[00:00:10] <mcepl> but consider also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=215722#c3 -- some of these were fixed
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[00:01:01] <sysmonk> mcepl: too much stuff to read ;P
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[00:01:03] <sysmonk> lol ;)
[00:01:10] * sysmonk is lasy
[00:01:35] <mcepl> sysmonk: sorry, I am employed as a bugmaster and forgetting that people are commonly not reading hundred bugs a day ;-)
[00:02:07] <sysmonk> mcepl: just that it's 1am here
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[00:02:24] <sysmonk> and i'm after 9 hours of work and 3 hours of studdies
[00:02:27] <mcepl> where is "here"? it's midnight here (Prague)
[00:02:30] <sysmonk> and few hours of walking in the city
[00:02:37] <sysmonk> mcepl: lithuania
[00:02:44] <sysmonk> not far :)
[00:02:49] <mcepl> I see -- go to bed, man, and thanks.
[00:03:53] <sysmonk> i'm looking at the config params, i can't see anything to disable it
[00:04:02] <sysmonk> With Postfix versions 2.0 and earlier, a queue_minfree value of zero means there is no minimum required amount of free space.
[00:04:26] <sysmonk> and with >2.1, if queue_minfree is 0, it uses 1.5*$message_size_limit
[00:04:33] <sysmonk> so, kinda, no way to turn it off :)
[00:04:40] <sysmonk> atleast i don't see any
[00:05:04] <sysmonk> and, by the way, i didn't say it is REAALY the reason, it's just a first thing i thought of
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[00:05:21] <mcepl> sysmonk: OK, I will paste this log to the bug, can I?
[00:05:36] <mcepl> (hopefully, maintainer will consider that)
[00:06:23] <mcepl> sysmonk: but still -- why does it go to ALL partitions, not only the one with /var?
[00:06:39] <sysmonk> mcepl: i dunno, it's just a guess
[00:07:36] <mcepl> OK, let's call it a day (or night ;-)). Thanks a lot.
[00:08:04] <sysmonk> btw, where's the audit.log ?
[00:09:04] <mcepl> /var/log/audit/audit.log -- why?
[00:09:46] <sysmonk> i ment the one of your system, anyway, i looked at the bugtraq and found the link to it
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[00:10:57] <mcepl> my (or grep postfix of it) is on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=145732
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[00:14:37] <mcepl> sysmonk: and yes, I see this problem all the time (even with evolution sending to /usr/sbin/sendmail now)
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[00:25:57] <sysmonk> mcepl: looked at the sources, and i don't have any ideas except the queue space check
[00:26:08] <mcepl> sysmonk: cool, thanks
[00:26:11] <sysmonk> and why /boot - because it's a partition
[00:26:17] <sysmonk> wich is mounted
[00:26:22] <sysmonk> which*
[00:26:30] <mcepl> sysmonk: OK, good night
[00:27:00] <sysmonk> mcepl: i aint any developer or guru :) so it's just a guess and a pointing finger where you could search for stuff
[00:27:09] <sysmonk> oh, and you could just email postfix-users@
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[00:28:26] <sysmonk> mcepl: email to postfix-users at postfix dot org, maybe someone out there could help you
[00:28:41] <mcepl> I will try it again
[00:28:43] <mcepl> thanks
[00:28:46] <sysmonk> np
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[03:37:17] <xai> Signum: you online?
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[04:14:20] <Fr0zen_> mailbox_size_limit is irrelevent when you have virtual users correct?
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[04:54:37] <charasky> hi
[04:54:56] <charasky> sasl dont work remote
[04:55:00] <charasky> only local
[04:55:46] <dj-fu> what do the logs say
[04:56:23] <charasky> May  4 22:50:28 localhost postfix/smtpd[11546]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[201.250.28.225]: 554 5.7.1 <maurojs3 at yahoo dot com.ar>: Relay access denied; from=<danny at sanagustin dot cl> to=<maurojs3 at yahoo dot com.ar> proto=SMTP helo=<shuli7a>
[04:56:44] <charasky> 220 ***************************************************
[04:56:46] <charasky> ehlo localhost
[04:56:46] <charasky> 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
[04:57:47] <dj-fu> lol?
[04:59:15] <charasky> but local yes
[05:00:39] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[05:00:41] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
[05:00:41] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_local_domain =
[05:00:41] <charasky> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
[05:00:41] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
[05:00:42] <charasky> smtpd_delay_reject = yes
[05:00:43] <charasky> smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
[05:00:45] <charasky>         permit_mynetworks,
[05:00:46] <charasky>         permit_sasl_authenticated,
[05:00:48] <charasky>         reject_unauth_destination
[05:01:00] <charasky> myhostname = mail.sanagustin.cl
[05:01:01] <charasky> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[05:01:01] <charasky> myorigin = /etc/mailname
[05:01:01] <charasky> mydestination = test.sanagustin.cl, mailserver.sanagustin.cl, server-sanagustin.sanagustin.cl, sanagustin.cl, localhost.sanagustin.cl, localhost
[05:01:01] <charasky> relayhost =
[05:01:03] <charasky> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.10.0/24
[05:01:05] <charasky> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
[05:01:08] <charasky> mailbox_size_limit = 0
[05:01:09] <charasky> recipient_delimiter = +
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[05:15:06] <charasky> dj-fu,  my main.cf ys wrong?
[05:15:09] <charasky> is
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[05:48:15] <eat_life> is postfix planning to add quota support?
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[05:54:27] <glitchz> yeah maybe but i hate computers eat_life
[05:56:25] <eat_life> ok
[05:56:46] <eat_life> why'd you /whois me?
[05:58:16] <glitchz> no i didnt
[05:59:10] <eat_life> are you a developer?
[05:59:12] <eat_life> for postfix..
[05:59:37] <glitchz> no im not
[05:59:45] <glitchz> just noob user
[06:00:21] <charasky> eat_life,  you can heko me?
[06:00:25] <charasky> help
[06:01:11] <charasky> anybode can help me?
[06:01:21] <charasky> anybody
[06:02:01] <Motoko-chan> There is quota support in a patch
[06:02:17] <Motoko-chan> charasky, perhaps stating your problem would be a good start.
[06:02:24] <rob0> There are filesystem quotas for local(8) users.
[06:02:41] <charasky> sasl dont work remote
[06:02:58] <charasky> ehlo localhost
[06:03:01] <Motoko-chan> Authenticating to a remote system?
[06:03:15] <charasky> command not reconized
[06:03:25] <charasky> nop
[06:03:34] <charasky> myhostname = mail.sanagustin.cl
[06:03:35] <charasky> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[06:03:35] <charasky> myorigin = /etc/mailname
[06:03:35] <charasky> mydestination = test.sanagustin.cl, mailserver.sanagustin.cl, server-sanagustin.sanagustin.cl, sanagustin.cl, localhost.sanagustin.cl, localhost
[06:03:35] <charasky> relayhost =
[06:03:35] <rob0> ??
[06:03:36] <charasky> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.10.0/24
[06:03:39] <charasky> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
[06:03:40] <charasky> mailbox_size_limit = 0
[06:03:42] <charasky> recipient_delimiter = +
[06:03:43] 
[06:03:44] <Motoko-chan> DON'T PASTE IN HERE
[06:03:46] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[06:03:49] <rob0> DO NOT :)
[06:03:49] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
[06:03:50] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_local_domain =
[06:03:54] <charasky> broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
[06:03:56] <charasky> smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
[06:03:58] <charasky> smtpd_delay_reject = yes
[06:03:59] <charasky> smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
[06:04:02] <charasky>         permit_mynetworks,
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[06:04:04] <charasky>         permit_sasl_authenticated,
[06:04:06] <charasky>         reject_unauth_destination
[06:04:07] <charasky> excuse me
[06:04:10] <charasky> this is my configuration
[06:04:18] <charasky> :/
[06:04:22] <rob0> You already flooded once.
[06:04:43] <rob0> !debug
[06:04:43] <knoba> rob0: 'debug' : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.com/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[06:05:25] <Motoko-chan> Is it over?
[06:05:39] <rob0> Hope so.
[06:05:51] <charasky> yes
[06:07:06] <hparker> Whee
[06:07:14] <hparker> !pastebin
[06:07:14] <knoba> hparker: 'pastebin' : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[06:08:10] <rob0> I wonder if knoba could train to kick flooders?
[06:08:22] <rob0> s/train/be trained/
[06:08:34] <hparker> hehe
[06:08:54] <hparker> *SPANK* ;)
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[06:11:49] <Motoko-chan> Well, hitting flooders with a train might be mre fun
[06:11:51] <Motoko-chan> more
[06:12:18] <charasky> http://rafb.net/p/BzxeZs27.html
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[06:13:15] <rob0> Is that just the main.cf we've already seen twice, or are there logs as !debug told you to check?
[06:14:32] <charasky> smtpd -v?
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[06:16:46] <rob0> !cisco_pix
[06:16:46] <knoba> rob0: 'cisco_pix' : The Cisco PIX firewall has a SMTP proxy feature which breaks ESMTP. If your Postfix server is behind such a firewall you should disable the SMTP Fixup feature.
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[06:19:00] <charasky> i dont know it rob0
[06:19:51] <Motoko-chan> Many other firewalls break esmtp too
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[06:19:58] <Motoko-chan> Like the Watchguard Firebox
[06:20:51] <charasky> Motoko-chan,  rob0  thanx
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[06:25:16] <rob0> Whatever it is, that error's almost certainly due to a proxy.
[06:39:58] <Fr0zen_> in amavisd-new is milter only for sendmail ?
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[06:41:15] <Fr0zen_> soryr fot disconnected
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[06:45:06] <charasky> smtpd -v
[06:45:09] <charasky> http://rafb.net/p/4uOxEX74.html
[06:45:10] <charasky> partial
[06:46:34] <charasky> connect/get/post?
[06:47:02] <charasky> behind of proxy?
[06:47:56] <rob0> 04:24 < rob0> Whatever it is, that error's almost certainly due to a proxy.
[06:48:27] <charasky> rob0,  thanx very much
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[06:49:38] <rob0> There is no way for AUTH to work behind that proxy.
[06:49:59] <charasky> any solutions for it?
[06:53:44] <rob0> sure, lots. Easiest: kill the proxy. Also easy, if client IP is static: $mynetworks. Harder: use a VPN to bypass the proxy.
[06:54:30] <charasky> thanx rob0
[06:55:33] <rob0> You could even rig up some out-of-protocol kludge like (ugh) pop-before-SMTP or a Web form to update a check_client_access list.
[06:56:24] <charasky> pop-before-SMTP dont work :(
[06:56:38] <charasky> similar problem
[06:57:06] <rob0> A proxy shouldn't affect that.
[07:00:03] <eat_life> so anyone use http://vda.sourceforge.net/ to get soft quotas for postfix?
[07:01:58] <xpoint> eat_life, courier-imap have delivery-quota lda, so no patch is needed in postfix :-)
[07:02:57] <eat_life> lda?
[07:03:49] <xpoint> time for me to go to bed
[07:03:56] <xpoint> later
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[09:07:04] <citybird> hi, looking for documentation to configure postfix as a head machine to forward all mail to another server (ie exchange) after scanning.
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[09:54:42] <Lap_64> is there anyone who is facing problems in sending emails to hotmail and using postfix on host ?
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[10:03:11] <telmich> if I add entries to virtual_domain table and virtual_alias table, do I have to reload postfix?
[10:03:17] <telmich> the tables are both pgsql:
[10:06:42] <rob0> telmich: no. Lookups are done when mail comes in. If you change your query, a reload might speed things up, but even then not strictly necessary.
[10:08:05] <rob0> Lap_64: a common issue, has nothing to do with Postfix. Might have something to do with your $myhostname and reverse DNS, or you being in a dynamic IP range. Or it might just be hotmail being stupid.
[10:08:32] <telmich> rob0: ok
[10:08:56] <Lap_64> rob0, rDNS entries are there
[10:09:05] <Lap_64> rob0, $myhostname is fine
[10:09:11] <Lap_64> its must be hotmail
[10:09:27] <rob0> citybird: postconf.5.html#relay_domains and ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html#relay_domain_class .
[10:11:13] <rob0> citybird: a lot of people post about that on the mailing list.
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[10:26:53] <xardias> hi
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[11:00:17] <xardias> can anyone give me a keyword what tool/config i should use when i want to filter mail delivery serverside? (such as "move all mails with x-spam to INBOX/SPAM instead of INBOX)?
[11:01:23] <smesjz> sieve procmail maildrop
[11:02:24] <smesjz> sieve is used by Cyrus and Dovecot's LDA. Maildrop can be used easily with Courier and procmail with Postfix's default delivery (virtual)
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[11:03:34] <xardias> thanks then i will have a look at maildrop :)
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[11:05:28] <smesjz> yea, maildrop syntax is nice. You can drop mail in a certain box depending on the score. So everything < 7.5 can be put in a global spam box while everything above it can be discarded (/dev/null)
[11:07:47] <smesjz> the docs on integrating maildrop with Postfix can also be found at the postfix site
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[12:22:24] <xardias> hm. can i use procmail with the mailbox format and virtual users? or should i use maildrop instead?
[12:23:19] <Signum> xardias: maildrop!
[12:23:26] <xardias> okay, thanks.
[12:24:49] <smesjz> hi Chris ;)
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[12:25:47] <smesjz> i am trying to migrate maildrop filter scripts to Sieve. But it's an impossible job because Sieve isnt as nearly as flexible as maildrop
[12:25:54] <Signum> smesjz: morning
[12:26:09] <Signum> smesjz: but sieve is user-configurable :)
[12:27:31] <smesjz> yea, but I only want a global filter. Sieve can't manipulate headers, doesn't support absolute Maildir paths, can't call external apps and doesn't support 'cc' to a mailbox
[12:27:45] <smesjz> cc without feeding it back to the MTA that is
[12:31:11] <Signum> smesjz: I wasn't aware it doesn't support such basic features
[12:37:49] <smesjz> neither was I.
[12:41:00] <Signum> have I today already had the idea to write an MDA? :)
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[12:50:52] <citybird> thanks rob0
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[13:01:25] <ayeuu> hi there, does a "virtual_mailbox_domains =  plain.text.file.not.hash" for < 1000 domains listed in it is fast to use please ? oris it better to make an hash file ?
[13:01:54] <Signum> ayeuu: it's much better to hash the file which is just a matter of running "postmap"
[13:02:12] <Signum> ayeuu: I'm used to always use hash even if those are just 10 domains. :)
[13:05:44] <ayeuu> Signum: for hash,we have to make doubles for everydemaine isn't it ? ( like in the first line:"my.virt.domain    my.virt.domain" and not just "my.virt.domain" as a plain text need ?
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[13:07:14] <ayeuu> s/everydemaine/every domain
[13:07:46] <smesjz> no
[13:07:51] <smesjz> postmap takes care of that
[13:08:00] <ayeuu> ok, thx
[13:08:25] <smesjz> so you can convert /etc/plain.text.file to a hash using postmap /etc/plain.text
[13:08:50] <smesjz> and then specify: hash:/etc/plain.text
[13:09:26] <ayeuu> ok, so when there are more than 10 lines in a file, it's better to use hash ?
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[13:13:07] <Signum> ayeuu: there is no fixed rule. but in general it's faster. so unless you don't care for speed or efficiency you may as well use text files
[13:13:52] <ayeuu> ok, thx
[13:17:11] <smesjz> in case of autoreplies the $mailbox variabele seems to contain the recipient address...strange naming. So $recipient = joe at domain dot tld@autoreply.domain.tld but $mailbox = joe at domain dot tld . Strange
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[14:05:42] <danige> glad to have #postfix...
[14:05:46] <danige> hi folx
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[14:08:17] <danige> I have yesterday fixed my SPAM relay, in order to not relay spam any longer, and it seemed to work, however now I got around 650 Delivery reports telling me that SPAM that I had sent out today, could not be delivered.
[14:08:46] <sep> danige, that's expected
[14:09:33] <danige> what does it mean? this was stuff on the system that I just refused to send today?
[14:09:35] <sep> you should delete each and every one and recite the words " i will never be a spam relay again" for each bounce message you delete :)
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[14:10:19] <danige> thanks for the great hint. Do you mean this was the end of being a spam relay, or is this just the next hole I have to mend?
[14:10:20] <sep> you should stop spam from coming into your system in the firstplacee
[14:10:32] <danige> that is what I am afraid of...
[14:10:37] <sep> if you have fixed that.- then the rest is cleanup
[14:11:01] <danige> So you think I am now in the cleanup phase? I will try...
[14:11:16] <sep> depends on what your spam relay was in the firstplace and how you fixed it.
[14:12:37] <sep> you have read http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt i assume ?
[14:25:09] <smesjz> Signum: and another benefit of Dovecot of maildrop is that its delivery agent can use a template for the user's homedir, so avoiding a lookup if you're using an sql backend. But still maildrop is much versatile when it comes to filtering
[14:26:57] <Signum> smesjz: I didn't quite get that. What is a template? And is it a benefit of dovecot or maildrop?
[14:28:12] <danige> sep: assume nothing get proof for everything...
[14:29:50] <blinx> I want md5 authentification
[14:30:02] <blinx> MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD md5
[14:30:20] <blinx> in my courier authmysqlrc
[14:30:37] <blinx> but how I should go on?
[14:32:38] <Signum> blinx: what do you mean? store the password in md5-hashed format and that's it
[14:33:13] <blinx> my evolution checks the supported formats and md5 is not supported
[14:33:32] <blinx> I have my password in the mysql db stored, in md56
[14:34:31] <blinx>  I restarted the authdaemon but you see no effect
[14:35:05] <blinx> btw: which one of the authentification methods is the default for md5? there is cram-md5 and md5-digest
[14:35:57] <Signum> blinx: those are just the transport mechanisms between your MUA and Courier. it has nothing to do with the way the password is stored in the database
[14:35:57] <blinx> Signum: sorry but I have no idea...
[14:36:23] <Signum> blinx: in fact to use cram-md5 or digest-md5 you need to store the password in the database in cleartext so that the digests can be calculated.
[14:36:37] <Signum> blinx: so if your MUA shows that only plaintext is allowed (and I suggest you use TLS on top) then you are fine
[14:39:10] <blinx> I'm using TLS and plaintext
[14:39:35] <smesjz> Signum: if you have joe at domain dot tld as e-mail address and the Maildir in /var/vmail/domain.tld/joe layout you can tell that to Dovecot by using variables. Where %d refers to the domain.tld and %n (name) refers to 'joe'. Thus you can create a template like: maildir_location = /var/vmail/%d/%n. Thus avoiding a database lookup
[14:40:04] <blinx> ah
[14:40:19] <smesjz> that's what the dovecot delivery agent does
[14:40:37] <smesjz> unlike maildrop which queries its Courier Authdaemon for the path
[14:40:37] <blinx> concerning this topic I have a question, too: how I can manage that postfix creates the directories automatically?
[14:41:08] <smesjz> blinx: using the 'virtual' delivery agent of Postfix?
[14:41:15] <smesjz> it should do that automaticcally
[14:41:40] <blinx> I add a user in my db and I want to use it
[14:41:54] <blinx> but I have to wait a long time
[14:42:11] <blinx> so it is better to create the directories manually, I thought
[14:42:31] <Signum> blinx: no need to. just send a welcome email to that user and postfix will create the maildir
[14:42:46] <smesjz> well, dovecot creates the maildirs on the fly (when a user logs in for example). Courier IMAP doesn't do that and neither does maildrop
[14:43:00] <blinx> Signum: that is the trick
[14:43:33] <blinx> Signum: back to the md5 thing
[14:44:13] <blinx> Signum: did I understand you right that it should work only with clearpassword in my db?
[14:45:08] <smesjz> uhm, clearpasswords are evil imho and there is no need to use them
[14:45:32] <blinx> I know
[14:45:51] <blinx> #MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD md5
[14:45:51] <blinx> MYSQL_CLEAR_PWFIELD password
[14:45:54] <blinx> I have 2 tables
[14:45:57] <blinx> or fields
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[14:46:17] <blinx> I'm not compliant with mysql things ;-)
[14:46:36] <blinx> one is with the password (cleartext) and the other one is with the md5
[14:48:24] <blinx> Signum: can you explain me what I should do that md5 authentification will be supported?
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[14:48:33] <blinx> please... :)
[14:49:38] <mickkyGZ> hi
[14:51:49] <Signum> blinx: you either use the clear_pwfield or the crypt_pwfield (should be documented in the courier config file)
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[15:22:27] <blinx> # Either MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD or MYSQL_CLEAR_PWFIELD must be defined.  Both
[15:22:27] <blinx> # are OK too. crypted passwords go into MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD, cleartext
[15:22:27] <blinx> # passwords go into MYSQL_CLEAR_PWFIELD.  Cleartext passwords allow
[15:22:27] <blinx> # CRAM-MD5 authentication to be implemented.
[15:22:39] <blinx> that is documented in the conf
[15:23:06] <blinx> I don't understand the last point the last point...
[15:23:32] <blinx> does courier use the md5 directly or generates it the md5 from the clearpassword?
[15:23:35] <blinx> ?
[15:25:35] <blinx> http://files.builtin.de/authmysqlrc <- this is the actual config
[15:26:15] <blinx> if I uncomment the crypt field and comment out the clear field, it won't work with any md5 mechanism
[15:26:18] <smesjz> you can do something like: update mailboxes set md5=md5(clear); pr sp
[15:26:34] <smesjz> and courier supports safer mechs too..like SHA256 and its family
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[15:27:01] <blinx> so what would be the safest method?
[15:28:15] <smesjz> dunno...crypt-md5 is nice but I have sha256 for example
[15:28:28] <smesjz> but that makes it a bit more difficult to migrate to other mailservers
[15:29:18] <blinx> the point is I have to change to another mechanism
[15:29:46] <blinx> what I have to do for sha256 instead md5?
[15:31:54] <blinx> smesjz: can you explain me that, please?
[15:34:11] <blinx> you see above my authmysql conf
[15:34:11] <blinx> what I have to change there / can you paste your conf (without passwords :))?
[15:34:12] <smesjz> well, you need a program that generates sha256 passwords. I use PHP for that
[15:34:39] <smesjz> return "{SHA256}".base64_encode(hash('sha256',$pass,true));
[15:34:46] <sysmonk> crypt-md5 is not md5
[15:34:52] <smesjz> and the $pass is a plain text password
[15:35:06] <smesjz> sysmonk: i never said they were the same, did I?
[15:35:16] <sysmonk> smesjz: i'm pointing to blinx words
[15:35:17] <blinx> smesjz: you have a script to do that?
[15:35:26] <sysmonk> 05-05 16:26:16 < blinx> if I uncomment the crypt field and comment out the clear field, it won't work with any md5 mechanism
[15:35:58] <smesjz> blinx: yea, wrote something myself for user administration
[15:35:59] <blinx> sysmonk: why is md5 in the name "crypt-md5" ?
[15:36:13] <sysmonk> blinx: why is CRAM in the crypt-md5 field?
[15:36:16] <smesjz> :)
[15:36:31] <blinx> I searched for something to do that but nothing is really good for me..
[15:36:34] <smesjz> crypt != CRAM
[15:36:45] <blinx> yes, smesjz I understand
[15:36:56] <sysmonk> blinx: cram stands for something like challange responds authentication something ...
[15:37:05] <sysmonk> don't remember the full name
[15:37:06] <blinx> yes
[15:37:09] <blinx> I read something on wp
[15:37:17] <sysmonk> it's ... ummm ...
[15:37:26] <blinx> smesjz: can I take a look at your script?
[15:37:32] <sysmonk> you don't send your password in ANY way
[15:37:39] <sysmonk> you have a plain text password on the server
[15:37:47] <sysmonk> and you have your password on the client side
[15:37:53] <sysmonk> when you connect to the server, server givs you a string
[15:38:02] <blinx> only the hash which is encrypted with a key which again is created by time
[15:38:13] <blinx> complicated sentence :)
[15:38:13] <sysmonk> you have to encrypt the string + your username with md5
[15:38:25] <sysmonk> blinx: right
[15:38:35] <smesjz> blinx: the basic line of my script is the password hashing in this line: return "{SHA256}".base64_encode(hash('sha256',$pass,true)); All other stuff is database magic
[15:38:48] <smesjz> it's no rocket science to make something yourself
[15:39:18] <sysmonk> yes it is! rocket cram-md5 science! :)
[15:39:22] <sysmonk> just joking
[15:39:30] <blinx> sysmonk: you are right!
[15:39:36] <sysmonk> smesjz: but, for some people it really is
[15:40:16] <blinx> now my only question: HOW can I realize the best encryption ?
[15:40:36] <sysmonk> the question is - WHAT is the best encryption?
[15:40:43] <sysmonk> is apple better than orange?
[15:40:53] <sysmonk> or is orange better than apple ?
[15:40:57] <Signum> ROT26 is good
[15:41:02] <sysmonk> Signum: ;))))
[15:41:18] <smesjz> unless you drop the 'clearpasswd' there is no best encryption :)
[15:41:19] <blinx> why we not combine all encryptions ?
[15:41:22] <sysmonk> Signum: plaintext is even better
[15:41:35] <sysmonk> blinx: sure, do it!
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[15:41:52] <blinx> sysmonk: no, this is a number too big for me :)
[15:41:59] <Signum> sysmonk: nah, too insecure ;)
[15:42:00] <sysmonk> blinx: when you'll create that mechanism - email me!
[15:42:19] <sysmonk> Signum: heh, ok ok, rot is better
[15:42:23] <blinx> I'm not able to use one one mechanism... how I should combine all ?!
[15:42:38] <Signum> blinx: start with one. and only go further if you are a secret service
[15:42:41] * sysmonk will code a rot 'encryption' mechanism to use with system passwords
[15:43:29] <sysmonk> blinx: sure, it's possible, but you'd need to modify your imap/pop3 source to support it
[15:43:44] <sysmonk> and your imap/pop3 client ( outlook/thunderbird or anything else ) to support it too
[15:43:57] <sysmonk> like, you enter the password, it is encrypted with md5, and then sent with cram-md5
[15:44:01] <sysmonk> ;)
[15:44:08] <blinx> yes
[15:44:18] <blinx> but first I want only one mechanis
[15:44:18] <blinx> m
[15:44:26] <blinx> can you help me to realize that?
[15:44:37] <sysmonk> blinx: google can
[15:44:42] <sysmonk> my working hours are over
[15:44:42] <sysmonk> ;)
[15:45:03] <sysmonk> sorry but i'm not in the mood right now to help
[15:45:12] <sysmonk> maybe other guys can
[15:45:25] <smesjz> ok, stick with SHA256.
[15:45:29] <smesjz> ;)
[15:45:56] <blinx> smesjz: you maybe?
[15:46:28] <blinx> sysmonk: but thx
[15:46:56] <smesjz> sorry blinx, I am not in the mood either. Look at postfixmyadmin or so
[15:47:27] <blinx> hrmmmm
[15:48:24] <sysmonk> blinx: there are plenty of how-to's on the web, why don't you use one of them ?
[15:49:33] <blinx> http://wiki.sharlaan.net/us:howto:postfix:debian <- this one maybe?
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[15:50:35] <blinx> hi devdas
[15:51:05] <devdas> hey blinx
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[15:57:47] <blinx> hmm
[15:58:13] <blinx> I'm too silly to configure it..
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[15:59:43] <Jax> ih
[15:59:45] <Jax> hi
[15:59:49] <Jax> is there an easy way to get all bounces from the mail log with from and to address?
[16:00:13] <Jax> been grepping around, but somehow i need to group by mail id or something
[16:00:19] <Jax> thought there might be some tools around
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[16:03:42] <blinx> smesjz: sorry to interrupt you but I changed my configs but my evolution says: "Login failed!"
[16:05:16] <smesjz> use authtest to debug it?
[16:05:24] <smesjz> and enable mysql query logging etc
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[16:05:36] <devdas> Jax: Postfix logs the bounce message generation with the queue id of the bounce
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[16:06:50] <Jax> yeah
[16:07:03] <Jax> ok so i get all id's, put them in an array then get all the to and froms ?
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[16:17:39] <js_> what's the best way to do a switch from one mailserver to another without losing a lot of emails during the transition?
[16:19:44] <devdas> turn off the first server
[16:19:47] <devdas> turn on the second
[16:20:04] <devdas> oh, just remember to keep your queues empty
[16:20:12] <devdas> Jax: yes
[16:20:34] <sysmonk> js_: different ip's?
[16:20:52] <sysmonk> err, sorry, going home
[16:23:23] <blinx> it works!!
[16:23:43] <blinx> I uncommented crypted pw and clear pw
[16:24:07] <js_> yeah, different ips and locations
[16:24:28] <js_> wont it matter that mail will be sent to the old server when its down?
[16:28:16] <devdas> leave it off
[16:29:09] <dj-fu> js_: providing that you've got a higher priority backup mailserver
[16:29:18] <dj-fu> you should easily be able to do the switch by setting correct MX records
[16:30:34] <dj-fu> I usually set my primary to MX priority 10, and backup to 20
[16:30:47] <dj-fu> and then tertiary backup (intercontinental) to 30
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[16:31:49] <devdas> he just wants to switch
[16:32:28] <dj-fu> heh, yeah, suppose
[16:32:53] <dj-fu> js_: provided that the second mailserver is exactly the same as the first, you shouldn't even need to worry about MX record backups, just switch the IP and it'll be fine
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[16:55:09] <js_> dj-fu: yeah, were moving our stuff to another location and have bought new machines as well.. so ive cloned the old mailserver to the new one
[16:56:39] <smesjz> hmm..some new antispam control at Google? host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[64.233.163.27] said: 450-4.2.1 The Gmail user you are trying to contact is receiving 450-4.2.1 mail at a rate that prevents additional messages from 450-4.2.1 being delivered. Please resend your message at a later 450-4.2.1 time
[17:10:44] <dj-fu> random
[17:10:47] <dj-fu> flood protection
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[18:09:23] <sirion2> hi
[18:11:43] <sirion2> i can't use virtual_alias_maps, i get a "unknown user", i use the "virtual" transport for virtual_*. All virtual_mailbox_maps work and the query for virtual_alias_mpas are correct (tested with postmap)
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[18:11:53] <sirion2> someone have idea ?
[18:13:01] <vnm> hi, I recently learned how to setup a MTA but I'm not happy of my choice (qmail).  Is there a way I could setup postfix on debian without having a downtime?
[18:13:09] <vnm> on the same box
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[18:18:52] <UQlev> vnm, no way
[18:19:14] <UQlev> 2 smtpd daemons will not coexist
[18:19:48] <devdas> vnm: if your queue is empty, then your downtime can be < 5 minutes
[18:20:11] <devdas> sirion2: what's in your logs?
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[18:21:04] <UQlev> vnm, 1st tell what made you unhappy with qmail? may be you will have the same with postfix
[18:21:16] <sirion2> nothing devdas , juste a "(unknown user: "nicolas at inaevum dot org")"
[18:21:28] <devdas> grrrrrrrr
[18:21:36] <devdas> What's in your logs? exactly?
[18:22:02] <sirion2> it's a paste
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[18:24:04] <sirion2> devdas, http://pastebin.ca/472460
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[18:27:02] <devdas> and postconf -n?
[18:27:19] <devdas> virtual_alias_mpas
[18:27:20] <devdas> mpas?
[18:28:15] <sirion2> http://pastebin.ca/472462
[18:28:17] <sirion2> maps*
[18:29:41] <devdas> Hmmmm
[18:31:22] <devdas> that looks fine
[18:31:51] <devdas> are you running chrooted?
[18:32:06] <devdas> does mysql log the correct query?
[18:32:20] <sirion2> yes
[18:32:57] <devdas> run smtpd in verbose mode?
[18:33:01] <devdas> smtpd -v in master.cf
[18:33:11] <sirion2> http://pastebin.ca/472470
[18:33:17] <sirion2> ok
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[18:35:22] <sirion2> complete log: http://pastebin.ca/472472
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[18:41:26] <sirion2> i don't understand
[18:43:11] <devdas> Aha
[18:43:47] <devdas> you go from nicolas at inaevum dot org to nicolas@$myorigin when the v_a_m query finishes
[18:44:08] <devdas> and myorigin is set to the same value
[18:44:19] <sirion2> hm
[18:44:34] <devdas> so Postfix is then looking for nicolas at inaevum dot org  in virtual_mailbox_maps
[18:47:32] <sirion2> why the query in virtual_alias_maps don't return a result ?
[18:50:29] <devdas> it does
[18:50:34] <devdas> it returns nicolas
[18:50:50] <devdas> Postfix sees a localpart without a domain
[18:50:55] <devdas> so it appends $myorigin
[18:51:10] <devdas> so nicolas -> nicolas at inaevum dot org
[18:52:59] <sirion2> I believe that I understood
[18:53:35] <devdas> then that is looked up in virtual_mailbox_maps
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[19:00:32] <sirion2> devdas, thanks, it's ok now.
[19:00:44] <devdas> cool
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[20:14:34] <Fr0zen_> whats quicker lmtp or smtp for things like amavisd-new?
[20:15:07] <devdas> neither matters
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[21:36:35] <chiwawa_42> higuita: did you start testing archiveopteryx?
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[23:20:27] <KillerX> Hi
[23:20:33] <KillerX> I'm having some trouble
[23:20:42] <KillerX> I have setup postfix on two different servers
[23:20:52] <KillerX> one handles mail for somdomain.org
[23:21:00] <KillerX> and another for subdomain.sumdomain.org
[23:21:45] <KillerX> but when I try to send mail from the machine that handles subdomain.sumdomain.org to somethign at sumdomain dot org, postfix says 'mail for somdomain.org loops back to self'
[23:22:12] <KillerX> whereas I have clearly specified subdomain.somdomain.org in the virtual_domains parameter
[23:22:17] <sep> KillerX, fix your dns
[23:22:36] <KillerX> help is appreciated, thanks
[23:22:46] <KillerX> sep: Hmm I am able to recive mail fine
[23:22:57] <KillerX> MX record for subdomain and top-level are set correctly
[23:23:00] <KillerX> two MX records
[23:23:19] <KillerX> The problem only happens when I try to send mail from the subdomain machine to the top-level domain machine
[23:23:39] <sep> KillerX, obviously  subdomain.sumdomain.org have dns /hostfile or other information that say mail should be delivered to itself for sumdomain.org
[23:23:52] <sep> adn that's wrong since you have a separate server for that
[23:23:59] <KillerX> Yes, but I am unable to locate that :(
[23:24:21] <sep> check hostfile. and dns config
[23:24:28] <sep> and any other resolvers you might have
[23:24:39] <sep> and beware of cached dns data
[23:24:42] <KillerX> 'dig somdomain.org' from the subdomain machine return correct records
[23:24:57] <KillerX> Oh
[23:25:02] <KillerX> Ok, I'll try that
[23:25:03] <KillerX> Thanks
[23:25:44] <sep> keep in mind that if MX is missing it fallback to A records
[23:27:18] <KillerX> Oh you are right
[23:27:32] <KillerX> dig MX somdomain.org leads back to itself
[23:27:39] <KillerX> but only on the subdomain machine
[23:27:44] <KillerX> when I do that elsewhere it is correct
[23:27:50] <KillerX> does postfix modify DNS information?
[23:27:59] <sep> nopoe
[23:28:26] <sep> but if you run it in a chroot it might take a restart to pick up changes in hosts and resolv.conf files
[23:28:31] <KillerX> Then In wonder why
[23:28:44] <sep> KillerX, check what nameservers the subdomain machine uses
[23:28:56] <sep> check any dns cachers
[23:28:59] <sep> eg like nscd
[23:29:02] <xpoint> KillerX, dig localhost
[23:29:28] <KillerX> Hmm 127.0.0.1 is in resolv.conf
[23:29:29] <xpoint> output will tell if you are using another dns server or you own
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[23:29:53] <dcmwai> ello all
[23:29:58] <dcmwai> hello..
[23:29:58] <KillerX> xpoint: It return 127.0.0.1, which means own
[23:30:00] <xpoint> KillerX, is you having a dns server running ?
[23:30:14] <KillerX> yes but this is a Xen environment
[23:30:19] <KillerX> (shared hosting)
[23:30:22] <KillerX> so I can't restart :(
[23:30:30] <xpoint> ah
[23:30:42] <xpoint> basicly you more then one host still
[23:31:01] <KillerX> yeah
[23:31:06] <sep> KillerX, so the subdomain host have it's own dns server ?
[23:31:15] <dcmwai> anyone can give me some hints on how to change the home_mailbox path? from /home/username/Maildir to /home/vmail/username/Maildir
[23:31:16] <KillerX> Ah I found it!
[23:31:18] <sep> KillerX,  then flush that dns servers cache
[23:31:19] <KillerX> bind is running
[23:31:22] <sep> or fix it's entries
[23:31:24] <KillerX> and it has old data
[23:31:26] <dcmwai> without changing the /home
[23:31:37] <xpoint> sep, xen have nothing to do with subdomains or not
[23:31:42] <KillerX> sep, xpoint: Yep DNS is the problem. Thank you very much!
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[23:31:49] <KillerX> :)
[23:32:18] <sep> xpoint, i know what xen is. i refer to it as a host even if it's virtual :)
[23:32:41] <dcmwai> anyone?
[23:33:04] <xpoint> dcmwai, not more then its in the faq
[23:33:39] <dcmwai> xpoint: but it didn't point out how to change it other then changing the user default /homepath
[23:33:40] <xpoint> postconf -n | grep username
[23:33:53] <dcmwai> har?
[23:34:08] <xpoint> or better postconf -n | grep home
[23:34:23] <sep> dcmwai, you want to go from unix users to virtual users ?
[23:34:52] <dcmwai> sep: not really... Just want to move the Maildir out from the user home dir for a better control
[23:35:25] <xpoint> dcmwai, yes i know, not much help to you, but you must explain more of what you want olso
[23:36:03] <sep> dcmwai, oh got thrown off by the /home/vmail path. commonly used in virtual serups
[23:36:08] <sep> setups...
[23:36:16] <xpoint> dcmwai, dont want the user to control there mails ? :-)
[23:36:37] <dcmwai> xpoint: ok the user home path == /home/username
[23:36:37] <dcmwai> normally the Maildir will be under it which is /home/username/Maildir
[23:37:31] <xpoint> yes its defaults for unix local delivery
[23:37:31] <dcmwai> xpoint: ya... I'm worry about the user who just delete the whole Maildir.
[23:37:32] <xpoint> dcmwai, not your fault
[23:37:52] <dcmwai> xpoint: ya, but still the user will nag on it ...
[23:38:03] <xpoint> well make it into a virtual user setup is the route then
[23:38:32] <dcmwai> virtual user setup.. ok let me check... Thank xpoint sep
[23:38:40] <xpoint> dcmwai, ask user if he want to paid for it ?, he will no more nag on anything :-)
[23:40:03] <xpoint> dcmwai, but virtual user have less control in spam scanning pr user then virtual user setups have
[23:40:22] <dcmwai> xpoint: I've Mailscanner on that control :)
[23:41:00] <xpoint> shit then local user have, since spam scanning can be done in local user with procmail, this is not so easely with virtual users
[23:41:23] <sep> dcmwai, virtual user is significaly different from unixusers. moslty used when users fetch mail with imap or pop3.
[23:41:41] <sep> and you dont want unix accounts for your users :)
[23:41:44] <dcmwai> sep: xpoint seem to be virtual user will require alot more setup..
[23:41:54] <sep> dcmwai, yes it's a whole migration.
[23:41:59] <dcmwai> and it is only for mailbox..
[23:42:12] <dcmwai> what about maildir are the setup same?
[23:42:16] <xpoint> dcmwai, yes this is olso more work in it then just unix local accounts
[23:42:36] <dcmwai> ...
[23:42:48] <dcmwai> then better move the Maildir back..
[23:42:51] <dcmwai> ouch...
[23:43:14] <sep> dcmwai, i'd do that. and put a pricetag on "restoring your mailbox after you messed it up"
[23:43:18] <dcmwai> I found that putting all that in in the user home including the windows profiles is killing...
[23:43:24] <xpoint> maildir/mailbox is only one diff, the mailbox is one file pr user, but maildir is one file pr mail / pr user
[23:44:03] <dcmwai> i would use maildir as I'm using imap..
[23:44:14] <xpoint> yes
[23:44:24] <dcmwai> I've try using imap with mailbox... and guess what happen when you mail box is 500MB..
[23:44:25] <dcmwai> haha
[23:44:46] <xpoint> dcmwai, i would setup dovecut if i was you then
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[23:45:31] <xpoint> dcmwai, mailbox is not that slow
[23:45:51] <xpoint> since the server index it
[23:46:13] <chiwawa_42> i'm looking for a filesystem benchmark for mailservers
[23:46:37] <dcmwai> xpoint: have been using that since 0.9x
[23:46:48] <chiwawa_42> mostly concerning postfix and postresql as i'd use archiveopteryx for mail sotorage
[23:46:51] <dcmwai> last time was using currier mail.. which is SLOW
[23:46:55] <xpoint> 0.9x of what ?
[23:48:22] <chiwawa_42> why storin mails in the filesystem when it can be stored in a database?
[23:48:52] <Fr0zen_> anyone here huse postfix/amavisd/clamav/spamasssasin?
[23:48:53] <xpoint> chiwawa_42, tryed dbmail ?
[23:49:06] <chiwawa_42> xpoint: no, i use archivopteryx
[23:49:09] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, nope :-)
[23:49:12] <Fr0zen_> if so, what happens to viruses that are found?
[23:49:32] <chiwawa_42> similar to dbmail but stores mail in parts form, saving space when it detects attachements redundancy
[23:50:00] <chiwawa_42> it has a really fast builtin IMAP server
[23:50:09] <xpoint> chiwawa_42, is it sqlite type of database ?
[23:50:28] <chiwawa_42> postgresql
[23:50:57] <xpoint> why waste time on database when filesystem is faster and more secure in recowery ?
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[23:51:32] <dcmwai> agree...
[23:51:33] <chiwawa_42> because it makes IMAP searches (and virtual folders) lightning fast
[23:51:44] <Fr0zen_> anyone?
[23:51:55] <dcmwai> no :)
[23:52:04] <xpoint> chiwawa_42, but i agree sql have other options on that problem since sql can be clustered
[23:52:08] * Fr0zen_ slaps dcmwai
[23:52:21] <chiwawa_42> xpoint: it's also easy to backup and recover
[23:52:31] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, what do you want to happen with virus ?
[23:52:32] <rcsu> Fr0zen_: im ausing it
[23:52:37] <Fr0zen_> ah
[23:52:41] <chiwawa_42> not as easy as files, but i've done some python scripts to handle fast export / restore operations
[23:53:00] <rcsu> Fr0zen_: they are stored in a quarantine folder
[23:53:01] <Fr0zen_> rcsu, what happens when a virus is found? is the maill still delivered wih the ***SPAM*** subject?
[23:53:08] <Fr0zen_> ah ok, is the mail delivered without it?
[23:53:18] <rcsu> Fr0zen_: nope
[23:53:24] <Fr0zen_> gotcha
[23:53:25] <Fr0zen_> makes sense
[23:53:34] <rcsu> Fr0zen_: the message is taken out of the stream
[23:53:52] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, virus is in amavisd virus, not just passed to recipient, but it depends on how you configure amavisd.conf
[23:53:56] <Fr0zen_> gotcha, does clamav eventually clean out that quarntie folder?
[23:54:23] <rcsu> qurantined is that what is sais
[23:54:24] <Fr0zen_> i run postfix > amavisd (clamav + spamassasin) > postfix > delivery
[23:55:02] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, nope clamav does not clean anything, it just does detect virus that is all, the rest is upto amavisd
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[23:56:01] <Fr0zen_> ah ok
[23:56:07] <Fr0zen_> i will look thru amavisd's config file
[23:56:15] <Fr0zen_> see if it deletes the viruses
[23:56:44] <rcsu> i wouldnt do that
[23:57:13] <rcsu> most of the content of virus mails are nonsense anyway
[23:57:25] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, join amavisd maillist and search more in mail-archives from this maillist, most of the problems is basicly a faq questions you give us heree
[23:57:53] * rcsu aggrees xpoiunt
[23:58:11] <rcsu> ups, xpoint
[23:58:41] <xpoint> heree :)
[23:58:55] <Fr0zen_> the amavisd maillist has been useless to me, i just installed amavisd-new just thought someone would have some info thats all.
[23:59:28] <xpoint> Fr0zen_, how does the default amavisd.conf give you problems ?
[23:59:37] <Fr0zen_> it doesnt give me any problems
[23:59:43] <xpoint> good :)
[23:59:47] <Fr0zen_> i was asking what happens to viruses after they are found





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