[00:00:08] <Signum> how?
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[00:01:46] <AcidStriker> like this /etc/init.d/postfix restart
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[00:02:18] <Signum> AcidStriker: check your logs again. there must be something there.
[00:02:28] <Signum> AcidStriker: unless you changed your syslog configuration.
[00:02:33] <RedShift> excellent
[00:02:34] <RedShift> it works
[00:02:40] <RedShift> thanks Signum
[00:02:43] <Signum> RedShift: yw
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[00:09:29] <AcidStriker> haven't change the configureation I am usign Ubuntu Server 6.06
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[00:10:41] <AcidStriker> [Signum] I found this on mail.log
[00:11:38] <AcidStriker> daemon started -- version 2.2.10, configuration /etc/postfix
[00:11:45] <AcidStriker> terminating on signal 15
[00:12:08] <AcidStriker> that means the postfix is closed for some reason right?
[00:13:14] <Signum> AcidStriker: yes. but that's very unusual. try purging and reinstalling the postfix package.
[00:13:53] <AcidStriker> if I reinstall the package, the configuration files will be erased?
[00:14:27] <Signum> AcidStriker: only if you purge it. not when you run "aptitude remove postfix && aptitude install postfix"
[00:14:51] <Signum> AcidStriker: Perhaps your configuration is borked, too. Has it ever worked?
[00:16:23] <fholmes_laptop> Crap I am having such a hard time with this security certificate that I purchased from Godaddy.  I am trying to use it for TLS authentication and when I turn it on I get a message saying that it cannot read the file.
[00:16:46] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: did they send you a .crt file?
[00:16:59] <fholmes_laptop> Signum: yes they did
[00:17:16] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: try: "openssl x509 -in the-crt-file -noout -text" and see if openssl is happy with it
[00:17:16] <fholmes_laptop> How can i convert it into a pem file?
[00:17:26] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: it should be a pem file already
[00:17:37] <fholmes_laptop> That's what I thought.  Oh well, let me try that command.
[00:18:35] <fholmes_laptop> Ok, so I did get the same error trying open the file.  So what should I do?
[00:19:41] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: is the first line looking like "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----"?
[00:20:12] <fholmes_laptop> BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY
[00:20:35] <Signum> they sent you a private key? did you ask them to create both the private key and the certificate?
[00:20:41] <AcidStriker> Signum: I start postfix a differetn way and it gave me this
[00:20:42] <AcidStriker> May 15 16:01:07 intranet postfix/master[10089]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 76: bad transport type: cmd="lmtpd"
[00:20:43] <AcidStriker> May 15 16:17:50 intranet postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf differ
[00:20:44] <AcidStriker> May 15 16:17:50 intranet postfix/master[10197]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 76: bad transport type: cmd="lmtpd"
[00:20:45] <AcidStriker> May 15 16:18:14 intranet postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf differ
[00:20:47] <AcidStriker> May 15 16:18:14 intranet postfix/master[10265]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 76: bad transport type: cmd="lmtpd"
[00:20:50] <AcidStriker> May 15 16:18:57 intranet postfix/master[10382]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 76: bad transport type: cmd="lmtpd"
[00:20:59] <hparker> pastebin please
[00:21:02] <hparker> !pastebin
[00:21:03] <knoba> hparker: 'pastebin' : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[00:21:04] <AcidStriker> sorry
[00:21:06] <Signum> AcidStriker: there's your error... bad transport... your config is borked
[00:21:21] <fholmes_laptop> signum:  Good question.  I didn't ask them anything.  they just gave me the files.  let me go double check.
[00:22:05] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: then you should have received two files. the cert. and the key.
[00:22:14] <fholmes_laptop> signum: smtpd_tls_key_file:  Should that be my private key or not?
[00:22:35] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: you can check the key with "openssl rsa -in your-private-key -noout -text"
[00:22:38] <AcidStriker> Signum: This is the line with the problem lmtpunix cmd="lmtpd" listen="/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp" prefork=0 maxchild=20
[00:22:44] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: yes. key = private key
[00:22:56] <Signum> AcidStriker: either the ubuntu package is broken or you broke your config.
[00:23:11] <fholmes_laptop> I think I did get two files, if not I downloaded a second one from their website.  I know I downloaded the root CA file or whatever it should be for the chain deal.
[00:23:12] <Signum> AcidStriker: unless you have changed the configuration already I suggest you purge the package and start from scratch.
[00:23:12] <AcidStriker> do you find something run with that
[00:23:25] <AcidStriker> ok,will do that
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[00:24:07] <fholmes_laptop> Signum:  So running that on the file worked just fine.
[00:24:13] <sn00p-> how do I set up my users without postfixadmin using dovecot and mysql, postfix?
[00:24:59] <fholmes_laptop> sn00p:  You have to know how to do a mysql query and build it yourself.
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[00:25:50] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: then it appears like your files are correct
[00:26:49] <AcidStriker> Signum: Thanks for your help, I comment that line an start postfix, now port 25 is listening
[00:27:36] <Signum> AcidStriker: good :)
[00:27:42] <fholmes_laptop> This is the error in Postfix that I am getting: key values mismatch:/export/builds/onnv_56/usr/src/common/openssl/crypto/x509/x509_cmp.c:399:
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[00:29:05] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: smtpd_tls_cert_file points to the certificate and smtpd_tls_key_file points to the private key?
[00:31:48] <fholmes_laptop> The private key has RSA at the top and the cert file has BEGIN CERTIFICATE at the top.
[00:32:19] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: sounds right
[00:32:44] <fholmes_laptop> The private key is what I generated with openssl to send to Godaddy for them to generate my certificate correct?
[00:33:31] <fholmes_laptop> Or it was created at the same time, but I sent them the signing request.
[00:34:31] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: godaddy shouldn't need your private key. usually you just send a signing request (csr)
[00:35:40] <fholmes_laptop> Generating my private key and the CSR has nothing to do with the fact that I have a CA setup on my local machine as well.
[00:36:32] <Signum> fholmes_laptop: not really. your CA would only be useful if you wanted to sign the certificate with your own CA
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[00:43:19] <fholmes_laptop> signum:  thank you very much for your help.  I am going to try and regenerate the key one more time and see how lucky I get here.
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[00:51:35] <jonez> greetings. I'd like to know if it's practical to store message bodies into a pgsql database via postfix.
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[01:04:46] <fholmes_laptop> signum:  Thanks once again, something somewhere got screwed up.  I regenerated everything and it all works now.
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[01:26:58] <lunaphyte> jonez: http://www.dbmail.org/
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[01:37:40] <ivoks> hellou
[01:39:24] <ivoks> anyone knows is it possible to add custom headers to mail that goes trough postfix, depending on some tests?
[01:40:00] <ivoks> ie, if it is SASL authenticated, add X-SASL: yes
[01:41:17] <Zerberus> yes
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[01:41:49] <ivoks> could you direct me to documentation which i should look at?
[01:42:57] <Zerberus> check_sender_access regexp:/etc/postfix/add_auth_header
[01:43:06] <Zerberus> and in that add_auth_header set
[01:44:12] <Zerberus>   /.*/    PREPEND X-SASL: yes
[01:44:41] <ivoks> thank you
[01:45:08] <rob0> smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header = yes
[01:45:34] <ivoks> heh, even better :)
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[01:55:39] <marcster> hi. i am using postfix 2.2.5. i configured master.cf so that the smtp daemon will run at port 2500, not smtp(25) on /etc/services. Postfix runs fine. But when I reboot, it reverts back to smtp (25). How is this happening?
[01:58:31] <ivoks> what did you do?
[01:58:48] <ivoks> added smtpX to /etc/services and master.cf?
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[02:01:25] <ivoks> you should add '2500 inet n - n - - smtpd' to master.cf, and comment out 'smtp inet n - n - - smtpd'
[02:01:26] <ivoks> that should do it
[02:01:27] <ivoks> or 2500 inet n - - - - smtpd, depending on your setup
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[02:06:59] <marcster> ivoks : thanks
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[02:07:39] <marcster> another daemon is doing the changes, i had to enforce the smtp port on that daemon instead
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[02:10:24] <ivoks> < ivoks> heh, even better :) - if only i would be using 2.3 :)
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[02:26:08] <fietronic> What is the biggest reason for long delays in mail sending?
[02:26:18] <fietronic> Like 3 hours before mail gets sent out.
[02:27:24] <ivoks> misconfiguration?
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[03:06:42] <mirlyn> question:  I'd like to make email "tee" off to a separate script for an autoreply but still deliver to the users mailbox.
[03:07:23] <mirlyn> I got it working while diverting the mail (using virutal_transport), but then it never delivers to the mailbox
[03:07:44] <mirlyn> can someone point me to what I'm looking for?
[03:08:48] <mirlyn> using the mysql-based virtual domain setup via the howto on workaround.org, fyi
[03:09:57] <mirlyn> is there a way to not stop delivery after a particular transport?
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[03:39:10] <foo> Hm, if I have some systems behind round robin DNS... and they send out mail... the hostname per server needs to point back to a subdomain for that particular system, and not to the DNS balanced domain - right?
[03:40:21] <luke-jr> foo: I recommend rephrasing using terms like MX and A records
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[03:42:01] <foo> Ok, I have some systems behind some round robin DNS (3 A records on the same subdomain name), and the 3 different systems send out mail. Does myhostname in the main.cf need to point to the FQDN for that particular system, or can it be for that system behind the round robin?
[03:47:00] * foo thinks that's better
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[04:15:00] <foo> AJ_Z0: yo
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[04:31:04] <mirlyn> any ideas as to why aliases aren't working when using always_bcc to forward to a file?  always bounces with user not found
[04:32:23] <foo> Did you run newaliases?
[04:32:41] <mirlyn> before, no, and I got syslog errors.....after that, errors went away, but still bounces
[04:33:02] <mirlyn> works if aliases are a user, but not if I'm piping to a script
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[04:33:06] <foo> hm
[04:33:14] <mirlyn> nor if I store to a file
[04:33:33] <mirlyn> tried double quotes, singles, none, still not working
[04:33:51] <mirlyn> wondering if it has to do with the user not being in the virtual tables
[04:34:37] <mirlyn> tried using @localhost too
[04:35:12] <mirlyn> in the always_bcc field
[04:35:25] <mirlyn> like it doesn't look at /etc/aliases for the user mapping
[04:38:15] <mirlyn>  to=<|/var/spool/vacation/autoreply at localhost dot localdomain>, orig_to=<autoreply at localhost dot localdomain>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "|/var/spool/vacation/autoreply")
[04:38:26] <mirlyn> so it picks it up, just doesn't deliver it
[04:39:39] <mirlyn> I have append_dot_mydomain set to no, so it shouldn't try to use @localhost.localdomain, right?
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[05:23:15] <pssh> has anyone ever used proxsmtp?
[05:23:24] <pssh> (with postfix)
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[05:25:13] <pssh> well, regardless, basically it takes an incoming message, does whatever i want to with it, in this case filters it, and then injects it back into the queue...
[05:25:40] <pssh> the problem is that it's injecting it back into the queue, but it's not leaving...it's just bouncing internally until it drops
[05:26:10] <pssh> if anyone's available i'll be listening
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[06:40:21] <lkthomas> hey guys
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[06:52:31] <lkthomas> something that is funny
[06:52:44] <lkthomas> when I use maildrop with postfix and create account with postfixadmin
[06:52:54] <lkthomas> postfixadmin will send an email to that new email account
[06:53:00] <lkthomas> how could I make it bypass maildrop ?
[06:54:35] <f3ew> you can't
[06:56:57] <lkthomas> f3ew, so I have to using maildrop to make maildir ?
[06:58:11] <f3ew> yes
[06:59:05] <lkthomas> I try to google around, but can't find a generic maildroprc sample script for maildirmake
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[08:55:16] <lkthomas> guys
[08:55:29] <lkthomas> I am trying to use header_checks to determine which transport map is using
[08:55:37] <lkthomas> anyone got experience with that ?
[08:57:14] <sysmonk> header checks are made before any transport is used, isn't it ?
[08:58:49] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:58:51] <lkthomas> nevermind
[08:58:54] <lkthomas> I think I found the way
[08:59:11] <pssh> sooo...
[08:59:19] <lkthomas> does header_check use heavy resource ?
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[09:00:07] <pssh> i got my mail filtersetup, only it's scanning outbound messages rather than inbound...i've ben working on this since 8am...can anyone point me in the right direction
[09:01:36] <pssh> ?
[09:01:38] <lkthomas> you could just put content_filter
[09:01:41] <lkthomas> in main.cf
[09:03:24] <lkthomas> pssh, do you read me ?
[09:03:33] <pssh> yeah
[09:03:42] <lkthomas> it will scan in and out email
[09:04:01] <pssh> i have it set to do that though...
[09:04:06] <lkthomas> you could just make it working first
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[09:04:08] <lkthomas> then
[09:04:11] <lkthomas> goto master.cf
[09:04:24] <lkthomas> I think you could specific outbound email to be scan
[09:04:25] <pssh> content_filter = filter:[127.0.0.1]:10025
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[09:04:33] <lkthomas> by -o content_filter=
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[09:04:54] <lkthomas> did you define "filter" in master.cf ?
[09:05:09] <pssh> http://www.pastebin.ca/490760
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[09:06:27] <lkthomas> seems no problem
[09:06:43] <lkthomas> turn on amavis to check out if postfix actually inject into amavis first
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[09:06:50] <ALVAN> hi all
[09:06:57] <pssh> lkthomas: i don't have it installed
[09:06:58] <lkthomas> pssh, dude
[09:06:59] <ALVAN> hwo can i set the postfix log file path ?
[09:07:13] <pssh> ?
[09:07:26] <lkthomas> pssh, so how do you expect it will working ?
[09:07:35] <pssh> i'm not using amavis
[09:07:38] <lkthomas> pssh: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/
[09:09:14] <lkthomas> pssh, so what the hell are you using
[09:09:25] <lkthomas> 1002x port is for amavis
[09:09:32] <pssh> lkthomas: i dunno man, i pretty much have this filter setup the way i want it...i know i could integrate clamav or amavis into it just fine...it's just that the filter is scanning outbound messges, rather than inbound...it's a gateway for multiple domains
[09:09:47] <pssh> proxsmtp + spamassassin
[09:09:54] <lkthomas> can't help you
[09:09:59] <lkthomas> I don't use such setup
[09:10:00] <pssh> it allows me to use shell scripts to customize the filtering process
[09:10:08] <lkthomas> proxsmtp ?
[09:10:25] <pssh> yeah...
[09:10:29] <lkthomas> not sure then
[09:10:42] <pssh> http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/software/proxsmtp/proxsmtpd.html
[09:11:14] <lkthomas> pssh, we have some more complex setup than yours
[09:11:27] <pssh> lol
[09:11:55] <lkthomas> pssh, without these smtpd proxy, you could just use postfix itself to deal with everything
[09:12:12] <lkthomas> you could just setup a bash script as a pipe daemon
[09:12:26] <lkthomas> then, inject from postfix to a daemon which  defined in master.cf
[09:12:26] <pssh> that's sorta how this works
[09:12:40] <lkthomas> I wouldn't trust those proxy thing
[09:12:49] <lkthomas> because it is not popular at all
[09:12:54] <lkthomas> might crash due to bugs
[09:13:01] <lkthomas> try to avoid that as possible as you can
[09:14:14] <ALVAN> lkthomas, is a line in main.cf were i can define the postfix maillog path ? i dont see it :P
[09:15:29] <pssh> lkthomas: regardless though, it's not the proxsmtp, it's postfix that's handling the message incorrectly
[09:15:48] <pssh> even if i turn it off and go back to normal, it;s the way it's handling the relaying
[09:15:53] <pssh> or has something to do with that
[09:18:51] <lkthomas> pssh, sorry man, can't help you
[09:19:08] <lkthomas> ALVAN, check syslog.conf
[09:19:21] <lkthomas> ALVAN, it does not related with postfix itself, but syslog
[09:19:54] <ALVAN> well i like to avoid syslog
[09:20:12] <pssh> heh, alright then
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[09:26:53] <ALVAN> i guess i must use syslog .. i dont have a  /var/log/maillog file
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[09:35:11] <lkthomas> ALVAN, you define where is the maillog goes on syslog.conf
[09:36:56] <ALVAN> lkthomas, oki
[09:37:17] <pssh> lkthomas: ok, so i'm using transport maps to point multiple domains that this server is a relay for to an smtp server where user auth and delivery etc is going down, but what's happening is it's working fine as far as sending mail out goes - it's allowing the domains to relay TO it, but postfix is not relaying to the smtp server....like, domain1.tld has an mx record pointing to ares.domain2.tld.  in my transport file i have domain1.tld pointing to th
[09:37:44] <pssh> err smtp.domain2.tld*
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[09:44:35] <pssh> lkthomas: did that totally confuse you, or did i explain it coherently
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[10:57:17] <lkthomas> pssh, sorry, I am busy to deal with cabling now
[10:59:19] <pssh> lkthomas: s'ok...i figured out the problem...
[10:59:28] <pssh> my dewp of a boss gave me the wrong ip
[11:00:25] <lkthomas> LOL
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[11:10:28] <pssh> lkthomas: yeah, lollerboner for sure
[11:10:34] <pssh> ...on your end atleast
[11:10:39] <pssh> ;)
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[11:21:08] <skar> hi, if i add "domain.com permit" in access maps, it should allow mails from hosts named *.domain.com as well if the from is *.domain.com ?
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[11:30:16] <ALVAN> where should i set postfix to allow relaying ..mynetworks ??? or is not enough
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[11:32:43] <f3ew> permit_mynetworks in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[11:33:00] <f3ew> skar if you put that in a check_client_access
[11:33:51] <skar> f3ew: i've smtpd_client_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access
[11:33:58] <skar> f3ew: is that enough?
[11:34:03] <f3ew> no
[11:34:13] <f3ew> in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[11:34:58] <skar> f3ew: why in recipient, client level itself, i can allow these domains?
[11:35:00] <ALVAN> f3ew, so if i set in mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/32 ,  and serverip/32   then i can connect using outlook to send email ???
[11:35:05] <ALVAN> btw smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination
[11:35:11] <ALVAN> so the erro is the same
[11:35:56] <f3ew> ALVAN, the IP of the machine running Outlook
[11:37:34] <ALVAN> f3ew, and if i want from any ip that pass authentification
[11:37:35] <ALVAN> what should i set ? and i must uncomment the mynetworks line  ?
[11:39:12] <ALVAN> by default i see in my case is rejecting anyone
[11:39:27] <ALVAN>  i want to allow outlook from any ip that pass authentification
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[11:49:23] <skar> f3ew: why in smtpd_recipient_restrictions, why not in smtpd_client_restrictions level itself, i can allow these domains?
[11:49:47] <skar> f3ew: any place where i can read more on these recipient, sender, client restrictions at smtpd
[11:50:19] <f3ew> moment
[11:51:00] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html
[11:51:44] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/uce.html
[11:52:19] <xpoint> skar, client is ip not domains
[11:52:31] <ALVAN> f3ew, also do you know  why this could happen " lost connection after RSET from unknown[serverip] "
[11:52:57] <ALVAN> or  lost connection after DATA from unknow[serverip] "
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[11:53:09] <xpoint> ALVAN, spammers bad software
[11:53:09] <skar> xpoint: so in client restrictions only ip based permit/rejects can be done, while in recipient/sender smtpd restrictions i can do both ip/domain/host based permit/reject?
[11:53:36] <xpoint> skar, yes
[11:53:53] <ALVAN> xpoint,  well i am using sugarcrm to send emails ..so i dont think is that right now
[11:54:00] <xpoint> sender is not ip, recipient
[11:54:15] <ALVAN> xpoint,  is a php application
[11:54:19] <xpoint> sorry my cat pressed enter :-)
[11:54:39] <skar> xpoint: i've access file, and it is invoked as "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access etc"
[11:54:40] <ALVAN> it uses the path to sendmail to send //:)
[11:55:26] <skar> xpoint: but a domain permitted in the access still gets " 554 5.7.1 <domain[ip]>: Client host rejected: Access denied;
[11:56:20] <xpoint> skar, why do you put sender restrictions in recipient stage ?
[11:56:39] <ALVAN> xpoint, also do you know how what should i set for outlook from any ip that pass authentification to allow relaying
[11:56:42] <skar> xpoint: followed some tutorial and it said so, and it worked ;)
[11:57:13] <xpoint> ALVAN, yes outlook supports smtp auth, use it
[11:57:21] <skar> ALVAN: if smtp-auth is done by outlook, i've got "smtpd_recipient_restrictions =        permit_sasl_authenticated, etc"
[11:58:05] <ALVAN> ah ok
[11:58:10] <xpoint> skar, guides is made of humans, humans sometimes makes errors :-)
[11:58:23] <skar> xpoint: yup agreed
[11:58:54] <skar> xpoint: still at recipient level smtpd checks, i can permit based on senders(though at sender level would be better)?
[11:59:54] <xpoint> ALVAN, you have to permit_sasl_authenticated in every stage to make postfix know that you dont want any restrictions on smtp auth
[12:00:25] <xpoint> skar, i keep ever sender restrictions in sender stage
[12:00:52] <skar> xpoint: u mean sender checks in sender restrictions, recip in recip restrictions and so on?
[12:01:16] <xpoint> most guides have all in recipient stage, with out any good reason :-)
[12:01:33] <xpoint> skar, yes
[12:01:35] <ALVAN> xpoint, i did not configure many times postfix mostlfy for basic usage  ...where else should i allow it ?
[12:02:44] <xpoint> ALVAN, just in every smtpd_*_recipient stage, if you have other access restriction in other stages for non authed
[12:03:03] <skar> xpoint: i think, i found the problem, that particular domain uses tls to connect to my server, so in tls mode it gets the "Client host rejected: Access denied" while in non-tls mode, the permit in access map comes in
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[12:03:21] <skar> xpoint: how to enable access for tls connections too?!?
[12:03:47] <xpoint> skar, yes this is needed for smtp auth
[12:04:15] <skar> xpoint: the domain.com server is just using tls, its a remote server and an external domain, so its just relaying, using tls mode
[12:04:23] <ALVAN> skar, smtp_use_tls = yes i think
[12:04:55] <ALVAN> skar, and dont forget to set the certs ..
[12:05:41] <ALVAN> postconf  |grep tls  for other tls options
[12:06:26] <skar> ALVAN: isn't smtp_use_tls for outgoing mails?!?
[12:07:02] <f3ew> yes
[12:07:20] <f3ew> !cheatsheet
[12:07:20] <knoba> f3ew: 'cheatsheet' : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[12:07:24] <f3ew> !smtpd_delay_reject
[12:07:25] <knoba> f3ew: 'smtpd_delay_reject' : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Wait until the RCPT TO command before evaluating $smtpd_client_restrictions, $smtpd_helo_restrictions and $smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[12:07:29] <f3ew> xpoint see those docs
[12:07:39] <f3ew> Also see http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html
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[12:09:36] <skar> f3ew: thanks that seems useful
[12:10:02] <skar> now, i've got "smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = noanonymous" it this the problem why remote domains can't send mails thru tls?!?!
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[12:16:35] <ALVAN> f3ew, ok  i will set for the momment smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no and smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = no
[12:16:44] <ALVAN> but after postfix reload
[12:16:53] <ALVAN> i still got the relaying problem
[12:18:17] <ALVAN> NOQUEUE: reject: RCP
[12:18:17] <ALVAN> T from Relay access denied
[12:19:07] <ALVAN> where else this relay is set ..hm when i use email server i always have relay problems
[12:20:55] <ALVAN> i have virtual mailboxes too must i enable something for them too if i want relay
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[12:29:40] <skar> hi all, my server permits mails from domain.com, but if domain.com uses tls to send the mail, it rejects the mail saying "Client host rejected: Access denied;" with a 554 5.7.1 error code, any ideas to change this behavior so that access map settings are used for tls connections also
[12:30:02] <skar> or use tls for client auth only and not for receiving from remote servers
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[13:19:26] <bishillo> Hi!
[13:20:15] <bishillo> It's possible to filter mails using a blacklist like spamhaus, but using the IP found in the "Received" headers???
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[13:21:05] <bishillo> Our server is in a spanish university. The port 25 is closed, so all email goes trought university servers
[13:21:37] <bishillo> and they are way too much permisive, almost no filters... is horrible to accept all incoming mail and trying to filter it
[13:21:52] <bishillo> instead of using spamhaus + greylisting
[13:21:56] <Signum> bishillo: amavis does that and checks all hosts in the Received: history if they are in common blacklists.
[13:22:15] <Signum> bishillo: That won't block off the mail at the gateway but you can tag those mails as spam at least.
[13:22:18] <bishillo> aham... but our problem is that amavis is too slow
[13:22:23] <bishillo> :/
[13:22:28] <Signum> Then you are out of luck.
[13:23:04] <bishillo> It will be nice to extract the real IP of the sender to the university servers, and use it for a fast spamhaus check...
[13:23:15] <bishillo> ok... thanks anyway
[13:23:25] <sysmonk> bishillo: write your own app
[13:23:26] <bishillo> I hate our university sysadmins
[13:23:35] <sysmonk> wich gets the headers, and checks the spamhaus
[13:23:37] <bishillo> they are lammers
[13:23:40] <bishillo> hummm
[13:23:53] <bishillo> it could make the job, yeah...
[13:24:09] <bishillo> which could be the best way of integrating a script?
[13:24:16] <sysmonk> or use amavisd, and disable alllll checks except rbl
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[13:24:24] <bishillo> programing something like amavis will be too much for me
[13:24:37] <sysmonk> bishillo: lots of, the simplest would be piping to a command :)
[13:24:47] <bishillo> sysmonk: I already thought that... but we also need other filters...
[13:24:58] <bishillo> I was trying to configure two amavis on the same machine
[13:25:13] <bishillo> but it's a bit hard and heavy in memory
[13:25:16] <bishillo> :/
[13:25:21] <Lubomir> hello. i have a problem, that 2 user should got a mail from one person. one user got the mail.the other dont get it. where could the problem be?
[13:25:32] <sysmonk> amavisd is sure heavy on memory, but hey - that's the cost of antispam! :)
[13:25:44] <bishillo> sysmonk: the pipe thing will be a filter? How you set that?
[13:25:50] <sysmonk> Lubomir: loot at the logs
[13:26:26] <bishillo> Lubomir: it's an alias?
[13:26:59] <sysmonk> bishillo: i don't use anything like that, but i'm sure it's possible
[13:27:11] <sysmonk> i remember that somebody did something like that
[13:27:46] <bishillo> I will search for filters... a program that parses an specified Received line (the one added by university servers) couldn't be so hard
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[13:31:27] <Lubomir> i am looking at the logs...
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[13:48:04] <Lubomir> sysmonk,bishillo, there is no mistake ^^. i found out that that is a normal pop3 accound and not imap like our other accounts. the reason is, that when one person take the mails, they are not any longer on the server.then its normal,that the other do not get the mail
[13:48:36] <bishillo> Lubomir: true
[13:48:41] <bishillo> you should use an alias
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[13:49:07] <bishillo> or use some kind of redirection once received, for the first user
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[13:53:54] <tartar420> what is the minimum size of RAM to run Postfix ?
[13:54:12] <tartar420> i need it on a VPS
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[13:59:07] <bishillo> tartar420: ram usage is very low
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[13:59:22] <tartar420> please some numbers :-)
[13:59:31] <bishillo> you could just limit the number of concurrent deliveries
[13:59:36] <tartar420> is 64 enough ?
[13:59:43] <bishillo> sure
[14:00:25] <bishillo> You will have more problems with pop/imaps clients
[14:01:58] <Lubomir> bishillo, i also can make a second mail adress and configure it like that, that when a mail come to the one mail adress,it make a copy to the other, right?
[14:01:59] <bishillo> or antispam tools
[14:02:00] <bishillo> but just local delivery, specially with maildir, will be no problem
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[14:02:59] <bishillo> You could set an alias alias at domain dot tld: user1, user2
[14:03:29] <bishillo> or, if you use some delivery agent that handles rules
[14:03:37] <bishillo> add the redirection there
[14:03:54] <bishillo> (procmailrc, .forward)
[14:06:01] <bishillo> sysmonk: Strange... I'm getting a "warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)"
[14:06:17] <bishillo> but the configuration is ok...
[14:06:36] <bishillo> the postfix user can connect using that socket, I have tried by hand
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[14:12:50] <ALVAN> does someone knows what else i must set for sasl authentifiaction
[14:13:30] <ALVAN> i have smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes ....smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[14:13:42] <ALVAN> and smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination
[14:14:02] <ALVAN> testsaslauthd works ok  .....0: OK "Success."
[14:14:06] <bishillo> you need a openssl key/certificate too
[14:14:18] <ALVAN> but in posix i have errros
[14:14:34] <ALVAN> like  SASL PLAIN authentication failed
[14:14:56] <ALVAN> bishillo, it does not ask for a certificate
[14:15:14] <ALVAN> adn i have a .key and .crt certs there
[14:15:26] <bishillo> smtpd_sasl_type?
[14:15:56] <bishillo> postfix usually needs courier or dovecot...
[14:16:12] <xpoint> ALVAN, testsaslauth is good sign of you have something to work, but are postfix using saslauthd in smtpd.conf ?
[14:16:24] <ALVAN> i did not  set  smtpd_sasl_type
[14:16:31] <ALVAN> i have dovecot
[14:16:56] <bishillo> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[14:16:56] <bishillo> smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no
[14:16:56] <bishillo> smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
[14:16:56] <bishillo> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[14:16:56] <bishillo> smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
[14:16:56] <bishillo> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
[14:17:02] <xpoint> ALVAN, is postfix compiled to dovecut sasl ?
[14:17:31] <ALVAN> postfix -A does not work  i donr know exactly
[14:17:31] <bishillo> You need to specify that you want to use dovecot (who is the one that knows about passwords, postfix only knows mailboxes)
[14:17:45] <ALVAN> postconf | grep sasl shows some options
[14:20:55] <ALVAN> i have smtpd_sasl_application_name = smtpd ..it should not be smtpd_sasl_application_name = saslauthd
[14:21:03] <ALVAN> i don have any smtpd.conf
[14:21:28] <bishillo> ALVAN: smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
[14:21:41] <ALVAN> set it still does not work
[14:21:42] <bishillo> That way you will be using dovecot for checking the passwords
[14:22:01] <bishillo> set debug on dovecot, so you can see what is doing
[14:22:16] <rob0> The whole thing is documented, including dovecot.conf sample excerpt, in SASL_README.
[14:22:18] <bishillo> have you tried pop3 login with dovecot?
[14:22:22] <bishillo> it works?
[14:22:29] <ALVAN> bishillo, works
[14:22:44] <ALVAN> dovecot works ok
[14:24:10] <bishillo> set debug, and try again, to check if it's receiving the connection login data
[14:24:17] <ALVAN> ok
[14:24:59] <bishillo> You may need also smtpd_tls_auth_only=no, or it will only allow sasl under ssl
[14:25:34] <ALVAN> problem is i am using shadow sasl authentification
[14:25:43] <ALVAN> using saslauthd
[14:25:56] <ALVAN> but posix still search unable to open Berkeley db /opt/csw/etc/sasldb2
[14:26:20] <rob0> So you didn't look at SASL_README at all?
[14:26:54] <ALVAN> rob0, you mean http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl yes i did
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[14:28:06] <rob0> Wrong anchor. Client SASL is a different thing ... for sending mail out.
[14:28:07] <ALVAN> oki will configure the dovecot part
[14:28:50] <ALVAN> but i would like to work without dovecot ...my config so i understand what am i missing there
[14:29:14] * cpm sets the rob0 anchor
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[14:29:58] <cpm> oh no!
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[14:31:26] <skar> hi, how do i whitelist all mails from citicorp.com to addresses in mydomain list?
[14:33:11] <rob0> Throw a man a phish, someone clears out his bank account. Teach a man to phish, someone throws him in jail!
[14:36:31] <rob0> If you're serious (I suppose so), I would recommend contacting Citibank and find out if there's a safe way to whitelist them ... they're one of the most maliciously forged sender domains, you know.
[14:37:24] <rob0> My little joke was intended to point out the foolishness of relying on @citicorp.com sender addresses as being trustworthy.
[14:37:53] * rob0 throws cpm a phish
[14:38:31] <cpm> hmmmm, tasty!
[14:38:38] * cpm gives all his accounts to rob0
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[14:44:18] <f3ew> lol
[14:47:27] <bishillo> citicorp.com doesn't even have MX... XDDD
[14:48:10] <bishillo> with that sort of admins... it will be hard to determine the right origin for citicorp mails
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[14:55:37] <debuggerboy> Is postfix by default a open relay mail server?
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[15:26:39] <Trollinator> hi, what principal do i need to add to my kerberos database to enable sasl authentication via gssapi in postfix?
[15:31:23] <ALVAN> how can i set the smtpd.conf path for postfix  ???i am using solaris and default posix  config is  in /opt/csw/etc/postifx/
[15:31:55] <ALVAN> i think psotfix try to use sasl2 and i want saslauthd
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[15:36:45] <ph1zzle> morning everyone
[15:37:17] <ph1zzle> I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I tell if I have mbox or maildir running on my system?
[15:40:07] <ALVAN> ph1zzle, maildir is located mostly in /home/$USER/Maildir  or /home/$user/.Maildir
[15:41:04] <ph1zzle> so if I have /var/mail/<user> it's mbox?
[15:41:14] <ALVAN> yeap
[15:42:18] <ph1zzle> ah, thanks
[15:42:30] <ph1zzle> and what creates the mail? is that done by postfix?
[15:43:03] <Dominian> yes
[15:43:16] <ph1zzle> ok
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[15:49:35] <ALVAN> how can i check where postfix is looking for the smtpd.conf path ???
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[15:50:24] <Dominian> smtpd.conf?
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[15:50:31] <Dominian> wtf you talkinga bout? heh
[15:50:36] <Dominian> ALVAN: check main.cf
[15:50:55] <ph1zzle> hmmlol
[15:52:02] <ALVAN> Dominian, well crap ..smtpd.conf is used for sasl authentifications
[15:52:24] <Dominian> really?
[15:52:26] <Dominian> interesting
[15:52:29] <Dominian> I don't use one and use SASL
[15:53:12] <ph1zzle> I am a little confused here, I am trying to setup dovecot and postfix, postfix is saving my mail to /var/mail/jetole, I told dovecot my mail is in /var/mail/jetole and dovecot is trying to access /var/mail/jetole/inbox and complaining it's not a directory, which it isn't, it's a text mailbox, but dovecot seems to assume there is a directory there, is it possible for me to setup postfix so that it starts storing mail in this format?
[15:53:22] <ALVAN> smtpd.conf is for  the SALS options
[15:53:27] <ph1zzle> ALVAN, what distro?
[15:53:38] <ALVAN> SunOS 5.11
[15:53:44] <ph1zzle> eek
[15:53:56] <Dominian> ack
[15:53:59] * Dominian hides
[15:54:10] <ALVAN> and Dominian i must set the shadow sasl mechanism
[15:54:12] <ph1zzle> lol, I have played with sun a few times, I don't think it liked my x86 based hardware too much
[15:54:24] <ph1zzle> syn/ack
[15:54:27] <ph1zzle> fin
[15:55:34] <ALVAN> by default posix is lookoing for some strnage sasldb2 authentification and dont want this
[15:55:35] * ph1zzle tries to remember what the sun based theme I used on gnome some 10 years ago was based off of
[15:55:39] <ph1zzle> cgwd I beleive
[15:56:25] <ph1zzle> so um, I hate to interrupt, but is it possible for me to tell postfix to store mail in a different directory?
[15:56:42] <f3ew> yes
[15:56:43] <Dominian> yes
[15:57:00] <ph1zzle> could you guys just tell me the config name so I can man page it please?
[15:57:13] * ph1zzle prepares to rtfm
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[16:01:56] <mordaunt> Command output: /usr/local/bin/maildrop:    Unable to open mailbox.   <-- this error spontaneously started appearing for one user
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[16:02:13] <mordaunt> it's virtual mailbox
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[16:06:16] <rob0> ph1zzle: if you're using local delivery, "man local"
[16:06:53] <ph1zzle> thanks rob0
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[16:11:50] <rob0> ph1zzle: there are also hyperlinked HTML versions of all the man pages and README documents. See your $html_directory .
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[16:12:49] <rob0> i.e., in local.8.html you will have a link to postconf.5.html#home_mailbox
[16:12:55] <mordaunt> hey guys i don't know if anyone answered my earlier question. i was disconnected for a bit :\
[16:13:01] <sparrw> I want SASL authenticated users, with no other qualifications, to skip content filtering.  Is this possible in postfix?  Easy?
[16:13:33] <f3ew> use the submission port, no content_filter value
[16:14:11] <mordaunt> (temporary failure. Command output: /usr/local/bin/maildrop: Unable to open mailbox.) <-- this error spontaneously started appearing for one user (virtual mailbox)
[16:14:30] <rob0> I thought I/we answered that yesterday? Don't use content_filter, use an access(5) FILTER target for mail/spam from the outside.
[16:15:12] <rob0> Separation of MSA from MTA as f3ew suggests is really the best solution.
[16:15:27] <sparrw> f3ew: them using a different port would fall under "other qualifications"
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[16:18:03] <sparrw> "Hi, I'm Bob.  Here's my ID".   "Sorry Bob, we see you' work here, but since you came in the wrong door you're still subject to a cavity search."
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[16:18:46] <mordaunt> lol sparrw
[16:18:59] <sparrw> not funny from where im sitting
[16:19:34] <mordaunt> ;)
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[16:24:15] <craigbass1976> Can you run postfix without dns?
[16:24:33] <rob0> !standard
[16:24:33] <knoba> rob0: 'standard' : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[16:24:55] <craigbass1976> rob0, thanks
[16:25:10] <rob0> In a word, yes
[16:25:15] <sparrw> mordaunt: im serious.  postfix is the only part of my mail handlng chain that knows about authentication, it seems obvious that it should be able to use that information to skip/change filtering.  its a trivial task in exim, not that that matters.
[16:25:39] <sparrw> mordaunt: whats worse, there are snippets online that seem to indicate that it IS possible, but i cant make sense of them
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[16:27:05] <eject_ck> Hi all
[16:27:16] <rob0> If sparrw is serious: FILTER_README.html#remote_only
[16:27:17] <craigbass1976> rob0, Postfix on hosts without a real Internet hostname?
[16:27:39] <rob0> craigbass1976, was that what you meant?
[16:27:52] <craigbass1976> I think so.
[16:28:06] <rob0> My 2c on that ... why not just get a dynamic DNS hostname and host it?
[16:28:21] * cpm gets a dynamic rob0
[16:28:50] <sparrw> rob0: remote_only doesn't help, my auth users are local and/or remote
[16:29:01] <craigbass1976> The customer has a weird firewqall  setup and doesn't want very many ports open at all, and as few servers as possible
[16:29:19] <craigbass1976> dyndns is an idea...
[16:30:12] <sparrw> craigbass1976: postfix doesnt require a domain.  its been years since i set it up, but my MTA at home behind a NAT doesn't have an external IP and just has a few ports forwarded to it
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[16:38:28] <hparker> lol
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[16:43:18] * Dominian starts blasting Metallica and cooking eggs and bacon with lots of grease in it...
[16:43:40] <hparker> mmMmm....
[16:44:00] <Dominian> To fix the hangover, drink another beer.
[16:44:14] <hparker> Yup
[16:46:56] <craigbass1976> hparker, are we related?  You from Maine?
[16:47:07] <craigbass1976> The beer and the last name makes me wonder...
[16:47:57] <hparker> hehe.. Might be, though my parents are from OK
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[16:52:47] <craigbass1976> And my uncle is named Harland, but I didn't think I'd ever run into him in a postfix chat...
[16:53:30] <debuggerboy> is there any build of Postfix with MySQL based Virtual Users and Virtual Domains?
[16:53:53] <jMCg> I have... a problem. I have to configure two smtp servers so that they are ... basically.. synchronized [and/or can be loadbalanced]
[16:54:05] <rob0> debuggerboy: that sounds like an OS question. Not knowing what OS you mean, can't answer.
[16:54:10] <jMCg> debuggerboy: many distros offer packages of that kind.
[16:54:16] <debuggerboy> Im using FC6
[16:54:45] <hparker> craigbass1976: Close, Homer
[16:54:49] <rob0> Not sure if we have any FC people here.
[16:55:01] <hparker> debuggerboy: Look into Simon Mudd's RPMs
[16:55:08] <debuggerboy> So wht distro's u maily prefer?
[16:55:16] <hparker> Might have to use the srpm though
[16:55:49] <debuggerboy> Which distro is good for Postfix + mysql -virtual users?
[16:55:54] <rob0> Any Linux or *BSD should be fine with Postfix.
[16:56:10] <hparker> Whichever you're most comfortable with.. Well, except 'doze ;)
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[16:56:19] <jMCg> debuggerboy: or ask yum....
[16:56:52] <debuggerboy> yum... Im not sures?
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[16:58:21] <Alumin> is it possible to generate a delivery report to stdout instead of having postfix email the results (ie, what you get with "sendmail -bv")
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[16:59:19] <Dominian> I use logwatch myself
[16:59:23] <Dominian> other than that I'm not sure.
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[16:59:45] <craigbass1976> hparker, :)
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[17:01:10] <Alumin> just seems like unnecessary overhead to email the result when it could just print it...especially if the problem is with mail delivery to the user who would receive the message :P
[17:01:39] <hparker> Just run your tool in the console
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[17:03:42] <debuggerboy> One more help! I m telnet'ing to my postfix server (localhost:25) my domain name is @kodiyansystems.com  while issuing rcpt to: command.. it accepts any recepient like... ad at asd dot net.... I dont want other domains... how can I block this? Where should I do this in main.cf?
[17:04:06] <rob0> !basic
[17:04:07] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:04:23] <rob0> debuggerboy: ^^ see the #relay_from anchor
[17:04:41] <hparker> Also, don't test from mynetwroks
[17:05:32] * cpm doesn't test from hparker's networks
[17:06:30] <jMCg> I have to configure two smtp servers so that they are ... basically.. synchronized [and/or can be loadbalanced] <- any idea if/how this is possible with Postfix [which has been the server of choice for this project]
[17:06:58] <debuggerboy> Thanx friends.. I think  http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html  i should read this first...
[17:07:20] <debuggerboy> ok bye.. let me read it.. and be back..
[17:07:52] <hparker> jMCg: Loadbalance via equal MX records.. Sync.. Either rsync or sql
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[17:09:34] <jMCg> hparker: yeah.. basically.. those are the ideas.. none of which are really client friendly. We even thought about an NFS share [on a Vertas Cluster or on ZFS...] -- but this could cause some issues with the servers creating files....
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[17:11:04] <sepski> jMCg, what do you mean client friendly ? the smtp servers should never talk to clients realy
[17:12:15] <hparker> rob0: http://xkcd.com/c262.html
[17:13:51] <jMCg> sepski: sorry.. I was actually talking about the client applications.
[17:13:57] <sepski> if you want to loadbalance imap or pop3 servers (load balance  client connections) you can use lvs (linux virtual server loadbalancing)
[17:14:17] <sepski> clients sould send mail using submission, and not talk to smtp servers at all :) (i wish)
[17:14:19] <jMCg> sepski: I'm running on Solaris.
[17:14:47] <jMCg> sepski: I also wish they would send it via submission... unfortunately the requirement is NO SSL, NO TLS.
[17:14:53] <sepski> any off the shelf loadbalancer should be able to deal with imap/pop3
[17:15:12] <jMCg> sepski: but what would the backend look like?
[17:15:24] <sepski> but those should realy be different servers then the smtp servers
[17:15:36] <jMCg> They run in different Zones.
[17:15:39] <sepski> jMCg, a san or a nas is fine
[17:15:40] <jMCg> So basically they are.
[17:15:50] <jMCg> Hm
[17:16:35] <sepski> all smtp servers deliver to maildir, sane to keep the mx servers and the client mail sending servers separate.
[17:16:47] <sepski> and imap and pop3 for grabbing the mail from the maildir.
[17:19:54] <jMCg> aehmpfes.
[17:20:14] <jMCg> Need more coffee.
[17:22:15] <sparrw> f3ew: since I am convinced it is possible, I will just ask every few days and hope to find someone who has done it.
[17:24:53] <cpm> sparrw, why not take your question to the mailing list?
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[17:37:03] <sparrw> cpm: not a big fan of mailing lists, too cluttery if they are active, worthless if they arent.
[17:37:22] <sparrw> the worst features of a forum and irc mixed together
[17:37:29] <sparrw> (yes, i know they predate both)
[17:37:51] <sparrw> new question, though  :)
[17:38:21] <sparrw> can i tell the filename (a number followed by a dot) an email was placed under in /var/spool/imap/user/whoever/ from my mail logs?
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[17:46:41] <sasch> can check my postconf output ...
[17:46:42] <sasch> http://pastebin.ca/491284
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[17:47:07] <sasch> beacause my postfix recevie post and delivery any mail in virtual mailbox ... but don't send
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[17:48:09] <hparker> Logs would probably be mor euseful
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[17:49:31] <mindcooker> hi..
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[17:50:27] <mindcooker> postfixadmin is giving this message "You have reached your limit to create mailboxes!"
[17:50:32] <mindcooker> where do I fix this?
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[17:50:57] <sasch> You have reached your limit to create mailboxes! -> look the domain and the limit of mailbox
[17:51:03] <sasch> set to 0 for unlimited
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[17:52:33] <mindcooker> sasch it always put "10" as default
[17:52:42] <mindcooker> even if I change to "0"
[17:52:50] <rob0> sparrw: I know what would work. There's no check_sasl_access so you can't easily use a FILTER action directly. But a simple policy service could do this. The framework, if not the specific task itself, is already written. I'd look at policyd.sourceforge.net and maybe ask Cami.
[17:53:23] <sasch> when I try to send any mail postfix say this
[17:53:25] <sasch> http://pastebin.ca/491289
[17:53:26] <sasch> why ???
[17:53:32] <sasch> i recevie mail !!
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[17:54:27] <rob0> SMTPD_POLICY_README.html describes the protocol. See the sasl_* attributes.
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[17:54:42] <sparrw> rob0: you lost me at "FILTER action"
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[17:55:31] <gpled> what is this trying to tell me?
[17:55:32] <gpled> warning: /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
[17:56:01] <cpm> what is the line before that?
[17:56:05] <gpled> also seeing this: warning: process /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 26713 exit status 1
[17:56:12] <rob0> sparrw: you're going to have to do some work. No one will hand you a solution to this. I pointed you to documents that describe how it can be done.
[17:56:29] <rob0> Things like this are indeed easier in exim.
[17:56:46] * hparker thwaps rob0 for cussing
[17:56:46] <cpm> rob0, sparrw isn't going to accept that response, He just stated that he will ask these questions every day until he gets his answers.
[17:56:57] <sparrw> cpm: one of us can't read.  it's not me.
[17:57:04] <cpm> so, knuckle down and get it right!@
[17:57:05] <sparrw> rob0: thanks
[17:57:20] <rob0> yw
[17:57:29] <mindcooker> how can I change de default number of mailboxes
[17:57:35] <cpm> okay, every few days
[17:57:44] <mindcooker> for a virtual domain
[17:57:58] <rob0> Seriously ... join Cami's list for a few days ... Cami might already have this as a feature of policyd, or he might add it.
[17:58:43] <rob0> Be aware, though: ratware can authenticate too. So you need throttling (which I know policyd does support.)
[17:59:47] * cpm authenticates rob0
[18:02:27] <ph1zzle> I am looking for a .forward example right now, does anyone know where one would be or the best way to specify multiple forwarded users for one account?
[18:04:04] <rob0> ph1zzle, aliases(5) is one way: "aliasname:  localaccount1, localaccount2, remote at address dot domain"
[18:04:32] <ph1zzle> huh
[18:04:34] <ph1zzle> cool
[18:04:41] <ph1zzle> thanks rob0
[18:05:11] <rob0> .forward files aren't very well documented in Postfix (about the only thing I couldn't find), but sendmail.org might document the format.
[18:05:34] <rob0> Postfix was written to be compatible.
[18:05:53] <cpm> what the heck is hoodia anyway?
[18:06:07] <ph1zzle> alias sounds fine, I am about to try it but if I forward one account to to recipients with alias, do both get it?
[18:06:17] <ph1zzle> a cactus from south africa
[18:06:20] <ph1zzle> @ hoodia
[18:06:21] <cpm> ph1zzle, thanx
[18:06:24] <cpm> :)
[18:06:29] <ph1zzle> also a known hunger reducer
[18:06:57] * ph1zzle asked the same thing last time I was in the GNC vitamin store but I assume you are asking about software or something
[18:06:58] <cpm> ah, it's one of those things that has side effects like, , , , err, , leakage
[18:07:05] <ph1zzle> lol
[18:07:14] <cpm> ick
[18:07:15] <ph1zzle> yeah something like that
[18:08:08] <rob0> Yes, both get it. Alias expansion only happens once. After that it can continue on to the local account, even if it has the same name as the alias. (I think ... not tried.)
[18:08:45] <ph1zzle> I just tried it and only one account got it
[18:08:54] <ph1zzle> am I supposed to put both names on the same line?
[18:09:09] <ALVAN> there is no way to tell posix another  path for  smtpd.conf file(used for SASL authentification ) like something in master.cf
[18:09:11] <rob0> "newaliases"?
[18:09:22] <ph1zzle> I think I just found the answer in the man page
[18:09:55] <rob0> ALVAN: That's a Cyrus SASL compile-time option, I think. Talk to your OS support.
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[18:11:07] <ph1zzle> and lastly, is there a way in aliases to let the original user still keep the mail as well?
[18:11:32] <DickensCider> help: i'm experiencing sporadic "relay access denied" errors. I'm not sure what the issue is but apparently it's been ongoing for the last couple of weeks
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[18:12:27] <Nesquick> hi there all
[18:12:34] <Nesquick> i have a litle problem with my postfix...
[18:12:40] <DickensCider> sometimes messages will reach their destination, but sometimes i'll receive and NDR
[18:12:52] <Nesquick> i just installed postfix with mysql, sasl and courier
[18:13:38] <Nesquick> when i try to test my pop3 via telnet...i try to login with user and pass mentioned in the mysql db but i recieve
[18:13:55] <Nesquick> can anyone give me any clue...
[18:13:56] <Nesquick> ?
[18:14:26] <many> does postfix do pop3?
[18:14:36] <Nesquick> yep...
[18:14:43] <Dominian> it does?
[18:14:46] <Nesquick> or...i think so...
[18:14:47] <Dominian> I use dovecot for pop3
[18:15:00] <Nesquick> hmm much better then courier?
[18:15:08] <Dominian> as far as I know..postfix is an MTA only
[18:15:12] <Dominian> Nesquick: I love it
[18:15:27] <Nesquick> Dominian, please can u give me a good tutorial?
[18:17:14] <mordaunt> dovecot is much faster for imap. it's not much different than courier on pop
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[18:27:04] <mindcooker> I'm gettig this error:
[18:27:15] <mindcooker>  warning: table "mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql/transport_maps.cnf": empty lookup result for: "xpto.gotdns.org" -- ignored
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[18:31:15] <ALVAN> rob0, i found it works with  smtpd_sasl_path = /path to sasl config dir
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[18:36:00] <bishillo> One question: I'm configuring a mysql query to retrieve the transport
[18:36:25] <bishillo> when I return "virtual", it doesn't follow the virtual_transport = dovecot line
[18:36:37] <bishillo> tries the dovecot transport alone
[18:36:51] <bishillo> the virtual directly, sorry
[18:37:32] <bishillo> What transport should I return to let postfix parse the virtual_mailbox_maps and finally use the dovecot transport?
[18:40:05] <bishillo> I shouldn't return transport for the domains handled via virtual_mailbox_maps?
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[18:43:59] <DickensCider> help: i'm experiencing sporadic "relay access denied" errors. I'm not sure what the issue is but apparently it's been ongoing for the last couple of weeks. Sometimes messages will deliver to their destination and sometimes the output in maillog is "relay access denied"
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[18:47:28] <cpm> Delivery to same location?
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[18:54:28] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ delivery to outside and inside
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[18:55:34] <cpm> DickensCider, sorry, I wasn't clear. Are you seeing messages delivered sometimes and relay denied sometimes to the same location?
[18:56:30] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ well, it's sporadic so as of today, no
[18:58:04] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ actually, i do see one address where it occurred more than once
[18:58:50] <R1ck> ~, sweet ~
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[19:01:53] <cpm> k
[19:01:56] <cpm> looks fine.
[19:01:59] <DickensCider> yup
[19:02:09] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ but again it's sporadic
[19:02:11] <cpm> pastebin one of your 'relay denied' log entries
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[19:03:26] <DickensCider> k, hold on while i remotely ftp
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[19:08:25] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ which pastebin?
[19:08:57] <cpm> I dunno, which ever one you like. http://rafb.net/paste/
[19:10:20] <DickensCider> http://rafb.net/p/MOz4um19.html
[19:10:34] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ these are all from today
[19:11:54] <cpm> what the heck are those HELOs?
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[19:12:41] <chatran__> hi, the best combination for postfix with a 30gb e-mail box is with imap cyrus ou courier?
[19:13:32] <cpm> DickensCider, pastbin your main.cf
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[19:13:47] <cpm> chatran__, they are both good
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[19:14:05] <chatran__> cpm, another configuration to increment my new server?
[19:14:17] <chatran__> postfix + imap is the best?
[19:14:32] <cpm> its good yes. So is cyrus
[19:14:44] <cpm> so is dovecot
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[19:18:40] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ http://rafb.net/p/3AQuGs89.html
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[19:41:08] <cpm> DickensCider, sorry, was actually working :)
[19:41:18] <cpm> DickensCider, take a peek at the section "The relay_domains parameter"
[19:41:28] <cpm> starting at line 261
[19:41:55] <cpm> and go back and re-read http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[19:42:05] <cpm> you'll need to allow your users to relay
[19:42:06] <ph1zzle> wow, zoneedit.com's website is slower then me trying to do geometry today
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[19:42:48] <hparker> ph1zzle: Oh, so you're getting the geometry done? ;)
[19:43:35] <craigbass1976> someone posted a link for me earlier that explained some common postfix setups (send only, no domain name, etc) can I get that again?  Firefox crashed and I lost it before I bookmarked.
[19:44:10] <cpm> that would be the 'postfix for the homeless postmaster howto' ?
[19:44:25] <craigbass1976> hee, something like that
[19:44:46] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ thx... i'll check it
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[19:45:53] <craigbass1976> oh, got it.  duh, forgo about browser history
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[19:46:01] <ph1zzle> hparker, only when drunk and playing pool
[19:46:06] <hparker> lol
[19:46:11] <ph1zzle> so once every couple a months
[19:46:19] <ph1zzle> and then I am not great at it either
[19:46:34] <cpm> hparker, folks were roaming around #cisco earlier, brandishing sporks, was pretty scary
[19:46:50] <hparker> Yikes!
[19:47:08] * hparker hides his sporks.. Especially from the likes of #cisco!
[19:47:11] <ph1zzle> sporks, that reminds me of a game we used to play when I was a teenager
[19:47:51] <ph1zzle> you and your friends drive through the shittiest ghetto in town and when you see group of mean looking gangstas you all throw forks at them, who ever misses has to go back and pick up their fork
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[19:48:28] <hparker> Errmm.... They shoot back in the places like that I've been
[19:49:06] <ph1zzle> yep
[19:49:07] <ph1zzle> ;)
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[19:49:23] <ph1zzle> thats why you have to drive fast and hope you don't miss
[19:49:25] <ph1zzle> lol
[19:49:28] <hparker> lol
[19:49:57] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ just to clarify: if I add all subnets that all my clients connect from in the mynetworks param, then they will be allowed to relay?
[19:50:07] * ph1zzle never actually did that, but one of my friends when I was 17 suggested it as a joke
[19:50:14] <ph1zzle> I thought it was funny
[19:50:17] <hparker> heh
[19:50:37] <cpm> DickensCider, umm, yeah, but be careful. If any of those subnets are exposed, you become a relay for more than you might intend.
[19:51:01] <DickensCider> ~[ cpm ]~ all subnets are behind a firewall and within our WAN
[19:53:32] <ph1zzle> um...
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[19:53:52] <ph1zzle> can I make postfix accept mail for all domains that point to it and just send it to the system user?
[19:58:41] <ph1zzle> or even better can someone tell me what the configuration option is to add additional domain to what postfix picks up mail for
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[20:00:38] <many> well,
[20:00:46] <many> ! mydomains
[20:00:47] <knoba> many: Error: "mydomains" is not a valid command.
[20:00:51] <many> :(
[20:01:01] <many> ph1zzle: try mydomains=
[20:01:34] <many> right side can be multiple domains or a filename
[20:04:00] <ph1zzle> huh
[20:04:14] <shasta> ph1zzle: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#mydestination
[20:04:39] <ph1zzle> I just tried mydomain = host1.com, host2.com, host3.com and then restarted postfix and it gave me a error about sending mail to host3.com / relay
[20:04:53] * ph1zzle looks at the url
[20:05:11] <shasta> also, http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#local
[20:05:53] <ph1zzle> mydestination seems to work, lol
[20:09:17] <many> rerr
[20:09:20] <many> err, too
[20:09:29] <many> did i say mydomain?
[20:09:33] * many goes into the corner
[20:10:23] <cpm> when rejecting stuff with reject_unknown_client
[20:10:55] <cpm> I've noticed that a lot of them reverse just fine, but for some reason, postfix does get the reverse, clues?
[20:11:53] <hparker> Does the rDNS resolve?
[20:12:10] <cpm> yup, resolves just fine
[20:12:21] <hparker> (Though I forget if that's in that test, or one of the others)
[20:12:28] <cpm> that's the one to test
[20:12:31] <hparker> DNS server overloaded?
[20:12:36] <cpm> naw, not really
[20:12:47] <cpm> I do toss a 450, so hopefully stuff retries
[20:12:57] <cpm> would be nice to toss 504s though, and be sure
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[20:26:43] <ph1zzle> is there a command to create a mbox box in linux?
[20:28:25] <hparker> Send it an email?
[20:28:26] <Signum> ph1zzle: "touch" :)
[20:29:00] * hparker advises not to use "touch" too often, can result in "face slap"
[20:29:15] * Signum touches hparker
[20:29:17] <ph1zzle> hparker, it's not doing it when I send users an e-mail and touch is no good @ Signum for my system as I get complaints that it's not a valid mailbox
[20:29:34] <ph1zzle> will you too stop touching each other
[20:29:38] <hparker> ph1zzle: Ok, then what's the log say about th edelivery?
[20:29:45] <ph1zzle> hold on
[20:31:19] <ph1zzle> ok, I am getting complaints about unable to send mail to <x> address in e-mails I send to my own system, now I have been able to log in with dovecot to create the mbox file and it has worked with other users but I am trying to write a shell script to create new users and I currently don't know how to automate that
[20:32:30] <hparker> First email sent should create it, so send a welcome message.. As for the error, without seeing the exact error, not much help from us
[20:33:16] <ph1zzle> I am posting the mail at the moment, the one the system is sending
[20:33:18] <ph1zzle> one sec
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[20:35:32] <ph1zzle> hparker, --> http://rafb.net/p/081YTL14.html
[20:37:36] <hparker> Permission denied .. Pretty obvious, check the permissions on the directories and file
[20:37:58] <hparker> And the logs are easier to read then bounce messages
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[20:39:49] * cpm denies hparker
[20:40:25] * hparker fails
[20:40:40] * hparker feels like http://tinyurl.com/2gok7n
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[20:41:44] <cpm> http://www.fukung.net/v/3526/Huge%20Manatee.jpg
[20:41:48] <Mr_Molez> hey, i can recieve mail and send mail internally but cant send outside ? any ideas ?
[20:42:06] <cpm> Mr_Molez, what happens when you try to send externally?
[20:42:14] <hparker> Mr_Molez: I bet your logs do
[20:42:25] <Mr_Molez> well thats another problem
[20:42:29] <Mr_Molez> i dont have any logs either
[20:42:39] <hparker> Then fix your logger
[20:42:51] <Mr_Molez> aint postfix suppose to have its own logger ?
[20:42:53] * cpm steers way clear of hparker's logs
[20:43:02] <cpm> Mr_Molez, no, it uses syslog
[20:43:08] <hparker> Mr_Molez: Nope, logs to the system logger
[20:43:14] <Mr_Molez> ahh that will explain why i cant find the logs :P
[20:43:18] <hparker> lol
[20:43:24] <hparker> afk for a bit
[20:43:29] <cpm> bye
[20:43:48] <Mr_Molez> May 16 19:16:50 tdownload postfix/smtp[24475]: 67586278121: to=<mr_molez at hotmail dot com>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.54.244.136]:25, delay=2.6, delays=1.5/0.03/0.55/0.55, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250  <20070516191649.67586278121 at tdownload dot org> Queued mail for delivery)
[20:43:51] <Mr_Molez> May 16 19:16:50 tdownload postfix/qmgr[24470]: 67586278121: removed
[20:43:54] <Mr_Molez> thats all i see
[20:44:25] <hparker> Hotmail ate your email, no news here, move along please
[20:44:39] <Mr_Molez> uh.
[20:44:56] <hparker> hotmail accepted it, nothing more you can do
[20:45:02] <Mr_Molez> hmm
[20:45:11] <Mr_Molez> damn hotmail
[20:45:11] <cpm> the mail was sent successfully, quit using hotmail, it sucks
[20:45:13] <hparker> I think it's postmaster.msn.com that has some help... Good luck with it
[20:45:19] <hparker> anywho, afk
[20:46:26] <Mr_Molez> ok one more question
[20:46:37] <Mr_Molez> i can get e-mails on aol but they go to the spam filter
[20:46:41] <Mr_Molez> any way around that ?
[20:46:56] <cpm> probably
[20:47:00] <cpm> why are they going there?
[20:47:09] <Mr_Molez> not sure
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[20:48:56] <hparker> Ugh.. I told her I needed her system to get some data off of a drive.. No way is she going to blame me for re-arranging her paperwork!
[20:49:01] <Mr_Molez> to: undisclosed-recipients <>
[20:49:03] <Mr_Molez> maybe that is why ?
[20:49:16] <zucco> I'm having this problem: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2007-05/0943.html     if anybody could help me, I will thank you
[20:49:19] <hparker> I've heard hotmail doesn't like bcc
[20:49:31] <Mr_Molez> oh, how do i get rid of undisclosed-recipients ?
[20:49:43] <Mr_Molez> or is it just the client i used to send the mail that is the problem ?
[20:50:48] <hparker> Put them in To:. not BCC: I'd guess
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[20:56:07] <Mr_Molez> is it possible to have the command mail (duno what provides that) with postfix ?
[20:56:29] <hparker> Sure, there's ssmtp, mailx, etc
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[20:58:01] <raw_> hm iam not a smtp-pro: i want to set up my own email-server to recieve also important mails. the problem is that i cannot garantee that the server is 100% online. what can i do to never miss a mail? iam thinking of setting up mailservers on more that one rootserver.
[20:58:41] <hparker> Most retry for 5 days... A secondary MX is more trouble then it's worth imo
[20:58:53] <many> indeed.
[20:58:54] <cpm> not just your mo
[20:59:03] <cpm> pretty much anyone who messes with this stuff for a living
[21:00:08] <raw_> hm okay :)
[21:01:12] <raw_> and it is mostly sure that i cannot miss a mail if my server comes online after a day downtime?
[21:04:25] <jMCg> Oh...shit.
[21:04:35] * jMCg bangs his head repeatedly on the table
[21:05:57] <raw_> okay and now the final noob question: if i want webmail, what do you recommend?
[21:06:18] <jMCg> raw_: squirrelmail and the new hot shit cube..something.
[21:07:08] <hparker> roundcube?
[21:07:17] <jMCg> hparker: yep.
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[21:08:22] <havoc> afternoon
[21:08:26] <havoc> f3ew: you about?
[21:09:00] <raw_> roundcube sounds good
[21:09:01] <havoc> anyway, it seems after my upgrade to etch that NOQUEUEs for relay access denied are no longer returning an error to the sender
[21:09:19] <havoc> *seems* that
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[21:16:24] <havoc> ok, there *are* errors, the user is just an idiot
[21:16:37] <havoc> now to figure out why he's not authenticating to allow relaying :(
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[21:25:11] <rob0> havoc, sounds like a Microsoft MUA. They get confused and fall back on non-AUTH without telling the user.
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[21:25:45] <raw_> is postfix courier?
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[21:25:54] <raw_> *confused*
[21:26:04] <raw_> i see only courier-imap howtos everywhere
[21:26:30] <havoc> rob0: the odd thing is he *claims* he's using a user/pass to send mail
[21:27:17] <rob0> He might well be, that's what I'm saying. The MUA gets confused and doesn't try to AUTH.
[21:28:33] <havoc> you aware of any way to fix/reset it?
[21:28:58] <smesjz> lo rob0
[21:31:49] <rob0> Microsoft doesn't support PLAIN mechanism, only LOGIN and perhaps some of the encrypted mechs. Older versions of Outhouse, if not *all* of them, do not support TLS. So if you're requiring TLS (a good idea) you need to provide them with smtps access. (See example in master.cf.)
[21:32:39] <havoc> oh    my    god
[21:32:53] <havoc> this guy did NOT have smtp-auth being used
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[21:33:37] <rob0> Are you sure? Checking his computer yourself, or he changed his story?
[21:33:49] <havoc> he's remote
[21:33:55] <raw_> i want to use roundcube, roundcube requieres imap, so where can i start for getting a idea how to setup imap? postfix does not support imap right?
[21:33:55] <havoc> talking to him via irc
[21:34:02] <havoc> AARRRGGG!G!!!
[21:34:09] * havoc can't stand these types of users
[21:34:12] <sepski> raw_, no postfix is a MTA.
[21:34:29] <rob0> raw_, right, you need something like courier-imap or Dovecot for IMAP.
[21:34:30] <sepski> raw_, i use courier. i hear dovecot is nice.
[21:34:39] <rob0> both are good choices, yes
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[21:35:15] <havoc> rob0: I found out when I made him read off all his settings and he said the server type was IMAP
[21:35:22] <raw_> okay, i hope they are simple to set up.. i dont want to become a mailgeek, i just want this working :)
[21:36:01] <hparker> To run a decent mail server you need to be a mail geek, sorry
[21:36:06] <raw_> i have setted up a sendmail server from source, was a torture :)
[21:36:15] * havoc *hates* email :<
[21:36:32] <hparker> Keeping inboxes clean is almost a full time job
[21:37:01] <havoc> I have to deal with stupid users like this one several times a week :(
[21:37:15] <hparker> And then there's that
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[21:37:58] <havoc> I still don't know why his IMAP login wasn't allowing him to relay, but I'd rather pull my own teeth with rusty pliers than try to figure it out from him
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[21:38:54] <rob0> Why would IMAP login allow SMTP relay, unless you set up something to do that? (It's *not* a good idea.)
[21:39:12] <havoc> I *do* have ti setup that way, as well as pop-before-smtp
[21:39:22] <rob0> ah.
[21:39:26] <smesjz> what's wrong with smtp-auth?
[21:39:39] <havoc> smesjz: trying to get everyone to use it?
[21:39:48] <havoc> I do that too
[21:39:53] <hparker> It leaves that IP open
[21:39:57] <rob0> I suppose they'll use it if they need to send mail :)
[21:40:06] <havoc> hparker: for 15min, big deal
[21:40:22] <havoc> rob0: except I'm only one guy to handle the support
[21:40:35] <hparker> More then I want one open, especially with all of the open wifi
[21:40:49] <smesjz> just get smtp-auth going, it's designed for roar-warriors
[21:40:51] <havoc> many of my users have been around since before *working* smtp-auth support in lookout
[21:41:06] <havoc> smesjz: it *is* working
[21:41:29] <smesjz> then you can ditch this imap/pop-before-smtp?
[21:41:31] <havoc> it's just a monumental task to get everyone switched over to it
[21:41:35] <rob0> I'll admit that for some places, pop/imap-before-smtp can be safe enough, but there's no denying that it's an ugly kludge.
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[21:41:51] <havoc> rob0: and more work to setup/maintain
[21:42:02] <smesjz> jo hparker..isnt your house blown away yet by these tornadoes in Kansas? :)
[21:42:10] <cpm> very ugly, and seriously obsolete in this modern world. Best to take the time and do it right
[21:42:26] <havoc> cpm: are you volunteering to handle the support calls?
[21:42:26] <rob0> Tornado said it didn't want hparker.
[21:42:41] * smesjz cpmifies rob0
[21:42:51] <hparker> smesjz: lol.. Not yet, but the boy and I went out chasing a little over a week ago: http://24.225.5.126/~hparker/pics/truck/
[21:42:58] * havoc switches people over to smtp-auth whenever he can, a few users at a time
[21:43:17] <rob0> hparker looked out when it was coming, and it turned around. Then it demolished Greensburg.
[21:43:29] <hparker> lol
[21:43:32] <rob0> I guess even tornadoes get frustrated.
[21:43:33] <smesjz> hparker: nice pics dude ;)
[21:43:39] <havoc> I'd say I still have ~600-700 users using pop/imap auth though :(
[21:43:53] <havoc> (...for sending mail)
[21:44:08] <hparker> A local ham operator went to Greensburg to help out:   http://picasaweb.google.com/rhsvlyczak/GREENSBURGTORNADOMAY42007
[21:44:11] <cpm> put up a web page howto, make sure you have good webmail, and force smtp-auth via submission, and be done with it.
[21:44:18] <havoc> but I also have ~3000 total users
[21:44:33] <many> teach em to teach theirselves.
[21:44:42] <cpm> be nice to give them a bit of notice
[21:44:43] <havoc> so it's a shrinking number, but I still don't have the time to force them all to change at once
[21:44:45] <cpm> :)
[21:44:54] <cpm> give them a drop-dead date
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[21:45:42] <rob0> cpm's out on a date with a drop-dead beauty!
[21:46:08] <many> s'posed so :)
[21:46:09] <rob0> hparker, nice, brick streets. :)
[21:46:43] <hparker> ;)
[21:46:44] <rob0> Or, he just dropped dead! Hope not! Who would I harass? smesjz??
[21:47:44] <smesjz> o_O
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[21:50:53] <rob0> Hmmm, suspicious, they left almost together. Suppose cpm is wreaking havoc?
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[21:51:48] <hparker> hehe.. That wouldn't surprise me
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[21:55:22] <Kalavera> hi guys
[21:56:38] <Kalavera> i am sending mail to a large list but i see from header is set up with these account apache at domain dot com , i want to set up these header with anotheruser at domain dot com any idea to do this?
[21:56:59] <Signum> Kalavera: use proper sender addresses in the application that is generating mail.
[21:57:13] <smesjz> or use the -f flag for sendmail
[21:57:16] <smesjz> moin Chris
[21:58:26] <mirlyn> hparker:  russell ks?  wichita here ;)
[21:59:04] <hparker> mirlyn: Nice, we'll have to grab a beer sometime ;)
[21:59:05] * rob0 is an expatriate Jayhawk
[21:59:36] <many> or abuse canonical
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[21:59:51] <rob0> Beer in Salina? (Would that be salty beer?)
[21:59:57] <mirlyn> they've got the interweb all over now, huh?
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[22:01:04] <hparker> mirlyn: Yeah.. I moved out here in '97 from Topuka, made sure they had access.. Hooked up with a local ISP doing admin work, ended up buying the wireless when he sold out.. Sold it just over a year ago
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[22:01:53] <Signum> smesjz: eve...
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[22:02:47] <mirlyn> hparker:  sweet :)
[22:03:07] <hparker> mirlyn: The likes of NexTech did me in
[22:04:14] <mirlyn> hparker: never heard of them...*googles*...dsl?
[22:04:31] <hparker> A division of RuralTel
[22:05:16] <hparker> They had wireless here before I sold to them.. But, them offering 3 meg and I have a T1 (At $1400 a month no less) kinda hurt
[22:06:28] <mirlyn> ouch....yeah, thats tough
[22:06:49] <hparker> Oh well, it was fun while it lasted ;)
[22:07:00] <mirlyn> and thats all that matters :D
[22:08:08] <hparker> Yeah.. When I sold I had about all of southern Russell county and part of northern Barton county lit up.. Was getting to be a bit much for a 1 man shop when you have customers 30-40 miles away
[22:08:39] <hparker> So, I'm back to doing just PC work and remote linux work.. And a lot less stressed out
[22:08:42] <mirlyn> trouble calls and truck rolls add up
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[22:09:57] <hparker> Yup... As do lightening strikes... I lost 6 radios on one elevator in like 1.5 months a couple of years ago
[22:10:19] <hparker> At this site http://24.225.5.126/~hparker/pics/radio/
[22:10:31] <mirlyn> yeah, I was gonna say.....elevator hopping like that probably leads to constant hits
[22:11:01] <hparker> Went several years without a hit one, real lucky
[22:12:06] <mirlyn> got a friend who last I heard still runs a wisp and 2-way service in wellington....similar stories
[22:12:50] <ph1zzle> ok, I know this is gonna sound like the stupidest question of the day but I cannot figure out in thunderbird where I tell it to allow new accounts to use the standard thunderbird folders, any ideas?
[22:12:52] <hparker> It gets old sitting through the storms wondering "How much will this one cost me?" :(
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[22:14:03] <ph1zzle> damn, what state are you in hparker
[22:14:06] <ph1zzle> ?
[22:14:17] <hparker> Middle of Kansas
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[22:15:05] <ph1zzle> I used to do some consulting in kansas when I did computer security for banks
[22:15:20] <ph1zzle> I am trying to remember the towns I was in
[22:15:24] <hparker> I'm in Russell, home of... Bob Dole!
[22:15:30] <ph1zzle> sorry to hear
[22:15:33] <ph1zzle> ;)
[22:15:36] <hparker> Like 186 miles from the CP boarder on I70
[22:15:39] <hparker> hehehe
[22:15:48] <hparker> s/CP/CO
[22:15:59] <ph1zzle> I have been in a few parts out there
[22:16:06] <ph1zzle> dodge city and syracuse
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[22:16:18] <hparker> Not much has changed, just another damn wheat field ;)
[22:16:20] <ph1zzle> hampton or hamilton or something like that as well
[22:16:29] <ph1zzle> yeah I noticed that
[22:16:51] <ph1zzle> I had to drive from the... shoot I forget what city the main airport was in, but from there to syrracuse
[22:17:21] <hparker> Dodge City was my first time in KS, was working a siesmograph crew.. I swore that's where they were when they wrote "I can see for miles" ;)
[22:17:50] <ph1zzle> what is the capital of kansas?
[22:18:01] <hparker> Topeka, main airport is in KC
[22:18:10] <hparker> There's a smaller one in Wichita
[22:18:22] <ph1zzle> I don't think I was comming from KC.. although I have been through there so it mighta been
[22:18:36] <rob0> GCK maybe?
[22:18:43] <ph1zzle> it was a 5 hour drive through the nice smell of cowshit to get through dodge city to syrracuse
[22:18:52] <rob0> Yikes, Syracuse is *way* out there
[22:18:53] <hparker> Garden City would probably have a smaller one
[22:19:01] <hparker> lol
[22:19:16] <hparker> GC is only like an hour, maybe 1.5 from DC
[22:19:17] <rob0> GCK used to have AirMidwest service to MCI.
[22:19:31] <hparker> Ahh
[22:19:37] <rob0> like twice a day I think
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[22:20:35] <rob0> That would be a long ride in a commuter plane.
[22:20:56] * ph1zzle lives in Fort Lauderdale... I didn't know Kansas that well when I travelled
[22:21:26] <ph1zzle> although I did end up driving from syrracuse to oaklahoma city from one job one week to another one the next
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[22:22:19] <rob0> I'm not as familiar with air service in/out of ICT as I am (was) with MCI.
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[22:24:48] <sasch> hi all
[22:24:56] <sasch> can help me with postfix and relay ...
[22:24:57] <ph1zzle> yeah yeah, was and MCI are great, they sure beat ICT imho
[22:25:00] <ph1zzle> o.O
[22:25:07] <rob0> http://www.fly2gck.com/ they have sched. service to MCI and to DEN.
[22:25:13] * ph1zzle . o 0 ( wtf? )
[22:25:29] <sasch> when i try to send a mail postfix send it if is in virtual mailbox
[22:25:41] <sasch> but when i try to send to another server for example
[22:25:46] <sasch> gmail say this
[22:25:53] <sasch> relay=none, delay=0.09, delays=0.06/0.03/0/0, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
[22:25:59] <sasch> why ???
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[22:28:30] * mirlyn is less than a mile from ict
[22:29:54] <rob0> !debug
[22:29:54] <knoba> rob0: 'debug' : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.com/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[22:30:21] <rob0> sasch: ^^ pastebin your "postconf -n" and logs of what happens.
[22:30:25] <hparker> rob0: Please fix that to not have pastebin.com in it.. kthx
[22:30:31] <rob0> oh
[22:30:49] <rob0> hmmm, not sure how to change a factoid
[22:31:11] <hparker> Well, I was hoping you knew how is why I asked :P
[22:31:14] <rob0> Signum: ^^ ?? :)
[22:31:36] <Dominian> rob0: forget debug
[22:31:50] <rob0> !forget debug
[22:31:59] <rob0> !debug
[22:31:59] <knoba> rob0: Error: "debug" is not a valid command.
[22:32:14] * rob0 throws a cookie to Dominian
[22:32:19] <Dominian> sweet
[22:32:20] <hparker> Eeekkk!!! You broke it now!
[22:33:08] <sasch> can help me
[22:33:19] <rob0> !learn debug http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[22:33:30] <rob0> !debug
[22:33:30] <knoba> rob0: Error: "debug" is not a valid command.
[22:33:45] <rob0> oops
[22:33:51] <Signum> rob0: learn debug as ...
[22:33:57] <rob0> ok thx
[22:34:02] * Dominian nods
[22:34:04] <rob0> !learn debug as http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[22:34:10] <rob0> !debug
[22:34:10] <knoba> rob0: 'debug' : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[22:34:56] <rob0> Dominian: should we put your pastebin in there?
[22:35:00] <sasch> <rob0> !debug
[22:35:00] <sasch> <knoba>
[22:35:03] <sasch> :-P ops
[22:35:20] <sasch> <knoba> can help me with postfix
[22:35:42] <Dominian> You can if you want rob0
[22:35:52] <Dominian> Doesn't matter to me.
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[22:41:57] <sasch> why when i try to send an e-mail to the virtual mailbox, postfix send it
[22:42:04] <sasch> and when i try to send to another server
[22:42:11] <sasch> don't send it and say reley=noe
[22:42:15] <sasch> excusme none
[22:42:16] <sasch> http://pastebin.ca/491749
[22:42:25] <sasch> please can help me .........
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[22:45:10] <Signum> sasch: is the file that your transport_maps points to existing?
[22:45:52] <rob0> sasch, without the config information I asked for, we can only guess, but yes, a broken transport_maps setting or similar, sounds likely.
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[22:46:42] <sasch> http://pastebin.ca/491755
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[22:48:54] <sasch> transport_maps this istruction is not present in my main.cf
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[22:49:31] <Signum> sasch: try "postconf transport_maps"
[22:49:42] <hparker> rob0: http://tinyurl.com/2p432o
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[22:50:32] <rob0> egrep -v '^[[:space:]]*($|#|;)' /etc/postfix/master.cf
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[22:51:22] <hparker> Bless you
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[22:52:17] <rob0> I have that as a shell alias, "nocomment" :)
[22:52:46] <rob0> cute ... I like it :)
[22:52:54] <sasch> root@papinicomputer:/etc/postfix# postconf transport_maps
[22:52:55] <sasch> transport_maps =
[22:54:00] <rob0> sasch, how did you install this? What did you do?
[22:57:05] <sasch> excusme for my english but I'm italian :-P
[22:57:23] <sasch> I'm not a expert of postfix
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[22:57:29] <sasch> and server mail .....
[22:57:43] <sasch> i like programming with php and postgresql and mysql :-P
[22:57:55] <sasch> but in my server i must use postfix for send e-mail ....
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[22:58:17] <Signum> sasch: somehow your main.cf configuration file misses a (very important) transport_maps entry. is there a main.cf at all? has it been installed autoamtically?
[22:58:52] <rob0> Signum, no, I bet the problem is in master.cf or in the install itself being borked.
[22:59:22] <rob0> sasch: pastebin this next: 20:50 < rob0> egrep -v '^[[:space:]]*($|#|;)' /etc/postfix/master.cf
[22:59:24] <Signum> maybe
[22:59:25] <sasch> http://pastebin.ca/491777
[23:01:47] <sasch> http://pastebin.ca/491783
[23:04:45] <rob0> The relay transport looks fine, but I don't see smtp.
[23:05:14] <sasch> smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
[23:05:25] <rob0> No, that's smtpd.
[23:05:30] <sasch> hummm but is smtpd
[23:05:36] <sasch> can post the line ...
[23:05:45] * Dominian slowly pulls out a club....
[23:06:02] <rob0> who commented out or removed the smtp line?
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[23:06:54] <rob0> sasch: "postconf default_transport"
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[23:08:59] <sasch> root@papinicomputer:/etc/postfix# postconf default_transport
[23:08:59] <sasch> default_transport = smtp
[23:10:10] <rob0> There should be a line in master.cf, in mine just before the ^relay line: "smtp      unix  -       -       n       -       -       smtp"
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[23:11:16] <sasch> smtp      unix  -       -       n       -       -       smtp
[23:11:17] <sasch> relay     unix  -       -       -       -       -       smtp
[23:11:20] <sasch> is truth ??
[23:13:24] <rob0> it wasn't in your paste of the egrep.
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[23:21:58] <sasch> <rob0> now all work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[23:23:58] <rob0> Ugh, what have I done?
[23:24:25] <rob0> Is that why Dominian is threatening me with a club?
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[23:26:42] <raw_> hm if i do telnet loclahost 25 i can type something, but no reactio nat all
[23:28:53] <raw_> can myhostname and mydomain be the same?
[23:28:58] <Dominian> rob0: nothing you did
[23:29:08] <Dominian> back later
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[23:37:19] <Kalavera> guys?
[23:37:37] <Kalavera> i see my emails go out very slowly
[23:37:45] <Kalavera> any idea?
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[23:40:49] <rob0> Kalavera: Don't use RFC 1149 transport. Ethernet is much faster.
[23:50:31] <Kalavera> rob0, i need to set up something?
[23:52:00] <rob0> It was a joke: http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
[23:52:41] <rob0> If you must use pigeons, forget IP & SMTP, just tie a note to its leg. :)
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[23:56:01] <Kalavera> rob0, i read the rfc
[23:56:13] <Kalavera> but how to configure it on postfix
[23:57:01] <rob0> !debug
[23:57:01] <knoba> rob0: 'debug' : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[23:58:19] <rob0> Kalavera, there could be dozens of reasons for "mails go out slowly", and using pigeons is one of them, albeit a bit farfetched.
[23:58:21] <ianm_> not sure if this is a postfix Q or more openssl, but how can I see the signature of the cert that the email client sees (to avoid man-in-the-middle)
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[23:59:23] <rob0> ianm_, maybe smtpd_tls_loglevel





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