[00:01:07] <schultzconsult> might be a solution, but I hope the new hardware will give the server enough power to keep up
[00:01:47] <bda> If they are spamming your system(s), it is probably better to limit the numbers of connections they can have before it even gets to Postfix.
[00:02:03] <bda> (s/spamming/blatting/ # I assume it's valid mail)
[00:02:29] <schultzconsult> It's valid mail, but just toons of it
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[00:10:56] <schultzconsult> smtpd_client_message_rate_limit = 1 did the trick :-D
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[00:32:53] <schultzconsult> bda: thanks for you help, will go to bed now
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[00:38:35] <Badunkadunk> bda: Can you help me?
[00:38:46] <Badunkadunk> I'm fairly retarded
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[00:39:08] <Badunkadunk> I've been posting what I'm trying to do for awhile
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[00:43:25] <bda> Badunkadunk: I can try.
[00:44:22] <bda> I don't see your problem in scrollback... what is it?
[00:46:15] <Badunkadunk> I'm trying to do mail2news
[00:46:48] <Badunkadunk> bda: I'd like to have either m2n+<newsgroup> at mydomain dot com be sent to a newsgroup
[00:47:06] <Badunkadunk> Or I could do <newsgroup> at m2n dot mydomain.com
[00:47:32] <Badunkadunk> THe point is, I want it in the email To: field, not in a "newsgroup" field
[00:47:49] <Badunkadunk> I've had no success at doing m2n+<newsgroup>
[00:48:12] <Badunkadunk> I've talked to someone who's given me a strategy for m2n.mydomain.com
[00:48:39] <bda> Like having Postfix do the explosion of <newsgroup> or passing it off via a tranport to rewrite it and then reinject?
[00:48:55] <bda> I can't think of any easy way to do that off the top of my head... which is probably my fault, not postfix's. :)
[00:49:18] <Badunkadunk> Let me tell you the strategy for the latter
[00:50:21] <Badunkadunk> I put m2n.mydomain.com usenetter: in transport
[00:50:33] <Badunkadunk> then in master.cf
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[00:51:01] <Badunkadunk> I put
[00:51:08] <Badunkadunk> usenetter unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[00:51:08] <Badunkadunk>  flags=FR user=nobody argv=/usr/local/bin/multipost -p $user
[00:51:39] <Badunkadunk> where multipost is supposedly a script that handles the mail2news thing successfully
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[00:52:28] <bda> Is the script smart enough to parse m2n+<foo>@ for <foo> and build the message appropriately?
[00:52:57] <bda> Or could it be made so?
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[00:55:25] <bda> I would not be surprised if there is a way to get postfix to split str1+str2@ and send to str2@ but I'm afraid I don't know it. :\
[00:57:02] <Badunkadunk> First, if you do subdomain.mydomain.com newservicename:
[00:57:14] <Badunkadunk> in transport
[00:57:38] <Badunkadunk> Will any mail sent to subdomain.mydomain.com be transported via newservicename?
[00:58:44] <bda> Yeah.
[01:00:25] <Badunkadunk> well that'll work
[01:00:47] <Badunkadunk> I've had way to much trouble getting m2n+newsgroup to work
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[01:20:37] <Badunkadunk> bda: I was trying to use lmtp2nntp but it would never work
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[01:30:42] <Badunkadunk> bda: Is there any way to see the exact SMTP conversation that occurs with postfix and whatever it transports the message to?
[01:30:55] <MrParanoia> when trying to send m ail via a telnet session, is the <CR><LF> suppose to be the Enter key?
[01:31:04] <Badunkadunk> I've tried -v in master.conf but it doesn't show it precisely
[01:31:59] <Badunkadunk> MrParanoia: well, it's either cr-lf, lf-lf, or cr-cr
[01:32:09] <Badunkadunk> I thought it was \n\n myself
[01:33:27] <MrParanoia> i was trying to follow the instructions to finish a message but i can't get out in order to send the message - i assumed that pressing the enter key twice would do what is needed
[01:34:01] <Badunkadunk> Hit a period on a line by itself
[01:34:02] <MrParanoia> 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
[01:34:14] <Badunkadunk> Or Ctrl-D
[01:34:28] <Badunkadunk> There's a period there
[01:34:45] <MrParanoia> ok - i need new glasses
[01:35:14] <Badunkadunk> I'd like the record to reflect that I have been useful on this channel
[01:36:20] <MrParanoia> i was trying to telnet to the hotmail mail server to debug a mail issue to hotmail and msn accounts - none of  my e-mail is getting to those recipients and the mail doesn't bounce - it's starting to look like a reverse DNS issue
[01:37:08] <MrParanoia> it certainly isn't due to spamming or open relay
[01:37:22] <jduggan> hrm, didnt realise hotmail also check for reverse
[01:38:12] <MrParanoia> i can telnet to the hotmail server but it times out awful quick
[01:38:26] <Badunkadunk> are you on unix?
[01:38:32] <MrParanoia> MSN quality i guess
[01:38:35] <MrParanoia> yes
[01:38:47] <MrParanoia> mandriva 2007
[01:38:59] <Badunkadunk> put your shit in a file, then cat file | telnet blah 25
[01:39:39] <MrParanoia> i don't want to piss them off - i want the problem resolved
[01:40:01] <Badunkadunk> how would that piss them off?
[01:40:05] <MrParanoia> anyway, my isp is doing the reverse DNS responses instead of my DNS server
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[01:58:26] <goodshit> anyone konw of a opensource like pastebin? I want to install one of that for internal uses. Anyone know??
[01:59:42] <Supaplex> I think buu's bot has one. see #perl, say buubot: source
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[02:34:09] <ryanakca> when I go 'nc localhost 25', I can connect, but I don't get any response
[02:34:12] <ryanakca> any ideas?
[02:35:03] <Badunkadunk> what's nc
[02:36:00] <paa> hello
[02:36:17] <paa> what's goin gon?
[02:36:27] <ryanakca> nc - TCP/IP swiss army knife
[02:36:31] <Badunkadunk> What's going on is that my postfix sucks
[02:36:37] <ryanakca> the same thing as going telnet localhost 25
[02:36:50] <ryanakca> except 4 chars shorter
[02:36:51] <paa> haha
[02:36:51] <Badunkadunk> well maybe you broke it
[02:36:53] <lunaphyte> !logs
[02:36:54] <paa> what's wrong?
[02:36:55] <knoba> lunaphyte: 'logs' : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf should tell you where logs are going.
[02:37:04] <lunaphyte> ryanakca: ^^
[02:37:21] <paa> is lmtp faster than smtp?
[02:37:31] <Badunkadunk> lmtp sucks
[02:37:49] <ryanakca> oops
[02:38:03] <ryanakca> ./var/log/mail.err is empty, and mail.log has nothing usefull
[02:38:15] <paa> why does it suck?
[02:38:16] <ryanakca> IRC thought it was a command, sorry :)
[02:38:33] <Badunkadunk> You should apologize to your netcat
[02:38:45] <ryanakca> netcat?
[02:39:01] <Badunkadunk> nc
[02:39:12] <ryanakca> ah
[02:39:14] <ryanakca> why?
[02:39:28] <Badunkadunk> you made it mad
[02:39:40] <Badunkadunk> it doesn't want to talk to you
[02:39:52] <lunaphyte> paa: no, it's not any faster.
[02:40:09] * ryanakca kicks nc into /dev/null
[02:40:24] <lunaphyte> ryanakca: is postfix showing a connection?
[02:40:55] <ryanakca> in the logs, no
[02:41:00] <ryanakca> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     18154/master
[02:41:06] <ryanakca> if that's usefull
[02:41:10] <ryanakca> logs are empty
[02:41:41] <ryanakca> well, of anything related to ppostfix
[02:41:45] <ryanakca> a line or two of this:
[02:41:49] <ryanakca> May  6 21:21:54 kolab spamd[13501]: server started on port 783/tcp (running version 3.0.3)
[02:42:21] <lunaphyte> does postfix start successfully?
[02:42:29] <ryanakca> and then the rest is this 'May  6 21:21:54 kolab spamd[13501]: server successfully spawned child process, pid 13610'
[02:42:44] <ryanakca> well, it's running, and It doesn't spit out any errors that it isn't
[02:42:59] <ryanakca> root     18154  0.0  0.2   2900  1068 ?        Ss   May06   0:00 /kolab/libexec/postfix/master
[02:43:22] * ryanakca can pastebin main.cf and master.cf
[02:43:33] <lunaphyte> meaning if you stop and start the process, does it complain at that point?
[02:43:34] <ryanakca> or, even tar up his config dir and stick it on his webserver for you
[02:44:01] <ryanakca> nope, doesn't complain
[02:44:06] <lunaphyte> you can show master.cf and postconf -n, if you like.
[02:45:14] <lunaphyte> do you have any firewall processes running?
[02:45:32] <ryanakca> nope
[02:46:22] <ryanakca> http://pastebin.ca/427791
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[02:54:40] <lunaphyte> what if you do telnet 127.0.0.1 25 ?
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[02:58:08] <ryanakca> lunaphyte: nothing
[02:59:13] <lunaphyte> i guess i'd stop postfix then use a tool like nc to confirm you can pass traffic on that port.
[02:59:22] <lunaphyte> to rule that out.
[02:59:31] <lunaphyte> otherwise, your config looks fine.
[02:59:58] <lunaphyte> you might also double check that you're seeing all that postfix is logging.
[03:00:14] <ryanakca> postfix stopped:
[03:00:19] <ryanakca> localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] 25 (smtp) : Connection refused
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[03:02:37] <lunaphyte> run nc -lp 25 in one window, and do telnet localhost 25 from another.
[03:02:52] <lunaphyte> see if you can pass ascii back and forth.
[03:03:43] <lunaphyte> if you can, and postfix isn't complaining, you're either not seeing all of the logs, or something is significantly broken with it.
[03:04:06] <ryanakca> start postfix up I presume?
[03:04:44] <lunaphyte> you might check the defaults for syslog_facility and syslog_name - to ensure your distro hasn't monkeyed with the typical defaults.
[03:05:03] <lunaphyte> right, just not while nc is listening on port 25.
[03:05:09] <lunaphyte> i'm off for now.  good luck.
[03:05:37] <ryanakca> Can't grab 0.0.0.0:25 with bind
[03:05:40] <ryanakca> Thanks
[03:05:55] <ryanakca> Well, it's kolab prepackaged... hmm...
[03:05:58] <ryanakca> (not distro)
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[04:09:05] <slacker403> why does postfix need db-devel ?
[04:09:19] <slacker403> i dont want to use no db's
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[04:10:56] <FastJack> hi
[04:10:59] <slacker403> does postfix use sendmail ?
[04:15:13] <Motoko-chan> slacker403, no
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[04:15:15] <slacker403> is it worth it to compile postfix with berkelyDB ?
[04:15:26] <Motoko-chan> Although it supplies "sendmail" for apps that need it.
[04:16:26] <slacker403> well i dont need any db's
[04:16:35] <slacker403> im only gonna have a few emails
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[04:16:38] <slacker403> 10-50
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[04:18:03] <synack> hey guys i have a pretty nutty question, i am trying to use postfix to pickup the firewall logs of a zyXEl zyWALL 10w firewall. from the machine running postfix i can telnet to port 25 and send mail ok, but i cant seem to get the firewall to send the logs out to the machine.
[04:18:39] <synack> question is, what should i check, and is there a way to just send the logs out through some kind of relay and remove my need for a local postfix server?
[04:19:04] <synack> i realize its a bit complex so ask any questions if you need me to explain details.
[04:19:37] <synack> im really stumped, so if anybody has any thoughts id really appreicate it.
[04:21:08] <rob0> You need to point your zywall at a nameserver which tells it to use your Postfix machine for @whatever.domain.you.used for sending logs to.
[04:21:20] <rob0> IOW, you need to learn DNS administration.
[04:21:57] <rob0> Will the zywall use remote syslog? That might be easier, if so.
[04:22:22] <rob0> Dnsmasq is a pretty simple way to get into DNS.
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[04:25:37] <synack> hmm
[04:25:51] <synack> rob0
[04:26:03] <synack> is there any way to just get the email logs out to an address?
[04:26:18] <synack> and how can a nameserver tell it to use a postfix machine?
[04:26:28] <FastJack> mhh, I don't quite get it. I want postfix to receive mails for foo at bar dot com and then deliver it to a cyrus mailbox named foo at bar dot com. but postfix tries to deliver to a mailbox named "foo" and then fails because there is no such mailbox. can I somehow tell postfix not to discard the domain?
[04:26:31] <synack> there is no login or password info built into the zywall config
[04:27:28] <synack> also, whats IOW?
[04:27:46] <rob0> IOW: in other words
[04:28:03] <synack> cool, well, okay - there is a local nameserver, its the same machine running postfix
[04:28:26] <synack> i tried entering the ip in ... let me screen shot the firewall options so you understand what the zywall wants
[04:28:29] <synack> its pretty odd
[04:31:03] <synack> http://suspicious.org/~synack/ZyWall.JPG
[04:31:39] <synack> have a look if you have a minute rob0 , id rather not even have to setup syslog locally, isnt there a way to just send this out to a prexisting email on the outside?
[04:31:55] <synack> Can I use a relay from my ISP?
[04:32:19] <synack> or a public relay? I dont know it seems silly to need a dedicated server just to get my log alerts as email.
[04:37:28] <synack> rob0 are you still there?
[04:41:01] <rob0> You need to understand how mail works. It uses DNS (MX, A records) to decide where to deliver @example.com addresses. If you use an @gmail.com address, it will work fine.
[04:41:23] <rob0> (maybe)
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[04:46:06] <synack> rob0 i tried with a gmail
[04:46:29] <synack> where it says server i put in smtp.gmail.com ( i use this to get gmail via OE )
[04:46:35] <synack> and i put my address
[04:46:52] <synack> but the mail never came through, see there is no option for a username or password
[04:47:02] <synack> so gmail wont just act like an anonymous relay
[04:47:08] <rob0> ah now I see
[04:47:28] <synack> so i just dont get how this is supposed to work with no username/password field
[04:47:35] <synack> ive been reading for a bit on google, etc
[04:47:52] <rob0> and you're on a dynamic IP so most sites would block you
[04:47:53] <synack> i cant find the original docs on logging, the page is down
[04:48:06] <synack> no its not a dynamic IP
[04:48:18] <synack> its static at least.
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[04:48:46] <synack> even so, how can i be allowed to send mail, is that a service i can buy?
[04:48:58] <synack> and assign to my IP/IP block
[04:49:24] <synack> im utterly confused, and i have a decent understanding of email protocols, etc
[04:49:39] <rob0> http://suspicious.org/~synack/ZyWall.JPG "Outgoing server name OR IP ADDRESS" ... what's the problem?
[04:50:45] <synack> well rob0 , i can put in anything i want there
[04:50:48] <synack> and it doesnt work ...
[04:51:12] <synack> if i use an IP , its the same issue, lets say i use the ip that is associated with stmp.gmail.com
[04:51:32] <synack> thats 209.85.133.109
[04:51:35] <synack> it still fails
[04:52:00] <synack> you just cannot sent mail using a server with no password anymore, or spammers woudl abuse the &&## out of the server
[04:52:13] <synack> so then same problem persists, if you follow me.
[04:54:48] <rob0> I thought you were here setting up Postfix? Put in the Postfix IP ...
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[04:55:33] <synack> i did, no luck
[04:57:09] <synack> is there a server i can use out there?
[04:57:26] <synack> even if somebody lets me use theirs for a second
[04:57:31] <synack> just to test this
[04:57:41] <synack> i have no idea if the device can even send the log
[04:57:55] <synack> or if that feature is broken
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[05:01:07] <rob0> "No luck" is not a very detailed problem description.
[05:02:02] <rob0> You can use a traffic sniffer to see if it's trying to send, just impose another router between it and the 'Net.
[05:03:12] <synack> well rob0
[05:03:17] <synack> im remote, so i cant ...
[05:03:29] <synack> if i could use another server, that would take me somewhere
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[05:28:55] <lunaphyte> synack: why not use the mail server provided by the isp?
[05:37:27] <synack> lunaphyte i would love to, how can i find out if they provide it?
[05:37:35] <synack> the system is on verizon
[05:37:42] <Badunkadunk> Ask supprot
[05:38:00] <synack> is that usually something they will provide at an ISP?
[05:38:11] <Badunkadunk> frequently
[05:38:25] <Badunkadunk> telnet yourgateway.com 25
[05:38:26] <synack> seems like the best solution
[05:38:52] <Badunkadunk> telnet mail.verizon.net 25
[05:39:03] <Badunkadunk> look around
[05:41:58] <synack> i cannot connect on port 25 on the gateway
[05:42:14] <synack> look around? im going to call the ISP asap
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[05:46:43] <lunaphyte> synack: dsl or leased line?
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[05:58:06] <lunaphyte> synack: you might try outgoing.verizon.net or smtp.verizonemail.net
[06:01:47] <djs_2_6> Hey all - is this a good setup guide - http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/mail/
[06:01:49] <djs_2_6> ??
[06:03:27] <lunaphyte> follow it and let us know.
[06:03:58] <djs_2_6> Well, I just want to make sure it will not mess me up - hate to reinstall...
[06:04:12] <lunaphyte> feh.
[06:04:19] <lunaphyte> reinstalling is for windows admins.
[06:04:33] <lunaphyte> just undo whatever you did to break it.  :)
[06:04:39] <djs_2_6> Sadly, that is my more dominant knowledge base...
[06:05:08] <lunaphyte> no time like the present for a change...
[06:05:12] <daqqa1> anyone got compiz?
[06:06:20] <djs_2_6> lunaphyte - exactly.  Beeb on xBSD on and off over the years, but been much more into it for the last couple of years.  I do one thing at a time, and make sure it is right then move on.
[06:06:27] <djs_2_6> s/beeb/been
[06:06:38] <lunaphyte> you'll be fine then.
[06:07:21] <djs_2_6> So, if the guide is bad, then just retrace and clean it all out?
[06:08:07] <lunaphyte> there are really only 2 core files.  keep the dist versions of them somewhere to revert to.
[06:08:26] <djs_2_6> Ok
[06:08:42] <lunaphyte> config files, that is.
[06:10:34] <djs_2_6> I figured
[06:13:13] <djs_2_6> main.cf and master.cf?
[06:13:17] <Badunkadunk> WHy don't you solve my problem
[06:13:38] <Badunkadunk> lunaphyte: Ever run a mail2news server?
[06:16:19] <Badunkadunk> lunaphyte: Do you know how to log actual SMTP connections?
[06:16:30] <lunaphyte> i gotta say, at least you don't give up easily.
[06:16:42] <lunaphyte> no, i haven't.
[06:16:43] <Badunkadunk> :-D
[06:16:50] <lunaphyte> increase the verbosity.
[06:16:59] <Badunkadunk> I do that
[06:17:03] <lunaphyte> err, -vvvvvvv
[06:17:04] <Badunkadunk> not good enough
[06:17:06] <lunaphyte> howevermany...
[06:17:29] <Badunkadunk> SHit, I'm just gonna use tcpdump
[06:17:34] <lunaphyte> postfix is pretty good about logging until you're blue in the face if you ask it to.
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[06:18:03] <daqqa1> in master.cf use -v flag after smtpd
[06:18:03] <lunaphyte> i imagine you've read this? http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html
[06:18:49] <Badunkadunk> probably, but I will check it out again
[06:19:12] <morgWork> hey guys, I'm running into some problems re-implementing postfix. I have 2.2.x working on gentoo, and I'm replacing it with an ubuntu machine running 2.3.3.  For some reason the virtual_maps don't seem to be working
[06:19:53] <ek> morgWork: Have you run postmap on it already?
[06:19:59] <morgWork> one thing I've noticed is vim isn't color highlighting virtual_maps= like it does everything else, so I'm wondering if this was changed/removed
[06:20:00] <Badunkadunk> yeah, it says use tcpdump
[06:20:01] <morgWork> ek: yup
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[06:32:08] <synack_> sorry i lost my connection
[06:32:19] <morgWork> ek: it says unknown user in virtual aliases table
[06:32:23] <synack_> to answer the questions, its a DSL line
[06:32:40] <morgWork>  to=<morgajel at morgajel dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.26, delays=0.07/0.07/0/0.11, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)
[06:32:53] <synack_> ill try outgoing.verizon.net and smtp.verizon.net
[06:32:54] <ek> morgWork: What about virtual_alias_maps?
[06:33:22] <morgWork> aaah, there we go
[06:33:29] <morgWork> syntax highlighing liked that
[06:33:40] <djs_2_6> Ok, am in the main.cf right now.  For proxy_interfaces, I am behind an OBSD 4.0 pf.  The server that will do the postfix is on the lan behind the pf.
[06:34:01] <djs_2_6> For this option, I need to have my pf server's ip address there?
[06:34:32] <synack_> lunaphyte, thats not working either
[06:34:52] <ek> djs_2_6: If you're using a proxy, yes. Otherwise, no.
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[06:35:41] <djs_2_6> Ok, so then, comment the line out, or leave the answer field blank?
[06:35:53] <slacker403> is it good to use postfix wth BerkDB ???????
[06:36:02] <ek> djs_2_6: Yep.
[06:36:08] <ek> slacker403: Sure.
[06:36:13] <ek> Nothing wrong with it.
[06:37:42] <Badunkadunk> slacker403: You know what?  That would be great!
[06:38:53] <morgWork> good enough- thanks ek
[06:39:04] <synack_> I got outgoing.verizon.net to access on port 25
[06:39:13] <synack_> but it says AUTHENTICATION REQUIRED :(
[06:39:27] <ek> morgWork: Welcome.
[06:39:28] <Badunkadunk> Yeah, you have to AUTH
[06:39:29] <synack_> the firwall has NO OPTIONS FOR AUTHENTICATION , im losing my mind
[06:39:54] <synack_> AUTH
[06:39:57] <synack_> 504 5.5.4 Unrecognized authentication type (Mechanism not available).
[06:39:58] <ek> synack_: Just setup your auth file.
[06:40:05] <Badunkadunk> postfix has caused my mind to be lost long ago
[06:40:18] <synack_> well my situation is crazy ek
[06:40:31] <synack_> im trying to get a firewall to use a relay to send logs
[06:40:57] <ek> synack_: Ah. Okay. I see.
[06:41:02] <synack_> i tried a local postfix solution but it did not work, all i relly want are the logs to send out, many people recommended i use the ISP's server
[06:41:34] <ek> synack_: What about sending to port 465 as opposed to 25?
[06:41:36] <synack_> http://suspicious.org/~synack/ZyWall.JPG for a look at the ONLy settings i can enter
[06:41:39] <synack_> which is NUTS
[06:41:47] <morgWork> later guys
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[06:42:16] <synack_> ek, its not an option in my firewall log sending feature
[06:42:23] <ek> Right. I see what you mean.
[06:42:27] <ek> What a bummer.
[06:42:28] <synack_> and the zywall 10w is out of commission
[06:42:42] <synack_> so how the heck is somebody supposed to work with this
[06:42:48] <synack_> i must be missing something ?
[06:42:53] <ek> Yeah. That's kind of bogus.
[06:43:00] <ek> Maybe. But, it sure doesn't look like it.
[06:43:03] <synack_> Yea, its not longer supported.
[06:43:11] <ek> I think maybe it just defaults to sending mail out to port 25.
[06:43:16] <ek> ... Which you say is blocked, correct?
[06:43:17] <synack_> Well its got a field for a mail server
[06:43:24] <synack_> but not auth stuff ...
[06:43:33] <synack_> no its not blocked.
[06:43:40] <synack_> i just dont have a server i can use.
[06:43:42] <ek> synack_: Try outgoing.verizon.net:465
[06:43:49] <ek> See if that will change the port it goes out on.
[06:43:55] <synack_> okay
[06:44:15] <ek> Oh. Wait... You're trying to send these emails to where?
[06:44:40] <synack_> to a gmail.com address
[06:44:53] <synack_> could it be that, will it only work with a verzion address?
[06:45:26] <synack_> i figured, if i can access the server
[06:45:27] <ek> Hrm.
[06:45:33] <synack_> i *SHOULD* be able to send email anywhere
[06:45:40] <synack_> like an old SMTP relay would allow
[06:45:41] <ek> What happens if you just use localhost or 127.0.0.1 as the smtp server address?
[06:45:47] <synack_> before spam became so huge.
[06:45:49] <ek> I would imagine it would be able to send the mail itself.
[06:46:02] <synack_> ill try it?
[06:46:17] <ek> synack_: Agreed. It should be able to just send the mail from itself to any relay accepting mail for that user.
[06:46:29] <synack_> thats actually a real smart idea
[06:46:36] <synack_> i mean any box can send email out
[06:46:48] <synack_> but maybe it has no utility to do such
[06:46:52] <synack_> hence this crappy setup
[06:46:55] <synack_> im trying that
[06:47:02] <slacker403> how should i use postfix with files or DB .......i will have prolly 10-50 emails
[06:47:22] <ek> Yeah. That's true.
[06:47:40] <ek> slacker403: Virtual users or local users?
[06:47:49] <synack_> well i tried localhost and i tried the other port
[06:48:02] <synack_> i didnt get any emails after hitting "send log now"
[06:48:03] <synack_> :(
[06:48:19] <Badunkadunk> I still can't understand what virtual users are after reading the docs
[06:49:09] <ek> Badunkadunk: Users that don't exist on the system.
[06:49:13] <synack_> There just has to be a way to get this dumb FW to mail out logs LOL
[06:49:20] <ek> You just accept mail and house it for non-real accounts?
[06:49:31] <ek> synack_: I would think so, yes.
[06:49:35] <ek> But, the options are pretty limited.
[06:49:39] <ek> Shitty.
[06:50:08] <Badunkadunk> ek: Well I don't understand why you wouldn't just use adduser
[06:50:24] <Badunkadunk> and add a real user with no shell account
[06:50:25] <ek> Badunkadunk: Well, it depends on the system.
[06:50:45] <ek> Well, say you have 10's of thousands of email accounts you're hosting...
[06:50:53] <ek> It would get a bit rough keeping up with that.
[06:51:12] <ek> Plus, virtual setups make certain things a bit easier. Like changing passwords and such.
[06:51:27] <ek> I don't necessarily enjoy the idea of poppassd.
[06:51:44] <Badunkadunk> what's the deal with recipient maps
[06:52:28] <ek> What do you mean?
[06:52:43] <Badunkadunk> what is their function
[06:52:57] <synack_> ek - any other ideas?
[06:53:23] <synack_> how can a device not know how to email logs by itself
[06:53:25] <synack_> my god.
[06:53:45] <ek> synack_: Lol. I'm actually all out of ideas I think. There really doesn't seem to be much to it.
[06:53:49] <ek> Not sure what the deal is.
[06:54:06] <ek> Is that GUI the only access to adjusting that FW that is available?
[06:54:55] <rob0> synack_: AGAIN. Point the firewall at your Postfix IP. From there on it's simple stuff covered in ...
[06:54:58] <rob0> !basic
[06:54:58] <knoba> rob0: 'basic' : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[06:55:14] <Badunkadunk> hi rob0
[06:55:19] <Badunkadunk> guess what?
[06:55:44] <rob0> Badunkadunk gave up? :)
[06:55:56] <Badunkadunk> never!
[06:56:00] <rob0> Badunkadunk went mad? :)
[06:56:12] <Badunkadunk> yep!
[06:56:15] <rob0> good
[06:57:03] <rob0> Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
[06:57:07] <Badunkadunk> THis morning I built a model of the eiffel tower out of belgian waffles
[06:57:27] <Badunkadunk> and syrup
[06:57:34] <synack_> rob0, i did point it at that internal IP
[06:57:35] <rob0> Belgian!! What a slap in the face to the Parisians!
[06:58:09] <synack_> nothing happens, i even just setup a windows based SMTP server, and it was listening on port 25 and i pointed the firwall at THAT and i see nothing in its logs of any attempt
[06:58:20] <synack_> maybe the loggin feature is just entirely broken
[06:58:31] <synack_> and the firewall cannot even send its log at all
[06:58:39] <Badunkadunk> rob0: THe only thing that helps is header_checks
[06:58:49] <synack_> I have no idea what to think anymore
[06:58:53] <Badunkadunk> Which is a total kludge
[06:59:08] <rob0> Are these SMTP servers on the same subnet as the firewall? or are they remote?
[06:59:15] <Badunkadunk> synack_: How long have you been working on it?
[07:02:31] <Badunkadunk> rob0: What in general is a recipient map
[07:03:04] <ek> Badunkadunk: man 5 postconf
[07:03:16] <ek> Its in there somewhere.
[07:03:20] <ek> It's a checker for local users.
[07:03:38] <rob0> A list of all valid recipients in a particular address class. For local, it's only the user, for all other classes it's user@domain .
[07:04:34] <rob0> local_recipient_maps, relay_recipient_maps, virtual_alias_maps, and virtual_mailbox_maps
[07:07:02] <Badunkadunk> So then it's really a list, not a mapping
[07:07:05] <synack_> Badunkadunk  - over 7 hours
[07:07:22] <rob0> synack_: anyway, if the SMTP is remote it's highly likely that the ISP on the zywall end is blocking outbound SMTP.
[07:07:25] <Badunkadunk> synack_: I've been working on my problem for over a week
[07:07:33] <synack_> Badunkadunk  - it happens
[07:07:47] <synack_> I had read up on the situation for 4 days before seeing it in person
[07:07:51] <synack_> and im still stumped
[07:08:02] <Badunkadunk> And have pissed off everyone here
[07:08:14] <synack_> rob0 , that is a valid thought
[07:08:28] <synack_> but how could an ISP block outgoing mail like that?
[07:08:33] <synack_> don't people need it?
[07:08:42] <rob0> synack_: Most of them do these days.
[07:09:03] <synack_> so i cannot do a cat v.txt  | mail somewhere.com
[07:09:06] <synack_> on most ISPs?
[07:09:13] <Badunkadunk> synack_: YOu just have to use *their* SMTP server
[07:09:26] <rob0> Depends on what the mail(1) app does.
[07:09:32] <Badunkadunk> In fact, synack_I'm almost certain verizon does have that policy
[07:09:40] <synack_> I wish I knew which one to use Badunkadunk , ill need to check on that with verizon i guess
[07:10:06] <synack_> Anyone know which server verizon uses to allow internal relays from people ON its network?
[07:10:16] <rob0> The thing is, if you relay through an ISP you'll end up being rejected for some stupid reason and never know why.
[07:10:21] <synack_> i tried outgoing.verizon.net
[07:10:50] <synack_> I blam spam for the uselessness of email.
[07:10:52] <rob0> I bet that thing will use a nonexistent sender address. Most relays and MX's will reject that.
[07:10:53] <ek> I don't like the ISP relay idea...
[07:10:54] <Badunkadunk> rob0: so since local_recipient_maps is a list, not a map, don't you think that's a little confusing?
[07:11:11] <Badunkadunk> synack_: Try smtp.verizon.net
[07:11:15] <ek> rob0: You know if Verizon blocks outgoing on 465 also?
[07:11:19] <synack_> Badunkadunk - I did
[07:11:24] <synack_> that did not work
[07:11:42] <Badunkadunk> have you successfully connected to anything on port 25
[07:11:45] <ek> Badunkadunk: What Postfix problem are you having?
[07:11:50] <Badunkadunk> you were talking b4 like you had
[07:12:00] <rob0> Confusing? Hmmm, _maps is the generic Postfix term for it, so when you're familiar with Postfix, no, it's not really.
[07:12:08] <Badunkadunk> ek: I'm trying to use it to run a mail2news gateway
[07:12:11] <synack_> ek - i tried that :465 syntax
[07:12:18] <synack_> but that didnt get my logs out either
[07:12:44] <rob0> ek, probably not, but the firewall JPG didn't look like it supported SMTPS or alternate ports.
[07:13:12] <Badunkadunk> ek: And my requirement is that the newsgroup be sent in the To: field
[07:13:27] <Badunkadunk> I've come up with 2 solutions
[07:13:34] <ek> rob0: Yeah. I saw that... Pretty rough.
[07:13:44] <ek> Badunkadunk: Ah. Hrm.
[07:13:50] <ek> Never played with mail2news before.
[07:14:11] <Badunkadunk> ek: 1) using header_checks to turn To: m2n+<newsgroup> at mydomain dot com into Newsgroups: <newsgroup>
[07:15:03] <Badunkadunk> ek: 2) using a transport_map to execute a script upon seeing <newsgroup> at m2n dot mydomain.com
[07:15:42] <djs_2_6> Am in my setup of postfix still.  On last command, /usr/local/sbin/postfix-enable produces an error, can't find /etc/mailer.conf.postfix, postfix not enabled.
[07:15:55] <synack_> I am prepared to offer 100000 internets to the man with a solution here :P
[07:16:05] <Badunkadunk> 2) is okay I guess but 1) is a total kludge
[07:16:16] <ek> Badunkadunk: Yeah. I would imagine.
[07:16:35] * Badunkadunk offers synack_a slap to the back of the head
[07:16:36] <rob0> synack_: put a SMTP server at the same site as the firewall.
[07:17:13] <ek> djs_2_6: mailer.conf.postfix? What system are you using?
[07:17:28] <djs_2_6> OBSD4.0
[07:17:33] <synack_> rob0 , i did
[07:17:41] <synack_> i tried two
[07:17:50] <Badunkadunk> ek: but lmtp2nntp can't seem to handle shit even if you give it a perfect SMTP message
[07:17:59] <synack_> postfix on ubuntu and a crappy little smtp server on a windows machine
[07:18:10] <synack_> when i point the firewall at the internal IPS of either
[07:18:14] <synack_> it still fails.
[07:18:15] <Badunkadunk> and god only knows what this perl script I got does
[07:18:32] <rob0> s/god/Larry Wall/
[07:18:36] <synack_> I never even see an attempt on the Ips in the logs
[07:18:53] <synack_> maybe ZyWall is just a codename for AIDS
[07:18:57] <ek> Badunkadunk: What script?
[07:19:16] <Badunkadunk> It's called multipost
[07:19:17] <ek> synack_: Haha.
[07:19:53] <rob0> So scrap the zywall and put in your own Unix-based router.
[07:20:18] * rob0 tries to avoid off-the-shelf routers
[07:20:28] <synack_> haha I would rob0 but its not my site
[07:20:39] <synack_> and *they* have 4 of these all over the place
[07:20:55] <rob0> Tell the site owner it ain't happ'nin'.
[07:21:07] <synack_> diff states , and they need the logs sent out to comply with the new SANS standards for PCI auth.
[07:21:20] <rob0> They need to spend some bux.
[07:21:29] <ek> They need to do something... That's for sure.
[07:21:38] <djs_2_6> ek, any ideas?
[07:21:41] <ek> rob0: I agree. No store-buys for me either.
[07:21:48] <synack_> Yea, I kinda did in so many words, but I feel bad if I cannot do what I set out to do.
[07:22:01] <synack_> I figured it would be a simple one, but nope.
[07:22:31] <ek> djs_2_6: Well, I'm not sure if Postfix looks for /etc/mailer.conf.postfix by default or not when using Ubunu.. But, I would think /etc/mailer.conf would be a more reasonable file to look for.
[07:22:40] <synack_> I wish he used OpenBSD with IPF
[07:23:14] <ek> synack_: It would be a simple one if the firewall had the proper software on it. =/
[07:23:15] <rob0> /usr/local/sbin/postfix-enable is not a Postfix command, it's specific to the OS.
[07:23:28] <Badunkadunk> rob0: Are you willing to buy off-the-shelf switches?
[07:23:29] <synack_> ek, true, its a POS
[07:23:46] <rob0> So the question would more appropriately be addressed in a place like #openbsd .
[07:23:55] <Badunkadunk> rob0: Access points?
[07:23:58] <synack_> rob0 :)
[07:24:15] <ek> rob0: I buy those.
[07:24:20] <ek> Erm.. Badunkadunk*
[07:24:36] <Badunkadunk> rob0: Vibrators
[07:24:43] <rob0> I prefer to set up my own AP using a wireless NIC and hostapd.
[07:24:56] <rob0> I use a cell phone for that.
[07:26:00] <rob0> Someone call me, I need some good vibrations.
[07:26:07] <synack_> want to see something creepy
[07:26:08] <Badunkadunk> number?
[07:26:09] <synack_> http://us.zyxel.com/support/productSupport.php?supportpath=zywall10w_30w
[07:26:26] <synack_> the only link that does not work there is the one pertaining to logging
[07:26:37] <synack_> and the firewall is no longer supported.
[07:26:56] <synack_> maybe they never had a working logging system so they took that page down.
[07:27:23] <Badunkadunk> try updating the firmware
[07:27:25] <rob0> hey, it does ipsec, just set up a tunnel and route SMTP therethrough.
[07:27:32] <rob0> last update 2004 :)
[07:27:33] <synack_> Badunkadunk  - its has the latest
[07:27:51] <synack_> That was the first thing that came to mind, that maybe a later version had more options
[07:28:31] <ek> synack_: You could always use syslogd.
[07:28:32] <Badunkadunk> Try saying romantic nurturing things to it
[07:28:37] <ek> Seems to have support for that..
[07:28:54] <synack_> also if i send a mail from the command line of a machine there, it WILL go out to my gmail
[07:28:55] <ek> I was going to recommend that earlier but I found out it wasn't a standard router.
[07:29:07] <synack_> if i telnet to port 25 on the unix server and send that way
[07:29:16] <synack_> using ehlo, mail from : , etc
[07:29:17] <Badunkadunk> synack_: Try baptizing it
[07:29:45] <synack_> ek, client wants to use email because syslogd cannot "alert" him realtime, so he says
[07:30:06] <synack_> Badunkadunk - can I use a baseball bat?
[07:30:08] <synack_> ;)
[07:30:09] <ek> Well, he'll just have to check the logs.
[07:30:22] <ek> The router is either broken or too much of a P.O.S. to email.
[07:30:27] <ek> Tell him that and see what he thinks.
[07:30:46] <ek> Sometimes, there's just nothing anyone can do... I've been there before.
[07:30:57] <Badunkadunk> Take it to bed with you this evening
[07:31:04] <synack_> Yea, it sucks though, no client ever really believes you
[07:31:22] <synack_> Even if they do, they gotta wonder, is he just full of shit
[07:31:25] <synack_> haha
[07:31:48] <synack_> Maybe i just sat at home eating chessy poofs and logged 7 hours
[07:32:35] * rob0 is off to bed with my trusty cell phone
[07:33:07] <ek> rob0: G'night, man.
[07:33:08] <synack_> id hate it if somebody else figures it out
[07:33:16] <ek> synack_: Yeah. They usually think you're full of shit.
[07:33:27] <ek> However, tell them if they want to find someone else to try it to go for it.
[07:33:40] <ek> I'm nearly 100% certain that no one else will be able to get that to work..
[07:33:41] <synack_> i live for the moments when things all work and people praise you like a god.
[07:33:48] <synack_> i guess it all balances out
[07:33:49] <ek> It's not a very cooperative bunch of options...
[07:33:56] <ek> Haha.
[07:34:30] <synack_> you know what i mean? genius is used and whiz and hero, people have a pretty psychotic relationship to their computers.
[07:34:53] <Badunkadunk> ek: You know the format for header_checks?
[07:35:02] <Badunkadunk> rob0: same question
[07:35:33] <ek> Badunkadunk: Probably not enough to be very helpful, unfortunately.
[07:35:34] <synack_> ok i give, time for bed. Thanks a bunch ek, Badunkadunk , rob0.
[07:35:47] <ek> synack_: Sure thing. Sorry it didn't work out.
[07:35:52] <synack_> lunaphyte too ...
[07:35:54] <ek> Good luck telling the clients about it. Lol.
[07:36:14] <synack_> ahaha yea, that will be my last invoice perhaps LOL
[07:36:27] <Badunkadunk> ek: Well bascially it lets you match a line of the email message and do stuff with or to the message
[07:36:48] <Badunkadunk> is there any other situation where you can do that?
[07:36:55] <ek> synack_: Hope not.
[07:37:21] <ek> Badunkadunk: Like a filter of some type?
[07:37:28] <Badunkadunk> yeah
[07:37:44] <Badunkadunk> also, can you transport stuff to a pipe
[07:37:45] <ek> Hrm. I'm not sure to be honest. I would imagine so though.
[07:37:53] <ek> Badunkadunk: Yes.
[07:38:49] <ek> I'm not an extreme Postfix guru or anything.
[07:38:58] <ek> I've just been playing with it for a long time.
[07:39:01] <Badunkadunk> And when you do, does that give the message to the script on STDIN
[07:39:11] <Badunkadunk> And expect it back on STDOUT
[07:39:22] <ek> Badunkadunk: I would imagine so.
[07:39:29] <ek> I don't see why it wouldn't.
[07:39:34] <Badunkadunk> Or does it expect the script to completely handle it
[07:39:58] <ek> Well, hrm... Good question. I thought you were just talking about the pipe.
[07:40:03] <Badunkadunk> Those are two entirely different expectations
[07:40:08] <ek> Yes. They are.
[07:40:19] <ek> I would actually say it probably expects the script to take care of it.
[07:40:40] <Badunkadunk> Too bad rob0 is a lazy perverted bastard
[07:40:56] <Badunkadunk> him and his damn cell phone
[07:41:13] <ek> Hah!
[07:41:22] <ek> Yeah. rob0 knows quite a bit about Postfix.
[07:41:28] <ek> Much more than I do.
[07:43:07] <Badunkadunk> Is an alias map just a list too?
[07:44:59] <ek> Yep.
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[07:46:11] <Badunkadunk> Well I'm starting to be convinced that my solutions are the only solutions
[07:46:22] <Badunkadunk> I like #2 best
[07:47:23] <Badunkadunk> But for example
[07:47:42] <Badunkadunk> ek: lmtp2nntp doesn't like how SMTP sends it's RCPT TO:
[07:48:07] <ek> Rejected?
[07:48:21] <Badunkadunk> It sends RCPT TO:<name at domain dot com> ORCPT rfc822,name at domain dot com
[07:48:42] <Badunkadunk> lmtp2nntp just wants RCPT TO: <name at domain dot com> I think
[07:49:07] <Badunkadunk> And header_check can't touch that part
[07:49:07] <ek> Ah.
[07:49:12] <ek> Right...
[07:49:27] <ek> Hrm. That is a predicament.
[07:49:40] <Badunkadunk> Now lmtp2nntp can also handle the Newsgroups header
[07:50:15] <Badunkadunk> So when I see m2n+newsgroup, I use header_checks to prepend a newsgroups header
[07:50:28] <Badunkadunk> But then I get a permission denied error.
[07:50:53] <Badunkadunk> Which is good in that lmtp2nntp seems to accept the message
[07:51:05] <Badunkadunk> but bad in that it still doesn't work
[07:51:18] <Badunkadunk> and worse, I don't know how to do any better
[07:52:23] <Badunkadunk> But rob0 just tells me to read ADDRESS_CLASS README
[07:52:34] <Badunkadunk> >(
[07:52:48] <Badunkadunk> >-(
[07:52:53] <Badunkadunk> >:o
[07:53:03] <Badunkadunk> Because he hates me
[07:53:06] <ek> Lol.
[07:53:11] <ek> Permission denied?
[07:53:16] <ek> What's denied about it?
[07:53:19] <Badunkadunk> yeah
[07:53:32] <Badunkadunk> I believe it's from the NNTP server
[07:53:47] <ek> Hrm.
[07:53:50] <Badunkadunk> But I can post to it from my news client
[07:55:02] <ek> That's a bit odd.
[07:55:07] <ek> It's an auth error?
[07:56:37] <Badunkadunk> let me get the message 4 you
[07:57:24] <Badunkadunk> 502 permission denied
[08:00:01] <ek> Hrm. The NNTP server is running Postfix?
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[08:00:20] <Badunkadunk> I have no idea what the NNTP server is running
[08:00:45] <Badunkadunk> It's not mine
[08:00:50] <ek> Ah.
[08:00:59] <Badunkadunk> Another requirement of mine
[08:02:04] <ek> I wonder what the deal is with that?
[08:02:14] <ek> Maybe a news client doesn't send out the same headers...?
[08:02:33] <ek> A 502 usually means there's something issued that either isn't allowed or isn't functioning properly...
[08:03:09] <Badunkadunk> If I use the IHAVE method, it says permission denied
[08:03:49] <Badunkadunk> If I use the post method, it says I have duplicate newsgroup headers even though I don't.  I know because I'm looking at the tcpdump data
[08:05:14] <Badunkadunk> I get the impression that lmtp2nntp is meant for use for local nntp servers
[08:05:34] <Badunkadunk> Which is common amongst all scripts
[08:05:49] <Badunkadunk> That's why it would be lmtp2nntp and not smtp2nntp
[08:07:01] <Badunkadunk> ek: Still there?
[08:14:32] <ek> Yeah. Sorry.
[08:14:35] <ek> Was reading some stuff.
[08:15:14] <ek> Interesting...
[08:15:24] <ek> I haven't got the slightest clue as to what the problem would be.
[08:15:36] <Badunkadunk> Neither does rob0
[08:15:38] <ek> If the headers are goofed (Not sure what NNTP servers expect) I suppose that could do it.
[08:15:43] <ek> Yeah. Odd.
[08:16:08] <Badunkadunk> I have 0wn3d rob0
[08:16:13] <ek> Wow. Amazing how time flies when I'm pissing off on the computer...
[08:16:16] <ek> Haha.
[08:17:15] <Badunkadunk> so since I can't make any more progress on that, I figured I'd start touching myself
[08:17:32] <Badunkadunk> It seems to work for rob0
[08:17:53] <ek> Lol.
[08:18:00] <ek> I suppose that's one thing you can do.
[08:19:40] <Badunkadunk> so new i can olny us on hnd
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[08:39:21] <ek> Lol.
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[09:35:55] <wahjava> hi channel
[09:37:13] <wahjava> Is there anyway to prevent information like "from userid 500" in Received header from going outside ??
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[09:38:34] <wahjava> hi channel
[09:38:46] <wahjava> Is there anyway to prevent information like "from userid 500" in Received header from going outside ??
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[10:07:57] <wedge> wahjava: yeah, you lock the door!
[10:08:02] <wedge> problem solved
[10:08:19] <wahjava> wedge: hmm...
[10:11:43] <wedge> :) I wasnt serious
[10:12:30] <wahjava> okau
[10:12:34] <wahjava> s/au/ay/
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[13:39:29] <d1ce> hi. how do you define a group email address in postfix? I need to redirect mail@ to about 5 users...
[13:40:14] <d1ce> the mail server will only handle mail for about 6 users, so i've defined them in /etc/passwd..
[13:40:57] <plee> you can make an alias
[13:41:11] <d1ce> does the mail@ have to be defined as a local user/group?
[13:41:42] <plee> no.
[13:41:44] <d1ce> ok, so in /usr/local/etc/postfix/aliases add mail: user1, user2, user3 ?
[13:42:02] <plee> if i remember correctly yes
[13:42:09] <d1ce> and then run newaliases
[13:42:14] <plee> yeah
[13:42:32] <plee> but to be sure, i would be good to read up on it :)
[13:42:40] <d1ce> i'm trying to now :)
[13:42:54] <plee> good :)
[13:43:19] <d1ce> my setup seems to exist between the lines of most documentation...so i have to interpolate one example with another example and hope I don't invalidate either one
[13:44:09] <plee> know the feeling.
[13:44:25] <d1ce> 550 5.1.1 <mail at domain dot com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[13:44:30] <d1ce> this is what I get...what did I miss :\
[13:44:42] <plee> I have the problem that i have to test my server.. but cant take it online to test it.. hehe
[13:44:42] <d1ce> added the aliases, did newaliases
[13:44:47] <plee> hmm..
[13:45:01] <d1ce> thanks for taking the time to answer btw - appreciate it
[13:46:12] <plee> no problem :)
[13:46:53] <d1ce> perhaps my relay_recipients needs some attention
[13:47:39] <d1ce> hmmm, perhaps local_recipient_maps
[13:48:24] <plee> that could be.. i'm trying to read up on alias too :)
[13:48:38] <d1ce> local_recipient_maps : "If this parameter is defined, then the SMTP server will reject mail for unknown local users. This parameter is defined by default."
[13:48:48] <d1ce> so what defines a "local" user, does that exclude aliases?
[13:48:55] <d1ce> lol
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[13:49:45] <plee> it can be that i handles the user mail@ as a system user.. and when not finding it... it gives the eror..
[13:50:25] <plee> this is what i don't like... trying to figure out stuff that i'm not 100% on knowing
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[13:50:41] <plee> btw.. sorry for my bad english.. hehe
[13:51:09] <d1ce> no probs - if I can work out what postfix is trying to tell me, you're no problem ;)
[13:51:27] <plee> hehe
[13:52:36] <d1ce> wonder if it'd just be quicker here to add mail as a local user - not ideal, but (as usual), I don't have a huge amount of time on my hands...
[13:52:45] <d1ce> let's try that and see
[13:53:17] <plee> :9
[13:53:19] <plee> :)
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[14:20:20] <d1ce> that was an exercise in futility :/
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[14:21:57] <plee> maybe some of the guys that know postfix better then me.. could answer
[14:22:19] <d1ce> see if the mailing list can help me out
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[14:55:22] <ice> hi i have postfix V 2.3.3, can i use quota for virtual mailboxes, without a patch? and where is a good how-to for mailbox quota?
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[15:09:27] <Dominian> anyone in here use an SPF policy server?
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[15:45:29] <henriknj> ice, you could use maildrop
[15:54:24] <FastJack> mhh, I'm using cyrus with virtual domains. the mailboxes have names like: user at host dot com. for this I had to change the definition of the cyrus delivery agent to look like this:
[15:54:29] <FastJack> cyrus     unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[15:54:29] <FastJack>   flags=R user=cyrus argv=/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver -r ${sender} -m ${extension} ${recipient}
[15:55:01] <FastJack> note the recipient instead of the usual ${user}. is there any downside to this? or is there a cleaner way?
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[17:10:26] <mcphail> Where do I supply authentication credentials for an smtp "relayhost" in main.cf?
[17:14:43] <mcphail> My ISP's smtp server requires authentication...
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[17:20:44] <flami> add in the main.cf : smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes  , then make a file e.g saslpasswords add in there mail.yourISP.com     name:password then run postmap hash on it  then in the main.cf smtp_sasl_password_maps = ....
[17:21:38] <mcphail> flami: thank you
[17:21:49] <flami> np
[17:22:23] <flami> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[17:22:35] <flami> that should cover your problem
[17:22:49] <mcphail> flami: thanks again. There is so much documentation out there it is hard to know where to look
[17:23:03] <flami> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
[17:23:11] <flami> this is more specific for your thing
[17:25:03] <flami> this is if you want to use TLS  : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html#client_tls
[17:25:43] <flami> the postfix documentation is quite good ^^
[17:26:06] <mcphail> yes :)
[17:28:29] <flami> If only everything had such a great documentation ^^
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[17:38:22] <mcphail> flami: thanks again. Working well!
[17:39:11] <flami> np
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[17:54:09] <ice> how can i mark spammails as read with maildrop? i use a maildroprc and move the Spam to $HOME/.Junk/ but it is then in the .new folder and i want it in the .cur folder
[17:55:29] <flami> Anyone has made some experience with greylisting? Im thinking of using it but Im not sure if its worth it .
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[18:12:37] <rob0> flami: Greylisting is useful, but not a panacea. Nowadays I think Zen (PBL) gets most of what greylisting would, so all you really get is the annoying delay on real mail.
[18:13:44] <flami> yes i use zen anyway ... the delay mail thing is what kept me from using it ( and i dont like annoying other servers )
[18:13:44] <rob0> Look at the rDNS on the spam you get. If it's largely from zombies in dynamic space, greylisting would help. If it's from static IP's, forget it.
[18:14:23] <flami> yeah :/ Im not sure I mean the spamsituation is dynamic :P
[18:14:43] <rob0> I haven't stopped using greylisting yet, but if I was setting up a new server I doubt I would use it.
[18:17:14] <flami> I dont run a huge server so spam doesnt eat critical performance or bandwith  and lots of it gets rejected from the blacklists and other rules , SA is far from beeing overloaded . I dont think greylisting would help that much for me .
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[18:17:41] <rob0> probably right
[18:18:33] <flami> its just that i saw a promo graphic that showed like 0 spam come through , bet i think thats a server that got bombarded from zombies etc
[18:18:53] <flami> (I dont trust anyone who promises like 800% less whatever )
[18:20:36] <rob0> ISTM since Zen/PBL went live, I get far less spam than before. Subjective, but it convinced me. :)
[18:24:28] <flami> ahh great to hear good stuff about zen ;P comforts me in my choice
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[18:38:47] <jduggan> wtf.
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[18:39:08] <flami> we need a bot ^^
[18:39:27] <flami> good ol fashioned eggdrop :P
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[19:08:55] <slacker403> why does postfix need db devel ?
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[19:36:01] <slacker403> i dont want to use no db's ..........why is it till requiring to have db-devel ?
[19:36:38] <jduggan> db-devel
[19:36:43] <jduggan> is berkely db
[19:36:47] <jduggan> i believ eit's a requirement
[19:36:51] <jduggan> for the hash tables
[19:37:13] <jduggan> newliases etc requires berkelydb
[19:37:17] <jduggan> newaliases*
[19:37:37] <jduggan> slacker403: why is it a big deal?
[19:37:48] <jduggan> slacker403: easy enough to install libdb?
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[19:52:51] <slacker403> jduggan: so its a requiremnt for postfix ?
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[19:57:43] <pergesu> I'm trying to set up postfix so that I can send email from my server...I've got courier-imap authenticating against a postgres database, so my imap is fine.  If I try to send email though, it rejects the password.  Here are the logs http://rafb.net/p/Yp2gaY23.html
[19:57:49] <pergesu> any ideas what the problem might be?
[19:58:36] <slacker403> im jus trying to keep my distro atm little as possible ...........and i dont plan on usng no DB for postfix so yea
[19:59:44] <rob0> ?
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[20:22:29] <coold22> hello
[20:22:41] <coold22> I'm using postfix with quotas but these are not working
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[20:24:48] <coold22> should I create a quota field on mysql or does it du -hs?
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[21:36:37] <Gokee2_Laptop> Hello all, I have been trying to figure out howto set up postfix to have virtual users.  I can`t seem to find anything on how to set this up without postgrea or mySQL....
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[21:37:37] <devdas> Gokee2_Laptop: the same way
[21:37:50] <devdas> google for the FreeBSD howto
[21:37:53] <devdas> that used text files
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[21:38:40] <Gokee2_Laptop> Ok
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[21:42:46] <FastJack> Gokee2_Laptop: have you read http://www.onlamp.com/lpt/a/6240 ?
[21:43:23] <Gokee2_Laptop> FastJack, No, that page looks great, thanks
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[21:48:11] <FastJack> I wonder if it is a good idea to use "argv=/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver -r ${sender} -m ${extension} ${recipient}". All documentation uses ${user} instead of ${recipient}. but this won't work with cyrus'es virtual domains
[21:50:12] <devdas> use ltmp!
[21:50:14] <devdas> lmtp!
[21:50:57] <FastJack> so using cyrdeliver is not recommended?
[21:56:36] <slacker403> is BerbDB neeeded for postfix ?
[21:57:34] <ek> slacker403: Not needed. No.
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[22:00:15] <slacker403> ek: why is it asking for db-devel then ????
[22:00:22] <slacker403> can i disable it ?
[22:00:23] <ek> slacker403: What system?
[22:00:27] <slacker403> nix
[22:00:34] <ek> Which nix?
[22:00:41] <slacker403> slack
[22:00:48] <ek> Yes. You can disable it.
[22:00:58] <slacker403> how ?
[22:00:59] <slacker403> :D
[22:01:00] <ek> ./configure --help should give you the information you need.
[22:01:16] <slacker403> when i downloaded the sources of it it ddint come with any configure file
[22:01:19] <slacker403> jus a make file
[22:02:11] <ek> Yeah. Sorry. I was thinking of something else..
[22:02:15] <ek> Read the INSTALL file.
[22:02:18] <ek> It mentions what you can do.
[22:02:40] <slacker403> i looked over it
[22:02:51] <slacker403> but i dont see how i cna disable it so i don't need it
[22:04:44] <ek> Do you plan on using any kind of mapping?
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[22:09:32] <slacker403> ek: mapping ???/
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[22:22:20] <FastJack> mhhh, where does postfix unsually expect to find the lmtp unix-socket?
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[22:28:26] <ek> slacker403: virtual_maps, recipient_maps, etc...
[22:28:34] <ek> transport_maps...
[22:28:55] <ek> FastJack: Path-wise?
[22:29:03] <FastJack> yeah
[22:29:23] <ek> Depends on the OS.
[22:30:10] <FastJack> some google finds point to something like /var/spool/postfix/public (on debian). does that sound reasonable?
[22:30:28] <slacker403> ek: lol i really dont know enough about how postfix works
[22:30:38] <slacker403> i jus need like doamins added :D
[22:30:45] <ek> slacker403: Virtual domains?
[22:30:53] <slacker403> ddsfds at domain1 dot com
[22:30:56] <slacker403> fdsfd at domain2 dot com
[22:31:00] <slacker403> etc etc
[22:31:03] <ek> Okay. You need BerkeleyDB then.
[22:31:08] <ek> You'll actually need quite a few things.
[22:31:17] <ek> BerkeleyDB isn't large though.
[22:31:21] <slacker403> so berk is 100 percent needed?
[22:31:29] <ek> FastJack: Possibly. I suppose it could be correct.
[22:31:30] <slacker403> i dont want no mysql or nothing though
[22:31:36] <ek> slacker403: Yes. 100% needed.
[22:31:44] <slacker403> do i need mysql ?
[22:32:14] <ek> Only if you are going to be housing information in SQL. Otherwise, there are other ways of hosting virtual domains/users with Postfix.
[22:33:12] <slacker403> i want the fasest / smallest :D
[22:34:01] <ek> How many domains do you plan on hosting?
[22:34:27] <slacker403> 10-50
[22:35:04] <Badunkadun1> How do you get BerkeleyDB?
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[22:37:17] <bkw> How do I list queued outgoing messages on my server running postfix?
[22:38:29] <ek> Badunkadun1: Depends on the system. apt-get install berkeleydb-devel, yum install berkeleydb-devel, something like that.
[22:38:51] <ek> slacker403: Honestly, I would recommend a complete virtual setup SQL then.
[22:39:17] <ek> Otherwise, you'll be using slower dbs to access information... Especially with 1000's of users.
[22:39:27] <ek> bkw: mailq
[22:40:03] <ek> showq
[22:40:06] <ek> postqueue -p
[22:40:13] <ek> I think all of those will work.
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[22:40:16] <slacker403> ek: i said 10-50
[22:40:46] <ek> 10-50 domains.
[22:40:47] <slacker403> but mysql is way slower then Berk
[22:41:00] <slacker403> 10-50 emails i meant
[22:41:03] <ek> slacker403: It depends on what it's accessing. And how large the databases get.
[22:41:06] <ek> Oh. Okay.
[22:41:13] <ek> BDB would be fine then.
[22:41:40] <slacker403> isnt BDB the fastest db ever ?
[22:42:17] <bkw> ek: it sais mailq empty, but from what I can read in my logs there's a outgoing mail that fails with intervals because the mailserver doesn't exist. how do I remove such email that is trying with intervals but never actually got sent?
[22:42:20] <ek> It's pretty damn fast. But, the way it houses databases can create speed issues once they get incredibly large.
[22:43:04] <ek> bkw: Are you using something like Amavisd?
[22:43:13] <bkw> ek: no I'm not
[22:43:17] <ek> Okay.
[22:43:28] <ek> I don't see why it wouldn't be listed in queue if hasn't been sent.
[22:43:52] <ek> bkw: Are you sure it hasn't finally given up and bounced the mail back to the sender?
[22:44:14] <slacker403> so how should i do it with the most little work ? :D
[22:44:18] <bkw> ek: http://pastebin.ca/428790
[22:45:29] <ek> slacker403: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[22:46:41] <ek> bkw: And postqueue -p doesn't show anything?
[22:46:42] <Badunkadun1> WHat's the point of the relay class?
[22:46:57] <slacker403> i jus want the fastest smallest and yet fast way :D
[22:47:00] <ek> Badunkadun1: To allow certain classes to relay?
[22:47:03] <slacker403> i know thier is tons of ways of doing things
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[22:47:20] <ek> slacker403: The page I just pointed out is going to be the most simple.
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[22:47:39] <Badunkadun1> No, relay is a lass
[22:47:42] <Badunkadun1> class
[22:47:50] <bkw> ek: http://pastebin.ca/428797
[22:48:40] <ek> Weird.
[22:48:47] <ek> I've never seen anything like that before...
[22:48:52] <ek> Badunkadun1: I haven't a clue.
[22:50:40] <bkw> so there's no way of deleting that so it doesn't continue trying? :(
[22:50:56] <ek> Well, there is. It's sloppy as all hell though.
[22:51:10] <ek> Shut down Postfix, manually delete it from the queue (the file) and restart Postfix.
[22:51:17] <ek> ... if you can find it in the queue anyway.
[22:52:21] <ek> FastJack: Oh. Try: /var/spool/postfix/private (That's where my lmtp socket is)
[22:52:34] <ek> ... or /path/to/spool/postfix/private
[22:52:49] <ek> I didn't fully understand your question.. Sorry. I mis-read it.
[22:53:45] <bkw> ek: which queue are you talking about?
[22:54:00] <ek> bkw: The directory that houses the messages.
[22:54:15] <ek> /var/spool/postfix/deferred is probably where it will be.
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[22:56:25] <bkw> ek: there are 0-F(hex?) directories.. are there any hint about where I should search?
[22:56:55] <ek> bkw: It'll house it in one of the directories..
[22:57:00] <ek> ls -al *
[22:57:06] <ek> Should show you what's in each directory.
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[22:57:36] <ek> If there are lots of files (There shouldn't be if the queue is empty), you might want to use the "find" utility to search through each one for a certain address or whatnot.
[22:59:20] <|7hs|> "postfix/smtpd: warning: xsasl_cyrus_server_get_mechanism_list: no applicable SASL mechanisms" does anyone know the cause of this? i thought it was because cyrus-sasl wasn't compiled with PAM support, but I just recompiled it with that
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[23:00:08] <ek> |7hs|: Check your smtpd.conf file. What mechanisms is it using?
[23:00:41] <|7hs|> mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5
[23:02:08] <ek> Do you have support for -md5 authentication? If not (or you're not sure) you can safely remove those from the list.
[23:02:23] <bkw> ek: Nothing in any of the directories
[23:02:40] <ek> bkw: Check the other queue-type directories.
[23:02:47] <ek> defer, hold, etc...
[23:03:40] <bkw> is it possible to search for some id?
[23:03:45] <bkw> the message id
[23:04:52] <ek> Well, the easiest way to do it would be to search for something a file contains..
[23:04:57] <ek> IE: www-data@
[23:05:06] <ek> man f ind
[23:05:13] <ek> Erm..
[23:05:14] <ek> find*
[23:05:17] <ek> It's easy to use.
[23:05:26] <bkw> hm, nothing found in any of the mentioned dirs
[23:06:10] <ek> What about flush, corrupt, bounce, active, etc?
[23:06:27] <ek> If they're all empty, just restart postfix... Maybe it is gone. *shrug*
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[23:35:26] <bkw> ek: http://pastebin.ca/428856
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