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[00:35:31] <ac3> rejected by policyd
[00:35:40] <ac3> Is this normal behaviour?
[00:36:29] <higuita> isnt missing a comma or something ?
[00:36:34] <higuita> that look strange
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[00:39:05] <rob0> Comma wouldn't matter. I'd check to see exactly what policyd is giving out. If it gives out a 5xx rejection, that should be the end of the road.
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[00:40:35] <ac3> it gives a 4xx error
[00:40:59] <Zand3r_> Hi. I am using Postfix and Dovecot SASL and am a little confused. I do not tink this is Dovecot specific but a Postfix SASL question. I want to force authenticated SMTP logins to be encrypted so I am forcing TLS. The problem is that incoming mail can not be delivered becasue my setup is now expecting ALL smtp connections to be using TLS. Is there a way to specify that the mail server will behave as normal but all authentic
[00:40:59] <Zand3r_> ated smtp sessions will be over tls?
[00:41:12] <ac3> so with 4xx errors posfix passes mail to the next restriction?
[00:41:44] <rob0> ac3, yes, it continues on looking for permanency.
[00:42:00] <ac3> why is that?
[00:42:10] <higuita> Zand3r_:  disable the tls and set smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes
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[00:42:46] <higuita> or open the submission port (check the master.cf) and configure the clients to use that port
[00:43:00] <synack> hey guys, im still trying to get those firewall logs sent through postfix, anyone know how to turn on relay locally (internal subnet)
[00:43:21] <synack> im getting  Relay access denied
[00:43:34] <ac3> so postfix always goes through all restrictions until some restriction gives a 5xx error?
[00:43:37] <rob0> !basic
[00:43:38] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[00:43:41] <synack> but i can send mail out locally from the ubuntu machine, so SMTP is not blocked
[00:43:43] <rob0> !mynetworks
[00:43:44] <knoba> rob0: 'mynetworks' : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[00:43:49] <rob0> synack: ^^ ^^
[00:45:18] <synack> this is what it says
[00:45:19] <synack> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 192.168.1.0/24
[00:45:30] <synack> when i vi main.cf
[00:45:43] <synack> ill read the link though ...
[00:45:51] <Zand3r_> higuita: So I have set smtp_tls_security_level = may and smtpd_tls_security_level = may rather than "encrypt" - I see the submission lines in master.cf I will go an read up on what these are before deciding which method to choose. Thanks for the guidance.
[00:46:37] <rob0> synack: What is the IP of the firewall, that's appearing in your logs? Is that listed in mynetworks?
[00:46:50] <higuita> smtp_ and smtpd_ are different thing!!
[00:47:09] <higuita> smtp_ is for postfix send emails to other places
[00:47:32] <higuita> smtpd_ is the job that receives emails (clients or other servers)
[00:48:03] <ac3> rob0: it looks like the last error is returned, so if both policyd and a restriction after this check_policy_service gives out a 4xx error, the last one is returned
[00:48:16] <synack> firewall is 192.168.2.100, got it now ,its set for 1.0/24
[00:48:21] <synack> thats the prob im guessing
[00:48:27] <synack> damn i hope this works
[00:48:28] <ac3> i would thingk that normal behaviour would be to return the first error
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[00:50:27] <Zand3r_> higuita: I see - thanks (I must have been followign a particularly poor example) - so I want smtpd_ and will remove smtp_ references. I then need to determine the best way to have authenticated smtp sessions encrypted but still allow other mail servers to deliver as normal. I do not mind using a different port for authenticated smtp so the "submission" option may be appropriate.
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[00:52:02] <higuita> Zand3r_: smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes !!
[00:52:03] <ac3> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions  says: Restrictions are applied in the order as specified; the first restriction that matches wins.
[00:52:16] 
[00:52:29] <higuita> this forces that auth will only happen with ssl/tls
[00:52:44] <higuita> if the client dont start the tls, it will not be able to auth and so, to send emails
[00:53:33] <Zand3r_> higuita: Thanks for the explanation. I was jsut trying it per your original suggestion. Do you mind explaining to me what the submission option is in master.cf by comparison?
[00:54:53] <higuita> rob0: ac3: i also think that the first error applies, take for exemple, reject_unknown_sender_domain will reject with 450, i never got a 550 on a nom existent domain (and reject_unknown_sender_domain is one of the first rules i use)
[00:56:39] <ac3> higuita: idd, but with check_policy_service it seems different
[00:56:41] <higuita> submission opens a new port where postfix will receive emails, but as isnt the "default" smtp port, you can (should!!) configure it to only receive emails with TLS and auth... its also good to bypass isp restriction to port 25
[00:56:44] <synack> ok the relay worked!
[00:57:06] <synack> i used a win2k box to telnet to smtp (port 25) of 192.168.2.106 and the mail went out to gmail
[00:57:19] <synack> now, the firewall still wont send the logs with the SAMe settings
[00:57:27] <synack> can i conclude the firewall is broken?
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[00:58:52] <Zand3r_> higuita: Aha - So I can consider it a second option for authenticated smtp users that are not able to send via their ISP on port 25 - I understand thank you very much. I can also confirm that the settings you suggested now force TLS for authentication whilst allowing servers to delvier as normal.
[01:03:33] <synack> help?
[01:03:42] <synack> i can relay email throuhg a local postfix server
[01:03:49] <synack> but i cannot get my firewall to do the same
[01:03:59] <synack> relay its log as email that is
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[01:36:02] <earthian> hell
[01:36:05] <earthian> ups
[01:36:07] <earthian> hello
[01:36:08] <earthian> :)
[01:36:40] <earthian> how do i make my own customized blacklist of domains that i wish to block for incoming mail?
[01:36:57] <earthian> is there away?
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[01:58:27] <Bejgli> earthian: recipient access = /etc/postfix/blacklist
[01:59:00] <Bejgli> earthian: and put " some.domain.tld REJECT We dont like you. " in that file
[01:59:12] <Bejgli> earthian: sorry, recipient_access , in main.cf
[01:59:34] <Bejgli> earthian: and sender_access as well of course :)
[01:59:43] <Bejgli> sorry im bit tired
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[02:34:04] <synack> I did it!
[02:34:16] <synack> yay, firewall is using postfix as a local relay
[02:34:17] <synack> heh
[02:34:38] <synack> postfix is damn easy to setup, too bad tge firewall was a POS
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[02:47:45] <g3nocide> can anyone tell me if it is possible to set up postfix to forward mail through an existing smtp server that i have auth info for? my isp (all isp's in my area) blocks 25 outgoing. i'd like to set up postfix to use my isp's smtp server to send it's mail.
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[02:52:04] <g3nocide> OmiKoRn: you have any experience making postfix use another smtp server to do it's dirty work ?
[02:56:46] <OmiKoRn> g3nocide: what exactly do you mean?
[02:56:56] <g3nocide> i'll repaste what i said before oyu joined
[02:57:01] <g3nocide> can anyone tell me if it is possible to set up postfix to forward mail through an existing smtp server that i have auth info for? my isp (all isp's in my area) blocks 25 outgoing. i'd like to set up postfix to use my isp's smtp server to send it's mail.
[02:57:15] <g3nocide> basically, i want postfix to use the local rogers smtp server to send it's mail
[02:57:24] <g3nocide> cause they block outgoing on client machines
[02:57:35] <OmiKoRn> like a smtp proxy eh?
[02:57:58] <g3nocide> i was trying for a day to use teh php mail() function, only to realise that frigging rogers blocks it; ie: once i smartened up and looked at my mail log...
[02:58:05] <g3nocide> i guess so
[02:58:30] <g3nocide> i figure postfix must have that ability
[02:58:45] <OmiKoRn> yeah it does.. it's explaine in the docs + 1 mil pages on google
[02:58:48] <OmiKoRn> start diggin` ;)
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[02:59:13] <g3nocide> i've searched smtp forwarding, should i be looking for "smtp proxy postfix" instead >
[02:59:35] <OmiKoRn> or routing
[03:06:15] <g3nocide> ok, im not really finding anything useful, any chance you can give me a shove in the right direction ?
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[03:07:32] <scs> Hey all
[03:07:45] <g3nocide> hi there
[03:08:39] <g3nocide> any chance you know of a good resource I could use to get my postfix install set up to send it's mail through my isp's mail server? my isp blocks port 25, so postifx isnt able to send mail currently.
[03:09:21] <scs> I got postfix set up last night, I thought... lol.. and I checked my maillog this morning and its full of; postfix/virtual[1359]: warning: recipient myemail at mydomain dot org: not found in virtual_uid_maps (obviously its a different email.. but the thing is, its not a virtual anything.. thats the domain, and thats a user... and I still do get mail, but some get deffered with that message :/)
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[03:17:03] <ek> scs: Only some?
[03:18:21] <scs> yeh..
[03:18:22] <scs> its weird.
[03:19:30] <ek> Talk here as opposed to ##FreeBSD.
[03:19:37] <ek> What's in mydestination?
[03:19:50] <scs> I have a few things in mydestination as well
[03:20:11] <scs> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain, mail.$mydomain, www.$mydomain, ftp.$mydomain, paperboy.$mydomain
[03:20:32] <scs> paperboy is the hostname obv..
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[03:20:44] <ek> You don't need that then.
[03:21:04] <ek> $myhostname should be already set to paperboy.domain.tld
[03:22:51] <ek> Pastebin your main.cf file (you can change anything that has to do with your domain)
[03:25:07] <scs> naw its ok
[03:25:10] <scs> I mean like
[03:25:10] <scs> ya
[03:25:11] <scs> Ill paste it
[03:25:16] <scs> lmao
[03:25:18] <scs> k one sec
[03:25:23] <ek> Haha. Okay.
[03:26:22] <scs> http://pastebin.ca/432079
[03:26:31] <ek> K.
[03:27:31] <ek> This is all for local users, right? Nothing virtual?
[03:27:47] <ek> I'll paste one of mine and you can just make adjustments...
[03:27:48] <ek> Hold on.
[03:28:09] <scs> right
[03:29:43] <ek> http://ww2.purplehat.org/~ek/files/main.cf
[03:29:48] <ek> See if that works.
[03:29:54] <ek> Then, just add to it.
[03:29:58] <ek> Anyhow, I'm off for a bit for dinner.
[03:29:59] <ek> See ya'!
[03:30:08] <scs> whats soft_bounce
[03:30:10] <scs> oh
[03:30:11] <scs> ok
[03:30:13] <scs> ttyl
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[04:58:33] <natsume_> hi,
[04:59:06] <natsume_> actually what is the problem if outgoing email stuck/hung in mailq for 30 or 1 hour before it start sending an email ?
[05:02:54] <Zand3r_> I just asked this in 'spamassassin but maybe here is more appropriate since its Postfix specific... I have a Postfix setup and want to run Spamassassin for virtual mailboxes using per-user configurations. Amavisd-new seems to be the standard way to integrate spamassassing but this doesn;t allow for per-user configurations. What are people with virtual-users doing?
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[05:36:59] <hacim> what are these log messages:
[05:37:00] <hacim> Apr  9 08:08:25 albatross postfix/bounce[17187]: E462C3634EB: sender delivery status notification: 478F9376010
[05:37:06] <hacim> anyone know?
[05:37:53] <hacim> similar to ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ postfix/bounce\[[0-9]+\]: [[:upper:]0-9]+: sender non-delivery notification: [[:upper:]0-9]+$
[05:38:08] <hacim> but difference is... this is "delivery" not 'non-delivery'
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[06:27:23] <f3ew> hacim DSN
[06:27:31] <f3ew> Delivery Status Notification
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[06:28:26] <hacim> f3ew: yeah... whats that?
[06:30:05] <f3ew> it tells the the final status of the message (delivered to mailbox or whatever)
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[06:39:14] <hacim> to the original sender or something?
[06:39:19] <hacim> i dont normally get those in my logs
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[06:48:19] <loiic> Hi
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[06:48:39] <loiic> i am setting up a backup Mx mailserver, and i am now wondering how can i test it ?
[06:49:32] <loiic> wouldnt want to found out when the main server goes down that my backup mx wasnt properly set up
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[07:07:53] <loiic> also do we need to specify the  relay_recipient_maps for the backup MX ? or it can be alright just with the relay_domains definition
[07:11:25] <f3ew> !backup
[07:11:26] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "backup" is not a valid command.
[07:11:46] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup
[07:12:03] <loiic> f3ew: i have read that, and that's where i got the relay_domains definition
[07:12:14] <loiic> but i was wondering whether we can go without it or not
[07:12:31] <loiic> i dont see why the backup mx should be aware of the users on a particular domain
[07:12:58] <loiic> i am managing many domains and main users on each, i dont want to have to replicate the user database to the backup mx
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[07:13:31] <loiic> relay_recipient_maps, sorry
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[07:15:20] <loiic> cant the backup just accept any mail destined to a domain for which it is defined as backup, and blindly send them to the primary one when it goes back up?
[07:18:12] <f3ew> and they you generates bounces to spam
[07:18:14] <f3ew> then*
[07:18:57] <loiic> f3ew: that's an issue yes
[07:19:52] <loiic> but what would trigger the bounce actually?
[07:20:22] <loiic> when the primary server goes back up and receive the mail of users that dont exist?
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[07:34:28] <f3ew> right
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[07:44:56] <Thazza> HELP..!!!!
[07:45:15] <Thazza> Anyone here?
[07:45:35] <Fullmetal-Mavez> no
[07:45:47] <Fullmetal-Mavez> !seen smesjz
[07:45:48] <knoba> Fullmetal-Mavez: smesjz was last seen in #postfix 1 week, 0 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 21 seconds ago saying: <smesjz> what's in the logs?
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[07:48:25] <Thazza> Grrr. need major help with postfix on a live mail system that is down.
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[07:51:04] <loiic> maybe you'd like to be more specific Thazza
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[07:51:42] <ek> Thazza: Issue?
[07:52:38] <Thazza> loiic: one of the lower techs upgraded debian to etch. and it has stopped postfix from starting.
[07:52:42] <Thazza> getting this error:
[07:52:54] <Thazza> Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration)
[07:52:54] <Thazza>  failed!
[07:53:15] <ek> Thazza: What does the log say?
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[08:02:07] <ek> Thazza: Figure it out?
[08:02:33] <Thazza> ek: nope.
[08:02:43] <ek> What does the maillog say?
[08:02:47] <Thazza> ek: logs are useless
[08:02:54] <ek> They say nothing?
[08:02:55] <Supaplex> s/log/admin/
[08:03:02] <Thazza> Apr 10 16:00:33 mail postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration)
[08:03:08] <ek> Same thing, eh?
[08:03:08] <Thazza> Thats it
[08:03:29] <ek> Did you run the upgrade-configuration already?
[08:06:05] <Thazza> http://pastebin.ca/432355
[08:08:23] <ek> Hrm. And Postfix is the only thing that won't start?
[08:08:26] <ek> Or are there others?
[08:08:53] <ek> Any chance you can just recompile Postfix and run the update-configuration script?
[08:09:46] <Thazza> ek: that was a dist-upgrade of a debian box.. I am going to kill the guy who did it.
[08:10:10] <ek> Thazza: Yeah. I don't use Linux for these exact reasons.
[08:10:13] <ek> Strictly FBSD.
[08:10:25] <ek> It holds everything together perfectly during updates.
[08:10:44] <ek> I've had the same problem you're having now on productions servers... Drives me nuts.
[08:10:57] <f3ew> ek, my distros don't break down like that
[08:11:15] <f3ew> Thazza, try /usr/sbin/postfix start
[08:11:16] <ek> f3ew: *shrug* I've had those issues before. It sucks.
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[08:21:23] <ek> Thazza: Did you see what f3ew had said
[08:21:24] <ek> ?
[08:23:21] <Fullmetal-Mavez> FBSD ftw!
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[08:30:33] <ek> Fullmetal-Mavez: Damn skippy.
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[08:35:59] <Fullmetal-Mavez> >_<
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[08:53:12] <tastyw> For a new mail server for a new business, which of the spf, spf2 and senderID stuff should I be looking at including?  TIA
[08:53:53] <tastyw> It's been 7 or 8 years since I last set up a mail server and all this authentication, trust, anti spam stuff is new to me :)
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[08:54:34] <ek> tastyw: I would set up as much as you can given your resources honestly.
[08:54:46] <ek> Spam and such is absolutely ridiculous these days.
[08:55:20] <tastyw> thx...I was hoping that one would suffice, but I guess not.....this is for outgoing mail from apps btw....I want the mail to be accepted by gmail/yahoo and such
[08:56:44] <ek> tastyw: As long as it isn't a dynamic/untrusted IP/host, it'll be fine.
[08:58:27] <tastyw> thx...will be static IP...am I trusted by default then?  (untrusted = blacklisted)?
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[09:01:02] <ek> tastyw: Yep. Trusted by default.
[09:01:11] <tastyw> ek: thankyou
[09:01:12] <ek> Make sure you set up an rDNS as well.
[09:01:23] <tastyw> ek: will do
[09:01:34] <ek> IP-NUM-BER-HERE.host.domain.tld doesn't seem to over well.
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[09:03:09] * sysmonk jusr thought of something very scary
[09:03:50] <ek> ?
[09:04:03] <sysmonk> most of spam on my servs are rejected by blacklists...
[09:04:13] <sysmonk> and think about rejecting by blacklists if spamers would use ipv6..
[09:07:20] <sysmonk> damn scary
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[09:52:29] <xermesx> hi all
[09:52:33] <xermesx> good morning
[09:53:59] <f3ew> lo
[09:55:02] <bostik> good morning
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[10:00:41] <Fullmetal-Mavez> yo
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[10:31:25] <jpjacobs> hi! little question, can i have postfix look into the mails i send , and take the myorigin thing from there? because i use different mailacocunts/users and i don't have a fixed hostname for this box
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[12:02:21] <lkthomas> hey guys
[12:02:38] <lkthomas> how could I config postfix to send all email to other server?
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[12:10:14] <Zerberus> lkthomas: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost
[12:14:24] <memic> howto deny mail from mailserver without valid reverse dns?
[12:15:35] <f3ew> !reject_unknown_client
[12:15:35] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "reject_unknown_client" is not a valid command.
[12:15:55] <f3ew> see reject_unknown_client in postconf(5)
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[12:20:36] <lkthomas> Zerberus, the other end is using SASL, would it effect the relayhost ?
[12:22:28] <Zerberus> lkthomas: if it requires SMTP AUTH, then yes you will have to setup postfix client auth
[12:22:57] <lkthomas> how could I config postfix with auth suppose ?!
[12:23:45] <lkthomas> support*
[12:23:52] <memic> thx
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[12:24:22] <Zerberus> lkthomas: did you read the documentation?
[12:24:49] <lkthomas> http://freelock.com/kb/Postfix_relayhost
[12:24:59] <lkthomas> is this site state correctly ?
[12:25:33] <Zerberus> http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/smtp_auth_mailservers.html
[12:25:43] <Zerberus> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[12:26:11] <lkthomas> thanks
[12:26:14] <lkthomas> sounds good :)
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[14:13:26] <charasky> hi
[14:13:42] <charasky> i have a question
[14:14:21] <charasky> how to configure transparent smtp?
[14:15:03] <charasky> i need filter spam in server qmail
[14:15:27] <charasky> |inet|--------|postfix|------|qmail|
[14:15:37] <lennard> why not replace qmail?
[14:15:47] <charasky> i can not
[14:16:13] <charasky> i havent root pass
[14:16:23] <charasky> my boss not permit it
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[14:17:16] <ac3> charasky: what do you mean with transparant smtp?
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[14:17:38] <ac3> do you need the queueing of postfix?
[14:17:59] <charasky> ac3 i need send and receive mails
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[14:18:21] <charasky> qmail have sasl autentication
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[14:19:28] <charasky> how'
[14:19:29] <charasky> ?
[14:20:25] <ac3> how?
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[14:20:38] <charasky> mydestination = anti-spam, anti-spam.rima.org, localhost.rima.org, localhost, rima.org
[14:20:39] <charasky> myhostname = anti-spam.rima.org
[14:20:39] <charasky> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8,10.0.0.1,10.0.0.5,192.168.0.0/24,200.32.2.82,200.32.2.83,200.32.2.85
[14:20:45] <charasky> myorigin = /etc/mailname
[14:20:46] <charasky> recipient_delimiter = +
[14:20:46] <charasky> relayhost = 10.0.0.5
[14:20:48] <charasky> etc..
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[14:21:09] <charasky> qmail is 10.0.0.5
[14:21:17] <ac3> then add sasl for postfix
[14:21:25] <ac3> and you can drop qmail:)
[14:21:39] <charasky> smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[14:21:39] <charasky> smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
[14:21:39] <charasky> smtp_sasl_security_options =
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[14:22:15] <ac3> where does qmail deliver the mail to?
[14:23:01] <charasky> ac3 my boss would like
[14:23:30] <ac3> girls with big tits, mine too:)
[14:23:52] <charasky> :(
[14:23:59] <ac3> is qmail the final destination?
[14:24:05] <charasky> yes
[14:24:22] <ac3> is it on a different server?
[14:24:29] <charasky> yes
[14:24:38] <charasky> |inet|--------|postfix|------|qmail|
[14:24:45] <charasky> now
[14:24:52] <charasky> |inet|---------|qmail|
[14:24:56] <ac3> what do you want with postfix? why no just inet-qmail?
[14:25:10] <charasky> i dont root pass
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[14:27:39] <charasky> it is outsoucirng ac3
[14:34:47] <ac3> what extra funt you want with postfix?
[14:35:00] <ac3> funt= functionality
[14:35:17] <charasky> antispam+antivirus
[14:35:40] <charasky> spamassassin+clamav
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[14:46:21] <charasky> ac3 :(
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[14:50:03] <roe> what is a safe maxproc number
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[15:04:34] <Fallenou> hello, i just followed the INSTALL directives for postfix, and i am wondering how to make the pop3 server up :o
[15:04:38] <Fallenou> the smtpd seems to be up
[15:05:27] <sep> Fallenou, postfix is a smtpd,
[15:05:33] <sep> pop3 is a whole different deamon
[15:05:40] <Fallenou> there is no pop3 daemon in postfix ?
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[15:05:49] <sep> postfis is not a smtp deamon
[15:05:54] <sep> not a pop3/imap deamon
[15:06:07] <sep> postfix is a smtp deamon
[15:06:31] <Fallenou> o_o
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[15:06:33] <sep> you can use dovecot, or courier for imap
[15:07:06] <Fallenou> so if i want to have a pop3 daemon to receive mail , what software do you advise me to use ?
[15:07:08] <sep> i use courier.
[15:07:11] <Fallenou> courier ok
[15:07:16] <sep> but i hear lots of good things abotu dovecot
[15:08:39] <Fallenou> can you give me some informations about courier ? how to add mail account ?
[15:09:17] <sep> Fallenou, i use the howto that's linked in the topic on this irc channel. and i use virtual users with passwords in mysql
[15:09:36] <Fallenou> thats what i want to do :)
[15:09:38] <sep> if you have real users i guess pam would do it for you .
[15:09:45] <sep> then read the topic
[15:09:46] <Fallenou> i compiled postfix with mysql support
[15:09:53] <Fallenou> ok thank you a lot
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[15:16:35] <jpjacobs> could i have postfix extract the from adress frm the mails it sends, and use those as my_origin?
[15:17:59] <Zerberus> jpjacobs: the MUA should set the proper envelope address
[15:18:51] <roe> can anyone reccommend a good postfix log analyizer that will break down mail by domain (virtual domains)? I would like to see which domain is doing what
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[15:20:04] <Fallenou> sep < you followed this http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/postfix ?
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[15:22:01] <sep> i used http://workaround.org
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[15:52:25] <skoenman> hallo can someone please help me
[15:52:41] <sep> skoenman, impossible
[15:52:49] <skoenman> i need to mail 1 mail to more than n 100 recipients
[15:53:11] <skoenman> but my isp smtp server doesnt allow it
[15:53:15] <skoenman> any ideas???
[15:53:32] <natsume_> create ur own smtp server
[15:53:58] <doomas_na> create a mailinglist
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[15:57:46] <charasky> help with smtp Authentication for Mail servers
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[15:57:56] <charasky> it dont work
[15:59:09] <skoenman> k and then
[15:59:10] <skoenman> ???
[15:59:59] <charasky> http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/smtp_auth_mailservers.html
[16:00:35] <charasky> my postconf -n yes relayhost = 10.0.0.5
[16:00:36] <charasky> smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
[16:00:36] <charasky> smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
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[16:06:52] <schultzconsult> Hi, which channel will be right for asking about maildir related stuff?
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[16:15:24] <cpm> what imap server are you using? (maildir being an imap thing)
[16:18:42] <skoenman> that mailing list were do i do the setup for it on postfix or on outlook???
[16:20:18] <cpm> can you rephrase that question a bit?
[16:22:16] <nihraguk> does mailbox_transport work for both /etc/passwd and virtual recipients?
[16:22:39] <skoenman> can anyone help i need to setup a mailing list
[16:22:51] <skoenman> were do i do the setup???outlook or postfix
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[16:23:37] <Fullmoon> Is it possible to write a script that writes me an E-Mail as soon as postfix receives as message, bigger than, lets say, 20 MB?
[16:26:28] <roe> skoenman, is your question... What is the proper tool to implement a mailing list, Microsoft Outlook or Postfix?
[16:28:01] <mordaunt> I want to set up an mx  machine.  Just does some spam checks, checks if the account exists else reject etc. and then forward messages to the mailstore. Do I still have to define virtual mailbox dir?
[16:28:25] <mordaunt> virtual mailbox base
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[16:28:53] <skoenman> yeah want to know wich tool to use
[16:29:29] <choongii> is the error 'insufficient system storage' also sent when a message size exceeds message size limit ?
[16:30:04] <choongii> got this error all of the sudden while there's 80gb free space
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[17:35:19] <[miles]> good afternoon #postfix
[17:35:42] <[miles]> guys is there a way to force lowercasing of all email addresses?
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[17:44:37] <nihraguk> when email is reinjected back into postfix after being processed by an external filter (dspam) it doesn't seem to be rewritten by virtual_aliases any more... is there anyway i can fix this?
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[17:55:20] <kokoko1> hi
[17:56:46] <Supaplex> hello there.
[17:57:00] <kokoko1> our mail server hosting virtual domains with msyql backend and dovecot. Now i want to enable only spam filtering with SA
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[17:57:59] <kokoko1> and need to redirect all spams to users .spam folder for all v.domain users
[17:58:16] <kokoko1> I will greatly appreciate any link, help in this regards
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[18:19:17] <Supaplex> kokoko1: are you using user:mailbox/directory aliases, or user:user?
[18:20:52] <kokoko1> Supaplex, maildir /var/spool/vmail/v.domain/username
[18:22:06] <Supaplex> you'll need to use email:user mapping, and have the local delivery agent place it.
[18:22:30] <Supaplex> unless you want to patch postfix :) that could be cool.
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[18:25:04] <lennard> or have mailfilter do the delivery, I think
[18:25:23] <lennard> err
[18:25:24] <lennard> maildrop
[18:25:26] <lennard> something :P
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[18:26:11] <Supaplex> yeah, that qualifies. =)
[18:26:28] <Supaplex> maildrop > procmail > ugly perl script
[18:26:55] <lennard> just maildrop is actually quite clean
[18:27:21] <Supaplex> no argument here
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[18:27:26] <lennard> if done right :)
[18:27:32] <lennard> anyway, gotta cook some dinner
[18:27:39] <Supaplex> make some for us!
[18:31:40] <DanielX>
[18:31:40] <DanielX> somebody ah had east problem with hotmail, for mail Queued delivery
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[18:48:14] <schultzconsult> I got a maildir, which I want to empty, may I just delete all the files in it or will it breake the maildir?
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[18:48:47] <schultzconsult> no mails need to be saved, just remove every single e-mail
[18:48:48] <hacim> schultzconsult: don't delete the folders
[18:49:01] <hacim> the cur new tmp folders need to stay
[18:49:17] <schultzconsult> so delete files are okay, but leave the folders
[18:49:56] <hacim> yes
[18:50:06] <schultzconsult> I also got the following folers in a maildir: courierimapkeywords  courierimapsubscribed  courierimapuiddb
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[18:50:57] <schultzconsult> should I just ignore them og should I take any action against them? Doh, they must be related to courier
[18:52:46] <hacim> dont delete those either
[18:52:55] <hacim> just delete what is in cur/ and new/
[18:53:07] <hacim> or .foldername/cur .foldername/new
[18:53:13] <schultzconsult> okay and then courier will fix the courierimapuiddb file
[18:53:55] <Fallenou> sep < i think my courier-imap is not very well installed, so i try to compile new version from sources (in order to have authdaemonrc and authmysql) but it says during  ./configure : configure: error: /home/vpopmail/etc/lib_deps does not exist - upgrade vpopmail to the current version or fix the permissions on this file
[18:54:41] <schultzconsult> it contains about 275.000 lines refereing to files in /cur I gues
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[18:56:10] <Fallenou> i am lost :( i don't know how to make a simple installation of postfix + courier :(
[18:56:54] <schultzconsult> Fallenou: which linux are you using?
[18:57:04] <Fallenou> fedora core 2
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[18:57:13] <Fallenou> packages are old so i try to build from sources
[18:57:33] <Fallenou> i tried to follow this tutorial : http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[18:57:44] <Fallenou> but i think this is a little bit too complex for me
[18:57:51] <Fallenou> i don't need virtual host or something like this
[18:58:10] <Fallenou> i only have one domain, and i only want a simple mail system with pop3 and smtp for uses@mydomain
[18:58:18] <Fallenou> users*
[18:58:58] <Zerberus> Fallenou: FC2 is EOL since long time - thus a general security risc
[18:59:12] <Fallenou> i know that this linux is very old but i can't upgrade
[18:59:17] <Fallenou> it's on a dedicated server
[18:59:30] <Fallenou> it's for personal use
[18:59:45] <Fallenou> datas are not so confidential =)
[19:00:29] <Fallenou> doesn't it exist a simple tutorial to do the very basic installation i want ?
[19:00:43] <schultzconsult> Fallenou: it's not about your data, it's more about the risk of getting abused to hack other people
[19:02:10] <Fallenou> hum ok
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[19:03:25] <schultzconsult> does FC2 not have a RPM system to search for packagedes?
[19:03:57] <Fallenou> yes  it has but i have some special version of FC2 and i cannot do what i want with automated package systems
[19:04:11] <Fallenou> so i want to build from sources
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[19:08:09] <djs_2_6> Hey all.  Have removed and reinstalled postfix so that I can start anew.  Am cleaning up the main.cf right now.  For $myhostname, does it want mail.mydomain.org, or hostname.mydomain.org?
[19:08:53] <devdas> either
[19:09:32] <djs_2_6> Well, I should have said, I intend to do virtual domains, too, if that makes any difference?
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[19:37:00] <firecrotch> Okay, I'm having issues receiving mail.  I'm running Postfix on Ubuntu 6.10.  Some mail gets delivered, most does not, and it appears to be random.
[19:38:00] <schultzconsult> what does qshape active say?
[19:38:41] <firecrotch> all 0's
[19:38:59] <schultzconsult> qshape incoming?
[19:39:11] <schultzconsult> qshape deferred
[19:39:41] <firecrotch> all 0's for both of those too
[19:41:25] <schultzconsult> okay... hmm... what does a ps -ef | grep [s]mtp | wc -l
[19:42:07] <firecrotch> 0
[19:42:32] <schultzconsult> and your system acts normal besides mail
[19:42:34] <schultzconsult> ?
[19:42:40] <firecrotch> Yep.
[19:43:08] <schultzconsult> do you know if the e-mails are being bounced to the sender?
[19:43:30] <firecrotch> They're not being bounced
[19:44:10] <schultzconsult> hmm..
[19:44:42] <firecrotch> There's absolutely nothing reported in /var/log/mail.log when the email fails
[19:45:59] <schultzconsult> okay, but the e-mails are registered in mail.log?
[19:46:33] <firecrotch> the ones I get are, yes
[19:47:59] <schultzconsult> okay, so it might be that they do not find the rute to your server..
[19:50:04] <firecrotch> Hmm... now that you say that, that seems to make sense (a little).  If I send it to address@ipaddress  it works
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[19:51:10] <firecrotch> but why would some mails be getting through randomly?
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[20:38:37] <Deep6> devdas you want a challenge?
[20:39:36] <Deep6> I'm wondering how to translate firstname at domain1 dot com to first name initial lastname at domain2 dot com
[20:39:48] <Deep6> ie john at domain1 dot com to jdoe at domain2 dot com
[20:39:55] <Deep6> on inbound mailk
[20:39:56] <Deep6> er mail
[20:40:17] <Zelest> /etc/aliases ?
[20:41:05] <devdas> virtual_alias_maps, or canonical_maps
[20:41:18] <Deep6> well, the problem is I'm using ldap right now
[20:41:33] <Deep6> Zelest I tried with /etc/aliases but it was ignored
[20:41:55] <Deep6> devdas can I put those maps into ldap?
[20:42:25] <Deep6> sorry dumb question I know I can...sorry
[20:43:07] <devdas> yes
[20:43:49] <Deep6> devdas lets say that my current users are jdoe at domain dot com because the unix accounts are jdoe on the system
[20:44:02] <Deep6> we just bought a company ie domain2.com
[20:44:22] <Deep6> I'd like to eventually end up at john.doe at domain dot com
[20:44:33] <Deep6> can I translate both my original domain.com, as well as domain2.com
[20:44:57] <Deep6> to the new format?
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[20:49:56] <djs_2_6> For proxy_interfaces parameter, I have a dynamic ip on my outside interface of the NAT gateway.  Can I reference a fqdn like g1.mydomain.org, which has its ip automatically updated to zoneedit instead?
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[20:52:54] <wad> I've got spamassassin properly flagging spam, and postfix then does local delivery. Procmail sticks flagged spam into each user's "Spam" folder (using Maildir), creating it if needed. Problem: Permissions on these mails are root:mail instead of username:username. Same with the Spam folder. I'm using debian etch. Is there a proper way to fix this?
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[21:03:33] <Fallenou> i get this error using postfix -ERR Temporary problem, please try again later
[21:03:47] <Fallenou> (in telnet host 110)
[21:03:59] <Fallenou> do you know what is the problem ?
[21:05:12] <wad> Fallenou, ask your system administrator.
[21:05:24] <Fallenou> here i am ^^
[21:05:25] <wad> I'm just kidding ya. :)
[21:05:33] <Fallenou> lol =)
[21:05:40] <wad> I hate it when the error message says stuff like that.
[21:06:03] <wad> "You ^^&$@! program, I am the system admin! Give me more info on what was wrong!"
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[21:06:05] <Fallenou> me too me too
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[21:06:16] <Fallenou> my error message is not better
[21:06:31] <Fallenou> i get this just after typing my password
[21:06:31] <wad> I'm no expert at all.
[21:06:34] <wad> Yuo looked in the logs?
[21:06:41] <wad> Logs are friends.
[21:06:43] <Fallenou> i really don't know where the logs are
[21:06:51] <wad> Try /var/log
[21:06:55] <Fallenou> i tried
[21:07:01] <wad> What OS?
[21:07:12] <Fallenou> an old OS .... Fedora core 2 :s
[21:07:22] <Fallenou> but it is not the package of FC2, it is the latest source
[21:07:22] <schultzconsult> try a tail -f /var/log/mail.log at the same time you are trying to do a telnet 110 to the host, then you might catch a message
[21:07:36] <wad> Yeah, that.
[21:08:03] <Fallenou> no error message in /var/log/maillog
[21:08:48] <Fallenou> just one thing
[21:08:51] <Fallenou> my Maildir is not in ~/
[21:08:55] <Fallenou> but in ~/private/
[21:09:00] <Fallenou> is it good or not ?
[21:09:46] <schultzconsult> it should not matter, where you place the maildir
[21:10:06] <Fallenou> ok
[21:10:15] <schultzconsult> we have them placed in /var/mail/virtual/domain/user
[21:10:45] <kokoko1> so how you ppl redirecting spam email to .spam folder using amavisd-new ?
[21:11:16] <cpm> amavis just tags the header, I use maildrop to redirect
[21:11:26] <kokoko1> cpm, maildrop
[21:11:27] <kokoko1> hmm
[21:11:31] <Fallenou> You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/fallen
[21:11:32] <Fallenou> o_o
[21:11:36] <Fallenou> there is a problem
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[21:11:40] <kokoko1> would you plese point me to some link
[21:11:53] <Fallenou> i think i have a problem of configuration for the mailboxes :p
[21:11:56] <Fallenou> but i don't find where !
[21:12:48] <cpm> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Maildrop_configuration
[21:13:07] <Fallenou> i created my maildir doing "maildirmake" in /var/www/vhosts/yozora-irc.net/subdomains/fallen/private/
[21:13:14] <kokoko1> cpm, thanks looking
[21:13:23] <Fallenou> and it says to me that the mail arrived at /var/spool/fallen
[21:13:34] <Fallenou> and effectively they are all in that file :o
[21:14:19] <kokoko1> cpm, what if i am not using Courier?
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[21:15:36] <kokoko1> cpm, i am sure one can also do the same with procmail right?
[21:15:41] <cpm> kokoko1, sure
[21:16:03] <kokoko1> cpm, you have v.domains?
[21:16:06] <cpm> or sieve, or whatever
[21:16:16] <Fallenou> i am using procmail postfix and courier-imap (for pop3)
[21:16:17] <cpm> kokoko1, all my domains are virtual, local is a pain
[21:16:24] <cpm> not worth the effort
[21:16:50] <kokoko1> so how you craete .spam for new emal accounts?
[21:17:19] <djs_2_6> cpm, any tips for setting up all virtual on OBSD4?
[21:17:20] <kokoko1> so that redirecting works with all v.email addresses
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[21:18:07] <schultzconsult> Fallenou: do you have directories in your /private folder?
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[21:18:13] <Fallenou> yes
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[21:21:51] <Fallenou> schultzconsult i have some directories and some files yes
[21:21:55] <Fallenou> in ~/private
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[21:24:52] <wad> My ISP just blocked my outgoing email. Their FAQ says that this is because I'm sending too many emails (1000+). Is there a way to see how many messages I'm actually sending? Some postfix log analyzer, something like that?
[21:25:43] <cpm> pflogsumm.pl
[21:26:06] <wad> thanks
[21:26:34] <Fallenou> schultzconsult i use authpam to login
[21:28:20] <schultzconsult> do it contains the following directories: cur, new and temp ?
[21:29:37] <Fallenou> the Maildir/ ? yes
[21:29:42] <Fallenou> the private ? no
[21:29:43] <schultzconsult> yep
[21:29:51] <schultzconsult> the maildir
[21:31:02] <Fallenou> yes it contains those directories
[21:31:32] <Fallenou> cur new and tmp
[21:32:16] <Fallenou> i must have done a mistake in configuration :o
[21:32:21] <Fallenou> if you could help me to find it
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[21:37:45] <JPC1976> hey, im a newbie to postfix just installed and looked at docs
[21:37:56] <JPC1976> im getting this when trying to send a mail... 550 [PERMFAIL] gmail.com requires valid sender domain
[21:38:07] <JPC1976> anyone seen anything like this before?
[21:44:09] <sw> JPC1976, what does your email look like ?
[21:44:22] <JPC1976> is anyone using smtp.comcast.net as their postfix relay host?
[21:45:28] <wad> I am
[21:45:45] <JPC1976> sw: echo "yo" | /bin/mail blah at blah dot com
[21:45:51] <JPC1976> thats what my mail looks like
[21:46:06] <JPC1976> and i've tried multiple emails
[21:46:30] <schultzconsult> your config should be in /etc/postfix
[21:46:42] <schultzconsult> and you should look at main.conf
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[21:47:07] <sw> JPC1976, you are for sure sending emails with a non fqdn hostname
[21:47:14] <wad> I have a question about pflogsumm: In the reports, does "delivered" refer to outgoing mails, or to locally delivered incoming emails?
[21:47:37] <wad> It says I "delivered" 1800 mails yesterday. I'm thinking that is just incoming spam.
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[21:47:51] <wad> But since comcast just shut down my outgoing email, due to excessive use, I'm wondering...
[21:47:56] <JPC1976> sw: should that cause them to bounce?
[21:48:22] <JPC1976> the hostname of my box is "fedora"
[21:48:24] <sw> JPC1976, depends on the remote server..
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[21:48:52] <JPC1976> like i said im new to mailservers
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[21:49:10] <JPC1976> what does your /etc/hosts look like?
[21:49:23] <JPC1976> mine just says 127.0.0.1    fedora (the name of my box)
[21:49:35] <JPC1976> you're saying that i should change that to a fdqn?
[21:49:50] <sw> this is not about the hosts file.. it's about $myorigin in main.cf
[21:50:16] <sw> you should set up $myhostname $mydomainname and $myorigin
[21:50:43] <schultzconsult> Fallenou: I'm leaving for tonight, good luck with your installation... I'll be back on the net tomorrow
[21:50:48] <djs_2_6> sw, what should those look like if you are doing all virtual mailboxes?
[21:50:59] <JPC1976> im main.cf myhostname = fedora
[21:51:02] <Fallenou> ok thanks schultzconsult :)
[21:51:15] <Fallenou> i'll certainly be back tomorrow too :p
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[21:51:43] <sw> djs_2_6 : ?
[21:52:04] <wad> Is there a way to count outbound emails using pflogsumm? It only seem to count inbound ones.
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[21:53:12] <djs_2_6> I have multiple domains that I want to set up with postfix, but am not sure how to proceed.  Have been on postfix.org reading it all, but for each topic, is only a short example, and I am not sure what examples need to be pasted together in my main.cf...
[21:53:44] <sw> djs_2_6, for virtual mailboxes/domains you should configure virtual_*
[21:54:14] <djs_2_6> And totally ignore $myhostname, $mydomain, and $myorigin?
[21:54:27] <sw> djs_2_6, postfixwiki.org has all you need
[21:54:39] <sw> djs_2_6, no, you still need to set them
[21:56:09] <sw> djs_2_6, http://postfix.wiki.xs4all.nl/index.php?title=Virtual_Users_and_Domains_with_Courier-IMAP_and_MySQL
[21:56:16] <djs_2_6> So, I have to have a fqdn as an anchor, and then what, it cannot be in $mydomain and virtual from what I have read...
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[21:59:13] <PY1NB> how do I clear mail queue?
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[22:02:11] <wad> cpm: pflogsumm only seems to report on emails received. I need to figure out how many my site is sending. Is there another tool that does this?
[22:02:34] <Deep6> is there anyway that unknown locals' can be sent to a  single address instead of being rejected?
[22:03:11] <djs_2_6> Deep6 - isn't that the catchall function?
[22:05:01] <Deep6> djs_2_6 not sure.... I am trying to figure out how to swallow an entire domain... and it's users...right now I'm rejecting local recipients...
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[22:05:38] <Deep6> I'd like to translate their users into our format, but I might as well try and translate all of our users into a full fname.lname address as well
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[22:09:37] <wad> Is there any way to get a report on how many outgoing emails postfix is sending?
[22:10:01] <sepski> wad,  i use pflogsum
[22:10:16] <wad> I just installed that, but it doesn't count outbound emails.
[22:10:38] <wad> sepski, it only seems to be counting incoming mails.
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[22:11:08] <RS2> Hello, need some help. My Problem "message_size_limit = 10240000" is too small. I went through master.cf and I googled , but can't find the solution.
[22:11:15] <RS2> In /var/log/messages the message is "warning: 771957C09E: queue file size limit exceeded"
[22:11:24] <wad> sepski, or maybe I'm just reading it wrong? What does "delivered" mean? I'm using local delivery, is this counting them? Or is "delivered" supposed to refer to outgoing mail?
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[22:15:12] <sepski> both ?
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[22:15:15] <sepski> as in the sum ?
[22:15:40] <wad> Oh
[22:15:57] <wad> Hmm.... I'm trying to figure out how many mails my server is sendout out every day.
[22:16:11] <wad> So this isn't very helpful, then.
[22:16:18] <wad> Maybe I need more details in the report.
[22:16:19] * wad tries again
[22:17:04] <sysmonk> wad: use grep + pflogsumm
[22:17:16] <wad> sysmonk, ooooh...
[22:17:24] <wad> good idea! It takes data in stdin.
[22:17:34] * wad goes to figure out what to grep on.
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[22:18:14] <sysmonk> wad: grep 'relay=', and grep -v 127.0.01 and grep -v yourdomain
[22:18:29] * wad snags this text for analysis
[22:19:33] <wad> I've got relay=local
[22:19:37] <wad> relay=spamassassin
[22:19:58] <wad> Ah.....I want the one for my ISPs relay. Got it.
[22:20:08] <sysmonk> wad: then do cat /var/log/maillog | grep "relay=" | grep -v "relay=local" | grep -v "relay=spamassassin" | pflogsumm
[22:20:18] <sysmonk> i don't know your configs
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[22:20:27] <sysmonk> so i can't say anything 100%
[22:20:29] <wad> You've given me a good idea, though! Thanks!
[22:20:45] <sysmonk> np
[22:21:49] <wad> Got it!
[22:21:59] <wad> 1265 delivered. Ouchie! No wonder my ISP blocked me!
[22:23:11] <o_cee> how would i do to restrict my users, who smtp auth into postfix, to only send mails from their own address/domain? i'm using PostfixAdmin and virtual users.. i found "smtpd_sender_login_maps" but don't know how to use it for my setup..
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[22:33:02] <aichainz> larry birkhead ?!?
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[22:43:58] <RS2> How can I configure a greater maximum size for outgoing mails?  I try to screw the "message_size_limit = 10240000" higher because I get the message: postfix/cleanup[6391]: warning: 34E647C09E: queue file size limit exceeded.  I have tried " -o message_size_limit=228388608" in the master.cf
[22:45:47] <Zelest> A more interesting question is, will the remote mail-server accept mails that big? :o
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[22:47:14] <RS2> Zelest, sending to myself shoud working , at least.
[22:47:34] <RS2> The test message has 14 MB. Quiet normal :-)
[22:47:43] * Zelest suggest scp ;)
[22:49:00] <RS2> The message is send by the Client and the client gets an error after transmitting-status is at 99% .
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[22:56:27] <ryanakca> when I run openssl genrsa -des3 -rand /etc/hosts -out smtpd.key 1024    , should I put in a pass phrase? or no?
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[23:07:58] <telmich> anyone an hint, why the postfix on my laptop claims to not find mx entries for domains mx entries have with the error 'MX: Host not found, try again'?
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[23:08:10] <telmich> /etc/resolv.conf is ok, using dig also works
[23:09:20] <telmich> for instance sending a testmail to user at schottelius dot org (my own domain) also gives me that error
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[23:11:23] <telmich> *SHOT* -> there's also resolv.conf below postfix configuration dir :/
[23:14:24] <rob0> telmich: Debian? Sounds like chroot. See the following:
[23:14:28] <rob0> !debug
[23:14:29] <knoba> rob0: 'debug' : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.com/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[23:14:57] <telmich> rob0: yes, thanks
[23:17:06] <telmich> damn..should have remembered why there's an extra /etc/
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[23:34:36] <xored> hello. I upgraded my debian to etch and now running into problems with sending emails ( its my root server ) i cannot login ( sasld is running )
[23:36:21] <xored> http://pastebin.ca/433573
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[23:38:20] <nihraguk> hi, i'm getting this error in my logs: warning: connect to pgsql server 127.0.0.1: SSL SYSCALL error: No such file or directory? i know that this is probably due to postfix being chrooted in my debian installation. however i would prefer not to unchroot it. how should i go about making it able to access pgsql in its chroot environment?
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