[00:00:08] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, depends on amavisd.conf
[00:00:39] <Fr0zen_> with a default amavisd.conf
[00:00:39] <xpoint> but default it will be discarded if i remember it
[00:00:40] <Fr0zen_> what happens :)
[00:00:43] <Fr0zen_> ah ok
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[00:01:29] <shasta> see $final_*_destiny
[00:01:41] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, you use amavisd without sql of any sort ?
[00:02:28] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, reason i ask it hat the config is not so intuitive when sql lookups is done
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[00:12:37] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, so to speak, amavisd.conf is default config if you use NULL in sql lookups, same as undef; in perl
[00:13:21] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, amavisd treverse from sql to defaults last
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[01:05:19] <jazzanova> hi
[01:05:39] <jazzanova> how can I forward for a particular alias to a gmail account ?
[01:08:43] <Fr0zen_> no sql lookups
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[01:27:17] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, good
[01:27:49] <xpoint> get the basics in amavisd.conf working first, then add sql if needed :-)
[01:28:20] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, take care not to make bounces to non local users
[01:30:58] <xpoint> i have alot isps bounce mails that should have being rejected in the first place, i could accept this from a beginner as mail admin, but definaly not from a isp
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[01:44:28] <Railer> anyone up for a question, my postfix was sending mail out fine, till the last couple days. My provider seems to have done something to block my out going email sent my server, but I still get my incoming fine. If I send emails out through my isp provider outgoing smtp I can still mail fine, does anyone know where I can change postfix to go through my providers smtp?
[01:46:13] <xpoint> change relayhost
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[01:46:41] <xpoint> relayhost=myisp-mailserver.tld
[01:47:53] <Railer> thank you
[01:48:08] <xpoint> in main.cf
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[01:48:57] <Railer> I was looking right at it, just wasn't sure
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[01:49:51] <xpoint> Railer, you can use fallback_relay if you want to try some of them direct
[01:50:47] <xpoint> Railer, fallback is only used if the normal mailservers say tempfails to you or times out
[01:50:56] <Railer> ok
[01:51:47] <Railer> so just add in fallback_relay=ispmail in main.cf?
[01:51:55] <xpoint> but if your isp says you must relay throught them use relayhost then
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[01:52:40] <Railer> should I restart the server for it to work?
[01:52:41] <xpoint> both can be used normanly, but only one of them is needed
[01:52:57] <xpoint> postfix reload
[01:53:12] <xpoint> is enough when the change are in main.cf only
[01:54:04] <xpoint> if the changes are in master.cf you have to stop and start again, a restart is not enough :-)
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[01:56:56] <Railer> thank you! it's working fine again!
[01:57:06] <xpoint> good
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[02:22:28] <Fr0zen_> any here use domain keys with postfix?
[02:23:29] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, yes
[02:23:45] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, just not dkim here
[02:23:56] <Fr0zen_> ah whats the best way to go about it?
[02:23:59] <Fr0zen_> got any good guides/info?
[02:24:11] <Fr0zen_> most of what i found on google is outdated late 04 early 2005
[02:24:22] <xpoint> guides is amavisd-new homepage
[02:25:26] <xpoint> Mark is nice with example configs on how to make domainkeys and dkim setups with postfix and amavisd
[02:26:25] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html
[02:26:46] <xpoint> read it slavisk :-)
[02:26:55] <Fr0zen_> :)
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[02:27:09] <Fr0zen_> kurva wuju
[02:27:18] <Fr0zen_> ooops wrong window
[02:27:40] <xpoint> linuxthreading is nice :-)
[02:27:56] <Fr0zen_> not really
[02:28:13] <Fr0zen_> FreeBSD is nice, linux = fat guys with socks and sandels and log greasy hair
[02:28:31] <xpoint> lol
[02:28:51] <xpoint> everyone knows that mysql runs faster on linux :-)
[02:30:39] * xpoint will have some tea
[02:32:13] <GMFlash> xpoint: everyone knew that a few years ago, these days its just a lie
[02:32:43] <Fr0zen_> i didnt bother replying... Linux vs FreeBSD makes me laugh.
[02:32:46] <Fr0zen_> I use CentOS though, it's not too bad, I prefer FreeBSD tho.
[02:32:55] * Fr0zen_ shits in xpoints tea, taste that sucka!
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[02:53:35] <xpoint> uh the tea was hot :-)
[02:53:39] <Supaplex> PostgreSQL > MySQL
[02:53:45] <Supaplex> :-D
[02:53:53] <xpoint> why ?
[02:54:45] <xpoint> becurse mysql follow the standards ?
[02:54:54] <Supaplex> lots of reasons. users can create stored procedures w/less hell, it's FOSS all the way around
[02:55:24] <xpoint> i will go away from mysql
[02:55:57] <Supaplex> http://www.google.com/search?q=why+postgresql
[02:56:07] <xpoint> maybe its better in mysql 5.x.x but i still have to see it
[02:57:30] <Supaplex> psql supported most of what mysql's played catch up on, for a few years.
[02:59:53] <Supaplex> like sub queries and sub selects. http://www.postgresql.org/about/
[03:03:07] <xpoint> i have to change from mysql to postgresql with postfix, last thing to do left is to make the same in courier-imap
[03:03:38] <xpoint> when i have this done i will say mysql is just for fun here
[03:03:53] <Supaplex> :)
[03:05:16] <xpoint> most of what i do i trail and error, so i know more what not to do :-)
[03:05:50] <Supaplex> ditto
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[03:06:50] <xpoint> Supaplex, have you solved a mysql/postgresql maps in postfix that makes domain alias working ?
[03:07:59] <xpoint> Supaplex, eg one domain as master domain, and other as domains alias where each users exits just like thay do on the master domain, i know it can be done with ldap, but i hate ldap :-)
[03:13:13] <Supaplex> humm ldap. you are brave. :-D
[03:13:37] <Supaplex> if you can wrap your head around ldap, I'm sure you can figure out postfix. 1m, let me see if I can find some hints.
[03:17:50] <xpoint> the ldap solution is done with a perl wrapper to mysql
[03:18:25] <xpoint> my plan is to make some magic in postgresql
[03:18:55] <xpoint> so postfix just query postgresql for the result
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[03:22:40] <Supaplex> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#virtual
[03:33:07] <xpoint> nearly this yes, just not close enough, my wish is for domain alias
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[03:34:10] <xpoint> the virtual aliases is for email aliases
[03:35:44] <xpoint> my dns server have template dns system so when i need a new domain with same hostnames i just create a new domain from the template, but i need a way of doing this in mail server aswell :-)
[03:36:44] <xpoint> i will verify that virtual aliases can or canot do this, thanks
[03:37:00] <Supaplex> select concat("%u@",alias) as address where "%d" = dalias;
[03:38:06] <Supaplex> alias = newdomain.example.com ; dalias = aliasforblah.example.com
[03:40:06] <xpoint> i will have to save this to later testing
[03:40:18] <xpoint> it looks right
[03:51:46] <xpoint> will it work with diff tld ?
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[04:00:59] * xpoint will have more tea :-)
[04:14:14] * Supaplex plays more $3c#n0
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[04:29:07] <xpoint> moon is made of chease no ?, reading why postgresql :-)
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[04:37:49] <Supaplex> as for maps, i'm considering making a stored procedure so I can eliminate sequential query latency. just drop one pair of %u and %d, and let the stored procedure sort it out, and return the best answer.
[04:39:18] <xpoint> i see overhead in mysql queries aswell, and wonder if this is why from postfix bad coding style with lookups
[04:39:50] <xpoint> why should postfix ever be intrested in to know if a tld is listed in mysql ?
[04:40:24] <Supaplex> I still have yet to simulate some things :)  I don't know how my systems will scale to 500k more emails daily.
[04:40:40] <rob0> are you doing some kind of mysql lookup on domain names?
[04:40:59] <Supaplex> it uses domain maps to determine if it's routed via the virtual subsystem or local.
[04:41:01] <xpoint> rob0, yes
[04:41:13] <hparker> It so, do yourself a favor.. Use postgres ;)
[04:41:25] <Supaplex> docs explain it better than I recall :)
[04:41:32] <xpoint> hparker, i am on track :-)
[04:41:34] <Supaplex> postgres: 2 mysql: -1
[04:41:48] <hparker> heh
[04:42:50] <xpoint> i ask in generic, why should postfix need to know of tld is listed in sql ?
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[04:44:06] <xpoint> hparker, how goes with the ups ? :-)
[04:44:46] <hparker> i've not bought any batteries for the APCs
[04:44:51] <xpoint> hparker, is it just that postfix doing dns treversiting in sql ?
[04:45:37] <xpoint> hparker, is it cheaper to get a now ups ?
[04:46:03] <xpoint> so far i have not changed my batteries here
[04:47:42] <hparker> I can do batteries way cheaper then new UPSs.. And if your's is more then a couple of years old, you ought to test them
[04:48:19] <Supaplex> I bought a whole box of used ones for $15.  Even if they're all crap, I can get $0.50/ea to recycle them. :)
[04:48:29] <Supaplex> 7ah12v deep cycle
[04:48:35] <xpoint> if i pull the plug it can nearly hold around 30 minutes this is imho ok
[04:48:40] <Supaplex> and a few 5ah ones.
[04:48:42] <hparker> That's a very common size
[04:49:16] <hparker> xpoint: Not bad, that's all I look for
[04:49:22] <Supaplex> yea, It's a good think I'm no old fart, or I would have broke my back trying to load the banana box into the car.
[04:49:27] <xpoint> ny apc uses 24v batteries :-)
[04:49:27] <Supaplex> s/think/thing/
[04:49:56] <xpoint> sorry only one in
[04:50:29] <xpoint> over 24v its highvoltage in danmark
[04:50:39] * hparker is an old fart, and it hurts like hell to move a UPS
[04:50:54] <xpoint> yes
[04:51:08] <xpoint> i wont travel with it on a bike   :-)
[04:51:16] <hparker> lol
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[04:54:19] <xpoint> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Email:_A_Complete_Virtual_System_-_Postfix_to_Postgres < hparker this is my guide :)
[04:55:00] <hparker> I normally look at the official guide @ gentoo.org
[04:55:02] <xpoint> i have got the maps done now, from my old mysql maps
[04:55:31] <hparker> Oh, as for sql, the docs at high5.net
[04:55:45] <xpoint> uptodate ?
[04:55:56] <hparker> Works for me ;)
[04:56:10] <xpoint> postfixadmin aswell ?
[04:56:26] <hparker> high5.net is postfixadmin ;)
[04:56:50] <xpoint> yes i know, but is postfixadmin stable with postgresql :-)
[04:57:27] <hparker> Uhm.. I'm still using it with mysql.. But, I'm low volume
[04:57:32] <xpoint> there have not being alot done in webapp in gentoo with it
[04:57:39] <hparker> bbl
[04:58:06] <xpoint> low volume can be under 1 million mails :-)
[04:58:19] <hparker> > 2k
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[05:02:41] <chiwawa_42> what frontend would you recommand for postfix management (excluding any mysql based webapp or a text editor) ?
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[05:09:40] <rob0> chiwawa_42, that all depends on what backend[s] Postfix is using, no? There's no way to answer that.
[05:09:56] <chiwawa_42> backend, you mean mail storage?
[05:10:31] <xpoint> chiwawa_42, i use openvisp, successer of postfixadmin
[05:11:23] <xpoint> http://www.oav.net/projects/openvisp-admin/
[05:11:24] <rob0> Mail storage? Access(5) tables? User management?
[05:12:01] <rob0> A lot of different aspects of Postfix might be using different backends.
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[05:14:33] <chiwawa_42> sry
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[08:24:57] <foo> "said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname," - is this because I don't have reverse dns setup? That's what I'm getting in the logs, hmm
[08:26:04] <foo> w 24
[08:26:07] <foo> whoops
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[09:25:50] <RT_852> re
[09:26:28] <RT_852> can i, and if yes then were a polish translation for 'error' messages...
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[10:13:42] <sn00p-> does anybody have a example I can follow for the main.cf f or freebsd?
[10:16:05] <sysmonk> ins't there one installed ?
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[10:16:28] <sn00p-> no I need to look at someone elses configuration so I can get this to work
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[11:30:17] <jsielemann> hi all
[11:31:06] <jsielemann> i have a authentification-problem with postfix and don't know how to go on...has anyone an idea? May  6 09:29:10 srv01 imapd: LOGIN FAILED, user=jsielemann, ip=[::ffff:91.5.205.94]
[11:31:18] <jsielemann> i tried to login via imap
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[11:32:36] <wingot> Anyone know how I would setup my mailserver so that any mail FROM a specific email address/domain is relayed, regardless of IP (Dad is moving around between networks a lot through work)?
[11:34:53] <smesjz> wingot: tell him to use smtp-auth and config Postfix to use SASL. He then auths with his user/pass and upon success you relay for him
[11:35:10] <smesjz> relaying based on From address is kinda evil
[11:35:24] <wingot> heh, yeah, I know it isn't recommended :P
[11:36:09] <wingot> But at this point I've got mynetworks = blah, *, so anything is better than that :)
[11:36:29] <wingot> Is the smtp-auth enabled by default, or will I need to look up how to do it?
[11:36:48] <smesjz> read up on http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/#authsmtp
[11:37:15] <wingot> Thanks
[11:37:23] <wingot> workaround.org is a postfix domain I take it?
[11:37:42] <smesjz> it's the domain of Signum, he's a regular here
[11:38:33] <smesjz> it can be a bit of a problem to get it to work. But it's THE solution for road warriors. It works a bit like pop3-before-smtp
[11:39:28] <wingot> Heh, yeah, I knew about pop3 before smtp, but it's not my pop3 that he is using (I'm setting it up because his ISP only allows from IP's within their networks, as most Australian ISP's do)
[11:40:27] <smesjz> Normally you relay mail based on the IP but you can also use the permit_sasl_authenticated to relay for authenticated users
[11:40:43] <wingot> Yeah, ok
[11:44:18] <wingot> Hmm, I've created that file, but where is the part where it says to edit the main.cfg?
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[12:08:57] <sn00p-> anybody have a good how to on dovecot for postfix ?
[12:09:38] <enyc> sn00p-: well dovecot is imapd I thought ?  postfix = MTA ...
[12:09:49] <sn00p-> RIght
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[12:10:04] <sn00p-> something wrong with my postfix
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[12:10:10] <sn00p-> i'm not getting my mail in pine
[12:10:53] <sn00p-> it doesn't say when I sen dmail to the server you have mail in /var/spool/mail
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[12:13:45] <wingot> sn00p-: htp://rimuhosting.com/support/settingupemail.jsp?mta=postfix
[12:15:27] <Signum> smesjz: sounds like in the next tutorial I should use a nonexisting domain instead of workaround.org :)
[12:16:21] <sn00p-> wingot I dont use webmin
[12:16:37] <enyc> Signum: hrrm example.com is available for this sort of thing ;-)
[12:17:09] <Signum> enyc: sure. but it has been funny to get all kind of weird mails at my domain from people who failed following the tutorial
[12:17:34] <enyc> ;-)
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[12:31:41] <sdive> hi, I run a Debian sarge server where I use Postfix to deliver e-mails. I seem to have run into some problems because everytime it sends e-mails out, it sends from apache@mydomain and for example Hotmail rejects this, because there is no .com on mydomain. In my main.cf I have set myhostname to mydomain.com and mydomain to $myhostname but still no solution. What to do?
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[12:34:58] <Signum> sdive: which process is sending the mail? apache? why is it using the wrong sender address?
[12:34:59] <jsielemann> mmmmh....i want to authentificate via mysql and sasl2, but my smtp always produces a pam-auth-error...
[12:35:02] <smesjz> sdive: you can modify the php.ini to set the envelope header. Like sendmail_path='/usr/sbin/sendmail -f bounces at yourdomain dot com -t -i'
[12:35:03] <jsielemann> can anyone help me?
[12:35:06] <smesjz> or set append_dot_mydomain = yes
[12:36:57] <sdive> smesjz, I have set append_dot_mydomain = yes. I think apache is the process that is sending the mail since it says apache@mydomain but I can't tell
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[12:37:50] <sdive> smesjz, do you want me to post my postconf -n in a PM to you?
[12:38:43] <smesjz> actually no :)
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[12:39:27] <sdive> smesjz, heh fair enough. but even though append_dot_mydomain is set to yes it changes nothing
[12:40:14] <smesjz> you can however pastebin it
[12:41:32] <sdive> smesjz, I just tried that but funny enough it has a query failure :(
[12:41:55] <smesjz> what does postconf mydomain say?
[12:42:17] <sdive> mydomain = mysite.com
[12:42:30] <smesjz> hmm, that looks ok
[12:42:43] <smesjz> and postconf myhostname ?
[12:43:09] <sdive> myhostname mysite.com aswell
[12:43:11] <foo> "said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname," - is this because I don't have reverse dns setup? That's what I'm getting in the logs, hmm. I think so
[12:43:37] <sdive> myhostname = mysite.com * of course
[12:43:48] <foo> Hm, /me doesn't think that was to him
[12:48:30] <sdive> smesjz, isn't that how it should be?
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[13:11:05] <sdive> smesjz, I little update. I actually think that the mydomain thing works now BUT when I try to send to a Hotmail account it says in /var/log/mail.log that status is bounced. What does that mean?
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[13:39:58] <Signum> Does anyone know a simple solution for archiving maildirs? Like creating a copy in an old tree of the maildir and moving mails older than a month there? 10,000 mails in my debian-devel mailing list folder are pretty slow even with mutt.
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[14:06:26] <jsielemann> i have no idea what's going wrong....sasl2 doesn't authentificate me...plz help someone
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[14:18:09] <xardias> hi
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[14:20:22] <xardias> is it correct that changing postfixs delivery method from virtual to maildrop delivery ignores postfix alias maps? i have forwardings which wirked before switchings and now cause a  "user unknown" error.
[14:20:28] <xardias> worked
[14:27:33] <smesjz> did you configure authdaemon/authmysqlrc?
[14:39:24] <xardias> yes, it works for mail users. but not for forwardings. it tries to look up the original recipient instead of the forwarding target.
[14:40:17] <xardias> forwarding at foo dot bar does not exist in the user database, but it should be forwarded to user at foo dot bar which does exist.
[14:40:30] <xardias> using postfix virtual delivery it works perfectly.
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[14:41:57] <xardias> this is my main.cf. http://rafb.net/p/koUqd312.html
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[14:42:57] <xardias> and maildrop is called with these parameters:
[14:42:59] <xardias> flags=R user=mail argv=/usr/bin/maildrop -d ${recipient}
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[14:53:09] <xardias> wen sending a mail to forwarding at foo dot bar which is redirected to user at foo dot bar.. which address does ${recipient} contain?
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[16:21:13] <sn00p-> Hello, How do I know where my mail is going when I send it to my mail server?? i'm not recieving it in my /var/mail directory i'm not sure where its going
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[16:28:00] <xpoint> sn00p-, logs
[16:28:20] <stony> hi
[16:29:58] <sn00p-> it says something about max cache
[16:31:01] <xpoint> out of disk space ?
[16:31:18] <sn00p-> i'm not sure
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[17:23:55] <skiter> Hi... I need that postfix send mail to mailbox after sender check, recipient check and helo check
[17:24:01] <skiter> how I can do?
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[17:37:46] <mindcooker> I'm trying configure postifix with mysql
[17:38:02] <mindcooker> it's really necessary to use postfixadmin?
[17:39:17] <skiter> no
[17:39:49] <skiter> maybe you need update the source code :D
[17:40:12] <mindcooker> so..imagine that I what to add a new user
[17:40:25] <mindcooker> how could I do that?
[17:40:54] <mindcooker> adding by hand to mysql database?
[17:41:24] <skiter> need a script to add user in mysql
[17:41:51] <skiter> or mysql commander :D
[17:41:54] <mindcooker> do you know where can I find that script?
[17:41:55] <mindcooker> :)
[17:42:44] <skiter> no...
[17:43:00] <skiter> it develops
[17:43:10] <mindcooker> oook
[17:43:10] <mindcooker> :)
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[18:17:10] <eat_life> how can i calculate someones maildir size?
[18:17:37] <mindcooker> du
[18:17:48] <eat_life> du?
[18:18:05] <mindcooker> using du command
[18:18:24] <mindcooker> and pointing to maildir ou mailbox
[18:18:28] <eat_life> ah ok
[18:18:52] <eat_life> does mailbox_size_limit apply to virtual accounts?
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[19:35:07] <enzo> hi
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[19:36:38] <devdas> .
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[19:57:38] * Signum tickles jingo
[19:58:06] * jingo waves at Signum
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[19:58:29] <jingo> pah
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[20:03:22] <jingo> damnit, I still have to migrate this one server of mine, but I feel so not up to the task (aka lazy) - shifting all those services around, again! :S
[20:03:47] <jingo> well I should say migrate completely - some stuff is already, but stuff like mail system still missing
[20:04:01] <jingo> all this extra work
[20:04:06] * jingo sighs
[20:04:10] <Signum> jingo: same here... vmware refuses to work and I can't test the new tutorial's setup :(
[20:04:31] <jingo> oh
[20:04:36] <jingo> free version?
[20:05:25] <Signum> sure
[20:05:27] <jingo> I must admit I only use VMware free on Win these days *blushes*
[20:05:28] <Signum> ;)
[20:05:35] <Signum> Is there a free version?
[20:05:57] <jingo> yes
[20:06:03] <rob0> Windows as *host* OS? Ugh.
[20:06:06] * Signum stops his mule
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[20:06:43] <eydaimon> how do I block a specific user from sending mail?
[20:06:53] * rob0 feeds an apple to Signum's mule
[20:07:01] <jingo> rob0: heh. well it's my work gear, and sometimes those linux zombies come in handy ;)
[20:07:10] <rob0> eydaimon: depends, how is that user sending mail?
[20:07:33] <eydaimon> rob0: I have no idea. seems the www account is sending out a bunch of mail. I'll have to do a security check, but I want to start somewhere
[20:07:48] <Signum> jingo: what free version do you mean? ESX beta or something?
[20:07:52] * devdas guesses a compromised PHP script
[20:07:53] <jingo> Signum: you have to register though, for a key
[20:07:55] <rob0> Could be a compromised Web form.
[20:08:02] <Signum> jingo: no problem... I have an account there
[20:08:13] <devdas> !authorized_submit_users
[20:08:14] <knoba> devdas: Error: "authorized_submit_users" is not a valid command.
[20:08:15] <eydaimon> rob0: I agree.
[20:08:19] <devdas> Hmmmm
[20:08:21] <jingo> Signum: i think it was called like VMWare Free or something
[20:08:30] <jingo> or even * Server *
[20:08:34] <eydaimon> rob0: is it possible to stop www from sending though?
[20:08:58] <rob0> !authorized_submit_users
[20:08:59] <knoba> rob0: Error: "authorized_submit_users" is not a valid command.
[20:09:11] <rob0> postconf.5.html#authorized_submit_users
[20:09:25] * jingo gives knoba some Red Bull
[20:09:30] <rob0> (maybe, as I said, it depends.)
[20:10:58] <eydaimon> rob0: the example in the man page seems good :)
[20:11:04] <eydaimon> authorized_submit_users = !www, static:all
[20:11:27] <rob0> Works *if* the web form is using sendmail(1) for submission.
[20:11:51] <jingo> heh, cool. for a start, I don't remember the mysql root password for the new hosts mysql anymore
[20:11:59] <eydaimon> well, it's a start
[20:12:05] <jingo> knoba: snafu
[20:12:15] <jingo> knoba: !snafu
[20:12:42] * jingo grumbles and goes back to work
[20:13:33] <Signum> !channelstats
[20:13:33] <knoba> Signum: On #postfix there have been 519421 messages, containing 22445342 characters, 3858098 words, 22899 smileys, and 16734 frowns; 6327 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 77961 joins, 7684 parts, 70098 quits, 3 kicks, 117 mode changes, and 24 topic changes.
[20:14:36] <eydaimon> what's the difference between static:all and static:anyone?
[20:15:20] * rob0 is not familiar with static:anyone
[20:15:32] <eydaimon> man page has an example with: "authorized_submit_users = !www, static:all", the default in main.cf is "authorized_submit_users = static:anyone"
[20:19:12] <eydaimon> hmm
[20:21:01] <eydaimon> see what nessus reports
[20:22:37] <rob0> nessus?
[20:22:53] <eydaimon> free network vulnerability scanner
[20:23:00] <eydaimon> http://www.nessus.org
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[20:23:18] <Signum> !learn nessus as a free network vulnerability scanner (http://www.nessus.org)
[20:23:26] <sonotos> hi everybody
[20:23:43] <sonotos> i hava a strange problem with my postfix / sasl system
[20:23:47] <rob0> Sure, but I don't see the relevance. I know what Nessus is.
[20:25:14] <eydaimon> rob0: there are plugins to test exploitable web forms
[20:25:25] <sonotos> everytime a winuser with outlook tries to send a mail with a attachment postfix just returns the error that relay sending is denied
[20:25:26] <eydaimon> or other web related things
[20:25:47] <sonotos> i just have that problem with outlook
[20:26:00] <eydaimon> plus, it's only your speculation that that's the source of the mail being sent... that's why I figured I'd do a full scan :)
[20:26:03] <rob0> but if the system's already compromised, the output might be ... suspect?
[20:26:08] <devdas> might?
[20:26:15] <rob0> :)
[20:26:24] <sonotos> can somebody help me?
[20:26:31] * rob0 trying to be diplomatic in wording
[20:27:06] <eydaimon> the security hole may still be there
[20:27:07] <rob0> MS Outhouse and Outhouse Distress are broken and very tricky to get authenticating.
[20:27:37] <rob0> Their error messages are useless.
[20:27:52] <sonotos> ok
[20:27:59] <rob0> Check logs and you'll surely see that auth isn't happening.
[20:28:28] <sonotos> i think they have problems with ssl, can that be?
[20:28:46] <rob0> First test and verify SASL with a real MUA. Then dig into the Outhouse quirks.
[20:30:10] <sonotos> with kmail, or firebird threr are no problems sending mails
[20:30:49] <sonotos> the server works korrekt for me, just the winuserser have problems
[20:31:26] <rob0> I've done it with Outhouse before. Make sure there's a LOGIN method enabled for SASL, because it won't speak PLAIN.
[20:31:56] <rob0> You have to also use SSL (smtps on port 465) rather than TLS on 587 or 25.
[20:32:20] <rob0> Some outhouses might do TLS, but I never met one.
[20:32:28] <sonotos> hehe
[20:32:35] <rob0> enable smtps in master.cf
[20:32:45] <rob0> anyway ...
[20:32:50] * rob0 is out for the day, bye all
[20:33:22] <sonotos> thx
[20:33:32] <sonotos> bye
[20:34:40] * jingo frowns @ all the crappy software
[20:35:26] <rob0> oh one last quick thing: "postconf | grep broken"
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[20:39:21] <sonotos> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
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[20:40:21] <N0S3> hello all
[20:41:07] <jingo> funnily enough, I set up a system some weeks ago, Java AppServer, Apache loadbalancer, all servers Windows, and this thing seems to run smooth, even under some load
[20:41:14] 
[20:42:14] <Signum> N0S3: nix habla spanisch in diesem channel.
[20:42:30] <jingo> and the setup was quite hassle-free as well
[20:42:55] <jingo> Signum: doing a new tutorial then?
[20:43:31] <Signum> jingo: if vmware server will allow me to install etch...
[20:43:59] <Signum> jingo: I don't like to use warez'd vmware workstation. but debootstrap isn't the perfect way to test it either.
[20:44:29] <jingo> I run an etch system here in that free vmware thing
[20:44:49] <Signum> can you /msg me your virtual machine? :)
[20:45:01] <Signum> why is it free then?
[20:45:15] <jingo> sometimes it seems to have networking probs, but never constantly
[20:45:22] <jingo> Signum: lol
[20:45:26] <jingo> 4 GB
[20:47:46] <N0S3>  Signum: ok
[20:49:27] <Signum> N0S3: try in english. we try to not bite :)
[20:49:40] * jingo watches jigdo assembling an Etch DVD
[20:51:04] <Signum> Debian-Etch-FULL.Razor.Linux.WITH.Keygen-*JIDGO-RULEZ*.iso
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[20:51:44] <jingo> yeah, warezed Debian rulez!
[20:53:57] <sonotos> and activation crack please
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[20:54:50] <jingo> still 4400 files to go tho. and the mirror is slower than my connection most of the time :/
[20:55:10] <jingo> ah, but it's free, so I must not complain
[20:56:11] <Signum> jingo: I burnt the first DVD at work... pretty much all you need
[20:57:53] <jingo> yeah, even netinstall is enough most of the time. but I just felt like I needed the real thing. now it's finally stable ;)
[20:58:34] <Signum> jingo: at work I run a debian mirror. interesting to see how many people already use debian there. ~30 workstations of 5000. and the policy forbids other OSs than windows for... hold your breath... security reasons
[20:58:49] <Signum> jingo: when we were asked to sign the it security policy this year we all refused :)
[20:59:11] <jingo> yea, right
[20:59:55] <Signum> jingo: and on windows other browsers than the IE are forbidden for... well, guess
[21:00:56] <jingo> I think here only one or two of the admins use Linux dektops/laptops
[21:01:32] <Signum> in our dep we all have two PCs. one for outlook and one to do real work. on the exchange servers IMAP is disabled for... $POINTLESS_SECURITY_REASON
[21:01:33] <jingo> Signum: heh, most of our customers have these cool guidelines as well
[21:01:49] <Signum> it sec policies aren't worth their weight in bouldercrap
[21:02:39] * jingo does stuff for bigger pharma companies quite often
[21:03:03] <Signum> We already got our stupid Exchange admins to open IMAP! But they refuse to open SMTP because that would mean they needed to relay mail for internal users. A total nogo of course. I get a headache. And my holiday is over and I need to get back into that crap tomorrow.
[21:03:04] <jingo> and I always find it funny how long they take to come up with rules and changes
[21:03:27] <jingo> Signum: congrats :)
[21:03:36] <Signum> jingo: right... :(
[21:04:30] <jingo> yes sysadmin is a nice job
[21:09:44] <devdas> http://www.lopsa.org/
[21:09:48] <devdas> speaking of sysadmin
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[22:55:27] <xbaez> hi
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[22:56:48] <xbaez> i need some help
[22:57:01] <jengelh> Hi. Do people have some example of proxy_interfaces?
[22:57:12] <jengelh> as in - real world configs?
[22:57:43] <xbaez> i have a postfix installation and have local acounts and virtual accounts, i received mails right in both cases
[22:57:57] <xbaez> but now i want to get my emails with pop3
[22:58:04] <xbaez> i have courier-pop
[22:58:26] <xbaez> but i don't have idea how configure virtual accounts
[22:58:47] <Signum> xbaez: you need to make postfix deliver the emails into maildirs. that is the virtual_mailbox_maps mapping must have a trailing slash at the end
[22:59:07] <Signum> xbaez: example... "joe at user dot org user.org/joe/"
[22:59:32] <Signum> xbaez: that will create user.org/joe/(cur|tmp|new) and put mails there
[22:59:47] <Signum> xbaez: courier expects a maildir structure. so if you point courier to the same location where postfix delivers the mails you are fine
[23:02:23] <xbaez> Signum, thanks, yes i have maildirs and i configure like you say the virtual_mailbox_maps, bu i don't understand how i point courier to the same location where postfix delivers de mails
[23:03:17] <Signum> xbaez: I assume you are using a database to store the virtual_mailbox_maps
[23:04:39] <xbaez> Signum, yes is virtual.db
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[23:05:27] <Signum> xbaez: I haven't played with that. just mysql and postgresql. but my authdaemonrc talks of: authmodulelistorig="authcustom authcram authuserdb authldap authmysql authpam"
[23:05:38] <Signum> xbaez: perhaps the authuserdb helps you.
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[23:11:32] <xbaez> Signum, thansk a lot
[23:21:17] <xbaez> Signum, sorry, one more question, if my configuration in postfix is one in local accounts that the Maildir is in $HOME and in virtual accounts the MAildir is in /var/mail/vhosts/domain.com/user/ for example , my question is if i have to configure the pop3d to say it where can find the virtual accounts ...
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