
[21:27:22] <bertrand^> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain
[21:27:58] <rob0> relay_recipient_maps is technically optional, but if you're going to do it long-term you should have it.
[21:28:05] <bertrand^> transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf
[21:28:13] <rob0> otherwise you will become a backscatter spammer.
[21:28:50] <bertrand^> in this table i have lmtp:127.0.0.1:24 for most domains, smtp:relay.host:25 for the domain i want to relay
[21:29:16] <bertrand^> local_recipient_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-rcpt-maps.cf
[21:29:31] <rob0> transport_maps can indeed be stored in mysql, but it's not considered the best design, because you depend on that always being available.
[21:29:52] <rob0> Unusual to have local_recipient_maps in mysql.
[21:30:05] <bertrand^> yeah, local_recipient_maps don't work anymoer
[21:30:09] <bertrand^> anymore
[21:30:26] <bertrand^> it accepts any user
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[21:31:10] <bertrand^> select count(*) from transport;
[21:31:16] <bertrand^> 7369
[21:31:24] <bertrand^> that's why we're using MySQL :)
[21:32:35] <rob0> Hmmm, when you get up to more than a handful of local domains, it might be time to consider virtual_mailbox_domains .
[21:32:59] <rob0> (I don't say that lightly. I'm a diehard local(8) user.)
[21:33:19] <bertrand^> i guess since i removed $transport_maps from mydestination, local_recipient_maps is not used anymore
[21:35:57] <bertrand^> i don't use local system account for mails at all
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[21:36:27] <Dominian> using virtual mailboxes is easier imo
[21:36:39] <Dominian> Don't need local usernames on the box.
[21:36:49] <Dominian> but then again.. I do hosting only for email/websites so... makes sense for my setup
[21:38:29] <bertrand^> got it
[21:38:52] <bertrand^> i'll keep all my domains in local for now, i'll tidy it up later
[21:39:16] * cpm agrees with Dominian, no reason to have local users on a server, , , at all.
[21:39:26] * Dominian nods
[21:39:29] <cpm> This is the 21st century, you have a *nix desktop simply
[21:39:40] <Dominian> yah
[21:39:47] <bertrand^> the domain i want to temporary forward to another host will be in $relay_domains and $relay_transport
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[21:58:12] <bertrand^> seems to work perfectly, thanx :)
[21:59:14] <bertrand^> off course, i had to remove my realy_domains from $transport_maps
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[22:18:27] <bertrand^> have to go
[22:18:28] <bertrand^> thanx
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[22:34:13] <Danielss89> hmm where is a attached file placed on my server when i recieve a mail with an attachment?? im using postfix and dovecot... and the PEAR NET_POP3 class
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[22:41:07] <eject_ck> Hi all, I'm using postfix with mysql - now need sent copies of incoming letters for some users to their mailboxes at freemails (such yahoo and gmail)
[22:41:25] <eject_ck> how I can do this?
[22:42:20] <Signum> eject_ck: use virtual_alias_maps. use an alias like "original original,copy".
[22:42:31] <eject_ck> Oh
[22:44:17] <eject_ck> insert into alias(address,forward) values('originalmail at mail dot com','originalmail@mail.com,backup@gmail.com');
[22:44:21] <eject_ck> ?
[22:45:06] <Signum> looks good
[22:45:36] <Signum> you can as well insert two rows. values('originalmail at mail dot com','originalmail@mail.com') , ('originalmail at mail dot com','backup@gmail.com')
[22:45:50] <Signum> It's the same for postfix but easier for the database.
[22:46:29] <eject_ck> I can't make two records with same address
[22:46:42] <Signum> why not? wrong indices?
[22:47:07] <eject_ck> mysql> describe alias;
[22:47:08] <eject_ck> +----------+--------------+------+-----+---------------------+-------+
[22:47:08] <eject_ck> | Field    | Type         | Null | Key | Default             | Extra |
[22:47:08] <eject_ck> +----------+--------------+------+-----+---------------------+-------+
[22:47:08] <eject_ck> | address  | varchar(255) | NO   | PRI |                     |       |
[22:47:08] <eject_ck> | goto     | text         | NO   |     |                     |       |
[22:47:09] <eject_ck> | domain   | varchar(255) | NO   |     |                     |       |
[22:47:10] <eject_ck> | created  | datetime     | NO   |     | 0000-00-00 00:00:00 |       |
[22:47:13] <eject_ck> | modified | datetime     | NO   |     | 0000-00-00 00:00:00 |       |
[22:47:15] <eject_ck> | active   | tinyint(1)   | NO   |     | 1                   |       |
[22:47:17] <eject_ck> +----------+--------------+------+-----+---------------------+-------+
[22:47:19] <eject_ck> 6 rows in set (0.02 sec)
[22:47:20] <eject_ck> I have PRI key on it
[22:47:42] <Signum> suggestion: use a numberical index as primary key but no unique index on the address
[22:48:08] <eject_ck> so I must add new field
[22:48:10] <Signum> but if you like you can of course stay with your layout :)
[22:48:18] <Signum> primary keys on strings are generally a bad idea.
[22:48:22] <eject_ck> Signum
[22:48:23] <eject_ck> ok
[22:48:27] <eject_ck> I'll try
[22:48:30] <eject_ck> tnx
[22:48:34] <Signum> You're welcome. :)
[22:56:31] <eject_ck> mysql> describe alias;
[22:56:32] <eject_ck> +----------+------------------+------+-----+---------------------+----------------+
[22:56:32] <eject_ck> | Field    | Type             | Null | Key | Default             | Extra          |
[22:56:32] <eject_ck> +----------+------------------+------+-----+---------------------+----------------+
[22:56:32] <eject_ck> | id       | int(10) unsigned | NO   | PRI | NULL                | auto_increment |
[22:56:32] <eject_ck> | address  | varchar(255)     | NO   |     |                     |                |
[22:56:34] <eject_ck> | goto     | text             | NO   |     |                     |                |
[22:56:36] <eject_ck> | domain   | varchar(255)     | NO   |     |                     |                |
[22:56:39] <eject_ck> | created  | datetime         | NO   |     | 0000-00-00 00:00:00 |                |
[22:56:41] <eject_ck> | modified | datetime         | NO   |     | 0000-00-00 00:00:00 |                |
[22:56:42] <eject_ck> | active   | tinyint(1)       | NO   |     | 1                   |                |
[22:56:44] <eject_ck> +----------+------------------+------+-----+---------------------+----------------+
[22:56:45] <eject_ck> 7 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[22:56:48] <eject_ck> Is this good ?
[22:58:38] * Signum nods
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[23:05:37] <eject_ck> Signum, what I must have in config to allow forward messages to another domains (which I use in alias)
[23:05:38] <eject_ck> Signum, what I must have in config to allow forward messages to another domains (which I use in alias)?
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[23:06:08] <Signum> eject_ck: define virtual_alias_maps as a mysql:... mapping and create a 'cf' file that defines your mysql query
[23:06:32] <Signum> eject_ck: the query is likely: SELECT goto FROM alias WHERE address='%s';
[23:06:59] <eject_ck> I have this
[23:07:11] <eject_ck> I mean main.cf config for resending
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[23:54:56] <Signum> Phew... Signum needs a tutorial writing break.

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