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[01:08:34] <Edgeman> rob0: thanks, I will look into this
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[01:26:22] <solemnwarning> Hi all
[01:26:39] <solemnwarning> Some mail to my server just seems to "disappear"
[01:26:48] <solemnwarning> Nothing shows in my logs or anything, it just never gets here
[01:26:56] <solemnwarning> Most mail does so I can't think what it could be
[01:27:20] <solemnwarning> Anything I can do?
[01:29:28] <solemnwarning> It appears to be some servers that don't send mail to here
[01:29:38] <solemnwarning> Is anyone awake?
[01:29:41] <higuita> yes...
[01:29:56] <solemnwarning> What should I do?
[01:30:11] <higuita> if no email nor connection arrive to the log, then the remote server isnt sending the email
[01:30:36] <higuita> check the logs on the other server, they would say where the error is
[01:30:40] <solemnwarning> Since I reinstalled my server a few weeks ago this has happened a bit more
[01:30:58] <solemnwarning> Most automated ebay messages arn't showing up for some reason
[01:31:08] <solemnwarning> But I can't find anything wrong with the config
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[01:33:11] <higuita> you can try to increase the debug level from postfix
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[01:33:33] <higuita> but if not even a connection arrive to your server, the debug will not do anything
[01:33:36] <solemnwarning> Does all the stuff like DNS look ok for the domains anime12.com/solemnwarning.net to you?
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[01:38:49] <higuita> solemnwarning: seens alright...
[01:39:27] <higuita> the only problem might the the aliases from one domain to another
[01:40:04] <solemnwarning> Huh?
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[01:40:13] <solemnwarning> Don't MX records have to point to a domain?
[01:40:24] <Bejgli> they have to point to a hostname
[01:40:28] <Bejgli> fqdn
[01:40:29] <higuita> i use that trick too, but i think the RFC doesnt allow it... at least from what i see, almost all server support it anyway
[01:41:05] <Bejgli> you are gay
[01:41:22] <Bejgli> thats why so many gay mtas out in the world
[01:41:37] <Bejgli> because some admins dont care about rules
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[01:42:32] <solemnwarning> Bejgli: Can MX records actually point to an IP?
[01:42:40] <Bejgli> they can
[01:42:46] <higuita> Bejgli: we use a domain poiting to a cname because we have a domain without fixed IP, you have to point to a dyndns domain to work around that
[01:42:47] <Bejgli> but it's not allowed afaik
[01:43:27] <solemnwarning> Bejgli: So you are saying its against the RFC to point it to a hostname, and against it to point to the IP?
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[01:43:30] <solemnwarning> erm
[01:43:33] <higuita> we are not using MX, we are simply using hostnames, and that hostname is a cname to a dyndns
[01:43:41] <Bejgli> solemnwarning: think again
[01:44:27] <higuita> solemnwarning: a MX must point to a hostname with a A record
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[01:44:33] <solemnwarning> solemnwarning.no-ip.org is an A record to my IP, why would it be a problem?
[01:44:37] <higuita> should use a CNAME
[01:45:29] <higuita> because the anime12.com point via a CNAME to solemnwarning.no-ip.org, where it should use directly a hostname with a A record
[01:46:17] <solemnwarning> When does an MTA use anything except the MX?
[01:46:22] <higuita> but again, i almost never saw a server that refused to deliver emails to a CNAME, but they exist for sure
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[01:46:45] <solemnwarning> All my MX records point to solemnwarning.no-ip.org, which is an A record to my IP
[01:46:50] <higuita> when there is no MX, it uses the hostname to try a direct delivery
[01:46:59] <higuita> what MX?
[01:47:02] <solemnwarning> But.. there is an MX :|
[01:47:08] <solemnwarning> dig solemnwarning.net MX
[01:47:23] <higuita> host -t mx anime12.com
[01:47:25] <higuita> anime12.com is an alias for solemnwarning.no-ip.org.
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[01:47:47] <solemnwarning> Yeah, the root record
[01:47:55] <solemnwarning> But I made an MX record too
[01:47:58] <higuita> that also doesnt give any MX
[01:48:14] <higuita> ;solemnwarning.net.             IN      MX
[01:48:22] <higuita> see, no result
[01:48:25] * solemnwarning logs into DNS admin
[01:49:00] <higuita> it probably didnt allow you to point the MX to a CNAME, that's common
[01:49:15] <solemnwarning> But the MX doesn't point to a CNAME
[01:49:58] 
[01:50:11] <solemnwarning> Hmmm
[01:50:18] <solemnwarning> I have MX records named mx.domain
[01:50:50] <solemnwarning> Should they be named domain, not mx.domain?
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[01:51:23] <feross> solemnwarning: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=solemnwarning.net&type=MX
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[01:52:18] <solemnwarning> Do MX records work if they are named mx.domain?
[01:52:25] <solemnwarning> host -t mx mx.solemnwarning.net
[01:53:57] <solemnwarning> I'm gonna rename the record to @ if the admin lets me
[01:54:54] <solemnwarning> ERROR: Product item command error: Product validation failed;Product contains invalid records; solemnwarning.no-ip.org. @
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[01:55:06] * solemnwarning shoots registerflys webadmin
[01:55:11] <feross> hey guys.. solemnwarning can I help?
[01:55:25] <solemnwarning> feross: ?
[01:55:26] <higuita> solemnwarning: a MX record is a DNS type MX, not a hostname named mx.domain
[01:55:48] <feross> what is the A record to your mail server. I got into the conversation late.
[01:56:01] <solemnwarning> higuita: So it doesn't matter that the MX records are mx.domain?
[01:56:09] <solemnwarning> feross: solemnwarning.no-ip.org
[01:56:27] <higuita> with host -t mx mx.solemnwarning.net you are saying that the MX for emails @mx.solemnwarning.net is the solemnwarning.no-ip.org.
[01:56:39] <solemnwarning> ah
[01:56:48] <higuita> what you want is to say that the MX for emails @solemnwarning.net is the solemnwarning.no-ip.org.
[01:56:59] <higuita> so use @  mx   solemnwarning.no-ip.org.
[01:57:01] <solemnwarning> Would be nice if this stupid admin thing would let me
[01:57:12] <solemnwarning> Any idea what that cryptic error meant?
[01:57:55] <solemnwarning> Can I have an @ CNAME and an @ MX?
[01:58:12] <feross> No
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[01:58:28] * solemnwarning is confused
[01:58:43] <mphill> how can i make email to a particular address be discarded ?
[01:59:07] <hparker> Don't have a user with that name?
[01:59:21] <feross> mphill: remove from relay_recipients file..
[01:59:23] <higuita> solemnwarning: that what i have been telling in the start.... the RFC says NO, but i use it and it mostly works, i know there are servers that dont work with it, but most do work
[01:59:45] <solemnwarning> I'm not sure what I should do
[02:00:10] <solemnwarning> How is it possible to have email and other stuff on one domain if you can't have an MX @ record as well as a normal @ record?
[02:00:11] <higuita> mphill: create a hash recipient_check with  email@domain   DISCARD
[02:00:35] <feross> solemnwarning: remove all CNAME records
[02:00:36] <feross> solemnwarning: add an MX -> solemnwarning.no-ip.org
[02:00:46] <mphill> higuita, thats what I was looking for, thank!
[02:01:09] <solemnwarning> feross: Then how does non-mail stuff work?
[02:02:08] <feross> solemnwarning: you need to get a static IP... CNAME and MX don't mix
[02:02:21] * solemnwarning curses IP
[02:02:48] <solemnwarning> Why does DNS have to be so picky?
[02:02:58] * higuita curses ISP that ask more for a fixed IP than for the internet connection!!
[02:03:03] <solemnwarning> You can have an A and an MX but not a CNAME and an MX?
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[02:03:25] <feross> solemnwarning: yup
[02:03:33] * higuita already setup is network with IPV6 and hopes that it arrives fast
[02:03:36] <solemnwarning> Thats... retarded
[02:03:57] <feross> We don't make the rules :P
[02:03:58] <solemnwarning> Why can't you have CNAME+MX but A+MX?
[02:04:14] <solemnwarning> No, apparently a really bored MS developer does
[02:04:29] <higuita> solemnwarning: the teory is that way mail would eat alot more DNS than already do (already alot)
[02:04:44] * solemnwarning is confused
[02:04:48] <feross> Just a guess but MX and CNAME are similar in that they are sort of 'pointer' records to real A records. Pointer records don't mix for some reason.
[02:04:58] <higuita> so they forced the most direct channel to the final destination: the A record
[02:05:02] <solemnwarning> But they have differant purposes
[02:05:21] * solemnwarning wonders if a DNSv2 will ever be real
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[02:06:19] <higuita> that is why it mostly work, because they are really different, but as the RFC says it shouldnt work, some server follow it and fail
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[02:07:10] * solemnwarning wonders if NTL cable offer static IPs
[02:07:23] <feross> solemnwarning: is there a way to add an MX in the no-ip.org thing?
[02:08:00] <solemnwarning> Maybe
[02:08:03] <solemnwarning> Hold on
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[02:09:03] <higuita> solemnwarning: yes
[02:09:23] <feross> if you can add an MX record in no-ip.org then add two CNAME records to your solemnwarning.net domain. One with a www and onother with nothing in it.
[02:09:29] <higuita> wait... no-ip i dont know, for dyndns.org i know that its supported
[02:09:58] <solemnwarning> Looks like I can
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[02:11:13] <solemnwarning> It worked, I think
[02:11:24] <solemnwarning> host -t mx solemnwarning.no-ip.org
[02:12:08] <higuita> ok, that domain is alright
[02:13:17] <solemnwarning> What should I do with the other domains?
[02:13:26] <solemnwarning> Delete the MX record and just have the CNAMEs?
[02:14:34] <feross> I had to test it at http://www.kloth.net/services/dig.php but looks like that worked..
[02:14:45] <feross> dnsstuff had your old wrong stuff cached
[02:15:06] <solemnwarning> yay
[02:15:11] <feross> if you're going to use dynamic addresses yes.
[02:15:18] <solemnwarning> Thanks higuita, feross
[02:15:23] <feross> ok
[02:15:31] <feross> I gotta go.. bbl
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[02:22:11] <solemnwarning> higuita: test-reply ^^
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[02:40:07] <fignewton> I've got a mail "hub" system which accepts email for a bunch of web servers, potentially rewrites a few headers, and then attempts to forward the message on. I'd really like postfix to follow normal retry rules and such, but if it eventually gives up, I want the message bounced/redirected to a hard-coded address rather than to the envelope-from.
[02:40:12] <fignewton> any hints?
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[02:41:51] <solemnwarning> fignewton: I woldan't
[02:42:12] <solemnwarning> Any spam that gets bounced back could end up in the account
[02:42:18] <solemnwarning> Unless you have no filters?
[02:42:33] <fignewton> this is an internal mail hub. It only handled internal mail from the web servers
[02:44:44] <solemnwarning> oh
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[03:46:53] <ek> Anyone here running Amavisd-New on a remote machine for scans?
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[05:15:39] <Zelest> If I run a mailserver, is it a "must" to have a A record for my domain? or is a MX record enough, or will that make me break some RFC of some sort?
[05:17:09] * Zelest pokes f3ew in the ribs
[05:22:18] <rob0> MX or A will do the trick; look at postfix.org : no A record there.
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[05:23:06] <Zelest> bummer :/
[05:23:37] <Zelest> I'm writing a sign-up webpage and my thought was to reject every e-mail addresses where the domain part of the e-mail didn't resolve to anything.. :P
[05:23:50] <Zelest> oh well, thanks. :-)
[05:25:09] <rob0> Just a little more code will do it. :)
[05:29:25] <dj-fu> domain part of email addresses doesn't have to resolve
[05:29:32] <dj-fu> for mail to flow
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[05:29:35] <dj-fu> although it's recommended ;[
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[09:03:26] <dahunter3> Hey guys, any easy way to strip off the domain name for delivery to cyrus in which I'm only storing usernames?
[09:08:05] <dj-fu> use regex
[09:09:23] <dahunter3> dj-fu: in main.cf someplace?
[09:22:01] <dahunter3> dj-fu: throw me a bone, the server is down :)
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[14:36:59] <ribasushi> hi
[14:39:06] <ribasushi> I want to use postfix with dspam, but I also need virus protection which dspam does not provide
[14:39:38] <ribasushi> am I correct in assuming I need to specify two content fiters, one for dspam, one for amavis and have mail jump from one to the other?
[14:39:55] <ribasushi> or is there a more streamlined solution? (I can't find any examples specifically amavis+dspam)
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[16:43:41] <dazjorz> Hi
[16:43:46] <dazjorz> How do I get the Postfix version?
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[16:44:02] <dman> for some reason my root account isnt getting email sent to it
[16:44:07] <dman> i look in the logs, and i get this message when i try
[16:44:09] <dman> Apr 22 00:10:09 berkeley postfix/local[19551]: CF53254011: to=<root at mateos dot ath.cx>, relay=local, delay=0.44, delays=0.1/0.02/0/0.32, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail -f- -a "$USER")
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[16:53:24] <dazjorz> hmm
[16:53:33] <dazjorz> damn, SMTP authentication still doesn't work because SASL doesn't
[16:53:49] <dazjorz> Apr 21 16:53:05 server postfix/smtpd[1014]: warning: SASL authentication failure: no secret in database
[16:54:10] <dazjorz> Apr 21 16:53:05 server postfix/smtpd[1014]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
[16:55:40] <dazjorz> oh, found a fix, let's see if it works
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[17:03:14] <dazjorz> uhm
[17:03:23] <dazjorz> Now I'm getting these errors:
[17:03:34] <dazjorz> Apr 21 16:58:23 server postfix/smtpd[1313]: warning: SASL authentication failure: no secret in database  (..and..) Apr 21 16:58:23 server postfix/smtpd[1313]: warning: server.dazjorz.com[212.123.140.190]: SASL CRAM-MD5 authentication failed: authentication failure
[17:03:40] <dazjorz> any ideas?
[17:05:38] <Fullmetal-Mavez> yes lets go stab the authors of sasl
[17:05:41] <Fullmetal-Mavez> to the DEATH!
[17:06:08] <dazjorz> *stab*
[17:06:12] <dazjorz> well, it still doesn't work then
[17:06:22] <dazjorz> so I better keep 'em alive until they've given me a solution
[17:06:25] <Fullmetal-Mavez> so it makes me feel better!
[17:06:27] <dazjorz> "no secret in database" sounds so odd
[17:07:45] <dazjorz> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2003-July/000517.html
[17:08:10] <dazjorz> Bah
[17:08:13] <dazjorz> I already have that set to null.
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[17:21:55] <dazjorz> This message keeps reappearing
[17:21:55] <dazjorz> http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=81
[17:22:09] <dazjorz> (or plaintext: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=81 )
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[18:16:03] <dazjorz> Any ideas... anyone?
[18:17:25] <devdas> postconf mail_version
[18:17:35] <devdas> dazjorz: should it be referencing the sasl db?
[18:18:00] <dazjorz> devdas: what do you mean with referencing?
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[18:18:26] <devdas> dazjorz: are you supposed to be authenticating fropm sasldb, or /etc/passwd, or something else?
[18:18:51] <dazjorz> devdas: from MySQL, if that's what you mean
[18:19:08] <dazjorz> I have a users table shared between Postfix and Courier
[18:19:15] <dazjorz> Courier reads it perfectly, however, Postfix doesn't seem to do so
[18:20:17] <devdas> so you should be using saslauthd
[18:20:29] <dazjorz> okay
[18:20:32] <devdas> Which means that your smtpd.conf is not being read
[18:20:38] <devdas> Where have you created it?
[18:20:39] <dazjorz> I see
[18:20:46] <dazjorz> /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
[18:22:31] <dazjorz> want me to nopaste it?
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[18:23:00] <devdas> which distro is this?
[18:23:07] <dazjorz> Debian Etch
[18:23:08] <devdas> sure
[18:23:18] <devdas> Hmmmm
[18:23:28] <devdas> does that use sasl/ or sasl2/
[18:23:29] <devdas> ?
[18:23:46] <dazjorz> Well, there's a package installed named sasl2-bin
[18:24:11] <dazjorz> main.cf:smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2
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[18:29:03] <dazjorz> devdas: so yeah, it's using /etc/postfix/sasl
[18:29:40] <devdas> hmmm
[18:29:53] <devdas> paste the smtpd.conf please
[18:30:01] <dazjorz> okzy
[18:30:02] <dazjorz> okay*
[18:30:54] <dazjorz> devdas: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=82
[18:32:05] <devdas> and the auxprop stuff is installed?
[18:32:20] <dazjorz> no idea
[18:32:22] <dazjorz> how do I check..?
[18:32:30] <devdas> can you strace -e open the master process and it's children?
[18:32:47] <devdas> It's a cyrus-sasl2-libs package or something, IIRC
[18:32:52] * devdas isn't a Debian user
[18:33:10] <dazjorz> Okay, I'll check
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[18:33:42] <dazjorz> devdas: how do I open the master process..? just killing postfix and then restarting it with strace -e ?
[18:34:27] <devdas> strace -p "pid of master" -ff -o postfix.trace.log -e open
[18:36:16] * dazjorz wonders what the pid of master is, the only process that matches to postfix is postfix-policyd
[18:37:07] <devdas> ps -A f
[18:37:22] <devdas> there should be a process named master running as user postfix
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[18:40:01] <dazjorz> devdas: I see three processes running as user postfix
[18:40:03] * dazjorz pasts
[18:40:29] <dazjorz> http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=83
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[18:43:54] <dazjorz> devdas: but I don't see a process named master
[18:44:03] <dazjorz> eh
[18:44:07] <dazjorz> I do, actually, but it's running as root
[18:44:12] <dazjorz> root      2050     1  0 18:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/postfix/master
[18:44:20] <dazjorz> virtual  19360     1  0 Apr17 ?        00:00:00 amavisd (master)
[18:45:09] <devdas> ah
[18:49:31] <dazjorz> oh, forgot, I have to strace it :)
[18:49:58] <dazjorz> process 2050 attached - interrupt to quit
[18:49:59] <dazjorz> now what?
[18:50:10] <devdas> telnet to port 25
[18:50:14] <devdas> type quit
[18:50:26] <dazjorz> nothin
[18:50:29] <devdas> and see the particular file with the smtpd.conf mention
[18:50:36] <dazjorz> nothing
[18:50:46] <devdas> grep smtpd postfix.trace.log.*
[18:50:52] <devdas> uh?
[18:51:00] <dazjorz> but I tried to authenticate using Evolution, and it says "Process 2154 attached" and same with 2157
[18:51:02] <devdas> grep sasl, rather
[18:51:05] <dazjorz> okay, I'll try
[18:51:13] <devdas> you don't even want to go there yet
[18:51:23] <dazjorz> Okay
[18:51:33] <dazjorz> I'll pastebin the output of grep sasl postfix.trace.log.*
[18:51:54] <dazjorz> /etc/postfix/sasl is read, but /smtpd.conf isn't, if I see correctly
[18:52:31] <dazjorz> http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=84
[18:52:32] <dazjorz> there you go
[18:53:46] <devdas> is that the only process?
[18:53:54] <dazjorz> hm?
[18:54:28] <devdas> try again without the -e open and see
[18:54:38] <devdas> It should be reading the smtpd.conf
[18:54:58] <devdas> you installed the postfix-tls package, right?
[18:55:00] <dazjorz> I removed -e open, strace, telnetted and quit
[18:55:12] <devdas> and now the logs say what?
[18:55:38] <dazjorz> Package: postfix-tls
[18:55:38] <dazjorz> State: not a real package
[18:55:41] <dazjorz> it doesn't exist
[18:56:03] <devdas> hmmmm
[18:56:16] <dazjorz> devdas: smtpd.conf isn't read at all
[18:56:34] <devdas> strange
[18:56:40] <dazjorz> grep smtpd.conf postfix.trace.* # no output
[18:56:59] <dazjorz> postfix.trace.log.2176:open("/etc/postfix/sasl", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 9
[18:59:40] <dazjorz> hmm
[18:59:41] <dazjorz> this is odd
[18:59:46] <dazjorz> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-04-17 20:06 sasl
[18:59:54] <dazjorz> is it even readable :/
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[19:03:10] <devdas> I don't think so
[19:03:10] <devdas> 644
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[19:05:06] <dazjorz> but there's a password in it, I don't want it to be _world_ readable
[19:05:16] <devdas> try it with 644
[19:05:48] <devdas> do you have other user accounts on the box?
[19:06:03] <devdas> actually, if it wasn't readable, it should fail
[19:06:10] <devdas> to open
[19:06:25] <dazjorz> Yeah, I have a lot of other user accounts
[19:06:25] <devdas> but we aren't even seeing any attempts at that
[19:06:25] <dazjorz> indeed
[19:11:46] <dazjorz> devdas: so... any ideas..? can I put the file in another location?
[19:12:13] <devdas> the first thing to do is figure out which smtpd.conf it is looking for
[19:12:31] <devdas> this is probably Debian specific, so have you asked on postfix-users yet?
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[19:13:20] <dazjorz> postfix-users?
[19:13:23] <dazjorz> the mailing list..?
[19:13:28] <devdas> yes
[19:13:49] <dazjorz> No, actually, I haven't even thought of the mailing lists
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[19:30:54] <stony> hi
[19:32:28] <dazjorz> hi
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[19:33:12] <Kalavera> hi guys
[19:33:38] <Kalavera> i have problems sending e-mail to hotmail accounts and sometimes to yahoo
[19:33:54] <Kalavera> somebody has any knowledge about these issues?
[19:34:28] <dazjorz> Kalavera: what does it answer?
[19:34:35] <dazjorz> 500 and then text about policy problems etcetera?
[19:35:00] <dazjorz> devdas: is there any way to get SMTP authentication etcetera without sasl?
[19:35:09] <devdas> not really
[19:35:22] <devdas> though Postfix does support authentication via client certificates
[19:36:58] * dazjorz wishes he knew why sasl doesn't work
[19:37:17] <Kalavera> dazjorz, when i send mail to hotmail
[19:37:27] <dazjorz> devdas: is there anything else I could try?
[19:37:32] <Kalavera> the postfix log has a 250 code
[19:37:45] <dazjorz> 250 is OK, sent
[19:37:48] <devdas> dazjorz: no clue
[19:37:50] <devdas> sorry
[19:37:51] <Kalavera> but the mail not arrive to the hotmail account
[19:37:51] <dazjorz> Kalavera: it's probably in junk
[19:37:57] <Kalavera> no junk
[19:38:00] <Kalavera> no inbox
[19:38:01] <dazjorz> devdas: oh well >:(
[19:38:02] <Kalavera> no nothing
[19:38:11] <dazjorz> Kalavera: did you verify that yourself?
[19:38:12] <Kalavera> no error mail too
[19:38:15] <devdas> http://bash.org/?742824
[19:38:22] <devdas> Kalavera: postmaster at hotmail dot com
[19:39:27] <Kalavera> i know the mail is in the hotmail server , but i read in a forum some postfix configuration can help in a major number of success
[19:39:49] <Kalavera> if i remember well something with cache
[19:41:41] <Kalavera> http://forum.powweb.com/archive/index.php/t-51338.html
[19:47:57] <sysmonk> Kalavera: hotmail has stupid spam filters
[19:48:41] <dazjorz> it rejects mail from my mailserver
[19:48:42] <sysmonk> as they say, they have 2 lines of defens against spam - the first one they use is some commercial software wich just drops the mails, and the second one - uses the user defined action (junk mail, delete mail and etc )
[19:48:48] <dazjorz> bah
[19:48:51] <dazjorz> why does smtp still not work!?!
[19:48:58] <sysmonk> hotmail is a big crap.
[19:49:11] <dazjorz> not that it will automagically work suddenly
[19:49:16] <dazjorz> sasl keeps failing
[19:49:54] <sysmonk> Kalavera: i've never managed to fight them. they keep dropink the mails or sending them to junk foldes. I tried everything - i use spf, domain keys, dkim, my IP was never mentioned in any black list
[19:50:05] <sysmonk> droping*
[19:50:12] <sysmonk> folders*
[19:50:22] <sysmonk> damn, a lot of misstypes :)
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[20:08:46] <Kalavera> sysmonk, and nothing?
[20:09:05] <Kalavera> no results?
[20:09:18] <Kalavera> in my case i don't receive the mail
[20:09:31] <Kalavera> but in my logs i see 250
[20:09:32] <Kalavera> :S
[20:09:39] <Kalavera> is some frustrated
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[20:17:55] <sysmonk> Kalavera: yes, they say that they accept the mail (250), but the email doesn't show up
[20:18:16] <sysmonk> and it does go to alll other mail services :/
[20:18:20] <sysmonk> except hotmail
[20:33:08] * dazjorz mumbles
[20:33:11] * dazjorz want his mailserver to work
[20:33:21] <dazjorz> maybe I'll need to get another mailserver but postfix that works with sql
[20:33:25] <dazjorz> because sasl just won't work
[20:40:04] <sysmonk> dazjorz: sasl is only a interface between postfix and any authentication method
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[20:40:44] <sysmonk> you don't need postfix to support SQL if you need to authenticate users via a sql table
[20:41:17] <dazjorz> sysmonk: SASL?
[20:41:20] <dazjorz> sysmonk: to support sasl
[20:41:40] <dazjorz> sysmonk: well, is there any other way to support CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 using a Mysql table ?
[20:41:48] <dazjorz> I don't want login or plain authentication :/
[20:42:06] <dazjorz> a bit of protection and safety would be a good idea
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[20:42:16] <sysmonk> dazjorz: to use CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 you need to store passwords in plain text
[20:42:43] <dazjorz> sysmonk: no problem
[20:42:58] <dazjorz> they are plain text ATM
[20:44:48] <dazjorz> sysmonk: could you give me a link to a howto or a keyword I could use or so?
[20:44:48] <sysmonk> i'd check first if atleast plain/login works
[20:45:04] <sysmonk> dazjorz: no howto, sorry
[20:45:17] <dazjorz> ok, let me try then :)
[20:45:36] <dazjorz> plain doesn't work
[20:46:06] <dazjorz> neither does login
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[20:46:30] <sysmonk> dazjorz: are you authenticating against a MySQL table ?
[20:46:33] <sysmonk> or postgresql ?
[20:47:00] <dazjorz> sysmonk: MySQL
[20:47:25] <sysmonk> dazjorz: enable mysql logging and see what queries does postfix(sasl) do, if it does at all
[20:47:49] <dazjorz> er, ok, I'll try
[20:48:32] * dazjorz wonders how to turn on mysql logging
[20:48:51] <dazjorz> ah, my.cnf
[20:50:05] * dazjorz hopes it'll log now
[20:53:59] <bobbens> Hello, I'm having trouble getting postfix up and running as a relay to gmail, I get the following errors http://rafb.net/p/8erviR20.html , and am wondering where I should look for the problem, I've been rechecking configurations and they "look" fine
[20:53:59] <dazjorz> ah
[20:54:04] <dazjorz> I see postfix did a query
[20:54:12] <dazjorz> connection 6
[20:54:18] <dazjorz> 070421 20:53:12       6 Connect     mail_admin@localhost on
[20:54:24] <dazjorz>                       6 Init DB     fpanel
[20:54:34] <dazjorz>                       6 Query       SELECT id, "", clear, uid, gid, home, concat(home,'/',maildir), "", name, "" FROM mailusers WHERE id = "dazjorz at dazjorz dot com" AND (enabled=1)
[20:54:39] <dazjorz> that's for POP I think
[20:54:46] <dazjorz> but SMTP doesn't do any MySQL queries
[20:55:19] <dazjorz> if I retry again, the same query appears
[20:56:18] <dazjorz> so, in other words, it doesn't ever try any MySQL query
[20:56:37] <sysmonk> so, it means your sasl is not configured
[20:56:43] <dazjorz> I'm afraid so
[20:56:47] <dazjorz> did you see the error messages?
[20:57:44] <sysmonk> nope
[20:59:22] <dazjorz> http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=81
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[21:03:55] <Blackvel> hi all. can I define a /dev/null alias for root?
[21:05:43] <sysmonk> Blackvel: sure, but you'll don't get any emails for root then :)
[21:06:26] <sysmonk> dazjorz: urgh, can't say anything without see'ing your smtpd.conf and etc
[21:06:33] <sysmonk> dazjorz: btw, what os are you running?
[21:06:51] <Blackvel> sysmonk: before the /etc/aliases was configured to root: no
[21:07:15] <Blackvel> but today I see a lot of bounced messages as user no@myserver can not receive emails
[21:07:33] <Blackvel> its some weird cron script which keeps sending emails all 5 minutes to root
[21:07:38] <Blackvel> i just want to throw them away
[21:07:45] <dazjorz> sysmonk: I'm running Debian Etch, http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=82 <-- smtpd.conf
[21:07:48] <Blackvel> is there some /dev/null alias? :)
[21:07:57] <dazjorz> symonk: but smtpd.conf isn't even read, however, the directory it is in, is read
[21:08:08] <Blackvel> i really don't want to use that "root: no" alias entry
[21:08:50] <sysmonk> Blackvel: edit the crontab wich sens the mail
[21:08:59] <Blackvel> its some script
[21:09:04] <Blackvel> cant do anything about it right now
[21:09:05] <Blackvel> :)
[21:09:17] <sysmonk> Blackvel: it's crontab wich sends it, not the script, right?
[21:09:46] <Blackvel> looks like crontab just executes the .pl script
[21:10:11] <sysmonk> Blackvel: yes, and get's the output, wich is sent to the owner of the crontab - mainly root
[21:10:58] <Blackvel> oh
[21:11:01] <Blackvel> that can be yes
[21:11:19] <Blackvel> i promise I will do some linux course + zertification next months
[21:11:21] <Blackvel> haha
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[21:11:29] <Blackvel> i still do know too little hehe
[21:11:36] <Blackvel> > /dev/null then?
[21:11:41] <sysmonk> dazjorz: where is the smtpd.conf in ?
[21:11:56] <sysmonk> Blackvel: root: /dev/null
[21:12:06] <Blackvel> no i mean in crontab script
[21:12:08] <dazjorz> sysmonk: /etc/postfix/sasl
[21:12:31] <sysmonk> dazjorz: the shittiest part is that the path differs on every OS/distribution :(
[21:12:38] <Blackvel> .*/1 * * * *   /root/.../myscript.pl > /dev/null
[21:12:46] <Blackvel> wouldn't that do it's job?
[21:12:47] <sysmonk> dazjorz: it can be /etc/postfix/sasl2 too
[21:12:54] <sysmonk> Blackvel: ah, that one
[21:13:13] <sysmonk> Blackvel: not always, if the output is to STDOUT - it does, but if it has output to STDERR - it doesn't
[21:13:20] <dazjorz> sysmonk: no, it's added to main.cf
[21:13:33] <Blackvel> but if "root: /dev/null" works in aliases too, this will be fine with me
[21:13:34] <dazjorz> sysmonk: smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2
[21:13:40] <Blackvel> sysmonk: right
[21:13:43] <Blackvel> hm
[21:14:05] <dazjorz> sysmonk: maybe I can try moving it to /usr/lib/sasl2, it does read files in that dir
[21:14:14] <sysmonk> dazjorz: try
[21:14:37] <Blackvel> why did securitysage.com close its doors? are there any good rhsbl servers besides rhsbl.sorbs.net?
[21:16:00] <dazjorz> sysmonk: Apr 21 21:15:37 server postfix/smtpd[4121]: warning: server.dazjorz.com[212.123.140.190]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[21:17:56] <sysmonk> a new error ?
[21:17:58] <sysmonk> or the same?
[21:18:15] <dazjorz> well, I didn't try LOGIN yet
[21:18:20] <dazjorz> but it still says authentication failure
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[21:18:44] <dazjorz> so I think it still doesn't actually check mysql.
[21:22:19] <sysmonk> dazjorz: and mysql log says what?
[21:22:52] <dazjorz> sysmonk: no queries except for the already existing POP ones
[21:24:06] <sysmonk> it seems that it doesn't read the smtpd.conf
[21:26:22] <sysmonk> dazjorz: if ya want i can try to look at your problem from the inside ( will need access to the server )
[21:27:53] <dazjorz> One minute, I'm currently trying something else
[21:27:54] <Blackvel> have a good evening
[21:27:58] <Blackvel> cu
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[21:30:06] <dazjorz> that didn't work either -_-
[21:30:35] <dazjorz> sysmonk: well, actually, I gotta go at the moment, I can give you a regular user account but I'd like to do any action as root myself
[21:30:49] <foo> This server hosts about 5 domains... it only sends mail via the web scripts, it does not receive. How does postfix distinguish which @domain to send mail from if 5 different domains are on the system?
[21:31:00] <foo> Of course, if configured properly
[21:31:36] <sysmonk> dazjorz: err, regular account won't help me i think
[21:31:45] <sysmonk> i'd need access to the logs, and the ability to restart postfix
[21:31:48] <dazjorz> sysmonk: Yeah, I thought so
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[21:32:02] <dazjorz> sysmonk: well, at the moment, everything works except sending mail myself using SMTP
[21:32:05] <sysmonk> and access to mysql
[21:32:32] <sysmonk> hm, or maybe the mysql won't be needed
[21:32:35] <sysmonk> dazjorz: as you wish
[21:32:51] <sysmonk> just offering help
[21:32:53] <sysmonk> :)
[21:33:50] <foo> Hm, this has to be doable
[21:34:02] <foo> I suppose the mail function sending out the mail could use a different From: header
[21:34:09] <foo> (via php, or whatever)
[21:34:11] <dazjorz> sysmonk: well, I don't know, I once gave somebody access and I had to reinstall it later.
[21:34:39] <sysmonk> dazjorz: i understand you. but it's up to you
[21:35:25] <dazjorz> can't you give me commands I can try to execute, and I give the output back to you?
[21:35:27] <dazjorz> or actually
[21:35:31] <dazjorz> sysmonk: what about a shared screen session?
[21:35:36] <sysmonk> foo: you can do that with adding a header From: user at domain dot tld
[21:35:51] <sysmonk> dazjorz: can be a screen session
[21:36:00] <sysmonk> dazjorz: doesn't matter to me
[21:36:15] <sysmonk> but giving commands sux, don't like that and never do that
[21:36:29] <sysmonk> unless i know the problem verry well and know the solution already
[21:36:57] <foo> sysmonk: So the best way to do that is to alter the From: via whatever php/perl command is sending out the mail?
[21:39:23] <sysmonk> foo: in php it's like <?php mail("foo at bar dot com","subject","message","From: something at domain dot tld"); ?>
[21:39:53] <foo> sysmonk: Yup, I just didn't know if there was a better way to do it, so that's the only way, thanks
[21:40:17] <dazjorz> sysmonk: okay, let me set up a shared session then
[21:41:19] <sysmonk> foo: no, you can also set a sendmail_from ini setting in php
[21:41:52] <foo> sysmonk: ah, I see
[21:41:56] <sysmonk> like ini_set('sendmail_from', 'something at domain dot tld')
[21:42:07] <foo> aha, I see. and that'll work with postfix too, right? probably
[21:42:14] <sysmonk> or whatever, it's been a long time since i last used php
[21:42:21] <foo> hehe, no worries - thanks
[21:42:22] <sysmonk> foo: yes, it should
[21:42:47] <dazjorz> sysmonk: did you see the query?
[21:42:55] <dazjorz> sysmonk: sorry, should've asked first, but forgot
[21:43:18] <foo> sysmonk: thanks
[21:43:46] <rodrickbrown> guys I'm trying to create a rule to rewrite a domain portion of my email if i do a postmap -q "user at foo dot com" pcre:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical to test it
[21:43:49] <sysmonk> yes i did, but i'm watching a movie with one eye, so not responding asap :)
[21:43:53] <rodrickbrown> it returns the desired results
[21:44:01] <rodrickbrown> but when mail flows through the server
[21:44:04] <rodrickbrown> it dotn not work
[21:44:10] <rodrickbrown> anyone know what I could be missing?
[21:45:18] <rodrickbrown> its like its not reading sender_canonical
[21:45:29] <rodrickbrown> but testing manually with postmap works fine
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[21:52:57] <djs_2_6> Hey all.  Running into an error on some incoming mails.  http://www.ycsi.org/paste.html
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[21:58:10] <djs_2_6> Weird thing is, the error does not seem to be attached to the "xxx greeted me with my own hostname"...
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[22:02:30] <rodrickbrown> anyone using pcre and postfix?
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[22:12:18] <djs_2_6> Well, after checking their domain on dnsreport and pingability, it seems their mail server is very poorly set up.  So, how can I tell my mailserver to be more forgiving, or would that be a bad thing?
[22:12:52] <devdas> hmmmm?
[22:30:29] <devdas> sysmonk: what was the issue?
[22:30:42] <sysmonk> devdas: what ?
[22:31:29] <devdas> with dazjorz's system?
[22:31:39] <sysmonk> ohhh
[22:31:45] <sysmonk> few little mistakes
[22:31:48] <sysmonk> three i think
[22:31:55] <devdas> hmmm?
[22:32:16] <sysmonk> bad postfix configuration, and bad sasl configuration
[22:33:00] <devdas> hehe
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[22:44:50] <danielss89> hmm ive just installed a mailsystem... postfix with mysqlsupport courier imap pop3... i can recieve email, but when im trying to send with php i get this error: status=deferred (mail trnasport unavailable)
[22:44:51] <danielss89> [22:40:38] <obsethryl> of/with
[22:45:46] <danielss89> how do i make it available :P
[22:46:28] <sysmonk> pastebin your postconf -n
[22:47:27] <danielss89> http://pastebin.ca/451791
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[22:48:38] <danielss89> sysmonk does that look right?
[22:49:20] <sysmonk> not really
[22:49:33] <danielss89> :P
[22:49:36] <danielss89> what should i fix?
[22:49:40] <sysmonk> mynetworks_style = $myhostname <- wrong
[22:50:32] <danielss89> what should it be?
[22:51:07] <devdas> host
[22:51:10] <devdas> subnet
[22:51:11] <sysmonk> host, class, subnet
[22:51:16] <devdas> or just set mynetworks correctly
[22:51:40] <danielss89> im sorry im totally newbie to this :)
[22:51:45] <sysmonk> danielss89: if you want to use virtual(8), you don't have to specify the domains in $mydestination
[22:52:00] <danielss89> ive just followed a guide..
[22:52:07] <danielss89> and pasted what it said..
[22:52:12] <sysmonk> you can comment out the relay_domains, the defaults are ok
[22:52:23] <sysmonk> bda guide it had to be
[22:52:24] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:52:54] <danielss89> yeah i couldnt find a decent one for just postfix with mysql and IMAP/SMTP/POP3... on debian etch
[22:53:30] <sysmonk> transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_transport.cf
[22:53:39] <sysmonk> maybe you're mailing from php to a domain you "own" in the transport maps?
[22:53:45] <sysmonk> and the map is kinda not ok ?
[22:54:54] <danielss89> uhm..
[22:55:08] <danielss89> http://pastebin.ca/451800 <-- thats my mysql_transport.cf sysmonk
[22:56:04] <sysmonk> danielss89: are you mailing to somebody who has  the mail on your server?
[22:56:12] <sysmonk> or to a external mail server ( like gmail ) ?
[22:56:13] <danielss89> no
[22:56:16] <danielss89> im mailing outside..
[22:56:27] <danielss89> mail("Danielss89 at gmail dot com", "test", "test");
[22:56:43] <sysmonk> can you show the full error line in the log file ?
[22:56:55] <danielss89> yeah one sec..
[22:57:47] <danielss89> Apr 21 22:50:21 danielss89 postfix/qmgr[21583]: 406501C7836D: to=<Danielss89 at gmail dot com>, relay=none, delay=638, delays=607/31/0/0, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
[22:57:55] <danielss89> thats it sysmonk
[22:58:23] <sysmonk> relay=none
[22:58:50] <danielss89> oh thers more..
[22:59:09] <danielss89> Apr 21 22:50:21 danielss89 postfix/smtp[22405]: E1D7C1C7834C: to=<Danielss89 at gmail dot com>, relay=none, delay=1102, delays=1072/0.08/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to smtp.mail.dk[195.41.46.251]: Connection timed out)
[22:59:17] <sysmonk> ohhh, that's better!
[22:59:18] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:59:37] <danielss89> so it looks like smtp.mail.dk is no good :P
[22:59:50] <danielss89> what other can i use..
[22:59:57] <sysmonk> yup, try telneting to smtp.mail.dk 25
[23:00:15] <sysmonk> danielss89: you don't have to use any, unless your isp blocks conections to port 25
[23:00:26] <danielss89> i dont think it does..
[23:00:33] <sysmonk> i
[23:00:37] <danielss89> so should i comment it out?
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[23:00:41] <sysmonk> then comment out the relayhost =
[23:00:42] <sysmonk> yes
[23:00:49] <sysmonk> and don't forget to reload postfix
[23:01:29] <ptomter> i have now installed postfix and I try to type: postfix start. and it seems that it starts but I get this error: postfix-script: warning: not set-gid or not owner+group+world executable: /usr/sbin/postqueue
[23:01:46] <ptomter> what should I do?
[23:01:55] <danielss89> ohhh yeah.. thanks sysmonk
[23:02:20] <devdas> ptomter: postfix set-permissions
[23:02:59] <ptomter> thank you it worked
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[23:04:17] <danielss89> hmm another thing sysmonk.. now when its working and it reads users, and mail adresses from mysql, i need an online mail checker/sender
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[23:05:27] <sysmonk> don't know what you're talking about
[23:06:44] <danielss89> well.. right now the system just place the mail in a folder.. how can i log in with a browser and check my mail / send mails..
[23:07:15] <sysmonk> ohhh, a webmail :)
[23:07:23] <danielss89> yeah :P
[23:07:28] <sysmonk> danielss89: first of all you have to have a IMAP/POP3 server
[23:07:28] <danielss89> thats the word
[23:07:37] <sysmonk> and then - the webmail wich is capable of talking imap/pop3
[23:07:38] <danielss89> i have..
[23:07:46] <danielss89> i think :P
[23:07:47] <sysmonk> the most popular is squirrelmail
[23:08:04] <danielss89> but would what work with what ive done know..
[23:08:07] <sysmonk> danielss89: but this is not the postfix problem, and you should consider asking on a proper channel for this stuff
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[23:08:14] <danielss89> okey sysmonk
[23:08:36] <sysmonk> or atleast not me ;)
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[23:16:41] <ptomter> when I installed and testet postfix can I then remove the install directory?
[23:17:53] <devdas> yes
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