[00:02:28] <lkthomas-home> guys
[00:02:40] <lkthomas-home> I just use pipe to let mail pass maildrop
[00:02:52] <lkthomas-home> how could I know if postfix is actually passing mail to it ?
[00:03:03] <lkthomas-home> header show nothing
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[00:21:38] <lkthomas-home> how could you guys avoid spamming which is sending from your own postfix server ?
[00:22:32] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, you should not use postfix:postfix !!
[00:24:32] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, postconf -d | grep default_privs
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[00:26:29] <lkthomas-home> mx:/home/mail# postconf -d | grep default_privs
[00:26:29] <lkthomas-home> default_privs = nobody
[00:27:41] <xpoint> run maildrop as this user or change it
[00:28:32] <lkthomas-home> hang on
[00:29:20] <xpoint> dest dirs should be owned static by this user
[00:29:25] <lkthomas-home> yeah
[00:29:34] <lkthomas-home> xpoint: how could I know if maildrop is running
[00:29:52] <lkthomas-home> is it possible to insert some special header like X-MAILDROP ?
[00:30:00] <xpoint> logs should show it, if no fails it works
[00:30:29] <xpoint> without any filterrc there should be no sign of maildrop as lda
[00:30:29] <lkthomas-home> log should show maildrop ?
[00:30:41] <xpoint> yes
[00:30:46] <lkthomas-home> I am using virtual_transport = maildrop
[00:30:51] <lkthomas-home> and using pipe on master.cf
[00:31:05] <xpoint> grep logs for maildrop then
[00:31:15] <lkthomas-home> nothing shows up
[00:31:24] <lkthomas-home> that's why I am confused
[00:31:30] <lkthomas-home> I still receiving email
[00:31:37] <lkthomas-home> but just no sign of maildrop that is running
[00:32:27] <xpoint> if you comment out virtual_transport will you see logs for virtual ?
[00:33:13] <xpoint> if you do then the virtual_transport is not working
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[00:33:25] <lkthomas-home> is it suppose to be showing virtual or maildrop ?
[00:33:36] <xpoint> virtual
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[00:33:50] <lkthomas-home> I though it will show maildrop
[00:33:56] <xpoint> the default virtual_transport is virtual
[00:34:11] <lkthomas-home> before I was using virtual_transport, no problem
[00:34:21] <lkthomas-home> = virtual I mean
[00:34:48] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, i newer got maildrop to work here
[00:35:05] <lkthomas-home> huh
[00:35:22] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, in postfix 2.4.1 there is internal filter
[00:35:50] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, witch i belive will be maildrop filterrc compatible
[00:35:51] <lkthomas-home> I am still using 2.3.8
[00:36:27] <lkthomas-home> xpoint: virtual are shows up with virtual_transport = maildrop
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[00:36:59] <xpoint> is maildrop configured in master.cf ?
[00:37:06] <lkthomas-home> sure
[00:37:07] <lkthomas-home> as pipe
[00:37:51] <xpoint> ok
[00:38:13] <xpoint> test with sendmail that maildrop works as a pipe
[00:38:26] <lkthomas-home> how ?
[00:38:56] <xpoint> cat file | sendmail -t | maildrop
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[00:39:08] <xpoint> might be wroung :-)
[00:39:26] <lkthomas-home> sendmail: fatal: No recipient addresses found in message header
[00:39:27] <lkthomas-home> maildrop is working
[00:39:46] <lkthomas-home> maildrop is working
[00:39:49] <lkthomas-home> hmm
[00:41:21] <xpoint> then i belive you just need to configure default filterrc for maildrop
[00:42:05] <lkthomas-home> isn't default config is /etc/maildroprc ?
[00:42:28] <xpoint> yes i belive its the one yes
[00:42:56] <lkthomas-home> VERBOSE=9
[00:42:57] <lkthomas-home> echo "maildrop is working"
[00:43:02] <lkthomas-home> I put that to maildroprc
[00:43:13] <lkthomas-home> how come echo wouldn't shows up on mail.log ?
[00:43:33] <xpoint> syslog
[00:44:15] <lkthomas-home> nope
[00:44:22] <lkthomas-home> syslog shows nothing as well
[00:44:45] <xpoint> your syslog logs anything ?
[00:44:52] <lkthomas-home> of course
[00:45:01] <xpoint> just to be sure :-)
[00:45:29] <xpoint> is maildrop useing syslog ?
[00:45:45] <lkthomas-home> good question
[00:45:48] <lkthomas-home> I don't know
[00:46:06] <xpoint> try debug then
[00:47:08] <xpoint> eg put -v on maildrop pipe in master.cf then stop postfix adn start it, try sending maildrop a msg
[00:47:57] <lkthomas-home> maildrop  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[00:47:58] <lkthomas-home>       flags=ODRhu user=nobody argv=/usr/bin/maildrop -V 10 -d ${recipient}
[00:48:00] <lkthomas-home> I got it already
[00:48:35] <xpoint> just after the pipe, the -V there is for maildrop not postfix pipe
[00:49:03] <lkthomas-home> I don't get it, so what should I do now
[00:49:16] <xpoint> pipe -v
[00:49:42] <xpoint> and keep next line as is
[00:51:15] <lkthomas-home> maildrop  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe -v
[00:51:15] <lkthomas-home>       flags=ODRhu user=nobody argv=/usr/bin/maildrop -V 10 -d ${recipient}
[00:51:23] <lkthomas-home> still nothing shows up in mail.log
[00:51:27] <xpoint> u got it
[00:51:33] <xpoint> hmm
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[00:52:00] <xpoint> you are sending to local user ?
[00:52:09] <lkthomas-home> nope
[00:52:12] <lkthomas-home> virtual
[00:52:14] <lkthomas-home> but using pipe
[00:52:49] <xpoint> what do postfix logs now ?
[00:53:08] <lkthomas-home> huh
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[00:55:05] <lkthomas-home> xpoint?
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[00:57:38] <lkthomas-home> hparker: hey
[00:57:43] <lkthomas-home> hparker: I need your help
[00:58:01] <lkthomas-home> hparker: I am using virtual mailbox and pipe it to maildrop
[00:58:06] <hparker> heya
[00:58:08] <hparker> If i can
[00:58:11] <lkthomas-home> my maillog show no sign that maildrop is running
[00:58:19] <lkthomas-home> even I use pipe -v
[00:58:22] <lkthomas-home> any idea ?
[00:58:36] <hparker> never messed with maildrop, sorry
[00:58:49] <lkthomas-home> what about pipe ?
[00:59:09] <pickcoder> lkthomas-home: what are you trying to accomplish
[00:59:15] <hparker> Not that I've had problems with
[00:59:30] <lkthomas-home> pickcoder : using maildrop to delivery mail
[01:00:06] <pickcoder> doesn't procmail do that by default on postfix?
[01:00:29] <lkthomas-home> nope
[01:00:57] <pickcoder> http://www.postfix.org/MAILDROP_README.html
[01:01:15] <lkthomas-home> pickcoder: I did follow it and it wouldn't work
[01:02:05] <pickcoder> does maildrop work?
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[01:02:22] <lkthomas-home> how to define working
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[01:03:27] <pickcoder> can you run maildrop manually?
[01:05:39] <lkthomas-home> sure
[01:05:42] <lkthomas-home> it does working
[01:07:17] <lkthomas-home> logfile "/var/log/maildrop"
[01:07:17] <lkthomas-home> VERBOS="9"
[01:07:17] <lkthomas-home> log "======"
[01:07:22] <lkthomas-home> hmm
[01:08:12] <lkthomas-home> no log shows on that file
[01:08:26] <lkthomas-home> oh shit
[01:08:27] <lkthomas-home> hang on now
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[01:10:58] <lkthomas-home> I don't understand the relay still in virtual
[01:11:05] <lkthomas-home> it support to use maildrop
[01:11:27] <lkthomas-home> suppose*
[01:12:39] <lkthomas-home> ok
[01:12:42] <lkthomas-home> found the problem now
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[01:16:48] <lkthomas-home>  relay=maildrop, delay=0.09, delays=0.02/0.06/0/0.02, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: maildrop: authlib: groupid=105)
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[01:20:26] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, this was something :-)
[01:20:38] <lkthomas-home> huh
[01:20:59] <xpoint> last line
[01:21:24] <xpoint> if postffix do not call maildrop the relay= will not say so
[01:21:37] * Dominian nods
[01:21:47] <Dominian> my relay says relay=virtual because all my domains are virtual
[01:21:57] <lkthomas-home> I know
[01:21:58] <Dominian> so its using maildrop
[01:22:00] <lkthomas-home> I found the problem
[01:22:04] <Dominian> perms?
[01:22:08] <lkthomas-home> but then what's going on now
[01:22:18] <lkthomas-home> Dominian: user problem ?
[01:22:25] <Dominian> eh?
[01:22:30] <lkthomas-home> user= ?
[01:22:35] <Dominian> I'm talking about your setup.. nothing wrong with mine :)
[01:22:42] <Dominian> my postfix runs as postfix
[01:23:04] <xpoint> Dominian, dont run maildrop as postfix user !
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[01:23:34] <lkthomas-home> Dominian: so as here
[01:23:55] <Dominian> xpoint: I don't run maildrop period
[01:24:12] <Dominian> all of my email uses a virtual relay
[01:24:18] <xpoint> Dominian, how do you then know it works ?
[01:24:41] <lkthomas-home> dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (unknown mail transport error)
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[01:25:08] <Dominian> relay=virtual, delay=2.8, delays=2.5/0.01/0/0.31, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[01:25:14] <Dominian> that's how I know it works.
[01:26:08] <lkthomas-home> Dominian: but how could you config it with maildrop ?
[01:26:21] <lkthomas-home> relay=virtual work for me as old config
[01:26:30] <Dominian> dunno
[01:26:31] <Dominian> I don't use maildrop
[01:26:33] <Dominian> see no reason to
[01:28:11] <lkthomas-home> I need to sleep now
[01:28:18] <lkthomas-home> catch up with you guys later on
[01:28:37] <Dominian> ok
[01:33:42] <lkthomas-home> found a problem now
[01:33:43] <lkthomas-home> May 11 07:31:02 mx postfix/pipe[27837]: fatal: user= command-line attribute specifies mail system owner postfix
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[01:46:23] <xpoint> lkthomas-home, do not run maildrop as postfix user :)
[01:46:57] <xpoint> postfix will not accept it
[01:47:30] <lkthomas-home> if I use nobody
[01:47:37] <lkthomas-home> pipe didn't shows error
[01:47:50] <lkthomas-home> until the end:  relay=maildrop, delay=0.11, delays=0.08/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: maildrop: authlib: groupid=105)
[01:47:57] <lkthomas-home> so what the hell is that
[01:48:05] <lkthomas-home> xpoint you don't have the answer for me as well
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[01:52:20] <lkthomas-home>  relay=maildrop, delay=0.07, delays=0.05/0/0/0.02, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'char const*' maildrop: signal 0x06 )
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[01:54:27] <lkthomas-home> brb
[01:54:28] <lkthomas-home> thanks all
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[03:16:22] <marcster> hi. I made some changes so master.cf of postfix, and when i restart postfix everything is fine. but when i reboot the server, the changes were lost and master.cf reverted to the original. how did this happen?
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[03:26:49] <alecs> hi!!
[03:27:07] <alecs> there is a general mail topic? where to ask ?
[03:27:37] <Dominian> marcster: not sure about that
[03:27:39] <Dominian> alecs: what?
[03:35:30] <marcster> is there some sort of a master.cf.config file that restores pristine settings during reboot, if it exists?
[03:37:41] <xpoint> marcster, check filesystem
[03:38:28] <marcster> what is there to check in the filesystem, xpoint?
[03:39:10] <xpoint> remount readonly, fsck /dev/foo
[03:39:11] <alecs> well i'm using extremail server and i have some problems like "Error readding from socket", "Error creating remote socket"... but is wery strange that i can receive mails and send them locally
[03:41:32] <alecs> any hisnts? port 25 is being logged (tcp+udp) into the firewall .... but no entry about any MX servers
[03:42:41] <xpoint> alecs, socket problems mostly being fixed by a reboot, mostly, just not always
[03:43:40] <hparker> alecs: Has it ever worked?
[03:43:43] <xpoint> try stoping the deamonds and make sure pid and socket file is removed, and try start again
[03:45:16] <alecs> hparker: yes ....
[03:45:52] <hparker> alecs: Did your ISP firewall them off?
[03:45:54] <alecs> i've allready rebouted the system
[03:46:02] <xpoint> hparker, i got squid installed, even with sandbox problem :)
[03:46:11] <hparker> ;)
[03:46:44] <xpoint> hparker, runned ebuild squid merge twice
[03:47:01] <hparker> ahh
[03:47:27] <xpoint> i swer i will not do it again, but one more say it worked, then i have to try it
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[03:47:55] <hparker> heh
[03:48:08] * xpoint is offtopic, but gentoo rooks sometimes :-)
[03:48:16] <hparker> ;)
[03:49:33] <xpoint> will try to make sasl in squid work
[03:50:11] <xpoint> well more coffie is needed
[03:51:05] <alecs> well .... i don't know ... i know just is being filtered. i'we tried telnet-ing another mail host and it seems that i can't connect
[03:52:44] <alecs> i'm logging port 25 ... but i can't find anything ... maybe .... the problem is from me
[03:54:18] <alecs> i've applied old rules .... but nothing :-S not even into the firewall
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[04:22:11] <az`> hi
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[04:22:45] <az`> i have weird problem with options overriding with -o
[04:24:11] <az`> can anybody help?
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[04:42:04] <newzen> hi, what can i do if my login for ldap is diferent than my mail ( i mean for authentication???
[04:44:43] <xpoint> az`, stop postfix, start postfix, when you change master.cf
[04:45:00] <az`> xpoint: that was done
[04:45:12] <xpoint> az`, the overwrites should work
[04:45:16] <az`> xpoint: i verified that smtpd started with right options
[04:45:39] <xpoint> ok
[04:45:44] <az`> az@karna /etc/postfix $ ps -ef | grep mappin
[04:45:45] <az`> postfix  17593 17577  0 09:45 ?        00:00:00 smtpd -n 10026 -t inet -u -c -o receive_override_options no_address_mappings
[04:46:00] <rob0> no spaces!!
[04:46:04] <az`> xpoint: but it still uses virtual table
[04:46:26] <az`> rob0: that's output of ps
[04:46:39] <az`> rob0: in master.cf it looks like:
[04:46:41] <az`> 10026 inet      n       -       y       -       -       smtpd                                                                                           -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings
[04:46:55] <rob0> receive_override_options=no_address_mappings looks right but "receive_override_options no_address_mappings" seems odd
[04:47:03] <xpoint> az`, too much spaces
[04:48:14] <az`> two spaces from beginning of line "  -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings"
[04:48:44] <xpoint> 2 is one to much :-)
[04:48:58] <rob0> for a logical line continuance that's correct ... just any amount of leading whitespace.
[04:49:04] <az`> rob0: do you mean that ps output should be in form 'option=value' too?
[04:49:21] <rob0> I would have thought so, but maybe I was wrong :)
[04:49:26] <az`> and "  -o smtpd_banner=SecondaryPostfix" works just fine
[04:49:47] <az`> will try that with one space now
[04:50:04] <rob0> no that isn't it.
[04:50:13] <xpoint> az`, and no spaces around =
[04:50:23] <az`> xpoint: there isn't
[04:50:26] <rob0> I usually put 4 leadins spaces or a tab to continue a line.
[04:51:16] <rob0> this port 10026 is after-filter reinjection?
[04:51:41] <az`> rob0: yes
[04:51:49] <az`> 'to=<az at ftc dot ru>, orig_to=<az at mailex dot ru>'
[04:52:03] <az`> that mapping is from /etc/postfix/virtual
[04:52:25] <rob0> yes, but that could be happening in the original incoming smtpd.
[04:52:29] <az`> postfix on port 10026 (receive_override_options=no_address_mappings) should not use that map?
[04:52:45] <az`> rob0: i test with telnet localhost 10026
[04:52:57] <rob0> Doesn't FILTER_README say that no_address_mappings ... ah ok
[04:53:03] <rob0> then you're sure
[04:53:49] <rob0> (I was going to say I thought no_address_mappings probably belonged on the pre-filter smtpd.)
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[04:56:19] <az`> i am sure that '-o virtual_alias_map=' was working with other postfix version
[04:56:37] <az`> but now it seems as it is not overriden
[04:58:12] <az`> will try to downgrade to 2.2.10 now
[04:59:08] <rob0> downgrade? hmmm.
[05:01:46] <az`> to verify that there is not cureent version bug
[05:02:12] <az`> it isn't though, 2.2.10 works the same way
[05:02:40] <az`> iw wonder what can i do to debug that mapping trouble
[05:05:24] <rob0> You could try verbose logging
[05:06:37] <az`> rob0: that's some option to smtpd?
[05:11:35] <az`> thanks, will try that
[05:11:54] <az`> i have found other machine with postfix, where   -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings works
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[05:13:12] <az`> will try to diff outputs of postconf on two postfixes
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[05:16:08] <xpoint> and -vv for more verbose
[05:18:12] <az`> btw, how i am supposed to add that -vv in master.cf ? " -vv" in new line as with -o or...?
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[05:19:38] <az`> ah, simply added that to end of line, works
[05:21:38] <az`> there is more verbose output, but not about mapping, too bad
[05:25:31] <az`> found something
[05:26:02] <az`> there is option "  -o content_filter=crmfilter" in that smtpd
[05:26:25] <az`> it seems that without it there is no mappings
[05:28:11] <az`> that filter uses 'sendmail' command in it
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[05:28:23] <az`> so it forwards mail back to postfix, hm
[05:31:48] <az`> added '  -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings' to pickup service in master.cf
[05:32:08] <az`> now postfix on 10026 does not maps anything
[05:33:20] <ptomter> I installed a new postfix server and I have moved all the mail to the new cur dir. I also moved the folders, but they wont show
[05:33:57] <az`> ptomter: where should they show up?
[05:36:26] <ptomter> I have set up the account as imap but the folders dont show
[05:36:57] <az`> ptomter: oh, postfix now have an imap functionality too?
[05:38:13] <ptomter> no
[05:38:56] <ptomter> but the imap people in Dovecot says that that the fault is with postfix and not withmy imap config
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[05:56:01] <hparker> When an email arrives postfix will create it
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[06:13:29] <sn00p-> is anybody using postfixadmin and have a cofig.inc.php I can follow mine seems to be not working
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[06:50:43] <sn00p-> Hello, I am using postfix admin I have everything setup and i'm trying to add a mailbox, and i'm trying to add user sn00p and I type in the info and etc. and I hit create mailbox and it gives me invalid email
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[07:25:43] <sn00p-> anybody here use postfixadmin?
[07:33:40] <sn00p-> anybody alkive?
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[08:01:28] <polvi> hey guys -- i'm trying to modify the Return-Path: header on messages sent using the 'mail' command ... but using mail's -a options doesn't seem to be doing it
[08:01:42] <polvi> any ideas how else I could modify the header?
[08:01:48] <sn00p-> anybody use postfix admin?
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[08:06:48] <xpoint> sn00p-, not any longer
[08:07:09] <sn00p-> i'm having trouble on the admin page of adding mailboxes
[08:07:28] <xpoint> yes i can read it
[08:07:43] <sn00p-> i'm having trouble adding users
[08:08:01] <sn00p-> when I type the user name I want and I hit add mailbox
[08:08:07] <sn00p-> it says the email is invalid
[08:08:08] <xpoint> sn00p-, is anything working ?
[08:08:17] <sn00p-> I got everything setup
[08:08:21] <sn00p-> I just need to add users
[08:08:31] <sn00p-> postfix, dovecot, mysql, postfixadmin
[08:08:39] <xpoint> what is currently in mysql ?
[08:08:57] <sn00p-> what DATABASES-MYSQL.TXT told me to setup
[08:09:03] <sn00p-> from postfix admin
[08:09:08] <xpoint> ok
[08:09:33] <sn00p-> but i'm having trouble creating mailboxes
[08:09:59] <sn00p-> when I create new mailboxes for my domain
[08:10:03] <xpoint> have you checked that mysql maps works from postmap -q foo mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_foo.cf ?
[08:10:16] <sn00p-> no how do I check
[08:10:35] <xpoint> as i write
[08:10:52] <sn00p-> what is foo?
[08:12:18] <xpoint> eq if yuo have foo at example dot tld in mailbox mysql then postmap -q foo at example dot tld mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_mailbox_maps.cf should give a mailbox result
[08:12:38] <sn00p-> i dont have foo at domain dot tld
[08:12:55] <xpoint> it was an example on how to test
[08:13:04] <sn00p-> I dont have anyusers though
[08:13:31] <xpoint> still it was an example on how to test when you have :-)
[08:13:40] <sn00p-> I cant get it to add
[08:13:45] <sn00p-> thats what i'm having problems with
[08:14:00] <xpoint> have php sessions ?
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[08:14:13] <sn00p-> no
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[08:14:23] <xpoint> bingo this is needed
[08:14:29] <sn00p-> what are you talking abo ut
[08:14:33] <sn00p-> php sessions
[08:14:41] <sn00p-> that has nothing to do wit hit
[08:15:04] <xpoint> if i remember postfix admin needs to have sessions suppport in php
[08:15:17] <sn00p-> ok
[08:15:18] <sn00p-> i'll try it
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[08:15:29] <sn00p-> how do I add session support
[08:16:32] <xpoint> with gentoo sessions just need to be in make.conf
[08:17:02] <sn00p-> I'm not using gentoo
[08:17:02] <xpoint> then recompile php
[08:17:10] <xpoint> :-)
[08:17:53] <sn00p-> there is n option in make config
[08:17:58] <sn00p-> for sessions
[08:18:14] <sn00p-> ahh
[08:18:16] <sn00p-> found it
[08:18:24] <xpoint> you do use gentoo anyway ?
[08:19:10] <sn00p-> no
[08:19:12] <sn00p-> freebsd
[08:19:14] <sn00p-> i hate gentoo
[08:19:40] <sn00p-> sessions is already installed
[08:19:41] <xpoint> i hate to help freebsd users that do not know why thay have problems  :-)
[08:20:49] <xpoint> okay just a check that its ok with sessions, nearly all that uses cookies need sessions olso
[08:21:18] <sn00p-> The EMAIL is not valid!
[08:21:21] <sn00p-> I get that in postfix admin
[08:21:53] <xpoint> search for this in the postfix admin maillist
[08:22:28] <xpoint> if you realy typed a valid email then postfix admin is brokken
[08:22:39] <sn00p-> well
[08:22:46] <sn00p-> the way I see it
[08:22:58] <sn00p-> postfixadmin adds the mailboxes for you so you wont have to create it right?
[08:24:03] <xpoint> nope not that way, postfix admin adds the user into mysql, and last after this is done postfix admin sends an email to this user so the mailbox is created
[08:24:48] <sn00p-> I dont understand this
[08:25:01] <sn00p-> So you need to create the user twiec?
[08:25:10] <xpoint> nope
[08:25:12] <sn00p-> mysql is just used for authentication?
[08:25:19] <xpoint> postfix admin does it all
[08:25:24] <xpoint> when it works
[08:25:27] <sn00p-> thats what I was asking
[08:25:44] <sn00p-> But everytime I try to add a user
[08:25:47] <sn00p-> it says the email is invalid
[08:26:21] <xpoint> ask either maintainer in ports for this error, or ask on postfix admin maillist for that bug
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[08:31:03] * xpoint could have being more of help if i used freebsd :-)
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[08:41:42] <voltagex> I'm configuring postfix for the first time here, on a shell account the actual setup is done but are there any tutorials for postfixrc ?
[08:43:55] <rob0> I doubt it, because I don't even know what "postfixrc" is. :)
[08:43:59] <rob0> !basic
[08:43:59] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[08:45:46] <voltagex> ok, I got the wrong name, sorry
[08:45:50] <voltagex> thanks for that
[08:46:56] <voltagex>  /j #rockbox
[08:46:58] <voltagex> oops
[08:46:59] <voltagex> lol
[08:50:57] <rob0> Most configuration is in the main.cf file.
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[09:17:23] <xpoint> rob0, and postfix will work best with a complete empty main.cf as a starting point :-)
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[09:37:18] <ronartos> can anyone help?
[09:38:12] <ronartos> i want to send e-mail to netsales at un1 dot com but its outside our local mail, and out local mail domain is also called un1.com
[09:41:52] <R1ck> anyone know how I can implement autoresponders with postfix for virtual users (so not using .forward files)
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[09:46:16] <Signum> ronartos: how can netsales at un1 dot com be outside of your network when your mail domain is un1.com?
[09:46:31] <ronartos> its only a local mail server
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[09:46:50] <ronartos> but we also have an online mail server which is located outside out local network
[09:47:31] <Signum> ronartos: then you should not call your local mail server domain un1.com.
[09:47:34] <ronartos> here is the diagram:       workstation --->local mail server------->(main mail server)
[09:47:51] <Signum> ronartos: how do you get the mail into your network anyway? any mail should be delivered to your main mail server then.
[09:48:17] <ronartos> but the said user netsales at un1 dot com is now outside our area
[09:48:34] <ronartos> out local mail server serves as proxy mail server
[09:49:05] <ronartos> but if i send something like user at un1 dot com it will be sent to local mail box not on our main mail server
[09:49:53] <ronartos> so i just want to ask if there's a way i can send him an e-mail without going to his local mail box here in the office
[09:50:18] <ronartos> coz our main mail server has a webmail service too
[09:50:55] <ronartos> understand any? Signum?
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[09:57:03] <ronartos> anyone help ??
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[09:57:35] <ronartos> I want to send an e-mail to a non-local mail address but on same domain as our local mail address
[09:58:10] <ronartos> example in our local mail server we got this user1 at un1 dot com, and on our online mail server we also got user1 at un1 dot com
[09:58:42] <ronartos> i just want to send e-mail to him on online mail server and discard local mailbox
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[10:02:11] <marcster> hi. what command do i execute after editing /etc/postfix/aliases in postfix 2.3?
[10:06:52] <Signum> ronartos: you can send an email to that main server. but then you must not set your mydestination to that domain in your postfix.
[10:07:02] <Signum> marcster: newaliases - like always
[10:07:15] <ronartos> we got 100 e-mail accounts in our local server
[10:07:47] <ronartos> its like i just to let the 2 outside our premises users be able to get e-mail from our local server too
[10:08:05] <Signum> ronartos: you must either tell your postfix that your local server is responsible for the domain or send it out.
[10:08:14] <ronartos> how?
[10:08:32] <ronartos> i am reading about /etc/postfix/transport
[10:08:42] <ronartos> am i on right track or not
[10:11:28] <itom> hi all, I've noticed that with "postqueue -p" I've a lot of ""401D3BEE47    24442 Wed May  9 20:24:09  MAILER-DAEMON   \ (connect to mail.moldovatourist.info[202.84.15.144]: Connection timed out)
[10:11:45] <itom> the sender il MAILER-DAEMON.. postfix?!
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[10:14:38] <marcster> is it newaliases > /etc/postfix/aliases.db?
[10:17:04] <Signum> marcster: right
[10:17:33] <sn00p> does anybody use postfixadmin?
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[10:18:38] <sn00p> I need help with postfixadmin
[10:20:43] <marcster> exit
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[10:23:24] <gsoft> hello
[10:23:36] <sn00p> does anybody use postfixadmin?
[10:24:08] <gsoft> guys i have a lot of these errors:
[10:24:09] <gsoft> postfix/smtpd[7199]: warning: 49BD62440E6: queue file size limit exceeded
[10:24:21] <gsoft> whats wrong with this ?
[10:25:12] <sn00p> well its obvious isn't it?
[10:26:01] <ronartos> sending non-existent user on local mail delivery..how can i send an e-mail
[10:26:10] <gsoft> i dont know, limits are fine
[10:26:32] <Roobarb> disk quota limits?
[10:27:17] <gsoft> no quota , 30gb free space
[10:30:32] <Roobarb> is there a 5xx message after that in the logs
[10:32:51] <sn00p> anybody use postfixadmin?
[10:33:11] <Roobarb> sn00p: not me
[10:33:24] <sn00p> I use dovecot, and mysql
[10:33:29] <sn00p> i'm having problems adding users
[10:33:50] <gsoft> no, only this error about queue file size
[10:34:26] <Roobarb> gsoft: paste the half-dozen or so lines which match 49BD62440E6
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[10:41:56] <ronartos> i want to send e-mail to our other mail server which is same as our domain name..is this possible?
[10:42:26] <ronartos> our mail server treated user at un1 dot com as a non-existent local user in our local mail server
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[10:53:47] <R1ck> anyone know how I can implement autoresponders with postfix for virtual users (so not using .forward files)
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[10:54:53] <St3rnchen> hi
[10:54:58] <St3rnchen> anyone knows how many mails can i send whit postfix ?
[10:55:42] <sn00p> R1ck do you use dovecot?
[10:56:05] <sn00p> I need some help with postfixadmin please anybody on that uses it?
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[10:57:29] <R1ck> sn00p: yeah
[10:59:11] <sn00p> R1ck do you use postfix admin?
[10:59:57] <sn00p> i'm having trouble with postfixadmin adding mailbox i put in sn00p@domain and it says its invalid email
[11:02:43] <f3ew> try just sn00p?
[11:02:49] <sn00p> did
[11:03:01] <R1ck> sn00p: no
[11:03:16] <sn00p> sn00p just got invalid email
[11:03:25] <sn00p> when I hit add
[11:04:49] <sn00p> this is frustrating
[11:10:19] <Roobarb> St3rnchen: ?
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[11:18:13] <St3rnchen> yes Roobarb
[11:18:38] <Roobarb> <St3rnchen> hi
[11:18:38] <Roobarb> <St3rnchen> anyone knows how many mails can i send whit postfix ?
[11:18:43] <Roobarb> ?
[11:19:57] <St3rnchen> i need some infos how many mails can postfix send in a min
[11:20:27] <St3rnchen> i have a maiklserver whit sendmail they need for 100000 mails a 400kb 8hours
[11:20:59] <St3rnchen> is a dual core on 10mbit full/duplex line
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[11:22:39] <St3rnchen> any idear? Roobarb
[11:23:15] <St3rnchen> i found an old statistik postfix vs qmail but old versions from postfix
[11:23:38] <Roobarb> benchmarking is only relavent for *your* system
[11:24:08] <Roobarb> sending email is entierly dependant on the remote servers anyway
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[11:27:16] <inflex> Hello everyone.  Anyone know of a module/plugin in Postfix that could induce it to reset peer connections on a port 10025 loopback ?
[11:28:05] <inflex> I'm utterly perplexed because I'm trying to send "clean" mail via localhost-10025 after its' been filtered... and infrequently it'll just barf out randomly and say "connection reset by peer" - though I cannot find anything  in the maillogs to say why
[11:29:09] <St3rnchen> ok Roobarb THX
[11:30:01] <sn00p> grrr what is wrong with this piece of shit
[11:30:10] <inflex> sn00p: heh
[11:30:21] <inflex> I usually say that to Exim or QMAIL
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[11:30:24] <inflex> ahem, qmail
[11:30:56] <sn00p-> i'm trying to create a mailbox on tthe postfixadmin page, and i put snoop@domain and password and I hit add mailbox and it says invalid email
[11:31:07] * inflex longs for the day that qmail is rendered to an obscure reference in a dusty old book
[11:31:22] <sn00p-> qmail is so old
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[11:32:12] <sn00p-> how do I create mailboxes for dovecot manually
[11:32:13] <inflex> even TeX is more up to date than qmail
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[11:35:14] <sep> sn00p-, you can try maildirmake
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[11:36:43] <sn00p-> I dont have o work today so i have all day to make this bitch work i wont sleep until I do
[11:37:39] <sep> sn00p-, personaly i just let postfix generate the maildir, by sending a email to the address. something like a "welcome" mail
[11:37:59] <sn00p-> well
[11:38:43] <sn00p-> youu se psotfix to send ail and you use dovecot to recieve
[11:38:54] <sn00p-> mail*
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[11:47:39] <lkthomas> something funny
[11:47:54] <lkthomas> I am using email filtering program with maildrop
[11:47:58] <lkthomas> both shows no sign of problem
[11:48:08] <lkthomas> but the email just disappear in the end
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[12:01:11] <dgram_> I'm having issues with my postfix's spamassassin setup, upon receiving mail it spamchecks the message in a loop until it fails due to maxhops..
[12:01:33] <sn00p-> hrm
[12:01:34] <sn00p-> ok
[12:01:39] <sn00p-> i got the postfixadmin
[12:01:40] <sn00p-> to work
[12:01:52] <sn00p-> now I have to get the login to work with outlook
[12:02:22] <sn00p-> that should be a bitch and a half
[12:02:29] <dgram_> this is the relevant configuration snippet and logs: http://pastebin.ca/482570
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[12:19:36] <nightfreak> hi, i have a problem with SASL authentication, i get this log entry: warning: SASL authentication failure: no secret in database
[12:20:33] <nightfreak> authentification data is stored in a mysql db, the mysql log indicates, that no query is issued
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[12:38:47] <alecs> hi there
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[12:40:52] <alecs> there is someone who can tell me how can i remove my domain from yahoo ? i have 2 domains on same server: gremlin.ro (1) and allsystems.ro (2)... well when i send a mail from domain 2 i'm being bulk-ed
[12:42:24] <alecs> when i send mail from domain 1 i get error 421 : temporarly defered ... and my mail isn't sent any ideea ?
[12:44:03] <alecs> http://rafb.net/p/MJ8FVn82.html is a hheader example from domain 2
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[13:02:34] <frennkie9093> Hi, i just added this line to my main.cf: smtpd_sender_restrictions = [...]  check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/map_sender_access_fakelocal. In that file i have all domains which belong to my mailserver. Now when I send a mail to my sender and fake the MAIL FROM: part it gets rejected, but the error message is wrong:
[13:02:35] <frennkie9093> host my.server.com said: 554 <user at mydomain dot com>: Sender address rejected: Access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)
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[13:59:44] <Roobarb> frennkie9093: smtpd_sender_restrictions applies to the MAIL FROM address, not the RCPT TO addess (ie: not the domains your server acceps mail for)
[14:00:11] <jMCg> OH NOES!
[14:00:12] <jMCg> It's Roobarb
[14:00:21] <jMCg> I mean, hi
[14:00:24] <Roobarb> damn, you're stalking me...
[14:00:27] <Roobarb> I mean, hi
[14:00:32] <Roobarb> :P
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[15:06:46] <colo_work> hello there
[15:07:55] <colo_work> I've read on the web that it's possible to rewrite the envelope address of outgoing local mail via "smtp_generic_maps" and a postmap-file, though only for postfix version 2.2 or above
[15:08:28] <colo_work> the machine I'm expected to set up a workalike to this is running Mac OS X, and comes with postfix 2.1.5 - is there an easy way to implement this there, too?
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[15:13:32] <Roobarb> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html
[15:13:41] <Zand3r> Hi... Is there someone thatuses policyd-weight that might spare the time to take a look at an extract from my log files: http://pastie.caboo.se/60730
[15:13:52] <Zand3r> I woul dlike to be able to advise these people what is wrong with their setup that mailis bouncing.
[15:14:07] <Zand3r> But I am unsure what some of the output from policyd-weight means.
[15:16:01] <Roobarb> 87.224.22.226 does not resolve to bury.mezzonet.net
[15:16:11] <Roobarb> that is the problem
[15:17:35] <Roobarb> you probably can't change that, so you'll want to adjust that check
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[15:27:57] <Zand3r> Roobarb: Thanks. I would imagine that that is quite a common occurance. Can you reccomend any values for particular rules that will stop policyd-weight being so aggressive whilst not being so lenient that I am going to open up to a flood of spam?
[15:28:33] <Roobarb> I've never used policyd-weight, so I can't answer that
[15:28:37] <Roobarb> sorry
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[15:29:56] <Zand3r_> Roobarb: Thanks - I see that the email in question got a score of 1.5 - I'll up my threshhold to two rather than adjusting particular scores and take it from there. Thanks for the assistance
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[15:33:52] <Lap_64> from where i can set the size of emails can go through the mail server
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[15:34:45] <Roobarb> Lap_64: message_size_limit
[15:35:04] <Lap_64> Roobarb, in main.cf ?
[15:35:09] <Roobarb> yes
[15:35:18] <Roobarb> its in bytes
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[15:36:23] <Lap_64> so i can add a line in the end of the main.cf file like message_size_limit = 100 m
[15:37:41] <Roobarb> "100 m"   is not a number of bytes
[15:37:42] <Lap_64> 1000
[15:37:42] <Lap_64> but the correct syntax is
[15:37:42] <Lap_64> message_size_limit  = 1000
[15:37:42] <Lap_64> is it fine
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[15:37:51] <Roobarb> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#message_size_limit
[15:38:06] <Roobarb> that will allow only 1000 bytes (about 1KB) emails
[15:38:15] <Lap_64> what if i just do this message_size_limit = 0
[15:38:15] <Lap_64> does that means any size can go through
[15:38:37] <Lap_64> ok
[15:38:52] <Roobarb> I'd set it to "message_size_limit ="
[15:39:07] <Lap_64> Roobarb,  thanks
[15:39:21] <Lap_64> oh you wil lleave it blank
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[15:59:30] <Lap_64> Roobarb, i have put the limit of  1gb in bytes thanks for your help
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[16:05:50] <nightfreak_> hi, i'm trying to setup smtp authentication with sasl and mysql but cannot manage to get it working.  what does this error mean: "SASL CRAM-MD5 authentication failed: authentication failure"?
[16:11:06] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: exactly what it says
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[16:12:02] <livadic`cvetko> Question, how come my active mail queue is filling up with mails (over 5k mails in few seconds) ? How can I trace source of this spam ?
[16:12:28] <Roobarb> livadic`cvetko: show us a set of log entries for one message
[16:13:26] <nightfreak_> Roobarb: the mysql log indicates, that no query to the db is issued. any idea why, or where to start?
[16:13:51] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: paste "postconf -n" somewhere
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[16:15:54] <nightfreak_> Roobarb: http://hashbin.com/43c.html
[16:16:05] <livadic`cvetko> Roobarb, problem is that thru mail server goes alot of messages, cant even follow the log ...
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[16:16:25] <GusWrk> hi
[16:16:41] <Roobarb> livadic`cvetko: don't use tail then
[16:17:10] <GusWrk> can anyone tell me how I can change the max file size for my /var/mail/user file? It's maxing out at 57mb at the moment.
[16:18:04] <GusWrk> (cannot update mailbox /var/mail/gushy for user gushy. error writing message: File too large)
[16:18:11] <Roobarb> mailbox_size_limit
[16:19:54] <GusWrk> Roobarb, thanks.  that's not in my main.cf; explains why I couldn't find it.
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[16:21:19] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: if I'm reading the documentation correctly, postfix itself doesn't do the authentication; its's handed off to your SASL service.
[16:21:26] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: which one are you using?
[16:21:57] <nightfreak_> pam
[16:22:54] <GusWrk> Roobarb, I guess like most things mailbox_size_limit will accept 0 as a value for unlimited?
[16:23:06] <Roobarb> GusWrk: probably
[16:23:12] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: pam isn't a SASL service
[16:23:22] <GusWrk> Roobarb, sweet, I'll try it. thanks again.
[16:24:56] <GusWrk> Roobarb, it would seem the answer is indeed, yes.
[16:25:04] <nightfreak_> Roobarb: pam ist the authentication mechanism, is saslauthd what you are asking for?
[16:25:15] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: yes
[16:26:13] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: althoughI suspect the actual answer I'm after is "cyrus-sasl"
[16:29:18] <Roobarb> nightfreak_: maybe this will help you: http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html
[16:29:49] <nightfreak_> Roobarb: i'm not shure about cyrus-sasl, i followed this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier_ubuntu_edgy
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[16:44:44] <nightfreak_> Roobarb: it works now with mech_list: plain login, before i had mech_list: digest-md5 cram-md5
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[17:32:26] <mordaunt> here's an easy question    orig_to  in the logs refers to the alias that was then interpreted into the actual address right?
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[17:37:22] <Flimqy> Alright, so I'm setting up a honeypot server... I want to accept relay attempts from everywhere, and store the mails locally (rather than actually relaying them).
[17:37:36] <Flimqy> What's the best storage engine to use for this?  maildir or mbox, perhaps rotated nightly?
[17:37:40] <Flimqy> or is there something better?
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[18:52:32] <Flimqy> Is there any way to get postfix to accept mail for any destination domain?
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[18:52:45] <Flimqy> I want to effectively disable smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[18:53:16] <Signum> I'm not sure if postfix allows "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit"
[18:54:37] <Demerzel> or you could remove smtpd_recipient_restrictions all together no?
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[18:56:09] <Flimqy> I figured it out... mynetwork = 0.0.0.0/0
[18:56:10] <Flimqy> :)
[18:56:29] <Flimqy> Now... I just need to get all 'relay' classified delivery to happen locally to a specified mailbox
[18:56:53] <rob0> Yikes!
[18:57:05] <rob0> nono probably not that way
[18:57:14] <Flimqy> heh
[18:57:15] <Flimqy> why not?
[18:57:32] <rob0> Maybe a wildcard (regexp/pcre) in $mydestination
[18:57:43] <rob0> and the whole idea seems ... nuts to me :)
[18:57:43] <Flimqy> are wildcards allowed there?
[18:57:48] <Flimqy> hehe
[18:57:51] <rob0> pcre can do wildcards
[18:57:52] <Flimqy> the idea is to create a mail 'blackhole'
[18:57:59] <rob0> I know I saw it earlier.
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[18:58:27] <rob0> I didn't answer because I hoped you had a good reason for this :)
[18:58:32] <Flimqy> hehe
[18:58:35] <Flimqy> a couple reasons
[18:58:40] <Flimqy> 1) to build up a corpus of spam
[18:58:51] <rob0> Pointless
[18:58:52] <Flimqy> 2) to have a constant flow of email to test various applications with.
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[18:58:59] <Flimqy> #2 is the main reason at this point.
[18:59:08] <Flimqy> #1 is just a possible side effect, that we may at some point use.
[18:59:12] <rob0> it's not really email, it's mostly just relay probes
[18:59:23] <Flimqy> we'll get some email, too.
[18:59:27] <rob0> unless you're an MX, yes
[18:59:34] <Flimqy> yes, I'll set up MX for some unused domains.
[18:59:45] <rob0> and get those out to the spam bots
[18:59:55] <Flimqy> aye.
[18:59:58] <rob0> unsubscribe from some spammers lists
[19:00:28] <Flimqy> So now I need to get virtual_alias_maps to map *@* to a local user
[19:00:38] <Flimqy> I don't think that supports wildcards tho, does it?
[19:01:06] <Flimqy> docs say @<domain> works as a user-wildcard
[19:01:09] <Flimqy> but I need a domain wildcard, too
[19:01:14] <Flimqy> and just '@' doesn't work
[19:01:47] <Demerzel> hello folks ... i'm having some trouble with postfix and tls .. specifically when i connect from localhost, i see a STARTTLS option in response to EHLO but if I connect from a remote host, i don't see a STARTTLS option in response to EHLO ... here's a paste of a log of a transaction from a remote host: http://rafb.net/p/gxQxzl60.html
[19:02:18] <holiday_42> is there a recipe for header checks that can limit the size?  I have an antispam program that barfs if the header size is too large.
[19:02:33] <rob0> I wouldn't use virtual_alias_maps, although that is possible in theory. I'd use local and luser_relay.
[19:03:02] <rob0> But you'll have to know pcre or regexp syntax and not just guess at it!
[19:03:03] <Flimqy> rob0: I have luser_relay working for 'local' addresses... how do I get these 'relay' addresses to be handled by luser_relay?
[19:03:24] <rob0> The pcre wildcard in $mydestination.
[19:03:33] <Flimqy> ah
[19:04:48] <Flimqy> do pcre's need to be quoted or escaped there?
[19:04:49] <rob0> Demerzel: from an AOL user host to your server?
[19:05:10] <Demerzel> rob0: yes
[19:05:25] <Demerzel> rob0: it's happening from any third-party network
[19:05:46] <rob0> oh ... I was going to say 64.236.128.27 is probably an AOL proxy.
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[19:06:46] <rob0> Anyway, you have SASL errors, so proxy or not, your AUTH isn't going to work.
[19:06:51] <Demerzel> rob0: ah ok ... any insight on the problem? :)
[19:07:01] <rob0> !cisco_pix
[19:07:01] <knoba> rob0: 'cisco_pix' : The Cisco PIX firewall has a SMTP proxy feature which breaks ESMTP. If your Postfix server is behind such a firewall you should disable the SMTP Fixup feature.
[19:07:25] <Demerzel> are you talking about lines 40-42?
[19:07:34] <rob0> It might not be a PIX specifically, but I don't think TLS is possible through a proxy.
[19:08:11] <Demerzel> i'm not sure if there's a PIX behind me or not but i can try this from yet another network
[19:08:16] <rob0> 40-42 yes
[19:08:44] <Demerzel> rob0: definitely .. i haven't configured all that fully yet but i can't seem to understand why i'm not getting STARTTLS as an option in response to a EHLO
[19:08:57] <Demerzel> you'll notice there's a "match_list_match" followed by a "no match"
[19:09:16] <Demerzel> it looks like it's evaluating whether or not to send the STARTTLS option to the host
[19:09:19] <Demerzel> and decides against it
[19:09:48] <Bejgli> yeah tls will not work through a proxy or a pix
[19:10:15] <Bejgli> unless the proxy or pix has the cert file and they can control the traffic
[19:10:34] <Demerzel> hmm so will postfix not even bother sending STARTTLS as an option?
[19:10:45] <Demerzel> interesting note ... i should've tried this earlier
[19:10:48] <rob0> #34 you sent the AOL host STARTTLS
[19:11:13] <Demerzel> it seems i get STARTTLS as an option from a third party tho
[19:11:21] <Demerzel> rob0: on my telnet console here i don't see any STARTTLS
[19:11:30] <rob0> If the AOL host is a proxy, the proxy client didn't get STARTTLS
[19:11:39] <Demerzel> ah
[19:11:41] <rob0> telnet from where?
[19:11:51] <Demerzel> telnetting behind that aol ip
[19:11:56] <rob0> what IP/hostname, let me see
[19:12:02] <Demerzel> telnetting from behind that aol ip
[19:12:15] <rob0> gw.adderpit.com ?
[19:12:28] <Demerzel> no
[19:12:39] <Flimqy> rob0: It doesn't look to me like I can use a regex in main.cf; only in table maps.  Is that correct?
[19:12:43] <Demerzel> i'm telnetting from behind 64.236.128.27 into adderpit.com
[19:13:01] <Demerzel> to test out the tls functionality
[19:13:01] <Flimqy> Oh, but I can specify a table for mydestination = to look at
[19:13:02] <Flimqy> my bad
[19:13:13] <rob0> Flimqy: correct, a pcre:table or regexp:table
[19:13:29] <Flimqy> What should the 'result' of the regexp be?
[19:13:34] <Flimqy> just 1 or 0?
[19:13:55] <Flimqy> oh, n/m
[19:13:58] <Flimqy> I didn't read far enough
[19:14:04] <rob0> Demerzel: 250-STARTTLS for me
[19:14:24] <Demerzel> rob0: hmm interesting
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[19:14:49] <Demerzel> so you think it might be the PIX causing problems between me and the server?
[19:16:09] <rob0> Host gw.adderpit.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[19:16:12] <Demerzel> i just tried this from yet another network and lo and behold ... i get STARTTLS
[19:16:13] <rob0> your $myhostname should resolve to your address
[19:16:14] <rob0> looks like DNS trouble
[19:16:19] <Demerzel> fixing
[19:16:19] <Bejgli> pix don't hide the STARTTLS announcement
[19:16:19] <Bejgli> afaik
[19:16:20] <rob0> If it's a PIX, then definitely turn off SMTP Fuxup.
[19:16:27] <Flimqy> whee, that worked
[19:16:29] <Flimqy> thanks rob0!
[19:16:46] <Demerzel> rob0: are you 66.226.201.55
[19:17:14] <Demerzel> i'd like to turn on extra logging for that host to see if that "match_list_match" thing comes up or not
[19:18:10] <Demerzel> wow .. got quiet in here
[19:18:14] <rob0> Demerzel: in this particular case, yes, I was :)
[19:18:30] <Demerzel> rob0: (: could you retry connecting?
[19:18:36] <Demerzel> and a ehlo?
[19:18:37] <rob0> um, I don't have time to continue on it tho ... real quick?
[19:18:51] <Demerzel> just the log would be helpful
[19:18:59] <Demerzel> consider yourself done after that :)
[19:19:27] <rob0> ehlo'ed and out
[19:19:43] <Demerzel> great .. thx :)
[19:19:46] <rob0> np
[19:19:58] <rob0> death to SMTP proxies :)
[19:20:18] <Demerzel> got the same messages ... looks like there might be a problem between my current network and the server
[19:20:30] <Demerzel> that's more than i knew 20 minutes ago :)
[19:20:59] * hparker shoves rob0 in a proxy
[19:23:07] <Demerzel> now to look into the sasl issues
[19:25:00] <Demerzel> thx folks .. i've a feeling i'll brb
[19:25:03] <Demerzel> :)
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[19:29:42] <holiday_42> is there a recipe for a header checks that can limit the size of the headers?  I have an antispam program that barfs if the header size is too large... this causes a bounce :(
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[19:33:46] <unknown> hi everyone, i'm installing a mailserver, the server send email, but not recive, what could be that?
[19:34:11] <holiday_42> firewall on server or isp
[19:34:36] <Signum> unknown: do you not receive mail at all or is it rejected? what does your log say? is the MX entry correct? telnet on port 25 to your server works?
[19:34:54] <unknown> nop, i recive the email, it store in /var/spool/mail/ but don't delivery localy
[19:35:03] <Signum> logs
[19:36:18] <unknown> May 11 12:49:38 localhost postfix/local[20716]: 3E25197D4E: to=<juanpablo at uvm dot edu.ve>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
[19:36:33] <unknown> but i don't recive anything
[19:36:54] <Signum> looks good. you received the email successfully.
[19:37:14] <Signum> /var/spool/mail is the local storage.
[19:37:32] <unknown> the user folder is in /var/spool/mail/virtual/(the user)/Maildir
[19:38:01] <unknown> i'm working whit virtual users
[19:38:21] <blinx> hi
[19:38:39] <blinx> in my authmysqlrc is the section  MYSQL_CHPASS_CLAUSE:0
[19:38:44] <blinx> I want to use this function
[19:38:58] <Signum> unknown: virtual users != local users
[19:39:10] <Signum> !tell unknown virtual
[19:39:15] <blinx> hi Signum
[19:39:22] <Signum> blinx: hi
[19:39:41] <blinx> I can't access to my server with imap/smtp
[19:40:04] <blinx> cram-md5 and login/password don't work
[19:40:20] <blinx> what I should check at first?
[19:40:38] <blinx> evolution tells me that the server gives no respons
[19:40:39] <blinx> e
[19:40:44] <blinx> but all services are started
[19:45:32] <unknown> i am using virtual user store in a database, the user autenficate correctly, the user sent mail and that mail is store in the sent folder, but the only thing i think is the mail is don't delivery localy
[19:46:11] <unknown> i also can create folder an move any mail from the sent folder to the new one
[19:46:56] <Signum> unknown: local != virtual. mail received by postfix usually is not authenticated in any way. you are mixing a few things here.
[19:48:28] <unknown> then how i can tell posfix to delivery mail to the virtual user folder in /var/spool/mail/virtual/(the user)/Maildir
[19:49:13] <Signum> did you read the virtual_readme?
[19:49:18] <unknown> sorry to botter you, but this is my first mail server that i configure
[19:49:53] <Signum> that's no shame. but a good opportunity to read the docs.
[19:50:15] <unknown> ok, i'll read, but if i can't i'll ask again
[19:51:49] <unknown> only one question, if i'm using postfix i need procmail?
[19:56:04] <Signum> you don't need it but it's helpful for filtering/sorting mail. especially if you are subscribed to mailing lists
[19:56:31] <Signum> you are of course welcome to ask questions. but the people here will refuse to tell you things that are easily found in the documentation.
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[20:03:26] <blinx> Signum: I checked all confs but I didn't find any mistake
[20:03:38] <blinx> Signum: where and what I should check?
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[20:33:47] <jhutchins> Signum: For someone new to postfix, especially if they're new to mailservers in general, the docs are pretty badly scattered and opaque.  Running a mailserver is not a simple process, but it's still harder to figure out postfix than it needs to be.
[20:34:17] <jhutchins> Signum: Yeah, there may be a reference to the topic in the docs, but that doesn't mean it explains how to accomplish something.
[20:34:50] <jhutchins> There's also the problem that the many howto's this problem has inspired all do things differently, and some are based on obsolete options.
[20:35:05] <Signum> jhutchins: Fully agreed. But if I get the impression that I throw around URLs and the other person isn't even considering them I don't feel motivated to explain the docs again.
[20:35:22] <Signum> jhutchins: Starting with howtos isn't a good idea either IMHO because you miss the basics.
[20:35:41] <Signum> jhutchins: And finally there is no introduction that explains what SMTP is and how POP3 is different from IMAP.
[20:36:08] <Signum> jhutchins: Postfix is yet another example of a complete reference but a close-to-useless documentation for newbies.
[20:36:53] <xai> Signum: hey.. How have you been?
[20:37:22] <jhutchins> Signum: I got through it by using the comments in the config files, the man pages, the docs on the web site, and a couple of other resources.
[20:37:23] <Signum> xai: so far so good. working on too many projects simultaenously atm. :)
[20:37:31] <jhutchins> Signum: I've been running sendmail since before m4.
[20:37:47] <Signum> jhutchins: I dare say that postfix is easier to understand than sendmail. :)
[20:37:48] <xai> Signum: great.. you still working on using PGSQL in your mail system?
[20:38:21] <Signum> xai: actually I decided to stay with mysql. Read a lot of articles on mysql versus pgsql and found that mysql features everything a mail server would need.
[20:38:22] <xai> Signum: we have the chance to bid on a project that uses your system with GFS filesystem backend.. Not sure when though.
[20:38:25] <Signum> xai: At least with version 5.0
[20:38:30] <jhutchins> Signum: It having been so many years since I started, I wouldn't agree.  I really didn't see the whole thing about it being any easier to configure than sendmail.
[20:38:40] <Signum> xai: Nice.
[20:38:55] <jhutchins> Signum: When it comes to configuring more advanced options though, sendmail has ZERO references, compared to some for postfix.
[20:38:57] <Signum> jhutchins: You don't need a compiler to create a main.cf. :)
[20:39:01] <xai> Signum: yea, Mysql seems quite adequate. PGSQL is good, but I hear it can be more fun to setup.
[20:39:30] <jhutchins> Signum: I didn't use one to create my first cf.
[20:39:35] <xai> jhutchins: sendmail is so complex it needs another scripting language just to generate the config file..
[20:39:38] <Signum> xai: I've been using pgsql in a nice, complicated an moderately large application at work. I needed the "inet" type, subselects and views. and mysql didn't offer any of those. so there was no other choice. Besides that MyISAM is ridiculous.
[20:40:02] <jhutchins> xai: Actually, generating your own .cf without m4 is a good way to understand what's happening with the server.
[20:41:07] <Signum> xai: It seems that most pro-postgresql opinions are plain FUD. MySQL with InnoDB is a worthy DBMS. And what really annoyed me with pgsql is the lack of a good gui like phpmyadmin. there is pgadmin3 (buggy, uncomfortable) or phppgadmin (not even close to the features of phpmyadmin)
[20:41:08] <jhutchins> Things are more complex these days though, I certainly use m4 for most of what I do on the sendmail system, and I never did figure out if I could run a secondary instance and specify output on a different IP.
[20:41:38] <Signum> xai: I'm currently struggling if I should use a normalized database. That would be a very different approach. Or if I just keep the old schema. The latter option is lazier at least.
[20:42:54] <jhutchins> I guess the way I'd put my impression is that once you know what to do, changing postfix's config can be easier, but figuring it out's just as hard.
[20:43:10] <Signum> xai: But using the current schema is a waste. If I used a normalized database I could just say "delete from domains where name='workaround.org'" and all accounts and aliases would get removed, too.
[20:43:15] <jhutchins> Anyway, both are fine mailers.
[20:43:38] <Signum> jhutchins: To be honest. I wouldn't say that Postfix is especially simple.
[20:43:45] <pickcoder> jhutchins: how is postfix's man page more difficult to understand than reading the extremely thick bat-book?
[20:44:11] <pickcoder> sendmail is extremely powerful, but it takes years to learn to do things correctly
[20:44:13] <jhutchins> I think the bat book explains things better.
[20:44:30] <jhutchins> Is there an oreilly on postfix?
[20:44:36] <pickcoder> postfix allows you to do many things without a ton of programming in M4
[20:44:48] <Signum> The only MTA that doesn't require reading is M$ Exchange. At least I can't remember that I saw our corp mail admins read anything. They just click wildly until things work half way.
[20:44:57] <blinx> where I find the sasl2 dir in ubuntu?
[20:45:10] <blinx> it is not in /etc/sasl2
[20:45:11] <Signum> blinx: /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
[20:45:18] <blinx> thx
[20:45:37] <jhutchins> Yeah, running an MTA shouldn't be simple, you should NOT be able to just click a few buttons without reading a LOT.
[20:45:50] <Signum> blinx: unless ubuntu changed the location where the debian package has it :)
[20:45:53] <pickcoder> s/running/configuring
[20:46:04] <pickcoder> no mail server is plug-n-play
[20:46:29] <jhutchins> by the way, the reason I have this channel open is that another admin and I were trying to figure out how to get postfix to log hostnames on connect instead of "unknown (IP)".
[20:46:49] <pickcoder> your resolves aren't working
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[20:46:58] <jhutchins> pickcoder: Right.
[20:47:13] <jhutchins> Mine puts the hostnames in the message headers, but his doesn't even do that.
[20:48:09] <jhutchins> Hm.  That would probably be due to "resolve_numeric_domain = no".
[20:48:19] <pickcoder> or his /etc/resolv.conf
[20:48:38] <pickcoder> which has to be correct in /var/spool/postfix/etc/  if smtpd is running as chroot
[20:48:51] <jhutchins> pickcoder: No, other dns stuff works fine for him, and he checked that the files are the same.
[20:49:02] <jhutchins> pickcoder: I can't raise him now, will have to try to work it out later.
[20:49:28] <jhutchins> Well, have a good weekend guys. l8r.
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[20:50:53] <Signum> Hmmm, a lot of spam is getting through today.
[20:51:14] * jingo snickers
[20:54:41] <Signum> jingo: Oh, no... you don't live in south africa, do you? :)
[20:55:12] * hparker looks at his 2 lonely spams
[20:56:11] <jingo> Signum: nooo. Nigeria, but why do you ask? :)
[20:57:07] <Signum> Uhm... no reason. :)
[20:57:57] <Signum> jingo: Although... could you get a bag of money from a hotel? I have won in a lottery I didn't even know about and need someone to get me my 600 trillion bucks.
[20:58:32] <Signum> I like that guy who played tricks with the nigeria spammers into doing stunts of all kinds. :)
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[20:59:01] <jingo> i noticed these buggers grep the whois and get hold of your real name and stuff these days. not cool!
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[20:59:17] <jingo> Signum: heh, yeah :^)
[20:59:25] <jingo> all these photos
[21:00:19] <hparker> 419eaters
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[21:00:48] <jingo> heh, at work, since we put that very old mailserver to death, I receive no spam anymore ;)
[21:01:32] <jingo> for the moment I guess. it will come back sooner/later
[21:01:40] <Signum> I just wonder why they send their most stoopid spam to postmaster@.
[21:05:43] * jingo pokes needles into a voodoo doll depicting a spammer
[21:08:20] * Supaplex sees f3ew twinge
[21:09:27] <jingo> whoops, maybe this voodoo doll needs some adjustment?
[21:11:27] <jingo> Signum: just wait for that Web 2.0 thingie - there will be no spam any more, I heard
[21:12:19] * Signum poops on web 2.0
[21:12:35] <Signum> "You need a browser of at least 4 and a web of at least version 2 to view this page properly."
[21:13:56] <jingo> "oh, and our cross database check has revealed that you are not allowed to view this particular page. sorry and goodbye"
[21:15:21] * jingo imagines one of the Black & White creatures pooping on Web 2.0
[21:21:57] <xai>  Signum: will mysql5 have normalized db?
[21:22:17] <blinx> Error in IMAP command received by server.
[21:22:19] <blinx> why?
[21:22:21] <blinx> Signum: ?
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[21:32:46] <Signum> blinx: No idea. I'm innocent. :)
[21:33:47] <blinx> ok, I re-set up my postfix
[21:34:11] <blinx> but sending mails from other hosts, forwarding and my own host don't work
[21:34:14] <blinx> I will see tomorrow
[21:34:16] <blinx> thx
[21:34:17] <blinx> cu
[21:34:18] <blinx> good night
[21:40:54] <unknown> Signum, i tried, i now thikn is workin, but show me another problem
[21:41:21] <unknown> May 11 15:35:25 localhost postfix/local[25450]: 9D4AA97DBB: to=<juanpablo at uvm dot edu.ve>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (maildir delivery failed: create /var/spool/mail/virtual/juanpablo/tmp/1178912125.P25450.localhost: Permission denied)
[21:43:26] <unknown> but if i give all permission to every one, postfix create a file whit this "1 1178823835 1" in tmp
[21:44:39] <unknown> hello
[21:44:55] <unknown> ???? what time is there?
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[22:50:44] <lennard> does anyone know if there is some sort of compression for maildir, supported by postfix and/or courier-imap?
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[22:58:07] <sn00p-> hello, how come I send a email it says User and then the email how do I get rid of the User part?
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[23:11:20] <sn00p-> how do I fix this postmap problem? fatal: usage: postmap [-Nfinoprsvw] [-c config_dir] [-d key] [-q key] [map_type:]file... Password query failed: Table 'postfix.users' doesn't exist
[23:11:23] <sn00p-> ?
[23:19:46] <Dominian> does the table users exist in the database postfix?
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[23:25:32] <sn00p-> no
[23:27:04] <sn00p-> But it exists in mysql
[23:28:57] <sn00p-> this is really pissing me off
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[23:46:47] <pdbogen> Can I specify multiple recipient delimiters?
[23:47:14] <pdbogen> I.e., like '+-' if I want to use either?
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[23:49:04] <pdbogen> Seems not. :/
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[23:51:14] <pdbogen> Alternatively, is there a way I can have a simple substitution applied to the address on incoming email?
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